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Episode 389 - Bigger than a Breadbox · TechtalkRadio

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The following program is produced by the tech Talk Radio Network. Hey, and
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you're listening to TikTok Radio. Welcome to another episode of tech Talk Radio.
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I'm Andy Taylor, I'm I'm Matt Jones, and I'm Justin Leme. Welcome.
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Good to have you all here. I know that Sean had a great
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question for you, justin Justin, why were you driving your Tesla wearing a
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vision pro? Oh wow, okay, First off, I would never be
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caught dead wearing a vision prou. Second off, it's not my test that's
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my wife's tesla, so haha, jokes on you. So if you if
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people haven't seen the news this week, right the Apple vision Pro, there
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are videos of people driving their self driving Tesla's on the freeway while engaging with
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the vision pro. So it's it's I'm not shocked that it has to be
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said. We don't be that person, Like, come on, we asked
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you. Humanity hit our peak in like the year nineteen ninety five. At
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this point, it's just all downhill from here. In the nineties, Bill
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Ingvall, who got really famous during the Blue Collar Comedy Tour, the original
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bit was here's your sign, and he was like I think we should just
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take all the warning signs off all the products and let humanity sort itself out.
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And when I was a kid, I was like, Brah, that's
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terrible. As an adult, I'm like, let's go, let's do it.
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Yeah, yeah, I am here for it. I believe in it.
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Like wearing a Vision Pro while in a car on a freeway and they're
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like, oh, it's a self driving part. Yeah, well, how
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many car crashes have we seen on YouTube? That is Darwinism by choice in
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action? And we're gonna see a Darwin Award of Well. Phil was on
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his Vision Pro during his drive from LA to Seattle with his self driving Tesla
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and plowed straight into the back of a semi. This Vision Pro is it's
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it's interesting. Maybe once a millennia they come out with an actual innovative product,
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and this is not actually one of them. I mean they've literally gone
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dude, They've literally pitybacked off of Meta and and and HTC and all the
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other makers of all these headsets that have been out for let's say what ten
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fifteen years. It does easy, it does something a little different than the
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Meta. But to justify six ninety nine versus thirty nine to ninety nine or
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whatever the heck this costume. I haven't tried it. I haven't put a
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pair on yet, so it's it's unfair for me to number one jump into
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their corner or go on the opposite side. Matt, you said you saw
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something earlier, right, Well, disclosure. As we've just discussed, before
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I worked for Apple, there was a time I was so deep into that
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tech ecosystem that coming out of it was a nightmare. I have wanted to
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hate. I've wanted to hate this product, like since it was announced.
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And then this dude post stood a video to Reddit and he was like,
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for everyone hating on this, like, I'm not this isn't an ad,
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I'm just showing you how I use it in my day to day and he
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pumped out his output. So, sitting at his little tiny desk, he's
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got these three massive spatial monitors, and then he turns to the right and
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where there's this huge blank wall. He's got like one hundred and twenty inch
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you know, simulated TV screen over by his stove. He's got a YouTube
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cooking video going floating above the stove while he's got dinner going. And I'm
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just looking at this and I'm like, I want to hate this so flippin'
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much. And then I saw that video and I was like, ah,
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dag nab it, I really want that. I was like, ah ah,
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there's a dirty taste in my mouth. Yeah, because I was out
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visiting my parents a couple weeks back and my mom got my dad the Medaquest
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three for a surprise Christmas call. So I was helping set that up,
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and I was using like the augmented reality that the vision uses for the spatial
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computing and everything, and the difference between the output. This guy showed the
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absolute like clarity of all the other stuff that was going on around you versus
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the Quest three. It wasn't even it. It's it's not even a contest.
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You're talking about the pass through, right, yeah, the paths through?
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Wow? Thank you Sean. That's right. Yeah, the Oculus really
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does not do good pass through. No, the pass through it was it's
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like comparing an old CRT TV with rabbit ears to like a Sony O lead
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screen like and and I've got the Quest too, so mine like is black
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and white and super fuzzy the three. You know, Yeah, the past
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through is better there's better. There's actually color, which, hey, that's
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nice, and things were a bit sharper. But then you look at you
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know, what Apple's put out, and it's just crystal clear, and it's
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like you're looking through a pair of sunglasses, right, It's just slightly smoked
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glass. And I was just like, I hate how much I want that,
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but not enough to buy the other Mac products that I would need.
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Now I'm wondering about that. Okay, so you get the vision, you
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get the the this do you have to have a Mac or or an iPad
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to be able to use this? I saw some dude walking through the streets,
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like in a crosswalk, wearing these with the cable going to the iPhone
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in his pocket. Dude stops in the middle of the cross just like reaches
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up and like opens up a screen like this, And I was like,
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well, bro, hold on, I don't know. I don't think it's
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connected to his iPhone. I've heard that it's connected to an external battery pack.
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Because the the vision pro itself, all of that space that's in it
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is all of the computing power, they didn't have a place to put the
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battery, so they had to tether it to like a backpack in your pocket.
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So I think that you can use this without any other Apple products.
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It can't be used as a standalone. It has its own standalone mptwo process
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are built in, so you can't use it. So likely what you saw,
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I mean he might have had a phone also, but he likely had
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the battery pack, which is a tethered piece. Because it's bequre, it's
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quite a bit of power. That makes more sense. But also I'd like
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to circle back to that one thing of him using it in the middle of
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a crosswalk. Yeah, oh yeah, I saw that. You know.
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He's like, he's like going like this as he stops for a second,
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thinks about it, keeps walking like that. I'm like, you are going
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to get turned into a pancake. You know. It's like the It's like
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the epidemic that happened when people got their phones. We're texting all times,
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just staring at their phones. Now, it's just they could be looking up.
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You know, they might not be looking down at their phone, but
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they're not going to be looking at their surroundings. To be looking at whatever
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vr environment they're in the other one, think about this, Remember when Pokemon
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became the big thing. People were pom Go Pokemon Go. People were walking
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into people's backyards. They were just not not respecting anybody's you know, space,
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just to go after these creatures on their phone. It was huge because
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people forgot their common sense. People forgot their common sense. But it was
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the last time that the entire population was happy. Yeah, well, so,
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so here's the Lenny story. You mentioned that, right, because you
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mentioned like justice, like the downfall of humanity was in their nineties. There
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are a lot of stories and conspiracies if you want to say that, say
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twenty sixteen was the last time that the populate, the world population was truly
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happy, and then from there it was just a downcline decline. Wow,
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kind of makes you wonder, huh. But now could vision be bringing it
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back? Well, okay, so I gotta I gotta give a shout out
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real quick once again to the Simpsons. Like I'm talking about the cartoon TV
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show that's been on Fox for what the past forty years, thirty eight years
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something like that. They predicted the Apple's vision pro eight years ago, just
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like they've predicted a lot of other things. People always tie it in and
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say, well the Simpsons did it first, maybe Apples stealing from the Simpsons,
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because there is a very convincing clip on The Simpsons that looks exactly like
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half of these videos that Sean and Matt are talking about where people are doing
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stupid things with their vision pros, which is probably the search that you would
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type into YouTube to see some of these, right, people doing stupid things
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with vision pro. But just look up the Simpsons Apple vision Pro. Look
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up that Simpsons Apple vision Pro. You'll see the video. Time dot Com
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has a list of all of the things that the Simpsons have predicted back starting
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in nineteen eighty five that have come true. Yes, isn't there like a
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conspiracy theory that the writer of the Simpson the writer's group of the Simpsons just
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like came back in time and that's why they're able to prop Yeah, I've
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actually heard, yes, I've heard that. I've heard that, Yes,
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that they are actually time traveler. Wow, imagine that all right now,
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just think about this though, the possibilities and I know this is weird and
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this is so big brother utopian society. But with the vision pro technology,
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somebody gets a one bedroom apartment, you know, they can't afford much they
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you know, your base on your furniture is going to be cheap. Blah
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blah blah. You get the Vision Pro, you move into your new paid
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it's fully decorated, You've got that big TV you want, You've got all
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of the furniture that you you would want to use around the house, artwork
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on the wall, all because you're wearing the vision Pro headset. Could that
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be the future? There was there was a book about this. It was
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called Ready Player One. I just watched that movie again because it just came
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back on that book yesterday. It was one of my favorite books. The
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second book was a mediocre, but it just shows a dystopia society in the
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you know, the twenty one hundreds. Actually, the very first sentence in
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the book was my story takes place in Oklahoma City and twenty two, twenty
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twenty three. That was that was last year. Yeah, well that was
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the first line of the book. As soon as I heard that, I
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was like, Okay, I'm gonna listen to the rest of this book because
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this is hitting pretty close to home. Well, I'm wondering now, Justin
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and I want to get too far off for the Vision Pro. Do you
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have an Apple store near you? Downtown somewhere. Both both you and Matt
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could take a trip and try these on and see what you think about it.
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Would you do it? Nope, you have no desire. I would
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not be caught dead in an Apple store. I'm sorry. No, really,
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what if if no Matt buys one, then I'll go over to his
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house and try it. I'll go back. It's fine, I'll do it.
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You'll do it, you'll buy one. I mean I'm gonna buy one.
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My wife would take it and beat me to death with it. No
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quite a bit of money. Yeah, there's two that are easy drive for
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me. So I'll go try and go check one out this weekend, assuming
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we don't get slapped with a snowstorm like we did last weekend. Right,
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and then it's super Bowl weekend. You imagine having these Super Bowl weekend being
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able to watch it. Now, you're not gonna be able to watch all
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content with these already embedded into them. I know that is it. Netflix
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is not going to be a part of it. I believe that they're they're
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the ones saying that they weren't. But there's gonna be other choices that will
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be Like, there's gonna be lots of apps, so you want to play
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a game or you want to obviously Apple Store is going to be the huge
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one. Yeah, you'll be able to access some of this stuff within the
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Vision pro Again, if we have we actually have an Apple store near us
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Law on Cantata, you could go in there, I guess and try these.
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I don't know if the Apple store is at best Buy, because you
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know, you have the store within a store, if they're going to be
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doing it, Match shaking his head, No, you don't think so.
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That's that's a completely separate division than the Apple retail stores. I also worked
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at best Buy that had an Apple store, and that they're a completely different
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division than those two. And they you usually don't have a lot of the
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super fancy, you know, brand new bell and whistle stuff like that,
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because they want to sell it primarily in the Apple stores. First they give
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you the Apple experience. They want to give you that in store experience first,
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and then later it'll get farmed out to best Buy to sell if you
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don't mind. I you know, we're talking about the future here, right
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and I you know, we're all talking about Apple TV or this Apple Vision
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pros and the Apple TV, Apple Vision pro and yes, it definitely ties
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into that kind of that ready Player one aspect. I get that. But
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another story that was kind of going around was that as of was it last
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week? I think it was what is the name of the company even but
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the neuralink? Is it the Neuralink company? Yeah, that's yeah, Neuralink,
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Yeah, yeah, exactly one of the Elon musk did. They implanted
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the first brain computer chip into a human's brain and the person is doing Okay.
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So this is going to be interesting because you know, I was reading
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about this earlier and they were saying that, you know, as of right
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now, they did a big, huge survey and they set around eight percent
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of the people would be willing to do a neural implant. And they're thinking
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that if this goes successful, twenty thirty years from now, we're going to
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look back and say, wow, only eight percent of people actually wanted this.
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This is amazing. Now I'm gonna ask you guys, each one of
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you, would you, guys do a neural implant ill it allowed you to
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do things like speak any language you wanted on demand, basically understand any type
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of topic you want. I mean, obviously, I'm sure these these would
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all come at a potential price point. But to understand any topic or to
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cure a physical or a mental disease, would any any of you get an
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implant? No. No, can't give you a straight yes or no on
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that, because I mean it's I hate to be like, they're both sides.
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But there are definite benefits, but I also have serious concerns. So
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would I be an early adopter to it? No, I would tell me,
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tell me that the dude is doing fine after the first firm More update.
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Let's see how he's doing after the first Fermore update. Yeah, yeah,
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yeah, no, his brain. Yeah, it's like every other piece
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of technology. You always wait for the other people to figure out the problems
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first before you dial in. Yeah. No, I I used to be
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an early adopter for stuff in like if if somebody, oh, I learned
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my lesson the hard way. But if somebody is like, I'm gonna put
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this chip in your brain and it's gonna help regulate your ADHD, it's gonna
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help take care of your chronic low neurotransmitters, and your depression and anxiety are
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going to be gone, that is a huge selling point. But I also
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like, your your brain is in terms of like marketing is the final frontier.
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It is the last truly safe place you've got to be with your own
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thoughts, do your own thing. And now you're putting a potential gateway to
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get into that. So yes and no. I've also played a lot of
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Cyberpunk twenty seventy seven, and I've seen just what you can do with malicious
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intent to somebody with a neural implant. I did it to them. It
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didn't end well for them. No, I get what you're saying. Cyberpunk
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twenty seventy seven video game. That's that's an interesting way you're putting it.
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Now. However, let me ask you. If you were a person who
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was born with a spinal injury and you've never been able to walk, You've
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been in a wheelchair your whole life. If they came to you and said
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we can cure this nervous you know, this nervous system disorder, and we
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can have you can walk again, you you wouldn't do it. I mean,
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that's it's more for Andy and Sean. Really, I was like,
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that's a completely different I could ask. I could ask one of my best
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friends who was born with super Bowls You can't walk, right, I should
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ask him that, right, would you do this? I don't know what
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he would say, right, because he's lived so long and he wouldn't even
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say he's disabled. He just has a different ability, right, because he
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treats it this is this hit, this is it. This is who he
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is and how he how he is, And I don't know if he would
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do it. I don't know. I tell you if if you want to
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talk to your buddy, and we can circle back on this next week.
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If you want to talk to your buddy. My my sister is legally blind
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and her her vision issue is a sort of neurological disorder that causes her to
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have no control over the buying motor control of your eyes. It's called congenital
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motoris stagnus. So like when your eyes do that random bouncy thing, imagine
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that always and forever. Right, So if you want to talk to your
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buddy, I'll call and talk to my sister and we can circle back next
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week. And that'd just be a good external viewpoint. And yeah, like
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you said, it's how are we supposed to frase it? Now? They're
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not disabled, they're just differently al Yeah, yes, yeah, No,
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I get that. Yeah, absolutely, I agree with that. But Andy,
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you were just kind of mentioning. You said something like it was it's
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just too vague or something for you, or you still wouldn't your question is
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vague. I don't think it's fair to ask because I'm not facing that,
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and I think that that is something that somebody who is facing that could seriously
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answer that. Me myself, I'm not facing that, so right now that's
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hard. Yeah, it's not fair to ask that question of you. No,
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I get ye, and I'm glad that that's why maybe Sean and Matt
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might reach out to you know, their their friends and family and find out,
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you know, see what they would say. But I think as a
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person myself, I would I don't know. I just I'm interested in it.
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I'm I'm interested because although I'm not facing any type of you know,
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uh, health issues, uh you know, knock on wood or whatever here.
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But my wife is Japanese, right, she speaks Japanese. I don't
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speak Japanese. And I always said if I had the ability to do,
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before I ever heard about this neuralink thing, my thought was going back to,
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what's the move? Oh my gosh, maybe so long and thanks for
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all The Fishiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Yeah, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
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where he puts the little alien in his ear and all of a sudden he
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can understand Yeah yeah, the Battlefish where he can understand any language. Right.
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I thought, Oh my god, if I could do that, I
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could, If I could just like have something put in my brain that I
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could instantly understand Japanese and be able to speak with her family and her friends
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and well and her in that language. I think that would be so cool.
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Now. I know that's not exactly what the neuralink is designed for.
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It's it currently is designed for health benefits. But eventually, if you could
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do that, and you could just be like, you know what, I'm
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gonna pay ten thousand dollars, bam, here you go, and now I'm
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a native and eat speaker. Bam. I'm just excited to know that.
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Now I know where Babelfish comes from. Where the term? Yeah yeah yeah.
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The company that did never software Battlefish. Yeah yeah, all right,
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we do have a listener questions, so let's get to one of these before
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we have to go to break. This is from Loretta in Green Valley said,
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it's about time to replace my printer. Actually, it died a few
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months ago, and I've been asking my neighbor to print things when I need
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them. I told him I needed to get one. He was telling me
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to get an EPs and tankless printer that does color and saves money. My
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kids are all grown up. I don't print in color. Do I really
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need to do that? What are your thoughts on the type of printer I
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should absolutely not just the one that I've got that's been great and it was
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like a hundred bucks. Is it's just a simple brother black and white laser
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printer. Yes, it's like the size of two bread boxes, which I
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don't know why we still use as a measuring increment because no one uses bread
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boxes. But but no, it's it's simple. I don't have it cooked
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up, hardwired to anything but power. It connects to my WiFi. I
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can print from any computer in the house. I can print from any mobile
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device that's on the Wi Fi. And it's a laser printer. I haven't
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had to replace that cartridge in the five years that I've had it. Yeah,
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the other downside you have to think about, you know, if she
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if she looks at now tankless that are gonna be a little different. Those
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are great. If you've got kids, you're printing a lot of color,
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those are are are good. However, if you're not printing a lot and
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you get an ink jet, the problem is you don't print a lot.
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Maybe you go once every month. What's gonna happen over time is the claw
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the heads on that that inkjet could clog and then you have to go through
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a cleaning process and sometimes you'll have to take it. You'll have to take
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it somewhere. I've got a kit, but I do it myself. But
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you you could run into that. So really, laser is going to be
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I think the most cost effective way, and I think you nailed it on
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a head. Brother is great as some of the laser printers they make.
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There are no frills, no extra fanciness, nothing that you have to oh,
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you have to pay extra, unlocked dec It's just a straight up laser
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printer. Brother has been fantastic for that for like a decade. I also
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like the fact, Matt that they're super easy to set up. Now I'm
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wondering, Sean. Sean, you've mentioned in the past about HP and why
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you're you're not that big a fan of their business model. Why can you
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tell us why they are going to a subscription model. They have already subscription
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model for Inc. Meaning you pay fifteen nine a month and they ship you
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ink when you need it, so you print five hundred pages a month or
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whatever or toner whatever. But if you cancel your subscription, your printer will
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no longer work. What or if you decide you don't want to use HP
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Inc. Your printer will no longer work. Wow, that's not good.
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We're bound to buy the subscription to use your printer. Soon enough, they're
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gonna just mail you a printer and say you pay us eight ninety nine a
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month to print. If you don't want to print anymore, it just doesn't
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work. We have a paperweight. Now. I kind of wonder how that's
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gonna work with older because I have got I'll be honestly, I've gotten eleven
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zero two an HP and I love it. It's a laser printer. It
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works great, it works well. It's why you know I can print from
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the home, I could print from the cloud. And again, it's older,
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it's at least from about twenty twelve. I would say still works today.
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I just you don't replace the ink when I need it. Maybe I'm
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the newer generation HPS they're doing something like that, which is a shame because
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everybody hates the subscription. We don't need that, you know. Another good
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point to remember too, when you're buying a printer, whether you're buying a
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retail you're buying through you know, an online store, when you get that
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printer, it's generally gonna be a base amount of toner or even if you're
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buying ink of ink, just enough to get you up and running. If
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you're printing a lot right off the bat, remember that you might want to
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get a backup toner cartridge or in cartridges. I personally actually have an HP
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laser printer. I've got a color laser HP printer. We got it at
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Costco. It was it was a massive Costco discount. I mean I think
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we got I think it was like three hundred and fifty bucks whatever, and
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it came with the starter you know toner cartridges. So I obviously have the
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black, and then I have the magenta, yellow and cyon right, which
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is makes up all the colors. Once I ran out of those toners,
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I bought one of those non HP ones. But but but it comes Here's
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the thing this is this is where you get interesting because it comes with like
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a tool to rip the circuit or the computer chip out of the original HP
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cartridge and tells you to insert it into the replacement cartridge. And that's how
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you can confuse the HP printer into thinking that it's an HP authentic cartridge.
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It does kind of work. I mean it works, but like every time
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I print, the HP's like, hey, your toner's low on ink or
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you're I mean sorry, your printer's low on toner. I'm like, no,
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I'm not. I've got a lot of toner. But the chip had
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it last recorded written to it that said toner is low. So when you
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use an aftermarket ink or toner, you're gonna get that same error. Now
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with the quality of that aftermarket I'll just say this, when next time I
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have to buy toner, I'm gonna buy official HP. It works, but
24:45
it sucks, and I hate the idea of HP doing the subscription model,
24:49
but unfortunately that's where they're going. But to answer her question, I would
24:53
agree with John and Matt and you Andy the Brother, the brother printer is
24:59
amazing. The laser laser jet, Yeah, well the term laser jet actually
25:03
is something that HP owns. That matter of fact, my first like my
25:08
first laser was the laser jet HP laser Jet four, which I love.
25:15
But oh my gosh, it was I want to say, when you just
25:18
started our graphics business, it was right around one thousand dollars you know.
25:22
Now, I mean you get a good laser printer like the Brother, but
25:26
that, yes, laser jet is something that's owned by HP. Laser Yeah,
25:30
laser printer black and white. You don't need to print in color.
25:33
And they're like you said, Matt, you said they were like under under
25:37
two hundred bucks. Like right. I even went into my Amazon purchase history
25:41
to look this up. It is. I got the Brother Compact monochrome laser
25:47
printer. The model is h L DASH L two three five zero d W
25:52
for duplex and wireless, so it is a duplex printer. It can print
25:56
on both sides automatically, and it was one hundred and fifty bucks. Wow,
26:02
that's a great deal. Now, I want our listeners to understand something
26:07
from an IT guys perspective. If you think you hate printers, your level
26:14
of hatred for printers hails in comparison for the utter hate, disdain, loathing,
26:22
and rage. I feel for them. Can I get it? Hang
26:26
man, It does not matter how new they are, what has changed.
26:33
Printers are always the devil of it. And I love this printer. There
26:38
you go. That says a lot for Loretta. There you go, brother,
26:41
laser printer might be your best solution. We can take another quick break.
26:45
Come back. We've got more questions, more stuff about what's happening in
26:48
the world of tech. I'm ADYE. Taylor, I'm Sean de Weird,
26:51
I'm Matt Jones, and I'm justin. Let me find us on the web
26:53
tech talk radio dot com. We'll be right back and now back to tech
26:57
talk Radio. So in the last segment, we were talking about if you
27:02
had the neurallink implanet, like if you had a disability or you were blind
27:06
or deaf or something, and that it could enhance your ability or give you
27:10
those opportunities to walk or do things like that. I have a buddy who
27:14
I've know my literally my entire life. We're the same age, our dads
27:17
were best friends. He was born with super palsy, so he's never been
27:21
able to walk or use most of his lower limbs, basically paralyzed in the
27:23
waist downright. And I texted him, I said, hey, this is
27:26
what we're talking about. What do you think? He says, get really
27:30
gets it shortly, so he sent me a novel in Texas. He said,
27:33
you know, it's intriguing, you know, to be able to do
27:37
all those things that he's dreamed about doing that he's seen other people do,
27:41
et cetera. But he said, thirty seven years with this disability, I
27:45
don't think he would change all those memories he's had in those three seven years.
27:51
He likes to look at the challenge as a different ability, not a
27:53
disability. And then when one door closes, another opens and it's his choice
27:59
to walk through that door. Except and then in high school it was very
28:02
very like eye opening for him, like, yeah, I'm not going to
28:04
be the All star quarterback. But he did a lot of stuff in high
28:07
school. He was in the marching band and stuff like that. But he
28:10
also used that to pursue an opportunity in wheelchair tennis and basketball and has has
28:18
has competed nationally and regionally at a semi professional level of those things. So
28:22
he's you know, he says, who would have thought or drum like that
28:26
was possible for something somebody like him. Wow. So yeah, he's he's
28:30
very humble about it, And that's the answer. I was expecting to be
28:32
honest, just because I've known him for so long. But it'd be interesting
28:36
that, you know, Matt said he has a friend or his sister,
28:37
and I'd be interesting to see what she says too. But you know,
28:41
your minds may vary, right, everybody's going to have a different opinion on
28:44
it. True. Interesting, I'll check with her, but I have a
28:47
feeling it's going to be right along the same lines. I mean, I
28:51
can tell you that there were multiple summers that we went and there were competitions
28:56
for visually impaired people, and it was you know, you were still going
29:00
to win gold, silver, bronze. They actually, uh it was horizon
29:06
before they were a verizon too far back, getting it getting in the weeds
29:12
with that, they created a sport called beep ball for visuallypaarent and legally blind.
29:18
For those who don't know what that sport is, I think kind of
29:22
like t ball, like you've got somebody at first, second, shortstop,
29:26
third base, but it's like the mother of all softballs. And when you
29:33
take a pin out of the softball, it starts beeping this real high pitch
29:37
beep, and you'd whack the ball. Now, the people out in the
29:40
field would obviously have a sighted person with them, so you know, they
29:44
didn't get like drilled with a line drive because they're not going to see it
29:47
coming. And you'd whack this ball, and then the umpire would call either
29:52
first or third and at first or third base, they'd have a traffic cone
29:56
and they'd flick a switch on it and it emits a high pitched tone and
30:00
you'd run towards that noise. And if you pass the cone before somebody managed
30:06
to come to find and pick up the beat ball, that was a run.
30:10
If they picked it up beforehand, that was an out. And some
30:14
of the friendships that she made, connections, experiences, things that came with
30:19
that, I honestly, I don't know if she would if she would give
30:25
that up. I think, Sean, it's gonna be kind of right along
30:29
the same lines. You know. It's just like even the experiences that I
30:32
had with him growing up, I understood he couldn't do certain things right,
30:34
but that didn't change anything about our friendship. It's just those types of interactions
30:40
change you as a person. So how would he be as a human now,
30:45
you know what I mean? It's like you don't know. Yeah,
30:48
no, no, I get it, and then it makes a lot of
30:49
sense. All right, I've got a little question for you here. See
30:52
if you guys give me the year. Patrick Mahomes was six years old when
30:56
Tom Brady won his first Super Bowl. When Brady was six, you go
31:02
back to Tom Brady's age now, Chrysler introduced their very first minivan. Any
31:07
of you ever have a minivan? Yeah, McDonald's the Windstar Star. Yeah.
31:18
McDonald's debuted McNuggets and it was considered to be the year the birth of
31:22
the Internet. That's when Tom Brady was six. What year do you think
31:26
it was? Eighty three? Matt nailed it. Yeah, really eighty three.
31:33
Yeah. Oh, actually, how much older than I am? That's
31:37
right, Yeah, nineteen eighty three for that, eighty three. And of
31:41
course tomorrow, you know, the show airs on Saturday tomorrow, of course
31:45
the big day for that, and a lot of people talking about, you
31:48
know, where they're going to catch their sports and whatnot, and apparently some
31:51
big announcement was made this week, Sean, you had the infall on that.
31:55
Oh no, so everybody knows it's Super Bowl Sunday, right, everyone's
31:59
gonna go Super Bowl. They're gonna watch it somewhere on the Big Game.
32:02
You can't say you can't say super Bowl because the NFL owns that. No,
32:08
here's on the Super super Will I will let you guys in on this.
32:14
You can say super Bowl in reference to the game. You cannot say
32:19
it when you're referring to a promotion or sale, like it's like thor Dash
32:22
with their promotion. They can't call it even though it's running during Super Bowl.
32:29
They can't call it the the big you know, super Bowl sweepstakes because
32:34
they're selling something. Yes, so we can talk about it if you're just
32:37
simply you're reporting on it, you're talking about Super Bowl, you know.
32:43
And it's so funny because over the years the lawyers at big radio stations have
32:46
gotten really concerned about that and told everybody just to call it the Big Game,
32:51
which, you know, come on, so everybody knows the Big Game
32:55
is here, Well, now he wants to say it. Everybody knows they're
33:00
gonna watch it. Somewhere, whether it's TV on a streaming service, YouTube,
33:05
TV, you name it, right, You're going to watch the big
33:07
game somewhere. Yes, this, we've theory crafted this for many episodes.
33:15
Streaming services are just going to become cable. Yeah, oh yeah. Well,
33:21
as of February sixth, ESPN, Fox, and Warner Brothers Discovery have
33:30
combined to form a joint sports streaming service. Okay, bloody called it.
33:37
Let's let's talk about what that entails. Okay, you mentioned ESPN, right,
33:42
that's Disney, right ESPN. Then you got Fox you said, so
33:45
that's a Fox Sports like Fox Sports one, two, three, whatever.
33:50
Right, Then you've got Okay, now here's the one Warner Brothers Discovery.
33:53
What does that entail? That entails TNT, TBS and and other networks that
34:00
will offer a comprehensive package that includes the NFL, NBA, MLB, and
34:06
NHL. Wow, but you're getting like TN, T TVs. I mean
34:09
those are big ones from Warner Discovery. So this is just the beginning,
34:15
right, but it's gonna take another five to six years. Wait, but
34:19
you're going to you're going to see it all encompassing sports package, right because
34:22
you have you have MS who just signed an Apple TV deal. Yeah for
34:28
MS and whatever, FIFA or whatever. It's all on Apple TV. So
34:34
this is the first of many, and this, this archetype is going to
34:37
be It's it's what it is, right, everybody hates there's all these streaming
34:42
services. Bring them all back to one, and everybody's gonna pay a buttload
34:45
of money to have them all in one place again, just like cable,
34:51
and people are then gonna complain about the price. Okay, yes, I
34:53
agree with everything you just said, but let's take this back to what nineteen
34:59
seventy nine. There were guys probably sitting around the table talking about this exact
35:04
thing that they're gonna say. Oh my god, there's a new TV channel
35:07
that's gonna have all of the sports on one TV channel. They're gonna call
35:13
it. Chex's notes E sp N. Is this the birth of a new
35:20
ESPN? Yeah, I don't know. They haven't named it. All three
35:22
of them said this is gonna be I bet she's gonna be called ESPN plus
35:25
plus. Disney's gonna throw an extra couple billion at it and be like,
35:30
yeah, just why it is a plus super It's it's getting crazy and I
35:38
actually looked into that this week because I was thinking, maybe I want to
35:43
cut back on my cable bill is enormous. I mean it's seriously, it's
35:47
what I would pay for a car payment, just not even ten years ago.
35:52
Uh. And I'm I'm looking at I'm thinking, Okay, maybe it's
35:54
time to just really back off. I got the fast Internet. I don't
35:59
get the internet like you guys get yet I'm paying a premium. Uh.
36:02
And then I was looking on all the channels I get it. I'm like,
36:05
okay, I watch four channels, maybe on a constant basis, but
36:08
I got to have my local. And I looked at seth, I looked
36:13
at the dish. I wanted to see, Okay, the same thing.
36:15
It's the same thing when you look at it. Yeah, it's the same
36:19
thing no matter what. Cable satellite. That's why they call it cable satellite.
36:22
Yeah, it's like it's grouped into one. Yeah, and it's you
36:24
know, I understand licensing. I understand how that works, but it's it's
36:29
getting frustrating. It really agreed. Because there's what's happening to cable satellite.
36:32
They're they're losing their subscribers and so the only way to keep them afloat and
36:37
keep their shareholders happy is to raise prices on the rest of the customers,
36:40
which then in turn makes them cancel, and then they raise the prices for
36:45
everybody else. It's just it's going to be a never ending vicious cycle,
36:49
right exactly. And now that we've talked about the game, how many cameras
36:55
the entire so think of the whole the whole Super Bowl as as an experience
37:00
right right, every side show, every little film event they're doing. How
37:07
many cameras across all of that do you think are involved? You're gonna let
37:12
us guess each one of us. Yeah, I can do, Yeah,
37:14
I guess, Andy, what do you think? How many cameras do you
37:15
think? I would say fifteen, because you have the air, you have
37:20
an area of the drone, you have you have the ones through all stages
37:24
of the stadium, and then of course I would you include the one in
37:29
the blimp. Oh yeah, so this is ques think of it like,
37:32
think of it like the pregame show, game day, like every not not
37:37
just the game itself, but all not just inside the stadium, all the
37:40
extra outside the stadium too. Okay, Alicia doesn't open up, does it?
37:45
No, do you want to alter your answer? Andy? No,
37:47
I'm gonna say fifteen. Okay, I'm gonna say two and fifty Matt,
37:53
So I was gonna go with the two hundred range, and then I remember
37:58
that this is the first year that the game is going to be played in
38:01
Vegas, so I'm going to go with two thy sixty three. No,
38:08
that's that's a lot. Wow. Wow, there's there's always that one Jude
38:13
that goes for one dollar on the price is right. I was just doing
38:16
that. But the other direction, can you have, Andy, might be
38:21
closer? Oh gosh, alright? Really? So the CBS put out by
38:24
the by the number spreadsheet, all right, and for all of their stuff
38:30
for their entire breakdown, one hundred and sixty five cameras. Wow, that's
38:35
five. Yeah, it's twenty four cameras that are native four K, so
38:39
the ability to have that a four K video and then punch into a ten
38:44
eighty a ten eighty P image like as a zoom man. Yeah. Six
38:49
six cameras in each of the uprights, right, twenty four robotic cameras,
38:54
twenty pylon cameras, twenty three cameras that are capable to do it augmented reality,
39:00
five skycams, three drones, five cinema cameras for depth of field shots
39:07
like the ones they had run in the en zones. Six cameras around the
39:10
strip. Forty nine replay machines, so the forty nine operators running replays.
39:16
Wow, six hundred record channels of replay, so they'll be able to bring
39:21
in six hundred channels of different things all time time. They'll have nineteen individual
39:27
individual mobile trucks for production. Wow. Amazing, that's insane. If you
39:31
want to read the breakdown on this, I put a link it'll be up
39:35
on the website, but it's a full breakdown of the individual types of cameras,
39:38
the cost. I think it's something of like fourteen million dollars worth of
39:43
production equipment. Wow. Alright, easily another quick break. We'll come back
39:46
with a question that we've had sent into the show. You can send yours
39:50
in tech Guys at tech talk radio dot com. You can also x us
39:54
at tech talk Radio. Now back to Chief Talk Radio, going back with
40:00
a question from Dale, and it's good timing on this being that this is
40:04
the weekend. Dale in Phoenix listens to US online so thank you Dale.
40:07
We appreciate that. Thank you Dale. Dale says he has friends coming over
40:12
for a Super Bowl party. His TV is super dirty, and he says,
40:16
I swear I've not been tossing food at it. Lies. Lies,
40:22
He says, How do I clean it? What is the best way to
40:24
clean the television? Step one, don't use wind decks, really, do
40:30
not use window The ammonia is going to ruin it. The ammonia is going
40:34
to destroy your TV. Don't bother spending money on the cleaning kits. You
40:40
get a good microfiber towel. You put some water on it and just kind
40:45
of like gently make sure the water is there in the microfiber. Put a
40:47
little pressure on the TV with the microfiber there, and just gently wipe it
40:52
off. If it didn't work on the first pass, you do it again.
40:55
The microfiber is going to do most of your most of the stuff that
40:59
you do in there. If you use a paper towel or tissues or something,
41:04
then you're gonna have lint all over the screen. Cheaper paper towels can
41:07
actually scratch it. Tissues can actually leave residue because a lot of tissues have
41:13
vixed vapor rub lotion whatever in there, and it can leave residue on the
41:15
screen. You just need a little elbow grease, which is not a brand
41:21
that means effort, a microfibercloth and some water. Anything outside of that you
41:25
take a risk of damaging your screen or spending money. You don't have to.
41:30
I agree with the microfiber. I've also always been told that a little
41:34
bit of seventy percent isoprople rubbing alcohol. It will help clean up those other
41:40
those other things. It's rubbing alcohol, it's not ammonia. It can still
41:45
damage some of the film coatings that are put on the on the diffuser panel
41:51
that goes in front of the LCD screen. The reason I can speak to
41:53
this is I cannot tell you when I was a geek squad how many monitors
41:57
we had come in from some little grandma who was like, well, Timmy
42:01
just said to spray it with windex or use rubbing alcohol. And I was
42:05
like, well, so I have some good news and bad news. The
42:08
good news as monitors are on sale over there. The bad news is you're
42:14
gonna have to go buy one now. I bought this stuff called Woosh.
42:16
Have you guys ever seen this stuff? Whoosh I founded at Office Depot and
42:24
I use it for my laptop screen and it is great. I mean,
42:29
it does a great job. I wonder if you could use something like that
42:32
on a TV screen. If it's good for a laptop, would it be
42:36
good for a big TV or do you think really honestly, the microfiber and
42:39
maybe water would be the best way. I would go microfiber and water and
42:45
if you got something really really stubborn that won't come off, and then you
42:50
can look at something like woosh. But I mean a lot of the laptops
42:54
I mean, for example, Max have basically a piece of glass in front
43:00
of it. That's right, yeah, yeah, And you know a lot
43:02
of the other newer laptops have something like that in front of the screen.
43:06
So that's what you're cleaning with a big old TV. You are cleaning the
43:09
screen, so you don't have a huge pane of glass in front of it
43:14
to provide that level of protection. So I'd say start with just a microfiber
43:19
towel and a little bit of water, and you put the water on the
43:21
toel. Not you don't like, spray the water onto the screen, right,
43:24
do not? Oh God, please do not spray a bunch of water
43:30
on your TV. I am not telling you to do that. I don't
43:32
want the hate mail. Just spray it on the cloth cloth. Yeah.
43:38
And it doesn't need to be dripping wet either, No, it just needs
43:42
to be like a touch damp. Like if you imagine if you had a
43:46
spray bottle just being like one two that that should be it. All right,
43:52
Well, hopefully that will help him out and stop throwing food at your
43:55
TV. That's not good, but sorry. So what if you need to
44:00
buy a new TV? You know, somebody listening maybe thinking, you know,
44:04
maybe I can get out to a sale tonight, I have a TV
44:07
in by tomorrow or get one on Sunday morning? What are some things they
44:10
should think about? Because there was a big thing that went on with Visio.
44:14
I don't know if you guys heard about this where they were maybe incorrectly
44:17
talking about refresh rates and it was confusing people. You got a lot of
44:22
tech speak, you know, and people, okay, I guess that means
44:25
something. What does that mean when it comes to refresh rates? And four
44:30
K, a K six K justin you worked a lot in this and you
44:35
got interviewed about this. Yeah, they talked to you on TV, didn't
44:37
they. Yeah, it was on Fox five, my old TV station in
44:40
San Diego. But this was this was back in the day when it was
44:44
like seven to twenty P was the standard, which I don't know, Sean,
44:49
what is the standard. I mean, I think a lot of places
44:51
are still technically seven P tenny DP HDR is the de facto sports broadcast standard
44:59
right now. Seven to twenty P is the substandard, but it still exists
45:05
ESPN broadcasts and seven to twenty P still just straight across the board, all
45:08
ESPM property seven twenty P. So yeah, if you were going out to
45:15
buy a TV, a ten ADP HDR TV that has one hundred and forty
45:20
four refresh rate is gonna be an OLED screen is gonna be perfect. Right,
45:24
if you're not looking to spend a huge amount of money, You're gonna
45:28
get eight K and four K and you know fourteen forty thrown at you.
45:32
Right, Those are great if you want to spend the money to get that,
45:36
because you can use those things for your computer that can do resolutions that
45:38
high. Right, But except for the Super Bowl, the Big Game,
45:44
that's going to be the first native four K broadcast. If you have an
45:47
HDR TV and you can watch ten ADP content, that's where your bread and
45:52
butter's gonna be right now, at least for the next five to six years,
45:55
until four K is is the is the de facto standard and everybody gets
46:00
up there because if you're watching an ESPN on your ten ADP or four K
46:06
TV, all it is is seven to twenty p upscaled. Yeah, an
46:10
upscale does not mean it's not the same quality as like native four K.
46:16
So I've added the four K package to my YouTube TV, you know,
46:20
just to you know that, and that includes the Super Bowl I just mentioned
46:22
that, but it also includes some other channels, And a lot of these
46:27
are just like super niche channels like Outdoor Wildlife Channel, like It's they're not
46:34
like the major channels, Like they're not something that you would want to watch
46:37
all the time. So Sean is absolutely right, We've got a long way
46:42
to go before four K is truly the standard. When it comes to some
46:46
of these brands, though, do you have a preference. I mean,
46:50
there's Roco, There's there's you know, LG, there's Sony. Is Is
46:53
there any that stand out as being super good? I have. I have
46:58
two for preference actually, and then I want to throw real quick a dissenting
47:02
viewpoint onto this right. If I'm if I'm gonna spend the money on a
47:08
good TV, like it's gonna be my home theater TV, and I'm going
47:13
big with it, I'm going Sony. That that is the direction I am
47:16
going. If I'm doing anything else, I am probably gonna go with TCL.
47:23
I have a tcl uh. It's a it's got the built in Roku.
47:28
I think they also have him now with Android TV baked into it,
47:31
which I love. I love Android TV being able to click a button on
47:37
my remote and use the Google Assistant to be like where can I stream?
47:42
And it pulls it up and it's like you can stream it on this app
47:45
that you own, this one, this one where you can buy. Wow,
47:46
really like that app. It's it's lovely. Now my dissenting viewpoint right
47:53
with the TV. This is actually something that I've been thinking about for when
47:58
we upgrade our home theater. I don't think when this Sony TV croaks,
48:05
or when the upstairs TV croaks and we move this one upstairs, I don't
48:07
think I'm going to buy another TV the costs have come down enough on short
48:13
throw and ultra short throw projectors that I think that's where I'm going to go
48:17
next, because I can take a thing that again, using a set of
48:22
measurements that I don't know why exist anymore, which is the size of a
48:25
bread box, I can get something that big. It sits six inches away
48:32
from the wall and throws up a one hundred and twenty inch native four K
48:37
screen boom, and the new ones that are coming out with the laser lamp,
48:42
that brings up the reliability and life span of the device by a very
48:49
large amount, because it used to be every couple of years you'd have to
48:52
replace your projector lamp expensive and if you did it wrong and got your oils
48:57
on there when you're replacing the lamp, it could maybe, I don't know,
49:00
explode, which I'm all for immersive TV. I'm not for that level
49:05
of immersive TV, Like I don't need to be watching die Hard and have
49:09
crap explode in my living room. That's too much for me. But if
49:15
I can just have this little laser bulb in there throwing up uh you know,
49:19
on a tiny little oat lead screen in front, throwing up one hundred
49:22
and twenty inch screen boom right there. Oh yeah, definitely doing that.
49:27
So just to just like a lot of people might get confused when you say
49:30
short throw, right because like everybody thinking in a home theater system, you've
49:34
got the projector to the back of the room and it's you know, the
49:37
farther you get, the bigger, you know, the smaller the image gets.
49:39
Right, So a short throw just means it's just you don't you only
49:43
have to be a few inches away or a few feet away from the surface
49:47
you're projecting up instead of like my projector's twenty feet away from the wall to
49:52
get my one hundred and twenty inch image right. Yea four K I do
49:57
not mind'ly a tenn aphdr when I bought it. I bought it in twenty
50:00
nineteen, so four K just was the price point for four K projectors,
50:04
wasn't there. But the newer projectors also will do automatic I don't know if
50:10
it's light ar or if it's laser scanning, and do automatic keystone for you,
50:15
so it'll automatically map your wall. So if you have an angled wall,
50:19
you're slowly an angle, it'll automatically map and do a perfect keystone flat.
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Wow? Now is it is it smarter to get a screen? You
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can buy screens and they're relatively inexpensive or just projected on the wall. Right.
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This is where it gets tricky, right, because if you're projecting on
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a not white wall, you're gonna interfere with the colors of the projector.
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And if it's a glossy paint versus matte paint. Yeah, so buy a
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screen probably ideal. Would you put up a sheet and pull it taut?
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Yes? Right, I've seen people just shoot them on their their home walls,
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or paint a wall white with matte paint and make it look good.
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I have a screen that was into my house. It rolls down, you
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know. I just pushed the button and slides down out of the ceiling that
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was here when I bought the house. It's perfect for what I need.
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Nice. But you know, you can get relatively inexpensive projectors. Obviously,
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the newer ones that are short thrower, the price point goes up, especially
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for the four K or the ten aphdr ones like that. But man,
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that's not wrong, right. Projectors may be the option if you can do
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those short throws very good, or you could even get those those screens that
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come down. I mean that looks pretty nice too, or you could just
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get a vision pro. Oh there you go. Look at it's winning you
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over. Justin No, I'm just wrapping the show up, wrapping it right
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back to the start. We do have to take another break. We'll be
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back with more of tech Talk Radio. Find it so the way. I
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have a tech talk radio dot com. And now back to tech talk Radio.
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So we have our last question of the show from Rodney and Tucson.
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Rodney asks, I am in the market for a laptop to replace my previous
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one from about five years ago. I've been shopping and seeing these HP machines
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for about two point fifty that say they have one hundred and twenty eight gigs
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of storage four gigs of RAM. I'm only using it for work, but
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I'm wondering if I could use this for my purposes. Thoughts and what types
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of budget I should look at if I'm wanting more storage. Rodney, I'm
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gonna tell you off the bat, don't buy this laptop. The first strike
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against it is an HP, and the second strike against it is it's two
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hundred and fifty bucks. And let me explain why there are certain skews that
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companies create certain versions of a laptop that, yeah, they'll create either a
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super cheap version for like two fifty. They're also notorious for creating ones specifically
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for days like Black Friday, like when you come in the door and there's
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like, hey, here's this like seventy five dollars, great laptop, they
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only make it for that day. Well, with this laptop specifically, it
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sounds like your last one lasted about five years. One hundred and twenty eight
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gigs of storage is hardly anything now. Four gigs of RAM is enough to
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maybe open Chrome and all of tabs, right if you're realistically looking to replace
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it and you don't want to have to replace it a year or two down
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the road, which I can almost guarantee you you would with that machine,
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I would recommend expecting to spend about double that, around five hundred dollars.
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And I know that's probably not what Ronnie wants to hear. But the reason
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I say that is you spend a little bit more and you're going to get
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a lot more lifetime out of it if you're looking for something small, easy
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to use. Kind of along those lines, I'm actually a big fan of
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the Microsoft Surface Go laptops. I have a Surface Go three. I think
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it's either A two or three, and I love that thing. Like,
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am I going to be able to game on it or do high level coating
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things like that. No, but it's got a touchscreen, it has a
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fingerprint reader built into the power button. It's got a good decent midline processor
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like eight gigs a RAM. I think a five to twelve gig hard drive.
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It has everything that you need for just a good, solid daily driver.
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And most importantly, it has good quality components that were used to make
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it that aren't going to fail out the gate. I know some people will
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say, well, you know, you could just save to the cloud.
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You don't need all the storage on your laptop the programs you installed do uh
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huh yeah, And I'm sorry that is Bill Gates. Way back at one
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point you said, like, if anyone says they need more than like five
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hundred and twelve kilobytes of RAM kilobytes of RAM, well I don't know what
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they're doing. Well, I mean my machine has thirty two gigabytes in it,
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so four gigs is not enough. It is the bare minimum to run
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an OS and I would bet that that is running like the stripped down Windows
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S version, which is like it's it's like if Windows got hit in the
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head a lot and then hitting the head a lot more. Don't you want
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to look at what eight gigabytes maybe at least five twelve gigabytes storage or more
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one terabyte really is inexpensive right now, I'd say maybe go with that if
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you can. Don't look at this and be like, oh, well,
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I can spend I can get those features in like a Chromebook. That's a
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completely different operating system. It's a completely different world. If you're looking for
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the laptop experience for what you've had for like the last five years, honestly,
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spend around five hundred or more and you'll be much happier. That's all
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we have for this week's show. I'm Andy Taylor, I'm Sean du It,
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I'm Matt Jones, and I'm justin Lemme. Once again, Tech talk
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Radio dot Com have yourselves great week. See you