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GOVERNOR NEWSOM DON'T DO IT! Depraved Perp Bludgeons Sleeping Beauty Dead, Leaves Hammer in Head, Set to Walk Free · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, beautiful on the inside and out,
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Speaker 1: her whole life in front of her, loved and loving,
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Speaker 1: had a family that adored and adores her. Why was
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Speaker 1: a gorgeous, sweet, brilliant, wonderful girl she's twenty five years old,
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Speaker 1: brutally murdered in her sleep? And why is this guy
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Speaker 1: set to walk free? That is what I want to
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Speaker 1: know today. I'm talking about a gorgeous young girl, Nicole Sincole.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation and Serious XM
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Speaker 1: one eleven. First of all, take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: cut eight. This is Brail of at ABC ten. In
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Speaker 1: two thousand and five, twenty five year old Nicole Sincooley
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Speaker 1: was murdered in her sleep. Her boyfriend, Eric Marram was
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Speaker 1: convicted of hitting her more than a dozen times with
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Speaker 1: a hammer. Devastated and Claudie and I went over to
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Speaker 1: the department afterwards and we saw the area that had
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Speaker 1: happened in Claudia felt her knees. Marm was sentenced to
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Speaker 1: sixteen years to life. Now, sixteen years later, he's in
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Speaker 1: fulsome state prison awaiting his fate. The murderer is planning
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Speaker 1: you settle in Sacramento. What part of Sacramento we don't know.
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Speaker 1: So right now he's in Falsom prison and we've talked
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Speaker 1: to the vice mayor of Falesom City to let her know.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This described stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us before I introduced to you are all star
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Speaker 1: panel to make sense of what we know now, including
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Speaker 1: the detective on duty the night of Nicole's murder, her
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Speaker 1: family joining us, the San Diego County Deputy District attorney
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Speaker 1: joining us. I want to first go to Nicole's sister, Danetta. Danetta,
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Speaker 1: tell me how it is affecting you, the thought that
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Speaker 1: your sisters killer could walk free. It gives me anxiety
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Speaker 1: and insomnia. I don't sleep well. He came to my
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Speaker 1: house an hour and a half before he murdered my
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Speaker 1: sister and earlier that week, so I'm definitely fearful from
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Speaker 1: my life. I know he came to kill me those
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Speaker 1: two times if he had this plan, so he knew
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Speaker 1: how close we were, he knew our relationships, So yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm very afraid. Why do you believe he came to
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Speaker 1: your house not once, but twice? He started trying to
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Speaker 1: isolate her from me because we were so so close.
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Speaker 1: He told her at one point, your sister doesn't love you.
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Speaker 1: She's just trying to play the big sister. And she
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Speaker 1: told me that, and he knew how. You know, we
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Speaker 1: we were two peas in a pod. And I think
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Speaker 1: he just wanted to get me away from her because
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Speaker 1: then I guess he would have her all to himself
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Speaker 1: and it could break down, like, you know, some of
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Speaker 1: her strength and her willpowers would I think. And doctor
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Speaker 1: Sherry Schwartz joining me, forensic psychologist, author of Criminal Behavior
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Speaker 1: and Where a law and psychology intersect got to Sherry,
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Speaker 1: that is a stereotypical hallmark part of the battered women's syndrome.
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Speaker 1: You isolate the victim from friends and family that would say, hey,
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Speaker 1: you got to get away from this guy. This guy's crazy,
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Speaker 1: this guy's evil. You see, the victim isolated from people
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Speaker 1: like Danetta, Nicole's sister. Well, that's absolutely right, because that's
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Speaker 1: how they gain control. They want to be the only
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Speaker 1: ones influencing their target victim. They can't have somebody who's
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Speaker 1: going to shine a light on their bad behavior, so
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Speaker 1: they have to make the closest people to that person
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Speaker 1: look bad, and they're very successful at doing that, you know.
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Speaker 1: Danettison Coolly with me along with her mother, Nicole's mother Claudia,
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Speaker 1: and father Glenn. Also with me the San Diego Deputy
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Speaker 1: District Attorney John Cross, Sergeant Kelly Garcia, OCEANSIDEPD detective that night,
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Speaker 1: and Samantha Lomiboo joining us from k SQ News three.
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Speaker 1: Back to you, Danata Sin Cooley. I know we're about
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Speaker 1: to talk about the cruel and brutal murder. I'm Nicole,
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Speaker 1: and I know you do not want to hear those facts.
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Speaker 1: What is really important is that a parole board or
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Speaker 1: a governing body does hear those facts. But Danata, I
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Speaker 1: want to hear something that maybe no one else could
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Speaker 1: tell me. You know, Data, I have twins, they're fourteen now, John,
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Speaker 1: David and Lucy, and I love them more than anything
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Speaker 1: in this world. They have a relationship different from the
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Speaker 1: mother son or mother daughter relationship. It's different. Your relationship
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Speaker 1: with Nicole is different from anybody else's in the world.
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Speaker 1: Tell me about she was my best friend. You know.
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Speaker 1: We grew up with my mom's sister being murdered, so
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Speaker 1: we always were taught that how special our relationship is
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Speaker 1: and never to take it for granted. So there was
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Speaker 1: not one moment of our life where, of course we fought.
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Speaker 1: We were very very close, but you know, we shared
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Speaker 1: best friends to this day, you know, childhood best friends.
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Speaker 1: We could check our parents with our voices. We would
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Speaker 1: do that to you know, we would prank call them
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Speaker 1: and switch our voices. We did it to guys in
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Speaker 1: the past. We were you know, people used to think
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Speaker 1: we were twins. We were two years apart, but we
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Speaker 1: were so She was my everything and I was hers,
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Speaker 1: you know, and you know we didn't have any other siblings.
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Speaker 1: I am older, and you know, we used to gang
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Speaker 1: up against my parents. It was just her and I
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Speaker 1: against the world a lot of times, you know, and
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Speaker 1: everybody knew that. It wasn't a secret, like every single person,
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Speaker 1: you know, they knew one my sister died. The impact
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Speaker 1: that that, you know, that this would have on me
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Speaker 1: and still does you know, I mean, everything in my
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Speaker 1: life has paled in comparison after losing her. I can,
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Speaker 1: I'm not invincible, but you know, I lost the most
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Speaker 1: special thing in my life. And you know, you know,
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Speaker 1: as you're talking, Danetta, it's making me think of my children, John,
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Speaker 1: David and Lucy. They loved to gang up on me
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Speaker 1: and get what they want. It's so funny to watch
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Speaker 1: them and they're like two peas in a pod. They're
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Speaker 1: so incredibly close. Tell me about her. What was her personality? Janetta? Um,
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Speaker 1: she always saw the best in people, you know, she
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Speaker 1: always no matter if you know, I would be a
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Speaker 1: little bit hesitant, She'd always saw you know, the good
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Speaker 1: in people, every single person. And you know, Um, she
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Speaker 1: was had strong she you know, her and I would
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Speaker 1: get in fight so obviously as siblings do. And she
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Speaker 1: just you know, Um, she was tough. She was liked
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Speaker 1: by everybody. Like I said, we had the same friends.
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Speaker 1: She was. Um, we did everything together. We were a
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Speaker 1: band together, swimming together. She was awesome, you know. She
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Speaker 1: she was very, you know, very nice person very you know,
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Speaker 1: always put other people first. You know. I've been looking
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Speaker 1: at her photo a lot since I found out about
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Speaker 1: this case. And you know who she looks like? To me?
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Speaker 1: She looks like Tiger Woods's ex wife, you know, the
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Speaker 1: beautiful blonde, big eyes. She's got just perfect complexion, beautiful smile.
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Speaker 1: I'm just I've looked at her so much after I
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Speaker 1: started researching your case. Dananda, I know you do not
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Speaker 1: want to hear or relive what happened to your sister.
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Speaker 1: I completely understand that. I hate having to remember the
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Speaker 1: facts that my fiance's murder at um. It's very, very upsetting.
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Speaker 1: So I know you don't want to hear that. So
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Speaker 1: I'll say goodbye to you and I'll now go to
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Speaker 1: missus Sincole. This is Nicole and Danetta's mom and mister
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Speaker 1: Sincole their dad, and you can find them at the
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Speaker 1: Nicole Sekuli Foundation Nicole Sekuli dot org. You know, to
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Speaker 1: you guys, you're two of the strongest people I've ever
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Speaker 1: heard of, because after losing your daughter in this heinous
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Speaker 1: way in her sleep like a sleeping beauty, you are
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Speaker 1: still fighting. And I've just got to ask you, Miss Sinculie,
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Speaker 1: how do you keep fighting? I keep fighting because I
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Speaker 1: have to be a voice for her and not just her.
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Speaker 1: I mean now, now despite is gone, beyond my family
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Speaker 1: is gone because of the fact that he has been
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Speaker 1: recommended for role. It could be in your community. It
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Speaker 1: could be he wants to settle in Sacramento, but or Nappa,
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Speaker 1: where his parents are, where all the dysfunction probably started,
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Speaker 1: and he's been in ocean side, he's lived in LA
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Speaker 1: he knows where we live in the desert. I have
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Speaker 1: to fight for my family and for the community that
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Speaker 1: he might he might. I can't sit back and be
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Speaker 1: quiet knowing that he's going to get out and someone
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Speaker 1: else is going to be in danger, because I believe
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Speaker 1: he will hurt or kill again, and not just kill,
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Speaker 1: but murder, because there's a difference with me. In addition
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Speaker 1: to Danata, Nicole's sister and Claudia Missin Cooley, Nicole's mother
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Speaker 1: is her dad, Glancincooley. You know, mister Sinkule, my parents,
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Speaker 1: you know, worked so hard to put me through school,
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Speaker 1: help me get to law school. And I love my
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Speaker 1: mother so much. In fact, she lives with me now
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Speaker 1: with our family, and I'm so happy that she's with me.
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Speaker 1: That said, nobody can ever ever replace my dad. I
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Speaker 1: don't tell my husband, but I think my dad has
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Speaker 1: always been my soulmate. I just to this day love
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Speaker 1: him and miss him every day. Tell me about your
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Speaker 1: relationship with Nick Cole just very hard to describe it,
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Speaker 1: I suppose are it broke my heart when that happened. Actually,
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Speaker 1: I had a heart attack two years after this guy
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Speaker 1: I did what he did. I just don't understand some things,
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Speaker 1: like as a society, have we stooped to a position
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Speaker 1: and a level that we will even consider a bloodthirsty
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Speaker 1: animal like he is to let him out to devour again.
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Speaker 1: We know too much now, we know a lot, and
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Speaker 1: this person not even a person. This animal will strike again,
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Speaker 1: and someone will be and whoever doesn't stop, I feel
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Speaker 1: is going to have the blood on their hands because
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Speaker 1: he will kill again. He will kill again. Time stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. You know John Crofts joining me San
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Speaker 1: Diego County Deputy District Attorney. Help me, help me understand
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Speaker 1: why anyone would release this guy. I hate to even
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Speaker 1: say his name, Eric Nathaniel marm Why would they release him?
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Speaker 1: I don't understand this. I mean, haven't we learned anything.
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Speaker 1: Glenn's Acculli is right, Why do we do the same
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Speaker 1: thing over and over? He will kill again? He will
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Speaker 1: That's a great question, Nancy. We fought extremely hard at
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Speaker 1: the Pearl Hearing back in November to keep him in.
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Speaker 1: We are still fighting now right beside Glenn, Danetta and
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Speaker 1: Claudia to keep him in. The decision now is in
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Speaker 1: the government California's hands. Gavin, Yes, Gavin Newsom. We have
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Speaker 1: sent him from our office asking for him to reverse
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Speaker 1: this grand of Pearl. Claudia has sent him a letter,
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Speaker 1: numerous letters from the community. I blew, there're seventy or
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Speaker 1: eighty letters in from the community. There's a petition with
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Speaker 1: more than seven thousand signatures asking the governor to reverse
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Speaker 1: this grand of pearl. It was an awful grant of parle.
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Speaker 1: The inmate is still who the hey decided this guy
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Speaker 1: it's been sixteen years, that's nothing. Well, why should this
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Speaker 1: guy walk now again? Great question, Nancy, This is what
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Speaker 1: the Pearl board decided. That question is probably better posed
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Speaker 1: to them because we were opposed to prole then we're
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Speaker 1: opposed to prole now. This inmate is still dangerous and
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Speaker 1: he's a young man. This is a young man. How
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Speaker 1: old is he now? Samantha Lomiboo joining me, investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: k E Sq News three Twitter at some Antha k
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Speaker 1: E Sq you have incredible reputation as an excellent reporter.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. How old is this
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Speaker 1: pos now? Is he forty one? I've got forty one
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Speaker 1: years old? Is that true? Yeah? Yes, okay, forty one.
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Speaker 1: Oh oh, whoa Samantha. Let me tell you something. John
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Speaker 1: Cross helped me out one of the first cases I
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Speaker 1: worked up where I worked on similar transactions. It was
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Speaker 1: a rape of a five year old and a three
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Speaker 1: year old girl. I got to looking at the defendant.
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Speaker 1: He was like sixty something, and I'm like what he had?
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Speaker 1: Rapes and john molestations dating back to when he was
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Speaker 1: about nineteen years old, and he was still at it
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Speaker 1: and had never been apprehended forty one in the life
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Speaker 1: of a male criminal. Oh yeah, he's gonna He's gonna
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Speaker 1: offend again. There's no question based on his age alone.
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Speaker 1: John Cross, he is he is. He's a young man. Uh,
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Speaker 1: he's a She saw him at prole hearing. He's a
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Speaker 1: good looking man. Not to me, he looks like the
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Speaker 1: devil of me. Well educated? What do you mean he's
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Speaker 1: well educated? I didn't know that he graduated from UCLA.
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Speaker 1: He's got to be a in psychology. I bet he's
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Speaker 1: using that to his advantage. Who said that? Was that? Miss? Singularly? Doubtless?
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Speaker 1: Claudia and his father is a psychology I retell you
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Speaker 1: a psychologist dealing in anger management and domestic violence and
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Speaker 1: family relations, domestic violence. That that sound Nicole was murdered.
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Speaker 1: You know what, Let me go to Samantha Loamibao and
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Speaker 1: Sergeant Kelly Garcia. First of all, Sergeant Garcia, tell me
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Speaker 1: what happened. You're the detective on the night of the murder,
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Speaker 1: and sargent, and thank you for being with us. I
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Speaker 1: know you've got your hands full. Thank you for joining
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Speaker 1: us in our fight to keep this violent murderer behind
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Speaker 1: bars where he should be. What happened that night? That night,
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Speaker 1: I was actually on my way home from another incident
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Speaker 1: that we had here on Oceanside, So I actually heard
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Speaker 1: the radio call go out and turned around knowing that
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Speaker 1: that we had a murder. But when I got to
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Speaker 1: the scene, it was I've been to a lot of
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Speaker 1: crime scenes I've been At that time, I had been
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Speaker 1: a police officer for probably thirteen years. I've now been
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Speaker 1: here for twenty five. But at that time I had
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Speaker 1: worked gangs for several years. I had seen a lot
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Speaker 1: of murder, a lot of crime scenes. This one, though,
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Speaker 1: jolted me when I walked into the house, when I
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Speaker 1: saw her laying there. Why so, a lot of times
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Speaker 1: in murders you know, you see someone's been shot, they've
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Speaker 1: been stabbed, they've been beaten. I could tell that this
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Speaker 1: was personal. The thing that bothered me the most about
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Speaker 1: this case, and still to this day bothers me, is
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Speaker 1: oftentimes suspects do not leave the weapon behind. They always
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Speaker 1: take the weapon. However, in this particular case, when I
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Speaker 1: walked into her bedroom, I saw her lying there. She
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Speaker 1: looked it was really sad, still sad to this day.
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Speaker 1: I saw her lying there. She had a cast on
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Speaker 1: her leg. She looked very innocent, but her head was
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Speaker 1: absolutely just exploded, and the hammer that was used to
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Speaker 1: kill her was still embedded into her head. Stop stop, play, stop, sergeant,
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Speaker 1: and you want to tell me this guy has been
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Speaker 1: recommended to be really least you are hearing a seasoned
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Speaker 1: sergeant state that this crime scene steel is in her
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Speaker 1: head because of what she saw. So brazen he left
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Speaker 1: the murder weapon there embedded in this beautiful girl's head.
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Speaker 1: How was the perp caught, Sergeant Garcia. We had put
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Speaker 1: out a description of who he was in the vehicle
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Speaker 1: that he possibly left in, and it was just within
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Speaker 1: about an hour later. He was in our South area
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Speaker 1: of Oceanside and officers that were patrolling the area saw
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Speaker 1: him and made a traffic stop on him, and he
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Speaker 1: actually pulled over and complied, and he was taken into custody.
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Speaker 1: You know, the reality is to Claudius Sinkulee, this isn't
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Speaker 1: Nicole's mother joining us. Don't you know they're tired. Don't
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Speaker 1: you just know that Claudia and Glenn Secculi are just exhausted.
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Speaker 1: I remember, I kind of remember. Actually, Miss Cinculi is
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Speaker 1: like a blur to me. My dad and now my
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Speaker 1: mom tells me she drove me. Sometimes I can't even remember.
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Speaker 1: Around my fiance's murder trial. It was such an awful, horrible,
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Speaker 1: like a red blurry haze to me. I would come
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Speaker 1: home from the trial and I just couldn't even think straight.
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Speaker 1: And you have been living this every day, fighting parole,
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Speaker 1: fighting parole, fighting parole, and now this, I'm sorry you
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Speaker 1: have to hear these facts again. We have to live
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Speaker 1: with them, Nancy. And like I told somebody, you know
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Speaker 1: we have her autopsy papers here. You know, we have
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Speaker 1: to live with it. We don't have a choice. Either
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Speaker 1: curl up and die, or we could kill ourselves, or
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Speaker 1: we could be a voice for Nicole. And other domestic
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Speaker 1: violence women and even men. This man, this man only
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Speaker 1: said that he slapped her one time. Most of it
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Speaker 1: was abused. He admits to manipulating and abusing her um verbally,
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Speaker 1: he admits to that. And that's that's how he seduced
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Speaker 1: her mind, is what he did. And Nicole was pretty innocent,
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Speaker 1: and he seduced her mind. And she died for love.
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Speaker 1: And that last day he was kicked out of his
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Speaker 1: rehab for the second time, and she took him in
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Speaker 1: and they weren't even fighting. Um. That night, I took
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Speaker 1: her home. She had she had stayed with She had
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Speaker 1: come over for a family dinner, and I took her
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Speaker 1: home and I spent two hours with her. And when
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Speaker 1: I left, he obviously was stalking in the in around
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Speaker 1: her apartment. And when I was there, we put his
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Speaker 1: clothes on the porch, and when I left, she took
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Speaker 1: him back in. And when she went to bed, she
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Speaker 1: was drinking with the neighbor. He went out to his
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Speaker 1: truck and got the hammer. The neighbor hid the hammer.
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Speaker 1: The neighbor went to get cigarettes at his apartment and
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Speaker 1: came back, and he heard the noise in the room.
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Speaker 1: And when Kelly talks. Sergeant Kelly talks about the hammer
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Speaker 1: being left in Nicole's head when the neighbors seeing him,
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Speaker 1: he had the hammer. He was standing with the hammer,
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Speaker 1: So that means that he hit her one last time.
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Speaker 1: And when he was asked into hearing why he did that,
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Speaker 1: and he said because it was like the end or
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Speaker 1: he finished, and so he had to hit her one
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Speaker 1: more time. It wasn't enough that he hit her over
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Speaker 1: thirteen times. And there was everything all over the room
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Speaker 1: that I wouldn't want to see and you wouldn't want
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Speaker 1: to see, but that we know about. And UM, okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry I went on a little bit. When did
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Speaker 1: you learn that your door had been killed? Um? I
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Speaker 1: left her that night and I went home and I
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Speaker 1: got a call that he was there, and we called
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Speaker 1: the police and it started to unravel. I went to bed,
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Speaker 1: and the next day my husband and I went out
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Speaker 1: for aaron and we came back. I went upstairs to
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Speaker 1: take a nap, and then Glenn can answer it from there,
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Speaker 1: if that's okay, Yes, mister Sincularly, Claudia had taken a
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Speaker 1: nap and I heard someone at our door, so I
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Speaker 1: was upstairs and I went downstairs and two people in
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Speaker 1: all black suits of men in black type said are
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Speaker 1: you Drunson Coolly and my heart, my heart seat Marta
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Speaker 1: fell to my feet. If I felt something left me,
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Speaker 1: something was gone. So they had formed me something's happened.
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Speaker 1: They told it, and then I called Claudia down and
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Speaker 1: and Claudia got on the phone and I called his parents.
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Speaker 1: I call this parents and I told them what his
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Speaker 1: son had done to our wonderful, beautiful daughter, one of
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Speaker 1: my wonderful, beautiful daughters. So I believe Kelly was that
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Speaker 1: one of those people at the door on my right. Kelly, Yes,
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Speaker 1: I was. Um. I was the lead detective on the case,
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Speaker 1: and myself and my sergeant decided that we would make
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Speaker 1: notification to the family. And that was the first time
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Speaker 1: I met Claudia and Glenn, and it was horrible. I
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Speaker 1: felt bad. I had to keep it together at the time,
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Speaker 1: but I really felt bad for the family knowing that
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Speaker 1: what I was about to tell him, and they were
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Speaker 1: obviously upset, and I think they know. Um, I just
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Speaker 1: I felt horrible giving that news to them that day,
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Speaker 1: and knowing that I was the person had to tell
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Speaker 1: him that what happened to their daughter and just how
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Speaker 1: violent it was is what bothered me so much. It's easy,
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Speaker 1: It's not easy, but it's almost easier to tell somebody
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Speaker 1: that your son's or your daughter's been shot. But when
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Speaker 1: you have to tell them how they were killed in
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Speaker 1: this manner is it's horrible and I should have say
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Speaker 1: my heart breaks for this and Cool Time Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace join to me. Samantha Looney bow k SQ
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Speaker 1: News three. Samantha, I never get used to investigating our
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Speaker 1: reporting on violent crimes. I never get used to it.
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Speaker 1: I think about it, I dream about it, I worry
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Speaker 1: about it. Can you tell me how what we what
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Speaker 1: we know of how the parole board has come up
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Speaker 1: with the idea that this guy should be released. What
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Speaker 1: is their thinking? What do we know of this parole board?
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Speaker 1: You know, as of right now, what we know the
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Speaker 1: last time I discussed with the Syncolies is that I mean,
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Speaker 1: I guess he's been just showing that he's now gooded
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Speaker 1: and that he's been acting, you know, within a certain
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Speaker 1: range that should allow him to be released. But you know,
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Speaker 1: speaking with the Syncolies back when we did the story,
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Speaker 1: you know, they said he is manipulative. He is someone
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Speaker 1: that you know, did this to their port of whole,
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Speaker 1: was able to, you know, use his words and his
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Speaker 1: actions to persuade. And I'm not shocked if you know.
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Speaker 1: Obviously I don't know, but I'm not shocked that he's
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Speaker 1: using the same thing right now while he's serving time
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Speaker 1: to show that he's remorseful, because you know, speaking with
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Speaker 1: some coolies, he never showed any remorse to them. He
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Speaker 1: never apologized for the crime that he did. Oh wait,
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Speaker 1: I didn't know that, Samantha loom me vow hold on
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Speaker 1: just a moment. Is that true? Gland Seculi. He never apologized,
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Speaker 1: he never showed remorse. In fact, didn't he blame all
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Speaker 1: this on drug and alcohol addiction and God? And God?
28:40
Speaker 1: How did he drag God into it? I can't answer that.
28:45
Speaker 1: There's a twisted mind involved, and I can't understand anything
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Speaker 1: about him. The more I know, and we're learning a
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Speaker 1: lot more, it's he's he's been a sick man for
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Speaker 1: a long time. Why do you say that, I can't
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Speaker 1: be revealed right now? I don't believe in this format. Well,
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Speaker 1: I mean, the trial is however, he's about to get
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Speaker 1: set free. Is there something? It's just you know, I
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Speaker 1: Nancy this is Claudia and he presents with a flat
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Speaker 1: attitude and um, it's he's like a robot. And if
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Speaker 1: you look up, it's not attitude, but at that person. Yes,
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Speaker 1: and if you look that up, it's pretty scary. And
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Speaker 1: he m in fact when we had this hearing, in
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Speaker 1: the last hearing, Um, John Cross could not he still
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Speaker 1: can't get over how robotic, the robotic nature the mindset.
29:51
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that, John Cross, what did he observe?
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Speaker 1: I observed a man with no remorse. He was a motionless, cold, old,
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Speaker 1: stone faced When the victims family gave their impact statements
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Speaker 1: at the end of the hearing, he sat with his
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Speaker 1: arms crossed and his head down for about an hour
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Speaker 1: without moving. He did not seem to show any remorse whatsoever.
30:21
Speaker 1: Granted parole was just a miscarriage of justice because we've
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Speaker 1: got a man who who is still dangerous. I thought
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Speaker 1: that was part of parole, John Cross. I mean, you're
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Speaker 1: the expert everybody, John Cross joining me San Diego County
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Speaker 1: Deputy District Attorney. You can find him at San Diego
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Speaker 1: DA dot com. John Cross, I thought that was part
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Speaker 1: of getting release, was that you admitted to what you did.
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Speaker 1: You take responsibility and you show remorse. That's true, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: All of those are factors the Pearl Board takes in.
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Speaker 1: But this was just a miscarriage of justice. They got
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Speaker 1: it wrong. He should not have been released, should not
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Speaker 1: be up for release. He's still got issues going on.
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Speaker 1: He does not realize the severity of the domestic violence
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Speaker 1: that happened before the murder of Nicole. He still blames
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Speaker 1: much of the murder on the use of methamphetamine and
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Speaker 1: what he calls a meth psychosis that he was in
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Speaker 1: at the time. He doesn't realize the domestic violence aspect
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Speaker 1: of it and how serious it was. The dominion, the control,
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Speaker 1: the power and control he was trying to exert over Nicole.
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Speaker 1: He has parole plans that are very grandiose and borderline delusional.
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Speaker 1: He wants to win an Oscar. He wants to write
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Speaker 1: a Netflix series. He wants to be a published author.
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Speaker 1: He wants to win a Pulitzer Prize. He wants to
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Speaker 1: go hunting with his dad, even though in the state
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Speaker 1: of California, convicted cannot own nor be around far. I
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Speaker 1: was just thinking this guy with a gun in his hands,
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Speaker 1: or well, isn't it true? John Cross isn't it true
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Speaker 1: that when asked specifically what if anything he regretted, he
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Speaker 1: didn't even mention Nicole. He mentioned he regretted that he
32:17
Speaker 1: had used drugs. He does blame a lot of all
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Speaker 1: of this on the drugs, and he overlooks the domestic
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Speaker 1: violence portion of it. And if someone does not understand
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Speaker 1: what led them to do such a horrific crime, which
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Speaker 1: he still can't explain, why this was so brutal, why
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Speaker 1: he hit her thirteen times, why he used a hammer,
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Speaker 1: why he used a claw and of the hammer, he
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Speaker 1: can't explain those things. He can't explain those things. He
32:54
Speaker 1: doesn't understand what motivated him to do it makes him dangerous. Samanthelomibo,
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Speaker 1: what if anything can we do the pro boarder, I
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Speaker 1: believe it's two out of three people voted for him,
33:08
Speaker 1: Eric Nathaniel marm forty one to be released. What can
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Speaker 1: we do now? Well now, at this point, I mean,
33:17
Speaker 1: the signatures on the petition have our gaining steam and
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Speaker 1: I think it's all up to the people to bring
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Speaker 1: it to their state lawmakers to try to get Governor
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Speaker 1: Galvinuem to make sure that Mariam isn't released anytime soon,
33:32
Speaker 1: because after speaking with the Syncoulies. I mean, he's definitely
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Speaker 1: going to be a threat, even coming out of even
33:38
Speaker 1: coming out of jail. I mean you've had your sister
33:41
Speaker 1: move out of state because she's afraid. Absolutely exactly. Fancy
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Speaker 1: this is yes, Kelly Garcia. Yes. One thing I can
33:50
Speaker 1: add to what's being said right now. Also when they're
33:54
Speaker 1: talking about his flat affects is, in my opinion, whether
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Speaker 1: he's on drugs or not, because at the Pearl hearing
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Speaker 1: he was allegedly not on drugs. When we arrested him,
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Speaker 1: he was on drugs, and during that interview he had
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Speaker 1: zero remorse or emotion when he talked about why he
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Speaker 1: killed Nicole, and his answer was that God made him
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Speaker 1: do it. So his personality and his affect has not
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Speaker 1: changed in sixteen years. Whether it's on drugs or off drugs,
34:26
Speaker 1: he's just it. It's absolutely the same. Her injuries indicate
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Speaker 1: that she had a gaping hole in her skull and
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Speaker 1: thirteen impact holes in her head. In a search warrant
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Speaker 1: and I'm going all the way back to trial, he
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Speaker 1: said he had thought about murdering Nicole for some time
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Speaker 1: because he quote felt she was evil at the time,
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Speaker 1: missing cried, holding tissues to her face as Judge John
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Speaker 1: Einhorn asked about the factual basis of this guy's guilty plea.
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Speaker 1: Remember he pled guilty under oath. There's no question that
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Speaker 1: he murdered Nicole. That is not a question. So you
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Speaker 1: have the mom reduced to tears in court, and now
35:27
Speaker 1: again she is reduced to tears because two a holes
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Speaker 1: on pardoning parole have decided this depraved killer who murdered
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Speaker 1: a twenty five year old angel, they're letting him walk free.
35:47
Speaker 1: That's my understanding of the injuries to her. Did I
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Speaker 1: miss something to Sergeant Kelly Garcia or John Cross or
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Speaker 1: mister and missus Sincoole, Did I understand and that I
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Speaker 1: was at the autopsy unfortunately as well, and her head
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Speaker 1: injuries were so and the synchols have heard this before.
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Speaker 1: It's the only reason I'm they know I will bring
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Speaker 1: this up is her head injuries were It was at
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Speaker 1: least thirteen impacts, that's all the medical examiner could count
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Speaker 1: at the time, but her head was so exploded that
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Speaker 1: they could not figure out how many times she had
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Speaker 1: been blunted. Correct And they normally have to open up
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Speaker 1: your during an autopsy to take your brain out, They
36:37
Speaker 1: have to open up your head with a saw. Yes,
36:42
Speaker 1: in this situation, all the doctor had to do was
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Speaker 1: use her hands to pull apart Nicole's skull. I want
36:50
Speaker 1: to remind everyone and commit correct me if I'm wrong,
36:52
Speaker 1: Samantha loa me bow because joining us k EESQ because
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Speaker 1: you know the facts much better than I do. But
36:59
Speaker 1: isn't it true that he had already played guilty to
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Speaker 1: misdemeanor charges in connection with violence against Nicole? He had
37:07
Speaker 1: pled guilty up several times to other charges, and not
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Speaker 1: only that, there was a protective order in place to
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Speaker 1: keep him away from her that had been lifted just
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Speaker 1: four months before he murdered her. Isn't that true? Samantha Lomibo, Yes,
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Speaker 1: that is true. Isn't it true? Also, Sergeant Kelly Garcia
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Speaker 1: that just about three hours before she was murdered, police
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Speaker 1: Oceanside Police had been called to the residents because he
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Speaker 1: Eric Nathaniel Morim was creating a ruckless and argument, a
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Speaker 1: violent argument, and police had to come and calm everybody down.
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Speaker 1: The minute they leave, he murders her. That is corrected.
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Speaker 1: He left after the first officers arrived, they spoke with
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Speaker 1: him and then he left the scene and then it
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Speaker 1: was about an hour after that that he returned to
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Speaker 1: the house. Masters. Think, Hilly, what is your message to
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Speaker 1: Governor Gavin Newsom today? My message would be that murderers,
38:19
Speaker 1: not people that just kill, not people that just do drugs,
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Speaker 1: but murderers should remain in prison a life for a life.
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Speaker 1: This man wants to get out and get married and
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Speaker 1: had children. Whose child is he going to marry? Do
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Speaker 1: you want him in your community. I'm fearful of my
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Speaker 1: life because i'm his mother's age, and he has contempts
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Speaker 1: for her and contempt for women, and I testified in
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Speaker 1: front of him five times. I'm fearful for my older daughter,
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Speaker 1: then I don't get to see very often because she
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Speaker 1: has She's fearful for her her life, and fearful for
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Speaker 1: my family and the community he will live in. My
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Speaker 1: husband shouldn't have to worry about protecting us at our age.
39:11
Speaker 1: And I just asked that you find it in your
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Speaker 1: heart you look over all the facts. This murderer didn't
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Speaker 1: pass one test that he had on the outside, but
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Speaker 1: yet she's passed all the tests in prison. Please look
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Speaker 1: at all the facts and please keep him in to
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Speaker 1: Kathleen Maloney joining US definite chief medical exam or joining
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Speaker 1: us out of Erie County because you describe the injuries
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Speaker 1: to this young girl well as I understand it, she
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Speaker 1: had the minimum of thirteen impact sites. But as a
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Speaker 1: detective would saying earlier, oftentimes, if impacts are in the
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Speaker 1: same place, it's difficult to distinguish exactly how many there are.
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Speaker 1: So oftentimes what you'll say is, as a forensic pathologist
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Speaker 1: is you have a minimum of thirteen impact sites, but
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Speaker 1: it can be difficult to say how many there actually
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Speaker 1: were because the injuries are so there's so much overlapping.
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Speaker 1: Unfortunately too. Mister glance Akuli, what is your message to you?
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Speaker 1: Have a Nissan today, have a conscience, read what we know.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you have the ability to know more than
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Speaker 1: us in your connections and look at the facts. And
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Speaker 1: would you want this guy hanging out with your daughter?
40:45
Speaker 1: Do you have any daughters? So? Do they sleep at night?
40:51
Speaker 1: We ask him these questions, And do you have nieces?
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Speaker 1: Do they sleep at night? And that's all my daughter
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Speaker 1: was doing is sleeping, So d'll wake up and do
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Speaker 1: the right thing, do the right thing. And I don't
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Speaker 1: want to go an you further, but do the right thing,
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Speaker 1: and that's chief this annibal locked up. If you want
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Speaker 1: to help the Sinkouli family, there is a change dot
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Speaker 1: org petition reverse recommended Parole for murderer, Repeat reverse recommended
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Speaker 1: Parole for murderer. If you need more information, please go
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Speaker 1: to crime online dot com. We have a full article
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Speaker 1: including all of the links you need to help keep
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Speaker 1: this killer behind bars. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, Goodbye,
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