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#1674 Just In Case - Paul Taylor · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I'll get a bloody champions. Welcome to another installment of
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  Speaker 1: not only the You Project, but also the fucking Paul
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  Speaker 1: Taylor Podcast. Without the fucking at the start. It's just
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  Speaker 1: the Paul Taylor Podcast, which is much better than mine. Body, brain,
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  Speaker 1: bum toe, fucking project whatever it used to be called.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so glad you changed it.
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  Speaker 2: I think I'm putting this done as an AX redded
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  Speaker 2: episode there in Creggummer.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, sorry, I forgot so much on. Sorry, I do it.
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  Speaker 2: Bit, but I probably don't have six wear words in
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  Speaker 2: the intro. Generally, that's all right, all right.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. We'll do another one, just in case.
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  Speaker 2: You want no, no, no, no no, let's just roll.
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  Speaker 1: Also joining us on the callers Tiffany and Cook, who
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  Speaker 1: has our own show, fuck it. While we're mentioning podcasts,
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  Speaker 1: roll with the punches, Let's give everyone a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of love. Tiffany and Cook over there wearing the typ
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  Speaker 1: hat today Production manager Editor Chief Guru Hi tiv.
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  Speaker 3: It's a good hat fits well.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very good.
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  Speaker 3: How are you HAPs and Tyler?
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing I'm doing all right, I ask Pete. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know he's he looks all right.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing all right. I've got one tooth less than
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  Speaker 2: I had this morning, but I'm doing all right. No, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: nothing so glamorous as that I had had an abscess
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  Speaker 2: and it turns out the nerve had died. But i'll
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  Speaker 2: tell you what it was fretting amazing. Went to the dentist.
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  Speaker 2: She was brilliant, and she has this new three D
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  Speaker 2: X ray machine where it did a three D X
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  Speaker 2: ray of my mouth, and she showed me on both
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  Speaker 2: sides of the of the mouth, just above the palate,
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  Speaker 2: that's where your sinus is. I hadn't realized your sinus
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  Speaker 2: is that close. And on the right hand side. My
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  Speaker 2: immune system had dumped all of this inflammation because the
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  Speaker 2: tooth infection had sort of punctured and got into the sinus.
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  Speaker 2: So it's amazing to see the body reacting by just
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  Speaker 2: jumping a whole heap of inflammation in there. So but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the tooth I had to come oute.
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  Speaker 1: Are you A lot of people, like a disproportioned number
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  Speaker 1: of people, are terrified of dentists, which I don't really
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  Speaker 1: understand because I don't really hurt these days anywhere.
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  Speaker 2: I actually said to the danist, I mean I just
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  Speaker 2: had a tooth extraction. I was like, that was completely
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  Speaker 2: pain free. That's not what it was like twenty years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what about you, Cookie? Do you do you go
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  Speaker 1: the dentist regularly?
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  Speaker 2: I do? I do.
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  Speaker 3: I used to hate it when I was a kid
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  Speaker 3: because I remember getting a tooth, getting the drill and
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  Speaker 3: being told I was crying and she said, don't be
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  Speaker 3: a baby.
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  Speaker 2: And the dentist.
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  Speaker 3: You know, when the dental van used to come to
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  Speaker 3: your school. What a terror, What a terror that was.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think getting a tooth out
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  Speaker 1: in the back of a fucking high ace is a
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  Speaker 1: great plan. Fucking now, sitting on a fucking egg crate
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  Speaker 1: with Brian, with suppliers going, You'll be right, just hold
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  Speaker 1: on to this, hold on to this fluffy toyck. Those
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  Speaker 1: those days are gone.
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  Speaker 2: Fuck.
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  Speaker 1: That's probably still the day to day operating system in Devonport,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it. Shout out to all our friends in Devonport. Fuck,
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  Speaker 1: you know we just lost both listeners.
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  Speaker 2: Ye oh dear, he's on one today. We can tell now.
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  Speaker 2: Did you get a workout in this morning, Craig, Yeah, I'm.
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  Speaker 1: I'm training in an hour and fifty one minutes with
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  Speaker 1: the crab as is my normal sixteen hundred appointment. But
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  Speaker 1: I'm good. I took some creatinine before. This is not
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  Speaker 1: where we intended to go, but we never go where
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  Speaker 1: we intended to go. We'll get there. But I've started
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  Speaker 1: using creatine somewhat religiously in a way that I never
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  Speaker 1: have in my life, not stupidly. Just five grams a day, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I take it about now. I literally took it ten
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  Speaker 1: to two. And again this is not a recommendation anyone,
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  Speaker 1: but for me. I take NMN and I take another
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  Speaker 1: thing called trimethyl glycine, and I take that. I mix
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  Speaker 1: it all together my brain because and it ain't a
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  Speaker 1: placebo because I didn't expect anything, but my brain works
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  Speaker 1: better like one hunt. Not one hundred percent better, but
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  Speaker 1: one hundred percent. It's effective. So I reckon. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's a ridiculous guess, but I reckon. I'm twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: five percent better, like my more energy, better focus. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there is.
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  Speaker 2: Very good research now upo the briand and cognitive benefits
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  Speaker 2: of creating which and I talk about it all the time,
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  Speaker 2: my tox and I say everybody should be taking creating
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  Speaker 2: five grams a day, because if we think about it,
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  Speaker 2: we have three energy systems in the body, right, we
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  Speaker 2: have aeral big energy system, then we have our diacolytic
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  Speaker 2: energy from our anaerobic energy system, and then we have ATPPC.
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  Speaker 2: So ATPPC you know, as you know, graig is typically
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  Speaker 2: sprint fast par explosive stuff last about ten seconds. But
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  Speaker 2: the PC stands for fossil creating. And it turns out
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  Speaker 2: that creating can actually cross the bloodbeing barrier and fuel
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  Speaker 2: your brain sales. And it's actually been shown to be
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  Speaker 2: really effective if you've had poor sleep, because we know
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  Speaker 2: that your cognitive performance drops off a cliff with per
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  Speaker 2: sleep and creating Emily, it's the decline in cognitive performance
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  Speaker 2: after a bad night sleep.
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  Speaker 1: That's interesting. You say that because I read day. When
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  Speaker 1: I say I read a paper, you and I both
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  Speaker 1: know when I say I read a paper, I read
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  Speaker 1: the fucking synopsis and the results. I read the intro.
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  Speaker 1: But they did a study recently which you may or
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  Speaker 1: may not have read exactly what you are talking about,
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  Speaker 1: using creating to a milia ate orgate whatever, shitty sleep.
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  Speaker 1: But they used thirty grams a day.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, thirty grams a day people, not on the Gary
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  Speaker 1: Glitter fucking hell.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a lot of work, right, cockney rhyming slang. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I got it. Personal upset.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so on the ship he means.
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  Speaker 2: So, actually, you know what, you can't You have to
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  Speaker 2: remove that from cockney rhyming slang now because Gary Glitter
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  Speaker 2: is a pedophyte. Yeah, well so we can't say that anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for bringing that up. Thanks. Well, he's dead, isn't he.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if he's dead or still he might
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  Speaker 2: be dead.
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  Speaker 1: Can you google that?
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  Speaker 2: I hope he's dead because he's an individual. But anyway, he's.
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  Speaker 1: An able fuck And thanks for taking that detour in
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  Speaker 1: our otherwise friendly, come fucking hell to me. So how
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  Speaker 1: do we go from creating to Gary very glitter? But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: So if you're wondering how much is five grams? Everyone,
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  Speaker 1: it's about a flat ish teaspoon depending on the slide,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a level teaspoon, depending on the size of
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  Speaker 1: the tea spurn. But yeah, it is. It's I think
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  Speaker 1: you would know, maybe better than I would make. I
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  Speaker 1: think it's the most researched supplement ever.
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  Speaker 2: It is. It's the most research, un safest actually, so
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  Speaker 2: it's just yeah, I'd say that people get on the
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  Speaker 2: creatine train.
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  Speaker 1: How old are you now?
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  Speaker 2: Fifty three?
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  Speaker 1: How do you feel like? I know this is a
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  Speaker 1: how do you feel?
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  Speaker 2: Though? I actually feel really good at the minute, despite
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  Speaker 2: my recent diagnosis, which I don't think I've told you about.
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  Speaker 2: I went to see I played soccer. Well, I've stopped
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  Speaker 2: playing soccer and because I entered my knee. But I
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  Speaker 2: was playing over thirty five and one of the guys
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  Speaker 2: in my team's a cardiologist. So I'd say to him, Ham,
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  Speaker 2: it what I want to get the full mot that's
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  Speaker 2: a British term. What do you call it? Here? You
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  Speaker 2: put your car in for a service God, and I
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  Speaker 2: just right, I want to get your food diddy right.
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  Speaker 2: So we said, come and see me. Will do the
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  Speaker 2: stress test, We'll do a cardiac MRI, will do your
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  Speaker 2: celtum score, will do all of that. And then he
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  Speaker 2: sat me down and said, look, fitness wise, your heart
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  Speaker 2: is great, but we found a congenital heart defect. You
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  Speaker 2: have yep, I was born with a bi cuspared aortic
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  Speaker 2: valve rather than a tri cuspared aortic valve. So on
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  Speaker 2: January the twentieth, thanking them for open heart surgery.
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  Speaker 1: Fucking hell, did con you? So you've got two instead
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  Speaker 1: of three?
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  Speaker 2: I got a yeah, two leaves, And what happens? You're
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  Speaker 2: supposed to have three leafs in your aortic valve, and
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  Speaker 2: that stills for the listeners, You're left ventricle pump the
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  Speaker 2: blood out up through your aorta, and that's the main artery.
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  Speaker 2: It takes the blood to the rest of your body.
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  Speaker 2: So you've got this valve that's got three leaves, and
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  Speaker 2: it opens and closes, and I'm born. It's about one
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  Speaker 2: I think it was one to two percent of the
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  Speaker 2: population is born with a bicuspid valve, so hopefully two
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  Speaker 2: parts to it. It's deformity and it it over time.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't close properly, so then you start getting a
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  Speaker 2: bit of blood regurgitation. So as it pumps out, some
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  Speaker 2: of it leaks back in the overtime. What can happen?
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  Speaker 2: Then when the ventricle fills up again, there's extra blood
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  Speaker 2: coming leaking back in, so it starts to stretch the
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  Speaker 2: wall of the ventricle. And Ros said to me, he says, look,
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  Speaker 2: what will happen? Because I may symptomatic, right, but he says,
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  Speaker 2: one you'll start to get symptoms at some stage and
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  Speaker 2: you'll be just a bit of shortness of breath and
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  Speaker 2: just going. My fitness is off, and he says, what
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  Speaker 2: will happen? Looks like you just train harder, problem worse,
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  Speaker 2: all right. So he said to me, I'm asymptomatic. There's
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  Speaker 2: they ent did further test. There was very mild regurgitation.
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  Speaker 2: So he said, look, we probably don't need to do
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  Speaker 2: anything for five to maybe ten years, but we need
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  Speaker 2: to observe it. And as soon as you find symptoms,
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  Speaker 2: you need to come in. And I'm like, bug at that.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get it done because my view on this. So
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  Speaker 2: there's opposing views and cordage. Dad's a retired doctor and
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  Speaker 2: he's like, why would you do an operation that you
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  Speaker 2: don't have to do yet? And I said, well, don
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  Speaker 2: I'm ex military. When you go to war, you want
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  Speaker 2: to go to war on your terms, when your opponent
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  Speaker 2: or your adversary is at its weakest and when you're
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  Speaker 2: at your strongest. The longer I wait, the weaker I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to get. Because I'm fifty three, and the longer
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  Speaker 2: I wait, the stronger my opponent is going to get
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  Speaker 2: because it's going to start to stretch the wall a
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  Speaker 2: little bit, and then it's impacting upon your heart function.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm like, no, let's just let's just get it done.
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  Speaker 2: But you know what's interesting, because I was talking about
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  Speaker 2: this history, I walked out of there and the words
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  Speaker 2: of Seneca came into my head, the stoic philosopher. He says,
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  Speaker 2: I pity the man who has never faced adversity, because
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  Speaker 2: he's never faced an opponent, and nobody, not even him,
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  Speaker 2: knows what he's capable of. So I went I went
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  Speaker 2: home and I wrote on my bathroom mirror worthy opponent.
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  Speaker 4: When you were doing that, when you were telling us,
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  Speaker 4: I was I was thinking of San Su yes, w yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I mean yeah, I thought I was about to say
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  Speaker 4: thank you San Sue after that little bloody But I mean.
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  Speaker 1: It actually makes sense, It actually makes sense, And I
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  Speaker 1: think I wouldn't have reacted the way. I wouldn't have
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  Speaker 1: made that decision. I would have waited. But honestly, when
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  Speaker 1: you explain it that way, I think that actually maybe
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  Speaker 1: makes more sense. And I think, so, how do you
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  Speaker 1: feel about that?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 1: How are you?
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  Speaker 2: I wrote a LinkedIn article about why I'm embracing my
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  Speaker 2: upcoming open heart surgery. I kind of walked out, you
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  Speaker 2: know what. So it's interesting because whatever you pay attention to,
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  Speaker 2: your brain commits sales to right. And because I've been
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  Speaker 2: reading so much stoic philosophy and in my PhD so
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  Speaker 2: much about heartiness, right, is that thing? Worthy opponent came
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  Speaker 2: And the next thing that came into my head was,
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  Speaker 2: this is what I've trained for. And I remember just
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  Speaker 2: this little flash of a conversation with a made of mine,
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  Speaker 2: reg We'll say a second n but he's ex Lieutenant
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  Speaker 2: Colonel Sas, Australian SAS and one of the first into
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  Speaker 2: the Iraq War. It was the first Aussie in there.
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  Speaker 2: And when Sadam viated kwie it and I remember talking
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  Speaker 2: to Rege and saying, how did you feel when you
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  Speaker 2: were going in there? And he said, pt it was
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  Speaker 2: a perverse sense of excitement because I knew it was risky.
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  Speaker 2: But this is what I trained for. And often you
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  Speaker 2: hear military people say that, and that's what I thought
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  Speaker 2: as I got into my car. This is what I've
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  Speaker 2: trained for all my life, for this worthy opponent who
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  Speaker 2: will test and develop my skills isn't it. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this is a fucking fascinating discussion because so you got
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  Speaker 2: some health news that would fucking terrify most people, right,
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  Speaker 2: and you and I had.
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  Speaker 1: A brief chat, very brief. We're talking about hypochondria, or
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  Speaker 1: they call it illness anxiety disorder now or somatic symptom disorder, right,
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  Speaker 1: but us all people know it is hypochondria. But like,
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  Speaker 1: not only is illness a really interesting conversation for you know,
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  Speaker 1: the biology and the physiology and the surgery and all
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  Speaker 1: the practical kind of what's what's not working with your
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  Speaker 1: heart or what might not be working and then the
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  Speaker 1: potential surgical resolution to that, of course. But what I
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  Speaker 1: find fascinating, because I'm the mind guy, as are you
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  Speaker 1: in many ways, is your fucking response, like and it
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  Speaker 1: just you know that it speaks to that idea that
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  Speaker 1: in life things happen, and then we tell a story
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  Speaker 1: a story about the thing. So you know, like you
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  Speaker 1: getting that that's just information which has no power or
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  Speaker 1: meaning until you give it. Yeah, right now, if you
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  Speaker 1: had have gone, if you had have been like some
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  Speaker 1: people and you had have gone into fight or flight,
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  Speaker 1: you would have maybe panicked, you would have been in
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  Speaker 1: absolute terror, you would have started straight away to put
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  Speaker 1: yourself in a negative state physically, mentally and emotionally and
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  Speaker 1: potentially spiraled into some kind of episode. It's so interesting
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  Speaker 1: when you hear that. You know you've got a defect
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  Speaker 1: in your heart and sooner or later you're going to
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  Speaker 1: need to have open heart surgery, and you choose to
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  Speaker 1: respond a certain way and not only and it's not
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  Speaker 1: you're not pretending. It's not like, oh, he's just pretending,
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  Speaker 1: like this is literally for you something which is almost
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  Speaker 1: an opportunity for growth and resilience. And you know, I
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  Speaker 1: guess some kind of journey into self awareness and self
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  Speaker 1: understanding maybe, yeah, because.
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  Speaker 2: It's I mean, it comes back to the stoics again
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  Speaker 2: about you don't get to choose your circumstances, but you
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  Speaker 2: get to choose how you react, right, and and Seneca said,
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  Speaker 2: it's not what you endure, but how you endure it
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  Speaker 2: that's important. But I think this comes down to because
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  Speaker 2: it was an automatic reaction, right, It's not bravado. It's
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  Speaker 2: an automatic reaction. And yes, I had the little gremlin
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  Speaker 2: pop up later talking about, hey, what could go wrong?
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  Speaker 2: And so I went and did a whole risk analysis
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  Speaker 2: on it, which we can come back and talk to
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  Speaker 2: about that. But I think this is to do with
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  Speaker 2: myelination in the brain, right, Because whatever you pay attention to,
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  Speaker 2: whatever you think about, starts your brain commits sales to it, right,
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  Speaker 2: and they start to become pathways in the brain. And
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  Speaker 2: just like an animal going through the forest will go
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  Speaker 2: through the easiest path, that's what happens with information. It
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  Speaker 2: come into the brain, it goes down whatever pathway has
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  Speaker 2: been mielinated. And just because you know, because I'm ex military,
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  Speaker 2: and because I've talked about resilience for the last fifteen
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  Speaker 2: years and hardiness for the last few years, which I'm
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  Speaker 2: a much bigger fan of, by the way, and part
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  Speaker 2: one of the hardiness concepts we talked about this previously
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  Speaker 2: is a challenge orientation that high hardiness people view adversity
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  Speaker 2: as challenge and opportunity. And I thought, well, okay, this
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  Speaker 2: is an opportunity for me to get in fantastic shape
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  Speaker 2: because I need to. I'm going into battle. I'd like, Tiff,
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  Speaker 2: you know, who prepares for a boxing fight. I've done
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  Speaker 2: the exact same thing. You know, how are you going
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  Speaker 2: to prepare for a worthy opponent? So right on that
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  Speaker 2: on my bathroom mirror, I've written down my training program
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  Speaker 2: for that worthy opponent. That then is a reminder. So
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  Speaker 2: the beauty of this is that I've now hit the
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  Speaker 2: fifty challenge, the fifty to fifty to fifty to fifty challenge,
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  Speaker 2: which is, you're in your fifty you got to have
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  Speaker 2: a VO two max in your in the fifties, a
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  Speaker 2: resting heart rate below fifty and a heartbeat variability above fifty.
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  Speaker 2: And I had been flirting around the edges of it
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  Speaker 2: for the last couple of years, but now I just
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  Speaker 2: with training for the last eight weeks, I'm buying in
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  Speaker 2: there now right, So every client has a silver lining.
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  Speaker 2: But that's that's that progress check that you know. I'm
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  Speaker 2: I'm I'm well on my way to meeting my worthy
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  Speaker 2: opponent in the in the best ship that I could
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  Speaker 2: be in. And the other thing as well, sorry could
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  Speaker 2: just to write the side is when Ross said to me,
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  Speaker 2: you give me the news, and he says, he said
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  Speaker 2: to me, how do you feel? And I said, I'm
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  Speaker 2: a lucky bastard. I am so lucky that I came
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  Speaker 2: to see you to do a check, because otherwise I
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't know right, and so you could you do get
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  Speaker 2: to choose how you respond. I could have responded, oh
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  Speaker 2: woe is me? You know, conngenderal of the hard defect.
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  Speaker 2: You know what could happen all of that and as
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  Speaker 2: you say, that would send you into a negative spiral,
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  Speaker 2: or I could choose to respond differently. But and this
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  Speaker 2: is where so there's really cool research about challenging threat.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: So if I was to view that situation is threatening
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: and it activates cortisol HPA axis and damages the cardiovascular system.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: And that happens to all people when they view a
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: potential stressor as threatening, but people who viewed as challenging,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: it activates the heat this sam axis sympathetic adrenom ajudery
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: with fire or flight, as people will know, and has
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: a positive impact on the cardiovascular system. So that's nature's
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: way of getting you up for the challenge. But here's
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: the thing that most people don't realize the axis. The
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: half life of adrenaline and nora adrenaline is one or
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: two minutes, so within a couple of minutes it's out
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: of your system. The half life of cortisol more than
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: an R. So when people are constantly thinking about threat
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: and loss, It drives cortisol, and it has damaging and
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: effects on their hearts that are under whole system that
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: can persist for ours. Language is so critical and mindset
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: in the fears of adversity is so critical.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Isn't it weird that some people I think I'm one
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: and your one that So you get some potentially devastating news,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: well for some people they would call that devastating news, right,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: and you go, oh, and then you double down on
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: your training, like you now know you've got a heart defect.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: You double down on all of this, and you rather
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: than backing off or rather than you know, just kind
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: of coasting up until the surgery and looking and putting
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: yourself in cotton wool and getting ready, not that you
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: should do that, of course. So now you've set all
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: of these new fucking goals, right, and so too. And
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Tiff saw this. I was demonstrating. I don't know if
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: I told you this, but about six weeks ago I
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: was in the gym and I was teaching. I was
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: shown Tiff how to do a single leg squat on
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: a very high bench right, so like a one meter
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: high box. And I demonstrated, so put left foot on
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: and just do a single leg squat and it wasn't
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: quite high enough, so I put this rubber matt under it. Anyway,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I fell us over tip from about twenty six feet high. Right,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: I fell from I don't know, my shoulder was probably
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: eight feet off the ground onto the ground on my
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: left shoulder right without tiff. How bad was it?
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: It was so bad And you're not just on the ground.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: You fell onto this raised metal ledge of the squad rack.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: It was so bad.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was thinking about it.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I was trying to get a video of I'll send
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: you you laughter your hours off right, most people feel
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: sick your.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Last did your laugh because that reaction? I actually didn't.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: That's how bad it was, most of it.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: But yeah, no, no, no, And anyway, so I went
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: to So I ended up in emergency, and you know,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: and the dude's like, how on earth you haven't got
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: multiple broken bones? Is astounding, And he goes, what do
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: you do? And I go, I just fucking lift shit
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: all the time, and he goes, whatever, that's why, that's
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: why he goes. Yeah, yeah, he goes, You've got it
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: like a lot of muscle for your age. He goes,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: whatever you do keep doing that, and then he goes
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: to me, but I wouldn't lift anything for about six
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: weeks if I was you, And I'm like sure, sure,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: in my mind, I'm like six hours and you know,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, of course that I was training
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: the next day. But for the last six weeks, I've
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: literally been It's funny because my food has been dialed
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: in my sleep, like fucking because I don't have the
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: level of function that I did in that shoulder. But
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: it's getting better. But I'm actually getting better results in
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: the last six weeks with a fucking handicap, you know,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: because of tweaks, because I'm like so much more intent
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: and serious about you know, because I don't want to
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: go backwards. And it's funny that you know that can
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: be the case, but I guess the opposite. And we
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: spoke briefly about this. I want your thoughts on there.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: So it's hard to get really clear research and I
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: guess understandably. But the Journal of American Medical Association says
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: four and a half percent of people are hypochondriacs or
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: have illness anxiety disorder. The DSM five says one to
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: five percent, and an article which this would be the
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: least of my sources in terms of trustworthiness. But psychology
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: today says five to ten percent of people. But even
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: if we go with a DSM five, which is, let's
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: say five percent, they say four and a half. So
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: oh no, let's go with the journal anyway, five percent,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Like you think about that in Australia, so one percent
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: is a quarter of a million people, so five percent
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: is one point two five million people in the States. Yeah,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: so that's one point two five million people would have
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: anxiety illness anxiety disorder. And you think about the States
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: with three hundred and thirty million, so that would be
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: thirty three million, so give or take sixteen and a
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: half million people who who who panic and create anxiety
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: or have an anxiety response to a problem that doesn't exist,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: you know, and this, and then you think about like
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: any kind of slight and not throwing anyone under the
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: bus here, I'm just having a conversation, But you think about, then,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: speaking of that cordisole response of which you spoke obi one,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: you think about, you don't have a problem, like you're
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: worrying about your stressing about you're creating a cordisole response
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: in reaction to something that isn't real. You do that
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: often enough and then you create something that's fucking real.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, because that chronic cord is all I mean,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you better than anybody with oscar with this
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Cushing's disease. Yes, chronic elevated cordisol is so damaging to
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: the body and the brand. And there's I think there's
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: a number of factors at play here. I think that
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: modern society is creating a generation of people who are
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: half human half mere cut.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Well let's go on, right, what will we call this hybrid?
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know. We need we need to create a
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: new for it, because it's like a new race that
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: has come. And so everybody knows what mayor cats are
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: I think you know, yeah, you see the mayor cats
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: with David Attenborough and that they are and they're up
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: on their hind legs looking for danger, right, always looking
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: for or at least a few of them are always
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: looking on the lookout for danger. And that's what society
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: has become. And I think there's a number of factors
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: at play here. And I've been thinking about this, not
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: not from I hadn't heard those statistics that you were
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: talking about. I was thinking more about mental health issues
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: and anxiety depression. There is I think a number of
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: factors at play. One is too much information human The
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: human brain has never ever meant to take in that
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: much information that we are exposing ourselves to you, and
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: so much of it is negative. Right, there's just negative news.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: You know, we are not supposed to know about millions
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: of people's woes at one time, right, And all of
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: this stuff. And then there's doctor Google, where people can
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: then google stuff. Whenever they have anything at all, they
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: google stuff. And if they have a predisposition to being
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: anxious at all, which we used to call a bit
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: of a worry wart, but now it's medicalized, then they
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: start to catastrophize. Now I think that the stuff that
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: then plays into this. There was an umbrella review published
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: about two months ago into Ultra Process for Consumption. So,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: just to explain for the listeners, a systematic review meta
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: analysis is where you take lots of different studies that
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: have been published on a topic and the researchers weed
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: out the crap and then they pull all the data
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: together and they get stronger data. So an umbrella review
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: is where there's a number of different systematic reviews and
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: meta analys and they pull all of that data together,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: and that's where we start to get pretty strong evidence.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: And then there's this protocol you go through that can
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: enhance the strength of observational evidence. Right, is there animal
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: studies being done that show the same thing as their
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: plausible biological mechanisms? Is there a dose response all of
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: these things? And what this Umbrella review showed that increasing
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: ultra processed foods in the diet increased the risk of
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: anxiety by forty eight percent and common mental health disorder
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: by fifty three percent. Right now in the States, in
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: the United Kingdom, and I would bet my house in
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Australia more than fifty percent of all foods consumed our
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: ultra process crap. So we're eating shit that is negatively
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: affecting our brains. What we're also doing is not moving
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: very much, which is negatively affecting our brains and increasing
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: the risk of anxiety and depression. And then we have
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: all this social media where there's all this upwards comparison,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: right where you're comparing yourself to the best little snapshots
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: of people's lives that isn't really real, but they're more
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: handsome than you. They're richer than you, they're in better
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: shape than you, and that creates a negativity bias in
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: the brain, and all of these things feed into each other.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: So I think when you have a brain that has
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: been then primed to be predisposed to anxiety depression, and
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: then you combine that with access to all of this
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: health information and stuff on the news, that's maybe just
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: lingering in the back of people's minds. I'm not surprised
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: that it's five percent, and wouldn't be surprised if it
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: if it was ten percent per psychology today. But this
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: is my point about we are creating a generation of meerkats,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: and not to detract from this subject. We can circle
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: back to this one though. But the other thing is
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: constantly talking about feelings, and with kids constantly being asked
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: how they're feeling and being in touch with their feelings
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that makes it fucking worse. Guess what
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: happens if you're constantly being asked do you feel okay?
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Do you feel sad? Do you feel depressed? On the fuck?
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Maybe I do, right. I think it's just becoming worse.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: And I actually think that the mental health industry is
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: minting clients. Yeah, yeah, just like the Central Bank mints
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: money every now and in it prints it. Because you
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: talked about the DSM and Professor Mark Horowitz, who was
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: on my podcast, has said there's been a progressive loosening
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: of the guidelines for mental health issues in DSM and
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: the case for antidepressants, and he said, according to the
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: newest DSM, eighty five percent of adults in Australia meet
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: the criteria for being on an antidepressant.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, back back.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Also, sorry, just to throw this into the eighty five percent,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: I believe of anti of psychiatric medication in this country
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: is prescribed by non psychiatric doctors.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it is a slippery slope. And I mean,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: you've got to be careful, don't you what you say?
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: But I'm with you. It's like there are people with
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: obviously people with real mental health issues who really need
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: to be looked after and all of that. But you
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: get to the point where I don't think she'd mind.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you a quick story. Oh, by
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: the way, have I spoken to you about that book
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: called Bad Therapy?
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Paul, I've got it. I'm reading it. Breton.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: How good is that?
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Everybody needs to read that book.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Yep, so it's by I think her name is Abigail Shreyer,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: isn't it. Yeah, yeah, and yeah great. But essentially she's saying,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: for some people, talk therapy makes it worse.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Correct, And the research is clear on this right that
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: for not quite a lot of people, talk therapy mixed
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: stuff for us. And again I will reinforce what you said, Greg,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: this is this is not about judgment. We're not judging
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: anybody here at all. We're just talking about what the
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: science actually says.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: I had a young girl that trains often with Tiff.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Her name's Ash, so Ash has been on the show.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: She's great. She lost a seventy kilos Paul, So she
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: went from one thirty or it might have been seventy five.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: I got a massive amount of weight. And this is
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: not giving anything away. She had she didn't have lap band.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: She just lost it with exercise and great diet. And
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: you know, she did an amazing job. Then she had
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: surgery because of the skin. And now she's been training
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: for a while and she trains really well. But she's
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: young and fit and strong and healthy. And the other
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: day she was in the gym and and you know,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I have this whole. I call them my merry band
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: of misfits, all these people that I kind of help
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: about six or seven tips in the rotation, and people
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: just people just turn up when I go well, look
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: like people ring me and go what time are you
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: at the gym? And then like I don't go to
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: the gym to train anyone. I say, this is when
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: I will be there. If you turn up, I'll tell.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: You what to do. Right.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: So she's one of them. Anyway. The other day I'm
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: training and about three times she's like through the session,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: why are you so mean to me? Why are you
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: so hard on me? Why are you so mean to me?
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: And I'm like, I just didn't say anything, didn't say anything.
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: And at the end I go, come over here, champ,
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: and she's like, oh am, I in trouble, you know,
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: and people I go, no, I just sat it down
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: and I go, okay here. Firstly, it ain't my job
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: to make you feel good, and she's like, you know how,
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: and I said, this is my job.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: My job is to help you the best version of
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: you can that you can be in the gym, to
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: explore your physiological potential. You're like, from where you've come,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: you're fucking amazing. However, you are not training hard, but
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: you think you're training hard. I go, you've got a
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: story in your head of how hard you're training. This
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: thing called rate of perceived exertion, right, which is your
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: assessment of how hard you think you're working. You think
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: you're working at eight or nine, you're working at four.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I said, I'm not telling you this to make you
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: feel bad. I'm telling you this because I want you
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: to have a fucking revelation and train at a level
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: that's really going to create some kind of adaptation, which
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: is what you want. What you want is change, what
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: you want is improvement. And it's just sitting there and
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: I go, I'm not I'm telling you this because you've
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: got more potential than you realize. But every time you
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: go to me, ah ah ah, I go, you're fucking
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: yourself up and it's annoying, right, and it makes me
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: want to train you less. So anyway, she went home
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: and then she sent me a big long message going,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: thank you for the talk. I realized, blah blah blah.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: And then I saw her maybe three or four days later.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: She goes, you were right. She goes, I'm so much
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: like she's been training herself. She goes, I didn't realize
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: how fucking strong. Well, she didn't say, fuck how strong
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: I am? And I go, right, I go, here's the thing,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: like when you are not that everyone needs to train
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: like a maniac. But we have a story in our
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: head about what is hard. Yes, and when you believe
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: the story, it's hard.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: I go, mane, that's I go.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: You're twenty seven years old, you've got no injuries, and
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: you've been training for years. You don't know how, you know,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Like when Tiff came in, because Tiff, Tiff does have
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: a higher threshold naturally, and she'd been boxing and punched
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: in the face. Yes, shit like her you know, work
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: is Yeah, her level was straight up in eight or nine.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to throw Ash under the bus
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: because we love Ash. But if I'd say to Tiff,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: do who you know? Like she was deadlifting over one
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: hundred k's in weeks, in weeks of having started deadlifting,
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean some people train for five years
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: and never get close to that, you know. So yeah,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: but it is just that I think we've got to
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: be aware of our stories and hit the pause button,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: you know, it's like your story is this is a challenge. Fuck,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: this is good. I'm ready, you know, And that I
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: just think, rather than rather than being the victim of
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: your circumstances, just hit the pause button. And that's not
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: to say there are no victims there. Of course, there
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: are very real victims, and there are legitimate terrible situations.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: But just being able to kind of, I guess, create
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: our own reality consciously rather than have it created for
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: us by external forces that we think we can't control.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And that story about what hard that applies
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: not just to training but to life in general and psychologically.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: And that's what I was getting at with the meerkats,
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: is that and when you're constantly focused and like your
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: bringing commits sales to whatever you pay attention to. So
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: all of this attention on feelings and mental health I
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: think is making stuff a lot worse. And I think
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: the higher up you are on and this is that
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: there's no evidence for this whatsoever. Right, it's just a
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: hunch that I had the other day. The higher up
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: that we get on Maslow's hierarchy of needs, the more
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: prone we become to becoming meerkats, right, because we don't
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: have real problems like you talk about real but I
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: mean everybody. I'm fucking sick to the back teeth of
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Australians talking about how hard life is. It's not frigging
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: hard in this country, even for the people who are
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: doing it tough. That's not hard. Right. If you're over
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: the twenty seven you have outlived the average individual who
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: lived in the sixteen fifties. If you have a roof
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: over your head and running water and food security, you
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: got a better than ninety nine point nine percent of
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: homost appiens who have ever walked this earth. I'm fucking
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: sick of this. Life is so hard in this country.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: It's not for the vast majority of people, but it's whatever.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: It's to your point, it's not just about the story
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: that we tell us, but it's about our experiences as well.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: So I like to talk about a catastrophe skill and
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: there are people who talk about their anxiety or their trauma,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: and all it is is being done by a boyfriend
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: or going into an exam, right, And I hate the
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: dilution of this word trauma that is now out there.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: And you know what I heard today? A moral injury? Fuck?
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: See it, Like, what's a moral injury, moral injury.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: What about me calling you a count moral injuries?
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: That's a moral injury. Yes, And it's like we have
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: just become meerkats, like completely uber sensitive to anything, like
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: you want to see life or go and live in
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Sudan right now. You see last week there was there
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: was a guy come in and killed over one hundred kids.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Go and live in Burma right now. People have no
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: idea what's been going on in Burma for the last
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: two years, that civil war, and there are tens of
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: thousands of people who've been being killed over there in Somalia,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: like the shit that's happening there as well as I mean,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: everybody's aware obviously of Gaza and the atrocities that happened
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: in Israel and nigh in Lebanon, but there's a whole
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: heap of shit happening all around the world, and there
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: are families all around the world who just cannot afford
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: to feed their kids. Right and then we've got people
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: in Australia with forty nch TVs and fucking highphilons talking
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: about high hide lifers. I'm over it.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and also further to that, it's like, hey,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: can you get up out of your chair and walk.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Can you turn on a tap and get cold water?
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Can you push a button then the room gets cooler
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: or warmer? Do you have a car?
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: Do you like?
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Can you you know? I like when I meet Joel,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: my friend who was also in the military and is
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: now quadriplegic. He's been on the show a couple of time.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Joel Sardi. Just you know, like it
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: takes him three four hours every morning to get ready,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: just to be able to to start the day. Yeah,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: you know, and he's got to have any My mindy
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: saying this is, you know, he's got to have a
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: nurse come in and stick a suppository up his ars
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: so he can clear his bows. And then he's got
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: to washed. Somebody's got to wipe his ass, wash his
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: ass and do all. You know, Now, tell me about
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: your trauma. Well, now tell me about how hard. And
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: we're not, of course, you know, we know people do
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: have real trauma. We're not discounting that, but.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: It is, you know, it's like it's the difference between
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: between capital T trauma and small T trauma. So trauma
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: the original definition was a genuine concern for your own life,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: of the life of a loved one who's somebody who's
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: close to you. Right, it was something like that, it's
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: not forbetum. But now it's been completely diluted, as have
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: lots of the other criteria for mental health issues, and
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: then people are expecting to have, you know, feelings are
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: being medicated and medicalized ni You know, we look at
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: when people that I know several people who are on
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: antidepressants because a loved one died. That didn't happen thirty
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: or forty years ago. Right. That's and the research is
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: really clear is that most people when a loved one dies,
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: they really struggle for three to six months and then
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: they slowly get better by themselves. But what's happening is
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: these people are going to see the doctor within a
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: week and the doctor is going, right, bomb, you have
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: an antidepressant, and then a year later, two years later,
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: they're still only antidepressant. Now that brings to mind creg
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: There's one thing I just thought I would pull up
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: here a research paper by John Reid, who is either
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: clinical psychologist or psychiatrist at the School of Psychology at
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: the University of East London, and he's published a number
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: of different papers and one of these was experiences of
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: five hundred and eighty five people when they tried to
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: withdraw from anti psychotic drugs. Reported classical withdrawal symptoms including nausea, tremor's, anxiety, agitation,
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: and headaches, and quite a few of them reported having
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: frequent insomnia and feelings of a suicidal ideation.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: And he has also published research papers on antidepressants and
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: the side effects from them, and they are it's a
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: horror show, right, And I'm going off the top of
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: my head on this one because I don't have it,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: have it with me right now. But it was something
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: like sixty percent of people prescribed an antidepressant report feeling
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: not like themselves. A chunk of them get suicidal thoughts.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: I think about fifty percent of them report having sexual
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: dysfunction that can often persist for years. Actually, here, just
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: find something, right, So this is a research paper and
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: I'm I'll happy to send the link. Right. Fourteen hundred
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: and thirty one patients from thirty one different countries right,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: all on antidepressants peer reviewed stuff find that sixty one
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: percent of patients reported at least ten side effects, most
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: common feeling emotionally numb, seventy one percent, feeling foggy or detached,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: seventy percent, feeling not like myself sixty six percent, sexual
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: difficulties sixty six percent, sixty three percent drowsiness, reduction in
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: positive feelings sixty percent, suicidality as a result of the
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: drugs fifty percent, withdrawal effects if you try to come
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: off fifty nine percent, and feeling of addiction to the
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: drugs forty percent. And a study of eighteen hundred New
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Zealanders find very similar results and less than five percent
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: of patients were told by these potential side effects. Yes, yes,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: this is the big issue, particularly with non psychiatric doctors
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: precribing psychiatric medication, is that they are not a worthy
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: is because what happened when these drugs got approved. They
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: only tested for a couple of different side effects. And
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: guess what happens if you don't test for certain side
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: effects about them, they don't fucking exist, right. So the
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: warnings and the labels and the stuff that the doctor's
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: getting is these drugs are pretty safe, whereas the experiences
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: of real people say this is far from the truth. No,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: what's clear, and we need to be clear on this.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: If you have major depression. Psychiatric drugs can be a lifesaver,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: particularly combat in combination with psychotherapy, but for most people
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: who are on them, they actually don't need to be
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: on them, and if they were told about all these
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: side effects, probably would say no, particularly when we know
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: that exercise absolutely trump's antidepressant medication in terms of its effectiveness.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Research in Iran showed that saffron is as effective as antidepressants.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Other research shows that certain bacteria are as effective as
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: antidepressants as well, nutrition as well. And if you combine exercise,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: good nutrition, good sleep, hygene takes saffron and take some probiotics.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: I'm sure that the sum there's a summing effect of those.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Well, I think the Unis I did one last year.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: I think that wheeled Down. It might have been the
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: year before last year in December, and yeah, like they
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: exercise was one hundred and fifty percent more effective than
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: the best antidepressant.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I was reading a research paper right now.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Effect of resistance training. Resistance exercise training on depressive symptoms
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: among young adults are randomized control trial, right so for
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: the listeners to understand this, Cohen's d effects size, which
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: you'll understand creed. But point three is a small effects size,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: which means it's slightly better than placebo. Point five I
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: think it's maybe it's point two. Sorry. Point two is
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: a small effects size, point five is a moderate effects size,
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: and point eight is a large effects size. Antidepressants when
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: and this isn't me. This is research by psychiatrists who
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: got the non published data that the pharmaceutical industry tried
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: to hide. When they pull all of that together, antidepressants
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: average out at about zero point three, so marginally better
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: than placebo and generally don't really is are reduced the
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: clinical scores on the Hamilton I think it's the Hamilton
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: thing enough to have a clinical effect, right, So there,
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: But that's not saying that they don't have any effect,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: because placebo actually works as well. Right. But we know
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: that exercise in general has a large effect size about
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: not point Yet this study on young adults with doing
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: resistance training, which hasn't been well studied so far, showed
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: an effect size of one point seven.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Fuckel, what's the name of that paper, bro?
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: It is Effects of resistance exercise training on depressive symptoms
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: amongst young adults. A randomized controlled trial published in Psychiatry Research,
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: So if you're a non academic person, which is a
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: lot of our listeners, you can you can probably find
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: maybe find that in thing called Google.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Google scholar, scholar you just you know what we can
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: we can put that. I can send you a link
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: to it on popmed and people can just click on
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: the link and use it. But that lowse the best
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: antidepressants out of the water.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: But the problem is doesn't make anyone. It doesn't make
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: anyone any money.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: Bro.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's hard. It's harder to do than than
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: popping a pill. Right, So this comes back in the
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: stories that we tell ourselves.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: It's inconvenient, it's uncomfortable, it's not fucking quick, it's not instant. Well,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: it is actually pretty quick. You do get you know,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: you might not build muscle rapidly, but you'll definitely get
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: symptom reduction quite quickly when you start lifting weights, usually
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: within a few days.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And so for me, I'd love to see it
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: where people go to the doctor and the doctor goes
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: and I know a couple of doctors who do something
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: similar to this. The doctor writes her two different scripts,
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: one script for an antidepressant and one script for exercise right,
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: and what they should do is handle scripts over and
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: go here's the one for the antidepressant. This is going
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: to be less effective. And here's all the side effects.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: It's a seventy one percent chance your feeling number, seventy
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: percent chance you feel foggy, sixty six percent you won't
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: feel like yourself, fifty percent chance you'll be suicidal, sixty
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: percent chance you'll have a reduction and positive feelings and
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: be drowsy, or I can prescribe you this exercise one.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: And the side effects are there's a small risk of injury,
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: and there's a reasonable chance that you might get in
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: better shape and get more rooft mcgofty.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: Hoofty mcgufty. Before we wind up, how'd you play I today?
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Go on?
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: What's the update? Where are you at?
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I am. I've analyzed all of the psychological
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: data that we tested, so we've got statistically significant improvements
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: in hardiness both of control, challenge and commitment, statistically significant
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: improvements in mood, and significant reductions in perceived stress. What
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: I've now got to do is get and analyze all
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: the data around heart rate variability and cognitive function.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: So fuck all, you've got not much to do. What's
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: your what's your what's your at?
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: I do you reckon on completing the entire PhD?
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: On on handing all your shit in and if if
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: if if.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: And it's a big if IF. I think I'll get
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: two papers out of this study. I'll get one on
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: the baseline interactions between the psychological data, the heart rate
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: variability and the cognitive function, and then I'll get another
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: paper on the the intervention itself. Hopefully that will be
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: enough to get my PhD by publication. If it's not,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: I have to go and do another study, which I'll
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: probably do in the military, but that'll add another six
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: to eight months. So best case scenario is I finish
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: on time in about April next year, but it may
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: end up being next Christmas. I think you're going to
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: beat me, you bastard. I don't know.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: I might just I don't, I don't know. I've got
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: a I'm writing three papers at the moment and a thesis,
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: so I also a systematic literature review and you know
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: how quick they are?
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Nice?
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, Paul Taylor, Tiffany and Cook tiff
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: show is called Roll with the punches. Of course the
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Paul Taylor Show. Anything you want to plug mate, while you're.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Here, I should probably plug yours the you project to
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: my listeners.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: We could do that. We could do that. Yeah, we
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: should get together and do something next year in our
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: spare time.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let me shore that.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: We've always talked about that. But you and I should
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: do a one day thing. Tiff can MC the day.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that will be all subject to me defeating
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: my was the opponent and not the other way around.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll try not to die, actually try not to die.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: I couldn't ask most people this, and I wouldn't, but
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: fuck at you and me are the what are the
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: chances that it doesn't work out? Great? I'm sure you've
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: looked at that.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Of course I've looked at it. It is less than
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: one percent for that procedure. And the way I look
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: at that is, well, that's everybody who's been through the operation,
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: and I'll kind of back myself against others. But interesting
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: you say that, because I did a whole risk analysis, right,
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: So you can't just bury your head in the sand
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: on this. So the way the way I look at
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: risk is what's the chance of the outcome? So not
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: my case, probably half a percent, maybe less, But what's
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: the impact if it does happen, And in my case massive, Right,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: So that's why I'm actually going back to the UK
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: just before Christmas, see my folks and see all my metes.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: I'm going to have a just in case party, and
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: I'm going to have a just in case party for
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: my friends here in Australia, and the theme will be
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: a heart and I think i'll dress up as the
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: Grim Reaper.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: You're a fucking idiot. Are you telling your friends and
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: family at home that it's a justin Kaise party?
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell them when we when we kick it off. Yeah,
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: for sure, it's Kira making a heart cake. It is Cara. Yes,
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: I'm going to I'm going to get Kiara to make
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: me a heart cake. But in all seriousness that the
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: one thing that I am doing is also getting my
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: EFFURSI in order, because it would be remissive me not
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: too write. And I think the trickiest thing is going
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: to be I'm lucky that my kids are no interest
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: in listening to my podcast, right. I think the hardest
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: thing in all of this is going to be I'm
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: going to.
• 54:55
  Speaker 6: Be recording videos for my kids for like their twenty
• 55:00
  Speaker 6: first birthday party, for their for their weddings, for that
• 55:04
  Speaker 6: sort of shit, and just in kiss right, I love that.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: I know TIFs traumatized by that, but I love it.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: Firstly, you got half traumatized and half thinking of that
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: beautiful show, Pierce. I love you how beautiful.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: I've got no idea what that shows.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: I don't got no idea what that is. Either.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: We're both doing fucking PhDs. We don't watch TV, and.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: We're both fucking We're both we're both bullf eds. So
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: fucking yeah, all right, well mate, you fuck You'll be
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: fine because we need to do some work together next year.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: But we appreciate you. We'll say goodbye our fair of
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: course we'll talk. I better get invited to your fucking
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: just in Case party, the Australian version two, by the way.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: And I tell you what, you better turne up in
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: fancy dress so you're not getting in.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: What's Is there a theme or just anything?
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: Heart? It's a heart theme?
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Hell that that's kind of I might have to jump
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: on bloody chat GPT for some ideas.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: Indeed, Man good old Better's military gallous humor you can't
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: beat it.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right mate, I appreciate you. Thanks Buddy, Thanks Tiff, cheers, gotcha,