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HR2: Live from Training Camp 2026 Day 6 · In the Locker Room presented by Neighborhood Ford Store (Pittsburgh Steelers)

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  Speaker 3: And welcome back to Saint Vincent College in the trope
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  Speaker 3: where you are inside the locker room with Max Starks, myself,
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  Speaker 3: Rob King, We thank you very much for being with us.
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  Speaker 3: We are talking of offensive line, all things offensive line
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  Speaker 3: because of how important it is to this team, and
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  Speaker 3: so Max, you know, the Troy Foultano really looked good
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  Speaker 3: last year at right tackle, just got better and better,
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  Speaker 3: and his first year as the starters, the season went along,
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  Speaker 3: and then you know Mason McCormick, right next to him
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  Speaker 3: a year plus. Starting that duo seemed to look good. Well,
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  Speaker 3: now you draft a haunt a chour and you flop
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  Speaker 3: those guys to the left side. And there was there
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  Speaker 3: was thoughts. There are a lot of thoughts about Troy foul Tan.
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  Speaker 3: It was such a good player that a lot of
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  Speaker 3: people thought, Hey, he could be an all world guard,
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  Speaker 3: he could be a really good starting tackle. Well they've
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  Speaker 3: kept him at the tackle position, and you know, I
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  Speaker 3: don't think they've even entertained the guard thing. That was
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  Speaker 3: more people talking, Yeah, but anyway, don't know about these
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  Speaker 3: cookies by the way, Yeah don't. You'll be answering and
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  Speaker 3: I'll be eating soon. So the we got a little
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  Speaker 3: punch he here in the trope. So you move those
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  Speaker 3: two guys. What is the biggest first of all, talk
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  Speaker 3: about the difficulties of a tackle moving from one side
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  Speaker 3: to the other, even if you have experience at both
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  Speaker 3: of those positions.
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  Speaker 4: Well, the first thing that you have to worry about
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  Speaker 4: is mentally switching over plays. Now, the good thing is here,
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  Speaker 4: this is a unique situation for Troy. This is all
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  Speaker 4: a brand new offense, right, this is a brand new terminology.
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  Speaker 4: So he's not carrying over old scheme habits to the
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  Speaker 4: other side, so coming into this he can kind of
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  Speaker 4: be relatively new. The thing that he's going to be
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  Speaker 4: fighting more is biomechanicska, meaning physiologically, he's taken so many
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  Speaker 4: reps at right tackle over the past year right that
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  Speaker 4: you have to now retrain your body to kick the
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  Speaker 4: left leg back as opposed to keeping you up as
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  Speaker 4: a post leg and work on a different angle in
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  Speaker 4: the opposite direction than what you're used to, and just
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  Speaker 4: doing enough reps to be comfortable with that new neuropathway
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  Speaker 4: okay for his body and for him, that was the
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  Speaker 4: biggest thing, you know, left foot back, right foot forward,
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  Speaker 4: you know, versus the other way around at the right
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  Speaker 4: tackle position. And then how do I see things now?
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  Speaker 4: You know you're a little bit more left eye dominance
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  Speaker 4: for your outside edge versus your right eye dominance. You know,
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  Speaker 4: you're worried about more reactionary to the inside. You're trying
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  Speaker 4: to keep a guy wide to your left and he's
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  Speaker 4: going to be lining up to the left, so you
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  Speaker 4: need to be able to keep an eye on him
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  Speaker 4: while also keeping an eye on the ball. Those are
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  Speaker 4: the kind of the little physiological things that you have
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  Speaker 4: to change and then flipping the plays. In your mind,
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  Speaker 4: you're used to a tube being to your side. Now
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  Speaker 4: it's a three or an odd number to the left,
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  Speaker 4: even number to the right at the flip. What the
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  Speaker 4: strength is to me when I hear a play call
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  Speaker 4: and when I'm digesting it. So those are kind of
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  Speaker 4: the subtle differences you have to make, and so for
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  Speaker 4: Troy so far has not been an issue.
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  Speaker 3: So for example, like if you're playing left tackle, if
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  Speaker 3: you're playing right tackle, this is fairly obvious and I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if this happens to you quickly, but your
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  Speaker 3: first move is going to be TJ. Here comes TJ.
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  Speaker 3: Watt your right tackle. Your first move is to drop
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  Speaker 3: step back with your right leg and try to square
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  Speaker 3: up to them. The left tackle, obviously, your first step
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  Speaker 3: is to drop back with your left leg to square
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  Speaker 3: up to that pass rusher who's trying to beat you
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  Speaker 3: on an outside path? Is that what you're kind of
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  Speaker 3: talking about, as far as the neudological pathways and that
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  Speaker 3: sort of thing.
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  Speaker 4: My push leg on the right side is my left leg,
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  Speaker 4: so I'm pushing from the inside out to my right
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  Speaker 4: and then your right leg is Now what we call
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  Speaker 4: it gather the gather step or the gather leg. Right,
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  Speaker 4: you're pushing so far forward that the right leg now
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  Speaker 4: keeps you in balance because it's sticking in the ground
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  Speaker 4: and you're sliding your left leg. Flip that left side.
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  Speaker 4: Now I'm pushing off with my right leg to go left,
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  Speaker 4: and now my left foot is my gather step or
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  Speaker 4: my gather foot to bring me back to balance. It's
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  Speaker 4: a complete opposite of what you been doing. So that's
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  Speaker 4: where the neurological side of it comes into it, and
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  Speaker 4: so you have to get comfortable with that. And in
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  Speaker 4: traditional circumstances, I'll say this, that progression comes a little
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  Speaker 4: bit slower because you're not getting as many reps. Well,
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  Speaker 4: here in the Mike McCarthy camp, everybody goes back to school, right,
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  Speaker 4: like Rodney Dangerfield. We're going back to school, guys. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and he's getting a lot more reps than he normally
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  Speaker 4: would on a daily basis. To speed up that process,
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  Speaker 4: to get more comfortable, to make it easier to hit
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  Speaker 4: the triple, Indy, exactly. That's right. You got to be
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  Speaker 4: able to hit that triple Lindy. I mean, you know
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  Speaker 4: it's a ten meter board up there. This is, this
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  Speaker 4: is this is not just a little you know, a
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  Speaker 4: little one meter board right off right off the pool
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  Speaker 4: that's in your backyard.
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  Speaker 3: I just can I just since you brought since you
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  Speaker 3: brought up that movie, can I just tell you that
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  Speaker 3: one of them as an English literature major in college.
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  Speaker 4: That was my major.
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  Speaker 3: And if anybody out there is ever sat in an
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  Speaker 3: English class in college, you know what this is like.
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  Speaker 3: If you've ever majored in it, you know what this
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  Speaker 3: is like. Three times a week, five days a week,
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  Speaker 3: three times a day, five days a week.
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  Speaker 4: For four years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, what do you think of what's your interpretation
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  Speaker 3: of what so and so means here?
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  Speaker 4: Well?
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  Speaker 3: I think it's kind of a Freudian suko.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, and you're.
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  Speaker 3: Just like, what is this dude talking about? What is
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  Speaker 3: my fellow student talking about? He's just making up worse.
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  Speaker 4: So in the movie, in the movie back to School.
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  Speaker 4: So that's everybody.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody's got an interpretation, and it's you know, it's always
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  Speaker 3: deeper than you think.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes you're like, why I didn't wring that. I never
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  Speaker 4: thought about that anyway.
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  Speaker 3: So, So Rodney Dangerfield goes back to school and he is, uh,
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  Speaker 3: he needs to write a paper on Kurt Vonnegut, right,
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  Speaker 3: but he doesn't have time because he's running his business
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  Speaker 3: and he's looking after his son. So he calls up
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  Speaker 3: Kurt Vonnegut, who's a friend of his, and writes a
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  Speaker 3: paper and he gets like a d on it. And
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  Speaker 3: the woman says, well, whoever wrote this paper clearly has
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  Speaker 3: no idea about Kurt Vonnegut.
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  Speaker 4: And k wrote the paper, So that's I love that.
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  Speaker 3: That's like the revenge for the English seat you like,
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  Speaker 3: or English student you're like, That's exactly what it's like
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  Speaker 3: to be not Okay, I've listened, love you all, all
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  Speaker 3: you English professors out there. I'm not trying to pick
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  Speaker 3: on you anyway. So so learning all this new stuff,
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  Speaker 3: hitting the triple Lindy out there on the left side,
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  Speaker 3: is the hardest part, The neurological part.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think. I think it's the hardest. The hardest
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  Speaker 4: part because you're fighting your nature, right, You're fighting what
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  Speaker 4: your experience is telling you, what your body is conditioned for.
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  Speaker 4: You're fighting all of that conditioning and programming. So I
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  Speaker 4: think that's where it becomes the toughest part is counteracting
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  Speaker 4: what you've been taught and what you've been doing for
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  Speaker 4: the last year. You've only been a right tackle, You've
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  Speaker 4: only taken right tackle snaps, and now this year be
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  Speaker 4: the left tackle. Believe the left tackle breed the left tackle.
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  Speaker 4: You are the left tackle, and so you're fighting all
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  Speaker 4: of that extra stuff that you had before. Throw it
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  Speaker 4: out the window. We're starting from the ground floor again.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that's what it is now. The blessing
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  Speaker 4: that he has is he's done it before. This isn't
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  Speaker 4: the first time he's had to do this. Whereas Broderick Jones.
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  Speaker 4: When Broderick came in Projerick was just a left tackle
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  Speaker 4: and then had to learn to play right tackle. Troy
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  Speaker 4: at least has experience in college playing both, so it's
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  Speaker 4: not as tough a transition because he's already gone through
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  Speaker 4: it one time.
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  Speaker 3: So have you, I'm trying to think. I know you've
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  Speaker 3: been to Portugal, right, So have you ever been to
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  Speaker 3: one of the British aisles where you drive on the
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  Speaker 3: other side of the road?
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  Speaker 4: One time? Okay, and I'll never do it again.
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  Speaker 3: So I do it all the time when we travel
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  Speaker 3: over there. My daughter lives in Scotland. When we go
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  Speaker 3: over there, I said all the time, like I'm there
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  Speaker 3: twice a year.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not.
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  Speaker 3: But in the times that I've been over in Ireland
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  Speaker 3: and Scotland, I love to drive myself. I like to
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  Speaker 3: poke around and see different things, so I want to
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  Speaker 3: be behind the wheel of a car. So you're driving
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  Speaker 3: on the wrong side of the road, which is a
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  Speaker 3: little freaky, and I'm trying to I'm wondering if this
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  Speaker 3: is similar. And then right when you think you've got
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  Speaker 3: it down because you're concentrating so hard on it, something
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  Speaker 3: will take over, like the way you've always done it
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  Speaker 3: for decades as a driver like me, and you'll come
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  Speaker 3: up to like an intersection and.
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  Speaker 4: You will just out you will be in the wrong place.
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  Speaker 3: Right, You're going around and round about yeah, and you're thinking, okay,
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  Speaker 3: I want to I need to go to the right.
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  Speaker 3: Well you actually need to go to the left. And
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  Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, and I've been there, man.
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  Speaker 3: You know it's your jet lagged and you're leaving an
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  Speaker 3: air you're leaving an airport. You got a rental car,
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  Speaker 3: and you go the wrong way even though you're thinking
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  Speaker 3: about it, and the horns start blaring and they know
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  Speaker 3: it's a foreigner. You know, behind the wheel of a car.
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  Speaker 3: But so no matter how you're thinking about it, I
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  Speaker 3: guess my point is that instinct will take over, and
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  Speaker 3: you've got to be able to drum that instinct out
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  Speaker 3: of you if you want to drive and not get
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  Speaker 3: in an accident and get the people in your car hurt.
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  Speaker 4: Is it that way?
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  Speaker 3: Do you get to a point where that instinct takes
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  Speaker 3: over and you're like, oh, man, I moved the wrong
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  Speaker 3: way because I've done that a thousand times and I've
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  Speaker 3: only done this, you know, ten times, And.
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  Speaker 4: That's exactly what is That's a perfect analogy, apples to apples,
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  Speaker 4: and the roundabout is the perfect example because you know,
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  Speaker 4: first of all, how often do you encounter roundabouts in America?
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  Speaker 3: They're getting more common though, they're getting more and I'll
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  Speaker 3: be a son of a gun if the things don't
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  Speaker 3: work the first time I'm doing them, Like why are
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  Speaker 3: these roundabouts?
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  Speaker 2: Put a light here?
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  Speaker 3: Then I'm like, that's actually a pretty good idea. There's
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  Speaker 3: one outside of us, save it's a college.
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  Speaker 4: There's a roundabout exactly, so you know, you get to that,
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  Speaker 4: And that's a perfect example. Is well, every time I've
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  Speaker 4: gone through a roundabout in America. I go right. But
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  Speaker 4: here I get to this roundabout for the first time,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm on the left side of the road. I
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  Speaker 4: got to go to the left to go right, I
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  Speaker 4: gotta take this long way around. Yes, it's like normally
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  Speaker 4: that's the left turn that takes the long way around.
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  Speaker 4: So that's a perfect example that leads me into it.
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  Speaker 4: You're gonna to a point where a guy's gonna rush
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  Speaker 4: down the middle of you, and your instinct is, oh, well,
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  Speaker 4: I just need to drop my right leg and let
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  Speaker 4: him keep going because that's the path I need him
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  Speaker 4: to go as a right tackle. But I'm on the left.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my god. Okay, I get think the battles that
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  Speaker 4: you're fighting even harder to cut him off. So you
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  Speaker 4: don't kill your quarterback because you just open the barn
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  Speaker 4: door and just allow them a free rush to the inside.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, now here's my next question. So, yes, there is
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  Speaker 3: going to be some differences for Troy Foutano. Now, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I think there's a little bit less big picture question
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  Speaker 3: before I ask you about working with Mason McCormick. A
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  Speaker 3: little bit less of the premiere pass rusher always comes
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  Speaker 3: from the blind side right, So the left tackle has
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  Speaker 3: got to be your best guy. He's got to be
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  Speaker 3: the guy who's gonna get paid. He's the guy we're
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  Speaker 3: drafting in the first round.
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  Speaker 4: Well. TJ.
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  Speaker 3: Watson a great example of a guy who's on the
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  Speaker 3: other side, But Miles Garrett a great example of a
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  Speaker 3: guy who you never know where he's going to line up.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't don't know. Do you think now the
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  Speaker 3: left tackle is still the most important position on the
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  Speaker 3: offensive line? Is it a twins just a little bit
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  Speaker 3: less that we have to have a certain type of
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  Speaker 3: guy there. So my point being Troy was excellent at
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  Speaker 3: right tackle. Is he facing bigger obstacles and bigger changes
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  Speaker 3: on the left tackle spot or has that changed a
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  Speaker 3: little bit because of the way guys move around.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's still an important side because it's still
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  Speaker 4: an important side. Yes, it's still the more important side.
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  Speaker 4: It's still the most important side because the quarterback can't
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  Speaker 4: see right no matter who you put over there. The
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  Speaker 4: quarterback has to trust you right no matter who they
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  Speaker 4: line up. Now they have guys like also go along
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  Speaker 4: with the T. J. Watt and Nick Bosa, you know,
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  Speaker 4: lines up on the same offensive right, defensive left and
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  Speaker 4: is effective from there as a more athletic guy now
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  Speaker 4: at that left side, that the that the right tackle
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  Speaker 4: has to be aware of. It has to be more athletic.
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  Speaker 4: But once again, the quarterback can see an adjust that
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  Speaker 4: a lot easier. Even though those guys are premier guys,
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  Speaker 4: you're still getting the premier guy on the backside because
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  Speaker 4: he's got to be the athletic one that has to
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  Speaker 4: whip the block and he's the one that's going to
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  Speaker 4: give the no man's lamb hit. Yeah, So that's why
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  Speaker 4: I still think left tackle is the most important unless
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  Speaker 4: you have a left handed quarterback. If the quarterback can't
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  Speaker 4: see it, that's still what always makes it just danger.
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  Speaker 4: Will Robinson right, for sure?
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  Speaker 3: I yes, I thank you because you answered in a
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  Speaker 3: way that took my poorly phrased question and put it
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  Speaker 3: into context. I wasn't trying to ask is it still
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  Speaker 3: the most important I was asking is are the are
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  Speaker 3: the players? Are you still going against the premier pass rushers.
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  Speaker 4: For years, you were.
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  Speaker 3: Always going against their best guy, their Lawrence Taylor because
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  Speaker 3: he was going to line up on that blind side
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  Speaker 3: every single time.
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  Speaker 4: Now I think.
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  Speaker 3: There are, but it's still going to be a challenge
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  Speaker 3: obviously moving from right to left. So irrespective of who
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  Speaker 3: those players are, now, what about having a Mason McCormick
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  Speaker 3: come next to him Max?
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  Speaker 4: Is that a big deal?
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  Speaker 3: Those two guys are used to working each other, Now
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  Speaker 3: they're gonna be working. It reminds me of one of
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  Speaker 3: one of the greatest lines of all time. You know,
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  Speaker 3: Fred Astaire was a sorry, I'm going a few times.
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  Speaker 3: Fredis the great dancer Fred and his dance partner was
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  Speaker 3: Ginger Rogers, and you know, they somebody asked her, she's
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  Speaker 3: a great dancer. Obviously, somebody asked her about, you know,
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  Speaker 3: dancing with Fredister. What was it like dancing with somebody
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  Speaker 3: who is that great? And she said, well, don't forget
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  Speaker 3: that I was doing the same stuff that Fred was doing,
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  Speaker 3: only I was moving backwards and I was in high heels.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, good point, Ginger.
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  Speaker 3: So now, right, so now you have these guys, they're
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  Speaker 3: they're they're they're not playing in high heels, believe me,
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  Speaker 3: but they're doing it backward.
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  Speaker 4: Right, they're on the left.
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  Speaker 3: They're together again. Right, they're working in tandem again, but
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  Speaker 3: it's on the left side. Is there going to be
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  Speaker 3: a comfort level with both of those guys being switched.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of times you'd just see we're moving the
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  Speaker 3: right tackle to the left tackle. I thought it was
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  Speaker 3: fascinating that they moved them both to the left side,
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  Speaker 3: So they must think that that's going to help the
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  Speaker 3: adjustment for both of them, that they're a unit. Did
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  Speaker 3: you feel like it was a unit sort of thing
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  Speaker 3: on the offensive line, left tackle, left guard.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I think the combinations matter because they're used to communicating.
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  Speaker 4: They know each other's idiosyncrasies, right, they know they know
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  Speaker 4: how each other ticks. They've talked and communicated and made
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  Speaker 4: calls to each other over the past year, so they
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  Speaker 4: kind of have a familiarity with the voice, the cadence
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  Speaker 4: that they're changing stuff. They could be more nuanced, and
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  Speaker 4: I think that just speeds up that process. Having your
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  Speaker 4: buddy over there with you, and also your buddy is
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  Speaker 4: going to be learning with you. And granted, the guard
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  Speaker 4: is going to be easier learning curve because you're in
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: a phone booth. Right, you have a funnel tackle sideboards,
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: there's a center there's a center sideboard, so you funnel
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: right to the guard. So the guard can be a
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: little bit narrower in stance and it's just a movement
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: thing for him. I think having him next to Troy
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: gives Troy a comfortability and ease of communication because Mason
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: also knows what Troy sees and what he doesn't see,
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: and vice versa. Troy knows what Mason sees and doesn't see,
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: and they're able to communicate with each other, and they
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: also know how each other likes to do things right.
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: You know, if Mason's free and comes for the outside block,
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: he knows that Mason's gonna come check inside and make
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: a B line for the guy that he's blocking is
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: probably gonna knock his block off, So you know that,
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: and you can anticipate because you've had that happen to
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: you in game, so you can anticipate what the support
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: looks like. I can be a little bit more heady
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: on the outside and be more aggressive because Mason's gonna
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: have my inside half right. There's a trust there, So
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: I think that's what really helps when you're thinking about it.
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: And Mike McCarthy cares a lot about those combinations. He
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: cares about those relationships that they have, and that's why
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: he did a full sale sit now. Granted, also Isaac
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: C Amalo's not here, so it presented a vacancy. I
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: don't think you would have moved Mason McCormick over there
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: if Isaac cmalo is still on the roster point, but
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: since we have a question at tackle, we have a
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: vacancy at left guard, I'd rather move both over.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's really interesting. I hadn't even it
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: hadn't even crossed my mind, frankly, that they would do
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: that until they did it. Now will it affect Zach
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: Frasier at all?
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: And that's where the biggest question is, how does Zach
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: react knowing that it's not to his right as a snaphand.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: You know, how's that right guard position? Because you have
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: to think Zach snapping with his right hand, that's that's
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: an unprotected side, so that a gap is he never
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: had to worry because he knew Mason was going to
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: shut the door until he got his hand back up
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: right from snapping the ball underneath his legs. So now
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: who's the new guy. Is that new guy going to
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: protect him the same way on his snaphand interesting as
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: he did in the past. So that's going to be
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: a comfortability or you know, or Zach could be you know,
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: don't you know? That's about how I feel like. That's
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: how Zach talks.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: That's fascinating. I hadn't thought about that with a snaphand.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: So it's a protection thing and how you step because
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: you need to make sure that a gap is sealed
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: and secured until that point seven too point eight second
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: difference where he doesn't have that hand is he's securing
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: the snap to the quarterback under center. Shotguns a little
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: bit quicker because you can get the hand back up
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: because you're not worrying about feel of the quarterback, you know,
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: making sure it gets into his hands and hits the palms.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: So that's gonna be a difference for him. So right
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: now it looks like it's not an issue because Spencer
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: Anderson has obviously been a swing guy on that interior.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: But how does that job look seventeen weeks in a row.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: How does that look from snap to snap, series to series,
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: defender to defender that comes in there. So that's gonna
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: be new for Zach to get used to, is who's
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: on his right, because that's the biggest thing is that
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: you know, Mason was a guy that was looking and
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: was and was there while Spencer was the one tapping
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: the butt and making the calls, or Isaac Camalo was
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: that guy. So now you're flipping those roles. Now, do
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: you carry that over and have Mason do that from
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: the left now so that Spencer can be free of
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: that and all I can worry about is just protecting
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: the snaphand on any given pass play. That's gonna be Well,
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: I'm still waiting to see because we haven't really seen.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: I haven't seen that operation in a live, live situation
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: because normally by team section it's competitive, but it's not
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: like a game. You know.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Boy, I'm so glad I asked that question. It's a
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: great answer because frankly, I was just going to stick
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: with the guard tackle combinations. And I'm glad I asked
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: that question, and I hope fans are glad I asked
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: it too, because it's it's a really I hadn't thought
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: about it. That's why it's so great to have an
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: offense alive and sitting next to me. Yeah, it's good stuff,
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: or all the questions.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: That's good stuff. Well, we're gonna stick out.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: We're gonna get back to that right side of the
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: offense line. Some other news from around camp as well,
• 19:54
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• 19:58
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  Speaker 3: And welcome back to Saint Vincent College in Latrobe. As
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: we're talking offensive line, so you know, I think the
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: expectation is Zach Frazier is going to be absolutely fine.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: We're not worried about that at all. That the left side,
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: whereas you could see a hiccup or two possibly, it's
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: going to be just fine. I want to get to
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: the right side in a moment. But I do want
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: to ask you, do you think that a couple of
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: more reps, maybe a couple of more series, maybe even
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: extra to quarter would benefit those guys on the left
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: side in preseason or do you think they don't need it?
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: I will say this so before I answer your question,
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: I have to make an announcement. Okay, I have now
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: officially switched from the right side to the left side
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: with my headset. Yes, that's good, that's good. It's a
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: big moment. I wanted to make sure everybody knew, and
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: I can tell you that I feel good at the left.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: I feel good at the.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Left right now. So I think you know answer your question.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: So let me tell you why this is important. Okay,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: So people are listening on the radio. I can't see us.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: I'm sitting on the left, which is where I sit
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: in the broadcast when we're calling the games. Max is
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: sitting to the right, and so there we have headsets on,
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: and the headsets there's a little arm bar that comes
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: out and the microphone is in front of your mouth,
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: but it's not quite in front of your mouth. It's
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: a little bit angled to one side. The side that
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: is coming out of the armbar. So when I turn
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: to Max to and I turn to my right, I'm
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: turning toward the microphone. Correct, and so therefore hopefully so
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: now you can't see me on the radio. But now
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: I'm turning to the right, and the audio quality remains
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: the same. And Justin Miller, who's back at the controls,
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: doesn't have to pot up or down my audio. He's happy, exactly,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: said Justin.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: Are you happy? Right now?
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: We have Justin Miller, We have Justin pot yourself up,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Justin let us know if you're happy.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: He might just be so happy that he can't. Yeah.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: So Max had it on the right, so if he
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: would turn to the left and face me, because we're
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: human beings, sentient beings talking to each other, so we're
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: gonna look at each other. Yeah, yeah, then that now
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: he's turning to the microphone. Therefore he's he's moved it
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: from his right side. So if he was turning from
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: his right to his left, he'd be turning away from
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: that microphone. Correct, So so watch out the difference in
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: my audio. So here I'm talking. See, so you can't.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: Have that exactly, And I think making that that that
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: game time because we have new headsets also about it,
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: also new headsets, so getting used to it. And the
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: sound is more focalized, right because the old one was
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: a bigger mount so you could have that variance and
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: it could be on my right side and I could
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: turn left because it had a bigger receiver to catch
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: my voice. This one's a little bit more pointed, almost
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: like a little like mini ice cream cone, and it's directed,
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: so I need to have make sure that I'm on
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: top of it and that you can hear me clearly
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: when I turn away and look at Rob. So I've
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: made that switch to the left side. So well done.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: There you go. We just told you how the sausage
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: was made, and now that I'm on the left side,
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: I can now communicate about left side things.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: So do they will they or do they mean? And
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: again we don't know. Look, there's a lot that goes
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: into into preseason games, some of it.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy's been on load management. He talked about, you know,
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: having a super physical camp early on in Green Bay
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: and his team was fried by week ten, you know,
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: so he doesn't want to do that. So load management
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: is part of this. And but do you think it
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: would be whove those guys to have extra reps. Do
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: you think it doesn't matter that much to have extra
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: reps to see some live things going on as they
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: acclimate moving and I'm talking now about McCormick and fout
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: Tana as they acclimate moving from the right side to
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: the left.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: Side, I think they will get the rest because I
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: think because of the right tackle battle, you'll have to
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: keep them in to get fair comparisons. So I think
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: they will get a couple more rest because you'll have
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: Dylan Cook over there, Maxian Achure right, and you'll also
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: have Brock and Spencer, so you won't have necessarily the
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: swing guys to go over there and relieve them while
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: the others are all right, So you will probably see
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: a little bit more. Thing I thought, again, I trust
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: your lineman, yes, not only on what they see on
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: the field, but also when we're going to eat trust
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: where alignment right now? Oh that's a that's a definite
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: two cardinal rules there. But yeah, so I think you
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: are going to see them a little bit more just
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: because there's an open battle on the right.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: Okay, so let's talk about the open battle on the
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: right because that's going to be a big one. Do
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: you sense that it's going a certain way? And you
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: know what, forget that it's way too early to tell.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: Let let's jump into what it's going to be the
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: main event, because I'm sure we'll get into this as
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: we get closer about the most important things we're going
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: to watch.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: That's going to be one of them. For me?
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Is that right side of the offensive line?
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: Do you think.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: That will have a larger impact than it might normally
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: how these guys perform. So, for example, unless there is
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: a an unexpected oh my gosh, have you seen we
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: got swinging gate in that left side, they're gonna be fine.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Right now, the expectation is gonna be fine. Is it
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: going to be a smooth road? You hope it is.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Is it gonna be bumpy? That wouldn't be unexpected. The
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: right side is all about competing for spots exactly. Yes,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: So I would imagine that those performances and you're trying again,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: I mean like, think about you know, the backup quarterback position,
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: right you want you want whoever that is battling for
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: the backup quarters backspot to not be overwhelmed.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: If they're a young guy.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: But to be given a fair shake against other teams
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: better defenses. So we see it all the time in
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: training camp, geting, Oh my, that running back ran eleven
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: times for eighty eight yards.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah against two Yeah.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: Right, so that is that's important. Yeah, and maybe your
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: third string line is better than their third string line. Okay,
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: well that's not gonna matter because none of those guys
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: are gonna be on your team exactly.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: And you're and it's like, like I said, Michael Parsons
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: isn't playing in this game. He's injured, But you can't
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: extrapolate who the third outside backer is thinking, ah, man,
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: well if that was Michael Parsons, you know he would
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: have done. Know, you don't know, right, you don't know.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: But compared to what they have, our threes are better
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: than your threes. That's great. But can that three be
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: a one? Right? Right? Can that three play up to
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: the level of competing against one level talent? Can they
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: raise their game? All things equal, looks good, but can
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: you raise your game? Can you take it to another level?
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: Can you go another gear to get ready for what
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: NFL starting talent looks like? In week seven? Right in
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: week thirteen, where like its pressure is on the fire,
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: and you've got to make sure that you are playing
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: because you're playing for first place in your division, you're
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: playing for a playoff spot. Can you answer the call
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: and be ready for that guy on third and eight right,
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: he's got his ears pinned back, like that's what you're
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: looking for in this And I think for the preseason
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: you're not necessarily gonna get that because obviously they like
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: shitting them on their first string guys. But the guys
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: you are gonna put out there early in that game,
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: those guys matter because those guys are guys fighting for
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: roster spots. Those are guys are gonna be rotational guys
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: defensively because the same guys don't play every snap. So
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: you're gonna get NFL quality talent and how do they
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: look on from one game to the next. And that's
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: why I think you will see a little more Troy
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: and Mason on the left to make sure you give
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: the right side a fair shake so that Dylan gets
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: fresh reps at right tackle, and then Maxianchure gets the
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: fresh reps and also Broderick Jones gets the fresh reps
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: as much as possible, and then whatever they didn't get
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: in that first game. They'll get it in the second
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: game against the Jets, right, so you're going to see
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: a little bit more of that first line and Aaron's
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: playing in the first two preseason games. Remember that that
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: was what was talked about. Mike McCarthy said, Hey, I
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: want you to play in the in the Green Bay
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: and the Jets game. He's gonna play in the Green
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: Band in the Jets and he hasn't really had meaningful
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: preseason napsince twenty eighteen. So now you got your ace
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: back there. This is the guy you need to ride with.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna keep the best protection out there possible.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, of kind of important, kind of important to keep.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: You can't give a OLA or a lookout block.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no no no no, no, no,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: no no. He's got to be out there. And uh
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: and I think that's I think that's really interesting.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: I'm for it, Max for it. Get out there. These
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: aren't meaningless games. These are evaluation opportunities for how good
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: my team can be. And I need to make sure
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: that I'm getting the best guys because once again, there's
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: a lot of talent out here, right, So you can't
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: just kind of blow off the games in these moments
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: because you're getting you need a fair evaluation to make
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: sure you're putting the best guys out there, because, like
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: I said, you're gonna end up cutting a guy that's
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: going to contribute on another team. So make sure we
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: get the best of those options and the guy that
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: goes to the other team is not our best.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Option, right, and then sharpening guys up like Aaron Rodgers.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: I think that's a really interesting decision. It kind of
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: goes against a lot of the trends. And yet, you know,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: sometimes a team will kind of ease into what they're
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: trying to do.
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: Matthew Staffer's not playing a preseason game. Yeah, your off's
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: not playing a preseason game.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Now, I will say this, those guys are they are
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: not running new offenses.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: They also yet you're correct they are not. Now. Granted,
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: you could also argue Aaron's not running a new right either.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: He's familiar with this. He's running an old office. He
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: just hasn't run it recently. That's really true. Yeah, Okay,
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: so it's still plenty to get to.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: Unfortunately, more to get to than we have time for,
• 30:35
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• 30:37
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  Speaker 3: because I literally don't know. Yeah, but I do know
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: that the I do know that the fine Italian restaurant
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: there is Don't Do It is still open.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: That Italian wedding soup is still one of my favorite
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: the muscles as well another another crowd favorite there when
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: when me and my my buddies usually descend on there,
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: we'll usually go there one or two times during training camp.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: I haven't made my first visit yet, but just know
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: that when I go there, I'm always giving me the
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: wedding soup. I love it. It's good stuff.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: So when it comes to these preseason football games and
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: ascertaining who's going to start at right guard, right tackle, look,
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: I know there's other things involved. Are they in the
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: meetings paying attention in meetings? Do they know what's going on?
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: You know, it's not just about did he flatten somebody
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: or pancake somebody or make a wow play like so
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: you know we can see somebody make a splash play
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: even if they're running with the ones, and you know,
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: maybe they're not. Maybe they don't. They lucked into it.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: They don't know, you know, in a critical moment when
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: they need to run a quick stop and Aaron Rodgers
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: is gonna get up and throw that stop pattern and
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: he throws the ball and they're running the slant that
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: was called because he didn't recognize the defense, and it
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: goes right into the chest to the defender who.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: Takes it for a pick six.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: That's the stuff you can't ascertain necessarily by watching a
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: preseason game. So the point being, it's not just what
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: we're gonna see, but it feels to me Max like
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: there are legitimate jobs on the line at right guard,
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: at right tackle that will largely be one or lost
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: in preseason games. Do you think that's accurate?
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: I think it is okay. As far as starting roles, Yeah,
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: that's right. As far as starting roles go, those are
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: the two because I think everywhere else you look, starters
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: are pretty much slated. You know who the starter is
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: going to be. And maybe there's a rotational type of thing,
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: especially defensively, about how those guys insert when they play,
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: who starts game based on personnel. All those things are subjective,
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: but when you're talking about a starting position that will
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: be one specifically off of preseason games in training camp,
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: it's the right garden, right tackle position. Those are two
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: open positions here in camp. I think we know who
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: the number two receiver is, Michael Pittman, and then you
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: have upside for your number three's Roman Wilson, Jeremy Bernard,
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: Kayden wegen Wright, insert names here, and then you'll kind
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: of fill out your five to six receivers that you'll
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: keep running back. We know is Rico Dadele and Jalen Warren.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: However you deploy them as a completely different thing. Mike
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: McCarthy talked about that today, talking about I don't want
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: to have He's like one of the things why the
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: guys play as much as they do. I don't want
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: to worry about who's in on third down. I don't
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: want to think about what guy I need to put
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: in there, so we know who they are, and then
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: after that we'll figure out whether that's Caleb Johnson, Travis Homer,
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: Lou Nichols, Eli hyden Reich and company. Right tight end,
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: Dona W. Washington just got paid, Pat Fryarm has been paid. Yes,
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: we know those are your top two, is it Robert Tanyan,
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: Is it Lake Lake McCree, is it somebody else? Right,
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: That's where we're figuring out who the third guy is.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: But as far as starters, when I name the I
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: name the starting position. Aaron Rodgers is the starting quarterback. Yes,
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: otherwise noted. Right, those are the things we know. So
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: backup positions might alternate and change, and those might be
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: other side battles, but those are the two that are
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: going to affect because offensive linemen, it's the Spartan methodology, right,
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: when you go out there as a starter, come back
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: with your shielder on it. But the only way you're
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: getting out is an injury situation. We're we're not flip
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: flopping lines. We're not flip flopping players based on situations.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: You're in as long as you're healthy, as long as
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: you're doing your job, you are in there. There's no
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: sub package that doesn't have you at alignment like Spencer Anderson, right,
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: the sixth of ol Linman type of deal, extra tight
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: end type of deal. But that's it. And so I
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: think you're absolutely right, those are the two that we're
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: going to stay with once they are announced, and it's
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: going to be one in training campus going to be
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: an open competition until we have final cuts. Yeap.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: I totally agree with all of that. I agree that
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: I just don't think there are that many. I don't
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: think you're any any front line positions open except right
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: guard and right tackle. I think that's why I respect,
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: That's why I've spent an entire show talking about this,
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: because I think that's it.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: Max. They are the battles. They are the battles because
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: we know who our top three pass rushers are, right right,
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: dj Alex and Nick Kurbick. You know the corner four. Yep,
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: we know who the corners are. Joey Porter Junior did
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: not lose his job by not practicing, but having Jamel
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: Din and Sante Samuel now is like, okay, well, which
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: one do we want to start? Depends on who we got.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: We have options, right, We know that Jakwan Brisker and
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: Deshaun Elliott are two says, but we also love the
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: fact that we can add a couple extra guys. Sebastian Castro.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: Where does he fit into this right now? Where do
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: these other pieces fit in there? Linebacker Patrick Queen, Payton Wilson.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: Are we having much talk about that? Nope? But we're saying,
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: Malie Harrison called Holkom, Carson, Brunner and company. Who fills
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: in there? Henderson? Where do these guys fill in on
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: that D line? We know that cam Herward ain't going nowhere,
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: Keanu Binnen ain't going nowhere, Derek Harmon ain't going anywhere, right,
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: and then we have a pretty good idea that Sebastian
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: Joseph Day you brought him in a free agency, He's
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: going to be there, right. We know also after that
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: you're gonna have ya Black, He's going to be there. Yep.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: Now the question is who's six, seven, eight right right
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: for that D line or nine? However, however many they
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: keep on the D line. That's what you're fighting for.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: You're fighting for the back end of the depth, right.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: But this is the first and only two front line
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: positions that are open that are going to be dictated
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: that you're gonna watch live how good or bad they do.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: And those are all interesting battles. But yes, this is
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: front and center for me.
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: Sometimes you know again you talk, and I think it's
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: really interesting that Mike McCarthy's talked about units of two
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: or three. I think that we all think about units.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: When it comes to say the wide receiver position. That's
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: that might be the easiest to look at that and
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: defense it back when you start to go into nickel
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: and dime, and you know, sometimes there's just a missing
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: piece in that. That's that causes the engine to splutter
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: a little bit, you know, And it's just but but
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: I will also say this. We know you know if
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: you took that engine apart and said, what are the
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: pieces there? Well, the pieces are going to be Jamel Dean,
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: Joey Porter Jr. Jalen Ramsey, Sean Elliott. You know you
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: know who the pieces are gonna be Samuel now right now?
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: So now yeah, now it's hey, are we better off?
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: You know? Well, will it run smoothly? At all times?
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: Will run smoothly?
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: If a Sante Samuel Junior's been an outside guy, you're
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: just saying for you you know, he's in the slaughter,
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: Echoes is in the slaughter. Ramsey's in the slaughter. No,
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: Ramsey's at safety. What is the best combination of those things?
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: Can one guy on an offensive line cause that engine
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: to splutter? Or would you need so you replace just
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: that one piece and it all comes together? Or is
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: that just an oversimplification of what the importance of one position.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: No, it does matter because you're only strong as your
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: weakest link. Right, you've heard that. We've heard that phrase
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: a lot in our life. But for the offensive line,
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: that's what matters. Like it has to be five guys
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: as one. You can't have four in a wildcard. You
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: can't have three and two possibles, right if we're talking
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: cards and play spades a lot. So that's where the
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: possible comes in. You've got to have five guys that
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: you believe is the best five combination together. And that's
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: how you have to operate. If you have one squeaky
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: wheel or one sputtering part, it collapses because now they
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: found their way in. Right. It's just like you know
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: you talk about, you know, a break in a dam
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: or a dyke, right, you know that once that little
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: water leak creeps in there, it keeps going, keeps going,
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: keeps going, keeps becoming a bigger problem. And now we've
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: got to figure out how do we patch it? And
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: do you patch it with an extra guy blocking? A
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: year ago we ran our best football when we were
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: in twelve and thirteen personnel. Why because we had to
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: bring Spencer Anderson and be an extra tight end. Yeah,
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: we a six offensive linemen to run the football effectively.
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: There's a weakness there. If you can't run with your five,
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: there's a problem. And they were trying to patch it
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: the entire time. Now you don't have that option. We
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: need to run with five. And I'm not going to
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: make any assumptions about what we need to do. I
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: just need it answered. And there's a lot of different
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: answers in different parts you can fit in may Maybe
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: I need an eddel Brock header. Maybe the factory one
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: wasn't working good enough on this engine. Maybe I need
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: to switch to Mopar. Right, you know, you start figuring
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: HEMI right, what's gonna be the best piece that's gonna
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: fit to make this engine as effective and run as
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: fast as it can? And intake system? Do I need
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: a blower or can I just trust that the regular
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: intake is gonna be great? You know you're looking for
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: all these different adjustments and aftermarket parts to make it
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: be more efficient. But that's what you gotta have. You
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: got to have the best pieces there to make this
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: offense run the best. And for an offensive line, you
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: can't have a weak offensive linement. Right, You've got to
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: have strong parts all around, and they have to have
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: different strengths. I'm not saying they all need to be
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: exactly the same. We're not gonna put five Zack Frasiers
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: out there, right, because it's not gonna work, you know,
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: because Zach is better at center. Zach. I don't think
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: it's a great left tackle, right, you know what I'm saying.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: But I need to put the best left tackle out
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: there that makes a quarterback feel comfortable, right, that can
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: communicate cleanly with the rest of his line, that him
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: and the left guard vibe together or flow together. That's
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: been another big key phrase here. Flow. Mike McCarthy wants
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: to see flow in practice. Okay, so how well does
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: that flow? I don't need a clog in the communication highway, right,
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: I don't need congestion. I need free flow between all
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: five guys. So you're looking for the best combination of five,
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: not necessarily the five best players, but the five best
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: players that work together. Yeah, that was leading to my
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: next question.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: So, I mean, it's the two guys who are gonna
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: work best with the three guys you already know who
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: are starting, right, it's incumbent upon them to find a
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: way to fit into that machine.
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: Correct, Ye, shave a little bit off the edge because
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: you're a square peg. You need a little more oval. Okay,
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: but you're not quite a round peg, you know. You know. Hey,
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: We're going to see how this works and can it
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: build over the season. Also, there's a little bit of
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: projection in there. Can this get better? Is it good
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: enough now? And can it get better by the end
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: of the year. That's what the projection is. So a
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: guy like Maxianachure, I have no idea what he's gonna
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: look like in the pros. I only know what he
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: did in college. Does that college Max now become a
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: better option as a promax or is it Dylan Cook
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: who showed me great strides at left? But does that
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: translate to the right? Spencer Anderson is good at five positions,
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: but can he be great at one position? Right? Those
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: are the questions we're looking to answer. Brock Hofflin was
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: really good in Dallas. Can he be really good here
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: in Pittsburgh? Those are the questions. Look at Roderick Jones,
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: can you go back to the right or do you
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: need to compete for the left? Because that's what you are.
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: I need to answer that, and that's what the opportunities
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: are going to give during this whole process is can
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: they do that? Can they make that conversion?
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: Okay, so final question for you in that regard if
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: it and I you know, would hate a player to
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: be damned for position flexibility, but if if things were
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: relatively even, and and there's almost no such thing, right,
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: there's no such thing as as one hundred percent even,
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: but if things were relatively even, max, does could position
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: flexibility actually hurt a guy? You know the fact that
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: he could potentially Thank you, I just knocked over a
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: a can that's spilled all over.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: The you're electronics. I was like, yeah, so.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Will could that flexibility hurt somebody? Where the coach says,
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: you know what, it's pretty close. But if there's an injury,
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: now I got to move the right tackle to left guard,
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: the left guard, the center of the center to left
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: tack or I could just say I got one guy
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: that can play all those positions.
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: I could just plug him in.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: Could that flexibility actually against the guy trying to start?
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: Are you just going to start the best five and
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: worry about that stuff as it comes up?
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: Over the course of a game. I think you have
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: to take it as such, who's the best guy for
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: the job at hand, right, and then we can worry
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: about the backup guy afterwards.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: I think so too, But I think it's worth pointing
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: out because people talk about position flexibility all the time.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: Let's not over sell that.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, versus starting and playing hopefully every snap of every game.
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the jack of all Tray's master of none methodology. Right,
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: you don't want that, but it's good to know that. Hey,
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: he might be struggling right now, but don't forget he's
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: a valuable piece because this dude can go everywhere. Right now,
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: it might.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so if as long as it as long as
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: it doesn't hurt you in your in your in your
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: efforts to start, can't hurt you when.
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: It comes to trying to make the team. Yeah, help.
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: Number I can either be number five on this list
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: or I know I'm not falling below eight, right, getting
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: a helmet, whether it starts the game or whether I
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: get inserted during the game.
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: He's Max Starks, I'm Robed King. We always enjoy being
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: with you.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: Day off tomorrow, We'll be back on these airwaves on Thursday.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: Looking forward to things ramping up. The ramp up is over.
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: We are ready to go.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Everyone's gonna get ready to take scrimmage on Saturday. Would
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: imagine we'll see some We'll see some testosteron let's say
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: on Thursday and Friday.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: It would be fun. Clap Yeah, he's Max Starks. I'm
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: Rob King.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: The Drive is coming up next with Wes and Matt.
• 46:38
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• 46:40
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