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#284: Hellbound: Hellraiser II (1988) · What's Your (Least) Favorite Scary Movie?

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Hello, what's your least favorite scary movie?
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She was a dirty girl. She needed to be taken care of.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Chainsaw sticker for the month of June.
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what cover art specifically you would like a picture of.
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Yeah. And you know, like it can be any
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of them from this month. You know, really, if there's one
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from any month that you want, just tell me.
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Just like if there's any cover that you'd like to have a
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sticker of, I'll be more than happy to do that.
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If you don't tell me anything, I'm going to pick it for you.
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Yeah. And listen, that's a gamble.
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That's risky business. Yeah, you know, I guess that's
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true. But I'm proud of my shit except
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the times when I'm not. So you won't get the ones that
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I'm not proud of. I'm only going to send the ones
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that I'm super proud of. All right, so here's our poll
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for RAW. So we asked which would you
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rather eat, raw chicken, a finger or rabbit?
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Kidney 14. Percent shot of pee.
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For the shot of pee, 14% shows raw chicken, 36% finger and 50%
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rabbit kidney. And I'm inclined to agree on the
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rabbit kidney because I'm not eating as somebody else's finger
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and I'm I'm not going to eat raw chicken.
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I love chicken, but raw chicken, that's fucking gross.
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That that scene disturbs me when we watch that in raw and I'm
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just not going to put myself up. We're going to go through that.
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Yeah. Rapid kidney.
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That's, I don't know, it's. That's like, yeah, it's like a
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fear factor moment. Like you just like swallow real
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quick. Don't think about it.
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Yeah, just chase it with pee and you'll be OK.
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Yeah, you'll have worse things to worry about because of the
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pee. Yeah, what about you?
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Which one? That's yeah, I'm agreeing with
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you. I agree.
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Yeah, boy, because the vegan did that too.
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But actually, she also ate all the other things that we.
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Listed there. Yeah, that was weird.
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Yeah, weird segue. OK, well.
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That's not a segue. I don't know.
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Whatever. My brain's not working.
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I'm on a lot of medication right now, guys.
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Here's a good segue. Hell, Razor Two, it's time for
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it. That's a segue.
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I don't know if I'd call it a good one.
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OK, so Hellbound Hell Razor 2, this movie released September
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9th, 1988 at the Toronto International Film Fest.
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It's wide release was December 23rd, 1988.
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We watched it on Shutter, which we actually haven't playing on
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Shutter since we're here in the living room.
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So I figured I'd throw it on while we're talking about it.
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That way we can kind of look up and just kind of, you know, see
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the movie play out while we discuss it.
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Written by Peter Atkins, who did the screenplay and story
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obviously by Clive Barker. Directed by Tony Rendell and
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music by Christopher Young. Special effects makeup image
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animation starring Ashley Lawrence as Kirsty, Imogen
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Borman as Tiffany, William Hope as Kyle, Claire Higgins as
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Julia, Kenneth Graham as Chenard, Sean Chapman as Frank,
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Doug Bradley as Pinhead, Barbie Wilde as Deep Throat, Simon
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Bamford as Butterball, and Nicholas Vince as Chatterer
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Jesse. Time for her favorite game on
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the show. Budget, OH.
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Bucket. I don't remember what the first
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movie was. I feel like it was Bug Ted and I
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feel like this is also Bug Ted. Yeah, this is a big time, Well,
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I wouldn't say like Super Bug Ted, it's £3,000,000.
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So they, they have some money to mess with, but not as much as
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they would have hoped. We'll talk about that probably
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here in a few minutes. OK.
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Opening box office was 3 million U.S. dollars, so we changed
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currencies here and the worldwide grossest $12 million
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IMDb scores 6.4 Afton. OK, that's decent.
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All right, so I have 3 movies from 1988 that I wanted to
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compare this movie to, and the theme that I have are movie
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covers that really struck my interest in the video rental
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store back in the day. All right, the most subjective
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of all themes. The first movie is American
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Gothic. Do you remember the cover for
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that one? I remember the painting American
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Gothic. It's basically the painting, but
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they're like making scary faces at you.
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OK, and that really freaked me out whenever I was a kid because
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it just seemed so off putting I'm.
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Gonna look it up right now. I'm gonna look these up as we go
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along because I'm curious as to what they look like.
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You'll probably know some of these off the top of your head
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too. American Gothic came out at some
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point in May 1988. I don't have the budget or the
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gross, but the IMDb score is 5.8.
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These I have scary faces. They are scary to a kid.
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I was a child. Whenever I saw that, that scared
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me. It's too serious.
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You were a soft child. I was I was a very soft child.
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Second movie Child's Play. OK.
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Yeah, that's a. Super iconic Yeah.
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Poster right there that released November 9th, 1980.
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Eight $9 million budget Worldwide Gross 44,000,006.7
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IMDb score. Kind of rude, but OK.
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It's the highest of all of the movies that we have.
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Here. Oh boy.
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OK. Oh boy.
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Oh boy. The final movie is Monkey
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Shines, which is that cover. Yeah and that day spoofed that
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heavily and righteous Jim Stones this last season it then yeah
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monkey shines cuz he gets Doctor Watson and it.
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Looks like that's what. That's referred to, right?
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OK, see, like whenever I saw the cover, I was like, OK, that I
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thought that that was an adaptation of the monkey Stephen
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King story because it reminded me so much of the monkey movie
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that we watched earlier this year.
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Yeah, no, this is actually like he.
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It's a person with like who's quadriplegic as a result of an
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accident. Yeah, you're right.
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I remember I read the synopsis whenever I saw this and it just
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surprised me because the poster is one of those toy monkeys with
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like the little symbols. Yeah.
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So that released July 29th, 1988.
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Seven million budget, 5 million Gross IMDb 6.2.
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OK. Yeah, not bad.
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All right. I've got some tag lines, the one
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that's on the poster. Time to play, time to.
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I mean, it's not good, Yeah. I think it's good who's playing.
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I think it's implied that his pinhead is playing because it's
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a game to him, I think. I don't think it is a game to
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him. He's look, we'll get into it
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more, but he's got like a personal vendetta, I guess.
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Kirstie, Kirstie Kirsten. What the fuck is Kirstie?
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Kirstie, but I can't with that name.
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They've she's, he's got like a vendetta against Kirstie.
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I agree with what you're saying, but the thing that I have
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learned about this series is that nobody gets it other than
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Clive Barker. And I feel like that has to
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like, frustrated. I'm like at least the general
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audience. Everybody's like all Pinhead.
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He's the serial killer. And then like Clive's like, no,
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he's like he was a human. You know he turned himself into
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a demon because he was doing some not good shit.
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And they even kind of addressed that in this one.
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Yeah, I know. And everybody's like, Oh no,
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he's he's the killer. He's the serial killer.
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He's a bad guy. He didn't even like, he's not
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even supposed to be the main villain of the franchise.
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It was supposed to be Julie. Yeah.
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Or Julia. Yeah, Julia.
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Yeah, and she definitely comes across as like she comes across
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as the main villain in this and this Cinebite through secondary.
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But even then, I think people walk away from this movie like
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Cinebites. They're real bastards.
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The next one they will tear your soul apart again.
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That's got Halloween 2. Five, I was going to say the
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night he came home again, or rather, the night he was still
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home. No, it's the night he came home
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again. I know, I'm saying more
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accurately the night he was still home.
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Oh yeah, yeah. And we've talked about this
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extent. That's what started the whole
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tagline thing. Yeah, it was, yeah, because it
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was so bad. I think it's just a product of
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this era, man. I'm sure there are plenty of 80s
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taglines that are really good. But get it because it's a
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circle. Yeah, I just think the horror
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movie ones are just kind of lackluster, like the franchise.
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Ones they're like nobody's here for a tagline man must accept it
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I'm. Just going to be be upfront,
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none of the rest of these are that good.
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Oh boy, the next one is the word continues.
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That literally any movie. OK.
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And Clive Barker takes us on a descent into dot dot dot.
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Heck. Heck, heck bound heck.
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Bound. Yeah, yeah.
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And that's it. OK.
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Yeah. All right.
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So I have fun facts. Fun facts.
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So this movie was greenlit. During post production of the
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first film, Clive was offered the role of director again, but
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he declined because he didn't exactly have the best experience
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directing the first movie. Said it was extremely stressful.
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They brought in Rendell though, because he had experience with
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Clive and he also edited the first film.
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If there's anything that I've worn in editing is a good career
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path to becoming a director. Sure seems like.
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Especially whenever you're working in the industry, that's
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that seems to be the way to get in right there.
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Because you kind of have to understand what story is being
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told when you're editing. Larry, the stepdad from the
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first one, was originally supposed to be a part of this
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movie, but the actor Andrew Robinson declined to return.
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So they there was some things up in the air about why, but he
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ended up doing an interview where he just says that he
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didn't like the script. Oh, and he just really wasn't
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interested in it. The most simple of all reasons.
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Yeah, so the movie would have played out pretty much the same,
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except he would have been in hell with Frank, refused to him.
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And whenever Kirstie would make it to hell and finds Frank in
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this movie, they would be there and Frank would try to attack
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Kirstie which would cause Larry to cut himself apart from Frank.
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So it's like a conjoined twins situation, yeah.
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Yeah, they would just battle it out and then Frank would, I
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guess, die in that situation. He would escape with them.
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He is the one that kills Julia and then he's also the one that
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escapes with Kirsty from the hospital in the end instead of
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Tiffany. So yeah, they just kind of had
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to retool some parts of the scripts because it seemed like
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it was a very late, like it happened late in the production
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or the pre production of the movie.
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So they had to like really hurry up and shift all that around.
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There was supposed to be a deeper dive in the pin heads of
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war. Just like the first movie.
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He was going to go into it but they ended up scrapping it
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because the budget of the movie got slashed during production.
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Oh, that's not good. Yeah, and I've heard Doug
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Bradley talk about this on The Last Drive and before, because
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he was on the episode of Hellraiser 2 talking about it.
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And apparently they had this happen during production and it
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really just kind of shifted things.
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And they ended up having to just speed up production because the
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shooting days last a lot longer than anticipated.
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And it ended up being in a way more stressful work set than
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they had expected it to be. Kenneth Cranham, the guy that
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plays Schunard, he only did the role because his grandson
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really, really campaigned for him because he was a huge fan of
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the first movie. There were a couple of scenes
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that were deleted from the movie.
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The first one was a surgery scene.
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This was a very famous scene amongst people that were fans
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because this was when they got deleted.
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However, they had done some production photos of it and they
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ended up actually using it in advertising and some covers
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included this too. And it was a scene of Pinhead
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and Deep Throat, Pinhead and Scrubs, Deep Throat.
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Also in Scrubs. They it was a dub, the surgery
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scene because people just kind of speculated that's what it was
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and everybody wanted to know what happened to it or where it
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was or why it wasn't in the movie.
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And then it eventually got released as a part of Arrow's
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release. When they did the Hell Raiser
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movie, it wasn't actually a surgery scene.
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It was just a scene where Kirsty and Tiffany bump into Pinhead
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and Deep Throat dressed like that and like they end up just
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chasing them, so it's not anything like that.
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Scooby-doo. Scooby-doo High jinks.
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Yeah, scooby-doo Ish. The second one was one with the
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engineer. You know, the engineer chasing
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the engineer was in the first one, but they kind of cut him
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out of this one, which I was kind of surprised because I was
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expecting to see the engineer in this movie again.
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And then the third one, Julia was supposed to be one of the
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heads on the hell pillar at the end of the movie.
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However, the actor that placed her, Claire Higgins, requested
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to not be involved in that because she did not want to be
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involved in any future movies. OK, so they ended up cutting
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that out and that's it. That's it for the fun facts.
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OK, All right, so that's it for all of that fun.
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Let's get into some new fun. Before we go into our goodbye
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ugly and absurd, I've got one final tidbit for Pride month.
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And this is unfortunately an upsetting tidbit and part of the
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reason why we are donating all our profits to the Trevor
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Project. So the government basically
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forced Samsa's hand. They run the 988 national
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suicide crisis hotline. They forced them to eliminate
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option 3, which was for LGBTQ plus youth and they didn't even
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allow them to use the TQ plus the TQ part of the acronym in
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the announcement that those that that line was going to be cut.
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So things like the Trevor Project and Trans Lifeline are
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now really, really depending on, you know, donations from folks
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like us. So that's not the happiest note
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to end Pride Month on. And the timing of that
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announcement feels very deliberate.
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Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
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So that is, yeah, that's what I unfortunately have to share with
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you all this week. Well, and let's let's brighten
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it up a little bit. Thanks everybody for donating
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yes to that because you know, everything, every little bit
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helps, even if it's not like a big amount.
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It's one raindrop never caused the flood or whatever.
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That's the saying goes to whatever.
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A raindrop never thinks it caused the flood.
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Yeah, exactly. And in this case right here, you
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know, any little bit helps. So I just support and that's all
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you can do. And at times like this, you
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know, and we appreciate everybody for, you know, help
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and support. Yep.
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All right, so now let's move on over to our good battle in
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Absurd. Jesse, you kick it off.
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What do you like about Hell Raiser too?
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I like that the the story pacing I feel like is a little bit
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faster, so that's get. Into it a little bit more,
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because we know what's. Up.
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Yeah, yeah, we like that. Feels nice.
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And I think we get some different, more interesting set
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pieces. And I feel like the the threat
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level is a little bit higher because it's not just a wicked
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stepmother, you know, it's a wicked stepmother plus the
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Cenobites, plus this evil doctor, plus this other doctor
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that looks like Screech from Saved by the Bell.
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He does look like Screech. Yeah, that's that's one of the
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things I liked about this too. So those, those are my main
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thing. Like we, we get a much bigger
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cast to work with. It feels like even like with the
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extras, they, they feel like they serve purpose, you know, So
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I think it ramps up the action in that way a little bit.
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This one is my favorite of the ones that I've seen.
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I've only seen three of them so far.
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I've seen the first, this one, and then the newest 1, the
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remake one that came in on Hulu. And I love this one because I'm
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with you. It gets going a little bit
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sooner. We already know what's up.
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We start off seeing the Jesus web scene, which is one of the
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coolest scenes from the first movie and the fact that in the
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first movie it was really self-contained in the house for
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the most part. It's a lot of weird shit going
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on. But like, you know, we saw that
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there was potential for even more weirdness to happen.
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And then in here we get to go straight to hell.
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And I think that's what this movie needed.
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It's really just busted open the war and everything.
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I like that even though we don't get a full back story on the
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Cinderbytes, we at least get that moment of showing that they
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were once human, which I think is a real it's I wouldn't say
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like a gut punch, but like it adds some to everything there
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because it just I mean, you see them in the first movie, you
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think they're just monsters and they are.
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They're so scarcely that you don't really know what to make
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of them. And then you become a little bit
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more familiar with them here. And even then to see that they
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have a villain themselves with the Leviathan and the
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introduction of a new synabyte. That's my favorite part when
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they have Schnard. The like the addition of Schnard
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in this movie is so good. I love that character so much.
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This guy that's just obsessed with the woman configuration.
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He's obsessed with hell. He's like just questioning
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whether or not it's like a completely like his death and
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4th dimension or whatever. He's super curious and then he
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gets to actually see like the God of hell or whatever and he
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becomes a super powerful cinebyte that just destroys
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Pinhead and like all the other Cinebytes there too.
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Doc look and motherfucker. Yeah, but it's so cool.
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I love it so much. That is a great design.
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Like the designs of everything here.
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That's all Clive Parker, right? He did all this like it's
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perfect. It's so well done.
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I love it so much. OK.
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Now what do you not like? As much as I feel like we got to
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the action faster and it kept the pacing up a little bit, I do
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feel like some of that tension dies a little bit, ironically,
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when they get to hell because it's a lot of going back and
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forth in hallways. It's like a maze.
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Pretty much, yeah. And I just it needed a little
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bit more oomph in those parts. OK.
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So I have, you know, I think it would have been interesting to
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have them explore their own personal health a little bit
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more. Also that, yeah.
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But we see Franks, which, you know, I like his idea of hell,
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which is basically like these women that are like moaning and
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just basically they're to tease them the entire time.
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You can't have anybody. And the ultimate horny on Maine.
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Yeah, and they're like, bloody too.
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They're disgusting. It shows how much of A freak he
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is, I guess. My bad.
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Yeah. Your bad, not bad.
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No, I'm not bad. You know, I think it takes a
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long time to get Shannard to be a cinder bite, which, you know,
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the build up isn't necessarily terrible, but I don't exactly
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know why he became 1. You know, like she serves him up
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to the leviathan and he just kind of gets sucked up into the
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box and becomes was it because like it saw his potential or
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something like that? I don't know.
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We like there's so many questions that are left
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unanswered in this movie and I feel like they wanted to address
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a lot of them, but they couldn't because of the budget cuts.
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But like, I'm still left not entirely sure what happens
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whenever I watch this movie. I just know that I like what I'm
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seeing and it's all super interesting, but I'm I'm never
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fully sure what happened. Yeah, yeah.
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You agree with that, Yes, OK. I this is it's going to be
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interesting going through the notes because the plot of this
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movie can be told in like 2 sentences.
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Pretty much, yeah. I mean, you could really
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summarize this thing. You can clip notes it super
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easily. Yeah.
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What? You're ugly.
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Oh, this doctor sucks, Shannard. He's such a bad doctor.
21:29
He's so manipulative and he definitely violates the
21:34
Hippocratic Oath. And he's a creep in a schizoid
21:38
even. Like held a mentioned obsession
21:40
aside. Yeah, yeah.
21:43
The way that he treats Tiffany especially.
21:44
Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty disturbing.
21:47
Yeah. I mean, I guess I could go along
21:48
with you with that too. I'm also just seeing all this
21:50
imagery of like, all of this torture shit that's happening
21:53
here and holy hell, it's some really disturbing stuff.
21:57
I mean, holy hell. Oh God, what a good tagline.
22:01
Holy hell, holy hell. Maybe.
22:03
That'll be our tagline right there.
22:04
We'll just go ahead and put a pin in that.
22:06
One note to self. Yeah, I don't know.
22:11
There's just there's a lot of not good dudes and dudettes in
22:14
this film. It's a lot of people taking
22:16
advantage of people. We get Julia basically doing the
22:20
same thing that Frank did in the first movie, just having Schnard
22:23
bring all these women into his home.
22:26
And again, in his case, it's a bunch of patience.
22:29
He brings patience and makes them die on the bed and let her
22:33
like consume them. Is sacrificing human beings to
22:38
re flesh your booty call the gateway drug to becoming a
22:43
cynobite? I thought you were going to say,
22:45
is that a Dick move? Is that a Dick move?
22:48
I'm genuinely asking here. Like, is it like it's a booty
22:51
call? Guys, I remember she's super
22:53
hot. She looks fantastic in that no
22:55
skin white outfit. That's actually the disturbing
23:00
part to me. That's the obvious part.
23:02
OK, When she wears that suit, that white suit with no skin and
23:07
it's just all bloodied up, Oh my God, it makes me good every
23:11
single time I see it. Has to hurt the nerves.
23:14
It makes, it hurts my nerves. It hurts all right.
23:19
What do you have for your absurd?
23:20
OK, so I've got two. I'm glad I wrote these notes
23:23
down. So the first one is there is a
23:27
motivational book and an accompanying animated video
23:32
called Who Moved My Cheese? And it's got like, Who Moved My
23:38
cheese? It's incredibly corny, but part
23:41
of it is that the two, like, guys that are supposed to have
23:45
their shit together and like, they were, you know, dude, like
23:48
it's a Goofus and Gallant type of situation.
23:50
You know, they're running around in a maze the whole time.
23:56
And the upshots we kept getting of hell with like, the maze like
23:59
configuration, like the whole time.
24:01
It just came here. And then the other is that
24:08
everybody's like really fucking into blood in this movie.
24:11
Yeah. It's like upsetting.
24:13
Keeping these bloody mattresses that are so squishy with blood
24:17
even. There's a purpose for that.
24:19
I think it's just because. I know, yeah, I understand the
24:22
purpose of it. But think about living in the
24:25
world and you're like cool bloody mattress.
24:27
Or like Kirsty, who sees blood appear on the wall of her dead
24:30
father begging for help and she like touches a dab of it.
24:33
And it's. Oh yeah.
24:35
Yeah, like there's a lot people are really into blood for not
24:38
being vampires. That's true.
24:41
And I don't know how we haven't done a vampire movie in Pride
24:44
month yet. Whoa.
24:46
I thought about doing like one of the like, lesbian vampire
24:49
movies at some point. It's just I haven't watched a
24:52
lot of those, so I don't really know where to go with it.
24:55
I mean dude, even Dracula, he has like a total stake in his
24:59
pants for Jonathan Harker. Like are you saying what the
25:03
original Dracula? The one from the 30s?
25:04
I'm reading the book right now, yeah.
25:06
That's right. We did watch that a long time
25:08
ago. Yeah, that's.
25:09
OK, Bela Lugosi. I have a hard time watching
25:11
movies that old. I'm sorry.
25:13
I'm just being real and I know that that might make people mad,
25:15
but that's just the reality of the situation.
25:19
OK my absurd is the fact that this guy here Kyle is so ready
25:27
to believe this person that has been admitted in a like mental
25:31
health institution that people from hell are out together.
25:36
He's like, you know what? OK.
25:38
He's like, you were right. Yeah.
25:40
Like, I just don't get why he's so quick to believe her about
25:44
it. Also, it's just seeing Doug
25:47
Bradley in that military uniform.
25:49
He doesn't look intimidating. He's just like this scrawny
25:52
little. He's not bald yet either, which
25:54
is weird. I I think it's weird seeing Doug
25:55
Bradley. It feels illegal.
25:57
I don't like it. It's like whenever I see Vin
25:59
Diesel with stubble on this and like don't get get rid of that.
26:02
The Fast and the Furious 2003 always throws me off like I can.
26:08
You got 5:00 shadow on that head, bub.
26:09
Yeah, it's it's. We're not into that.
26:12
No, we're not into that. OK, then what do you rate this
26:15
movie? Give it a 6 1/2.
26:21
OK, I know you're not really big into these, which has always
26:24
shocked me because I know you're such a huge Clive Barker fan.
26:26
I like, I don't know what it is, they just it's something about
26:32
and. It's like not he's not like he's
26:34
not involved in the movies. Either.
26:36
He's super involved in the movies.
26:38
Maybe maybe I just prefer his writing style versus what it
26:42
comes across. Could be.
26:44
On on film, yeah. Right.
26:48
Yeah, I mean, I I think this movie is fantastic.
26:51
I would give it a nine. OK, OK, so we give 7.75. 7.75
26:59
All right, you ready to do it? Yeah.
27:05
So we open up with Jesus worked. Yeah, I wrote Stretchy Face.
27:10
Frank. Yeah.
27:11
That's the best Frank. Actually, that's my favorite
27:13
Frank, Yeah. The the frank now in flexiform
27:18
we also get our What's your pleasure so.
27:20
Yeah, it's like Christy sending the cinder bites away.
27:23
It's basically just the ending of the first movie.
27:26
That's all we got. Yeah, here.
27:28
And then we cut to Sweaty Doug with a box.
27:30
I really should have been in charge of naming the scenes on
27:32
DVD. Yeah, you know how like on older
27:35
DVDs, like all of the scene title, all of the scenes had
27:38
titles. Yeah.
27:39
So we get stretchy. Think for a stretchy, stretchy
27:43
face Frank and then sweaty Doug with a box.
27:45
So you would make those different scenes.
27:46
So if you hit the skip scene, you would just skip. 5 seconds.
27:49
Yeah, 10 seconds. Yeah, OK.
27:51
You know, some people would love that.
27:52
Some people would hate that. Travis, do we need to go pull
27:55
out my room? Blu-ray and us read all of the
27:59
chapter titles that Tommy Wiso made for The Room because some
28:04
of those chapters are about 30 seconds.
28:06
Yeah, but is that really helping your case, considering it was
28:09
Tommy Wiseau? I'm just.
28:10
Saying it can happen and Tommy Wiseau is influential to me.
28:14
Well, anything. Tommy's Tommy Wiseau has told me
28:17
that anything can happen. Yeah, I own a pair of underwear
28:20
from the man. That's just so strange.
28:23
Yeah, and that wasn't even supposed to happen that way
28:24
either. I.
28:25
Know. Also, that man's idea of a small
28:28
is frightening. Anything can happen.
28:32
I'm finished. Like you call in to complain
28:38
like Tommy, like I ordered underwear and you gave me a
28:40
blue. Hey, anything can happen.
28:44
OK, So we get the same guy. OK?
28:48
Yeah. Doug Bradley.
28:49
This is my head Cam. I forgot it's been so long since
28:51
we watched this, but Doug Bradley in this movie Human Form
28:55
is Menard from Fucking Wrong Turn 5.
29:00
Same character. I'm saying head cannon.
29:03
It's the shared universe. Whatever.
29:06
No, we got chinard in this movie.
29:08
Also there's there's there's some cross wires.
29:12
Going here? Oh boy.
29:14
All right, so he's fucking with the one make configuration and
29:16
it opens and then he gets hooked and then we see his
29:18
transformation in the pin head. Sweet suffering, Yep.
29:22
Christie or Kirstie wakes up. She's in the mental institution.
29:25
Yeah, she's greeted by a man sitting in the corner.
29:29
Bronson with homicide. Yeah, he's dead, Detective.
29:32
He said Steve's OK. That's all we get to see if this
29:35
this week, this movie. That's the boyfriend, right?
29:38
Yeah. Yeah.
29:39
Steve. Don't worry about him.
29:40
He's not going to be in the movie.
29:41
Yeah, we no Steve, Steve, free zone.
29:44
Yeah, we are steveless. We are without Steve.
29:48
It is summertime. We are sleeveless.
29:51
We are steveeless. I'm on a lot of medication right
29:55
now, guys. So he was at the house and the
29:59
cops, we, we see the cops there, they're investigating the crime
30:02
scene and they find the corpse in the basket with this.
30:05
Not just a corpse. Frank I.
30:07
Believe a maggoty corpse. Yeah, it's super disgusting.
30:11
They shoot another corpse. He, like, falls onto them, yeah.
30:15
Yeah, and that's how you want a police officer to react when
30:18
circled is just by blasting. Bang, bang, bang.
30:21
Yeah. And then?
30:23
Do you think this cop refuses to wear a body Cam?
30:27
He would just conveniently turn it off.
30:29
Yeah, oh man, the footage got corrupted.
30:31
That's so weird. Yeah.
30:31
It just happens, man. The darnest thing anything
30:34
happened The. Footage is the only thing
30:35
corrupted here. Yeah, that's the only thing.
30:39
The cop asked Ronson about the bloody mattress and he just
30:42
tells him tagging this evidence. Whatever.
30:48
Which is so funny because there was a massacre in that house.
30:50
Like do we need to do something with bloody mattress?
30:52
Who the fuck cares? Too sick?
30:55
Yeah. OK, so we see the doc.
31:00
This is Shannard. He's performing brain surgery.
31:02
And well, hold on, because Kirstie overhears that on the
31:06
walkie and she tells Ronson she's like, the mattress has to
31:08
be destroyed. It absolutely has to be
31:10
destroyed. So she's freaking out.
31:12
She's she's paying attention. Yeah, so, OK, Shannard's over
31:15
there performing brain surgery. He's called away and he goes and
31:20
he checks on Kirsty and he requests to be able to speak
31:24
with her alone. This is when I think Kirsty
31:28
warns. After their talk, Kirsty warns
31:30
Ronson that Julia can be revived through the mattress.
31:33
Yeah, McCray goes in and he talks to Kirsty and gives her a
31:38
sedative to help her sleep. So Kirsty is walking down the
31:42
hall and she sees somebody in one of the rooms putting a
31:45
puzzle together. This is Tiffany.
31:48
That's not her real name. That's just what everybody calls
31:50
her because she hasn't spoken in six months.
31:52
Now, here's the thing. Here's the thing.
31:55
They say she's an unnamed patient, so everybody just
31:57
refers to her. Here's Tiffany, But we see
31:59
flashbacks. That's her mom bringing her in.
32:01
Did her mom not know her name? Her mom probably didn't care to
32:04
name her. She probably hasn't she.
32:06
Was never given a name. She was probably never given a
32:08
name, honestly. You girl.
32:11
Yeah, she's there for six months.
32:13
They've been say she has some family too.
32:15
Maybe they're just lying about her records because I mean if
32:17
her mom dropped her off she has family.
32:19
Yeah, Shannara's doing some shady shit.
32:21
Yeah, but pretty much all she does is just like, soft puzzles
32:24
all day. Which, you know, I think we kind
32:27
of can gather that Shannar probably kept her because he
32:30
knows her. She's probably capable of
32:33
solving the limit configuration. But Kirsty sees this is when she
32:37
gets the image of what she thinks is Larry riding in blood.
32:43
I'm in hell. Help me.
32:44
Yeah, I am in hell. Help me.
32:46
She like, kind of closes her eyes and like, shakes it away,
32:49
but the blood stays on the wall and it is still wet.
32:54
Even so, Shannard is at the hospital and he goes to the
32:59
basement floor, which he describes as being populated
33:01
with the screamers. Dude, yeah, this is an upsetting
33:06
scene. And this is like where they take
33:08
the most severe cases with the patients down there.
33:10
We got a guy that is just obsessed with like he thinks
33:14
that bumps are crawling all over him.
33:16
And this kind of makes. Me sad, yeah.
33:18
I mean, well, he has like a really sad fate here, but
33:21
there's like a lot of really just disturbing, upsetting cases
33:25
down there. Meanwhile, Kirsty is talking to
33:27
Kyle McRae about her father. He's listening and he steps out
33:33
to go talk to Shannard and he overhears him telling Cusick to
33:36
bring the bloody mattress to his house.
33:39
Then he recounts the first the tales.
33:43
He recounts the tales of the first movie to Shannard,
33:45
basically. Yeah, yeah.
33:47
Gives us a little recap for anybody that didn't pay
33:49
attention the first time around. Yeah, here's a little bit of
33:51
exposition, babies. So Mccrae finds, and here's
33:56
where I was not sure. Was this his office in the
33:58
hospital or was this Shannard's personal home?
34:00
The set. The set was not very clearly
34:03
delineated. I think it's part of the office.
34:05
There's a name given to this room.
34:07
It's called the obsession room. This is where he has all things
34:11
where like about his obsession with like Hell and the limit
34:14
configurations where he has like the three of them lined up
34:17
there. It kind of feels like our
34:20
recording room because it's got all of our horror memorabilia in
34:23
there. Yeah, it's a little bit like
34:25
that. I think ours is a little bit
34:27
less sinister just. Yeah, we're not trying to go to
34:29
hell. Yeah, we're not trying to yet.
34:33
We've got that on lock, baby. Yeah, cuz I was confused too cuz
34:37
I also wrote like Kyle sinks into the house, but it's not the
34:40
house, but he sees the evidence there.
34:42
He sees the bloody mattress on the floor.
34:44
There's various Lament configurations and he finds a
34:47
binder full of articles and photos on the Death Vortex.
34:53
But as he's snooping around in there, Shinard brings in the
34:55
patient that sees bugs all over him into the room.
34:59
His his name is Braining. Yeah, and he sits him down on
35:02
the mattress and he basically just starts feeding into his
35:06
delusion and just allows him to. He hands him a razor.
35:10
He's like, all right, cut into your chest.
35:12
Go ahead and cut all your skin off.
35:14
This is actually very reminiscent of the trailer we
35:18
watched for the perfection that got us to watch the movie.
35:22
Yeah, she tells. She's like, Oh my God, there's
35:24
bugs crawling all over you. You gotta.
35:25
You guys know that. Yeah.
35:26
Yeah. The knife, Yeah, that was pretty
35:29
good. Yeah.
35:30
Yeah. And right here he's just like
35:32
slicing away at his skin, bloods pouring onto the mattress and
35:36
then after a certain point like the mattress just like absorbs
35:39
him and like she like. Arms pop out.
35:42
Yeah, she crawls out, we get skinless Julia here writhing
35:45
around on the floor, and then she crawls over to the patient
35:48
and just consumes all of his blood or life force or whatever
35:52
you call it. Yeah, Mccrae sees all of this
35:55
and he sneaks out, and then Julia looks at Chenard and asks
36:01
for help. Please.
36:04
She then takes Julia to his house and he gives her clothes.
36:09
This. Is when because she's cold?
36:10
Yeah, because she has no skin. Yeah, I don't know how you
36:14
tolerate existing like that. That's got to be just constant
36:18
pain the entire time. It's stabiless.
36:21
Julia is skinless, yeah. It's disgusting man, I hate it.
36:26
This is the most upsetting scene to me because he is like all
36:29
right, just go get dressed. He probably doesn't have any
36:31
women's clothes so she just goes in there and puts on his white
36:34
suit. Why did she did the IT?
36:36
Was a conscious. Decision it was because I know
36:40
he's got that. Motherfuckers got a tan suit
36:42
somewhere in there. He's got a tan suit.
36:44
He's got a fucking black suit. He's wearing one right now.
36:47
I'm looking up. He's wearing a black suit.
36:48
He could have had it. Or maybe he wore them one black
36:50
suit he owned that day. I don't know either way.
36:54
So this is where they just like, embrace.
36:56
They kiss. Yeah.
37:00
He wraps her up in bandages and now, thankfully, we don't have
37:04
to look at that image anymore. I called them the Goodnight
37:07
mommy smoochies. Yeah, it's just a whole scene
37:11
that follows of him just gathering women and they bring
37:15
her or bring them back to the room and we just see like
37:18
several people dead. And because Mccrae has witnessed
37:22
all of this, he goes back to Kirstie and says, all right, I
37:28
believe that what you're saying is true.
37:29
I'm going to get you out of here.
37:33
And she's like, well, I need that box and I need some
37:38
clothes. And he said, I can get you
37:40
clothes. I'm a doctor.
37:41
Yeah, it's one of the specialties.
37:43
I would love to see him and Lawrence Gordon, a doctor
37:47
together in a room that. 'D be a toxic, yeah, toxic
37:50
fucking hospital right there. Yeah, they leave and she's her
37:54
whole plan is she wants to go and get Larry out of hell.
37:58
Yeah, we come back to Julia. She's getting a $6 million man
38:02
montage. We can rebuild her.
38:04
We have the hell technology and the music I wrote sounds like a
38:09
very like very sad Danny Elfman style.
38:13
Oh, I could see that. Yeah, that would fit so well
38:16
with this movie here, Kirstie, Wait, wait.
38:20
No. Yeah, no Kirstie McRae at the
38:22
house. Yeah, they find the house, and
38:24
then while there, Julia finds Kyle.
38:27
Yeah, Kirstie recognizes Pin Head.
38:29
She sees the photo of old Pin Head and I think she recognizes
38:33
that that was him. Yeah, then she also finds Julia,
38:37
and Julia says I'm no longer the wicked stepmother, I'm the Evil
38:42
Queen. Yes, bitch.
38:45
Yeah, and she devours Kyle and she completes her transformation
38:50
at that point. Then I just wrote cool Shannard
38:54
has Tiffany cuz we know this will go well.
38:56
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think we all knew what
38:59
was gonna happen the second we saw that character.
39:01
Yeah, we she was set up to be abused, unfortunately.
39:06
So she is doing the puzzle and she solves it to the tune of an
39:12
indoor hurricane and walls opening and Cinnabites
39:15
approaching. And then I have a bone to pick
39:20
with Mr. Head here because the Cinnabites are ready to take
39:26
Tiffany and Mr. Head says no. And Deep Throat is like, but she
39:35
has solved the box. And Mr. Head says it is not
39:42
hands that call us but desire. What the fuck?
39:45
First of all, first of all, Chrissy doesn't desire this
39:48
right now. I mean, she wants to get to her
39:50
father, but she's not desiring the son of eyes.
39:52
Second of all, she didn't desire.
39:54
Like she didn't desire to be pulled into hell in the first
39:57
movie either. And you still came and you're
39:58
like, you solved the box, you come with us.
40:00
Boom. BOM Bing.
40:01
I think you can maybe make an argument that it was the desire
40:05
of another person attached that caused that.
40:08
So in the first movie it was Frank or Julia wanting Julia and
40:13
Frank wanting her to solve it because that was the desire that
40:17
they had and it was her basically as a tool.
40:20
Shannara being like using Tiffany as the tool.
40:24
Like that was the overall intent and purpose.
40:27
But that doesn't still hold up on a 1 to 1 because in the first
40:31
movie, if we want to argue that Frank and Julia are using
40:34
Kirstie as a pawn, the Cenobite still tried to take Kirstie.
40:37
You would think that Shannar would get his way and be taken
40:39
since he forced Tiffany to do the puzzle, but no, they still
40:42
want to take Kirstie. Yeah, you're right.
40:44
I don't know. I think that the the synabites
40:47
were bored this day. I think this is, I think if
40:49
we're talking about Pinhead's human side in this movie, I
40:52
think this is his human side. Very deeply flawed individual.
40:58
Yeah, I don't know, maybe like he saw the picture of himself,
41:00
like, oh shit, yeah, I don't know.
41:03
I don't know how to explain that.
41:04
That's just kind of that is what it is.
41:05
Take it up with Clive. I think it's because they're bad
41:07
guys. I think it's as simple as that.
41:09
Aren't they supposed to be bad guys?
41:10
Aren't they supposed to be like neutral guys?
41:13
I know they're demons and they're in hell, but like, isn't
41:15
that the whole point? Like we're not really the bad
41:17
guys. We're just kind of here because,
41:19
you know, you guys, you guys called us, You guys showed up at
41:22
hell. Do you want us to not be hell?
41:24
I think it's more like we're bad guys, but we're not the worst
41:27
guys. We're not the worst guys, but
41:29
we're we're pretty bad guys. That's so like can can you see
41:35
how the messaging is a little bit mixed up and kind of hard?
41:39
I can understand why people look at the synabytes like those are
41:42
the villains of the franchise. Everybody acts like the Lament
41:45
Configuration is the biggest puzzle in this movie, but really
41:48
it's the synabite's motivation. I've never seen a fucker
41:51
struggle with that puzzle. Everybody's yeah, everybody's
41:54
like boop. Boop boop.
41:55
It's like maybe. Shannon's just stupid.
41:57
He yeah, he had like three of them.
41:59
He still couldn't figure that shit out.
42:02
But like, you get Tiffany over there and she solves it
42:04
instantly. And then Kirstie even, she
42:05
solved it. So Frank fucking solves it.
42:08
Like, I mean, that's all you need to know.
42:10
Wasn't Frank like super high when he did it too?
42:13
Probably. He's always super high.
42:15
He's what they call him, super high Frank.
42:18
This is what they call him, super high Frank.
42:20
That just kind of makes me think he's a stuntman.
42:22
Like doing like dirt bike jumps or shit.
42:25
Dude I would go to the like backyard rodeo with super high
42:30
frank jumping dirt hills. I would, but I would leave as
42:35
soon as it's over with because I know he's like one of those
42:37
creeps. I would go up like, hey.
42:38
Late. Oh yeah, No, absolutely.
42:40
You sit in the back row for one of Super High Frank's shows,
42:42
Yeah. Yeah, All right.
42:46
Where are we? We're in hell now.
42:48
We we took a big detour. Yeah.
42:51
Yeah, so Kirstie wakes, finds an empty room.
42:53
I like how a penis, like, let them explore.
42:56
Yeah, yeah. It's like, OK, cool man.
42:57
Like have fun in hell. Yeah, so she grabs A Lumet
43:00
configuration and runs and then we see as she Tiffany.
43:06
Tiffany Yeah, this is when we get the the carnival music like
43:09
it's calling the Tiffany and she follows it.
43:11
Yeah, this is her personal hell. So Kirstie has a nightmare of
43:17
home, and that's fun. The Son of Ice appear, and they
43:22
think that she opened the dimension once again and she was
43:25
like, looking for her father. And they're like, well, yeah,
43:29
your father is in his own hell. This is your hell.
43:31
You guys do not share a hell. Sorry.
43:34
It's weird because it feels like it's all connected, though.
43:37
Talia agrees. Did you hear?
43:38
That yes, she was. That was very adamant.
43:42
And they she takes the limit configuration and tries to run
43:46
off, but Pinhead turns it into an object that is very similar
43:49
in shape as the Leviathan. So this is when he's like, all
43:55
right, go ahead and explore, have fun, whatever.
43:57
So Cursy finds Tiffany and tells her that they need to close the
44:03
box, but Schnard is also there. Like you said, he has a
44:08
leviathan and he becomes very quickly disenchanted with this
44:13
whole thing. He was like maybe hell is not
44:15
what it was all. Practical.
44:17
It's not that chill, dude. The imagery of that scene, it's
44:21
like they do a good job with this.
44:22
They make it look big and grand, even though I know that they
44:25
were working with a really limited budget.
44:27
But like, having that Leviathan just up there in the sky
44:29
spinning, If I were in what I thought was hell and I woke up
44:33
and I saw that, I would be fucking terrified too.
44:35
I would want no part of it. Yeah, like I don't blame him for
44:38
suddenly being scared. So they're trying to run back,
44:41
but Kirstie sees her dad's house and she tells Tiffany to go back
44:45
and that if Kirstie's not back real soon she's she's got to run
44:49
home. So Julia.
44:51
Julia pushes Shannard into the Leviathan and meanwhile Kirstie
44:56
and Tiffany are trying to run back and as they're running
45:00
back, Kirstie sees her dad's house and thinks this is her
45:02
chance to rescue him. So she tells Tiffany to go on
45:05
back and to run home if Kirstie doesn't get there real soon.
45:10
And so she runs to. So Kirstie runs to her dad's
45:13
house. And of course it's not her
45:14
fucking dad there. It's.
45:17
Frank Yep, that's a good twist, though.
45:20
I like that. I like that it was it's I think.
45:22
It's kind of predictable. I didn't predict it.
45:24
I did. It was a good one for me.
45:25
I liked it. Yeah.
45:27
And he is just showing her, like all these bodies.
45:31
He's basically in the morgue, what it seems like.
45:32
And there's like dead bodies that slide out of the, I don't
45:37
want the drawers or whatever you want to call.
45:38
It this scene, this setup, is just begging for like a musical
45:43
number. Like.
45:45
I could picture. It you know, I bet that there is
45:47
a Hellraiser musical and it probably does have a big set
45:51
piece in this scene. Well done.
45:52
I'm I'm doing a quick Google Hellraiser musical.
46:06
No. There's not a hell raiser.
46:07
Musical. Nope.
46:09
The thing that comes up is AI art.
46:12
So gross. Fuck that.
46:14
That's so weird. There's been musicals of the
46:16
dumbest shit that you're telling me nobody is like let's do a
46:19
hell raiser one. That's strange.
46:22
Well anyways, yeah she is mad at Frank for doing that.
46:26
She resists them and she ends up igniting the place.
46:30
Frank. He gets his skin ripped off.
46:33
Yeah, apparently your second set of skin is a lot more flammable
46:37
and flimsy than your first set. Yeah, you know, like it's, it's
46:41
really upsetting here and how like it's just not a good place,
46:44
I don't think. I am shocked to hear that for
46:48
one. I am too honestly.
46:49
Frankly. Yeah, and then Joya, she arrives
46:53
and then this is when Frank is like, oh, it's a family reunion.
46:57
And then we of course do get, does he say come to Daddy?
47:01
I know we get to come to Mama at some point in this.
47:04
Yes, well, here's the thing. So Julia appears.
47:07
We say it's a family reunion, but Julia hasn't come alone.
47:10
She has intercepted Tiffany. Yes, she has brought Tiffany
47:13
with her. So Tiffany and Kirsty, while you
47:18
know the fire is going and there's some argument happening,
47:21
they try and run off and Julia is biting Frank.
47:27
So hold on, can I, can I ask a question?
47:29
Yes. Were they insinuating that Frank
47:33
and Julia are the parents of Tiffany?
47:36
I don't think so. I thought that that's what they
47:38
were trying. To do no, I think Tiffany was an
47:40
afterthought. I think they're just referring
47:42
to Kirstie, Frank and Julia being there.
47:44
OK, because that could have been a cool reveal right there
47:46
considering she had no family and then her family is like the
47:48
two worst people you ever. Knew, but she does have family.
47:51
Her mom is also the worst. Yeah, Julia, maybe.
47:55
Oh. My God OK sorry.
47:57
Tiffany got separated and Julia grabs at her but then she is
48:01
being pulled out of her. Skin.
48:04
Yeah, because it's just like a wind tunnel.
48:06
Because once again, as we literally just established with
48:09
Frank, your second set of skin a lot easier to lose than the
48:12
first set. Don't.
48:13
Don't lose that first set, yeah? Like the first set, you have to
48:16
like, solve the Lament Configuration, Demons come out,
48:19
pull it from you in horrific ways, yadda yadda yadda.
48:22
But that second set, like any like a candle, somebody holding
48:24
your hand too hard like that, shit's just gonna come right
48:27
off. This is all a result of Shenard,
48:29
by the way, because he emerged as a brand new Synabyte.
48:32
I love his design, it's so cool. It's like a worm that's grabbing
48:35
his head and just moving him around.
48:37
It's so good. So they end up back at the
48:40
hospital and they are wandering around.
48:45
All the patients are messing with Lament Configurations
48:48
themselves and Shinard comes in and he just starts squattering
48:51
all of them. I'm sorry, did you say Shinard?
48:54
Because I believe my notes have him referred to as a
48:58
Shinardabyte. Shinardabyte.
49:00
Nice, that's a good name for him.
49:02
I wonder if he like dumps himself that and how.
49:05
Shinardabyte. I mean, I don't know, I don't
49:09
feel like Chenard is super clippy.
49:12
He's not one of those. Types.
49:13
I think you learn the sassiness whenever you become a demon
49:15
because like Pinhead, it's pretty sassy.
49:18
I feel like it's probably one of the like, you know, you have
49:21
various categories, you have to score a big like a certain total
49:25
points out of all of the categories and the sassiness is
49:30
only like 10% of the points. So you can fail on it and still
49:33
get in. OK.
49:35
So you don't have to be like just finance like an exceptional
49:38
amount of SAS compared to everybody.
49:40
Else, yeah, it's kind of like how you know when you're doing
49:42
your driver's test, if you like fail like the K turn or
49:47
whatever, it's OK if you do really well at everything else
49:49
because it's not a make or break portion, but like you can't fail
49:52
like the parallel parking. Right.
49:53
You can't. You can't fail like the torture
49:56
or. Like being into.
49:57
Like suffering of like you're like your own self or other
50:00
people suffering. That's super.
50:02
Important. Which he we saw very big.
50:05
He's probably better at that than Pinhead was.
50:08
Yeah. That he was doing, yeah.
50:11
I wonder if they get to pick their Cinnabite form.
50:13
Well, I think it's all like it's related to their vice
50:17
beforehand, right? Because like we see when we see
50:20
them get turned into their human forms later, you can kind of get
50:24
why they turned into the Cinnabite that they were I feel
50:27
like. I don't remember that.
50:29
I think that you can. Well, maybe it was just me
50:31
reading into it, I don't know. I like that theory, but I like I
50:36
would just need to anyway. Right.
50:39
Kirstie and Tiffany end up finding the rest of the Senator
50:41
bites and this is where she takes the photo of old Doug
50:46
Bradley and shows Pinhead picture of what he used to look
50:49
like and convinces him that you were once human.
50:53
And they all don't think that it's true until Pinhead
50:56
adventures. Like wait, I remember he
50:59
suddenly has flashbacks of himself like in whatever room
51:03
just saw the one that configuration himself.
51:06
Shannard interrupts and Pinhead tries to hook him up, but
51:11
Shannard ends up cutting himself loose and he stabs Deep Throat,
51:16
then see low by and then the Chatterer.
51:19
And then he reverts Pinhead to human form and then he ends up
51:25
just sweating his throat. And then when all of this
51:27
happens, I think this is when we see them turn into their human
51:31
selves. I'm sorry but if you thought my
51:33
Shenardo bite was good, this is the part where I referred to him
51:37
as Doc OP. Doc OP is good too.
51:39
That's really. Good.
51:40
And he this. Yeah, you're right.
51:41
He kills Pinhead. Tiffany runs for the Lament
51:45
Configuration and Kersey follows Doc OP pops back up and Kersey
51:49
gets separated from Tiffany. Julia appears as well and as
51:56
Julia kisses dark op, Tiffany grabs Lament configuration and
52:00
solves his head is pulled off. Julia is actually Kirsty wearing
52:04
Julia's skin and she pulls Tiffany up and as she's like
52:07
pulling her up that's when the skin comes off again.
52:09
They run back to the hospital and there are flowers on all of
52:13
the beds, which is beautiful and symbolic but also what the fuck
52:18
happened all the patients tell me.
52:20
Yeah, I don't know. It's not very clear.
52:22
Like the hospital is just basically empty now.
52:24
I don't even know how long it's been since they like we're gone,
52:27
but we just see them leave the hospital together like
52:29
everything's fine. Yep, and then we see movers at
52:33
Shannara's house as they're moving stuff, they find the
52:36
bloody mattress. Yeah, and one of the guys goes
52:40
to like investigate and like as he leans over to reach shut the
52:43
mattress, a hand pops up and grabs him.
52:45
And then the other guy looking for his partner goes upstairs to
52:49
find him. And then as he walks into the
52:51
room, we see the hell pillar rise up from the ground.
52:53
And it's just spinning around this guy pieces of like other
52:56
cinder bites and just body parts.
52:58
And then we see the head of the guy that just got sucked in
53:01
there and the movie ends. There we go.
53:07
I think I'm still I'll. Keep mine at 9.
53:10
I like this movie a lot man. I think it's really, really
53:12
solid. I'm going to keep it at a 6.5.
53:14
I just, there's a little bit too much brooding, you know what I
53:19
mean? Yeah, I want a little something
53:22
more behind the brooding. I think maybe some of the stuff
53:25
that got cut for time maybe should have been stuff that was
53:28
left, you know, like if part of this is supposed to be that
53:32
we're looking at panheads, humans that like we're trying to
53:35
focus more on the human side of the obsession beforehand.
53:38
Like, I feel like that would have been more important to
53:40
focus on besides like going through the individual house,
53:44
you know? Normally I really don't need to
53:46
know the history of these people, but I think this movie
53:49
makes it a little bit different. I am somewhat interested in the
53:53
history of so these people. I really don't need to know much
53:56
though. I like knowing that he was a
53:58
soldier and human at one point was really all I need to know
54:00
about them. I don't need to know why they
54:04
ended up there. That could be a whole other
54:05
movie on its own, but nobody would probably want that because
54:09
you don't want to have Pinhead without him being Pinhead, you
54:11
know? So is that what you would
54:13
change? Yeah.
54:14
All right. So Talia was pretty sleepy
54:18
throughout and, you know, she was sleeping and this whole
54:21
movie kind of feels like a dream or a nightmare.
54:24
It's a nightmare. So I think that this resonated
54:27
with Talia. I think she would give it a
54:28
seven. Yeah, because that rhymes with
54:30
heaven. Yeah, exactly.
54:32
I was going to say yeah, Zoe, her ultimate warrior.
54:39
I think Carl's might worry and this one would be Julia.
54:42
You think so? She eating them people.
54:44
So it does eat people. Yeah.
54:46
Like, not really. But she chews on me sometimes,
54:48
yeah. Yeah, she's on my lap right now.
54:50
Yeah, all right. Who's your relate to?
54:53
I also relate to Tiffany because I like puzzles.
54:56
OK, I really add to the Shunard obsession room.
55:01
I like like if you know, there's like a thing that I'm really
55:04
into, I would like to have like a whole room dedicated to that.
55:08
And you know, he that's what he did at the end, like a whole
55:10
room dedicated to like researching this one super
55:12
interesting subject for him. That's true, he did OK Dream
55:18
sequel. Yeah, I really want to watch the
55:21
rest of these movies, especially 3.
55:23
But yeah, let's see if we were to take it from here on our own.
55:27
I I want to see Chernard return. Yeah, I want more.
55:33
How about? How about hell comes to earth?
55:36
Like they ended up accidentally as a result of what happened
55:38
last time because they ended up causing the collapse of the
55:40
leviathan. Maybe it just essentially just
55:44
teleported all of the shit from hell into reality.
55:49
Oh I kind of like that idea. Like so random things just start
55:52
appearing. Like there's like the leviathan
55:55
that's just in the sky and the city.
55:57
Yeah, what would you do if you just saw a leviathan like that?
56:00
Shit my pants. Well, and you know what it is,
56:03
but like, what if you didn't even know what it is?
56:05
Shit my pants. I would be fucking scared.
56:07
OK? I would think it's aliens at
56:09
first. That's.
56:11
And then when I saw demons, I would say like, shit, I didn't
56:13
expect aliens to look like this. This is way scarier than I
56:17
anticipated. But it's kind of cool to know
56:19
that they kind of have like human elements to them, like
56:21
nails. I didn't think aliens would have
56:23
nails, but they probably do since they also are in advanced
56:26
life form. Are nails related to being in
56:29
advanced life form? Pin heads, nails in his head,
56:33
not like human nails, but like, you know, like nails and screws
56:37
and tools. I.
56:38
Mean nails are one of the most simple machines out there.
56:40
Well, I'm a simple man. OK tagline.
56:43
Holy hell. I think it is probably the best
56:46
one we're going to do for this. It's already better than the
56:48
original. One, it'd either be holy hell or
56:50
we're bad guys, but we're not the worst guys.
56:54
We're bad guys, but we're not the worst guys.
56:56
I kind of like that one too. And I think holy hell, just.
57:01
Yeah, yeah. OK, let's do.
57:03
Holy hell. OK.
57:05
All right, I guess we now go into reviews.
57:08
Yeah. Indeed we do, yeah.
57:10
We'll go with a -1 since you're more on the boss side even
57:14
though you're not. Like 5.
57:16
Yeah, you're not like the biggest.
57:18
Song I don't hate this movie. I just, I don't love it at the
57:21
same level that you do. So this is a 2 out of 10.
57:24
Awful. Those were rated back in 2006.
57:27
The original is overrated, but this makes it look like Citizen
57:30
Kane. With the possible exception of
57:32
The Howling or The Exorcist. This is the most precipitous
57:35
drop off in quality of a sequel ever.
57:38
Good God it's bad. Unpleasant imagery can be
57:41
powerful if attached to a purpose, and none of it is
57:44
evident here. The film appears to have been
57:46
edited together at random and the story is incomprehensible.
57:50
This has been blamed on Andrew Robinson's well advised refusal
57:53
to participate in necessitating frantic rewrites as an excuse.
57:57
This is severely inadequate. Although the best portrayals of
58:01
the devil tend to be minimalist, see uncredited Dustin Hoffman in
58:05
The Messenger. Depicting him it as a giant
58:09
black parallelogram is taking things a bit too far.
58:13
Pointless. Even the effects have dated
58:15
badly. The 2 rating is in recognition
58:18
of the professionalism of Clare Higgins, who decides to have a
58:22
pretty good go at creating a wicked stepmother for the ages,
58:26
and the passable entertainment of counting how many times
58:29
characters run up and down corridors yelling Kirsty Ashley.
58:33
Who's Ashley? I think he just got mixed up
58:37
there because that's the actor's name.
58:39
Oh, OK, yeah. But yeah, that's it, which I can
58:44
I get that because I said the same thing.
58:46
I don't really know what I was going down like story wise in
58:49
this movie. Yeah.
58:51
I think the imagery though is like it is enough to carry the
58:55
movie for me. This movie is just more of an
58:57
experience. I really don't go to this movie
58:59
for this story. I go to see this like weird shit
59:02
happening in hell and get like the feels from what I'm
59:07
observing rather than the story and being.
59:09
Told I think that's funny because we both have those
59:12
movies that we enjoy that don't really have a story.
59:15
They're just more something that you just kind of experience, but
59:19
they're very different kinds of experiences, you know.
59:22
So I think that was our similar but reversed argument was like
59:25
Neon Demon, like you didn't love it so much and you're like,
59:29
there's you were like, I don't know what the fuck's going on.
59:31
Like I don't either, but like I'm just enjoying the ride.
59:33
I well, The thing is, I think you can slide if you enjoy like
59:36
the other aspects of it. Yeah, too.
59:38
So like that's the thing. I enjoy a lot of those aspects
59:41
of this movie to where the story, like it doesn't live and
59:45
die, live or die on that right there alone.
59:48
Yeah, OK. All right, so let's do some
59:52
listener reviews. All right, so we have Michael
59:56
Michael Lee Howard who says much alike the Texas Chainsaw
59:58
Massacre franchise. Hellraiser is one of the most
1:00:01
inconsistent series. Hellbound is an exception in the
1:00:04
series. Moving off where the original
1:00:06
Hellraiser ended, we revisit the characters of Kirstie and Julia.
1:00:10
There is dark magic, body horror, more cinebytes, and a
1:00:13
fun version of Hell. I always watched Hellraiser and
1:00:16
Hellbound together. Another disappointment. 8 1/2
1:00:19
out of 10. That's a good idea.
1:00:21
Watching them together, that's like doing Halloween one and two
1:00:23
together. Like the two movies kind of flow
1:00:25
perfectly. Yeah, I can see that.
1:00:27
And finally we have Johnny who says it's not a perfect movie
1:00:30
but it's a ton of fun and always a favorite of mine.
1:00:33
I remember renting it at Blockbuster to watch at a
1:00:35
friend's house. Doug Bradley as the hell priest
1:00:38
Pinhead and the Cinnabites are iconic.
1:00:41
Our direction was on point, but the pacing misstep.
1:00:46
I can agree with. That yeah, that's what you said
1:00:49
too. You said once you get the hell,
1:00:50
the pacing kind of goes a little bit off the hinges there.
1:00:53
Yeah. Yeah, I think the Cinnabites
1:00:55
really do help carry this movie too.
1:00:56
They are super cool. Yeah, the the story really just
1:01:00
falls short. I think the pacing, I agree.
1:01:02
It does kind of like meander there for a bit with the
1:01:05
hallways, but the things that we do together are so cool that I
1:01:10
think it makes up for the shortcomings it has.
1:01:13
I kind of would love a how razor movie that's like in Doctor
1:01:16
Sleet the book you see a lot more of the True Knot like
1:01:21
trying to hunt down like special folks with like their own
1:01:26
Shining or whatever and you get to see a lot more of their
1:01:30
groups like dynamics and motivations and everything.
1:01:33
I would love a Hellraiser movie from the Cenobites perspective
1:01:35
in this similar kind of thing. Like they're trying to entice
1:01:39
various people to come to hell. Yeah, Yeah.
1:01:43
I think that could be interesting to see, yeah, just
1:01:46
because that would also give you some Cenobites screen time and I
1:01:50
think that would be that would get a lot of people interested
1:01:53
too. That would give a lot of people
1:01:54
what they actually want all. Right.
1:01:57
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1:01:59
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1:03:34
agree to disagree. Italia just farted so bad right
1:03:37
now.