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Episode 85: Breaking Down the Kadavo Arc, Part 3: "Escape from Kadavo" · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  Hello there. It's most things Kenobi.
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  This is the podcast you're looking for.
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  Hi, everyone, welcome to another episode of most.
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  Thanks Kenobi. A podcast about Obi-Wan Kenobi
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  and all things Star Wars. I'm your host Lauren, and I'm
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  your host Leanne, and this week, we're wrapping up the kitchen,
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  50 Arc, we're going to discuss escape from kadavo.
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  Yes, I don't even know what to say.
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  Well, the official description of the episode says a grim
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  situation that grows increasingly Bleak accurate.
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  Grim is a good. Word for it.
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  Truly that could be the entire Star Wars saga the grin.
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  Yeah, yeah, this is where poor Obi-Wan suffers the most and
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  Rex. It's it's awful dude.
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  Like just this opening sequence is so horrific.
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  I don't know watching it with a more critical eye to like pay
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  attention so we could talk about it.
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  I really feel it's sad. It really is sad and it's not.
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  So we mentioned last week. How everyone in this whole Arc
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  is made aware that they are a slave quote unquote to somebody,
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  right? And that really comes to head to
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  a head in this episode you know because Dooku shows up right?
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  And of course Palpatine / Sidious is behind the whole damn
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  thing. Right?
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  Right. And a lot of lives are lost.
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  So yeah, it's a grim situation turned increasingly Bleak, but
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  you brought up something that made me literally pause what I
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  was doing at the time that you texted me, the last episode was
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  called slaves of the Republic, not slaves, of zygerria, more
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  slaves of the Empire or slaves of the separatists.
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  It was slaves of the Republic. Yeah.
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  I it's like, it never registered in my brain before me.
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  Not until you said that. And then I sat and thought about
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  it, I'm like, oh my God, the third episode of this Arc, the
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  one we're talking about really shows it.
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  Like they offered to do all this for, you know, the cause the
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  Jedi cause but they're doing it for the Republic, right?
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  And it's, it's all under Palpatine.
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  Yeah, just throw them in this terrible.
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  I just, it just really brought it home for me when you sent me
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  that text. Message I was like, oh, fuck,
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  yeah, because they're not slaves.
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  Like the slaves are not of the Republic, the slaves are
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  kidnapped by separatists and is a giri.
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  And so I was like, wait a minute, they're clearly making
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  their point without our without a lot of us noticing.
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  I think and I think the poor people of the curto routines of
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  Kiros that this whole thing started with we finally get to
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  see the most of them in this. and I think it's been about
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  Anakin Ahsoka Obi-Wan Rex to an extent, you know, all of the
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  Republic people with the implication that they have to
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  save the people of Kiros from this slaving Empire, but it's
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  been them being slaves, and being kept and being tortured
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  and being used all up until this point when we finally get to
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  rescue, the people of Kiros, which is why we're here in the
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  first place left to Glass mi get But this, this note, if no one
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  had a good time in the last episode, this is just a that was
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  a bad day. This is a bad week wrapped into
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  one episode. Yeah, we don't even know how
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  much time has passed. It's true.
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  That's, I've always been curious because like Obi One also has no
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  idea that anyone is ever coming for him and Rex.
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  They don't even know where they are, right?
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  Right. And they're in this Because a
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  guillotine spurred right there put on a ship with no windows
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  and they arrive in this place that they don't know that.
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  No one ever tells them where they are and I've started to,
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  like, look very carefully. Like there's, there's no
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  windows, there's no sunlight, it's all toxic are.
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  It's hard labor. They're being beaten, starved
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  and humiliated With no end in sight, you brought it up.
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  I wanted to, I don't know if people are aware of this fact.
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  And I know this because I researched it for my Luke story,
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  mmm, that kadavo itself. They chose that planet as the
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  home base of there, slaving of their facility because if the
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  slaves in the facility escaped they would immediately die due
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  to the poisonous air. A fake, it's terrible, it's a
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  planet full of like craters that emit acid.
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  Yeah, and like, it's a really stable low atmosphere.
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  So it keeps it doesn't get mixed out.
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  It stays stagnant. That's interesting.
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  So, like it makes sense from their point of view, like
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  Nigeria, let's put them on a planet where if they, if they do
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  decide to leave, they're going to die anyway.
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  That's horrible. It's like Alcatraz, it is It's
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  just like that. That part just that's off this
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  horrible. So Obi-Wan and Rex, get taken
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  there, I would say, a few days have gone by at least because
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  yeah, I'll be one. Seems at his and not his wits
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  and or like the end of it, but he's just, he's obviously worn.
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  He gets pushed really far and like, there are things that I
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  noticed that I kind of hadn't noticed before even though watch
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  the six million times in the beginning where That slave is
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  getting whipped in front of ov1 and they tell them to beg.
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  He has this look on his face for a second.
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  Like he doesn't even know what to do.
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  Yeah. And then he just like gets on
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  his knees as there's begging, the them to stop hurting this
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  other poor creature. This just, I can't even like,
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  even talking about, this is awful.
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  I hate even saying these words and Like that's insane.
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  And then later, when the queen is, like telling Dooku what's
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  happening to 0, b 1 and you see the zai Jian come up and like
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  kick his food and he goes still like his first reaction is anger
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  and that is not something we see very often.
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  So he's already pushed Beyond his stoic.
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  Jedi calm self and is having emotional.
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  Reactions that you don't see anywhere else.
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  No but that's what those kind of conditions will do to a person
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  over and over and over and over. You know it's what he says right
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  at the beginning. Everything about this place is
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  designed to shatter the will and it's suspended over a giant
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  crater a bottom that iater. It's disgusting.
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  I actually fucking hate it. It's so awesome.
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  It's brilliant from a storytelling.
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  View because they were creative enough to think this through,
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  you know, think like a slaver. Would I guess.
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  My favorite part of the episode is when the queen as she dies,
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  she tells Anakin you were right Skywalker.
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  I am a slave just as you are mmm-hmm, maybe a little too late
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  Queen, you know. But she also made the point that
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  just as you are until Anakin a former slave, that he's still a
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  slave that would rub Anakin the wrong way.
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  That would linger with him. He's already pissed, right?
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  Right. Well, I mean pissed in general
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  because Anakin but pissed because like the slaves and he
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  has to deal with this and he doesn't know where I'll be want
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  is and all this stuff and yeah, he's getting to his maximum.
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  But for the queen to like Basically admit like yeah I was
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  a slave just as you are those are keywords I think but I like
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  that she admitted it. Yeah, I also liked that she
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  gives like a little laugh and she's dying this queen because
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  she knows she is herself like her true self all the way to the
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  end. Like she yes she's such an
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  interesting character but I agree.
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  I I've noticed that in the whole rest of the episode.
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  And I could just kills every zai geryon.
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  He comes across from this point forward.
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  Yes. And yes, he does.
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  He enjoys it. I'm not gonna lie, I kind of
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  enjoyed it too. Well, it's there's this like
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  this technique in film and movies and books will you know,
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  and he's kind of Storytelling where you push the audience out
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  of their own mortal Comfort Zone by putting them with the There's
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  there's I don't recommend watching it as a movie called
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  dogville, which is super upsetting, don't watch it.
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  But what it does is it takes a morally dubious character.
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  Someone that you might not actually like and you make her
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  feel so you make the audience feel so sorry for her that when
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  she commits this horrific act at the end, you're like, that's
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  exactly what those people deserved and you become as bad
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  as they are. yes, and it's kind of interesting when We feel that
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  way, we even said it, what were we talking about?
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  There was something else we were talking about where?
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  Oh, it was Deidre at the end up? Yeah.
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  Or yeah, yeah. For their like dragging her and
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  and for a minute, I was kind of like they'll shake out of
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  deserves that I wasn't. I wasn't totally upset to see
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  her struggling, right? It was a little satisfying and
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  when you I think, especially people who aren't Likely to harm
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  other people watching this kind of stuff.
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  Like, I was just saying, it's hard to even talk about this
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  episode, it's uncomfortable. So by the end we're like yeah, I
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  just kill all the sea genes to fucking awful.
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  You're terrible. I feel like Anakin was probably
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  well. I like again he got to the end
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  of his capacity to handle it so he just didn't and killed but he
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  also probably felt in some way like it through the example that
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  you just provided justified in just mowing them down.
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  Hmm. Because they're all horrible
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  people. They all did Terrible Things.
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  Yeah, he's had to withhold or restrain himself up until this
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  point, you know? And he, he just wanted to get to
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  Obi-Wan and Rex, anyway, well, and speaking of them, that's the
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  second greatest part of this episode to me me to, like, I
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  love that scene because it's the same exact thing I'm assuming
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  were talking about when Rex stabs the.
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  Oh yeah, prison Warden. It might be the sexiest moment
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  in reqtest, right? Rex is super hot in this
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  episode. Rex's are throwing that out
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  there boss. Yeah I'm a fan.
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  Any big fan in that moment when keeper Argus says come now
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  Master Kenobi you I know you won't kill an unarmed man come
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  Master Kenobi. I know a Jedi won't kill an
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  unarmed man Obi-Wan looks at Rex in this way where it's like our
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  You gonna do it? Or am I gonna do it?
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  One of us is doing it. Yeah, and people forget that
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  I'll be one kills. They always forget because he
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  doesn't really in Clone Wars, but, Ewan, McGregor's version of
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  Obi-Wan. Oh, yes, kills a lot of
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  creatures without without a second, guess.
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  And he's always cutting off limbs.
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  Oh well, I don't just mean. And again, I mean everybody even
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  old Obi-Wan Cuts limbs off in the canteen.
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  Has he written? He really does.
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  So I really don't think that was Obi-Wan hesitating.
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  I think that was him looking at Rex.
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  Like if you want to go right ahead, the offers here, the
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  offers here, Rex and Rex took it?
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  I know it's so good. The best part is that they
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  always have to drop the one liner, right?
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  It was so good to oh my God. So satisfying.
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  It's great. What does he say?
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  Does he say? I'm not a Jedi, he says, I'm no
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  Jedi on the Jedi, but I'm sorry the way that guy's a little
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  motor chair. Smashes emotive.
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  Jeff wall. He's such a fat-ass that he
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  needs a motor chair. It's so funny and gruesome at
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  the same time. It's like he's version of a
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  Costco scooter. I'm not making fun of people
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  know, a little rascal. Yeah.
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  George Costanza in the little rascal ran down New York City.
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  Oh my God. You're so right.
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  This is the Star Wars version of Let's go.
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  Well, I'm glad he died in his chair because he wasn't getting
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  out of it for anything. No.
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  Well, and he was always able to float.
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  Just tie it up that no one could actually reach him and kill him.
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  Sprite except for export price, had the reach, he could be a
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  javelin, he could. Could an Olympian?
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  Yeah, damn. It was very impressive and sexy.
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  Yeah, I mean yeah I'm team rex. Yeah, same and I think I do like
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  that it was Obi-Wan and Rex instead of Anakin and Rex.
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  Usually it's the other way around, right?
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  So everyone gets gets to bond with Rex over this, you know, in
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  future talks. Hey remember that time?
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  Yeah, right. Javelins speared some dude, in a
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  Didn't care and it went not just through the guy, but through the
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  chair. Yeah, man, we gotta write a
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  scene where they get drunk together and talk about this,
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  that'd be so, okay, I'm down or like, where they're all sitting
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  around is a big group talking or like drinking after a really
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  hard Mission. And then over one and rest,
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  start talking about this horrific stuff that only like
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  they, They are bonded over the yeah that they are forever
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  bonded, over whatever went down in that basement.
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  Yeah. What was it like a coal there
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  shoveling? Yes.
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  Or mining or doing something? And like, probably even just
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  pointless also. Oh yeah.
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  For sure. It really reminded me of some
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  Industrial Revolution photography that's kind of
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  famous. There's one of a guy tightening
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  rivets on a steamship I think Called Powerhouse, mechanic
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  working on Steam pump by Lewis Hine.
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  Like it's a it's a really famous photograph.
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  If you look it up, you will recognize it.
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  And it's this guy with like super big muscles like cranking
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  like tightening rivets. And it's exactly like that shot
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  of the two Groot. Ins moving the crank together.
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  It almost reminds me of modern times by Charlie Chaplin.
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  If you've ever seen that movie, it's fucking great.
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  And it's not right. To laugh at this part but it I
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  think it was like a reference, honestly, I really do
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  interesting. So, that'll opening sequence
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  with everyone in Rex, like, Rex's face is so heartbreaking.
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  Yeah, he doesn't even speak. He's just witnessing all of this
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  and you could even say that. He's a true slave of the
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  Republic. He was young morning bred and
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  trained to be a slave. You're right disposable even.
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  Mmm, I've heard that said. Before.
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  Yeah, the end. He's the only one who doesn't
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  say anything. He.
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  Yeah, he doesn't say anything. No, he never gives his opinion.
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  And he's the one who probably besides Anakin who, of course
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  was a slave. But yeah, I mean it's
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  interesting because even the Jedi most of them were taken as
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  babies with no, say whatsoever and in their future.
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  And by the time, you're old enough to make a decision of
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  whether or not you want to say a Jedi, you're pretty well.
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  And truly brainwashed by then yeah you're already in your yeah
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  percent in. You've drunk the Kool-Aid it's
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  all you know anyway. Yeah exactly and you have these
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  Powers. What are you gonna do with them?
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  Yeah. Right.
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  You know, levitate rocks for a living.
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  You have all this cool stuff that no one else has so you
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  might as well just stay and endure it.
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  But yeah, yeah, Rex and his boys, they just never had a
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  choice really as we as we come to know.
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  And there's That interesting episode where they cut lock
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  Wayne is that his name, the guy, who's a deserter who has a
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  family? He said, oh, yeah.
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  Yeah. And there's that conversation
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  between him and Rex which is kind of interesting and I guess
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  they kind of like, I wonder if Rex is opinion changes because
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  that's like season 2. It is.
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  It's pretty early. Yeah, so by the time he gets to
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  season seven where he's having to kill his own brother's.
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  I wonder how different his opinion.
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  Is, you know, I don't know if they know his opinion when we
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  get to bad batch. Yeah, he's great in bed, badge.
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  I mean, by that point, I mean by that point, he's had the spoiler
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  alert, he said, the chip removed right.
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  Shit. That's a soldier that seen
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  stuff, you know? Yeah.
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  It's like when we saw in the Kenobi series, the soldier, the
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  Clone, mmm. It was like, homeless in the
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  street. Like, I wonder if their opinion
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  changes. It's like early on sure.
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  They're all gung-ho. It's what were bred to do?
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  Its what? We're Born to do it.
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  So I'll go down for my team, and my crew and everything, and then
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  slowly of wears on and on, and you get through all these
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  different missions, including this one and I'm sure Rex had an
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  opinion. Hmm, formed that went against,
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  you know, his conditioning. Yes, he should shit.
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  If the Jedi are having a and they're waking up to this, I
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  would assume the Clones, would ya depending on the missions and
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  stuff. Absolutely well, and after like,
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  the pong Krell episodes that we talked about that are just prior
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  to this sequence. Like just this season alone, I'm
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  sure what have impacted Rex's opinions by the end of it all.
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  Yeah, because that It was a mess.
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  Yeah. I would love to do an episode
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  about that. Yeah we will and I also it'd be
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  very interesting to do an episode about The Citadel and
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  like kind of compare the Citadel to this Nigerian facility
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  because there's some similarities The Citadel was
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  made to keep Jedi. Like what are we doing?
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  So like why is this thing even existing?
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  We will talk about that. We need to do an arc describing
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  the Citadel shit because so good.
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  It's so good. Oh my God.
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  But oh I'm so much comes to light and there's so many
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  moments but like I know. Ah but again what the fuck it's
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  so it's like there's so many parallels to it to end like even
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  that it's built on a planet that's like gonna kill you if
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  you escape. Same.
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  Yeah. But kill Jedi what?
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  So which came first of the arcs in the show or just like no you
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  don't mean like, who decided to put all of?
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  These facilities on planets that you can't escape from.
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  Was it the Jedi that came up with it?
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  And then the separatist took the idea of the flavors?
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  I don't know. Did the slavers come up with it?
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  Well, it comes to play here morality wise because let's say
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  the die the zygerrians and other slaving communities came up with
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  this. The Jedi had to have looked at
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  that and said, you know what? We could use that Daddy fucked
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  up, right? It's everything about the
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  Cedella confuses me. Because Anakin says it was built
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  to imprison Jedi who had lost their way and you and I have
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  always asked like did the Jedi build it because it's now under
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  separatist control like right? But what happened there?
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  Like, what the fuck is that story?
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  I'm interested very interested. Well, stay tuned.
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  We'll cover it seriously because all of this ties together and it
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  really ties into the bigger picture of like, What the fuck
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  were the Jedi actually doing? What was the Republic actually
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  doing? But we know that Palpatine was
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  ruling both. So it's like, right, not that
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  surprising, it's true. But at the same time, it's like
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  WTF. I don't know.
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  It's it's a lot, it's a lot. Well, if we go back and look at
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  like the queen and Anakin's interactions because there's
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  some interesting stuff that goes on there, when Dooku arrives.
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  Like one thing really quick, I wanted to mention to, I did a
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  little bit more research on the Babylon tie-in and yes, yes,
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  yes, yes. There's actual like the
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  Babylonian Hanging Gardens are like a famous thing and there's
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  hanging like plants and roses and stuff all over like,
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  hovering in these Ver vases I guess like all yeah over the
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  palace. I thought that was a really
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  cool. Little addition, they added in
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  there. I would love to have hovering
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  Planters. Yeah.
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  Me too, especially if they watered themselves they have to
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  have a watering system, right? Yeah, and Babylon.
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  Did it had like Aqueduct and stuff like that?
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  Yeah. If some Babylonians, when I come
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  in, you know, do my backyard. That'd be awesome.
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  Well, we could get the Fat guy in the chair, he could zoom
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  around and water them for for you in the chair.
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  Okay, whatever. If it stays no more spine?
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  Yeah, I could stuff out. Did you research anything else
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  on Babylon? Yeah, I kind of went, I went on
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  a crazy side tangent, researching it because I wanted
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  the other nuggets. Do you have?
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  Well, I was really interested because Ahsoka is hanging in a
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  cage off the side of the Citadel cast.
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  Whatever the palace. So I was trying to find out if
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  that was something practiced in Babylon.
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  I could not find anything about it but it was definitely
• 23:38
  something that was practiced in. The United Kingdom and other
• 23:42
  parts of Europe in the Middle Ages.
• 23:46
  So yeah, I'd get into some really disturbing research
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  there. Is it gonna discolor my
• 23:54
  rose-colored glasses for Babylon?
• 23:57
  No. I mean Babylon is its own shit
• 24:00
  show, honestly. But it it really is, it really
• 24:02
  is. Let's talk about Ahsoka because
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  this is where I have a problem with this episode, okay?
• 24:07
  And I've never liked the ending of this episode.
• 24:10
  Me either I we've got this really that.
• 24:13
  Yeah, we have not discussed it because she seems awfully
• 24:19
  nonchalant about the fact that there are fucking togruta pne's
• 24:23
  about to die at all points. Throughout this whole Arc.
• 24:27
  Those are her people. And at one point, she says, I'm
• 24:29
  going to go help my people. It was like the first time.
• 24:32
  She fucking said it, I like, she's oddly chill.
• 24:37
  Yeah. Well, everyone is oddly Chill by
• 24:40
  the end weirdly enough. I just the whole like, like a
• 24:44
  few of them, don't make it, a few of them fall right off the
• 24:47
  thing. They don't make it down the
• 24:49
  ropes, dude, on to the shit you were supposed to be 50,000 of
• 24:54
  them. Yeah, and they ended up with,
• 24:56
  like, what? 35 that.
• 24:58
  Exactly. Where did they all go?
• 25:01
  Are they dead? The whole fucking end of this is
• 25:06
  so questionable. And my biggest question is, if I
• 25:10
  see myself my own species, if I'm not human, right.
• 25:13
  I'm humanoid or an alien species hybrid thing, like, I told to
• 25:18
  Rutten, mmm, I'm gonna be like fiercely protective and like
• 25:22
  kind of overboard with like wanting to like, but those are
• 25:26
  my people. I want to save my people.
• 25:28
  We got to remember the people. Yes, she just like doesn't bring
• 25:32
  it up ever. Yeah, and it's weird because
• 25:35
  she's she is a really good Jedi. So maybe that's part of it.
• 25:40
  She's better at Annie and then controlling her emotions maybe
• 25:43
  because she keeps seeing him losing his shit over and over.
• 25:47
  Yeah, I mean, yeah, I said right way to act in a wrong way to act
• 25:50
  as a Jedi. And she has enough experience
• 25:53
  seeing what the wrong way is through Anakin.
• 25:57
  So I'll give her that. But I just was always like oh,
• 26:01
  That's it. They saved the 42 odd.
• 26:06
  Number of whatever togruta needs that were left.
• 26:11
  I guess we're missing a forty, nine thousand, nine hundred and
• 26:15
  seventy-two croutons, but there's no big deal.
• 26:18
  No big deal. A, why didn't they just go to
• 26:20
  Cabo in the first place? Who what do you mean?
• 26:25
  Why didn't they just take the the the cruiser, the ship go,
• 26:29
  underneath the facility. Oh, cuz they had to be
• 26:31
  transferred from Zhao jie. Re-attack, addabbo, right.
• 26:34
  Yeah, mmm. Okay.
• 26:36
  Because I was like just fucking go in also, is it only togruta?
• 26:40
  Is there? Why didn't they save anybody
• 26:41
  else? Right, that's what I was
• 26:43
  thinking in a facility like this, they must have had more
• 26:45
  and there's probably all their facilities on the planet, but
• 26:48
  whatever. I mean, okay, there condensing
• 26:51
  it into a 20 minute episode fine.
• 26:53
  I get it. But like, yeah.
• 26:54
  I've also always really been bothered by the very end, like
• 26:58
  the last conversation between her and the governor who
• 27:03
  survived. Because first of all, of all the
• 27:07
  people in this episode, like you just said, she didn't really
• 27:11
  seem to be having the most turmoil by comparison to what
• 27:15
  like Obi-Wan and Rex or even Anakin facing his Demons of his
• 27:19
  past and they end the episode with Ahsoka having this really
• 27:23
  Naive conversation with the governor about joining, the
• 27:25
  Republic is the right decision and the people will be stronger
• 27:28
  for having survived. This it's like, we all know that
• 27:31
  the Republic is about to fall apart and become the Empire.
• 27:35
  And Ahsoka is a child and I'm sorry, but a smart as you are a
• 27:39
  child, does not understand politics.
• 27:42
  I'm here to tell you. I true, anybody who thinks they
• 27:45
  get the big picture as a sixteen-year-old can fuck right
• 27:49
  off. Yeah, I don't even get it is Is
• 27:53
  it 37 year-old? We don't even understand it.
• 27:55
  Also correct. It's naive that a governor would
• 27:59
  be taking political advice from a teenager and I just felt like
• 28:03
  that this episode or this Arc has been so intense and so
• 28:08
  upsetting that it needed a different kind of closure at the
• 28:11
  ending. I think it should have had an
• 28:14
  angry closure with Anakin mmm. Or a discussion between Anakin
• 28:20
  and either Obi-Wan or Anakin and Ahsoka one of the two.
• 28:24
  Yeah, master and Apprentice one of the two.
• 28:27
  Yeah, look at everything. That was revealed during this.
• 28:31
  We are not free as our own entity here as part of the
• 28:36
  Republicans. I think that would have played
• 28:38
  more into what they're trying to what they're trying to do is to
• 28:42
  try to accomplish by Bridging, the Gap between attack of the
• 28:46
  Clones and Revenge of the Sith. Hmm.
• 28:49
  And it would have also if they would have highlighted ahsoka's
• 28:52
  anger. Maybe a little bit, just a
• 28:56
  little. It would have led to
• 28:59
  cohesiveness with her leaving the Jedi Order in the very end.
• 29:03
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 29:04
  And I know the next Arc is the deception Arc and so that drives
• 29:08
  a wedge between Obi-Wan and Anakin.
• 29:11
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 29:11
  Yeah. This could have played into that
• 29:15
  set up. Yeah, exactly.
• 29:17
  It's so to have it end with Ahsoka, I get it so because Dave
• 29:22
  filoni is favorites, of course, it's gotta be about Sokka all
• 29:24
  The time, I mean tote to togruta needs but it was the wrong
• 29:29
  discussion between two togruta pne's.
• 29:31
  Yeah. And like the Degroot ins were
• 29:33
  like a means to an end to tell this story, you know, like,
• 29:37
  right. It wasn't actually about them.
• 29:39
  It was about Anakin being faced with slavery and also having to,
• 29:46
  it's like, I said, it's another wedge driven between him and his
• 29:49
  ideology. Plus, what we just talked about
• 29:54
  with Rex and everything that he's experienced and facing.
• 29:57
  Yeah, slavery and ob1 being using his strength, against him
• 30:02
  as a weapon and having to face that, why didn't they have a
• 30:06
  round table? They should have had, like, a
• 30:08
  Kumbaya. We need to sit down to talk
• 30:11
  about this, which, I mean, that's a No-No and the Jedi
• 30:15
  Order, but Liam, you would think that Anakin could have just
• 30:19
  pulled Obi-Wan aside and been, like, okay, Now that we're out
• 30:22
  of that, what the fuck was that? Yeah, exactly.
• 30:25
  I mean, even at the Citadel at the very end where there's that
• 30:28
  talk between Anakin and Tarkin and then Obi-Wan says, like, we
• 30:31
  can't compromise our ideals. There wasn't even that that
• 30:38
  could have been the moment for it to have the talk of Ideal.
• 30:42
  Yeah. What we just went through
• 30:43
  fucking sucked and it was at the order of our upper higher-ups,
• 30:50
  you were wearing a fucking shock.
• 30:52
  How do you feel about all of that?
• 30:53
  Yeah, exactly. We carry on turn that.
• 30:56
  Turn that argument back on Obi-Wan and say, how are your
• 30:59
  ideals doing now? You know.
• 31:01
  Yeah. The perfect setup for the the
• 31:04
  wedge that is driven then yeah, the deception Arc so it's a more
• 31:08
  interesting in our opinion it would have been more
• 31:11
  interesting. Yeah.
• 31:12
  And like be a get why it's a kid show or whatever but like if you
• 31:16
  want to place it are you guys yeah.
• 31:17
  Like what was this whole Arc then is a kids show?
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• 32:45
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• 32:48
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