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Ep. 671: Deep South Whitetail Scouting Done Right with Adam Moore · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to
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  Speaker 1: the white tail Woods, presented by First Light, creating proven
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  Speaker 1: Light Go farther, stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your guest host,
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  Speaker 2: Tony Peterson, and today I'm speaking to Adam Moore about
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  Speaker 2: scouting down South. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the Wired to
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  Speaker 2: Hunt podcast, which is brought to you by First Light.
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  Speaker 2: You probably know why.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, this is not the mustachioed madman Mark Kenyon. He's
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  Speaker 2: actually off with our good friend Spencer making a kung
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  Speaker 2: fu movie. That's honestly all the details I have on
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  Speaker 2: this situation, but I'm sure he'll be a blockbuster, and
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  Speaker 2: not just those two weirdos fake punching and kicking each
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  Speaker 2: other in their pajamas while yelling hyah to one another. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: I have a special treat for all you whitetail hunters
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  Speaker 2: who say akorn Clay Newcombe style versus acorn, which is
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  Speaker 2: the proper pronunciation. Today I'm speaking with Adam Moore, who
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  Speaker 2: lives way down in the bottom of the country in Mississippi.
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  Speaker 2: Adam is an accomplished outdoor writer who spends a lot
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  Speaker 2: of time both bow and rifle hunting the swamp dwelling
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  Speaker 2: whitetails the South. I had a blast talking with him
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  Speaker 2: and hearing about his scouting strategies and how he deals
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  Speaker 2: with the challenges of being a Southern whitetail hunter, and
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  Speaker 2: I think you're gonna love listening to his vice. Adam,
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  Speaker 2: How you doing, Buddy.
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  Speaker 3: Good, Great to be here, Tony. Thanks.
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  Speaker 2: Are you? Are you still a little sad that old
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  Speaker 2: Cormack McCarthy finally finally bit the dust on us after
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  Speaker 2: eighty nine years and his crazy journey as a writer.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually wasn't sure like how to feel about
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  Speaker 3: it at the time when I heard. I mean, obviously
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  Speaker 3: it was like a blow, but like I don't know
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  Speaker 3: him personally, But at the same time, like this is
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  Speaker 3: also the guy who, like, it's probably the reason I
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  Speaker 3: ended up, you know, studying English in college and even
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  Speaker 3: had an interest interest in reading it.
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  Speaker 2: All is your favorite author?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. Y.
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  Speaker 3: I just finished his The Passenger actually a couple of
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  Speaker 3: weeks ago, and was just thinking about that and then
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  Speaker 3: another book i'd read of his suchery that I read
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  Speaker 3: this summer too, and yeah, it was pretty cool because
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  Speaker 3: you know he's writing about places that that are like
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  Speaker 3: an hour away from me here in Mississippi. Uh. He
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  Speaker 3: actually mentions Hatty's break in the book, and I was like,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, that's pretty cool. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He uh, he can really dial in a location, man.
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  Speaker 2: I mean that guy. And if anybody anybody listened to this,
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  Speaker 2: who's like, who the hell are you guys talking talking about?
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  Speaker 2: This is this is the author of No Country for
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  Speaker 2: Old Men. This is the author of the Road. You know,
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  Speaker 2: those are the most famous works, probably because they're just
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  Speaker 2: known as the you know, they turned into movies. But
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  Speaker 2: he has written some amazing, amazing books in kind of
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  Speaker 2: unlikely locations, a lot of American Southwest and like Adam
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  Speaker 2: just said, some of the some of the Southern places,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the latest latest one down in New Orleans.
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  Speaker 2: Just such a such a badass writer. And what I
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  Speaker 2: didn't realize about it. You know, when I found out
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  Speaker 2: that he passed away, a bunch of people texted me,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, I started started looking around. He didn't
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  Speaker 2: so he was eighty nine when he passed away. He
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  Speaker 2: didn't even really start getting any recognition as a writer
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  Speaker 2: till he was in his sixties.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty wild. I mean, and I think,
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  Speaker 3: you know, Blood Meridians is the one really that put
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  Speaker 3: him on the map. But you know a lot of
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  Speaker 3: his early works that don't get mentioned, a lot a
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  Speaker 3: lot of those Appalachian books. Man, they're just as like
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  Speaker 3: messed up, so brutal, brutal, but also early true to
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  Speaker 3: I guess humanity or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he he has a gift or had a gift, man,
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  Speaker 2: And it's I uh, I think it's I think it's
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  Speaker 2: crazy to see somebody who's who has kind of ascended
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  Speaker 2: to that level, right, I mean there's like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, his name is in the same sentence as
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  Speaker 2: Faulkner and some of these dudes who changed the entire
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  Speaker 2: course of you know, like the literary course basically. But
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  Speaker 2: he didn't even he was three quarters of the way
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  Speaker 2: through his life or two thirds of the way through
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  Speaker 2: his life before he even got any recognition. I'm like, man,
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  Speaker 2: there's still hope. There's still hope for all of us.
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  Speaker 3: I have like thirty years sound good?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, do you do you think I know we're going
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  Speaker 2: to get to scouting here in a second. Do you
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  Speaker 2: think Blood Meridians ever going to actually get made into
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  Speaker 2: a movie? Because there's there you know, he was working
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  Speaker 2: on the screenplay when he when he passed away, and
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  Speaker 2: I just I think about that book and the care
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, man, that's a heavy lift to turn
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  Speaker 2: that into a movie.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I think just the fact that he was
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  Speaker 3: having to work on this a screenplay that hasn't been
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  Speaker 3: done effectively by numerous people, or it hasn't even been
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  Speaker 3: approached by numerous people. It's like pretty telling. I think
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  Speaker 3: that is it's gonna I'm not optimistic about it if
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  Speaker 3: it makes a stream. There's a lot of what makes
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  Speaker 3: that book so good or it drives it is stuff
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  Speaker 3: that's not going to make it good in the box office.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's I kind of want to see
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  Speaker 2: it make it. I don't know why, but I I
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  Speaker 2: feel like I'm just going to be disappointed, and I
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  Speaker 2: feel like I'm gonna be one of those pricks who's
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  Speaker 2: like the book was better, you know, of course.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, I think No Country was
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  Speaker 3: like spot On. I mean, not not entirely, but like
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  Speaker 3: as far as a movie, like I think the Coen
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  Speaker 3: Brothers just did I don't think they could have done
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  Speaker 3: any better.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty tight. They did a good job
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  Speaker 2: with that one. And what's crazy. So if you're listening
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  Speaker 2: to this and you've never read his books, the crazy
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  Speaker 2: thing about his books, not only his vocabulary was bananas.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you'd sit there and I'm looking up words
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  Speaker 2: all day long, like I've never heard this word that word.
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  Speaker 2: The imagery so badass. Some of that stuff in Blood
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  Speaker 2: Meridian is just it's done so well and it's so brutal.
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  Speaker 2: But the thing that you hear people complain about or
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  Speaker 2: they don't understand about him is, you know, he's like
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  Speaker 2: no punctuation. He doesn't write like a writer does, Like
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  Speaker 2: he didn't really fit the mold. And he was always
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  Speaker 2: kind of like, I don't care. I'm just doing what
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  Speaker 2: I do and you're not losing anything in his process.
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  Speaker 2: The way he does it, he's so good you still
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  Speaker 2: get everything out of it. And I always think about
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  Speaker 2: that in everything, and you look at hunting, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: I just spent a lot of time with Andy May,
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  Speaker 2: and Andie May has such a process. He's he's such
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  Speaker 2: a student of the game and his process is quite
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  Speaker 2: a bit different than mine, and quite a bit different
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  Speaker 2: than a lot of different people, and you go, it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't really matter, man, Like his results are this, they're
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  Speaker 2: so good that it doesn't matter. And I look at
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  Speaker 2: this and I go, this is why it's so important
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  Speaker 2: to expose yourself to so many different voices. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: maybe you want to be a bed hunting expert like
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  Speaker 2: some of the guys out there, or maybe you want
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  Speaker 2: to just fly through every hunting area like somebody else
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  Speaker 2: or whatever. And that's one of the reasons I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to get you on here, because one of the holes
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  Speaker 2: in my game that you Southern fellas point out to
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  Speaker 2: me a lot is we don't talk to Southern deer
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  Speaker 2: hunters enough. And I fully like, you're right, I hear you.
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  Speaker 2: It happens where you kind of see the white tail
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  Speaker 2: world through your own eyes and your own experience, and
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of hard to step outside the box. But
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  Speaker 2: I know when you do, you learn stuff. And that's
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  Speaker 2: why I'm so excited to have you on because anybody
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  Speaker 2: who's listening to you talk can tell you don't speak
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  Speaker 2: like I do. And there's a reason for that, right,
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  Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, where where where are you living at?
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  Speaker 3: So I live in Hattiesburg, Mississippi. So if anybody's familiar
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  Speaker 3: with that, it's brett far of country, so about an
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  Speaker 3: hour from the coast. They call it the hub city
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  Speaker 3: because you know, just about in any direction there's kind
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  Speaker 3: of a different city. So we've got New Orleans, which
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  Speaker 3: is southwest of here, obviously got the Gulf Coast, and
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  Speaker 3: then you know Mobile, Alabama, Birmingham, Jackson, so's they call
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  Speaker 3: Haddersburg the hub city. So it's really almost a tropical
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  Speaker 3: light climate. Rains here almost every day. You can bet
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  Speaker 3: during the summer like it's going to rain here. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't. As far as cold tempts go, it's gonna
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  Speaker 3: be you know, a shocker for you know, all you
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  Speaker 3: Midwest guys or people who are you know living Minnesota
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  Speaker 3: whatever are Yeah, our cold days are probably like you know,
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  Speaker 3: walk walk in the parks for you all.
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  Speaker 2: So, well, what what is a cold day for you guys?
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  Speaker 3: So, I mean, so an average cold day, you know,
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  Speaker 3: highs in the upper forties, you know, not even maybe
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  Speaker 3: a freezing at night. You know, there are the occasional
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  Speaker 3: days we'll get, you know, a few year where we
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  Speaker 3: might get a day or two in the single digits.
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  Speaker 3: But it's not only common to be wearing shorts and
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  Speaker 3: flip flops on Christmas Day either, And.
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  Speaker 2: So during your during just like an average let's just
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  Speaker 2: say an average bull hunt for you, what what are
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  Speaker 2: you expecting for tempts for.
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  Speaker 3: That eighties the month of October? If we get an
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  Speaker 3: early cool snap, you know, highs in the lower seventies
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  Speaker 3: and then maybe the upper fifties, you know for for lows,
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  Speaker 3: I think those are those are pretty normal. Obviously last
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  Speaker 3: year everyone was experiencing that kind of heat wave, that
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  Speaker 3: draft that we had, and we had some some days
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  Speaker 3: that were in the lower nineties that that first month.
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  Speaker 2: Do you guys get any mosquitos down there?
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god? It's uh yeah, it's stay control when
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  Speaker 3: it when it comes to the early season, it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you want to play your win right, but as far
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  Speaker 3: as like you know, after that, you just need to
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  Speaker 3: like spray your off or keep your tormoseel on you
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  Speaker 3: and and hopefully the best.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's only so much you can do in
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  Speaker 2: that department. What what does it mean for you? Well,
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  Speaker 2: I know what I was going to ask you before
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  Speaker 2: we get into it. What what's the hunt hunting culture?
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  Speaker 2: Like I've hunted with a few dudes from Mississippi. They
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  Speaker 2: were all pretty damn good, and it it feels I don't,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how to describe it. Where I live,
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  Speaker 2: there is a tradition of you know, go to the
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  Speaker 2: the deer camp in northern Minnesota, you know, hunt with
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  Speaker 2: your uncles and your you know, your cousins and who
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  Speaker 2: have And that's kind of like the traditional deer hunt here.
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  Speaker 2: It's a short window, but it feels like there's a
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  Speaker 2: different way of life in a lot of places down
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  Speaker 2: south where it's like just more embedded in the culture.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's you know, multiple facets of that too,
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  Speaker 3: like you know, we call them usually hunting clubs or
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  Speaker 3: some some people call them deer camps too, but there's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of yeah, you know lease Land, you know,
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  Speaker 3: dog hunting is a big thing here. Really, it's pretty
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  Speaker 3: unique to the South. I think maybe as far north
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  Speaker 3: as it goes. It's like Virginia.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever done it? Oh?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I grew up my grandfather and my dad.
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  Speaker 3: That's how they started deer hunting was actually with dogs.
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  Speaker 3: And so actually when this past year, I was doing
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  Speaker 3: the story on deer dog hunting, and so that's a big,
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  Speaker 3: often divisive tradition of hunting down here. Now, I would
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  Speaker 3: say the other it's probably it's really focused on private
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  Speaker 3: land or hunting a lease, you know, going to the
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  Speaker 3: hunting club or or wherever. And then yeah, as far
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  Speaker 3: as like anything else, the stereotype surrounding Southern hunters, they're yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they're they're painful, but a lot of those are true
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  Speaker 3: as well.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we got a feel ourselves the hound hunting thing
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  Speaker 2: for a deer down there. Is that primarily like a
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  Speaker 2: big hunting club thing or is that a lot of
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  Speaker 2: public land? Where where is that happening?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? So both so a lot of our a lot
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  Speaker 3: of the national forests.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: And then the you know w n A is around here.
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  Speaker 3: They have specific dates and zones where you're allowed to
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  Speaker 3: do it. So and there there's certain windows. So there's
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  Speaker 3: like really I think about two weeks or two to
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  Speaker 3: four weeks where that's when the dog hunting is really
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  Speaker 3: going on. And you know when that is, so you know,
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  Speaker 3: for for people who are you know, on the fence
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  Speaker 3: or kind of against dog hunting, like it's not going
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  Speaker 3: to take you by surprise, and you know where you know,
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  Speaker 3: if you if you pull up somewhere like there's a
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  Speaker 3: ton of trucks in orange vest like out on the
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  Speaker 3: side of you know, the National Forest Roads and stuff like,
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  Speaker 3: you know what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you can you can plan around it pretty well.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's not going to like disrupt your whole season.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, I mean, and it really part of that
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  Speaker 3: story I did was actually talking about how how to
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  Speaker 3: find success and even if you're hunting private or public,
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  Speaker 3: plan that gets hammered pretty hard or by dog hunters.
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  Speaker 3: But I'd say for the majority of it, it's happening
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  Speaker 3: on on lease land.
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  Speaker 2: Sure was it was that. Uh did you do that
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  Speaker 2: for outdoor life? Yeah, oh you did. Yeah, I've I've
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  Speaker 2: never I've never been around that for you know, I'm
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  Speaker 2: a big dog guy, and it's always it's always weird
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  Speaker 2: to me because I have My experience with hounds is
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  Speaker 2: either you know, I grew up with some people who
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  Speaker 2: raccoon haunted a lot, and I did that a little
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  Speaker 2: bit with them, never really was my thing. And then
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  Speaker 2: where I hunted Wisconsin, they can run bears with hounds
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  Speaker 2: over there, and it kind of leaves a bad taste
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  Speaker 2: in my mouth as a private landowner with who likes
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  Speaker 2: white tails over there, because there's a lot of going
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  Speaker 2: across fence lines and things like that with running the bears,
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  Speaker 2: And so I actually interviewed a woman who does it
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  Speaker 2: one time, and I kind of realize how much of
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  Speaker 2: a hypocrite I am, because it's like, I look at
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  Speaker 2: that's like a world is just not that familiar to me.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't really interest me that much, and so I
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  Speaker 2: look at it kind of negatively, like running bears with
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  Speaker 2: dogs kind of sucks, and yet one of my favorite
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  Speaker 2: things in the world to do is run pheasants with
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  Speaker 2: my dogs, you know what I mean. So you're like,
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  Speaker 2: and I think of the deer thing, like the running
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  Speaker 2: deer with dogs is like such an alien thing to me.
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  Speaker 2: I don't really even understand it. So my my kind
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  Speaker 2: of gut reaction is to be like, I don't I
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  Speaker 2: don't really like it, even though I don't know anything
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  Speaker 2: about it and I've never done it, and so I'm
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  Speaker 2: trying to not be such a prick that way. But
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  Speaker 2: it's like it's just it's just what you're exposed to, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, right, Yeah, I know, and it's yeah, it's definitely
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  Speaker 3: not for everybody. I think the you grow up in
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  Speaker 3: it or you're you know, part of the club that
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  Speaker 3: like does it. You know, it's kind of like a
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  Speaker 3: you know, one of those cool aspects about hunting, right,
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  Speaker 3: everyone's kind of coming together. It really is like this
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  Speaker 3: team effort. Obviously there are ways to do it right.
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  Speaker 3: There are ways to do it wrong, for sure. Fortunately,
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  Speaker 3: the ones I've been on, you know, with like such precision,
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  Speaker 3: you know, everyone uses like GPS callers and they're really
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  Speaker 3: familiar with like where they're running at. They've been doing
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  Speaker 3: it for years, so they know basically what the deer
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  Speaker 3: are going to do when they turn these these dogs out.
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  Speaker 3: And like I was tagging along with a guy and
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  Speaker 3: he's like, Okay, we're gonna talk turn the dogs out here,
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  Speaker 3: we jump a deer, then they're gonna run it this way,
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  Speaker 3: and if they break off here, then we're gonna have
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  Speaker 3: to pick up the dogs. And like sure enough, it
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  Speaker 3: was like unfolded just how he said, and like we
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  Speaker 3: were there scoop the dogs off before they got in
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  Speaker 3: the road. Yeah, it's just it's kind of impressive to watch,
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  Speaker 3: even as I did a you know a few times,
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  Speaker 3: my grandfather, my dad, But just watching it from that
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  Speaker 3: perspective was like, man, this is really cool. This is
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  Speaker 3: almost as methodical as like someone who's like planning to
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  Speaker 3: pattern this buck, or they've got a buck that they've patterned.
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  Speaker 3: Now they're going to go in and make a move.
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  Speaker 2: I could see it. I could see it getting it
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  Speaker 2: its hooks. India that way, what kind of weapon we
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  Speaker 2: were talking about here, because I Mike, probably like three
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  Speaker 2: quarters of my knowledge of running deer with dogs came
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  Speaker 2: from the old man and the boy Ruark's you know,
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  Speaker 2: remember that section on running and they're sitting there with buckshot,
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  Speaker 2: Like what how does it work for you guys?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So obviously everyone's you know, spaced out in a
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  Speaker 3: way that's you know, is safe, and everyone's like directed,
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  Speaker 3: which is so thick down here. Like even if you're
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  Speaker 3: to shoot, chances are you're shooting to a giant pine thicket.
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  Speaker 3: And most of the time people are spread out to
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  Speaker 3: where you're not even in like shouting distance. So that's why,
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: you know, the CB radios are a big thing. A
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: lot of you see the the antennas, you know, if
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: you're ride around down here, that's because you're not in
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: earshot of anyone, so you've got to you know, call
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: them up on the CB. And then as far as weapons,
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: we've seen everything from like you know, your dad's thirty
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: thirty to shotgun, a buck shot. Some people use scope rifles.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: They're not really effective, especially if you're kind of in
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: tight quarters or you're you're expecting to hear to come
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: through in tight quarters. But yeah, so think of those
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: old you know, Woods guns, big Woods gun. It's like
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: the your lever actions, you're you're Savage ninety ninees, maybe
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: you're Rimington's seven forties, the auto loaders and stuff, pump
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: actions like.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: A little model ninety four to thirty thirty, open sites
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: type of deal, close quarters forty fifty yards and under
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: kind of running shot type of thing.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Right running or and most people think like running like
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: fool speed is actually a trot. So you now sometimes
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: that you know, if they jump them right in front
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: of you, they're deer, you can see them jump up,
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: then yeah, they're probably getting out of there pretty quick.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: Most of the time it's a trot. Sometimes the deer
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: are actually walking through because they're so far ahead of
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: the dogs.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I've heard that that they don't. You know,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: in your head, you conjure this kind of chaotic image
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: of deer running everywhere. But they're the deer are pretty
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: wise to that game of getting chased by canines too,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: and they're not they're not generally going to put themselves
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: in a position where they got to go, you know,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: antelope to get out of there. Like they're they're ahead
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: of the game.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And a lot of times you have I mean,
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: you have enough time to make a decision like, oh
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: this is an a legal buck, Oh this is a buttonhead,
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: Oh this is a dough. I'm probably gonna let this
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: one pass.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's it's actually pretty cool. I'll like kind
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: of reluctantly admit.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: Man, it's yeah, it's a blast. And when when someone
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: gets gets one, it's it's awesome. And then the recovery
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: rate is even if someone you know, unfortunately makes a
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: bad shot, like you know, by the time the dogs,
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: you know, get it, you know, the deers slow down.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: You know, you're you're in a position where much like
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: bear hunting, right when they've got a bear surround it,
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: it's very similar. And so recovery rates is pretty exceptional too.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Well, that's interesting. I suppose you know, we should probably
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: talk about uh some scouting here because I'm interested because
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: I was thinking how miserable a lot of my scouting
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: trips are in the summer, and then I'm like, I'll
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: bet you I should probably shut my mouth because I'll
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: bet you if you had a scout deer down where
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: you live, it's a hell of a lot worse. But
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: you actually do a lot of your scouting like January
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: February time frame.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: Huh, yeah, that's really the best time to get intel
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: for the obviously for the next year, but you can
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: also you know, because we don't really get snow down here.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: It's not we might get a flurry every now and then,
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: but like, yeah, you can basically as soon as the
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: season ends, you can do your winter scouting. And it's
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: great because you know for that time of year. If
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: you're scouting for you know, December January, those deer are
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: going to be on that same pattern. You could bet
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: the next time based on like the food sources that
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: are available at time. But yeah, I like to do
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: you know, at the end of January, so February we
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: also have that's when our another. Squirrel season is in
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: rabbit so it runs the end of the month, so
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: that's a good time. We kind of walk the woods
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: with a shotgun, and when I've done that in the past,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: I'm typically I'm on a scouting mission, but if I
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: see a rabbit or squirrel, it's a bonus. Yeah. You know,
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: the woods are laid there, you can see you know, tracks,
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: you can see the paths, like, yeah, it's just kind
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: of wide open, and I really try to focus on
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: especially if I know if I've seen deer in one
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: location and I'm that's where I'm spending my time scouting.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Because you're primarily hunting public land, right, Yeah, Yeah.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: I have. My dad owns about one hundred and forty acres,
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: but it's it's about a two hour drive for me,
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: and so I had to pass up a lot of
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: land to get there, a lot of public land, so
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: it just makes sense. But I do hunt plenty of
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: private as well.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Do you do you find because I was wondering about this.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: You know, when we when we winter scout up here,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: our goal is you're kind of looking for rut signs.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: So if I get out in February, I do the
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: same thing as you do. I go score hunting, rabbit
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: hunting a lot, and you know it's it's basically a
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: glorified scouting mission where I might choot a rabbit or squirrel,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: you know, but the conditions Like if I if I
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: go out in February here and I find deer beds,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: it doesn't mean that much to me, you know, because
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: because the conditions have changed so much from when I'll
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: be hunting them in November October versus then you know,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: they might have moved a long ways. They're they're thinking
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: about geothermal cover, they're they're in survival mode. And it's
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: so some sign that we focus on, you know, like
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: the rubs and scrapes, you know, those are those are
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: valuable because you know when they were made. But if
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: you look at like a fresh trail here in February,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: it doesn't doesn't translate well to next bo season, you know.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: But I wonder about you, like in your situation and
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: down south, in a lot of places, you don't have
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: a big seasonal seasonal shift quite like we do. Like
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: they're not worried about freezing to death in Mississippi. So
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: do you see like a tighter correspondence to that spring scouting,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: like every sign, every trail track you find, like, is
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: it pretty tight to what you'd find in the season
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: or there's still some pretty big differences.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I say there's some still some pretty big differences
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: because and again, you know, everything is relative. So when
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: it I told us some moth, you know, it's January,
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: and so what the deer, what that looks like basically
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: is the deer shifting cover and they're also shifting you know,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: food patterns. So uh, and I've noticed, you know, this
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: changes even for dough like dough bedding areas. You know,
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: whatever that was in October probably isn't going to be
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: at least some you know, if you're hunting primarily like
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: public land and you're you're hunting hard and soft mass
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: and brows, national browse, like that's going to change, and
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: that's probably gonna change their betting area from October, uh
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: to the end of the season. You know. And at
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: the end of January this past year, I was sort
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: of focused on a dough group that was pointing the
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: key in on the rut because I knew there was
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: a buck in the area. And so in October, you know,
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: these dough group, this dough group was better in one
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: area because they were their betting area was right next
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: to any of white oaks wheny of red oaks bat
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: some of that hard mass that they're hitting as soon
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: as they're dropping in October and then throughout November. But
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: then the same dough group eventually, you know, so the
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: end of December, end of January ended up and I
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: saw them consistently, you know, coming out, I know, four
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: or five nights from another betting area, and it was
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: eight hundred yards away from that, and that was because
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: they shifted the betting area. They shifted to at this
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: really soft edge along it was the cutover with pines
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: that are probably twelve fifteen feet tall, and then there
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: was a ton of brows, ton of like green brier
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: that they've been munching on. And then there were also
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: a lot of water oaks, which are kind of like
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: the least desirable out of the you know, the white
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: white oaks and red oaks. I found that water oaks
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: are really kind of the last ones that they're going
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: to eat as the season progresses, and so yeah, it
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: was just cool to see like how that shifted based
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: on what their food source was at that time of
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: year and what food was available to.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Those water oaks. Is is that a tannin thing as well?
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Like the difference between the white and the reds. Yeah, yeah,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: so you actually have three options to play there, you know,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: the whites first, then the reds, and then the water oaks.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And we also have a swamp chestnut oak, which
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: is those are awesome too. If you found one of
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: those that those can be really hot. Yeah, food autumn
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: for them too. There's a giant acren just like a
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: wide oak.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Clay would be so proud of you for saying that acren.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: So are you primarily I'm not getting a big destination
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: food source viab out of you, So you're you're primarily
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: scouting hard mass, soft mass and browse to keion and
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: then narrow it maybe down to dough group betting based
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: around food sources and then play the buck game around that.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean for the bug betting too. So
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: the thing about the South, like our growing season is
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: exponentially longer than the rest of the country, and so
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: that so there's a ton of betting area, Like you know,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: that's one thing you talk about. You know, Southern hunting
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: doesn't get deer hunting doesn't get a ton of coverage.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: And that's one thing you know, I've noticed throughout the years,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: like with the betting that you know, a lot of
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Midwestern guys key in on or it just really wasn't
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: applicable to the South because there's so much betting. Just
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: because it's so thick and everything's so green for so long,
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: deer can bed and feed in the same place and
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: really not have to move that far all day.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Do you find because of that that there there's just
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: looser patterns too.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it seems like they're looser patterns. I think
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: it's just that when there's ample amount of coverage and
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: big bucks don't have to leave cover or they don't
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: have to travel far to find the food, it's it
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: seems like the deer aren't moving. But you know, we know,
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: like you know MSU deer lab right up the road
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: is down studies where it's like, no, these these bucks
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: are moving, just like they move in the Midwest. It's
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: like they move in the Northeast like they're just in
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: cover or you're just not in the right place.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Isn't it amazing how just just levels of visibility, color
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: our entire experience around that, right, Like, and it was
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: bad when we didn't have trail cameras and you had
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: to actually lay eyes on them somehow, and now with
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: trail cameras it's gotten like exponentially worse, where it's like
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: we just draw these conclusions based off these tiny, little
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: anecdotal pieces of evidence, like well they're all nocturnal or
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: they don't move through here. And then you know, when
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: you keep talking about this, all I keep thinking in
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: my head is Big Woods hunting, Like it just it
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: reminds me of that where it's like you're not going
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: to pinpoint like a specific you know, bench on a
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: on a bluff side and be like he's gonna bed there.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: There's a billion places for it. And then if there
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: isn't that dreamy cornfield or soybean field, then you're like,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: now the pattern doesn't seem A to B because I
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: can't watch it and there's not the consistency to it.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: So it's a totally different game than a lot of
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: way tail hunting.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's it's very much like the Big Woods
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: because we have so many betting areas, you know, and
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of mistakes. I see guys
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: making is like they do. They get a nice buck
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: on camera and they're like, oh, well he's betting here.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: I know he's betting here because I have them on
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: camera and all I need to do is like play
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: the wind and set up here. The reality is like, okay,
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: he was better there that day. But there's also great
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: betting four hundred yards away over here, or there's you
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: know to the south, there's like two hundred yards away,
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: there's even more betting, and it's like all that buck
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: has to do is like travel through that and browse
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: through that and or being one different location than when
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: you expect them to be here, and it's like, oh,
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: well somebody killed him. He's gone nocturnal. So yeah, it
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: is a lot like Big Wood's hunting without, but on
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: a much smaller scale.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Well, and it's pretty flat too, right, Yeah.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: That's another thing that can be frustrating. Right, it's really
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: flat in a lot of places. So you know, looking
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: for those you know, awesome topographical features like oh, like
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: here's a saddle, I know it's gonna be here, or
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: here's a ridge system. Not to say we don't have those,
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: we definitely have those. The way deer traveling or utilizing
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: those can be a lot different because of the betting.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: It's like they're not going to bet on the end
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: of a bald ridge when you know there's a pine
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: thicket three hundred yards away from that and they can
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: get to the food source and still have the wind
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: at their back and feel comfortable with it.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, And just as just generally speaking, the
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: thicker it gets, the ladder it gets, the harder it gets.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Like you talk about play and win and patterning deer.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: I mean I I never really realized this until I
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: started hunting a lot of big wood stuff because I
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: grew up hunting bluff country, you know, like, and I
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: didn't I didn't understand the advantage you have in figuring
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: out deer movement when there's a lot of turn like
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: up and down terrain, and then when it starts to
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: get flatter. It's like a whole not even just like betting,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: not just travel like that. There's a whole different ballgame
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: you have to play where they don't have to go
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: through here from point A to B, and they can
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: easily get down wind to you, and if they figure
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: out that you might be there, they will get down
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: wind to you, and it's it changes the entire game
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: by a lot.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it does. And I think that's what makes you know,
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: a lot of the you know, a lot of advice
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: you hear from the industry. You know, it's almost like
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: this blanket statement for deer hunting, like, oh, just find
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: the the funnel. And it's like, okay, well what if
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: your funnel is like this wide. Yeah, and obviously, and
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: that's the that's the key though, like you can still
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: find those places. It's just king in on sign. It
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: is king in on you know, if there is slight
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: topographical features that might not you know, pop up on
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: on X or something like. It's it's getting in there,
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: getting boots on the ground and finding, you know, those
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: things that aren't going to show up on the map.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Like this past year, I was kind of just speed
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: scouting a place in the middle of the season. I
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: was still hunting. The wind was was kind of squirrely
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: this day, so I was like, well, I'm gonna kind
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: of play a conservative, just use this as a scouting day.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: There's an area that I'd been wanting to check out.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: It's kind of downwind of some bedding between and there's
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: a there's a little strip of timber between it and
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: the creek, and so I just want to get in
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: there and check it out. So I was still hunting
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: through there during gun season and didn't show up on
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: the map at all, but there was just this I'm
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: I don't even know what you would call it. It was
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: like maybe four feet tall. It was like a mini
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: ridge just jutting out from this cutover. And I was like,
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go check that out. I bet there's a
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: scrape on it. And I went and checked it out,
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: and there's just this massive community scrape on it. And
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: this was, you know, during our rut this so this
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: was in near the end of December, fresh Fresh scrape
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: community scrape. But buck had worked it that morning. The
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: branch was broken, there was dirt in the leaves. I
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: was like, okay, this is hot sign. I'm just gonna
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: kind of set up down wind of this and see
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: what happens. And sure enough, like a buck who we
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: so we have antler restriction here, And I couldn't tell
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: if this buck was you know, he was a borderline,
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: but sure enough he came down winded that and I
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: just kind of watched him check out that scrape and
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: then move on.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, is it isn't it wild? How even? I mean,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: the rules do apply, it's just not it's just different.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: You know when you when you talk about like a
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: four foot rise, there's so many places where that wouldn't
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: even like, it wouldn't even register. And then when once
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: you get into flat country, it's a whole different thing,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: and they're still using terrain features that way. I wanted
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: to ask you so while you're while you're out there scouting,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: because I've found that too, where the traditional advice on
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: like get that get on that terrain trap, that that
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: pinch point, that funnel, whatever. When it the flatter it gets,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: the harder it is to find. Usually that corresponds with
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: a lot of swamps and a lot of water, and
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: you're talking about getting rain every day. And the one
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: thing that I started to find when I started hunting
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: more that was, yeah, I don't have like just this
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: badass like saddle that's got you know, like you know,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: a bluff side saddle or something that's going to force movement.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: But I started to find a little higher ground going
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: between swamp to swamp or you know, you know, hardwood
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: to hardwood, something like something just to work with, and
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: it was usually tied to a water feature, like they're
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: going to go through here because it's easier than swimming
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: or going through the mud straight across. Do you do
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: you find that? Yeah?
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Absolutely so in relation of water. So I was hunting
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: this one area last year, new area, and basically it
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: is where the creek was making a almost a complete
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: u and so a lot of those places right the
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: creek when it does get high, it's kind of washing
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: out those sides or exposing some of it and just
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: kind of forms a natural creek crossing. So I will
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: look for those and then really a lot of it.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: A lot of success I've had has been like just
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: getting boots on the ground because a lot of those
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: things don't show up. And one in particular I found
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: last year and it didn't even show up, Like was
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: this steep embankment. So we're where the creek hauld basically
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: wash this bank out and it was probably a twenty
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: foot drop there, but there's creek crossing at the base
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: of it. There was two really nice rubs, rubs that
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: I was excited about on both sides of that creek crossing.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: And then there was also one on top of that
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: little little bluff, so it kind of made this sea
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: shape down around the creek down to that crossing, if
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: this is making sense, and you could almost see like
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: you can almost see all the rubs leading around from
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: that from the top of that embankment down to where
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: that creek crossing was at, and of course there was
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: you know, tons of tracks you're signed them just traveling
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: through there. So finding those little little places where you know,
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: maybe the creek isn't as deep, yeah, I think those
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: are key to when when you're dealing with such a wide,
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: flat area, like looking for those those crossings that are
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: really easy for them to get through so they don't
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: have to wait or they don't have to make a
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: huge job of a bank.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Do you find when you're doing that, you know, let's
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: say you're out there in February March and you're looking
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: around for something like that. Do you find a lot
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: of consistent spots or do you find something where you're like, man,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: the signs here from you know, this past season they
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: just wrapped up. I'm gonna give it a shot. But
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: you because what I'm going with this is like when
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: I hunt public land a lot and I scouted a lot.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: I feel like sometimes I stumble onto something that's really good,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: like that a spot, But a lot of times I
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: feel like I'm just getting clued into a pattern, you know,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: kind of like when you're a bass mentioned where you're like, oh,
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: they're just doing this, Like I just need to do
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: this now because I know, you know, people might come in,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: they might run their dogs through there, like things are
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: gonna change there. But the more you expose yourself to,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: you know, looking at this type of spot in person,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: you go, Okay, they use this here, even though this
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: isn't gonna maybe last for years and years because things
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: are going to change. It's I'm better off knowing it
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: because I can see this again and again in different spots.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So one thing, edges I think are a big
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: thing that people overlook, even in the South, like so
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: hard or soft edges, especially those soft edges that are
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: really subtle. So last year I was hunting this buck
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: and I was basically I'd found his rubs and I
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: was pretty sure I knew where they were leading to
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: this general betting area, and I was trying to narrow
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: down exactly where how he was accessing it or kind
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: of where he was betting at because it's oh, I
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: don't know, like five hundred acres of a bit of
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: potential betting and he's probably not betting out in the
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: middle of it, like it's just too thick. That also
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: just doesn't really give him a super advantage as far
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: as like if he needs to get out of.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: There, Yeah, he doesn't need to put in that work
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: when you can get the advantage closer to the edge,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: right right.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: And I think that's another thing too that people would
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: just assume, like, oh, there's a giant block of you know,
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: young pines like that deer, there's gonna there's gotta be
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: a massive buck in there, and that's just you know,
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: unfortunately not the case. He's not diving off in the
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: middle of there. But so anyway, I was hunting this
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: area I found as rubs. I was trying to you know,
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: backtrack it back to the bedding. What I found was
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: a lot of these rubs were in this bedding area too.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: Went up slightly, so I wouldn't even call it a hill. Really,
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: it might have went up ten twenty feet, not a
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: significant change. But what I did notice is that his
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: rubs were long. This transition right, which is was pretty
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: you know universal. You know, you find that buck travel route,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: you find that sign along these transitions, and eventually I
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: ended up seeing this buck during the rut the same area,
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: and the doe that by this point it kind of
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: shifted to this area as well, just because the natural brows,
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: so they had shipped closer to where the buck was betting.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: But but but I have found that like those soft edges,
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: even though they get overlooked, there's bucks on there and
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: if they're leading, you know, that's leading to bedding. There's
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: a lot of good natural brows there. Like there's a
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: lot of greenbrier that have been nipped off, so there's
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: food there. You know, when he's staging before he's going
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: out into the the woods, you know, the big open woods,
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: he's not he's not going to be there in shooting light.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: But that browse area, Yeah, that's that's kind of where
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: I saw him at.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Well, let's let's talk about that a little bit. Because
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: the soft edges don't get a lot of love, and
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: like you just you kind of just laid out there
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: is a you know, they connect something to sell thing typically,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: so there's they're kind of a natural travel route with
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: some cover keep you hidden. They almost always offer some
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: kind of brows that you might not find in that
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: nice big open woods or that woods you'd want a
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: turkey hunt through or whatever. And it's not so thick
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: that it kind of sucks to be there. So it
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: has all these different advantages and they're just not something
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: that a lot of people are going to focus on. So,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: so give me an example when you're down there, whether
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: you're winter scouting or you're sneaking through you know, bow hunting,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: rifle hunting, whatever, what Like, what's a scenario where you'd
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: find a soft edge? Like what creates it for you
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: down there?
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah? So usually when so we have a lot of
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: pine and hardwood bigs and a lot of these places,
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: especially if you're hunting National forest or you know WMAs,
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: then those are like they're not logging those, especially if
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: they're you know, mature woods like so where those come
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: together typically even if they're you know, older pines. A
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: lot of the way the WMA is managed is sort
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: of dictated by pine growth as well, because right they
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: can regenerate, they provide a lot of bedding cover for deer.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: So anywhere that's been logged, right, so you think about
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: logging cuts, you know, which is obviously applicable to the
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: big woods if you're thinking about the northeast or even
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: big woods anywhere else. So where there's been disturbance there,
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: whether it's been five to ten years, a lot of
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: those transitions from from there to big open hardwoods, right
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: because the deer are going to want to be there
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: in the early season, and there's still going to be
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: plenty of brows in those transitions later on in the
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: season as well.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's you know, you kind of mentioned earlier
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: that a lot of the traditional white tail advice doesn't
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: really apply to you and or you know, to southern
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: hunting in general. And I think it's important to know
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: because you would think, like it's really easy for me
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: to write an article about the scouting and how to
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: find a soft edge in my world, right, like you
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: could you can see it depending if you know what
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: to look for, you can find those and the timber
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: production like you're talking about is the easiest way to
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: find it. But there's you know, there's old homesteads in
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: the woods, there's old fence lines, there's old meta like
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: there's stuff that you can find and you'd think, okay,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: well I get into the big woods down south, and
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe on X or something isn't quite as valuable.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: But you just have to learn how to read it differently.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: And and I would say probably have to get your
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: ass in there and walk around a little bit more
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: to actually see how it goes versus just calling your
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: shots from staring at your phone screen.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: Oh that's been yeah, that that's probably been the biggest help.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: It's just like obviously, like you know, narrowing down a
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: place is super helpful and be like, okay, I can
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: tell obviously here's a here's some potential bedding, right, this
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: has been cut in the last whatever five years. I
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: know this is gonna be some. This is gonna be
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: great betting. Now need to get in there and see, like, okay,
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: well what's going to keep them around there? What? Because
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: we have a lot of sweet gums too, And now
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: I've known, you know a lot of guys look at
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: a map or and think like, oh this is this
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: should be great, and it's like, no, it looks like
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: a bunch of great hardwoods, but that's the whole block
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: of sweet gums. And they don't have any reason to
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: be to be in there trying to know where we're
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: going with.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Well, just just talking about the difference in kind of
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: learning what to read on on X and stuff and
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: just you know, like again kind of the same rules
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: kind of, but it's a different playing field.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, and especially long you know, if you're
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: hunting along creek or river systems, that's another thing, like
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: there's probably gonna be some cane breaks around there where
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: deer can bed, and they're probably not gonna bet in
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: those super consistently, depending on the size of these cane breaks,
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: but a lot of times, especially you know, if a place,
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: depending on how wet it stays and how deep the
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: water is, deer will bed and super thick stuff like
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: that on the edge of cane breaks. Actually jumped up
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: a buck last year in a cane break that might
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: have been ten feet by ten feet. It was in
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: the middle of big woods, but it was closer. It
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: was one of those subtle soft edges, right, So there
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: was a couple patches of cane that he was kind
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: of the one that he was in, and then it
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: steadily got thicker and thicker into what you know, he
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: probably would assume was betting, but he was just betting
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: in you know, this patch of cane, and you know
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: that doesn't really look like a soft edge, but it is.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: And it was just really subtle, and you're not going
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: to know that until you bump a deer out of it.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: I think I think under standing edge habitat as a
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: as an outdoorsman in general is like way important. I mean,
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: we this is gonna sound way off topic, but I'll
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: bring it home. Like we pheasant hunt a lot up here,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: and we hunt a lot of cattail sleughs. And you
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: stand and look into a cattail slough that's a couple
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: of hundred acres, and it looks like mono habitat, like
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: you know, it looks like a cornfield right like you're like,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: it looks all the same. You might see a little
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: patch of willows or something out there. You might see
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: some like differentiation somewhere, But once you get into there,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: you start jumping roosters where there's an edge of some sort,
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: like it's where those cattails meet some other kind of
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: brush or a little higher ground, or you know, a
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: little waterway through there or something, and those are also
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: the same place as you jump deer. And then when
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: you start doing what you're talking about, and you get
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: into the woods and you scout a lot and pay attention,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: you realize there are concentrations of deer around these things
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: that you just wouldn't know until you were there.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you you know, it's easy when you're looking
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: at an app right, it looks like everything is nice
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: and divided, right, and everything looks like a hard edge.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: Or even even the way we think about, you know,
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: deer movement or deer bedding is like, oh, the deer
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: bed here, I hunt here, and it's gonna happen here.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: And that's hardly the case, right, yep. They just don't
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: move from We like to think of the deer movement
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: as being linear, but and it may seem like that,
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: but I think that's far from far from the case.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: It's even in places where it should be, at least
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: in my experience. You know, when I've hunted out west
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: and I'm hunting like a river bottom where I can
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: see them, you know what I mean, I see them
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: moving early and there they should be going from this
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: patch of cover to that field. You wash how they
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: do it, and so often it is not that linear. Movement.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: You will see that right at last slight and right
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: at first light sometimes where it's like they just put
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: their nose down and they go. But most of the
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: time where they're killable isn't where they're they're taking that road.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: That's a that's a during dark type of thing a
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: lot of times.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And like you know, I'll hunt my dad. My
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: dad and I we plant food pots at his place,
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: and you know, will hunt those. And but when all
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: you see is deer coming into the food pot, you think, oh, well,
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: deer just came from bedding here, And it's like, yeah,
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: you didn't see that deer across the you know, come
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: up to the creek feat along the edge of it,
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: you know, clip some of this green brier, and then
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: dip down. Maybe maybe they like made a movement back
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: up this way to get the wind where they came
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: out at the food pot. You don't see that.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: No, because you're not You're just literally not witnessing it.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: So I want to I want to switch gears a
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: second here. Uh do you do any i'mer scouting down there?
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll do not a ton. I do a couple,
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: especially if I want to check out new places. Just
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: to kind of get boots on the ground and see
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: see what's there. Because if it looks like you know,
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: if it's got one bedding, it's got good access. I
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: can get in there and I know there's you know,
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: I can see a ton of white oaks around. If
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: I can see that there's good brows, then you know,
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: I kind of make a note, whether mentally or in
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: on on X and uh, you know, make that, just
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: make that note, you know, like hey, I should come
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: back here and check this out, or am I getting there?
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: Like last year I went, I wanted to check this
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: place out because access to it was very limited as
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: far as like other hunters would go or what they
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: would be willing to do. And I was like, oh,
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: this should be a great place, you know, and got
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: in there and it just wasn't the case. So so
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: I'll use for summer scouting. That's kind of my approach
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: to it. It's like, hey, is this going to be
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: a good option that I need to check out again?
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: So it's not really an in depth and it's also
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: just so thick. We have a ton of snakes down
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: here and it's just you know, screaming hot, So it's
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: not it's cool, but it gets the old point too.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: So you kind of use your January February time window
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: to scout places that you're like, I hunt here, like
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: this is one of my go to properties. And then
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: in the summer you're looking at on X or whatever
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: and you're like, hey, I you know, I don't really
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: know that WMA or that part of the national forest.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: So then you'll go in and kind of turn and
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: burn and just see if it's worth some more of
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: your time. Right do you do you run trail cameras
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: down there at all?
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: Now I'm a public land. Will we do some my
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: dad's place that we hunt? It just doesn't really. I
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: found that the hot sign is just way more useful
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: than trying to fumble with cameras.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: Because you feel like you're sort of working on old
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: information all the time.
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: That and I do a lot of still hunting anyway,
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: so I'm you know, I'm trying to I'm on the move,
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: and especially when the rut kicks in, like I feel
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: like that is where a lot of people get, you know,
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: fall into a trap. It's like, oh, here's my this
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: is the dad I've got from the camera. Well that's cool.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: If you saw this buck here two days ago, but
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: he might not be here. He could be fire for
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: me yards away. You know, he could be half a
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: mile away. And I've just found that, you know, if
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: you're hunting public land, it's just a lot easier if
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: you do the work yourself.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I love trail cameras on private land.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: I don't use them on public like almost never, because
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: I just feel like it's it's not the right tool
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: for the job for what I'm doing. Anyway, what's the
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: gun season down there? Because I know in a lot
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: of places, you know, we talk about gun season up here,
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: it might be a couple of weeks or a month,
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: depending on where you live. But I know in a
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: lot of Southern states there's like a pretty prolonged, you know,
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: rifle season in a lot of places that you know,
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: overlaps with the BOST season. What are you dealing with
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: down there?
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: So our gun season thing kicks off? It's like November eighteen?
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: When does your BOST season start?
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: October? First?
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: We did.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: We did get a three day velvet season last year
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: in starts in September. I think it's like maybe the
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: second or third week of September, but it's three days.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: So then your traditional bost season opens October one, and
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: then your your gun season opens in like third week
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: of November something like that.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: Okay, then, so depending on where your hunting gap, whether
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: it's National forest or wm A. You know, there are
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: primitive weapons seasons in there as well. But if you're
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: hunting private land at least here in Mississippi, uh, you
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: can use weapon of choice once gun season opens, So yeah,
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: you can use whatever rifle you want. Basically from that
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: third weekend November to the end of end of January.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: Are there any Is there any people out there still
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: bowl hunting by like the end of December.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: Honestly, there's not a ton of people. Uh, not a
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: ton of people bow hunting in October? Like can like
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: bow hunting, I feel like isn't as big in Southern
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: culture as it is in the Midwest, right because there's
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: a lot of states you can't You're limited to straight
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: wall cartridges or shotguns. You know, I grew up, I didn't.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: I didn't start bow hunt until I was in college
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: because nobody in my in my family bow hunted. It
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: was like, why why are you gonna hunt? Not October,
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: it's hot, there's a ton of mosquitoes. Hunting is not
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: going to get good until that first we get gun
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: season anyway, And so they're like, I'm telling you, the
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: amount of boat owners I ran into hunting public land
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: is right now, it is very little, huh.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: And I mean that's largely well, it's a function of
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: the conditions, but it's also a function of having just
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: a long available gun season.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and that's the idea. Like a lot
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: of people are like, well, why would I, you know,
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: miss a chance at shooting a bug if I can
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: take my rifle, which, you know, if that's what you
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: want to do, that's fine. But yeah, we and because
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: you know, I know a lot of a lot of
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: Midwesterners talk about the the October loll right, which is
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: is or isn't this thing?
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: That's Kenyon's bullshit. That's not.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, in the South, we have the October
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: November role, so we open at the same time. It's
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: just the no, the deer's still moving, got to find.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: But how does that affect your scouting? Knowing knowing there's
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: going to be you know, four months of pressure on
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: those year and two and a half months or whatever
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: that is is going to be rifle hunters, and probably
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: a lot of them kind of doing what you're doing,
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: where they're still hunting because of the terrain and maybe
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: not not setting up and waiting on them as much
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: as they would in other places. Does it affect your
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: scouting at all? I mean, is that why you're so
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: tuned into like the mass thing because you can follow
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: it by you know, timeframe of the season.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it does a little bit. I mean mainly
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: with that effects is the places I'm going to spend time,
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: so you know, if it's depending on depending on where
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: it's at and so so part of that scouting too
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: is I'm looking for hunter activity as well, Like is
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: there been a lot of hunters here? Do I see
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: a lot of trucks parked there as well? And in
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: the past, I've had the privilege of like to be
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: able to hunt during a week a lot, which I've
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: had a great, great success with, Like as far as
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: running into other hunters just for whatever reasons, you know,
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: on Saturdays, it's a different story. But during the week,
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: so that's one thing I try to shoot for. But
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: as far as like places I'm gonna to target to hunt.
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: You know, I'm thinking, all right, my access, how far
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: away is it from the nearest parking lot? Is this
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: a heavily pressure wm A. If it's not, then I'm
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: pretty I can just about bed. I'm not going to
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: run into anybody. It's kind of crazy, like like I
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: think that especially. I just think the South is like overlooked.
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know why. I mean, we like Mississippi, like
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: this state produces good bucks. Like you know, on public
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: land and private you can shoot a Like I'm not
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: gonna say you should hold out for a one hundred
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: and fifty class year on public land, but the reality
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: of you, you know, getting a shot at a nice
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: book is I mean, it's reality. There's just not a
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: lot of pressure that I've found.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: There are places right like I'd like the Delta, which is,
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: you know, known for producing big bucks in the state,
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: it gets pressured a lot. But also the public land
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: you're dealing with out there is more. It's a lot smaller,
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: it's a lot more concentrated. Your access to places are
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: also a lot easier, whereas you're if you're dealing with
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: you know, a lot of national forest here in like
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: the central or even the northern and southern parts of
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: the state. Like you know, you might walk, you know,
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: a mile or even half a mile and not even
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: not worry about seeing a hunter. It's it's cool and
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: pretty wild to think about.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: At the same time, what I'm getting from you are
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: a couple things that are like, there are lessons that
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: everybody who's listening to this should pay attention to. You
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: kind of alluded to this earlier and I want to
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: touch on it, and I kind of forgot, but when
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: you mentioned there's betting everywhere, Like that lesson is look
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: at where you hunt. What does the land have everywhere
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: for the deer, because that's not that important. So if
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: you're just as an example, like if you if you
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: went and hunted someplace in Iowa, food would be everywhere,
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: you know, And I'm not saying don't focus on food.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying the betting would be more important there.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Now you talk about hunting down there, and it's like, man,
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: we've got betting everywhere, So you better brush up on browse,
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: you better brush up on these little subtle elevation changes
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: where they might throw that community scrape because it's it's
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: there's an advantageous position there, something like what isn't like
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: overly common there? You've got water everywhere down there, You're
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: not going to play that pattern, right like if you're
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: you know, if you're in South Dakota in some places,
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: that might be a huge deal because there could be
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: limited water, like think about that. And then the other
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: thing is we tend to focus so much on all
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: the disadvantages we have. So you mentioned a couple things
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: about how thick it is, you know, how snakes, the mosquitos,
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: the general weather. But also even though you have this
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: super long gun season that keeps a bunch of bow
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: hunters out, so you have an advantage there is a
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: bow hunter in a major way. And this is this
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: goes for anyone wherever you're living. There's bad parts about
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: where you hunt, but you probably have some advantages that
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: maybe you're not giving full credit to that could work,
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: like you could work them. And I love hearing that.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: And it's not to say that any of that's easy.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: It's not like it's going to you know, I know,
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: Adam's sitting here telling you just come down there and
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: shoot a couple one thirties and you'll be good. It's
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: not so simple. But you do have advantages, and I
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: think that's so cool about wherever you hunt.
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, And I think one thing too, you know,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: me and a buddy, we're joking this past year, you know,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: just all the people we were listening to or talking
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: on social media. You know, it's like, you know, mid
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: December and it's like, well, deer season's over. That's it
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: for this year. I guess we're gonna start time flies
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: or whatever now, and it's like like, man, we haven't
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: even hit the rut yet, Like like we have a
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: month and a half of good, great deer hunting that's
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: about to hit. And it really is. It's cool, like
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: we don't have to deal with snow. You know, I
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: don't have to tie flies to pass the time. You know,
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: when winter gets here, it's like, no, this is like
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: a great time to be in the woods, our rut.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: Depending on where you're at in the state, you know,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: it could be the first week of December, it could
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: be the first week of January, which is great. Like
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: I think that's why I set out to do English,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: or or I was thinking I was gonna do education
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: because a freshman year of college, I had this month
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: off and I had pre rut, the rut, the post
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: rut to hunt, and I was like, man, this is great.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go into education and teach college so I
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: can just like hunt and this is gonna be great.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: Dur in the South, I mean, I think my freshman
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: year of college, so we have like a pretty liberal
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: bag limit here, so you know, you can take three
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: bucks and you can take I think it's four dos.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: I think it was five. But my freshman year at college,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: I filled three bug tags and a dough and was like, man,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: this is this is awesome, you know, and I think
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: that is drastically different from obviously from you know, typical
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: you know hunting industry.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: So well for sure. I mean, one of my biggest
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: complaints about living in Minnesota is it's a one buck state.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: Generally we have some CWD stuff where you can shoot
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: more now, but it's like, man, if you go out
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: and you kill one on opening day, you're like, well, like,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be that trout dork that you talk about.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: It's tie and flies, like all those all those guys
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: we work with out in Bozeman who are going to
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: be mad at you for saying that they're not gonna
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: let you in their drift boats. Uh, you mentioned everybody
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: wants to hear this. I don't really care about snakes.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: They don't bother me very much. I've been around them
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: a lot, and I don't have that like gene deep
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: fear of them, But a lot of people do, and
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: they always want to hear about it. What are you
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: watching out for snake wise? Down there?
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: So we got a lot of cotton mouths, and then
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: you know down especially down south here around this National Fourth,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: we've got a lot of timber rattlers, copper heads two.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: But I found that cotton mouths really the biggest thing,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: especially you know it's wet if you're hunting a creek
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: system or river bottom of cotton mouths now. And I've
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: seen I have seen them out all year. I've seen snakes,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: you know, in February. But as far as like when
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: I'm when I'm deer hunting, like, I'm not worried about them. Yeah,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: you know, if it's the if it's the early early
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: both season, yeah, Turkey season. Yeah. But as far as
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: far as the middle of der season, have.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: You ever been struck?
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: No? I came close last year. I was summer scouting
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: and I was just gonna drop jump across this little
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: little creek, and I guess I just forgot to look
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: this time and jumped across. And as soon as I
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: jumped and I landed, I looked, and then I just
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: saw this white mouth open and then one one leave.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: I just went right back across, and I was like, Nope,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: it's not that important. I can check it out later.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: Are cotton it's pretty aggressive?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: No, I mean no, unless you're trying to mess with them,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: you'll walk right by.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: It's just a matter of contact of running into them
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: in the places you're scouting deer a lot of times.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, unless you even even if you step on them
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: that they're they're really not that aggressive.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: What's your spider situation like, because that's what I do
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: not like.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I would rather have snakes than spiders. H
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: Man post season, especially in their early early part, it's
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: full of them. It's part of it.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: Like what what what kind?
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: Oh? I mean they're all harmless. They're like, uh, I
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: don't know what you would call a lot. We used
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: to call banana spiders. They're kind of black and yellow
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: and they make these they can they can get really big,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: but they're you know, they're not boisonous, and it's just
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: kind of aicky thing.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're disgusting.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't want tom crawling. I would literally
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: I would rather have a snake than a spider any day.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: Me too. I I hunted the first time I hunted
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: down in Oklahoma. I uh, I don't set up a
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: spot whatever. Went to go back in there the next morning.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: And this was this was on October one. They're opener
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: down there that I think it still is, but that's
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: what it was at that time. And I had my
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: head lamp on and I just remember like walking along
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: and there were spiders hanging like it was like they
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: were almost out in the open air because their webs
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: were so big and they were so big, and I
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: just like, you know, you'd look up the trail and
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: they're all the way up there, and you're like, I
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: have to go up there, and I'm like, I think,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: I just want to go back and get my truck
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: and go home. And I should have on that trip,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: because that was the one where I almost lost my
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: nuts on a fence post. But I just do not
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: like spiders so here in that because you almost had
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: me talked into making that trip down there at some
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: point and then you start talking about this, I'm like, man,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't mind having these winners where
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: all of our spiders are these little loser, tiny spiders
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: that we don't have to worry about.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: Oh they're not now once you get past the first
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: first part of the season, they're not issue at all.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: What do you worry about down there that could actually
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: besides the snakes, that could actually mess you up a
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: little bit.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: Other hunters?
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, there's really we have coyoties, but you know,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, but like what could bite you? Like you
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: got any scorpions or fire ants or any of that stuff.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: No, I know Alabama has some scorpions, yeah, fire ants,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: but I'm not you know, unless you're hunting a field
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: edge or something, you know, or you walk through one
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: or you're standing in want. No, not really nothing really
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: else to be worried about. Well, we have sorry, we
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: have black bears, but they're really uncommon to see.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: You can't hunt them, can you?
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: No? No?
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: And you so you said that, you know you you
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: like to still hunt down there. You got a lot
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: of land to roam, and you're kind of hunting cover
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: that's somewhat conducive to that to moving around and find
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: a fresh sign and slowing down. Do you do any
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, are you setting any stands? Are you doing
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: any saddle hunting any of that stuff?
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: No, Yeah, I've got saddle and so I mean I
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: do I think equally amount of both. It just depends
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: on the day. Like, man, if we get a rain
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: that passes through that morning, like I'd rather be moving
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: rather be still hunting, especially if I'm on a you know,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: if I'm going to check out somewhere that's new, you know,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: it doesn't really behoove me to just go pick a
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: spot and sit. So I love still hunting for that reason,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: but I'd say i'd split the time. It just depends
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: on on the on the weather, on the conditions and
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: stuff like that.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: Do you find that that's you know, still hunting, A
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: you're actively hunting, but B you're also actively scouting while
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: you're actively hunting, and so does your season kind of
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: break down to you know, if you find that you know,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: just banging you know, white acorn drop or something like that,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: and you're like, I have to be here now and
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: post up for a while, and that situation dies or
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: you blow it out and you're like, all right, it's
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: time to go back to still hunt and just figure
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: out where they are. Is that kind of how you operate?
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think one. I think it just like helps
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: you from getting burned out. You know, early season, when
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: deer pretty much on a especially October or November, you know,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: you know they're hitting those white oaks. They're pretty patternable
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: at that stage. I really love to do a lot
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: of still hunting during the rut. Like I know, a
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: lot of people will say, Okay, you just need to
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: sit over this funnel. Eventually it's gonna happen. It's like, okay, well,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: if you have limited time, you know, and you're sitting
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: in this point, you're pushing on your chips in on
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: one or two places, It's like, okay, well what if
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: the action's not there? You know. And I think a
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: lot of people, you know, especially here right when you're trying,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: you're thinking about a lot of bedding cover, but also
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: a lot of you know, food too as far as
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: like you know, white oaks go whatever. You know, a
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: lot of people are like, okay, well I got a
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: trail pick here, or I'm just gonna set up here.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: This looks like a place where you know a buck
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: would travel through. Well, I don't know, I just don't
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: want to. I feel more productive if i'm I'm going
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: where where the action is, you know. And so if
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  Speaker 3: you can still hunt your way through you know one
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  Speaker 3: of those edges, you know where you know deer moving through.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: I did that last year. I was still hunting and
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: didn't get a shot, but I heard something and I
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: looked and there these doughs running towards me. And this
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: was like one of the days I wanted to be
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: in the woods for the rut, so I posted up
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: and I could see antlers run it through the woods,
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  Speaker 3: and anyway, he ended up pushing those doughs literally like
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: ten yards. They busted me. He didn't really know what
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: was going on and and ran off. But it's like,
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  Speaker 3: but I wouldn't have known at that point, like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: this is where the action is ended up, you know,
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  Speaker 3: seeing a lot of action. Uh there a couple of
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  Speaker 3: days later, but I wouldn't have known that if I
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: hadn't been still hunting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's this is so cliched, but it
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: is a lost art, you know. I mean, when when
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: I was growing up and I first started deer hunting,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: I still hunted a lot. I mean, it was just
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: it was more fun to me than sitting in a
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: tree stand. And it's you know, part of it. If
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: you don't have the land to room, it doesn't do
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  Speaker 2: any good, you know. So if you're if you're hunting
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: thirty acres, like you're gonna post up like you just are.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: But if you have the land of room, man, you
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: get an educator. I mean, not only is it just fun,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: because it's just not it's just not sitting and waiting,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: you know, but you also get an education on how
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: to read terrain and like where to stop and when
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: to move and man, your spidy senses get real sharp
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: when you do that, like you start to figure out
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: like and I think you kind of plug into a
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: rhythm and nature that you're It's not so passive as
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: just like you know, when's out of the west, I
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: sit in this tree, like you're out there and now
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: you gotta gotta peek down into this thing and like, oh,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: there's a bunch of sun blazing through here, so I'm
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: gonna work around it. And it's it's a kind of
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: an immersive different experience and it can be so much fun.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is, and I mean, I mean I think that,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: like I said, it it stops you from getting burned out.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: You actually see where the hot sign is, You see
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: what where the movement is, where it's going on. It
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: also just spells all those myths, like you know, if
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: you go somewhere and sit you don't see deer where, well,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: it's like, oh, well that's not happening. Maybe it's not
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: going on right now. Maybe the deer aren't here. It's like, well,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: if you'd been still hunting, you know, and you would walk,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: you know, three hundred more yards, it's like, oh, there's
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: where the action's happening. So, you know, I think a
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: lot of times too, you know, people will say, oh,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: they're locked down right now, like I promise there's some
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: deer moving somewhere, but they got to move.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Those those blanket statements drive me crazy too, like
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: the lull or the lockdown, or like oh they're all nocturnal,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: like all of them are.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean a lot. That's why a lot of
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: people you know I talk to who live here, their
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: whole lives probably only how to maybe they've hunted. Public
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: plan maybe they haven't, but it always gets trash. I'm like,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: we can trash it if you want. But I see
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: plenty of deer moving, plenty of daylight on public land
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: and they're there.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: Yep. What are the antler board restrictions? What's the restriction
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: down there?
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: So? I think it's four on one side with in
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: some places it's a ten inch inside spread, some places
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: it's fifteen.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: Just depends where you're at.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think the delta, obviously they have a
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: little bit. I think it as of a I can't
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: remember the main inch main beam mean, but yeah, so
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: I mean kind of Mississippi. You can you know you're
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: gonna get a shot if you're gonna shoot a buck
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 3: like it's going to be, you know, a decent book.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: I'm just trying to figure out what the smallest deer
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: I could shoot if I came down there would be. Yeah, uh,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: I can handle that.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Maybe maybe maybe it's twelve inch main beam, ten
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: inch inside spread.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that. Adam, we're out of time, man,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: you're out there writing for a bunch of places. You're
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: gonna have some stuff coming up here for Meat Eater
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: and outdoor Life and who else.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: Do you some Brian M Gear Junkie, I've got a
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: piece come out Game and Fish mag think later this fall.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: It's awesome, awesome, I appreciate it, buddy. This has been
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: a lot of fun.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: Man hey YouTube, Thanks Tony.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: That's it for this week, folks, be sure to tune
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: in next week for more whitetail goodness. This has been
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: the Wire to Hunt podcast and I'm your guest host,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: Tony Peterson. As always, thank you so much for listening.
• 1:13:33
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• 1:13:35
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• 1:13:37
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• 1:13:40
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• 1:13:43
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• 1:13:46
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• 1:13:51
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