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Tigers offseason to-do list: Skubal situation, Will Detroit spend? · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: I think it, but turning before we know it. It
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  Speaker 1: is time to talk the Detroit Tigers. Cody Stavenhagen on
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  Speaker 1: the show with us today. You can of course see
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  Speaker 1: him all over the place. He writes for The Athletic.
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  Speaker 1: He's the co host of Tiger Territory. Cody, thanks for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. We appreciate it. What are the top
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  Speaker 1: three things that the Tigers need to do this offseason?
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, thanks for having me on. First of all,
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  Speaker 2: I think you can pretty easily narrow the Tigers offseason
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  Speaker 2: to do list down into three categories. Probably the most
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  Speaker 2: obvious is to fix the bullpen. It was a weakness
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  Speaker 2: at many points last year, and more specifically, to add
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  Speaker 2: more swing and miss to the bullpen so that you're
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  Speaker 2: not living and dying by batting average and balls and play.
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  Speaker 2: The Tigers bullpen rank twenty ninth in withfth rate last year,
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  Speaker 2: which is unacceptable if you're trying to win a World Series.
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  Speaker 2: They need multiple relievers. They I think need at least
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  Speaker 2: one legit back in swing and miss type relief. I
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  Speaker 2: don't I'd be highly surprised if they would spend one
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  Speaker 2: an Edwin Diaz or a Devin Williams, but the tier
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  Speaker 2: guys right below that, Pete Fairbanks, some other names in
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  Speaker 2: that group makes sense, and again they're gonna have to
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  Speaker 2: get more than one. Right now, will vest and Tyler
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  Speaker 2: Holton might be or only sure sure things in the bullpen,
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  Speaker 2: although you do have some other existing guys who have
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  Speaker 2: had success, but you got a lot of work to
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  Speaker 2: do in the pin. Number two, you have to add
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  Speaker 2: a starter. The Tigers. For now, we're just gonna assume
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna keep trek scuble and not trade them for
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  Speaker 2: the purpose of this exercise. They're okay. They're in okay
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  Speaker 2: shape in the pit or in the rotation. Schooble, Casey,
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  Speaker 2: miz Jack Flaherty, Ree Sultan, and Troy Melton, with Cater
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  Speaker 2: Montero some other guys in that mix. But they use
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  Speaker 2: I think fifteen different starting pitchers last year, including bullpen days.
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  Speaker 2: We all know you need more depth. I think they
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  Speaker 2: have to get at least one legit starter on a
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  Speaker 2: major league deal, and I would argue maybe they should
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  Speaker 2: target someone who can pitch almost as a number two
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  Speaker 2: to Schooble, because they're not just building for twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 2: You're building for the future. After twenty twenty six, you
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  Speaker 2: are likely to lose Trek Skouble, Jack Flaherty, and Casey
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  Speaker 2: miz All to free agency, so maybe you could almost
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  Speaker 2: work ahead now. One thing I want to note on
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  Speaker 2: both of those topics with the pitching the Tigers, as
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  Speaker 2: much as it's fun to link them to names like
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  Speaker 2: Michael King or whoever else, we know they like to
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  Speaker 2: get creative. So I do wonder or just food for thought,
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  Speaker 2: might they be looking around the edges is they're a
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  Speaker 2: reliever they think they could convert to a starter, or
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  Speaker 2: a starter they could convert to a reliever. I would
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  Speaker 2: not rule out them doing something more outside of the box.
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  Speaker 2: That conventional wisdom, you know, isn't bringing to the top
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  Speaker 2: of all our minds. And then the third thing is
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  Speaker 2: to improve the offense. For what it's worth, the Tigers
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  Speaker 2: ranked eleventh and run scoring last year. They did that
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  Speaker 2: with a really young lineup I think the fourth most
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  Speaker 2: played appearances of hitters twenty five or younger. But they're
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  Speaker 2: awful September and in the playoffs some of their flaws
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  Speaker 2: really showed up. There can still be too much swing
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  Speaker 2: and miss, a little too much chase. I think a
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  Speaker 2: lot of what happens with this lineup will revolve around
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  Speaker 2: what glaber Torres does. This afternoon. We will learn whether
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  Speaker 2: he accepts or declines the qualifying offer. If he accepts it,
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  Speaker 2: that'll be good for their lineup. He's a dependable professional hitter.
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  Speaker 2: But you do wonder how they will configure the rest
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  Speaker 2: of their infield, especially with a lot of existing young
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  Speaker 2: players in place, especially with Kevin McGonagall arguably the top
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  Speaker 2: prospect in baseball, and some other guys won the rise.
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  Speaker 2: I think they need more, but there's not a beyond
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  Speaker 2: glaber Torres. There's not a clear solution, like a clear fit.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: They could go after the Alex Bregman's. The Bobaschets in
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  Speaker 2: the world makes a lot of sense, but they'll have
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  Speaker 2: to do some other shuffling and again, for better or worse,
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  Speaker 2: the Tigers tend to be creative, so I'm really interested
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  Speaker 2: to see what kind of solutions they will ultimately land on.
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  Speaker 3: Talked about the bullpen needing more swing and miss. Is
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  Speaker 3: there any of those guys besides the two that un
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  Speaker 3: mentioned that change maybe their pitch mix, the repertoire, because
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  Speaker 3: you're not gonna find six guys that have swing and
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  Speaker 3: miss that just are out there available and the Tigers
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  Speaker 3: aren't willing to spend that much money. So are there
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  Speaker 3: guys that they've said, hey, you know what, we can
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  Speaker 3: increase this to increase that swing and miss. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Always a good question, and generally something that Tigers been
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  Speaker 2: pretty good at is helping guys tweak their arsenals optimize
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  Speaker 2: their pitch mix. Kyle Finigan, who they traded for last year,
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  Speaker 2: is the perfect example. He's a free agent again, but
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  Speaker 2: I think there could be some mutual interest in bringing
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  Speaker 2: him back, and they didn't acquire him necessarily. He was
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  Speaker 2: a good reliever, a good closer, but he wasn't a
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  Speaker 2: huge swing and miss guy. He got to Detroit almost
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  Speaker 2: doubled the usage of his splitter and the swing and
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  Speaker 2: miss went way up. So that's a Finnegan's a prime example,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that's a reason he would like to
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  Speaker 2: maybe return to Detroit, and maybe they would like to
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  Speaker 2: have him back because they already made that sort of adjustment.
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  Speaker 2: There's certainly more guys in turn, but you look at
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  Speaker 2: some of the major names, they're bullpen like Brendan Hanafy.
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  Speaker 2: He's more of a sinker ground ball type guy. Brent Herder,
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  Speaker 2: he can miss some bats with a slider. You know,
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  Speaker 2: he's a lefty, but still more of a ground ball
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  Speaker 2: type guy. So I don't know that you can completely
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  Speaker 2: change the profiles of some of your existing players in house.
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  Speaker 2: That's why it's certainly going to take multiple external additions.
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  Speaker 2: While yeah, I guess you get you're hoping, hey, throw
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  Speaker 2: the slider, throw the slider a little harder, and maybe
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  Speaker 2: you can get a little more swing and miss. So
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  Speaker 2: at least you're not ranking twenty ninth. Cody.
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  Speaker 1: What would it take to trade Trek Scooble? What do
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  Speaker 1: you have to get in return?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, obviously it's one of the biggest questions
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  Speaker 2: of the whole offseason. I think it would take a
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  Speaker 2: real haul. You know, I think you're tacking multiple major
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  Speaker 2: league ready players top one hundred prospects, if not greater
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  Speaker 2: than that. It's hard to see a world where it's
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  Speaker 2: not at least a three player package, and all three
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  Speaker 2: of those players are going to have to be pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: I think you would like some major league ready pitching,
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  Speaker 2: starting pitching, and maybe some up to middle athletes. For
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  Speaker 2: as much as we look around in free agency, at
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  Speaker 2: third basement. Stuff like that, shortstop and center field seem
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  Speaker 2: to be some areas the Tigers could stand to improve.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe it'd be easier to do that on the trade
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  Speaker 2: market than free agency, But I don't know that you
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  Speaker 2: can just snap your finger and come up with an
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  Speaker 2: offer that makes sense. It would It would really have
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  Speaker 2: to be a pretty mind blowing offer. I think for
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  Speaker 2: the Tigers to do this doesn't mean they won't, doesn't
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  Speaker 2: mean they're not listening, because they certainly have not shut
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  Speaker 2: down this talk. Scott Harris, Jeff Greenberg when they've been
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  Speaker 2: asked about it, they've basically said no comment, which to
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  Speaker 2: me says, hey're they're open to listen, listen to offers,
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  Speaker 2: but they don't have to trade them. So I think
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  Speaker 2: it would take something that they really would have to
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  Speaker 2: feel strongly is worth it, both in the short term
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  Speaker 2: and the long term.
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  Speaker 5: Cody, I was gonna say, what you missed on that
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  Speaker 5: off season to do list was signed Trek School, right,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, that's it. And I joked with Scott Harris
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  Speaker 5: when we were in Seattle together, like and Terrek walked by,
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  Speaker 5: and I go, Scott, when are we announcing this extension here?
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  Speaker 5: And Scott, you know, Scott Harris looked at me like
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  Speaker 5: I was crazy because I sent in front of Tarek.
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  Speaker 5: But you know that's me. Whatever. Anyways, so I thought
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  Speaker 5: it was funny. Hinch was there too. He laughed. Everyone
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  Speaker 5: kind of had a good chuckle about it. And I
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  Speaker 5: think Trek said something like, we'll have Scott call my
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  Speaker 5: Scott and we'll figure it out. But I don't think
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  Speaker 5: that's gonna happen. It's not that simple. But you mentioned
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  Speaker 5: offense at the end, right, And I watched them play
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  Speaker 5: five games. I watched them play more than five games, obviously,
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  Speaker 5: but the five games against the Mariners, it was swinging, miss,
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  Speaker 5: swinging miss, swinging miss, strikeouts, strikeouts, strikeout. And I love
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  Speaker 5: I love Riley Green. I think Riley Green could be
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  Speaker 5: one of the best hitters in all of baseball if
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  Speaker 5: he just cut down his strikeouts. Will he change in
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  Speaker 5: order to do that? Because I've talked to some people
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  Speaker 5: in baseball that say, this guy could be a three
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  Speaker 5: four hundred million dollar guy, or if he could and
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  Speaker 5: he's on the path he is, he'll be a hundred
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  Speaker 5: which listen, one hundred million dollars is a crazy amount
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  Speaker 5: of money, you know, one hundred to two hundred million
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  Speaker 5: dollar guy if he stays where he's at. So do
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  Speaker 5: you think they can talk him into changing and just
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  Speaker 5: cutting down on the strikeouts? Just I mean, just to
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  Speaker 5: go from two hundred strikeouts to one hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 5: strikeouts and put the ball in play in situations.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's certainly attainable. Like when he was
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  Speaker 2: coming up as a really highly touted prospect, I never
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  Speaker 2: viewed him as a guy who's going to strike out
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  Speaker 2: two hundred times. Now, around the time he got to
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  Speaker 2: double a, myself and some mothers kind of start noticing, like,
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  Speaker 2: this guy does swing and miss a little more than
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  Speaker 2: maybe we've talked about. So it started to show up.
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  Speaker 2: But he was viewed as like a very pure hitter,
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  Speaker 2: a very natural hitter, a line drive, all fields type hitter.
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  Speaker 2: And the big question was, like, how's the power going
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  Speaker 2: to develop? Is this a twenty homer guy, a thirty
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  Speaker 2: homer guy, a thirty plus homer guy, and you look
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  Speaker 2: up at age twenty four, he hit thirty six home runs,
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  Speaker 2: But I think it's fair to say there was a
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  Speaker 2: little bit too much selling out for power. It led
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  Speaker 2: to a franchise record for strikeouts. Yeah, he got the
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  Speaker 2: home runs, but some other parts of his game really suffered.
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  Speaker 2: Playing the game moving the ball forward huge issue. I
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  Speaker 2: think he's a good enough and adaptable enough hitter to
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  Speaker 2: no that's not gonna fly. His first couple of years
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  Speaker 2: in the majors, he was hitting the ball on the
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  Speaker 2: ground too much. He adapted, started hitting the ball in
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  Speaker 2: the air, tapped into his power again. It seems now
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  Speaker 2: fair to say that was probably an over correction. Something's
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  Speaker 2: going to have to change. And Shirley Riley knows that.
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  Speaker 3: I was gonna ask you about Kevin mcgonagal. Yes, he
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  Speaker 3: is maybe number two. I think he's ranked number two
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  Speaker 3: or number three prospect in all of baseball. They're number
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  Speaker 3: one prospect. Is this team able to bring up Kevin
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  Speaker 3: mcgonagal to the big leagues and at the same time
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  Speaker 3: say we think our team is getting better and we're
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  Speaker 3: gonna win a World Series Because normally it's you either
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  Speaker 3: keep all your stars and get more. We talked a
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  Speaker 3: lot about free agency and if it doesn't go well,
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  Speaker 3: then we call up our prospects.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the whole I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: it's the problem, but it's the difficulty of trying to
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  Speaker 2: thread the needle and build the sustainable winner, right because
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  Speaker 2: you get these young prospects and you got to get
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  Speaker 2: him to the big leagues at some point. But we
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  Speaker 2: all know, young players are prone to struggles. Wasn't that
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  Speaker 2: long ago. Colt Keith was not quite Kevin McGonagall level,
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  Speaker 2: but he was a very highly touted prospect and he
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  Speaker 2: really struggled for the first eighty ish games of his
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  Speaker 2: major league career. Got a little better, but probably still
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  Speaker 2: hasn't hit what he eventually might be. McGonagall, this guy's
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  Speaker 2: really good. I would not be surprised if he has
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  Speaker 2: success pretty early on. But is he going to be
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  Speaker 2: as good as Bob Baschett is from day one? I
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  Speaker 2: mean that's a hard sell, right, It's probably going to
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  Speaker 2: take a couple of years, so I don't know. It's
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  Speaker 2: why it's really difficult. I think mcgonagall's legit. I think
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  Speaker 2: it helps. He can play second, he can play third,
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  Speaker 2: he can play some short I'm not sure he's an
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  Speaker 2: everyday shortstop though, and so that that's part of the
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  Speaker 2: equation that makes it a little bit harder.
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  Speaker 5: All right, Cody mcgonagall's a super prospect. They have Max
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  Speaker 5: Clark who is coming also. I love what the Tigers
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  Speaker 5: do with Cole Keith. They're not afraid because they're in
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  Speaker 5: the central winnable Division that they can still do this.
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  Speaker 5: What I want to know though, is Scott Harris. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: Scott Harris is the GM's he's been in charge for
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  Speaker 5: a few years now. What's his role. Can he go
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  Speaker 5: to Christopher Illich and say, mister Ilich, I need more money,
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  Speaker 5: I need ten million and we can get Bragman ambushit
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  Speaker 5: and have McGonagall or is he not have that power
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  Speaker 5: because he's a young guy. He came from the Cubs.
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  Speaker 5: The Cubs are a big market, even though sometimes they
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  Speaker 5: don't act like it, right, So does he learn to
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  Speaker 5: be stingy or will he Does he have the ability
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  Speaker 5: to go to Christopher re Lilich and say I need
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  Speaker 5: this much more money and we can get past Seattle
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  Speaker 5: and maybe go to the World Series.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know exactly how those conversations go down,
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  Speaker 2: but oddly enough, for as much as Chrisilich isn't his
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  Speaker 2: father and isn't known as a big spender, it seems
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  Speaker 2: like he's always been willing to open the pocket books
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  Speaker 2: to like a reasonable level. Like people who complain about
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  Speaker 2: the Tigers being cheap. It wasn't that long ago they
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  Speaker 2: signed Hobby Bias, and they signed Eduardo Rodriguez, and they
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  Speaker 2: spent pretty big in the twenty twenty two off season. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I do wonder if Chris Hilich hired Scott Harris in
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  Speaker 2: part because there was some alignment that they didn't have
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  Speaker 2: to be a luxury tax team, that they didn't have
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  Speaker 2: to be the Mike Ilitch Tigers. Yeah, Scott Harris, you know,
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  Speaker 2: he came up under theo Epstein, but then he worked
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  Speaker 2: for far hands ied in San Francisco. It doesn't seem
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  Speaker 2: so far like free agency, like spending is necessarily how
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  Speaker 2: he views, you know, the best way to build a
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  Speaker 2: baseball team. This is a guy who likes the waiver wire,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that the challenge of finding surplus value
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  Speaker 2: and winning on the margins and all those kind of buzzwords.
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  Speaker 2: But to some degree has been pretty good at it.
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  Speaker 2: So maybe the answer is somewhere in the middle. I
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  Speaker 2: think this offseason can be a test though, for Chris Ilich,
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  Speaker 2: how hands on do you want to be? How much
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  Speaker 2: do you want to spend? And then Scott Harris, He's
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  Speaker 2: done a really good job at a lot of the
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  Speaker 2: finer aspects of building an organization, but putting the finishing
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  Speaker 2: touches on the major league roster I've always viewed that
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  Speaker 2: as the hardest thing to do, and sometimes that means
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  Speaker 2: that that means you got to spend.
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  Speaker 1: I think, Cody, why doesn't Chris spend like Mike.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's also important to remember Mike Ilich spent
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  Speaker 2: big for what less than ten years toward the end
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  Speaker 2: of his life. He wanted to win a World Series.
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  Speaker 2: But Mike Elich owned the Tigers in the nineties and
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  Speaker 2: they didn't really act like that. And in the early
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  Speaker 2: two thousands maybe to some degree when they signed Pad Rodriguez,
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  Speaker 2: that was a huge deal, but it wasn't really until
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  Speaker 2: later in his life and his ownership with the Tigers
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  Speaker 2: that he spent at that level of aggression. So it
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  Speaker 2: was abnormal and it wasn't his entire ownership. Chrisilich clearly
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  Speaker 2: just doesn't view things the same way his dad did
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  Speaker 2: toward the ends. Towards the end.
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  Speaker 5: There, Yeah, that's when they started winning, is when they
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  Speaker 5: signed Pudge and they signed Maglio and they had justin Verland,
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  Speaker 5: and they brought Kenny Rogers back, and they went got
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  Speaker 5: carlos Ki in, and they went and got plus Atoplongo,
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  Speaker 5: and they went and got all these guys Max Scherzer
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  Speaker 5: and Porcelo and David Price, and that's when the Tigers
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  Speaker 5: were good. Maybe they should look in the mirror and
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  Speaker 5: be like, we were good and starting six, because four
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  Speaker 5: they were four. They were very good when they got
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  Speaker 5: Pudgo five. But then six when they all started coming together,
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  Speaker 5: that's when they went to the World Series. And then
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  Speaker 5: obviously they had that great run in the twenty tennis.
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  Speaker 5: Trust me, I played against all those guys. They went
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  Speaker 5: to god making Cabrera paid him. They went got Dontro
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  Speaker 5: and they paid him, even though he didn't work out right.
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  Speaker 5: But they did these things and that was how they won.
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  Speaker 5: And Camerica can be awesome. I've seen it. And thank
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  Speaker 5: god they got a new well they didn't get a
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  Speaker 5: new score. They move the scoreboards. You can now actually
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  Speaker 5: see it. So they've done some good things there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they did all that, and they got to the
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: World Series twice and they didn't win it. And so unfortunately,
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: I think that is like ammunition for the newer class
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  Speaker 2: executives who would say, why should we do all that
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: and then having to risk tear it down where we
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: could operate like this and make the playoffs and back
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: to back years and think that we're going to continue
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: to get better now. Obviously there are a million cautionary
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: tales of examples that didn't quite work out. The Orioles
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: last yearn even the Cubs who did win a World Series.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: They thought they had the makings of a dynasty and
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: that thing fell apart pretty quickly. And that wasn't necessarily
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: that they were you know, they were willing to spend
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: in Chicago too. But I think that's one of the
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: more fascinating, like philosophical debates, because everyone wants to spin, spin, spin,
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: and I think they're like, I think they were taught.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: The Tigers are at a point where they need to
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: get serious about spending a little bit more. But I
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: don't know, you can spind your heart out and sometimes
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: it still doesn't work.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, look at the Mets.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: Cody.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: We appreciate you taking the time to be with us
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: today and all things Tigers. Have a good offseason. We'll
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: talk to you.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Soon, all right, Thanks guys, All right.
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 17:14
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• 17:16
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