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Guns in America: Hidden Truths Behind the Debate (Full) · Solving America's Problems

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Alex: Welcome to Solving America’s Problems — where Jerremy and Dave
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just cracked open the gun debate everyone pretends to understand.
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Turns out 44,000 Americans die from gunfire every year… and OVER 27,000
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of those deaths — 62% — are suicides.
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Mostly men.
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Mostly rural.
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Lots of military veterans.
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That means the loudest fight in America right now is over a number
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where the majority of victims pulled the trigger themselves.
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Jerremy grew up with guns in the truck and target practice on Thanksgiving.
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Dave grew up in big city suburbs where guns felt foreign — unusual,
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not part of daily life.
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Yet both just stared down the same stat and realized the conversation everyone’s
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having is aimed at the wrong target…
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[thoughtful] …and the real one’s been bleeding out in silence.
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Jerremy: Here we go.
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Ladies and gentlemen, we are back.
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Another episode, another great amount of time together to discuss something
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that many people find valuable.
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Many people find important and many people find.
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What's the word, Dave?
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Debatable.
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It's in conversation.
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Dave: I think it's
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Jerremy: It comes up
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Dave: I think it's just scary for folks, like it's either, just like
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super scary or I don't want to hear it.
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Yeah.
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What would you say I, I, not debatable 'cause a lot of things are debatable, but
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what do you think the vibe is on this?
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Jerremy: Yeah, abrasive, right?
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It's yeah, Grumpy's a good one.
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Dave: nobody goes, yay.
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Jerremy: I think the, yeah, I think the title of this per,
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is perfect Trigger warning.
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We're talking Guns in America, folks.
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That's what we're diving into.
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Dave: Guns, and more guns.
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Jerremy: And I think really to just have this discussion openly and just
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talk about pros, cons as it builds into, as always, my ultimate thesis,
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which is keeping our school safe and.
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Education reform in America.
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Most importantly, make America rich.
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Make America happy, vibrant, and healthy.
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Do all those things you make America wealthy.
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But looking at this from a perspective of, I will absolutely be fully
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aware that I don't think that the second amendment's ever gonna be
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changed or like massively ratified.
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So I'm gonna go down that route.
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Kinda freedom of speech, you're owning your guns.
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Got it.
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High fives all around.
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Alright.
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Dave: but, but all the, all of those rights in there are also have limits.
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I'm very much like a free speech absolutist.
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And even when I'm an absolutist, I'm like yeah, there are certain
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things you're like, ah, like we gotta pump the brakes on some of it.
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So every single one of those rights in that constitution has
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a, an interpretation around them.
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I think that this discussion, particularly on guns, is one where
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it's okay, so where are these laws?
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Where are these lines?
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Where are all these, where, and that's why I was saying, Hey, this
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is a scary topic because there are, certainly plenty of people in that I've
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known that, that grew up with guns.
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It's like a no brainer.
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It's not something they even think about.
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And then there are people who grew up like me in big city suburbs
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where it's no one had a gun.
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It's and it was foreign.
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And it took, me having to have people in my life and learning about weapons and
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getting familiar and comfortable around 'em because I wanted to be familiar and
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comfortable around them before I was like, oh, okay, yeah, these are not a big deal.
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But I think a large segment of the population are in, are in that realm.
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Realm of, I don't know what they are, but they scare me.
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Jerremy: Yep.
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Makes sense, man.
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Firearms in the United States of America embody a big core tension
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Dave: Yeah.
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Jerremy: between, like we're talking about right now, constitutional rights,
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and then you have, self-defense.
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Then you have what you mentioned, cultural traditions of ownership.
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Dave: Yeah.
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Jerremy: And then what about sport RK hunting?
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Are you gonna hunt with bow and arrow?
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How you gonna hunt?
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And then heritage of like how people grew up and what we've been doing.
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And then you have, what about all the significant public health risks?
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Because it, I guess these numbers aren't gonna be exact, exact what?
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They're pre dang close over the last two years, 44,000 deaths in the us.
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A hundred thousand injuries.
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And of those 44,000 deaths, 62% is suicide.
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Dave: Yeah I, that deserves like its own discussion.
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So can we put a pin in that and come back around to that?
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Jerremy: Yeah
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Dave: that was like a big piece of this.
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All right we could do it now if you want to take a little bit of a side
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Jerremy: it's I think it's a number that many people don't know or
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haven't heard about, that's for sure.
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That's a big one, man.
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Dave: I think I wanted to roll back, like I, I grew up in those suburbs, right?
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So it was unusual.
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It wasn't crazy to have guns.
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Like there, my, my family did not own guns.
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But we had friends who did, and they were hunting enthusiasts, right?
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Like they, I grew up in Virginia, so back when I was growing up, you could, you
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could roll out like, a 45 minute drive and you're out in the middle of nowhere
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and you are definitely hunting deer.
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So that was pretty common.
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But you grew up in a different part of the world.
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You did, you grow up around guns and hunting and ownership.
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Was that different for you?
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Jerremy: Yep.
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Every day
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Dave: Yeah.
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Jerremy: it was all around me.
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It was very normal.
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It was quite open.
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Most people or most families that I know had one and yeah, we would hunt.
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It wasn't necessarily like specifically you had to hunt to live.
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Wasn't that, although I guess it kinda depends on the week every
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now and then, but ultimately, yeah.
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Very common.
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Have 'em in the back of your truck, have 'em in your
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vehicles, have 'em in your house.
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And it was something that people had to talk about, right?
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Gun safety.
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My dad actually cared a lot about it.
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One of the things he told me and taught me it was, every gun is loaded.
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Dave: Yeah.
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Jerremy: one thing, you gotta, every single gun, if you see it,
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you assume that it's not only loaded, but it has a round in it.
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That's how you have to treat it, even if you know that it's not, 'cause you
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put it, you know you're holding it.
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It's nope.
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Consider it to be loaded so you don't point it at anybody ever.
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You don't pull the trigger ever unless you're fully 100% ready for the
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repercussions of that trigger pulling.
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And it was just a, yeah, it was a conversation that we had,
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man, pretty, probably once a month as I was a younger boy.
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And then he would, we would do target practice and we would
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shoot squirrels, with a 22 rifle.
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And then we would start doing bigger target practice and we'd go out into
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fields and man, during Thanksgiving and different holidays when a lot of
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the family was around, it was extremely common for everyone to go get their
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shotgun or their pistol or their 22.
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And we would all just do target practice and see who had the best shot.
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Dave: So what was the flavor of gun ownership?
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What I'm hearing is target practice and some hunting.
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So it was hobbyists and hunting.
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Was there an aspect of also defense or safety around it as well, or less
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Jerremy: yeah, they're always.
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Is for people.
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Like I have pini of very pro guns, friends and they will say that it's
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for defense, but then they got 30 guns.
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I'm like, okay, if it's for defense, we're gonna shoot all of them at once.
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Who are you really protecting yourself from?
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And a lot of gun owners, not all of them, but there's definitely a percentage
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that's probably more than 20, that they always have this belief somewhere that
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zombies civil war, something wild's gonna break out and they're gonna be
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prepared 'cause they got all the guns.
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And I'm certainly not gonna say that's not correct or it's not possible.
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But there's always that flavor of, that's their self defense.
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Their self defense is, they're getting prepared for civil war or zombie outbreak.
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Dave: That, that came up in our research where 30% of the adults own
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like most of the guns, so there's like a small handful of people that own
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all of the guns, and then everybody else, has this, will have one gun,
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it's 40% of all households have a gun.
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And then of that, like a third of those own all the weapons.
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Those are the guys that have 30 guns.
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And I'm like, Hey, God bless you.
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I so
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Jerremy: Yeah.
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That's
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Dave: yeah.
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I hear you on that.
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I think, I think that there's, I think there's the hobbyists, right?
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I think that there's the self-defense, which I think, you
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know has some validity there.
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They all have validity.
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And then there's the the hunters and they all seem to be a little
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bit, a little bit different.
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Like if your main gig is hunting, that's a very, like you do it every now and then.
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And, but I, there's very much an urban rural, God, there's
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that word again, rural divide.
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It wasn't until I moved to Colorado where I, almost everybody owned a
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gun and no matter who they were, and it was really like, it was a
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no brainer because it was a tool.
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Jerremy: Yeah.
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Dave: When you're in, when you're in a part of the world where it's you're not
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gonna call the police and expect them to be there in under an hour or two,
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you're going to be in areas where there are large animals that do not like you
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or if they're scared will really make you, really make you know how they feel.
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And so there are, you just have it as a tool not to not for self-defense, not
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for anything other than this is a tool.
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I'm in an area it's the equivalent of, having an extra can of gas or
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having a blanket in your trunk.
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It's and you have a gun.
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And that's really what it is because when you need it, you definitely need it.
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And they know when they need it.
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Jerremy: Yep.
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Dave: that's that urban, rural divide,
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Jerremy: yeah.
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Yeah, it's definitely there.
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And I think those are some really interesting, statistics.
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Here's a couple more.
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You have of gun owners, 107 million, adults who own guns?
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Dave: that's a lot of people.
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Jerremy: yeah, exactly.
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A lot of people 43% of those are men.
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22% are women.
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Dave: Fastest growing wom women are the fastest growing that came up.
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Jerremy: Yeah, I like that just makes sense statistically,
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Dave: yeah, it says overall female ownership holds it
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20 to 25% as of last year.
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But it's it's really been driven by self-defense concerns.
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Jerremy: no, yeah.
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Now here's a, I don't know, I thought it maybe be a little bit less disparaging.
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45% of Republicans, 20% Democrats.
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Dave: Yeah.
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Jerremy: Whoa.
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Whoa.
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Dave: That's also saying that most republicans and most
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Democrats also don't own guns.
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That's another way of looking at it.
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Jerremy: Which is all no, but again, that's the disparity.
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I would not have, I would've not have guessed that your way I wouldn't
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think that the majority of people would not own guns in the US.
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'cause you, when you talk about, when you talk about guns in general.
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You feel like every single person is just pro army.
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Like they got all the guns in the backpack and they just carry 'em around all day.
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'cause it just fires people up and they just get, so don't take my guns.
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Like that's just how everyone feels.
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Like it just feels that way when you post anything about this.
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And we're gonna get tons of these comments and tons of, that's gonna flood the
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socials and the posts, which is great and we wanna have these conversations.
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But again, that's just an interesting number.
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I just thought it would be a lot more from a percentage standpoint of people.
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32% of adults own guns, which is 107000040% of households.
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Dave: Which means 60% of
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Jerremy: don't exactly, it's a minority
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Dave: Like in every single demo, what,
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Jerremy: every demographic.
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The majority doesn't own
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Dave: There's no, there's nothing to say.
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This is a gun owner in the United States.
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There is nothing that says, oh, that person's a gun owner.
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Is it more likely if you are in a rural area?
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Yeah.
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But that's it.
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That's the, that's,
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Jerremy: you're a, if you're a white Republican man who lives in a rural area,
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Dave: you're more, more likely than
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Jerremy: more likely, but
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Dave: but it's not a majority.
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Jerremy: advantage.
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Yeah.
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It's, it is still not a majority
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Dave: no.
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Not at all.
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Jerremy: but that's wild if you think about it.
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Dave: Yeah, you think you, in your head you think, oh, that's a gun owner.
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Nope.
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You'd be surprised.
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I, let's swing back to the what came up in the initial research of this because I
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use a lot of AI and because we don't know much about this other than how we grew up.
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And I think we have an idea about what this is gonna be, but I was like, okay.
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For for those listening to this we do this big research thing and maybe
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I'll do something different this time.
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I'll actually put a link to our research in the show notes so that
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you can take a look at what we're looking at and the first batch of.
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Research I got was, I would describe it as very heavy on the, we've,
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we've got to do something about this.
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This is like the craziest thing ever.
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It's like how, the United States is insane and we've gotta,
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take away everybody's guns.
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A little bit of an exaggeration, but not it was as strictly
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through the lens of gun control.
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I'm like, okay, I get it, that sounds reasonable.
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It's something I've heard all my life and it's like more guns,
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more death and United States as an outlier as far as gun violence.
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And I'm like, okay, great.
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But then I read the research and really dug into it.
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And the thing that absolutely blew me away was how we count
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gun, quote unquote gun violence.
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And yeah, there are 44,000 people every year that die from a gun.
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And that is a scourge.
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And that is something that is an huge outlier in the world.
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Like no other nation on the planet has that kind.
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None of them post those kind of numbers.
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But the key here is one thing, 62% of those are suicides, and they
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are suicides of men, and they are suicides of men in rural areas.
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So if if you are a man in a rural area and you take your life, you do it by a gun.
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So think about this, 62% of all guns, of that 44,000, meaning
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27,600 of these are suicides.
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And I'm like, okay, then suddenly we're not talking about guns anymore
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because, that's a whole different discussion that we've gotta be having.
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It's like when we're talking about quote unquote gun control and lowering that
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number that has nothing to do with gun and gun violence because, like men are going
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to take their lives any way that they can clearly, but that's a mental health issue.
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And none of the not one of the laws or regulations, none of them address the
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main thing, which is mental health.
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Now look, there's still 36% of those are homicide, which is $16,000.
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$16,000, 16,000 people.
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That is something that we should be talking about.
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But that is, those are completely different strategies than we
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have a clear mental health problem in the United States.
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That is, is bonkers.
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Jerremy: You think you can fire up that AI and ask of those suicides?
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How many are veterans?
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Dave: Oh geez.
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I did.
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Jerremy: Because I would guesstimate that it's over 80%,
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Dave: Oh, for sure.
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Jerremy: Of the suicides that happened that 20,000 number, which is unfortunate
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Dave: Yeah.
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73%. 73%.
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Jerremy: I said 80, right?
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That's 73.
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Dave: This is what it is.
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I'll just read this out, huh suicides account for 62% of gun deaths.
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The intersection of mental health is nuanced.
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Most individuals with mental illness are not violent, and that
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stigma can deter, help sinking.
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Oh, here's something I didn't know.
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There is something called the 9 8 8 Lifeline.
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Have you heard of that?
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Like we all know what 9 1 1 is in the United States.
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It's hey, I need help right now.
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There's also a 9 8 8, and that's for suicide prevention.
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So if you dialed 9, 8, 8, you are connected to suicide prevention.
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And I, that is I was this years old when I learned that we
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actually have a 9, 8, 8 number.
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So that's, that is something for everybody to know.
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If they're, if you're in trouble, dial 9, 8, 8.
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So yeah, for veterans, 73% of suicides are firearms related for veterans.
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And if you are a rural man facing isolation, peer led groups like
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Walk the Talk America normalizes conversations and gun shops and ranges.
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So like there is a, an, like there is, there are veteran
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advocate groups that we know.
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They really want to scale up 9, 8, 8.
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And ensure that it also addresses these suicides with a
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majority of them being veterans.
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Bonkers.
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Like a diff it's a totally different conversation if we're talking about
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veteran suicides, which is the most of this and not one of the laws that we're
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talking about, as far as seize the weapons
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Jerremy: Ry is addressing
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Dave: is addressing that issue.
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Like that, like we're talking so
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Jerremy: That's a monumental thing, man, because I, we're over here talking about
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solving America's problems and here's America saying we have a gun problem.
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Everyone's killing themselves.
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Tons of people.
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Like you can't walk down the streets of Chicago without
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getting shot at by a gang member.
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That's not what the data says at all.
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There is obviously, there, there is murder in America and it's
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always unfortunate, always.
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It's never something that I'd ever condone ever.
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However, the majority of gun deaths are self-inflicted.
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Dave: Let's.
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Let's also put it in perspective.
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I'm not trying to minimize it because I'm I'm thinking, one of
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our conversations that we're gonna have are victims of gun violence.
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That is a thing.
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We were just at an event this last weekend about, victims of gun
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violence and it is heartbreaking
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Now, 16,000 people.
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That's nothing to sneeze at.
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That is very serious.
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Those are homicides.
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That's 43 people a day, right?
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43,
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Jerremy: Yep.
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Dave: Heart disease, that's 1800 people a day.
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Look, we're not talking about diet and exercise enough, but
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we will talk a lot about guns.
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Cancer is 1700 people a day.
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Like we're not, screaming about smoking bans and screenings.
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108 people a day.
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That is almost, two, almost two, two and two times more than two times than guns.
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That's car crashes.
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And we are not saying ban cars and wear your seatbelt and more airbags and
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Jerremy: or more control of who can drive and who can't.
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Or stricter laws about driving.
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I know that sounds wild and maybe this is way off the beaten path and you know
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how I am with my tangents and my rabbit
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Dave: yeah.
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Jerremy: I'd sign off on a bill tomorrow that said every car has
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to have a breathalyzer in it.
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You cannot drive.
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I would sign off on that tomorrow.
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Yeah, boo.
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You wanna
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You radical dictator
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Dave: boo.
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Would it also scan for weed?
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Would it be a weed weedly.
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Jerremy: Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Any, anything that inhibits you from driving legally
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Dave: what your Tesla has all sorts of cameras on you
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being like, you're distracted.
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Should it be like, oh, you're a little boozy too.
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Jerremy: but you could have legal limits like this there.
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The Georgia, or maybe not Georgia, Florida, I think Georgia's a zero
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tolerance, but like Florida is like 0.08.
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So you, you could have, you can have two beers and legally drive in Florida,
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unless you're like a hundred pound person.
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But that can be really easily created.
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But here's the reason I'm bringing that up.
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Yes, guns is the hottest topic and if you go to Australia, which I
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just came back from, or really any other country, uk, South Africa.
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Bali.
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I'm trying to think of some other places like, Canada, everyone's like
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America's just, everyone's rocking around with a gun, just shooting people.
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That's the narrative.
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The gun deaths, again, we'll always preface, no one wants,
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I don't want anyone to die,
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Dave: No.
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Jerremy: is one of the lowest categories of humans passing away by a magnitude.
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Dave: is, we're down in the shark attack category.
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Jerremy: Yeah.
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Sharks and hippos and dogs and guns.
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Like those four.
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Dave: do get injured.
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That is like a
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Jerremy: Yeah.
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A hundred thousand people.
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A hundred thousand people a
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Dave: that's a lot.
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And so we're not saying that we shouldn't be doing something.
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We're
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Jerremy: dude, that many people probably get injured from fireworks.
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Fire up Chad.
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GPT, ask, it's probably a hundred thousand people get injured by fireworks also.
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So those are just people that shouldn't own guns, right?
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Those are people that should have to go through some type of screening protocol.
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I'm, for as conservative as I am, which is not massively conservative, I'm just a
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little bit more conservative than you are.
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that's but that's okay.
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We're on the spectrums.
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We have conversations about, that's what's amazing.
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The realization is I'm actually pretty for yeah, we should not only should we
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have stricter laws around guns and who can own them, by the way, mentally, right?
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Who should go in and get checks and get, Hey, yep, you can still have a gun.
20:40
I feel like you're perfectly okay.
20:42
I feel like you don't have a bunch of anxiety.
20:44
I feel like you're not depressed.
20:46
We feel like you're in a healthy place where you can own some guns.
20:49
Like Dave, I love you.
20:49
I'd let you have all kinds of guns.
20:51
I can have all kinds of guns.
20:52
Like I don't battle depression.
20:54
I don't battle anxiety personally.
20:55
And so I really never, ever will fall into that category where I feel not
21:02
safe around guns personally, however.
21:05
I also would sign off on the, let's make cars so much more of a topic, because
21:14
that has way more implications than gun deaths and is way more dangerous.
21:21
And there's way more people, how hard is it to get a driver's license?
21:26
And a car can do more damage generally than a gun can.
21:30
Dave: Yeah,
21:31
Jerremy: That's ter man I, hold on one, one jerk of the steering
21:35
wheel and 10 people are massively affected for the rest of your life.
21:40
One little slip up with your arm, you get a, you get something, ha whatever.
21:46
One jerk of the steering wheel, boom.
21:48
Tons and tons of people are affected negatively.
21:50
And if you are under the influence and you damage or kill someone,
21:55
you are going to prison, right?
21:57
Dave: we've we know them.
21:58
Jerremy: We know them.
21:59
We met them, we've talked to them.
22:00
You will go to prison if you injure or kill someone in a car, if you're
22:04
under the influence and shoot, even if you're not under the influence you're
22:06
gonna go to court and the prosecutor's gonna really push for something.
22:11
So the reason that I think I'm bringing up and you're bringing up
22:15
in such a ve way is we aren't really discussing when people just go off
22:20
of this, on this gun flip out we need to have such crazy, strict protocols.
22:24
I'm like, we can increase those protocols and I'm actually for it because the
22:28
people that need it, they can, bad people are gonna get guns no matter what.
22:33
We, no, no matter what policies we create, bad people will do bad things.
22:37
You can have whatever strict policy you want, they're gonna go get
22:39
guns illegally and they're gonna go try to hurt people illegally.
22:43
But they can do that with planes, they can do that with cars.
22:45
They can do all kinds of things.
22:46
And heart disease killing 1800 people a day and cancer killing 1700 people a day.
22:55
That's 4,000 people a day relative to four to 40 people a day.
23:00
That's 100 times more People every day die from things that no one's talking about
23:06
in an aggressive format on social media.
23:09
Dave: No
23:09
Jerremy: those are the stats people.
23:10
Dave: And it's, and it's a highly specific problem, and we
23:16
want simple, large solutions.
23:19
There are only three laws, believe it or not, as much as we talk about guns
23:24
being completely over overregulated.
23:26
That's what I hear on one side, it's like there's so many laws
23:28
and it's not doing anything.
23:30
Or we have the wrong laws.
23:31
I like I can already hear my gun.
23:33
I call 'em affectionately, my gun nut friends, screaming
23:37
Jerremy: I got some
23:38
Dave: all the, there's only three that are universal.
23:40
One of them, if you're a felon, you cannot own a gun, period.
23:43
Par none, no felon can own a
23:45
Jerremy: When you say universal, you mean universal in the
23:48
Dave: all over the United States.
23:49
In the United States there are only three laws.
23:52
One of them is, it's.
23:53
Jerremy: yeah.
23:54
Dave: 18 USC 9 2, 2 G one.
23:56
Every state, every sale every day.
23:59
10 years in prison for a felon if they have a gun, that's it.
24:02
Period.
24:03
End of story number two, if you've ever been convicted of slapping or pushing or
24:09
even threatening your spouse or partner or kid, even if it's a misdemeanor,
24:14
you cannot own a gun for life.
24:16
That one I didn't know.
24:18
Jerremy: I didn't know this one.
24:19
Dave: yeah.
24:19
Any domestic violence at all, you cannot own a gun.
24:23
Period.
24:25
And then three, if you've ever, it's, if a judge has ever said, Hey you're
24:28
not well, like any mental hospital, any kind of, anything that, where a judge
24:33
has said, you've had some sort of mental health hold, you can never own a gun.
24:38
So that means everything else.
24:40
Everything else is this patchwork of laws across all states, which
24:45
to me doesn't make any sense.
24:46
It's okay, if you got one big law in one state, if you don't
24:49
like it there, you just go to another state and you get a gun.
24:51
Like in, in one sense it's if you want, this universally changed in the United
24:56
States, given that we have a Second Amendment we already got three and
25:00
they do what they need to be doing, and there's patchworks all over it.
25:04
It doesn't make any sense when the effects are very specialized.
25:08
And I have a feeling I'm gonna get some hate when I say this but here's the truth.
25:13
Here is the absolute truth.
25:16
The issues in gun and gun violence are very specific.
25:19
So if you are a young black man who lives in a city, it's your leading
25:25
cause of death, and that is a tragedy.
25:28
That is insanity.
25:30
That is a, an urban poor people who do not have, like we've talked about this,
25:37
we've talked about this issue many times before where it's like we, like our
25:40
issues and the money and the love and the care, we need to be pouring it into
25:44
our cities now, like there is a huge failure in our cities and it's really
25:48
affecting particular young black men.
25:50
And then there's the veterans.
25:52
They're committing suicide.
25:53
And if you are a, if you are a white man in, in a rural area,
25:58
that's how you commit suicides too.
26:00
90% of rural white men who killed themselves are killing
26:03
themselves with a gun.
26:04
Veterans, 73% suicide.
26:07
Now, here's another area where we can actually do some work.
26:11
Women who are in some sort of domestic violence situation,
26:14
things are bad in their household.
26:16
They are more likely than anything else to be, hit, killed with a gun.
26:21
That's a problem.
26:22
And then and then there's children who get ahold of guns will die.
26:26
So like these are very specific targeted areas where we are not, I think having
26:32
good conversations rather than ban all the guns, do all the things, do it
26:37
across the United States, like we talk about like bump stocks and and types and
26:41
assault weapons and all those things.
26:43
And that is all noise.
26:44
We know exactly where this
26:46
Jerremy: Wow.
26:47
That's powerful statement.
26:49
I agree with you, by the way.
26:50
Yeah, I agree with you.
26:51
To the point, again, if you're a malicious human being,
26:54
Dave: Yeah.
26:55
Jerremy: having a scope on your gun, it's probably relevant.
27:00
And again, if you are unfortunately in a place where you, man I hope this isn't too
27:06
overarching of a statement, but if when you're in a place of the mental strain
27:10
that mental strain probably is gonna have a lot of financial implications.
27:17
And you generally feel like there's no way out and there's no purpose.
27:20
So your purposeless and generally purposeless comes from cash, right?
27:28
No ability to create, no ability to provide.
27:31
And you feel like there's no way out tho those are metrics that can be scanned for
27:37
that can be thought about ahead of time.
27:39
From Ready, ready, the va. What?
27:43
Oh my goodness.
27:44
So we have a government agency that can do preemptive health checks on veterans.
27:53
Whoa,
27:54
Dave: How about this?
27:55
We have a government that doesn't need to be sending our young men
27:58
and women all over the planet kick kicking over governments.
28:01
How about that?
28:02
That's the first thing I would do.
28:03
We're about to, we Venezuela is our next I'm telling you,
28:06
Cuba's next, it's God, stop.
28:09
Just
28:09
Jerremy: Yeah, exactly.
28:09
If we have a, if we had a government that's Hey, you know what, let's just
28:12
let's not send a bunch of people to war.
28:14
Dave: How about Yes.
28:14
How about that?
28:15
We spend, we've spent the last 25 years in perpetual wear.
28:18
How about we spend the next 25 years being in perpetual peace.
28:21
I'm, I think that will solve the veteran stuff,
28:24
Jerremy: Agreed.
28:25
Agreed.
28:26
Because they don't have to use guns.
28:27
They don't have to go and murder people that they've never met
28:30
before in the name of something.
28:32
And that's gonna, because that's what the PTSD is from, right?
28:36
Taking the life of other people innocently or whatever.
28:40
You just don't know.
28:41
You don't really know why you're there.
28:42
Like why am I here fighting this war?
28:44
Who's benefiting from me being on Somalia?
28:46
Dave: And we, we have friends that have been, first tier operators who've
28:50
done this and they've come back and it's it is like coming back and being
28:53
reintroduced into society is the VA spends zero on that and it's who really?
29:00
A trillion dollars to send them over.
29:02
Zero to bring them back.
29:05
Jerremy: Good old goose egg.
29:06
You're not spending money, man.
29:10
I'm with you.
29:10
And, but again, to your point, and what I hear you saying pretty clearly is
29:16
the issue that's actually statistically and mathematically the problem.
29:23
We don't address, we're not talking about.
29:26
So many people have this narrative that it's just simply the gun when a gun
29:33
Dave: Yeah,
29:34
Jerremy: is a knife, is a brick, is an anything, is a car, is anything else
29:39
that if you want to cause damage to people, you'll find a way to do it.
29:43
Dave: but it's not at scale.
29:44
That's where we're going to hear from, gun
29:47
Jerremy: Advocates.
29:48
Dave: no gun gun control advocates.
29:49
Like there was a period, this is also in our research.
29:52
There was a period where there were bands on the size of magazines, right?
29:57
Oh let's also clarify this.
29:59
If you use the word clip, and if you ever hear the word clip in a movie show, they
30:03
don't know what they're talking about.
30:04
It's a magazine.
30:05
That's what you put bullets into.
30:07
So high capacity magazines were banned for a while, and actually the, the
30:11
number of deaths went down like that seems, it seems pretty clear to me.
30:15
If high capacity magazines actually do help, and yes, they are annoying for
30:19
people who are going hunting and shooting and the Yes, they do have to change
30:23
their, they have to change the, they have to change their clips more often.
30:26
No, they have to change their magazines a little bit
30:27
Jerremy: You.
30:28
Who are you?
30:28
Who are you shooting?
30:29
Chill out.
30:30
Chill, chill out, bro.
30:31
If you can't get a deer in two shots, you don't need a, you don't
30:35
need eight other ones, homie.
30:37
Be better at
30:38
Dave: it'd be better
30:40
Jerremy: 10.
30:41
A magazine of 10 ammo.
30:43
You have 10 shots that I think that's the again, most states,
30:48
I think that's it, right?
30:49
Like 10 a 10 unit magazine is, a six shooter.
30:54
A single shot rifle.
30:56
I am, I will sign off on that.
30:58
I have, I really cannot if you're using this for defense.
31:02
Again.
31:03
Again, who are you?
31:04
Who are you trying to defend yourself from?
31:07
If you need an a crazy assault rifle, you don't.
31:12
You don't need that for hunting.
31:13
Dave: Here's the math.
31:14
That changed it for me, not changed it for me.
31:17
Like in perspective, if a 10 round magazine saves one life per mass
31:26
shooting that is 50 kids that would be alive since Parkland
31:31
I would take those 50 kids' life over, over a $20.
31:37
Magazine any day of the week.
31:39
Jerremy: Yep, I'm with you.
31:41
And Chris Rock once said, he is you know how we should stop gun deaths?
31:46
Dave: What's that?
31:47
Jerremy: He goes, and here's what I love about comedians, man.
31:50
They just think so brilliantly sometimes.
31:53
And he glossed this over and people just forgot, really, in my
31:57
opinion, kinda the genius of this.
31:59
He goes, oh, you want guns?
32:02
Give 'em all the guns you want a 40 magazine, 40?
32:07
Go for it.
32:08
How?
32:08
Make ammunition a thousand dollars a bullet.
32:12
That's that's like Chris Rock's.
32:13
Give 'em all the guns they want.
32:15
Knock it, dude.
32:15
Go for it.
32:16
Ammo though, ammos expensive and he kept going on with the bit, obviously, and it
32:22
was, but it was really brilliant because I am, I'm on board with that, right?
32:27
Like in the sense of if you truly need ammunition
32:31
Dave: like there is a tax on every look, I'm not even a
32:33
gun owner and I know this one.
32:34
Like on, on every bullet you do buy, there is a tax, there's a federal tax on it.
32:38
And that, that, that tax actually goes to animal conservation.
32:42
And it's been one of the most successful things ev it's been
32:46
in there since Teddy Roosevelt.
32:47
It's been there a long time, between that and how you, you
32:51
get, your tags and the rest of it.
32:53
That's like really well thought through.
32:55
And it's been the most, one of the most successful ways of, it's been
32:59
one of the most conservative ways that we've looked at how to manage
33:03
our wildlife in the United States.
33:04
And I'm like, huh, that's something
33:07
Jerremy: Yep.
33:08
And again, if I make ammunition,
33:11
Dave: a thousand dollars.
33:12
Jerremy: Let's no dude.
33:13
Let's just say 30% more expensive, 30% more expensive, right.
33:16
Nothing.
33:17
Nothing crazy.
33:18
Dave: Alright.
33:19
Jerremy: And then, oh, that 30%,
33:21
Dave: Yeah.
33:21
Where does that money go?
33:22
Jerremy: Yeah, exactly.
33:23
15 per 15 cents of every that additional 30% or whatever the cost is, goes to
33:30
organizations that help mental health.
33:33
Whoa.
33:34
Dave: one of
33:34
Jerremy: that's the problem, right?
33:35
The brokenness of any country is in direct proportion to the brokenness of men.
33:40
It is men that are doing these killings.
33:42
It is, it's always men.
33:45
It is men and boys who are angry, who have unimaginable anger and
33:50
they have no emotional fortitude or training on how to cope.
33:55
And it can be a veteran.
33:56
Yes, it can be a gang member, yes.
33:59
But they are choosing to do this because they have some emotional
34:03
incapacity to heal and to breathe and to cope with what they're feeling.
34:07
That's the data though, Dave.
34:09
Dave: the DA here.
34:10
Here's the one I didn't know, and this is what I want.
34:13
I gotta, I wanna find these people.
34:14
I want to get 'em on this podcast.
34:16
I got to get them because.
34:18
I want that tax money going to CVI, it's called Community Violence Intervention.
34:23
This is frigging brilliant.
34:25
We talked about young black men being the biggest victims and perpetrators of
34:29
violence against each other and causing thousands of deaths every single year.
34:35
That's exactly what CVI does.
34:37
It is ex gang members.
34:38
It is community leaders.
34:40
It's people in their, in, in the community.
34:42
It's the coaches, it's the barbers, it's the, it's men going in and actually
34:47
mediating disputes and teaching.
34:49
And it drops shootings 30 to 50%.
34:53
It costs a million dollars a year per city,
34:57
Jerremy: On so low it's nothing.
35:00
Dave: Ah, okay.
35:01
Fif $50 million right now.
35:03
Just make
35:04
Jerremy: Yeah.
35:04
Rounding error.
35:05
Dave: Like they mediate disputes and it's okay.
35:07
You get ex gang members who are now members of the community and are
35:11
also, mediating disputes against people who have disputes rather
35:14
than them killing each other.
35:15
It's it's peers, going in and diffusing this and getting kids out of these cycles.
35:21
Jerremy: And I can even say, listen, if you know that you're a gang member and
35:23
you know you're in the violence again, maybe I'm going too far off right now, but
35:27
let's say if you had to arrest them just 'cause you know their affiliation and you
35:31
put 'em all in a room together and you go, Hey buddy, figure let's figure it out.
35:37
Let's figure it out.
35:38
Let's put you in a situation where you can work out your differences.
35:41
Is it territories?
35:42
Is it whatever?
35:42
Because in my opinion crime is almost directly linked to poverty.
35:50
And it is simply because they are unaware that there are other applications of
35:57
their knowledge, their time, and their energy to create wealth for their family.
36:01
Because that's really inherently probably what they're trying to do, right?
36:06
A gang is trying to fight another gang because they want more.
36:10
Land, which essentially is more resources, more houses, more
36:15
opportunities, more jobs to do what?
36:18
To provide for their kids, provide for their wife, provide for someone.
36:22
That's what it is.
36:23
Dave: violent crime is mostly related to poverty.
36:26
I agree with that.
36:27
And I know if you are poor in the United States, you are also
36:30
treated differently on, like you are interacting with the state a lot more.
36:33
You are treated differently.
36:34
You're not believed, like it's a, poverty, we're gonna have
36:37
a whole series on poverty.
36:38
It's a, it is, it was an eyeopener to meet people who are poor.
36:41
It's like they live entirely different lives than people like
36:44
that that, that aren't poor.
36:47
It's bonkers.
36:49
But I'm actually wondering if most crime is that way.
36:52
It's I think white collar crime is probably more prevalent and causes
36:56
more damage in a lot of ways, and it's the least prosecuted.
36:59
But that's for another
37:00
Jerremy: That's another episode.
37:02
Dave: I, yeah, I will say white
37:03
Jerremy: Why?
37:03
Collar crime?
37:04
Dave: way more prevalent and completely unenforced and yada.
37:08
But violent crime, yes.
37:10
I think it is tied to poverty.
37:11
It's tied to desperation.
37:13
It is tied to hopelessness.
37:15
There's, nobody shoots up a school.
37:17
Nobody shoots up their neighbor.
37:19
Nobody pulls out a gun for because they had a good day.
37:23
Jerremy: yeah.
37:24
And they're not doing it from self-defense.
37:28
Dave: No, that is a, it is a number.
37:30
The, it does come up, they call 'em DGU basically good guys with a gun.
37:34
I don't remember what DGU stands for.
37:36
What does it
37:36
Jerremy: yeah, but it's a, that's a small number.
37:39
Dave: gun use.
37:40
Lawful Citizen uses a firearm to stop a crime.
37:43
So best guess it's somewhere between a hundred thousand, 500,000 a year,
37:47
but it's self-reported, yada yada.
37:49
It's not nothing.
37:51
On the other hand.
37:53
Unarmed civilians stop more mass shootings than armed, quote unquote good guys.
37:57
It's the moment that somebody takes to reload is the moment
38:01
where somebody tackles the guy.
38:03
That's what bystanders do.
38:04
You don't, I was talking to my sister here about this podcast and I'm
38:07
like, I. I know one of the things that you and I would be talking
38:10
about is like education around this.
38:12
And I know that the education around gun ownership is a joke, and I'm like,
38:17
like I, I live, I've lived in many areas where, you know, you, you ha you
38:21
took like the most basic of exams and did the most basic thing in order to
38:25
get a concealed carry permit, which means, like you can be in any building
38:29
whatsoever and just pull out your gun and, be the good guy with the gun.
38:33
I'm like, I'm sure that they don't talk about the laws.
38:36
I am sure that they don't understand like, the responsibilities and I'm sure
38:40
they definitely don't talk about the type of ammunition that you have to
38:43
have in your gun in order to actually have it in an urban environment where
38:46
you don't start shooting through walls and into other buildings.
38:49
Like they, they don't talk about those things.
38:51
I am just certain of it, but I want to see.
38:55
That education is at the top of gun ownership.
38:59
I don't think we do nearly enough of it.
39:02
I don't think we require it of people, like I, it is the, I believe the most
39:07
deadly thing that we can do that has the least amount of education around it.
39:13
That's required.
39:14
I don't know why, you know that my friend who flies a jet has to, make sure
39:19
that every month he has enough hours, he does enough checks, he does enough
39:22
things in order to keep his license.
39:24
But somebody who just buys a gun has a, has, maybe a 24 hour
39:27
waiting and then that's it.
39:29
Here you go.
39:29
You have this gun and nobody's, unless you seek it, like how to use it, how
39:34
to care for it, what the laws are, none of that is required, I don't think.
39:38
Maybe some states require it, but do they, there's no universal,
39:42
here's how you use this crazy thing, we'll teach you how to drive a car.
39:46
And granted, I think there should be a whole lot more of continuing education
39:49
when it comes to driving a car, but a gun.
39:52
Man, I think it's, I think it's weak.
39:54
Education.
39:54
What is my education czar I'm looking at right now?
39:57
What do you, how do you feel about gun ownership and information?
40:01
Jerremy: Everything you said I agree with, I, I do and we've agreed on this for a
40:05
while and again it, as ironic as it is, I definitely fall in a little bit more into
40:09
the camp of the conservative nature of gun ownership is listen, you can have your
40:15
guns, but it needs to come with a lot more well, education around education on how
40:24
to use it, why to use it, when to use it.
40:28
I have no problem with continuing education.
40:30
You need to do a continuing education to have a life insurance license or a real
40:33
estate license to sell people a house.
40:35
You gotta go in and you gotta do this thing.
40:37
Yeah, doctor,
40:38
Dave: accountants,
40:39
Jerremy: all of it, dude.
40:40
Dave: education.
40:42
Jerremy: You got a gun.
40:43
Alright, cool.
40:43
Every two years.
40:45
Go in and check.
40:45
You gotta get, a therapist to sign off.
40:47
Yeah.
40:47
This person's, totally.
40:49
Dave: are the laws that have changed.
40:50
Here's, and to train up enough, it's okay, if you have a concealed carry permit,
40:53
it's okay, then you can do one of those courses where you are inside and you are
40:58
Jerremy: me fired up,
40:58
Dave: And it would be expensive.
41:00
And so I'd also wanna make it approachable for people who can't afford it
41:04
because I don't think, affordability should be it's gonna be expensive.
41:06
It's going to take time.
41:08
It's like getting a master's degree in, in gun and gun ownership and keeping your,
41:13
it's not just like your proficiency in shooting the thing, it's the proficiency
41:17
in owning it and being a responsible
41:18
Jerremy: Has nothing.
41:19
Dave: You need to be a super citizen because you're being
41:21
entrusted with a tremendous weapon.
41:23
And it's I want you to own it, but I want you to own it.
41:25
And.
41:26
Jerremy: Yeah.
41:26
Dave: I'm gonna say right now if you don't, and if you don't
41:28
keep up on it, then yeah.
41:30
Not your, nobody would come in and seize your gun, but then, then you can't sell
41:33
guns, you can't buy ammunition, you can't do, people are gonna be grumpy with you.
41:36
It's yeah you gotta take that, you gotta take your Smith and Wesson down
41:39
to your local gun dealer and they'll lock it in a locker for you until
41:42
you get certified on it, no big deal.
41:44
It will take time.
41:45
And I know that, that might bristle, but I do know that the
41:48
responsible gun owners that I know already do some version of this.
41:52
Jerremy: They already do some version of it.
41:53
Yeah.
41:53
They're going to the gun range often, right?
41:55
They're cleaning it, they're doing the firing.
41:57
They're checking it, into that aspect, like they are still putting in the time.
42:01
Dave: Yeah.
42:02
Jerremy: I wouldn't
42:03
Dave: Just formalize it.
42:04
Yeah.
42:04
But just formalize it.
42:05
Jerremy: process.
42:05
It's a formal process.
42:06
We're like, Hey, this is what you need to do now.
42:09
I'll take the devil's advocate stance for a second.
42:11
It's is that going to stop bad people from doing bad things?
42:15
No, not at
42:17
Dave: Of course not.
42:18
Like it'll always come back to the bad guys are still gonna get Yes, for sure.
42:23
Like that nobody's stopping that.
42:25
And if you are not too ha like if somebody is, if somebody is picked up
42:30
jaywalking with a gun that they are not, up to speed on it, then that's
42:33
where you get the hairy eyeball.
42:34
That's where you do, run into an issue.
42:36
It's this isn't your gun.
42:38
This isn't the gun that this you are not up to speed on this.
42:42
Like this is, you're not that.
42:44
Now, I don't, I am also a little bit of the government doesn't need
42:47
all this information kind of thing.
42:49
But I, I do think that there's a space here for saying these are
42:53
what the rules are and then it, each state needs to make sure that these,
42:57
are met in some form or fashion.
42:59
This is where you get the nras and things in order to put together these
43:01
certifications and to make 'em no joke, and that, and then to make 'em universal
43:06
across all the states so you don't, roll over to Louisiana to pick up this and
43:10
you roll over to Florida to do this.
43:12
Jerremy: I don't, maybe I trust government too much.
43:15
I probably do and it's probably not a good thing, but I don't
43:19
really mind the government
43:22
Dave: national
43:24
Jerremy: if I have guns or not because they know if I have cars and I have
43:28
to register them every year and I have to pay every single year, every
43:35
flipping year, I gotta go register my car and pay that stupid tax or
43:40
whatever it is, 300, $500 per car.
43:44
So they know what cars you have and they're all registered with it.
43:47
VIN number and then you have to have insurance on it.
43:51
Dave just the other day, like I re-registered 'cause we moved
43:54
in a bunch of things and I think everyone on the podcast knows.
43:57
And so we moved, a bunch of different places and the insurance company that I
44:00
had were like, oh, you live in Nevada.
44:02
Nevada's still with crazy people.
44:03
We don't insure you.
44:06
We don't insure you.
44:07
Dave: Yeah.
44:07
I know Florida's the same.
44:08
And you and I were just talking that I'm getting a car here and I'm
44:11
just like, oh God, it's an antique.
44:12
I hope they're not gonna charge me.
44:14
A billion
44:14
Jerremy: they're gonna charge you an arm and a leg.
44:15
Yeah.
44:16
No one's gonna insure that car.
44:17
FYI.
44:19
No, you're gonna have to get a liability policy and then the
44:21
rest is all gonna be up to you.
44:22
Dave: I got
44:23
Jerremy: You're, but you're gonna have to have it registered.
44:25
If you get pulled over with no license and registration, please.
44:28
You're fucking toast.
44:29
Like you're gonna pay some,
44:30
Dave: True.
44:31
Yeah,
44:31
Jerremy: be not good.
44:32
So that's the government knowing you have a more deadly thing
44:37
Dave: true.
44:37
Jerremy: statistically than a gun.
44:39
If the government knows that you got nine guns, the people that are
44:43
afraid oh, the government's gonna come and take your gun dog if the
44:47
government's coming to take your guns.
44:50
They're probably gonna take other things too.
44:51
Like you you
44:52
Dave: coming to show up and get your gun, something else has gone
44:55
Jerremy: dog, you terribly wrong.
44:57
You landed on some bad list, you went to some website.
45:00
You should not have gone and typed in something you shouldn't have
45:02
typed into because they're gonna take your cars, they're gonna
45:04
take your house and is that legal?
45:06
No, they shouldn't be doing that.
45:09
But you're already there.
45:11
You've done something incorrect already, in my opinion.
45:15
It's the registration process.
45:19
I don't believe personally is something that I would be afraid of or scared of.
45:24
And I'd be a gun controlling, gun owning citizen.
45:28
I really do not see the negatives in that application.
45:32
And if it's registered and you have to update it and you have to do
45:35
some mental health check ever so often, that could just be a person
45:40
that is in all gun ranges, right?
45:42
So there's a gun range.
45:44
I don't know how many gun ranges, but like in Nashville there's one in almost
45:48
every corner in Vegas, there's like 50.
45:50
So you go to a gun range.
45:51
In order to be a gun range, the you have to have an employee or a or a
45:56
government agency or someone there that does mental health checks,
45:59
and you go in and you simply have a conversation with that person.
46:03
Again, the question that the big advocates are gonna go is what's that gonna solve?
46:09
Dave: That's legit because it's again, we're just saying that the criminals
46:12
are not following any of these.
46:13
Jerremy: no.
46:14
Yeah.
46:14
Yeah.
46:14
Criminals aren't gonna follow any of these
46:16
Dave: Is there and let's say that, I'm just gonna guess, I, I didn't get dig
46:20
this deep, but, with most of those deaths in the, the young black communities
46:26
in cities, a lot of them in Chicago.
46:29
That's another thing.
46:29
It's if you wanna solve this, you start in Chicago.
46:32
Jerremy: St. Louis
46:33
Dave: where are those guns coming from?
46:35
You know what, how do we stop that?
46:37
Who, like who's responsible for that?
46:38
Somebody at some point had to buy that gun and it was either
46:41
stolen from them or, like it got out of legal possession somehow.
46:46
So who's responsible for that?
46:48
Is it the gun manufacturer?
46:50
Is it the person who originally bought it?
46:51
If somebody, who
46:52
Jerremy: who sold it to
46:53
Dave: sold it to them?
46:55
Who's, like certainly the person who has the gun that is not theirs,
46:58
the legal owner of that gun.
47:00
Like that should be a pretty stiff penalty, right?
47:03
Jerremy: It should be tracked more than it is now, or at least
47:08
discussed openly in media outlets, probably more than it is now.
47:11
And again I hear the advocates very clearly is it gonna stop anyone?
47:15
And the answer is.
47:16
It's not gonna stop the negative.
47:17
It's not gonna stop the people that are doing things wrong.
47:19
But what it is going to do is provide the opportunity for the people that
47:24
are very terrified of guns, that maybe they increase ownership because they
47:28
go, listen, there's a lot of protocols, there's a lot of safeties around this.
47:31
We actually do care as a nation, you still have all of your rights and we
47:35
are listening to you as a government saying, Hey, this is the problem.
47:38
Sure, we can subside some of this because we realize that here's
47:43
what the bigger problem is.
47:44
The bigger problem is mental health.
47:46
That's gonna be the bigger challenge.
47:49
Numerically
47:51
Dave: change a lot right there.
47:52
Jerremy: Yes.
47:52
Where it's listen man, hey we did some of the protocols.
47:55
We did some of the applications.
47:56
We hear you gun control people.
47:58
We, we're with you.
47:59
So yeah, let's control it more.
48:00
And here's some of the protocols that do that.
48:04
Because again, that's what we're trying to do in this conversation.
48:06
That's what we're doing in this podcast, is we really wanna
48:08
solve some of these problems.
48:09
And what I hear you saying is when you have a what?
48:12
What was it?
48:13
CVI.
48:14
Dave: Yeah,
48:14
Jerremy: have a, when you have the CVI, the communities
48:17
Dave: deal.
48:17
Jerremy: That are receiving more money from the the slightly increased prices
48:21
of ammunition, that now you get to pour into the individuals that are going
48:25
to be faced with the not only mental health challenge, but also potentially
48:29
the financial problems the financial stresses, the lack of opportunity.
48:33
The lack of awareness of opportunity.
48:36
And you have citizens and you have community members that are really, that
48:40
have the funding to go and spend the time and the energy to actually pour
48:44
into the youth and the males that are going to be affected by this negatively.
48:50
Now that negative becomes more of a positive and gun death can decrease,
48:56
Dave: Yeah, so
48:58
Jerremy: it's more or less that simple.
49:00
And then we crack down on cars.
49:03
I'm back to that.
49:04
I'm back to it, Dave.
49:05
It's oh man,
49:06
Dave: Breathalyzers and cars.
49:07
I, you have lost my vote.
49:09
I have supported you from day one.
49:11
Forget it, I'm out breathalyzers on cars.
49:15
What?
49:16
Yeah.
49:17
I'm cutting that out of this episode.
49:19
Jerremy: something.
49:20
Dave: Not letting anybody hear that.
49:22
No.
49:22
Gotta get ahold of you and reprogram you.
49:25
Alright, so get at this.
49:27
California, you can own a weapon, but it is a pain in the ass.
49:29
Like they got all sorts of regulations.
49:31
It's universal background checks and all sorts of, regulations in California
49:35
are the strictest in the nation.
49:38
And then there's Texas that is basically they're, if you register
49:41
your car, they can hand you a gun.
49:43
Like it's, no very small.
49:45
And the outcomes are out there like California, very populous country.
49:50
They have 8.5 per a hundred thousand deaths in Texas that has nothing is 14.2.
49:57
So there's a big difference between California and Texas.
50:01
I live in Florida and they actually try to strike a balance.
50:06
Like there are waiting periods.
50:08
I think it's like a two or three day waiting period, and that stops
50:10
the, somebody who's pissed off.
50:12
It gets, it's a cooling off period.
50:14
They do have oh, what do they call them?
50:16
Er, eer.
50:18
Oh, E RPOs.
50:19
Those are the red flags.
50:20
Like if like particularly women who are in a domestic violence situation,
50:25
they go to the, they, there's a very simple process with the police to be
50:28
like I'm in danger and I'm, I feel like I'm in danger for my partner.
50:32
That.
50:33
The person's got to go and and check in their weapons and,
50:37
it's an administrative process.
50:38
It is not difficult to get the red flag, and it is easy for it to be adjudicated.
50:44
Meaning, the state doesn't seal your, we, take your weapons forever.
50:47
So Florida's in between and the results are in between.
50:50
Internationally, like Germany has very strict laws.
50:54
Australia, you were just there, like they, they had a mass shooting and they
50:58
basically took everybody's guns away.
51:00
And Canada has, I think as many, guns per person as we do.
51:04
And they don't have nearly the number of gun deaths.
51:07
So I'm like, where should we be spending energy on this?
51:11
It seems like California, even though it's a pain, actually has some results.
51:16
And Texas, where they don't, there's some problems.
51:19
I don't know where I'm going with this other than, like I'm, creeping
51:22
towards the world of maybe we do need some more regulations in certain
51:26
areas, even though we've just spent 40 minutes saying it's very specialized.
51:30
It's, young black men and and suicides.
51:32
And it's it's, ensuring that kids don't get guns and domestic violence situations.
51:37
That's it.
51:37
Like it's, it doesn't go beyond those walls.
51:40
Jerremy: Yeah.
51:40
That's, that, that's
51:41
Dave: yeah.
51:41
What,
51:42
Jerremy: taking away people's guns will never work in the US that we
51:45
Dave: this is a
51:46
Jerremy: That will.
51:47
Cause
51:48
Dave: Zero starter.
51:49
Jerremy: never gonna happen.
51:50
And you know what?
51:50
I don't want to happen.
51:51
Dave: No.
51:51
Jerremy: don't.
51:53
I don't think it should, I don't think there's any reason to.
51:55
Just because you have a mass shooting, it's oh, take everyone's guns away.
51:58
No, like looking at the statistics you gotta dive into the data.
52:03
It doesn't show that's what the issue is.
52:07
And again, if you make guns massively illegal, okay, no one can have them.
52:13
Will mass shootings decrease?
52:16
Yeah, they would decrease.
52:18
And they, they'd almost have to, 'cause no one can get access
52:20
to a gun, so it's very hard.
52:22
So mass shootings would go down, but mass something else would increase some
52:28
there would be another lever somewhere that starts to happen because evil
52:34
people or people that are in massive, incredible mental anguish are going to
52:40
find another way to do something to.
52:44
Horrific, and I think it's the trend that we're seeing around the
52:48
world that's not mass gun shootings.
52:52
There's a mass uptick in anxiety, depression, cancer, heart disease,
53:02
financial ruin, like those things are causing even worse negative
53:07
pressures than just guns by themselves.
53:11
Dave: Hey, look if there is gun violence, it's not because you had a good day.
53:15
Again, it keeps coming back to that, it's like good days don't end
53:19
with violence, so more good days.
53:23
Jerremy: Yeah.
53:24
I, yeah.
53:24
Yeah.
53:25
Dave: gets down to, it's like more prosperity, more abundance education,
53:28
making sure that people have, outcomes.
53:31
It's
53:31
Jerremy: Preaching to my heart.
53:32
Preaching to my heart.
53:33
Dave: These, urban youth and poor.
53:35
If they have a way out of seeing any view out of that, gives people hope and
53:40
that gets people out, building lives and not tearing 'em down, it's just ah
53:46
Jerremy: I think if we have, again, maybe this is just my belief, but I feel it
53:51
and I sense it around the communities that I spend a hundred hours a month in,
53:56
and those communities are the positive.
54:00
You're about to enter one in a couple weeks, right?
54:03
The joda spend a 10 day meditation retreats, meditation events.
54:07
I know that's a very small subset of humans and individuals, but when you're
54:11
going into these self-development worlds where people are just pouring into
54:15
themselves and loving on themselves, suicide's still there, depression is
54:19
still there, anxiousness is still there, but they know how to deal with it.
54:24
They know how to cope through it.
54:26
They start seeing ways out,
54:29
Dave: Yeah.
54:30
Jerremy: and they are not limited to the, hey, there's only one way.
54:36
And that way is by damaging myself or damaging other people.
54:39
They are aware that they're making a conscious choice of
54:42
either being a victim or a victor.
54:44
And if they are going to choose the victim route, they go,
54:47
Hey, I wanna live in this pain.
54:48
I wanna live in this anguish.
54:49
They start to understand why they feel that way.
54:54
And if you have leaders that are not extremely divisive
55:01
Dave: Yep.
55:02
Jerremy: and you have someone from the top down daily and often
55:06
that is simply reminding people
55:08
Dave: Yeah.
55:10
Jerremy: that you have a choice that is conscious to make, and you can
55:15
choose to live in positivity or you can choose to live in negativity.
55:21
It is a choice.
55:23
If you're choosing negativity, you can choose how long you wanna feel that way.
55:26
It doesn't mean that if you're depressed, you can never be depressed again.
55:29
But there are biological, biochemical features.
55:32
Physiology, I can't say that word, features that a depressed
55:37
person is going to carry.
55:39
They're gonna, there's certain ways they're gonna breathe.
55:41
There's certain ways they're gonna hold themselves.
55:43
There's certain ways that their body's gonna move.
55:45
When you are in a depressed state, you become depressed.
55:48
And the more you can start shifting that, and the more that we have leaders
55:51
from the top down approach that pour into these these, the citizens of this
55:54
country, and start showing them and teaching them and guiding them through
55:58
light love, happiness, positivity, and awareness of how they feel, and
56:01
this emotional competency, I believe that actually does make a huge dent.
56:09
And I don't think we have that.
56:10
A long time.
56:11
My
56:12
Dave: here.
56:13
Jerremy: man.
56:13
Dave: I,
56:14
Jerremy: Where do we go from here?
56:15
What?
56:15
What do you think is coming next for our listeners?
56:17
Because we have so many listeners that just really care about this.
56:20
Dave: where do we go from here?
56:21
I think we're gonna have some stellar human beings on this one.
56:24
We're gonna, we are going to be talking to advocates, gun owners for sure.
56:29
That's I believe we're gonna be bringing that up for the next
56:33
I want victims of gun violence.
56:35
People who've been shot and what their view of the world is.
56:38
I want to get the, somebody who's sees all the guns and I want to get folks that
56:44
are like, no, we're doing communities.
56:46
I love this the urban programs.
56:48
I wanna be talking to those folks.
56:50
But I think, ultimately when I did the research, started the research
56:54
on this, I realized that this topic is not that much about guns.
56:59
Like we talk and we used guns as a placeholder for other things.
57:04
It is not the guns, it's the suicides.
57:07
It's not the guns, it's the homicides.
57:10
And underneath that homicides, it's the hopelessness, it's
57:13
the poverty, it's the problems.
57:16
It's, the inability to cope.
57:18
It's, like the problems that are underneath that, the guns are just
57:22
a they're a method to the madness.
57:25
Underneath all of that, there's so much more that we need to be focused
57:28
on, so much more that we need to be talking about that we don't, and
57:32
that we use guns as a placeholder for the real problems underneath this.
57:36
And that's, I, when looking at the history of this, we didn't really touch
57:40
on that, but I, looking at the history of guns and guns, ownership and gun
57:44
laws in the United States, there were basically no laws in the United States
57:47
until the 1930s were, when they banned alcohol and we got gangsters, right?
57:52
And, Tommy guns.
57:53
And that's when, that was the first time that the government was like,
57:56
oh, we gotta do something about this.
57:57
And they did.
57:58
It was basically you had to register, automatic weapons, but then there
58:01
was nothing until the sixties.
58:04
And it and that was when John F.
58:05
Kennedy got killed.
58:07
And that's when actually the basis of all the background checks actually came.
58:11
You couldn't buy guns by mail order anymore.
58:13
And then every time we've had an a discussion about guns, every
58:18
time it's been because of tragedy and we've gotta stop that piece.
58:24
We can't be reactive, we've gotta be proactive.
58:27
And it's all the stuff that's underneath this.
58:29
It is not the guns and it is about what's underneath it.
58:33
That's what I believe.
58:34
Jerremy: I love that.
58:35
I love that.
58:35
And for all of my listeners, and for everyone who's, tuning in and
58:38
checking this information out, Dave, I really liked this conversation, man.
58:42
I really did because it, it brings a lot of awareness to me.
58:45
I believe everyone who is up to date on this podcast, they're aware that
58:50
I am doing this podcast to learn.
58:54
I, I am learning because I do not obviously have all the answers,
58:58
but from a political standpoint, I have very little answers.
59:02
And as we keep going through this podcast, what's happening is I am
59:05
continuing to learn not only where I stand, how I really feel, but more
59:10
importantly the data and then the policies that I'll be able to implement
59:14
to actually create legitimate change based on statistics and not opinions.
59:20
Not based on how I feel, because you've already changed so much of how I feel
59:23
about certain things, and I've done the same for you, and we're creating this
59:27
really beautiful melding pot of yeah.
59:29
It's cool you feel that way.
59:29
But here's actually the data and I'm in a place where I realize I have an ego.
59:35
Of course everyone does, but my ego's not strong enough to.
59:39
Have the inability to go, I'm wrong on this topic.
59:42
Let me actually go through what the data says and start making the
59:45
appropriate shifts so that I can lead this nation into the most prosperous
59:50
time that we've ever been a part of prosperous and peaceful, because
59:54
it's coming and it's coming through.
59:57
Just the realization that we are in a time where we have so much information
1:00:01
and it's not being implemented, and it's not being implemented with wisdom.
1:00:04
It's not being implemented with truth, with integrity, and most importantly,
1:00:09
with the vibration, the frequency of love and abundance and prosperity.
1:00:11
And as much as Maryam Williamson, when she was running for president, was
1:00:15
continued to push love and love and love, she also wanted to change everything.
1:00:18
And everything was broken, everything was a problem.
1:00:21
And I was like, Marianne, I love you, but you can't take down
1:00:23
the entire system overnight.
1:00:24
'cause the President really doesn't have that much control.
1:00:27
The only thing I really want to control, and the only thing I
1:00:29
really wanna update, ultimately, is gonna be the education system.
1:00:33
Dave: Yeah.
1:00:34
Jerremy: You've said that word 45 times in this podcast because that's really the
1:00:38
root cause and the root fix of most of the challenges that face this country.
1:00:44
And with that, boys and girls, ladies and gentlemen, friends and family, we're
1:00:48
gonna continue to have conversations.
1:00:50
We're gonna continue to have discussions and we really will keep
1:00:52
piece mailing together more of the beliefs and the information and
1:00:56
the real statistics that are there.
1:00:57
And we're gonna hear people, and I'm gonna continue to collect incredible
1:01:00
data so that when I'm in a place, in a position of understanding and of
1:01:05
power, I can and Dave and myself, and we can create real, meaningful change
1:01:10
and policies that people can agree on that actually do put this country
1:01:16
into a place of incredible prosperity.