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ALAN BOSTON | Billy Walters Stories, Winning Betting College Basketball & The Old Vegas · WiseKracks

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  Speaker 1: Hey, guys, Bill Krachenberger here, special show. Here, We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: try to do it. See if we can get it
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  Speaker 1: in every like maybe every other week if all has
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  Speaker 1: time or uh he's running around making money and everything
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  Speaker 1: in life.
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  Speaker 2: So oh yeah, I'm not a real fucking success. Yeah no,
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  Speaker 2: but I.
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  Speaker 1: Think that, Uh, there's many advantages that people don't know
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  Speaker 1: that we have in life, and sometimes it's just right
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  Speaker 1: there in front of you sometimes, and people are sometimes
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  Speaker 1: afraid to.
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  Speaker 3: Take advantage of that. Alan to be honest with you,
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  Speaker 3: what I'm trying to say is we we have we
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  Speaker 3: have had.
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  Speaker 1: I have had opportunities in my life that I'm uh,
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  Speaker 1: they're just a little bit above my head sometimes. So you yourself, though,
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  Speaker 1: you will take that advantage and uh, you'll play it like.
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  Speaker 3: Let's you know, we play.
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  Speaker 1: Some advantage machines, not throwing basketball, but you'll actually take
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  Speaker 1: that chance because it's such a mathematical good bet that
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  Speaker 1: you'll you'll you'll take that chance in life where maybe
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  Speaker 1: I would call partners in, but you do too.
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  Speaker 3: You have guys that you went partners on machines.
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  Speaker 2: Am I right, yeah, but only because I didn't want
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  Speaker 2: to risk going broke.
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  Speaker 4: During the thing, I don't mind going broke, like, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: a part of me, a part of me has to
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  Speaker 4: be broke, like there's a part of my body that's
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  Speaker 4: more comfortable being broke than being rich.
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  Speaker 2: So don't keep me wrong.
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  Speaker 4: I prefer the rich part, but only because it allows
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  Speaker 4: for independence and it allows for you to help your
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  Speaker 4: family and friends out when they call. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Now, you're just you know, getting by.
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  Speaker 1: But one of the greatest lines Alan Boston ever told
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  Speaker 1: me was crack. I've loaned myself broke, so he's and
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  Speaker 1: it's not even loane.
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  Speaker 2: It's gifts.
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  Speaker 1: You gift people stuff you know you're not getting it back,
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  Speaker 1: so and to hit on that. Let me just tell
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  Speaker 1: you how this happened around twenty well, it's almost thirty
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  Speaker 1: years now. I wasn't even doing any kind of media.
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  Speaker 1: It's social media that just came out. Alan, I don't
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  Speaker 1: even know the answer to this. I'm sitting in my
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  Speaker 1: house in New Jersey, in my office in my house.
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  Speaker 1: Just started being a professional sports better, just quit my
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  Speaker 1: job and made it full time sports betting.
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  Speaker 3: And I hear Alan Boston on a show or radio show.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think there was podcast back then. It's around
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  Speaker 3: nineteen ninety eight. What would you have been on back then?
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  Speaker 2: Were you on Audust line? Sunday Night?
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  Speaker 3: That's it.
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  Speaker 4: I was a regular on the Sunday Night Starts line,
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  Speaker 4: which was the original, maybe not the original. Lea peaked
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  Speaker 4: at a show, but I don't think it was from
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  Speaker 4: the Starters, but it was almost like a continuation of
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  Speaker 4: the Lefty Rosenthal show that he did back in the
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  Speaker 4: seventies and eighties.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of history to it.
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  Speaker 4: It's Arnie Lang continued it, and he was the first
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  Speaker 4: person to have me on back in eighty nine.
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  Speaker 2: I want to say wow.
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  Speaker 4: And then John Kelly continued the Starters line and one
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  Speaker 4: night he was and I normally didn't listen to it,
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  Speaker 4: but I was driving home from the Strip on a
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  Speaker 4: Sunday night. It was probably a light college basketball night,
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  Speaker 4: and I had to make an overnight bet or something,
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  Speaker 4: and he said, if Alan Boss is out here, we'd
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  Speaker 4: love to have you on. And I happen to hear it,
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  Speaker 4: and I said, yeah, I think I'm banned from the Starter.
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  Speaker 4: I speak because I made fun of the I made
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  Speaker 4: fun of the.
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  Speaker 2: President of the company.
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  Speaker 4: This is the way back when they fired Scotti Schutler
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  Speaker 4: and brought some corporate fucking to run it who would
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  Speaker 4: do it his way. Even though Scotty Schutler was the
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  Speaker 4: most successful and innovative creative bookmaker of our time, I
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  Speaker 4: love him and and and made a place that smelt
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  Speaker 4: like someone took a piss all over it into an
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  Speaker 4: epic mandatory place for all gamblers to be where he
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  Speaker 4: opened the line first and took a bet and anyone
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  Speaker 4: could bet the same amount, no matter who they were,
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  Speaker 4: And he moved his line like he understood it's.
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  Speaker 2: All about markets and he could open the line.
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  Speaker 4: I told him one day, I think you could open
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  Speaker 4: every line pick randomly, opened every game pick, and you'd
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  Speaker 4: figure out how to make.
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  Speaker 2: Money to it.
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  Speaker 4: Now, granted you're gonna lose when the game should be
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  Speaker 4: and you opened it picked, but they knew how to
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  Speaker 4: move lines appropriately based on who made the bet to
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  Speaker 4: get to the proper market where they'd wright two way business.
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  Speaker 4: And back then there was a lot of two way
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  Speaker 4: business because everyone opened their own line.
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  Speaker 2: So there were middlers who.
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  Speaker 4: If the starters went from three to four and a
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  Speaker 4: half on a game, uh, they might even be a
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  Speaker 4: two and a half a round and and so they
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  Speaker 4: they immediately got a buy back and it was it
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  Speaker 4: was just a.
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  Speaker 2: Different world and a better world.
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  Speaker 4: But but but Scotty was wildly successful at a place
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  Speaker 4: that was an absolute dump and uh and and was
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  Speaker 4: the go to place like this new casino springing up everywhere.
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  Speaker 4: But everyone congregated the starters. So they got rid of
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  Speaker 4: him because he uh wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: A corporate guy.
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  Speaker 3: Alan let me ask you, and.
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  Speaker 2: I I I made, I made, I made. Uh. It
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  Speaker 2: was stan Roth, That's who it was.
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  Speaker 4: He came over from Samstown, and I I had, uh
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  Speaker 4: Steve Richmond, the very famous Steve Richmond who's no longer
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  Speaker 4: with us, UH make make T shirts up with a
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  Speaker 4: stop sign that said stop Stanstown, stan Roth, bring back Scotty.
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  Speaker 2: So he was from Stamstown.
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  Speaker 4: So I said, stop Stanstown, bring back Scotty, and I
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  Speaker 4: distributed him at the startist stan Roth wasn't very appreciative
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  Speaker 4: of this, even though it's you know, First Amendment. And
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  Speaker 4: he had me eighty six, So in spite of my
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  Speaker 4: being eighty six, they had me on a Sunday night
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  Speaker 4: Starters line every week. Anyway, that's kind of a long
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  Speaker 4: witted history for uh, yeah, for any of you history
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  Speaker 4: buffs out there.
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  Speaker 3: So you did start us line from your house then?
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  Speaker 4: Not?
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: I went to the starters where I was eighty six.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, well were allowed to bet?
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  Speaker 3: Are you allowed to bet there?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: I went and talked to uh Joe Lupo and uh
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  Speaker 4: and uh uh he was the boss. He became a
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  Speaker 4: big wig at Bagatta And you know I told him,
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  Speaker 4: I said, when he got the job at Bagotter, I said,
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  Speaker 4: see what happens when you suck c Corport dick for
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  Speaker 4: twenty years, you got a good run.
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  Speaker 2: How about now that.
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  Speaker 3: He's making seven figures a year.
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  Speaker 1: Now now he's the head of our brand new hard
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  Speaker 1: rock here in town.
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  Speaker 3: He is the boss of that place and.
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  Speaker 2: He has paid.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the boss. No one's hired, No.
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  Speaker 2: One's that's the new Mirage, the old Mirage Morage.
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  Speaker 3: They're building the guitar tower. Now here's the guy that
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  Speaker 3: running it. Sportsbook guy who went and ran. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: He went to the Brigata under Bob Bobner wind up,
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  Speaker 1: you know, being a tutor. He was really tutored there
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  Speaker 1: and went to the He was the head of many
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  Speaker 1: casinos in Florida. He was the head of hard rock
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  Speaker 1: in Atlantic City. Now he's the head of hard rock here.
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  Speaker 1: I can't wait for it to open. We need that competition.
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  Speaker 1: They're gonna get all the business. If they do it right,
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna get all the business.
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  Speaker 4: They're goneah he uh he. He has the right roots
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  Speaker 4: to do it right. But he's still a corporate guy
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  Speaker 4: at heart.
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  Speaker 3: So definitely I tried to so anything.
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  Speaker 4: He does will likely be an improvement over what's out there,
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  Speaker 4: because that play Vegas is an absolute shithole, and and
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  Speaker 4: it used to be the only place for people at
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  Speaker 4: that Now it's like a place to avoid.
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  Speaker 2: It's all.
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  Speaker 1: It's my question before, say, Alan, back then when you
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  Speaker 1: came to town by the way year, what year did
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  Speaker 1: you actually come to town to visit?
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  Speaker 3: And then what year did you move here?
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  Speaker 4: Eighty three is when I first visited, uh, and and
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  Speaker 4: just to see how here's how things have changed.
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  Speaker 2: So in eighty three I came here and and eighty
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  Speaker 2: four was.
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  Speaker 4: The second year I was here, and I ran into
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  Speaker 4: a friend, Oscar Thomas, who I had met in New
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  Speaker 4: York and he was now in Vegas, and uh, I
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  Speaker 4: think it was Danny Dotson. They had all these old
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  Speaker 4: school handicappers who you know, we all did it winging it.
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  Speaker 4: There was no internet, there was no information you could
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  Speaker 4: really get a score on games. And he liked Dartmouth
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  Speaker 4: plus four against holy Cross, so well, holy Cross was
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  Speaker 4: four against Dartber. I think it was holy Cross actually,
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  Speaker 4: So Caesars had four and a half, so we went
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  Speaker 4: and bet. They took a dime, so we had five
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  Speaker 4: hundred each on the game, which was a lot for me.
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  Speaker 2: The game closed the side we bet won, so it
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  Speaker 2: moved a lot.
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  Speaker 4: But when you looked at the opening line sheet at
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  Speaker 4: the starters, they opened at fifteen, I'll.
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  Speaker 2: Think about that.
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  Speaker 4: They opened a game fifteen that we're taking four on
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  Speaker 4: closing the other side one.
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  Speaker 2: So the game moved sixteen points off the opener. That's how.
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  Speaker 4: Much easier it was in the eighties to win that
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  Speaker 4: some banged out line you're still stealing.
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  Speaker 3: Caesars was up that much earlier. For no, this was
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  Speaker 3: late in the day.
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  Speaker 2: Starters had opened at fifteen, they had it four.
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  Speaker 4: We walked over to Caesars they had four and a half,
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  Speaker 4: so we bet it there obviously, and the game closed
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  Speaker 4: the other side one. All right, no starters was first up,
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  Speaker 4: and they probably took real small limits in that game.
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  Speaker 4: It was you know, Holy crossed off with like I
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  Speaker 4: didn't even know that was a I'm surprised they booked
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  Speaker 4: totly cross back then. But but there were X number
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  Speaker 4: of conferences they booked, and that was one of them.
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  Speaker 4: The point being is is the game moves eleven points
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  Speaker 4: and it's still a big bet for this guy right game,
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  Speaker 4: and then it moves five more that doesn't exist anymore,
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  Speaker 4: and as in spite of that, the starter still won
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  Speaker 4: to circle back to the point before they could still
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  Speaker 4: win even though they opened a bad line.
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  Speaker 1: That was gonna be my question, Alan, back then, compared
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  Speaker 1: to now, how much more could you get on the game?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I was it just it's amazing how hard
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  Speaker 1: it is to get down on college basketball now compared
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  Speaker 1: to back then. You could probably you know when even
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  Speaker 1: in the nineties or whatever, you could probably bet. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, you're gonna tell me how many you were
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  Speaker 1: part of you were the syndicate, But how much was
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  Speaker 1: your group now?
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  Speaker 4: I was never a syneicate. It was me and my
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  Speaker 4: partner and we did everything on our own. But we
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  Speaker 4: if we called out all our resources. Uh and uh,
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  Speaker 4: I'll say late ninety really two thousands. I could get
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  Speaker 4: two hundred thousand on a basketball game college basketball.
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  Speaker 3: Unbelievable.
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  Speaker 4: It need me and I know that to be true
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  Speaker 4: because I I I went crazy one day because they
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  Speaker 4: opened a I really wanted to bet a game, but
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  Speaker 4: I wanted a certain price, so I just started screwing
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  Speaker 4: around with it on the screen.
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  Speaker 2: This is a true story.
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  Speaker 4: So I bet seventy two thousand on the side. I
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  Speaker 4: didn't like, Okay, how many two thousand? Now, I wasn't
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  Speaker 4: that big or better, like, you know, I like the gamble,
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  Speaker 4: but that you know, And I got to give my
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  Speaker 4: partner credit.
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  Speaker 2: He was kind of a knitti guy when we first started,
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  Speaker 2: but he didn't beat an eyelash.
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  Speaker 4: And then I sent my buddy Oscar out. I said, see,
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  Speaker 4: we can get me off screen. They had a screen
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  Speaker 4: at the time, so this is probably for about two thousand, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: two thousand and one. And he said, I got you
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  Speaker 4: one hundred and seventeen thousand. I said, okay, thank you.
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  Speaker 4: He said you need more. I said, no, that's good,
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  Speaker 4: but we'll happen from here. And then we bet an
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  Speaker 4: extra you know, then we bet the screen and got
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  Speaker 4: another uh fifty or or or so on it sixty maybe,
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  Speaker 4: but he said I could get more, and we had
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  Speaker 4: bet like one hundred and seventy on the right side.
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  Speaker 3: Wow you were, You were betting a lot more than
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  Speaker 3: I even thought. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm not bashful about gambling. So so I could
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  Speaker 2: have got two hundred thousand easily, and I know it can't,
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  Speaker 2: I know, I know, you know, mister.
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  Speaker 4: Walters, God knows what he got down right, because he
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  Speaker 4: would you know, he spent He had a much bigger
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  Speaker 4: group than I had, and and uh and and and
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  Speaker 4: needed to bet a lot more to to make it
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  Speaker 4: worth his while. So I'm assuming you could get a
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  Speaker 4: half a million on a game. But but you know,
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  Speaker 4: he was he he was very innovative and and creative
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  Speaker 4: and how he got down and uh but just on
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  Speaker 4: the square two hundred thousand wouldn't was not was not impossible.
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  Speaker 1: Your relation today is still fantastic with Billy, am I right?
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  Speaker 2: Mister Yeah? We still still say all once in a while.
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  Speaker 4: We're getting older, and you know he's uh he he
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  Speaker 4: used to try to mentor me a little bit, which
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  Speaker 4: was I don't think his uh I don't think it
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  Speaker 4: was his norm, but I think he actually kind of
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  Speaker 4: enjoyed it. I don't know he saw me. I think
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  Speaker 4: he saw me a little different light than most because
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  Speaker 4: the first time when he first contacted me, and I
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  Speaker 4: still have to ask him this, he called me like
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  Speaker 4: seven am. And I'm nobody. I'm getting like five hundred
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  Speaker 4: a game for some friends.
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  Speaker 2: I'm broke. I'm just a kid. I'm thirty years old, baby.
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  Speaker 4: Actually no, I was like thirty thirty one, yeah, thirty
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  Speaker 4: one or thirty two, thirty one, thirty two, thirty two, right,
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  Speaker 4: and my friends would betting a Nicola game for me.
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  Speaker 2: In college football?
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  Speaker 4: And uh, I get a call Red Bill Walter's here,
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  Speaker 4: huh like number one.
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  Speaker 2: How the fuck did you get my phone number? And
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  Speaker 2: number two? Why?
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  Speaker 4: And he said, I think I got something that's good
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  Speaker 4: for us. Can can we meet at the country club?
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  Speaker 4: I said, mister Waldace, I'm not a country club guy.
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  Speaker 4: And I had talked with him once and did not
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  Speaker 4: come up with a very good feeling.
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  Speaker 3: Huh.
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  Speaker 4: So I wanted to make him a little uncomfortable, so
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  Speaker 4: I said, let's go to Ellis Island. Now Ellis Island
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  Speaker 4: at the time was a shithole bar that I used
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  Speaker 4: to drink out on occasion. It's the quintessential sleazy, old
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  Speaker 4: school Vegas bar. And he told me why I should
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  Speaker 4: work with him, and I said, are you done?
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  Speaker 2: He said yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I said, well, here's why I won't because when we
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  Speaker 4: first met, you were a condescending asshole and I didn't
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  Speaker 4: want to have anything to do with you, and no
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  Speaker 4: amount of money could could change that. Well, I appreciate
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  Speaker 4: your honesty, read, but you know, maybe you can change
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  Speaker 4: your mind and we'll talk. And again I refer to
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  Speaker 4: my friend Oscar. Oscar told me, are you fucking crazy? Like?
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  Speaker 4: At tell me you want twenty thousand a game? I said,
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  Speaker 4: twenty thousand a game? What are you crazy? Like? Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you'll get it. I said, I can't ask for that much.
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  Speaker 4: That's that's just ridiculous. Turns out it wasn't ridiculous. I
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  Speaker 4: probably could have got it. And I said, you know what,
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  Speaker 4: I'm broke and this guy is really influential and maybe
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  Speaker 4: I was just wrong, which I was.
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  Speaker 2: He was really good to me and has been like
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  Speaker 2: throughout the entire time.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: And we met this time at the Sterling Brunch at
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  Speaker 4: Valley's the original gourmet brunch. Alreo was the Natre D.
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  Speaker 4: I used top them twenty dollars every.
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  Speaker 2: Time, and and you know, you get treated like a king.
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  Speaker 4: That was old school Vegas too, That was and then
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  Speaker 4: they got rid of and they eventually fired Oreo, poor Oreo.
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  Speaker 2: I want, I wonder what happened to all these old
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  Speaker 2: natre d's, p O and U.
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  Speaker 3: Like the like the tuxedo and the rose color glass.
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  Speaker 4: Always had tuxedo, always black tie, every matre d black tie, Yes, sir, no, sir,
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  Speaker 4: thank you.
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  Speaker 2: That's old school Vegas.
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  Speaker 4: Where you got treated with respect and and and you've
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  Speaker 4: got a little more respect if you tipped them. I
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  Speaker 4: will say that, but you know, money's always ruled sadly.
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  Speaker 4: But we went there and I told him, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I told them what I wanted. I said, like I said,
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  Speaker 4: I do help people with their opening their lines, and
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  Speaker 4: they pay me. So I need twelve out and all
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  Speaker 4: us to live on. And I'd like up to twelve
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  Speaker 4: thousand a game. And he said, what about ten? I said,
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  Speaker 4: I didn't come ahead of bargain. We got a deal
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  Speaker 4: read and.
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  Speaker 2: That was it. Wow, you know, I think fifteen years
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  Speaker 2: later I.
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: Was in Maine and I was having dinner with the
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: young lady and I said, boy, I'm kind of dreading
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: this football season. She said, well, they need the money.
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: I said no, but yes, and she said, life short.
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 15:29
  Speaker 4: I went home and throw out all the football work.
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: I called up mister Walters. He said, you're ready football read.
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: I said, well, I don't think I can give you
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: an appropriate amount of time to have you give me
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: what I deserve, what you've been giving me. And I
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: don't think it's fair to you because I'm not into it,
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: like I don't have the energy to give you proper effort.
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: And I said, so, thanks for your help over the years,
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: and we'll stay in touch.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: And I'm done. And he said, well, thanks for being honest. Red.
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: Now it's because I could have got I could have
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: done some half assed work, sent them a list and
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: maybe even made money.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: But that's that's that's not that's not being forthright or honest.
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: And we certainly lack that in the world today, Like
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: you know, since our government lies to us about virtually everything. Uh,
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: and so does the news news reporters, and so don't
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: most gamblers actually like the information on sports betting is
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: really diseased and and and sad.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Because they're all in it for money.
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: They want clicks so they can refer to with sportsbook
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: and they make money on each click.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: It's it's all fucking bullshit.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the influencers, the TikTok Instagram.
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: They don't know their asshole from page one, and and
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: I mean some do, some have remnants of a clue.
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: But you know they're not contacting me because I'll actually
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: speak the truth like that. Yeah, you don't have that.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: You can't have someone who actually knows what he's talking about.
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: I'm not bragging. I don't think it's some great thing
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: that I know what I'm doing with college basketball, but
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: sure I have been doing it for professionally since eighty nine,
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: So that's thirty six years. And I lost two of
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: those thirty.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: Six years, right, so we had all times.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: So losing years out of thirty six.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty good. Maybe you're supposed to win all
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: thirty six. I don't know, like maybe I'm actually not
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: that good.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: But you know, if for anyone listening to here watching
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Alan and I had a couple of seasons together with
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: the first season.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: I swear to you, I swear to you.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: We ran bad. We ran bad the end games. If
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: we went fifty to fifty, we would have won one
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: hundred units. Instead we won seventy two. I like seventy
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: two units.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: I'm not choking.
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: But if we would have went fifty to fifty on
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: end games where we were in the game, had the
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: game and lost the last minute or overtime overtime underdogs
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: ough overtime of that year, and.
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: We're running about eighteen percent end games. I was charting
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: it for a while and it never got any better,
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: so I stopped.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: It was like so fucking aggravating. It's just so so
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: it work was really good, Yeah, I was. I was.
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: You know, sometimes you catch a rhythm or or you
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: you just have every team rated properly to start and
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: it's easy from there and you know, you just you've
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: got the right rating and there's nothing to worry about.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: And that's kind of happened that year. We were in
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: a good situation.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: You had some very very good outs where we yep,
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: you know, get some good prices and and it was
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: it was very very easy. Uh and and mister Walters
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: was involved with some manipulation and we wouldn't get this way,
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: and we could take advantage of that since he usually won,
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: you know, his computer.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: I usually lined up with my old school approach.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Uh, and you're still doing that. Alan is still doing
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: People all realize this. Alan still has binders that oh o,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: here and I even had that.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Look at this. That's now what is give?
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: Give?
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Tell the public what that is?
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: You know, Well, it's I've evolved.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: I used to have two of these A through M
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: and N N through Z, but now I've evolved and
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: upgraded to one. So I'm actually modernizing my approach. I've
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: gone from two three ring binders to one. That is
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: meant as a joke, but sure, sure, But.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Here in his old school way, you're doing you're doing
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: a lot of work, page by page.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: We have kind of you know, we're all creatures of
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: habit and and and this is how I started.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: And you know, although I've.
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: Tweaked my thinking on how to how to do things,
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: and and you know, the sport is ever changing with
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: the shot clock and the rules and the propensity to
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: take three point shots, which is completely ruined the game.
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: Uh and now and now they do now now it's
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: just a big business. It's it's an absolute shit show.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: Now college basketball is a fucking joke, but at least
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: it don't at least it don't torture us with the
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: student athlete bullshit anymore.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: You don't hear that word anymore since.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: Some kid I just read this in a way here,
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: some kid just quit high school before a senior year
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: to weigh his options to to see what school he
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: wants to go to. So he's doing his senior year
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: or high school so we can get to the money
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: quicker and get to the NBA quicker, which of course
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: is not good for him because he's.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Still just a kid.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: And you should experience your four years of high school
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: and experience your whole adolescence before you become a multimillionaire.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Uh that's just my opinion.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: If I were a parent, I would force him to
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: stay the four years, but you know I'm not, and
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: money rules, and.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Ye, the fact that the college is allowed this is
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: just disgusting. I asked him pretense and just in this
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: to the money, I asked.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Some questions on Twitter. I said, I was an interview you.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I had to take it down. There were so many
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: questions I had to take it down. Literally, Like the
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: first guy asked Alan about transfer portal. Nil, you know,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: how big of an advantage is it for these big
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: universities compared to you know, I can.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Answer that very succinctly.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: N C Central coach by Vodell Moo and a terrific
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: coach by the way, who no one's ever heard of,
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: but he's very, very good.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: He always beats my number.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: Every year with played n C State and they lost
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: by like fifty and his quote after the game was,
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: they have twelve man spent on their basketball team.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: I have zero dollars. Who do you think, like, yeah,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: they but thirty years ago, maybe it's one thirty years ago.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: Now. I was told that the NCAA wants to have
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: four or so power conferences break off and do their
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: own thing. They they and so I've been contending for
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: years that the whole U NCAA draw is corrupt. And
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: everyone laughed at me and said, I'm just you know,
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: I don't know if us called conspiracy theories, but you know,
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: just like delusional or words to that effect.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: But you know, I know I'm right.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: Anything that's done behind closed doors probably isn't on the square,
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: you know, witnessed our government. Uh And and yeah, I'm
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: a Libitarian, so I'll keep referencing our government. But yeah,
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: they go and meet behind closed doors and they talk
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: about all these uh you know, uh things that they
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: use to determine who gets what seed, when in fact,
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: they could have used Jeff Sagarin's ratings or eventually Ken
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: Palm ratings and had a really good idea of it.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: No one's ever gonna call me, because what the hell
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: do I know? I don't know where any schools to
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: be rated.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Like, they could have just called a gambler and said,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: you know, we do us a favor and send us
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: your top hundred teams in order. I would gladly do that.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: I get nothing out of it. Who do I give
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: a shit who plays who I'm not. I could never
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: control that.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: But they would never do that because what they wanted,
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: and what they've always wanted, is they don't like Cinderella,
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: even though Cinderella sells more tickets and gets more views.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: The head of NBC when Loyal Chicago is making their
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: run with Sister Jean who recently passed away at one.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: Hundred and five. God bless her, Praise Jesus.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Right, that was great. That was great for basketball.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was great for basketball, but he said, we'd
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: rather have Kentucky because the ratings are better. So someone
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: actually saw that statement and then did an an analysis.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: You know, they have it on all those different networks, True,
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: you know and whatever, all those networks TRUEBS and TNT.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: And and then c you know, CBS or NBC, whatever
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: the hell it is.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: There's four different places to watch college basketball games now,
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: So he took all of Loyola's games during the run
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: and compared them to that network on that time frame
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: to see what the ratings were.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: And after the first round, after.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: Loyola beat Miamia, Florida, I think it was in the
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: first round, they were they blew away whatever the ratings
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: were for all those time frames on years past. Now,
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: that doesn't prove that people enjoy Cinderella, but for that particular.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Team, the ratings exploded when they were on.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: Now, when I remember NCAA tournaments, I remember Butler out
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: of nowhere making two final fours in a row. I
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: remember George Mason's run to the final four. You remember
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: Sister Jane and they run to the final four. You
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: always remember the underdog, even Cornell making the Sweet sixteen,
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: or Princeton win here a couple of games, Yeah, the fans.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: In fact, Princeton saved the IVY League.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: ESPN used to do the NCAA tournament and Princeton's playing
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: Georgetown and there were one hundred point underdog one verse
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: sixteen and the game is like pickam as to who's
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: gonna win, and then the referees, you know, a Princeton
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: player ended up like in the third row with a.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Bloody nose and they call the follow on him and
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: George Hell won the game.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: But the rain that the word got out, this pre
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: social media word got out, like you know, because the
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: scores are being updated everywhere and everyone was watching that game.
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: It was the highest rated game on ESPN at the time.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: And they will go to eliminate the automatic bid.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: For the IVY League.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: That's what they wanted to do, and that can save
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: the IVY League from being eliminated from the automatic big
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: because Princeton's taking the number one team to the wire
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: and arguably should have won the game. So they're they're
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: all wrong about trying to funnel the money to all
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: the power schools, but that's what they do, and that's
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: what all this nil bullshit's about. Because the power. The
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: power schools get more nil money from the tournament than
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: the lower schools at back Lavelle Mote, and the NC
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: Central coach apparently says, fuck this, I'm not paying some
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: college kid to come to college. It's some privilege to
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: come here. They're on scholarship, many of them, and they
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: play for the lave of basketball. That's the old thought
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: process with basketball. You go to college to get an education,
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: albeit maybe not very good anymore, and if you like basketball,
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: you get to play it. Now it's a big business now.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: It's just as soon as there was a billion dollar
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: TV contract for the NCAA tournament, that was the end
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: of college basketball. So ESPN simultaneously made the sport great
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: and ruined it ironically.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's talk about a little college basketball now,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: because you have to evolve, and you have to evolve.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I know you're still using the binders everything, but you
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: still have to evolve.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: And and now I'm calling you and I see that.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: You know, you're having a good season so far after
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: like a good start in the middle So do you
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: think your beginning of the season right now is no
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: different than middle conference tournaments? March Madness where would you
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: think your strength lies or is it the whole thing?
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: So it used to be kind of random whether I
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: started well, because again you're just evaluating teams. It was
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: what what has happened was where, and maybe where I
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: had a slight edge to start the year was I'm
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: very aware of the coaches that are very good at
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: developing players, so like Mark Schmid at Saint Bonavitch or
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: Chris Mooney at Richmond, just to name two, when they
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: get freshmen.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Who went now juniors, freshman sophomore is the biggest league.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: But these guys were so good that they'd always the
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: teams would always get progressively better if they had players
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: to stay a few years.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: So I knew to upgrade.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: These teams that had players returning with coaches that are
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: good at developing them, they always got better. Especially Mark
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Sbitt absolutely amazing. The Saint Bonde coach is fantastic. Chris
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: Mooney too, I shouldn't slight him.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: The only place that happens now, and even even they
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: have some transferring there is the Ivy League and a
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: little lesser in the Patriot League because there's still uh
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: strong academics.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Uh, they still academics matter. More than than sports there.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: My dream is that, uh, the IVY League, because fuck you,
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: we have more money than all of you, and we're
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: gonna buy up all the good players and we're gonna
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: get eight, all eight of our teams in a tournament
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: and then we'll see what they change the rules, because
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: the IVY League is played in you know, except for
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: Penn who plays in a five thousand seat arena, most
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: of them playing like a thousand seed arenas, like no
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: money there, like uh uh you know, and who cares
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: about Brown or Dartmouth or or or Columbia. Uh So
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: that that's my dream is they just sell out and say,
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: fuck you, we're gonna get all the good players. We're
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: gonna We're not gonna we don't care about our academics anymore,
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: and we're gonna get all eight of our teams in
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: the NCAA tournament.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: That ain't gonna happen, and I really hope it doesn't.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: But in the back of my mind, a part of me,
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: uh you know, wants to screw screw this big business
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: that's going on now is far me go.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Because uh, my theory is that a coach at the.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: Same school will typically recruit a similar type athlete, So
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: Duke will get an A plus athlete, where Maryland will
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: get an A athlete, where Ken will get a c athlete,
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: and and and see Central we'll get a D athlete.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: So you know, there's there's a tier of of of
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: where a good player would typically go that is no
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: longer the case. Kids just transfer where they can make
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: the most money, and they do it.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: NonStop.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: So Baylor, who's a top twenty program, every year they
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: have an entire new team. And that's right across the board.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: So when I'm evaluating these teams now number one, it's
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: a little trickier because it's not guys developing players, it's
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: not players returning, So there's some consistency to their thing.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: It's who has the most.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: Union money and who has you know, uh, who can
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: bring in the best players. To some extent, Coaching still
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: matters a lot, but that's all I can still go
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: on is how good is this coach? And you know,
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: guess at how good the talent is, and then guess
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: at a number. So whereas in years past, if a
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: team had an effort that I that was unexpected to me,
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: I'd ignore it because I knew that I.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Probably had my power rating very very close.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: Now, when I make a game three and it closes
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: eight and they lose by fifty, I'm more prone to
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: react to that, which is not a good thing because
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: you know, you spend all this time trying to evaluate
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: a team for a rating, and now I'm doubting it
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: because they have twelve new players, Like, maybe I'm just wrong.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: It's and and yeah, it's an absolute shit show. They've
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: completely completely ruined the spirit of the game, and they've
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: completely ruined the game itself. They're getting their one oh
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: five ninety scores a lot more because they because they think,
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: once again, they think the powers that be. I think
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: that number one, people want to watch Kentucky rather than
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: loyal Chicago. Number two, they think they want to see
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: high scoring games rather than low scoring games.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Neither one of those are true, but.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: That's where they drive every single rule change to get
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: to that. With a power schools win and the scores
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: get higher, so they shorten the shot clock, which makes
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: advantage more talented teams, and they change the rules tool
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: off a little more, you know, freedom, and and and
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: now that they're all following the NBA model, which which
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: is rather surprising. It took them a long time to
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: figure out that three is more than two. The analytics
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: told them that are three point shots better than a
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: two point shot? Now, how fucking stupid do you have
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: to be to not know that three is more than
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: two and you should be trying to take more three pointers?
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: But the analytics that they wait for computers to tell
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: them that it's it's it's really bizarre. So anyway, Yeah,
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: so I'm a little more uncomfortable now to start the year,
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: and I try to remind myself that i'm probably you know,
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: please don't over act when you're wrong, But it's a
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: much harder reminder. Number one, I'm sixty seven years old,
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: not thirty two. And number two, they have twelve new
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: players and I could just be wrong. So the first week,
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: I'm not surprised that it didn't go well. However, this week,
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: the work has been fantastic because they've now had two
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: games and I could take a lot of inferences on
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: those two games based on how their opponents did in
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: their second game, and you know, just just normal simple logic.
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: So I'm not surprised that I'm doing better this week
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: than the first week.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you about, like, how do you
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: win that the rosters, different teams jumping nil? How do
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: you win now compared to years ago, which you think
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: you can win at the same percentage? You know, You've
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: told me in the offseason when I went up to
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: the Fox with's a couple of times, I'm not doing
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: basketball next year, and every year we still do it.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: So every every year still do it? Is the reasons
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: why he said, you're not doing it because of these transfers,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: the nil, the money, and like, is that the reason why?
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: No, it's it's it's uh, that's a part of it,
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: but not for the reason you think I'm a So
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: I went to Penn and the Poluster is just an
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: unbelievable arena to watch basketball in. And back when I
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: went in the seventies, all the big five games were there,
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: which was lesalavill Andova, Penn, Saint Jose, uh and Temple,
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: and they played all the games at the Pluster all
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: there were and half the tickets went to one school
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: and half the tickets went to the other. Oh's never
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: been a better atmosphere for for any game imaginable. You know,
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: people want to kill each other on both sides of
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: the things and then they go drake afterwards together.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: It was just unbelievable.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: And it wasn't home advantage Penn because it was the
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: plaster because half the tickets went to one school and
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: a lot of them played games there anyway, because it's
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: such a great venue and basketball wasn't huge at the time,
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: so there was no reason for them to build these
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: brand new, you know, big arenas to try to get
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: recruits and generate income.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: So they all played there because it was more tradition.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: It was more about the love of the game.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: So I grew to be a college basketball fan, the
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: one sport I did not play as a kid because
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: short news don't typically excel at basketball, and that wasn't
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: my gig.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: I was a baseball guy.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: But I I delved into other other sports and and
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: and probably better than most would actually think. But basketball
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: wasn't my thing. Yet I became this basketball junkie. So
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: the the the nil and the rules. They had forty
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: five They had no shocklock when I first watched it,
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: and then they had a forty five second shock clock,
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: and that's what I prefer It's not supposed to be
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: an NBA minor league.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: But now it is.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: And so it's not that it's not that it's become
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: you know, X percentage more difficult because of the nil
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: and the rampant transferring it has, but I get a
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: handle on that pretty quickly. It's that this game I
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: once loved has completely lost its way. So I'm actually
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: disgusted by by every minute that I'm working on it,
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: because I just really, you know, I just can't. I
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: can't stand with the done to this really really beautiful
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: game that was played out in these real small arenas,
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: with the local reps cheating for the home team and
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: you know, yelling all these racial, mean spirited things, but
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: it was all done in fun. Now, you can't go
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: a BYU game. They did the hook them the lawn.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: They were playing Texas and they did the hook them
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: horns down, and they were asked not to do that
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: again because they were offending Texas. Well, who gives a
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: fuck off your offending Texas. That's the whole point of it,
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: that's the whole fun of it. That's the people just
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: completely lost their minds with all this.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: You know, you gotta be nice to everybody. We're humans,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: were flawed, We're not nice. We're mean. But this isn't
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: even being mean spirited.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: This is going to a basketball game and enjoying yourself
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: by digging up shit on the players and rubbing it
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: into them. And I'm sure they all laugh about it after,
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: but they could say some real mean spirited shit. And
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: back then it was it was borderline being beyond mean spirited,
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: like it often sounded very racist, but it wasn't.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: It was all done and fun. And now it's you.
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: Know, like I said, anytime it becomes a big business,
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: it becomes very corrupt and and and that's what we
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: have here. We have a very corrupt game that that
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: that is is going to be ruined, I predict eventually,
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: because if once you lose Cinderella, the NCAA tournament loses
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: this charm. And they will find that out. Maybe not
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: when I'm alive, but at some point they will find
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: that out. They were all happy they got the top
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: four teams to the final fall last year. I guarantee
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: that if that continues, their ratings will drop.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: You called them out every year on my show. We
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: do a show over year for the last like five
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: six years, maybe more about the committee and stuff and
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: the things that has happened. Uh, I didn't even forgot.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: Isn't that what they want for ratings though your top
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: four teams?
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: I don't think so.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: I think the fans love the other way, having a Cinderella,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: not even a Cinderella.
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: You know, guy proved it when he went out, when
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: he went through the Loyalist Chicago thing, and and and
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: and I don't know if he followed it up with
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: similar things. But when when someone makes a run that's unexpected,
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: that's all. That's what you read about, right, you read
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: the articles? You know, can they do it again? Even
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: a first round upset like they talked about, that's what
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: they talk about.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Big deal. Duke one is a forty point favorite, who
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: gives a shit?
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: South Dakota State winning is a ten point underdog. Will
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: they do it again on Saturday or Sunday? You know,
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: it's it's it's it's it's human to root for an underdog.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Virginia Maryland beat them Baltimore, Baltimore County, right, I don't know.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: How any points they were. I think it was at
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: least twenty.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Actually, I think that. I think he's the coach of
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Virginia Now.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: I think the guy who coached them is now the yes, yes,
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: oh yeah, I think he was the coach of Baltimball
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: County then.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't that amazing really good coach? Yeah, I never
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: thought of that. Yeah, ironically he's the coach of Virginia now,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: very good.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: By the way, By the way, who are your coaches? Yere?
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Like those little schools like Oakland and who are your coaches?
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: You really like? Look at me like, maybe you're I don't.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Know, three or four coaches that you absolutely love their work.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: And no one's gonna hear of some of these guys too, probably, you.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: Know, the best job in the country last year done
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: by Eric Ollen at Cal San Diego.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: There you go, Okay, not even close.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: Is he still there? He's still there.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: He's had New Mexico now okay, which was a big
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: step up for him.
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: He was Cal San Diego. They were a D two school.
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: Now Cal San Diego. You know, I'm not I'm not
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: in the loop with college admissions. But it's a beautiful
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: campus in La Joya, up on a hill there as
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: you Hadul col Oyo. Absolutely gorgeous, but it's also extremely
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: difficult to get in academically.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: They are brutal, very small school, elite elite, elite.
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: Applicants, and he turned those players who five years prior
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: were was a D two school, So he doesn't have
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: talent there. They're not pouring money into their basketball program
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: because they only care about academics. And he had them
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: playing pick them against Michigan in the first round last
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: year in a game they would have won if they
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: if they shot the ball all all. So he he played.
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: He had this brutally tough academic school that doesn't give
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: a fuck about basketball that was D two five years
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: prior playing pick him to a very good Big ten team.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: So he was a number one coach last year. Another
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: guy who's under the radar is Chris Markwood at Maine,
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: and ironically, Cooper Flagg kind of wanted to go to Maine.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: His younger brother or his brother or a twin brother.
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: I don't know if he his brother goes to Maine University.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: Now he's not as good, but Cooper wanted to go there.
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: And I would argue that, you know, he would have
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: done better by going to Maine because Markwood's a better
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: coach than Shire.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: I like Shire.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: I think he's pretty good, but he's not markwood markwood
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: Work burkles up there.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: He has a zero talent. Maine is a hockey school.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: It's in one of the areas of Maine that actually
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: isn't very nice, and it's fucking cold at or No,
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: it's north of Augusta, in the middle of the state.
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: It's cold, there's nothing to do. They don't give a
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: shit about basketball. They don't always play on campus. And
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: he turned that no talent team into into a competitive
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: American East team.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Just absolute burkele worker. So he's another one that no one.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: Knows about, like the Mark spitt and Chris Mooney, anyone
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: that does this knows they're really good.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: In fact, anyone that does this knows. You know who
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: the good coaches were.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: I knew Grant mccaslan, who's a Texas Tech now, was
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: a wizard what he did a little rock years ago.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: Uh So those were the top two last year. But
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: there's a whole myriad of coaches that are that are
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: that are unknown, that are really good. Uh A lot
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: of these guys that are brought up from D two
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: are are are bowling minds. Johnny Tower at St. Thomas
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: another genius. Watch them run offense and and it's it's
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: an absolute beautiful vision.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Uh, how efficient and how well they run offense?
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: How did that coach do How did the coach do
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: that moved up to New Mexico.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: How is he this is his first year, He probably
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: has one or.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Two games underneath them. How does he adjust? Does he
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: adjust for the bigger type of school talent?
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Whatever it is. I'm sure he do what he does.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: I'm sure he will, but I'm also sure he'd rather
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: have players for two or three years, which probably won't happen.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: And I'm not so sure he'll even do.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: You know, they're playing four points below and the Mexell's
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: playing four and half points lower Thankel San Diego right now.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: This year's the Mexico team, which isn't overly talented, by
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: the way, But this guy, you know, it's it's a
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: whole he'd be better if players were there two three years.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: There's another one that you know, he runs real complex
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: stuff and the defenses is very tricky to learn. There's
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: some guys it takes a long time to learn their
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: learn that stuff. The coach at Washington State is also
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: very good, David Riley. He was talking in the press
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: conference the other day, he said, I screwed up. He said,
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: you know, it's he runs his kind of read and
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: react system where there's no rules about what to do,
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: but you have to take inferences for what by what
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: the defense is doing. What the defense does dictates what
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: you're going to do on offense, and the kids were
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: overthinking everything. He said, I screwed up. So I just
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: dumbed everything down. I made it a lot simple for him,
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: and we came out and played a lot better. So
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: those first two games were on me. That's what he said. Wow,
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: But he'd rather coach where they run a more you know,
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: convoluted type stuff like if you can, the more complex
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: you make it, the more harder it is on you
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: to depend it. Okay, but to him for keeping it simple.
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: And I'm sure he'll work in his thing. But he
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: has new you know, when you have twelve new players
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: every year, there's no one there that could then help
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: the kids out to try to teach them this complex stuff.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: So there, Yeah, we have five minutes left. I had
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: nine questions, I asked one, so we're gonna have to fish.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: I'll try to be most sync, but it's not my demeanor.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: No, no, it's my fault, really, but I want to
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: I want to let you go. So here, we got
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: five minutes left. You said something to the other day
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: that almost blew me out of the chair. You just
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: don't even know it yet. It happened yesterday with oh,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: I think it was Oakland. I think it was Oakland.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: That it was was Oakland went from thirty to thirty
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: three and a half?
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Is that yesterday? Yeah? Then back down again?
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah?
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, So so that line was three and a half
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: and you were like, I don't care.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: I don't care about the line. It's better now. I
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: don't care. Who about the other way? I like my side.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Give me a dirty three and a half, whatever it
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: may be. And then you said something to me. You said,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: closing line value. That doesn't mean much. I don't I
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: was schooled under getting the best of the lines and
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: the closing line value. Did you mean college basketball? Did
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: you mean in general?
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: What did you know?
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: So let me let me let me find tune that
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: a little bit for me personally. Who's had some success
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: with this?
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: Let me uh let me start with the premise double
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: one greatness is achieved by being different unless your box Zuckerberg.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: And steal someone's stuff and become a millionaire with it.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: Typically, when you find the only the only thing, the
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: only time you're great is when you do something new.
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: These inventors who didn't steal from Tesla or from someone else.
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: Uh like Elon Musk who went to Penn by the way, Uh,
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: what he's doing is different and new. Any you know anything,
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: Copying someone isn't gonna make you great. Being innovative, being
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: creative is going to make you great. So being different
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: is the way to go. If you play fallow the leader,
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: you're always going to be second best because the leader
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: is going to be better. And the only time you
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: get better than the leader is when you fine tune
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: what he does. So the only time you get better
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: is when you do something different than what he does.
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: So for someone like me who's had some success with this,
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: if I'm constantly laying three in the games closing five,
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: I have nothing that's new or different than anybody else.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: But if I'm laying three in the games closing one,
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: well I'm seeing it a little different than they are.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: And that's a good thing for me because I will
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: continue to have success because they're gonna continually be wrong,
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: They're gonna have to adjust to what I'm doing. So
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: I got it right and they got it wrong. So
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: I want every game to move against me. Now, if
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: you're first starting as a handicapper, yes, CLV is a
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: good guide to have. So I'm saying, specifically for me,
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: I want every game to move against me. I don't
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: want I want my thought process to be on its
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: own and unique and different and better.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: May not.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but but typically if you respect the closing line,
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: which I you know, I don't necessarily respect the closing
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: line either, uh, because sometimes the smartest people are hiding
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: what they're doing, and the line that's closing on the
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: screen isn't exactly a reflection of what the true line
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: should be. In other words, if you're a really big outfit,
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: you're going to bet the screen from four to five
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: and then find ways to bet plus five without anyone knowing,
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: so the game actually should be three and that's five.
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: You may know that dynamic too. That doesn't happen as
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: much anymore because people are too fucking stupid to do it,
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: and much shit chat and you know, everyone wants to,
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: you know, brag about how smart they are and et cetera,
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: et cetera. Yeah, it's just human nature, so it's really
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: hard to hide stuff. But uh, I'm not necessarily a
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: believer that the closing line is a true reflection of
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: what that line should be. So I remember the other
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: night my screen blew up and I couldn't even write
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: the closing lines down. I said, you know what, because
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: I always looked at the closed line to see where
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: I was different. And maybe I'm wrong, And but you
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: know what, I liked it better when when I didn't
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: know what the closing line was, because now I'm not
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: influenced by you know, something that may be total bullshit.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: Maybe there was some injury, maybe the team had the
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: flu and I didn't know it and I never got
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: to read about it. You know, you don't know why
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: games are being met sometimes, right, Oh, maybe someone was
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: just screwing around and actually betting the other side off screen,
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: which I hope happens, but sure he doesn't.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: So these so these people.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: Go on there and brag about how you know, I
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: love it when someone brags it. I laid three in
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: a game that's already five. This is when I stopped
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: watching social media. Someone someone had bragged oh I laid
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: three in this game, Like, well, why didn't you say
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: you laid three when it was three everywhere? Right, instead
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: of telling us when it's five, like yeah, like you
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: just wrote words out like all right, well tell us
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: why you're going to wagh three. I used to put
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: games out all the time, but it just it just
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: it just wasn't worth it. Sure, sure it wasn't worth Well, listen,
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: we're gonna wrap. I get too pained when I lose.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Sure you feel, but you feel worse for them than
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: you do your own money.
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, I'm losing a hooking into the ship. I
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: don't care if I'm broke, like it's it's more fun
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: being broke.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: But uh, this is a.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Great first one to here forty five minutes, about forty
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: five minutes, and I could see doing this.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Ever answered the question, I don't remember what the question was.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: But oh, there's gonna be nine CLB question, right, you know,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: there's so many questions that we're gonna ask.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: So that's that's that's my COLB theory.
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: I think in general, if you're if you're first starting
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: off betting and you're doing it and you have CLV,
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: you're probably on.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: The right track, right, But I'm.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Saying it's not.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: It's not necessarily sustainable because you want to be different,
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: you want to find new and innovative ways.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: To to think about things. There are no rules for anything.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: Like anyone who says the computer is right is wrong
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: because computers evolving and changing what they think.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: What the poker com Peter said ten years ago, it
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: was different what they're saying now. Yeah, and it will
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: get better. Cool. Cool.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Well, listen, guys, we're gonna wrap this up, and I
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: hope to have Balan on every week and to do
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: a little you know, there's so many stories, so many
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: still younger stories, so many, like he said Oscar to
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: the group, there's so many, Benny, Beny, you can go
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: on and on, Eric Drake the other day, I went
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: back and forth. But we're gonna have a special thing here.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: And so we'll see you guys next week. Thanks, Alan,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: appreciate it.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Cheers