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Ep. 403: Rattling Bucks with Joe Rogan · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: to try to start off. How how was it getting
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  Speaker 1: your first um, your first wild hawk. Oh, it's fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: H it was fast. It was fast. It was unexpected
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  Speaker 1: because we headed out with the intent of Joe hunting
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  Speaker 1: Nil guy and you guys getting some white tail. And
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  Speaker 1: the first thing that we saw were a couple of pigs.
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  Speaker 1: And you're a lot, grab the riffle, let's go. So
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  Speaker 1: how far were we was from the road to the
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  Speaker 1: pigs couple hundred yards and you took off and I
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  Speaker 1: just followed you, and we're trying to get close enough
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  Speaker 1: to them and out of wind down wind, and then
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  Speaker 1: you said, we probably got to about a hundred yards.
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  Speaker 1: You set up those stick that stick tripod for me,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, you're making sure that I I saw the
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  Speaker 1: largest one in my sites, which was a black one.
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  Speaker 1: I think there was like a pink, two pinks. I
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  Speaker 1: think there were three, all white tand I didn't see
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  Speaker 1: a red tan. That's kind of a I mean a
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  Speaker 1: neutral color. I don't know. I thought lighter. It wasn't
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  Speaker 1: a pink one that we're scoping out. So's this larger
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  Speaker 1: black one, and it looked from that distance huge, because
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  Speaker 1: everything seems to look really really large when you're far
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  Speaker 1: away from it. But I think you maybe thought I
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  Speaker 1: was gonna take a little bit more time to set
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  Speaker 1: up because you were still talking to me, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: no, no no, no, like I'm going to shoot, and you're
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  Speaker 1: still talking to me. I'm like, I'm going to shoot.
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  Speaker 1: And then it was quartered away from me, and uh.
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  Speaker 1: I was a little shaky on the on the tripod,
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  Speaker 1: but I just I shot, and you know when you
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  Speaker 1: hear that, like, so I knew I hit it. Father
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  Speaker 1: described as hitting the pumpkin with a bat m. That
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  Speaker 1: was his noise for whenever he's telling how good, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: how good? He hits on with Uh. But I made
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  Speaker 1: a mistake and then I didn't continue to look through
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  Speaker 1: the scope. I raised my head and I didn't automatically
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  Speaker 1: rack another one. So for the future, I mean, that's
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  Speaker 1: just always something that I should remember when you shoot once,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just you know, because it might not be dead.
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  Speaker 1: And in this case, that pig wasn't dead and he
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  Speaker 1: ran off. I panicked a little bit. I couldn't get
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  Speaker 1: off another shot because I had did I had done
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  Speaker 1: made some little mistakes right after, and uh, we took
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  Speaker 1: off trying to find him, and you were preparing me
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  Speaker 1: for the fact that we really might not find him
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  Speaker 1: because he ran off. Kind of I knew that he
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  Speaker 1: was hit, but I didn't know how injured he really was. Um,
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  Speaker 1: and then we kind of got to the end. Uh
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  Speaker 1: we got to the start of the tree line, and
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  Speaker 1: like ten yards in there he was and that is it.
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  Speaker 1: But he wasn't. Yeah, well you were all tore up
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  Speaker 1: about it. But let me point this out to you.
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  Speaker 1: Had you had you shot and I had said, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we're just gonna wait ten minutes and then we'll go check. Right,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna learn him and laying there dead. It's just
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  Speaker 1: that you got over there quick enough to see what was.
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  Speaker 1: You witnessed what you have to do, which is always
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  Speaker 1: going to happen anyways of you just having to witness
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  Speaker 1: it happened, and he felt bad about it, but you
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  Speaker 1: would never You wouldn't have known if you hadn't have
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  Speaker 1: been there, Like it was mortally wounded and it died
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  Speaker 1: and it was maybe like ing it through the brain,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that's the that's the process. Yeah, it was
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  Speaker 1: just hard to see my little zodiac Chinese zodiac spirit animal.
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  Speaker 1: But you're gonna do a bunch of Chinese stuff with it.
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  Speaker 1: I would love to do some because you're not gonna
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  Speaker 1: do Jewish off with it. That's that's right. Here's how
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  Speaker 1: the rab. No. I would love to try to do
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of char shoe, which is like the
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  Speaker 1: roast roast pork. Unfortunately, oftentimes when you see it in restaurants, uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's got that horrible red food coloring die around, which
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  Speaker 1: I will not not do. Um, but just just salt peter,
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  Speaker 1: Is that what they're putting in there? No, it's red food. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's just like, yeah, I haven't thought about that too much. Yeah, Um,
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  Speaker 1: I actually I'll probably maybe I'll ask you, Jesse, or
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  Speaker 1: ask one of my Chinese chef friends the best way
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  Speaker 1: to do that, because I've ever I've never made something
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  Speaker 1: like that when you were gonna at home, Let's say
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  Speaker 1: you make ten meals. How many of them are sort
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  Speaker 1: of like somewhat informed by Chinese cooking? Um, probably a
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  Speaker 1: fair amount. Um. I wouldn't call me myself like great
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  Speaker 1: in the kitchen, but I grew up on just real
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  Speaker 1: simple stir fries that my mom, mads would always be
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  Speaker 1: steam rice. Um. There would always be some kind of vegetable,
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  Speaker 1: typically a Chinese vegetable stir fry, you know, onions, garlic,
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  Speaker 1: and either like a back choy or like nap a cabbage, um,
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  Speaker 1: any kind of Chinese leafy green or um like sauteid
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  Speaker 1: string beans. And then a protein, often pork or beef,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes chicken, but um my mom, and it's just like
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  Speaker 1: really that standard marinade of like soy Chinese cooking wine,
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of corn starch, uh, maybe a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of oyster sauce. Um, what am I forgetting? Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: maybe like a five spice powder in that some sesame
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  Speaker 1: oil and you just leave that for a short amount
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  Speaker 1: of time to a longer amount of time to overnight
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  Speaker 1: you know, um, and then just kind of like high
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  Speaker 1: heat and a walk. And that's what I ate almost
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  Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah. So the Chinese don't call Chinese
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  Speaker 1: five spice powder Chinese right, right, probably just called it
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  Speaker 1: five spice patter. Um. But yeah, so a fair amount
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  Speaker 1: of stuff that I cook at home is just like
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  Speaker 1: a is a stir fry. So the wild game that
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  Speaker 1: I have in the f in the freezers is not
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  Speaker 1: really ground. Like last year with my dear and this
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  Speaker 1: year with my dear, I didn't grind a bit of it, um,
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  Speaker 1: because I'll just do all the different cuts kind of
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  Speaker 1: in a stir fry, in a braise. I've got nothing
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  Speaker 1: against sausage and burger I love it, but I just
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  Speaker 1: I just don't really grind. And I it's not that
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  Speaker 1: Asian cooking doesn't incorporate like ground meat, but I just
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  Speaker 1: haven't haven't gone in that direction. Yeah. Also joined by
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  Speaker 1: Jesse Griffiths and uh, Mr Joe Rogan, Hi, what um,
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  Speaker 1: what are your impressions of of what are your impressions
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  Speaker 1: of of hanging out down here? Joe? This is my
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  Speaker 1: first time doing like a real Texas hunting ranch experience,
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  Speaker 1: because everybody tells you it's like I've been here, I've
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  Speaker 1: living here for two years and everyone's like, have you
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  Speaker 1: a hunted in Texas yet? Of here? So now I
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  Speaker 1: can finally say I have, and uh, it's very interesting.
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  Speaker 1: It's like seeing all these exotic animals and this enormous ranch.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's really cool. It's really cool. And uh, the
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  Speaker 1: coolest by far was the rattling in of the white tails.
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  Speaker 1: That's the coolest thing ever. That is the coolest thing ever.
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  Speaker 1: The way it works so well, it's it's bonkers, like
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  Speaker 1: I've I've never seen a thing works so well. Everything. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: don't you wish like all well, I guess of all
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  Speaker 1: game calling work like that all the time, there wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: be any game right, especially we had a rifle. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if you imagine if like ELK calling was that effective.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, watch, we're just gonna sit here. I saw
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  Speaker 1: an elk. We're just gonna sit here and make a
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  Speaker 1: noise and we're gonna come running. They come running for
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  Speaker 1: the folks who have never done this before. Steve was
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  Speaker 1: rattling and within fifteen seconds sometimes deer are coming in
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  Speaker 1: full clip. And the one deer, the biggest deer that
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  Speaker 1: we saw was at the end of the day on Tuesday.
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  Speaker 1: This guy comes running in in a full sprint and
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  Speaker 1: he was a big sucker. He saw you and he's
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  Speaker 1: like not today, and he came running out. So I
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  Speaker 1: had him at sixteen yards and I had no shot.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't get him a slow down. I was going map, map, map,
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  Speaker 1: It's like no, just like YouTube, just like every white
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  Speaker 1: till they get a shot on YouTube got well, every
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  Speaker 1: white teller get shot on YouTube that you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: usually understand and they're walking and and then that he's
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  Speaker 1: already like half paranoid ship, you know, and you just
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  Speaker 1: trying to slow him down. Uh for um. The first
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  Speaker 1: time I came down in this place was Jesse introduced
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  Speaker 1: Jesse's friends with the guy that owns the place, or shud,
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  Speaker 1: it's not fair to say, you know, Jesse's friends with
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  Speaker 1: a guy who's part of the family that owns the place.
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  Speaker 1: And we came down to we're doing some other Texas
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  Speaker 1: ship and came and wanted hunt Nil Guy. And there's
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  Speaker 1: an outfitter that works here. So he went out with
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  Speaker 1: one of the outfitters. Um until guy had a great time,
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  Speaker 1: and there was a lot of Nil Guy back then.
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  Speaker 1: But we were dicking around and then like like Janice
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  Speaker 1: had picked up a set of sheds or something or
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  Speaker 1: another and had on a couple of occasions just rattled
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  Speaker 1: off next to the truck and got some interest. And
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  Speaker 1: one time we were laughing because he was rattling. He
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  Speaker 1: rattled in the buck that already knew we were there,
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  Speaker 1: like the box, like, oh, there's some dudes in the
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  Speaker 1: truck and yeah, he rattled and he just starts coming
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  Speaker 1: a little ways, and then I got the idea, man,
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  Speaker 1: we gotta come back and try to rattle deer and eventually, uh,
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  Speaker 1: we're allowed to come back kind of you know, do
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  Speaker 1: our own thing a little bit. And came back and
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  Speaker 1: did it. But it wasn't like it is like I
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  Speaker 1: feel like it was the the I feel like there's
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  Speaker 1: no way it could be better, Like there's if there's
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  Speaker 1: a day in the year or two days in the year,
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna be like, how could it get better than
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  Speaker 1: it was? Right, we made a pack to come back
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  Speaker 1: last night, like this time, this time next year, this
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  Speaker 1: is the time. It's like, you know, you got that
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  Speaker 1: September what it's probably September sixt for like the elk Rut.
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  Speaker 1: There's like this time where everything just goes hey wire
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  Speaker 1: and if you are lucky and you're in the woods
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  Speaker 1: during that time, it gets nuts. And if I felt
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  Speaker 1: like December four, like whatever that day was like it
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  Speaker 1: was just lined up perfectly. We were we were setting
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  Speaker 1: up and having uh to three of them come Yeah
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  Speaker 1: once we did, had no idea where in the area.
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  Speaker 1: We're just storming in full balls running when I got
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  Speaker 1: that one buck, the first buck, and then that was
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  Speaker 1: the third buck that came in inside of five minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Like we we we decided to try again because the
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  Speaker 1: two bucks came in and one was real close and
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  Speaker 1: another big one came just running right past us, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: we were like, wow, I guess we blew these guys
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  Speaker 1: out of here. And we're like, well, let's just give
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  Speaker 1: it another couple of minutes, and then before you know what,
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  Speaker 1: another guy shows up. We kept it kept not working
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  Speaker 1: because it was working too good. Like you, you kind
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  Speaker 1: of think that his ass could come and like stop
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  Speaker 1: thirty forty yards out, but they don't stop till they're in. You.
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  Speaker 1: You almost have to be at full draw when you're
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  Speaker 1: done rattling. You almost have to like rattle for like
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  Speaker 1: thirty seconds and then go ahead and then just hold
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  Speaker 1: full draw, you know, like with like a modern boat
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  Speaker 1: you can kind of hold full draw for a couple
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  Speaker 1: of minutes. I think, if you're really gonna get serious
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  Speaker 1: about it would be like a eight seventy with buckshot. Yes, yes, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because there were so many times that they were coming
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  Speaker 1: in behind us, to the side of us, and we
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  Speaker 1: kept trying to game. It would be like, okay, well
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  Speaker 1: that one clearly wanted to be down wind, so you
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  Speaker 1: go down wind, and then he'd go down wind and
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  Speaker 1: I'd rattle and then people like in my face. And
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  Speaker 1: then the next one is whatever. Well, the one that
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  Speaker 1: we rattled in that was over near the lake, that
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  Speaker 1: was pretty wild because he was on the whole other
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  Speaker 1: side of that pond and he heard us and you
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  Speaker 1: just see running from hundreds of yards away and he
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  Speaker 1: did a full circle to get down wind of us,
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  Speaker 1: and it was pretty quick. And then he's like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't like it. And it's like the place gets hunted
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  Speaker 1: for sure, because there's an outfitter that has excluded like
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  Speaker 1: an exclusive for outfited stuff, and then the family has
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  Speaker 1: friends and people that hunted, but at no one hunts
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  Speaker 1: it like that because it's kind of like a Safari
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  Speaker 1: style hunting, no blinds, no feeders. Well, when we went out, Joe,
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  Speaker 1: so Joe was talking to one of the guides and weird.
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  Speaker 1: The question was basically, how many times have guys bow hunted?
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  Speaker 1: And he says never and she was like no, I
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  Speaker 1: mean like ever never, they never had. He had never had.
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  Speaker 1: The guy that guides had never had an archery client,
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  Speaker 1: so I think that like a wait, it's so it's
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  Speaker 1: it's not that it doesn't get hunted, because it gets hunted,
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  Speaker 1: but it doesn't get hunted like that. So I don't
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  Speaker 1: think they're hearing like here. I don't think they're hearing that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And also I think probably when the deer don't hear gunshots,
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  Speaker 1: maybe they stay a little more calm because like, no
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  Speaker 1: one's getting killed, because they probably associate boom with danger
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  Speaker 1: and death. But there's never a boom while we're here,
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  Speaker 1: so maybe they're like a little bit more relaxed. Yeah. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: the there's a guy, there's a cowboy out here that
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  Speaker 1: runs cattle. I don't know if you call him a cowboy.
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  Speaker 1: I guess you can call m a cowboy, the guy
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  Speaker 1: that runs cattle. He said, Uh. He had a good
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  Speaker 1: way of expressing it. He said, um, they're coming to horns.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was a good way of putting it,
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  Speaker 1: with ratling. They're coming to horns. It works. It's the
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  Speaker 1: most fun way to hunt ever. I think it is
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  Speaker 1: because it's so exciting, Like where are they coming from?
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  Speaker 1: They're running in? Yeah, I've never you know, I have
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  Speaker 1: never ever ever I've seen anything like that. I wonder
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  Speaker 1: if it's particular to this area. I think that that's
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  Speaker 1: that's a yeah, I think it is. I got a
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  Speaker 1: friend of South care I shouldn't even say this what
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  Speaker 1: stady listen because he does it, and he does it
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  Speaker 1: on public ground. South Carolina is a big place. I
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  Speaker 1: got a friend of South Carolina there. That's how they
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  Speaker 1: hunt man um. That's how they hunt deer. They climb
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  Speaker 1: up in a tree standing, they rattle, and they really
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  Speaker 1: consistently killed box on public land, rattling hard to hunt
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  Speaker 1: because in his view, up until this very moment, in
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  Speaker 1: his view, people aren't doing it. M in this area.
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  Speaker 1: He goes, Okay, He's like in he's in public swamp land.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, people aren't doing it. They probably just don't know.
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  Speaker 1: So deer are edgy, they're jumping, but they're not hearing that.
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  Speaker 1: And when they hear that, it means one thing to him.
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  Speaker 1: But I've no because you know, I've rattled in a
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  Speaker 1: couple of deer, Like in Montana, I rattled in a
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  Speaker 1: couple of deer after a lot of attempts. I know
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  Speaker 1: they're hearing it, and it could be that for whatever reason.
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  Speaker 1: It could be that they don't want to get killed
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  Speaker 1: and they're thinking that that they're always on their mind.
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  Speaker 1: Is like that which I wonder about that like associate
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  Speaker 1: that sound with danger or they don't give a ship.
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  Speaker 1: And that used to be the thing I used to
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  Speaker 1: think with elk calling, like anytime you couldn't call in
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  Speaker 1: an elk, I was like, he thinks it's people, you know,
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  Speaker 1: And Phelps He's like, I don't think he thinks. I
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  Speaker 1: think he's not interested. He's not interested. It's not that
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  Speaker 1: he's like there's a lot of time. Sure there might
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  Speaker 1: be times when he thinks it's people, but as a
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  Speaker 1: lot of times he's not gonna come anyway. And this
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  Speaker 1: book there's this book, The Tent Legion by Colonel Tom
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  Speaker 1: Kelly about turkeys, and he talks about that same thing.
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  Speaker 1: He always thought when you when Tom won't come, it's
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  Speaker 1: because he's afraid of getting killed and thinks it's a person.
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  Speaker 1: But then one day he described, I was watching it, Tom,
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  Speaker 1: He's watching a bunch of hens. He's watching the Tom
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  Speaker 1: cruising along, and the Hens are doing all the ship
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  Speaker 1: that he would do to try to call in the Tom.
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  Speaker 1: They're doing the calling they're doing everything. And he said
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  Speaker 1: the tom never gave a ship, never lifted its head up,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like it's real hands a real time, and
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  Speaker 1: some things just don't give a ship. So whatever it
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  Speaker 1: is with the age demographics, I don't know pressure, what's
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  Speaker 1: that pressure on deer here is minimal? Oh, because people
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  Speaker 1: are hunting the exotics, you know, That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: But like you remove, like whatever it does, they're not
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  Speaker 1: thinking they're gonna get killed. But I'm saying, even in
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  Speaker 1: the absence of the thought that you're gonna get killed,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: there's probably times when they don't hear two bucks fighting
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: and think they need to come running over because of
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: whatever ship. He's like, like, I don't really know what
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: goes into I don't know why they're so like why
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: these particular deer in this particular spot are fired up
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: about two bucks fighting. It's really interesting to see the
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: difference in the behavior of the animals when you look
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: at the animals that are hunted the most. There's all
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: these animals that are living together, but the animals that
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: are hunted the most are clearly the ones that behave
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: differently when they see people like the Neil guy for sure,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: the most spooky, they're the most spooky. The least spooky
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: is probably the Havelina. They're the least spookie. They're they're
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: like basically not interested in you for the most part.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: You're not going to pick them up. Yeah, you're not
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: gonna pick them up. But they're the least scared of you.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: And Neil guy, I just don't wanna have nothing to
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: do with you. They see you, they're like, this is it,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: We're out of here. And then the water buck are
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: like they're probably not hunted as much and they're a
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: lot more relaxed. When I told when I told our
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: friend here that we wanted to come down that Joe
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: wanted to uh get uh try to get a Neil
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: guy with a bow. Um, he right away was like
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: nervous about it's hard to do. And Yanni came down
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: and just spent time on his own doing it and
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: did it. But he had a bunch of days that
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: he put into it and killed one of the bow
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: and uh, we had a shorter period of time and
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Brad had said listen, uh if need be, I'll have
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: one of the guides that that that does bring clients
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: out to God. I'll have him come out and show
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: you guys what's up. And after we even spent one day,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: know when we just had a couple of days to hunt,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: we spent one day. Uh, I was kind of like,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know, man, like other than just sort of
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: want other than just sort of wandering around waiting for
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: some kind of like weird opportunity present itself. I was
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: a little bit I was kind of at a loss.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I could be like, yeah, I can see, man, if
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: you at a week and you're just out for a week,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: something's gonna happen. But I couldn't think of how to deliberately,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: how to sort of deliberately make it happen, being like
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: with the deer, like I'll deliberately make it happen by rattling.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: But the nail guy is like, I don't know, I
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: don't know enough about him to know how you deliberately
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: be like we're gonna go out and try to get
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: a shot, other than we're just gonna kind of stumble
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: around and see if a crazy opportunity presents itself. So
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: we had the guy come, um, what did you what
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: would your take on his his attitude about it, his
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: approach about it. Well, first of all, he said he
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: was wearing a black shirt, and he was wearing a
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: black shirt on purpose. He was like, the reason why
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: I dressed like this is because when they see me
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: with the black cowboy hat and a black shirt, like,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: they might think that I'm a Neil guy. And if
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I wolf at him like, they might come towards me.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: And it was so interesting because you at one point
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: said to me, what noises do they make? And I said,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know about any. I'm not saying there aren't any.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know about any noises. Yeah, I didn't know that. Whoa, Well,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: that's what he was doing. And one of the stopped
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: and there was one bull and maybe about eight or
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: nine cows and he We crawled about a hundred and
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: thirty hundred and forty yards to get to this area
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: that was like before the clearing. So we got into
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: this one area that was like sparsely treed, and then
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: we crawled through that area where we're kind of out
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: in the open but not really and to get to
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: this field that's completely open. It was dry, like a
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: dried up late that grew up, and the closest we
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: could get was about a hundred and ten yards, and
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: so we were hoping that they would come around, and
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: the closest one of the cows came around was probably
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: like ninety yards somewhere around then. And so then we
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: were trying to debate how to handle this, and so
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: he said, you know what, this is not gonna work
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: because the cow, the cows, and the bull seemed to
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: be moved being in a general direction of away from us.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: They weren't awhere. We were there. It took a long
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: time to crawl there. So he says, let's just get up.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: We'll go back and then they'll know that we're there.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: And then I'm going to wolf at him through the trees.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna follow him through the tree line and
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: wolf at him. And he followed him through the tree line,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: and this one lone bull hit me with the noise
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: he makes. Who that's what he was doing. It was
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: like he was like wolfing, almost like a dog before
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: he starts. You know, they're like dogs in your house,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: like his warm up, his warm up mark, like your
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: dog woke up in your bedroom and he kind of
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: hears something different. Yeah, my dogs used to do that
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: when they would hear coyote in the distance, but hey, man,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: shut the funk up. So when uh so, when he
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: wolfed they started, he was paying attention, he was moving
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: towards He goes man, he goes to give this guy
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: another week or two, and he would come charged at us,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: like what's up. When he said, I didn't know that
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: that was a Yeah, it's a thing. It's a thing.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: So we uh we we settled with stalking and ambushing.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: So like the whole thing was just like get it,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: finding them that they didn't know you were there, and
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: then slowly creeping around edges without them noticing you and
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: get to a place where and eventually the way I
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: got the Neil guy was he spotted this group of
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: bulls and um they were there, were with these turkeys,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: and they were around the edge of this corner, but
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: only about like a hundred yards around the edge, and
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I was like, that's so close. We could just get
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: to that corner. I think we could sneak up close
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: enough to get a shot. And so we did that
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: and we got about ninety yards away, and then we
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: went into the woods and then we got I got
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: to about maybe like seventy or eighty and then I
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: cree real slowly the rest of the way, But it
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: was just very fortunate because the bull had his butt
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: to me completely had no idea I was there. The
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: turkeys knew, and they started they started like what what's happening?
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: What's going on? They were like moving around a little bit,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: and I was like, these bitches better not give me
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: up because I was slowly creeping up to him. And
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: then look at It was really exciting to hear. For you,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: those moments, the spotting stock moments are so exciting because
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: like when the animal turns and goes broadside and you're like, whoa,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: now is the time It's like this is like who who.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: It's like your heart starts beating and your adrenaline starts
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: kicking and you're like, okay, keep it together, keep it together.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I should point out real quick, uh that when I
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: brought up the bow hunt Vanila guy, there's like a
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: second complication is uh, we'll get into this, but there's
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: the first complication that our friend was that it's hard
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: to get close to him. You know, it's just hard.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: The second thing is is there uh. I don't want
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: to say it's regarded as a no note to try
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: to get one of the bowl. But like anyone that's
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: a familiar with Nil guy, when you talk about with
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: the bowl, they're kind of like, yeah, I don't know,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: because you know, they can really take a hit and
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: they want to run. They don't want to bleed. And
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: what what's the hell is the word they used for
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: the brush patches? Here? Man? It's not like mot what's
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: the word mott? No, it's not what Brad? Yeah, what
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: the hell is that? Uh? Like a brush patch kind
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: of maybe a little elevation and he calls it the month?
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: They like any like the brushy areas? Yeah, yeah, you
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: got your senderos, senderos and months, Yeah, the roads and
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: if it's not a Sindero, it might be what's the
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: giant opening at an opening? Oh, the the plan Grande?
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: What the hell's that? That means the great plane? Okay?
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: And then everything else is the the brush, the month,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: the Yeah. The fear is that you're gonna hit the
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: nil guy in his his ask is gonna run into
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: this brush, which is this serious brush. And that's exactly
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: what happened. When I was explaining to you how thick
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: that brush is. My kid chased the turkey into that brush,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: and the turkey got snagged up at the brush and
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: couldn't fly away. They got a turkey got tangled up
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: in the brush. That's crazy, some thick ass brush. So
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: you're you're trying to hit one, and there's a lot
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: of like, it's not like, it's not that you're gonna
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: wing it and assume you'll find it. No, No, there was.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: It was fraught with peril. When it wound up working
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: out well, I said to you at the end of
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: the night, when I was very relieved that we got
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: the nil guy, I was like, I think I might
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: be one and done with bo hunt and nil guy.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I'm stressful. I think you want to hit these suckers
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: with a rifle. Because Jason was to tell me then
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: when he hits one, Jason, great guy. I love him.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: So Jason was saying that when he has a client,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: he'll have one in the chamber so and then the
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: client hits it, and he'll hit him after the client
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: hits it. Gun hunt, gun hunt, that's super common. I've
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: I've watched it. I've actually watched it in this pasture.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: He didn't tell me that until we were trying to
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: find blood and there was no, by the ways, and
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: when I hit the I've you know, I've seen animals
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: run when you hit him before. I have never seen
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: an animal run like this said, it was like a cheetah.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Like a cheetah, That's what it's like. It was full clip.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: I mean they live in Asia, right, So what what
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: part of Asia? And what kills them? Lions? No? No, no, no,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: what am I saying? Tigers from the Indian subcontinent in there?
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: In there? Uh? Their historic predator is the the tiger.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: That makes sense. So they're like you've hunted, Access, dear.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: They are preposterously fast. I've never seen a thing move
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: as fast as nothing like they're used to deal then
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: cat exactly. I had an arrow. I have a video
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: of me bow hunting on the nie and I shot this.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: This one Access tore this. He was pretty big. Deer
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: was feeding at eighty yards away and there was no wind,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: and it was like perfect conditions, and I really didn't
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: think I'd get closer to him, and I was feeling
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: good about the shot. It was very relaxed. So I
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: launched this arrow. This arrow is track and perfectly towards
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: the vitals, and John Dudley gets it on videos. So
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: he's filming this whole thing while it's happening, and we're like,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: this is gonna be the greatest shot of all time
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: because it's like a perfect shot. And then ten yards
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: from this access dear, the arrow is ten yards away.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: He's like not today and ducks and he's completely out
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: of the frame by the time the arrow gets to him.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: And I'm not exaggerating, you match, so you're talking about
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: he's singing to himself in a couple of seconds, I'm
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: gonna move because of this arrows like, oh jeesus, assholes
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: shooting at me again. So I mean it's two hundred
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: and you know whatever, two d seventy feet a second.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: This arrow is coming at him and from ten yards away,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: he's like see uh in that quick a time. And
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: that's all because they evolve around tigers. Do you hear that?
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Do you ever hear that deal about I want to
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: get back to everything with the nil guy, But you
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: ever hear that explanation? And I've talked about it before
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: of like how how things experienced time being that when
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: you go to smack a fly in your mind, you're
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: like you're cocked back, you know, you're like a tiger. Right,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: You're like what, But in the fly, in his mind,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: he might be like, oh, what is this thing coming
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: towards me? Right right right, I'm probably gonna need to
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: move out of the way. Oh yeah, it's coming. Well,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: he's only a weak flies only alive for a week,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: so it might be that he might experience that week
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: like you do your eighty years. Yeah. Yeah, like there's that,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: There was that, There was that one day where that
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: hand was coming down. Oh boy, let me get out
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: of the way. He experienced He relished it like a
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: roller coaster. Yeah, enjoyed it. He's like I sometimes like
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: to wait till it's really close. You know what always
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: freaks me out about flies is how quickly they find
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: a dead animal. It is so fast, like when when
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: when an animals down, especially when there's a gut pile.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: It is instantaneous, like hundreds of flies out of nowhere,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Like where were you? Guys? Don't even It wasn't like
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: you were following me around. I didn't notice. It was
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: like a fly infested area. It didn't seem like very flying.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, there's flies everywhere, so
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: you creep. So I'm creeping up on this Neil guy.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't the best situation because I've had a problem.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: I have this, uh, this bow site that I really
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: like for a lot of good reasons. It's a garment, uh,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: and it's a it's a range finding bow site. And
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: what's interesting about it is instead of having a range
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: finder and a site, it's all built into one. And uh,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: you you at full draw. There's a button on my riser.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: I hit the button and a dot goes onto the
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: animal and then it shows me a pin. Well, yeah,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: the dot it doesn't project to me. It doesn't projective.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: There's a lens, so you're looking through lens just like
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: you're looking through like a traditional range finder, but it's
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: it's like the size of a bow site lens. It's
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: much larger, you know, like a like a the best
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: way to describe it, like a small sunglass lens, Like
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: if you had a sunglass and you're looking through that
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: and when you press a button, it gives you a dot,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: just like a range finder gives you a dot where
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: you know you're you're pointing it at the area you
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: want to hit, and then it gives you a number.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: It's got a little screen above it. It'll say like
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: fifty three in this case, it was fifty three yards,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: and then it shows you a pin. Well, in this
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: it's it's been fucking up lately, and I I hit
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: the button and it ranges. It's just fifty three yards
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: but no pin, and I'm at full draw ranges. So
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: you know, the moment when an animal turns broadside, you're
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: trying to stay calm because you know this whole process
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: of creeping up on him takes like twenty minutes or so.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: So during that time, your your whole you're like trying
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: to keep your heart right down and breathing and just
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: like slow and steady. And when I get the shot,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay like this nice and calm. And so
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: then is it trying to give you It's not trying
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: to make a judgment. It's not giving me sh It
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: is that like two times in a row. This has
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: happened before, and it's not normal, but it's happened before
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: on targets where I pressed the button and nothing happens,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: and I pressed the button and so I had to
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: press it three times and finally gives me a pin.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, here we go. So I'm at
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: full draw for a few seconds, and this is a
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: very heavy boat. It's a ninety pound bow. So it's
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: okay because there's a lot of let off, but you know,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm thinking now, like, jeez, how long can I
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: hold this here? Like? How long is this gonna let
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have to let down? All these thoughts
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: in my mind, and then finally I get the pin.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, here we go. Can you hold it
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: there for a second? Yes? Why um, you shoot a
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: ninety pound bow? Why? I think I've always wondered, is
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: skinny ask guys like me, guys that could beat my
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: ass in the fight? Why do so many people in
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: your view hover at around like seventy pound drawways? Well,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: seventy pounds drawways comfortable to pull and if you don't
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: lift weights, and if you're not a physically strong person,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: that's achievable. It's like you you can get there. I'm skinny,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: ask guy that lifts weights. But I feel, like I said,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: like people that could beat my ass, they're also shooting
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: a seventy poundbo which is it wasn't common like it
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: was like through my whole life it wasn't common to
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: hear someone pulling a ninety poundbo It's not common now
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: is more common. I was just watch a video about
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: this is that they were doing reviews on eighty pound
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: bows and uh, the reason why I switched to a
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: nineties just because Cam did. Cam Haynes switched to a
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: ninety and he had White made him a ninety, and
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'll try it. Let me try that ninety
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: and it. I had a PSC that was last year
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: and it was just too much. It was John Dudley
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: tried to make the most ridiculous bow for me, you know,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: because he works with PSC. So he made a PSC
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: pound bow with a very short brace hite and if
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: you were accurate, it was ridiculous. But it was not
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: forgiving at all because the brace site was very short.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: And for for people who don't know, the brace side
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: is the distance between the riser and the string, And
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: if you have a good brace hide, like like seven inches,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: that's like more forgiving than five inches. And this was
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: more like five inches. And but it would shoot a
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: five hundred and thirty grain arrow three feet a second,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: which is really crazy, really fast, and the impact like
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: the kinetic energy is incredible, like and you saw yesterday
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: with that nil guy, I mean total passed through. From
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: looking at the animal, Uh, it was it was a
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: quartering away. I hit it through the ribs, went through
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: its entire body and out the front shoulder, full clean
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: pass through and then the arrow was like thirty yards
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: away when we found it. So we found the arrow cold.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: When when I found the arl, I was pretty confident
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: and I was like that arrow is just soaked with
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: blood that and I was pretty confident in the hit,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: but I was not confident when I saw that sucker run.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: When I hit him, I was like whack. I'm like
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: that looks good. And watching them run, I was like,
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: oh no, like it's going so fast. It was going
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: so fast. It was crazy full clip like I mean
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know how many miles an hour, but he
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: looked like it was going a hundred. It was just ridiculous.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: And it was like then when they are running, yeah,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: it's so I don't want to say it's extra terrestrially. Yeah,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: it's like you kept saying, it's like some ship from Avatar.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: He didn't like a big there, like I don't know
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: what the hell. I like a like a a short
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: necked draft, a more athletic draft. Yeah, it didn't seem
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: like you should be able to run that fast if
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: he got hit good, because if you hit an elk good,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: like they get what like the arrow it hits some
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: they'll buck up and then they'll run off. But you
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: could tell their hurt. I could not tell at all
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: that he was hurt, like it made him healthier. It
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: was like it's super charged him, like their will to
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: live is insane, and it must be because they evolve
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: around tigers. It has to be. So this sucker full
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: clip runs off and all I could do is just
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: sort of watch where he was going. And I was
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: hoping that was gonna see signs of stumble and then
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: fall down because it was you know, he ran. Uh
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: would you say it's about a hundred and thirty yards
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: to where like I did a line distance on on accident?
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Was line distance a hundred and thirty? You know, he
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: didn't take a securitist route to get there. It's kind
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: of what you know, a slight arc. Yeah. So and
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: when I saw the arc, we saw the arc, and
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: then we started gritting, We started trying to figure out
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: where he was me and Kran had that sh all wrong.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: We're far off, yeah, but I was like, man, it'll
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: be three in the morning, but we're gonna cover this
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: entire By the time we're done, we'll haven't covered everything.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: I turned a track function on and I was telling Crane, okay,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: now move over twenty yards or whatever the hell was
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: when to come back. And it would have been about
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: three in the morning. We got over to where he
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: gets where well Jason had We had looked and he
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: had an application on his phone that showed a grid
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: of like it's the track track function. I can't remember
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: what app he was using. So there was just one
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: small area where he realized we didn't look earlier, and
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: he went and looked there and he was just lying
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: right there. But you know about that dude, Like he's
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: good because I don't know if you noticed too when
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: when I got the deer, I got a deer, and
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I was kind of a little nervous. I was like,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: there's no blood, but I mean I saw the it
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: was coming on. I saw the broadhead and the arrow
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: coming off of his back hip like it ran the
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: entire length of but there's no blood. And I'm like
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: questioning what I saw, and I said to this guy,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: this is the guide the guides out here. I said
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: to him, I'm like, man, he kind of went like
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: and I showed like where he went, and it was
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: like he wasn't listening to me. He swings way left
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: and goes here it is, yeah, Like I was like, what, Like,
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: what possibly were you going on? You aren't even here.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: He was asking you, though, Did hear what he was
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: asking you? He was asking you what side you hit
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: it on. He's like, if you hit it on the
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: right side, it's gonna go towards the left. That's the
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: one thing he said. He was right. I show him
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: where it went in. I was like kind of like front,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: like kind of strong quartering towards me in the front shoulders.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: So he just strikes off that way and almost like
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: like magnetically drawn to it, like right there. Yeah, I
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: mean he's It's guides are interesting because you spend that
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: much time just constantly around these animals. I think you
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: get a sense of them that I just don't have.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: He's he does like he has a regular job. Yeah,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: he finished concrete. He has a concrete business. I think
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: he goes, oh, it's just my part time dealing Like, well,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: how much eighty guys a year. I'm like, okay, well
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: that's that's that's a lot of that's a lot of.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: He loves it though. He loved the sneaking in on him,
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: like he got all excited about it. It was was fun.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: It was interesting that he when he got here and
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: I was here, I was really curious to hang out
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: with him. I'm like, you know, I'm like, I don't
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: know the first thing about Neil guy. I've done it
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: a couple of times with a rifle, which is totally
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: different experience because he's basically go out, look for one
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: and shoot it and that's how that goes. Uh So
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: I was really curious to see, like how could one
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: consistently get up close on him. But it's funny is
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: he didn't jump out of his truck to be like,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: here's why I have a black shirt and a black
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: cowboy hat on right, I just good man and black.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Johnny cash fan doesn't come out and I was like, like,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: you might be wondering why. Now here's a cool guy,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: fun guy to talk to. All the minute I met him,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I talking to a couple of sackers. I went until John.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: I'm like, this guy is cool, it'll be fun. You
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: always you always nervous. It was real fun. And you
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: know when we're going around the corner, when I was
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: creeping up on the nil guy, uh he laid back
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: to He's like yeah, I was like slow it down.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: It was like, this is just better if it's just
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: one of us, because like you know, the turkeys and
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: all this ship. I'm like so so he just hung back.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Was he giving you a bunch of input on do
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: this and don't do that when it comes time to
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: shoot it. No, No, he told me where their organs are,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: but I had already knew that. I had done a
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: bunch of research online. There they are. All their stuff
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: is closer to the front than um than um like
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: an elk or a deer, which is interesting. They're they're
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: built differently. Yeah. Yeah, so he told me that, but
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: I had already I was already aware of that. But uh,
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: I think I really do think on one and done
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: with bo hunting them. Watching the way he ran off,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: like you just that I hit him perfect. It was
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: a great show, not a back of blood nothing. And
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: and even when we got up to it, you probably
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: noticed this we got up to it. The in hole.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: There's an in hole and there's an out hole. There's
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: no blood stain on its body. Yeah, it wasn't until
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: we were we rolled it up. It wasn't until we
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: rolled it up that and then by that point it
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: had been dead for forty minutes. Wasn't ntil we rolled
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: it up that some blood trickled out and there was
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: clean It looked like someone had washed it. It's crazy.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: It was just a little bit of dribble. It was
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: coming out of the hole, but a little bubble, but
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: none of it was on the ground. Zero on the ground.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: And you gotta also think about that arrow that we found.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: So we find this arrow. It blows through his body,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: so he's quartering away. It hits his ribs, goes through
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: the entire this large body, cavity goes through the entire body,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: cavity out the front shoulder, goes thirty yards past his body.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Nothing sprays out, nothing, zero, no, and the the arrow
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: is soaked with blood. Not thing comes out of his body.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: I was like, what a strange animal like, this is
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: so strange. But the sheer panic that I had when
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: I've seen him run that way, I was like, oh no,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: and I was It was almost like it's playing tricks
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: in me, like maybe I didn't hit him good, like
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: maybe I hit him bad, maybe I hit his foot
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: or maybe, you know, maybe maybe I'm delusional like I
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: thought it was. I had the pen right where I
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: wanted to. My arm was steady, the release was good.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: I hear swack when he hits his body, and like
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: I got oh no. That was like literally the thought
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: process like I got him. I didn't even finish got
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: him because I got oh my god, look at that
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: sucker go PM just full clip and then he just
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: ran until he was gone. It was both of his
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: lung so he uh, he just expired from a lack
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: of air within a hundred thirty yards. So he probably
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: covered that hundred thirty yards in ten seconds too. Yeah,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: that's that's the funny thing about when you're when you
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: do get into a bad situation, you're trailing something, you
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: lose sight of, um, what it took to cover the
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: distance versus what it took you to cover the distance.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: So if you have a really bad blood trail and
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: you find it a little speck and a little speck
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: in a while later, you know you're into it. Forty
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: five minutes, you haven't started circling X. You don't want
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: to mess up, you don't want to stamp out any
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: blood because you want to keep the trail intact. And
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: you know, forty five minutes later, you realize you're a
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: hundred yards away, and you're like, I don't it seems
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: like you're on this journey. What do you think about
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: your mind? That was seconds seconds, seconds, so it didn't
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: bleed for seconds. Yeah, but you're making all these you know,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: all this wild ideas about what's going to happen on
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: down the blood trail or whatever. You know. I remember,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: like being a real little kid man in a like
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: my dad would go hunt, or my brothers, or when
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: I got older, I would go to when I once
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: I turned twelve and goold bow hunt, just going on many, many, many,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: many blood trails, and it'd be like someone had hit
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: a deer. Everybody come home, you'd eat dinner, You get
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: the Coleman lanterns out and ship and spend an hour
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: trying to get those things going, get all the lanterns
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: and walk out on the blood trail, and it'd either
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: be that everybody look and they couldn't find any blood,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: and you get the sinking feeling like two, we're gonna
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: be here ntil two in the morning on the fall
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: asleep out in the woods. This is miserable, or it'd
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: be like someone went through the woods of the spray
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: can of red paint and it'll just be euphoria. And
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: I still carry with me so much to that, like
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: when it's when you can't find blood, you're like, it
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: ran right through here and you can't find blood. I
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: still can never shake that just sinking feeling. Yeah, that
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: was how I felt. But on the flip side, when
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: we got back to the house after we found him,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: we got back to the house, it was the greatest
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: feeling in the world. It was like, I'm so relaxed
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: because I don't have that dread of like not being
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: able to find this animal. And the worst case scenario
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: would be you find him, like you ran four or
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: five yards, but now the meat is no good. Now
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: he's just dead for no reason. It's hot ash and
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: it's it's like you don't have you can't even joke,
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: like even in cold weather, you're kind of like with
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: the elk, will go find him in the morning. You're
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: kind of bullshitting yourself because a lot of it will
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: be good, but you're you're gonna lose a lot. You're
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: gonna you know, like even if it's fifty degrees you
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: can go find in the morning, like it's something it's
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: there's gonna be parts that are gonna be not there's
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: parts that are probably gonna spoil um. But here you
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: wouldn't even be able to kid yourself. Yeah, you wouldn't
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: kid yourself. Turkey buzzards and coyotes and just whatever. If
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: we found him in the morning, it would be a mess,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: would be a bloated pile. Yeah, it would be horrible.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: I mean it was like it's probably eighty degrees yesterday, right,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: But hey, can you tell the story about the guy?
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Are you allowed to tell that story about the guys
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: that killed the havelna's for for ships and giggles? Oh
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah. So there in Texas you can kill to
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: ha alina's a year and there's no tags or anything,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: and there they are a game animal. And so because
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: they're a game animal, there's waste of meat their native wildlife. Yeah,
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: you have to retain the meat. And this is anecdotal,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: but I heard this story. I might I think I
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: read it, maybe even like maybe it was on the
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: game warden blotter or something like maybe I dreamed it. Yeah,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: at this point I'm completely mistrusting it now that i'm
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: that's a great story. I like it, and if it's
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: not true, I think it should. I think a game
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: warden should keep this one in his back pocket. It's
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: a fable at least, it's you know, it's cautionary tale
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: about going out and shooting a bunch of havelinas and
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: dragging them to the gut pile, which is game warden
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: checked on some hunters and ask if they shot anything,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, we' just got some havolina's. I'm
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: putting words in their mouths right now. Uh. And he's like, well,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: where's the meat and they're like, oh, we didn't, we
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: didn't take any. We just drug him out to the
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: gut pile. And it was, you know, two or three
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: days it transpired. And he's like, no, they're that's game animal.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: You have to harvest the meat from him. And he
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: made them go after the fact, out to the gut
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: polling quarter. These uh, rotten swollen I'd like it only
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: the thing that would make the story better is if
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: you grabbed him by the ear, took him by the
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: ear and dragged him out. I really want to know
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: what it tastes like. Yeah, you can make a taste
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: like meat by depending you know, trees or whatever. Yeah.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: I think that's what I'm gonna do. Get theresa made
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: with it. So if you don't, if you say you
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: want to, if you you don't, you wouldn't hunt nil
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: guy again. Okay, that's all is gonna ask you. How
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: how um how not interested in gun hunting already? I
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: did like the archery stuff so much. I don't not
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: like gun hunting. I do like gun hunting. Yeah, I
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: like both. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean one of the
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: things that people don't want to admit people that are
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: archery hunting enthusiasts is that it's not the best way
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: to hunt. It's like, the most ethical way to hunt
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: really is with a rifle. Like if you're counting black,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: if you're counting like greatest likelihood of the quickest death, yes,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: like I had uh Like I hunted to Hone Ranch
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: last year and I had a really lucky first day.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: I was with Evan Hafer, and Evan shot a nailk
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: on the first day, and I shot at nilk on
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: the first day, and uh, I was supposed to be
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: there for six days, so uh they had pig tags
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: that were available, so it's like, all right, let's go
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: do some pig hunting. And they're like, you want to
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: do rifle or bow? And I said, you know what,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: let's go. Let's go rifle. Let's go for fun. And
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: I shot a pig at eight yards and he died
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: where he stood. Boom, it went through him. He just
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: fell over dead, smoke coming out of his mouth, and
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: and I thought to myself, I go, this is so
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: much more effective. Like if I shot that that pig
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: with a with a bow, he would have taken off
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: and it would have probably been you know, we have
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: to go find him, and you're going under because in
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: uh a lot of these ranches, you know where the
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: pigs will live as you have like heavy bush and
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: they get into the bushes, and so he probably would
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: have went in there and I probably would have had
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: to crawl in and drag him out, and then I
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: probably would have hoped that he was dead while I
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: was doing this. And tunnels, yeah, like equation, but you know,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: like in Vietnam when he had to take a pistol
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: and flashlight and going to those tunnels us not in
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: any way saying the same thing, but I seen hog tunnels,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: which you're like, oh god, yeah, and usually not want
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: to get one on one with a hog with a knife.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Oh it was a good bore too. I mean he
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: had good tusks and he was a big sucker. Um.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: I'm not opposed to rifle hunting as a matter of fact,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Like if if it got to a situation where I
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: was so busy that I didn't never that's not true
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: that it's never gonna happen. It was would never be
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: a situation where I never have enough time to go
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: on like real long hunts. I'll make sure at this
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: point in my life because just because I enjoy it
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: too much, and it's it's such a break for me.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: It's such a like a cleansing of all the other
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: stuff on my mind, you know, when like say, when
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: you and I were there, you're rattling and I got
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: an arrow knocked, and my head's on a swivel. I'm
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: not thinking about jack shit, no anything other than what's
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: going on. Um. But I think rifle hunting is more.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: It's more effect div, it's probably more humane, you know. Uh,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: it's it's just there's a reason why they invented guns.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: They're better than bows. But in terms of satisfaction, the
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: animals that I've killed with my bow are the most.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: They're hard. It's harder to do. It's just much harder
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: to do. Like that fifty three yard shot that I
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: hit that nil guard with, that's easy with a rifle.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: I could do that off hand with a rifle, no problem, confident.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: But with a bow, it's like, you know, there's so
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: much going on. I'm gotta to be steady, breathe out,
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: don't rush the shot, pull through it, the shot breaks.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Everything was perfect. But everything was perfect because of hundreds
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: and hundreds and hundreds of hours of practice. If you
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: gave me a rifle, I haven't shot a rifle in
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: a year. If you gave me a rifle right now,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: I'm a hundred percent confident I could shoot a nil
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: guy at fifty three yards off hand. Yeah, I hope. So. Yeah,
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: it's like it's it's a better weapon. But I think
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: that people confuse when people talk about ethics, are oftentimes
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: confusing two things there's there people be like, well, I
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: like to hunt with the books. It's more ethical. It'd
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: be like, it's more challenging, challenging, it's more challenging. So
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: that's great, But that's not you assessing um, that's not
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: you assessing in in in weighing. However, one chooses the
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: way animal like the welfare and well being likelihood of injuring. Yeah,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: I meaning if you really want to get down to like,
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: like to take a commercial slaughter plant, how do they
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: when they're like, hey, we want quick death, we're gonna
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: be ethical, what are they gonna do. They're not gonna
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: shoot with the bowl. They're gonna take a pneumatic bolt
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: and punch of I don't want is a three quarter
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: diameter stainless steel rod all the way through its brain. Yeah,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: And they'd be like, that's humane. Yeah, I thought archery
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: hunt was humane, Like archie hunt's hard. Yeah, it's sorry.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: There's a there's a restaurant in Austin and they serve
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of wild game meat in a lot of
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: antelope and stuff like that, and this guy was telling
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: me that one of the things that they do is
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: they they hire snipers and that these snipers shoot these
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: animals in the brain. They shoot him in the head,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: and uh, they're like, and Jesse, you could tell me
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: about this. How much does it affect the flavor if
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: an animal is stressed out, Like if an animal gets
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: hit and runs and has that adrenaline rush. How much
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: of an impact does that have on the taste of
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: the meat. It can be huge. Um, I mean I
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: think for that reason. You know, there's I mean, a
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: rifle shot has a more likelihood of bringing it down
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: immediately in the case of a big bore or any
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: animal like that. You're the larger the animal, the more
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: likely it is it's gonna run. Um, you know, even
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: debilitating shot from a rifle. But I think stresses, along
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: with just any kind of bacterial contamination, stress is going
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: to be one of the contributing, main contributing factors to
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: having it tastes stronger. Um. You could like different textures
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: in the meat, you know, the lactic acid build up,
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: stuff like that. And anecdotally, Um, you know, I've I've
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: seen hogs shot versus caught in a snare, identical hogs.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: I might have even told this story on your podcast. Uh,
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: and how well the one that was caught in the
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: snare was inedible, and they were There was two styles,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: probably about eighty pounds each. They could have come out
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: of the same litter. One dropped with a spine shot
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: and one was so exhausted when we came up to
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: her she was in a snare that she couldn't even
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: stand up when we walked up there. Uh and and
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: that one was one of the worst tasting pigs I've
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: ever I've ever seen. And so I mean, I can
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a lot of data right there.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: It's totally anecdotal. Plus like I got a couple of
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: things that like to add and I don't want to
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: in any way discredit your explanation. And you didn't say
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: anything that's inaccurate. But we have twice. Who's that dude
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: we had on from Purdue Chris Calkins. Was he Calkins
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: or Caulkins? I can never call because we got one
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: that works for us, same damn name, But they're like
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: insistent that they on that. I think it's whatever the
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: hell Calkins Caulkins the same spelling as the other guy
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: we hang out with the likes it the other way.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: So Calkins or Caulkins. Is it Chris it is? He's
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: a meat scientists. He's just a meat scientists from Purdue University.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: He's come on the podcast twice to explain. He did
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: a great job. Like all that ship like, okay, what
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: is when something stressed? What is it that we're talking about?
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: All the ship with rigor mortists, like all the ship
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: with temperature after death, all the ship with hang time,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: hang position, um, Like why do you hang it upside down?
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: Why hang it by its neck versus by it's hot X?
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: What happens when you bone meet out? What you're not
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: allowing to happen when you bone it out warm and
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: it hasn't gone through rigor on the tendon? And a
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: lot of shit about stress, like what exactly chemically is
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: happening to an animal that's stressed. He does a great
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: job explain. I mean it's this whole subject to research
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: his whole career and um like slaughterhouse practices and all
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: that kind of ship. He does a great job on it.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: The snaring hogs. I have a half dozen hogs snares
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: that I've had that I've owned for over a decade,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: dying to use them. Um, have never used him. I
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: had a guy that that is a wildlife control guy
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: in Hawaii that does pig removal. He said, the number
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: one problem with using snares for hog removal is that
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: people think they want the hogs gone until they got
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: to listen to a hall are gonna snare all night.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: Then they'd lose their interest in having the hogs be gone.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: So that you're talking about stress, it'll have people be like,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: never mind, get the snares out of here. I can't
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: handle it. Wow all night? Yeah, I can imagine. You know,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: we get I mean at the restaurant, we serve ferrell
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: hog that's been inspected. So that hog was caught in
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: a big trap. So they went in the trap. It
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: was having a treat and then then the gates drop
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: and so that's it. That's a big stressor right there.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: And you've ever seen the videos, they go nuts. They're
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: trying to get out any which way. Okay, they're stressed out. Okay,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: Now a trailer is gonna back up, a monster is
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: gonna pull up, you know, a diesel monster with the
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: trailer is going to back up. And now all these
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: hogs get escorted, you know, like on you know, like
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: prodded by little monsters that get out and make them
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: get up there for their first car ride, their first
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: car ride down the highway, down the highway. That stress. Okay,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: so the world or you know there, it's just like
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: a world. It's it's a it's a trip into outer
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: space for them. They're going down the highway and then
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: they get to their destination and what does that smell like?
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: It smells like death and they get put in this
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: holding pen for however long it is before feral hog
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: processing day, which at our processor I believe is every
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: It's either every week or every other week, so they
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: might be in there for for a while. Um. But
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: the thing is is that these hogs never tastes uh
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: like with within the attributes that you would assume that
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: a large amount of stress would would give them. They're
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: fine at that point. So maybe there's some sort of
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: plateau that happens where they're gender, they're they're acutely stressed,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: and then they're generally well, isn't it a different thing
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: you're talking about. You're talking about not just stress with
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: that snared hawk, you're talking about lactic acid. Yeah, the
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: physical struggle is probably very different than just a psychological stress,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: but the adrenaline stress versus lactic acid. I would imagine
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: when you're fatigued to death, like literally, like you can't
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: move when you know that people are coming to get you,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: that's probably just an enormous amount of lactic acid through
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: the system. I gotta I got a question for you, Jesse.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: We get a lot of people right in who are
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: confused by what they censor. These big, big contradictions in
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: wildlife management, particularly around the sale of wildlife parts. Okay,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: a couple of examples to be if you can't sell
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: wild game, which is generally true, like you generally can't
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: sell wild game, why can you buy a taxidermied head?
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: Why can you buy an antler? Okay, and that would
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: be like that's like by product, not the meat in
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: that explanation. Why can you sell beaver meat to sled
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: dogs for for sled dog food? Why can you sell
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: a beaver's fur if you're not allowed to sell wild
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: game be like, well, because that lives under a different
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: regulatory structure, which is it's a fur bearer, it's it's
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: not technically a game animal. Why can you sell fish?
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: Why can people go to the ocean sell fish. If
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: you can't sell wild game, that's fisheries. It's like historically
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: been under totally different regulatory structure than wild game. Why
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: can you sell bear grease as a hair dressing but
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: you can't sell bear grease as a food additive? It
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: would be because you can't it's a game animal. You
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: can sell by product for non food. I'm speaking very
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: general terms. You can sell by product for non food
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: and purposes the same way I could sell you a
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: bear hide, my old taxidermy I didn't want any more,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: But I couldn't have sold you edible food item marketed
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: to you as bear meat. So there's all these like
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: you know, it's it's complicated. It frustrates people that it
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: doesn't make clean sense. There's too many things that sit
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: outside of the rule, right, it's hard to understand how
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: the rules even came to place. But how in the
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: hell if I go into your restaurant, how can I
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: go in and buy nilgai and they're not they're they're
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: they're not fenced in there, they're not domestic, Or how
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: can I go and buy a wild pig? Like, how
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: does that? How does that not fly in the face
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: of this whole no wild game thing. Texas has different
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: laws with invasive species. They have different laws with introduced species,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: like species from Asian Africa. You could buy them, they
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: sell them like they sell cattle. But yeah, but they
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: can't go out of the state like like and you
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: they can, okay, like break it down from me, give
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: me break give me the version of how you get
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: a nil guy and what the rules are, and how
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: you get a pig and what the rules are and
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: what can't you do, like you can't right now, like
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: maybe you can. Could you go right now and shoot
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: a nil guy? Got it out and sell in your restaurant? No? Okay?
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: So that that's what I'm like, I'm not okay, I
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: know you're not breaking law. Explain it to have an inspector.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: So we're gonna let's break the pigs and uh and
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: then everything else into two different categories. And we'll start
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: with the like the noil guy specifically. So these big
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: ranches down here, you know that, you know along the
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: South Texas coast where the nil guy are well, often
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: if they need to call out a bunch of cows
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: will hire an outfit, and that that outfit is generally
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: broken arrow as a female nil guy correct, sorry sorry,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: uh broken arrow ranch out of Ingram, and they'll come
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: down here and they'll shoot no guy from helicopters. UM.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: And the whole process has to be done very correctly
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: with a with an actor there. Since they're going over
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: state lines, they're going to be U. S D A
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: UM and so there they'll come down. They'll they'll take
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: maybe eighty in a day. UM. And then they have
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: these big refrigerated trailers and this crew that rolls down.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: What shots are they going for? Shooting head shots? Shooting
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: head shots with presumably like from a helicopter, head shots
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: of the rifle. And then they will process everything under
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: inspection and then we'll take it back to their facility
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: in Ingram, which is in the hill country. And from
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: there they ship all over the country. And they're probably
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: the pre eminent supplier of wild game and especially like
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: high quality wild game. Uh. And they do uh different species.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: There's access. Sometimes you can get things like I believe
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: they sell follow and maybe red deer, but they can't
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: do with white tails. Correct, you can't do it because
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: that's native game. It's native and it's a protected game species.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: Now I know there's white tail farms, I don't I
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: don't know of any in Texas and I don't know
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: the regulation around that, but you I think they can
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: be farmed here. Plenty of other species that will fill
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: that void, and they're typically invasive, and so it's it's
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: best to utilize that as a resource. So your NIL
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: guy in your access um we at the restaurant, we've
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: had nil guy access Red David Pear, David, I'm Red
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: Deer Pear, David Um even all dad that were cold
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: off of off of ranches. So when it's in your restaurant,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: it's been inspected on the ground correct. So and that's
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: since they're distributing beyond state lines, that's U s d A. Now, conversely,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: you've got feral pigs which are trapped live like we
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: just described that process, and they're brought into a facility
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: in Fredericksburg where they're inspected by a state inspector because
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: he's not going to distribute the correct an anti mortem inspection,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: so before they're killed. All pigs are done that way.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: All Ferrell Hawgs, Yes, and so they can be either
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: state or U. S d A. If they're not going
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: over state. Lions they don't need to be U. S
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: d A. And since his most of his distribution is
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: probably to us AT, you know, and then a few
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: other places, he's not gonna mess with the kind of
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: the burdensome regulations that having a U. S d A
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: inspector in your facility comes with. You know, so your
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: hogs and your restaurant live trapped, live trapped, state inspected,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: state inspected, they have a blue Texas stamp on them,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: got it. But there is a there is a way,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: there is an avenue well federal inspector to then have
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: the you have Texas wild hogs federally inspected can go yes,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: And that's also common. So I mean most most Ferrell
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: hog and Ferrell hog products in the United States are
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: probably coming from Texas. Yeah, And so they're they're going
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: to be acted under. Do you know when they inspected,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: what they're looking for obvious signs. I know they're looking
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: at the inside of the They're gonna be looking at
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: the organs for indications of for what they would call
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: condemn they would condemn that animal um and then I
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: think just general health while it's on the hoof, you know,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: just make sure it's not lame or showing obvious signs
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: of being sick or anything. And then there's some there's
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: something on the inside of the ribs I remember hearing about,
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: and then the an organ inspection and then it's good
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: to go after that. UM. But Broken Arrow is U
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: s d A and they also do Ferrell Hawk. God,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: so they're USDA Farrell Hawk because their distribution is wider
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: and so and they do it. They do a phenomenal job,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: like the quality of the me the aging process UM.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: They do that electro stimulation UM and then they age
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: everything really appropriately at the at the facility and then
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: it's it's overnight. It it's it's an incredible company. Can
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: you buy? Like if you as a restaurant guy, Uh,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: can you buy? Is it just cheaper for you to
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: buy domestic pigs? By the time all that ship's done,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: it's about the same price. Yeah, you think Farrell Hoggs
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: would be dirt cheap. But because of the the trap,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: the trap, the trapper, the gaspel, the trailer, the processing,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: the distribution, UM, it's not set up in the same
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: structure and it's not as efficient, so it does and
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: you know, incur a bit of costs and so at
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: the end of the day, a heritage breed pig, a
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: large black red wattle, uh, and Ferrell hog are going
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: to be about the same price. I gotta I gotta
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: last question for you, Joe, where, um, where are you
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: at as a home cook? And how has like game
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: meat sort of change your thing? And what what's your
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: family's attitude towards you know, the all the all the
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: game you guys eat. They love it because we eat
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: so much. Um. But um, where I'm at is uh, Well,
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: one thing I did is uh, I started cooking everything, like,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: not everything, but most of what I do, I cook
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: very slowly on a smoker. I usually use a trigger,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: but I recently bought an actual Texas offset smoker, which
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: I'm excited to do. You're saying someone made you one
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: up that you're excited about. Yeah, yeah. And I also
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: got one of those Argentine steak grills, which is great.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: So I really got into wood, uh, cooking over wood.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've always loved like cooking on a trigger
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: because I think it doesn't part like a flavor of
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: wood to the food. But actual wood burning wood is
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: next level and there's there's a convenience factor. Oh that
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: the trigger is amazing. It's just the fact that I
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: can tell my kids, tell my kids like listen, yeah,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: I checked my phone and it tells you what temperature
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: the meat is. That's incredible. But there's also these probes
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: called meter prob Yeah, those are great, and you know
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: you could use those and those also you can check
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: on your phone. It gives your projection and when you're
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: gonna be it's a pretty good projection to due to be.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: Like I really like there's something about cooking over wood
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: actual wood too, that gives you there's this caveman thing
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: inside of you. It's like fire food. Like I remember
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: the first time we hunted in Montana. That was I
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: never I never killed an animal and I certainly never
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: killed a him. Uncooked it over a fire like a
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: camp fire, Like this is the greatest ship in the world.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: Like this this is like whatever it is, Like we're
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: talking about this the other day that this is like
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: a door that you can open up in your brain,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: Like I didn't even know this door was there, Like
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: I don't even know this was an area of my house,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: Like what's in here? And it was like the oh,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: you just hunted and killed something and now you're gonna
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: eat it door and uh, And I was like, this
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: is my favorite room, Like this is my favorite room
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: of the house. I don't even know it existed before.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: And that's what it feels like when I cook when
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: it while I'm sitting there outside and I've got these
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: elk steaks and I basted them in olive oil and
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: I've got some some sea salt on them, and I'm
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: just sitting them on this grill and the fires crackling
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: and the smoke is lifting up and I could smell it.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: I'm in my glory. I'm having so much fun. I'm
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: so relaxed. Maybe I have a glass of wine. I'm
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: just chilling with my dog. It's the greatest thing in
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: the world. And then the taste of it is so fantastic,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: and um, it does impart part that smoky flavor. And
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: my favorite way to finish them, I like to do
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: a reverse here with game me. I've tried a bunch
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: of different methods, but to me, especially when it comes
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: like with elk steaks, um, the best result that I've
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: ever found is a slow temperature like two five degrees
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: somewhere in that range until it hits about a hundred
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: and ten hundred and twenty internal and then a really
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: hot cast iron pan with with beef tallow and then
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: I see it on the outside. But what do you
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: but you're not talking, su Vie, like what are you
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: doing to get it up to that initial town? I
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: just with the Argentine grill I have, you know, so
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: you're indirect with monitoring the temperature and the thing. That's
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: what's very nice about the trigger because it's very uh
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: very like you could set you set to twenty five.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: It gives you to like it's going to keep it there.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: It's really good at that um that you can do
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: that with the with an Argentine grill or a smoker,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: just a little bit more fiddling around with it um
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: and then you know, so that's slow cook to get
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: it up to like and then searing it. That's my favorite.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: But I also like to you know, cook things like
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: stir fry things with eggs. I like to do that.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: That's what I'll do with like ground elk. But I
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: feel a lot of ground elk to my dog. That's
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: it's really like dog food is like what are you
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: feeding your dog? Like? What's in that? Like did you
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: have any idea, Like it's like if you love your dog, like,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: would you give your friend that? Like what's in there? Like?
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: So even if you buy expensive dog food, I'm always like,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: what's how I never investigated. I've never gone to a
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: dog food plant and see how they put it together.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: I'm sure I'd be horrified. But what I know is
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: the difference between the way he reacts when I put
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: dog food down and the way he reacts when I
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: put ground elk down. He goes bonkers. I mean, it's
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: not like you can't stop eating the he just dives
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: into the food. So you know the thing, the thing
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: we do with I don't even call my dog, my
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: wife kids dogs. You don't like dogs. I think that's
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: so weird that you don't like dogs. How could you?
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: How could you not like this? Because dogs tell you
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: real quickly. It's not that I don't like him. I
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: don't understand what they do all day, Like what what
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: because Kyle Kyo wakes up, the Kyle wakes up the morning,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: a fox wakes up in the morning, a wolf wakes
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: up in the morning. Some bitch has ship on his agenda. Yeah,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: because they have to, because they're a dog. I come
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: home and I'm like, yeah, to come home. The dogs, Like,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: what do you been doing all day? He don't have
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: to do. It's just just chilling. It's just like the
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: only thing in the house that doesn't have a you know,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: if we're taking the news up, then then I'm like, Okay.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: When we take the dog out, you know, I get okay,
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: he's up to something. Have you tried leaving him a list?
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: It's not that I don't like Listen, my kids like.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: My kids like the dog more than they like me.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: Brings endless joy to the world. All that I told him,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: I said, listen, that dog isnt gonna last that long.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: Oh my God, don't tell him that, Jesus Christ. But anyways,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: here's why, here's why I'm actually nicer to the dogs
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: than anyone else's. I anytime I braise something, uh or
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: any kind of boiled stuff, I save just the jugs
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: of the liquid and I put and I put a
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: couple of slugs of that boiled meat water Already want
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: to call it that dog. It turns that dog's attitude
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: around about anything in its bolting. If I'm home and
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: I'm every day dose in its food, whatever like enhancing
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: its food with that boiled meat liquor. It'll, uh, if
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not there, they won't touch its food. It'll it'll
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: starve itself into eventually wanting to approach that food again.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: But then like do you ask, like you like live
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: a lot, I'll live around. Young animals are old stuff. Uh,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: I chop it, boil it. Dog loves it. And we
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: had we had someone on the show. Reason they're explained.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: The more they all their lungs, all their kidneys, they
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: make their own dog food. My dog reacts to liver,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: like exponentially more than he reacts to even ground elk.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: Liver is the king with him. I give him a
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: piece of liver, like the just the desire in his eyes.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: He sits staring at me, and my dog is like
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: the furthest from like a killer that you could have.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: He's a golden retriever. He's just a big love sponge.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: You know, he's the best. But like if he well
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: he's a killer of squirrels. I'll tell you that that's
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: his number one job. Like he just goes out and
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: tries to kill squirrels and he only gets one like
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: every four or five months, Like every four or five months,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: I'll get a squirrel. One time I came home from work.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: It was funny. I came home, I let him outside
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: to open up the door, and I took a leak,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: and uh, in the time it took me to take
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: a leak, I come out and he's standing there with
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: a squirrel in his mouth, like, look what I got,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: And it just like recently dead squirrel. And I don't know.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of conflicted. I'm like, I don't know. I
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: don't want to cook it and eat it because it's his,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: and I don't want him to eat it because I don't,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: you know. I'm like, all right, let's uh, let's take
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: that from you, buddy. He wanted to he wanted me
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: to know, you know. But other than that, you know,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: it's not like he's out there like taken down. Well,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: he actually did chase a deer. We had to deer
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: in my yard, and I've never seen him chase after
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: anything like you chased after these deer. The fact that
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: he can differentiate between a deer and any other four
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: legged animal, like a dog who's his friend. Like if
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: he saw a dog, he'd be like, hello, dog, you're
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: my friend. But those deer. He's like full clip chasing
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: after me. He actually chased him into the neighbor's yard
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: and came up big hullabaloo. Our our dog chases dear,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: but it got the ship kicked out of it by
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: turkey's a couple of times. And now like if that
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: dog is doing something bad and that look at it
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: and look the other way like it's like it thinks
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: that if if it doesn't make eye contact with me,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: it'll be like better. And when there's turkeys around in
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: the yard, that dog tries to look at him and
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: tries to act like it's not looking at it looks
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: at the turkeys at the corner of its eyes. He's
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: like a bully at the bus stops. Like something tells
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: me I have to chase him. But jes those things,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, do you do you do big bones, big
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: game bones for your dog? Um? I did this year?
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: This year, Um I did. Uh. I have a lot
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: of elk bone marrow that I can't wait to that
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: actually just got back. We chopped him up and uh
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: you met Ryan that was at the UH when he
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: was helped me hang up the skulls and stuff like that.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: He delivered it to me, so I'm I'm gonna give
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: it to him. But we made a mistake of I
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: didn't know that you're not supposed to give a dog
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: a bone once that bone has been baked. Well, yeah,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: I know, because they demolish it. I got swallow and
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: then it jams up there inttional. Well yeah, I got
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: a bunch of trouble about that ship, so with my family,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: because she's like, I got sick, was vomiting up a
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: little bone. So now if I hand that dog a bone,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: she immediately goes to the door. She's got her head
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: like I gotta get away before someone takes it from me,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: and she'll then she'd be like suck it, and she'll
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: go under the table to eat the bone. So now
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: when I give her a bone, I tell the kids,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: like I'm gonna give the dog a bone, it's your
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: job to take it away from it before and it
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: gets the good pieces off, but before she starts just
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: consuming bone fragment. So you still give her bones that
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: have been cooked, only under supervised circumstances. I won't even
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: mess with it anymore because I think even under supervised circumstances,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: if they break a piece off and swallow it. You're
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: not gonna be able to stop that from happening. You
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: should only give him raw bones. I learned that out
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: the hard way. But thankfully he's okay. But yeah, um,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: I'm doing a bone marrow this year, which I'm really
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: excited about for the dog or for a year. Yeah,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: it's amazing, Like if you can put those the bigger
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: bones to put them in a vice and then take
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: a saw down and then build up a big coal
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: bed and then just drop them cut side up right
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: in the coals, like roast him in the bones and
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: just salt on top of that. Yeah, it's great. Like
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: we'll even take a band saw or um, you know
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: I have I have a Milwaukee Uh they come a
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: porter band like a portable band saw, and I like
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: to it's clean. You might you might not like this idea.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: It's clean, but I freeze them, yeah, and then cut
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: them frozen because it's just so clean that way. Caught
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: them frozen, and then I put a little I just
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: lay him on a foam in the oven on a
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: cookie sheet and do like your top about and a
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: cross cutter cross no cross cutting, not boats, little disks.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: And then if you're feeling real sexy. I'll take a
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: little sprig of a little sprig of time and make
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: it like a little tree grown out. So it's got
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: a little tree grown out of it, and he put
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: salt on that ship's good. So to answer your question,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: I have some of the bones for him, some of
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: the bones from me, the ones where it doesn't look
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: like I'm gonna get much marrow out of them, you know,
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: a little skinny leg portions. When you get those to him.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: Families cool on game, they love it. Yeah, but my
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: kids have been eating wild game for I mean I
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: started hunting with you ten years ago. Oh, so they
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: never had to go through the like just normal to them,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: just normal to them. Yeah. I mean my one daughter
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: was four, my other one was too at the time,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: so you know, like I never had to talk about it. No.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: She She used to love telling her friends that her
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: favorite thing to eat was bear because I use your
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: recipe of bear candy. Oh yeah, really good, inspired off
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: of p F. Chang's Mongolian bees. O. God, it was
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: so delicious. It was so delicious, and we cooked it
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: over rice, you know, I served it rather over rice.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: Forgot it was so good, and then it was their
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: favorite thing ever. They loved it. But obviously it's very sweet,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: you know, the sugar involved in it. But you know,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: so when they told their friends at school, like you
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: should have seen my friend's face, they're like, what's your
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: favorite thing to you know? I like bear and they're like,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: kid's house I love. I remember one time when we're
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: living in Seattle and I sent my kid down to
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: school though muskock sandwich, and I remember saying, I'm like,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you one thing I guarantee has never happened.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: Every bought the muskock sandwich down to your school that
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: you can bet on, I mean, all the things you
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: can bet on that you can bet on. But what
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: a crazy animal that is? I mean, that's that's another
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: animal that I feel like, if you hunted that sucker
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: with a bow, you better keep an eye on it.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: You don't even find any blood. How how's it even
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: gonna drip any blood out all that crazy fur. The
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: upside is there's no vegetation. There's vegetation. It's ankle high,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: and their their impulse isn't the whole ass. There would
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: be more like you know we're talking about yesterday. If
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: you oh, you know, I don't think we're rustlers, but
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: we're amusing about if you arrow the cow right right right, Yeah,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: be a while, but you don't go where you're probably
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: gonna find it. Yeah, it'll be it'll go over and
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: stand over there. Yeah. And with the muskocks you do
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: with the white surface to you can go hundreds of
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: yards and I'll just be standing here watching it. Uh. Yeah,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: that was a good time. And there's a when I
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: hunted muskok um on. I did it one time where
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: I drew up tag to hunt muskots on noon Nevak Island,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: uh with the chupic eskimo. And I always like to
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: point out that when they're butchering the muskoks, they will say,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: this is a good part. It's chewy. H And where
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: I was like, this is a good part, it's tender. Yeah.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: They like that. They're like, oh, I like the neck
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: because it's chewy. Have you ever seen where anthropologists break
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: down and biologists break down the problems that people are
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: having with their jaws and their teeth and crowding of
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: teeth in the diminishing of size of the lower jaw. Yeah,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: that the dentist and early twentieth century went around and
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: documented native peoples around the world and there, I mean,
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: the healthiest ones were the ones eating like high meat diets,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: followed by high fish diets, and then it just went down. Yeah,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: it's not just health, it's actually the physical shape of
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: the jaw. But it was attributed like general health started,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, his whole thing was started with the jaw,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: and you're in the shape of the teeth. So ea,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: Chewing tough meat was always a part of humans, and
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: that's the reason why we look at like a robust,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: square jaw as being something that's attractive genetically. That's someone
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: who's had good meat you've been chewing. Now, if you
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: look at people that live in areas we eat a
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: lot of porridge and a lot of like mush, they
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: developed fucked up teeth and they have like these little
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: tiny ass jaws, and that's malnutrition. And it's it's also
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: attributed to this notion that your jaw developed up in
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: accordance to the amount of meat that you have to
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: break down. He's got a good, strong jaw. Yeah, Yeah,
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: isn't that fine, But that's what that's. Yeah, and there's
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: a guy named mew um I forget. His last day
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: was first name around there, but his last name is
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: Mew And he's a dentist, and he was trying to
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: figure out I believe he's dentist, but he's a doctor.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: He's trying to figure out, like what is causing this
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: um grouping of teeth like to be smashed in together
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: and all all funked up, and what's causing them? And
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: is there a way to mitigate that? And so he
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: developed a method called mewing. And this method is where
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: you're like literally pressing your tongue down. I don't I
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: don't know what the method is, um exactly, I've never
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: tried it, but this, uh, this, there's a lot of
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: people that have actually changed the shape of their jaw
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  Speaker 1: through mewing, because it turns out your your jaw is
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: actually some thing that can be manipulated. It's not like
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: all the other bones like you you can buy this method.
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  Speaker 1: There's like before and afters where people can like make
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: their teeth more spaced out. His idea was like this
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: thing of like just use braces, Like why why is
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  Speaker 1: it happening? I wonder why is it happening? Why are
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: the teeth bunching? Up, and his belief is that they're
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  Speaker 1: bunching up because people don't have access to difficult things
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  Speaker 1: to chew, where the jaw gets like more robust. One
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  Speaker 1: thing you'll notice with weightlifters too, um and and people
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: who clamp down on mouthpieces a lot, like over the
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: course of time, they will develop a thicker jaw. Like
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: it's something that that happens to you from Like if
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: you think about it, like a lot of people lift
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: weights with um mouthpieces. Um, it's really good idea. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: weeth develop microfractures. I might have microfractures almost all when
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: I used to when I used to booze it up
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: too much partying. Um, that was one of the things
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: that the microfractures in my teeth because I clenched my
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: jaw at night. That's such a weird thing, so hard
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: it'll hurt so um. These weightlifters that do that that,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: like bite down on mouthpieces, it actually makes your jaw
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  Speaker 1: thicker and stronger, to the point where there's a product
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: that you can buy. I actually have. It's called jaws
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: or size, and it looks like like a golf ball
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  Speaker 1: maybe with like two divots in it where your teeth
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  Speaker 1: slide in and you put it in your mouth and
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: it's weightlifting for your mouth. So you put this thing
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: in you like this and you're crunching down on this
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: rubber ball. Yeah, so you can go. You abs gluten
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: and your job and it makes your job muscles stronger,
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: which would be really good for a fighter because like
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: part of the problem is the jaw being dislocated and
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: moved it. It's like that's one of the ways you
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: get knocked out. You get hit in the jaw. And
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: if your jaw is more sturdy and it's more muscle there,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: it might prevent you from certain knockouts when you protect
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: you rather so if you're if you if a fella
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: is doing that, you put that in and it's like
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: you gonna spend ten minutes or whatever. Yeah, you would
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: do it like you know, you do sit ups in
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: the morning, do your jaw, do sit ups, work your
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: jaw muscles, do your chin ups, do your push ups,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: do your calistenics, whatever you do, and also do your
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: jaw and there's there after what's that No, a ball gag.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: It's the opposite because it's like to hide how he's
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: trying to hide how jack his jaws. Everybody's gonna think
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: he's been messing with that ball. Funny thing, the desire
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: for a square jaw. But it's it. Uh. They believe
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: it really has to do with people not eating tough
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: meat anymore, because you know, primarily are diets at one
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: point in time where when we were hunting gatherers, if
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: you were successful, your diet was meat. If you were unsuccessful,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: your diet was bullshit. You know, like you just were
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: just surviving on you know, whatever little berries and ship
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: you could eat, and you didn't have strong jaw muscles. Um, totally, Yeah,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: I want to chew on like, did you get No, No,
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: I got the thing I wanted to mention. Get one
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: of them. Jaws are sized things, Like it's really cool.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: I forgot there's the thing I wanted to mention, which
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: is the the coolest word. Then we gotta cut some
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: deer up and we got a long drive. Right. But
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: don't remember me telling you the other day when I
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: was on your show, I was telling me about the
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  Speaker 1: book I'm reading about the guy that traveled with the
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: guy that was assigned to the black Feet by the
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: Hudson Bay Company. Uh, I'm probably gonna hit people with
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: a million tidbits. It's out of this book. It's fascinating.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: The word their word for a moose, which is somewhat
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: of a rarity in their area. Their word for a
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: moose six s so six So I'm not pronouncing it right,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: I'm sure sixty so phonetic um. Black going out of sight.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. That's so poetic, like a big black rump
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: going outside, vanishes into the willow, black going out of sight.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: She is so good, man. I heard a word. There's
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: a there's a native word. I don't I don't even
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: know what tribe. There's a Native American word they called
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: the bitter Root. So they were west of the bitter Roots.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: So they were in the Pacific drainage, the Continental the
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: Continental divide. The other side of that was the land
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: or like the place beyond which there are no salmon. Ah. Yeah,
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: you have the place of salmon and place. It's like,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: it's all you need to know. Did you got me
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: into I went on to kick a couple of years
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: back of like multiple books on Native Americans. Um, because
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: I read uh Empire the Summer Moon, and I told
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: you about it, and you're like, that's good. But you're
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: at this and then you turn me on to Sun
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: of the Morning Star. Oh my god. This books are
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: so heavy. And when you read those books and then
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: um Black Elk Speaks is another great one. You read
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: those books and you just imagine the hard scrabble life,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: the difficulty those people faced, the horrors, the hardships. It's
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: just it's amazing how that wasn't that long ago. But
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: how soft we are now. We are so different, We're
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: we're almost complete. If you Sam Bankman freed and then
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: imagine him surviving on the planes with the comanches that
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: he's might well, we can't fig Basically, Almita was moving
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: and he's on amphetamines, and he weighs eight pounds. He's
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: basically made out of the same texture of whatever his
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: tissue is, like a jelly donuts. If you boil a
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: moose joint, if you and then grab a handful of
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: the sun comes off, that's a perfect that's a perfect disagreeation.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: He's mush um and his jaws non existent. I mean right, like,
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: that's that's what a human is like. One of the
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: most until this Ponzi scheme fell apart, one of the
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: most successful humans amongst us, right, and number two donor
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: to the Democratic Party like that, that's a that's a hume,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: a thirty year old, robust in his prime, male human being.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: Of there's a lot of there's a lot of candidates
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: thinking like, I'm not gonna be getting that check again. Yeah,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: that's a wrap. We're gonna have to fund ourselves through
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: honest living. It's it's but it's it's amazing how quickly
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: the world has changed and how quickly life has changed,
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: and that what we're doing, you know, with this, I mean,
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: we're doing a modern version of hunter gatherer. Right. The
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: modern version is so much easier, like what I was saying,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: like about bow hunting, that it's rifle hunting is more effective.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: It's probably more ethical in that there's less of a
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: likelihood of injury an animal, particularly if you're in a
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: closer distance and you're proficient. It's easier to achieve proficiency,
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: I think, although still very difficult to make no mistake about.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: And I think also let me just say this that
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: rifle hunting on public land is probably more difficulty, more
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: difficult than doing the kind of bow hunting that I enjoy,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: because bow hunting on private land you have more opportunities.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: These are more um, really wild animals in the sense
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: that they're not pressured and they're not accustomed to being
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: chased by human beings because there's much less of them,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: much different public land. There's a thing. I mean, I
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: admire the people that are very successful in public land,
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: and I admire that attitude that like, hey, you know,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: I got this done on public land. What bothers me
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: is these animals are unnaturally pressured by swarms of people
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: who go out there at a specific time of the year.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: I'm like, is that normal? Is that? Like they're not
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: They're they're wild, right, but they're wild in this very
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: strange sense where they're just constantly being fun with by
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: people and they don't bugle anymore, and they kind of
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: they're like kind of hiding. And it's just a totally
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: different experience than if you were like Lewis and Clark
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: and you were making a way across the country and
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: you encountered like a herd of elk. I what I
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: would give to be around back then, just to see
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: what it was like. What was it like before there
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: were cities, before there was you know, any sort of
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: wildlife management, Just what was it, like I mean, and
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: again not that long ago, just a few hundred years ago. Uh,
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: there's a couple of great books to understand that Osborne
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: Russell's Journal, Journal of a trapp or whatever. Where the
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: hell Osborne Russell's Journal, which is a lot of times
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: there was a lot to eat and a lot of times.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: Ain't shitty that there's a book Land of Feast and Famine.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: Um like in the es living off land in Canada.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: It's like sometimes you can't there's so much you can't
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: even process at all in a lot of times screwed. Well.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: That's also why a lot of those planes Indians they
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: would find these massive herds of buffalo. It's like, look, gos,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: fuck stay and put where they go we go. Let's
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: just keep moving and and fall behind. But what we're
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: doing with this modern version of hunting and gathering is
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: uh again what I said about like opening up that
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: door in your brain, it is beyond It's the most
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: satisfying way to acquire protein and to get meat and
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: to feed your family. It's the best food that I've
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: ever eaten, certainly in terms of nutrition, but even in
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: terms of like taste. I absolutely prefer it to everything else,
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: and you know, you and you bringing me into that
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: has completely changed my life. And it's been ten years now,
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: um since that first hunt that we went on, you
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: know that was that was ten years ago this year
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: and it changed every it was like ten years ago
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: two months ago. Well, you and you introduced me to
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: the idea of doing a podcast, so we're even yeah,
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: well I'm glad you do because I like listening to it.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: But um yeah, again, it's like I'm very well, I'm
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: very aware of even though uh compared to like a
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: Sam Bank from mac bankman Freed, I'm like a completely
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: different kind of man. But compared to the people that
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: actually made their way across this country and people that,
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: like whether it's the plains, Indians or the settlers, people
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: that we're trying to hunt and gather in a time
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: where you didn't have on X maps, you didn't have
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: you know, you didn't have GPS tracking and both sites
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: that ranged for you. And you know, it's what it's
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: it's just amazing how far things have changed and how
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: much things have changed. And I don't know if it's
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: for the better or for the worst, but I know
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: that for my life, if I can. The more I
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: can introduce of being embedded into actual wild nature, the
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: better I feel. Yeah, I don't think, and I've never
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: thought that I'm approximating a a actual hunter gather experience
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: as lived by hunter gatherers that were pre market environment
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: like like like self like people that were in a
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: self contained economy. However, it's like I do an activity,
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: I engage in an activity, and I gauge in a
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: dietary practice that has overlap, and my understanding of what
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: I'm doing is very heavily is very heavily influenced by
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: or enhanced by an understanding of how people did it.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: But I don't. I don't equate them. You know, I
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: could read all day about um ancestral hunter gathers like
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: and and there, and I'll learn things that that make
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: my experience better. But I'm not don't. I'm not learning
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: tips and tricks. I'm learning that a way to think
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: about a moose, okay, or it's just it's like a
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: way to think about a movies like are the word moves?
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know what that means m O O s E.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: Like I don't know to think about the experience of
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: of a word that means black going out of sight.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: I'm like, fun, that's good, you know, it's just it's
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: it's just it enhances like that bit of knowledge. I'll
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: never live as the person that had that language. I'll
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: never know what language meant to them. I'll never know
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: what they felt when they saw a moose, But like
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: that enhances my experience. But one thing that you are
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: doing is you are letting more po bowle become aware
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: of the benefits of eating that kind of food and
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: living that kind of life and experiencing hunting in a
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: modern context, and that that's it's it's fascinating to see
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: that there has been a resurgence in hunting over the
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: last few years. It's it's quite a bit of a resurgence.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: And I think there was also a resurgence during the
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: pandemic that was a lot of people recognizing, like, hey,
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: this whole supply chain thing and this is not as
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: robust as I thought, This is not a stable as
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: I thought. Maybe be a good idea to at least
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: have some understanding of how to acquire food in the wild.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: But I'm I'm happy that there are so many people
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: that are experiencing that. But for the people that are
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: doing it, and they're doing it on public land, they're
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: also realizing, well, boy, this is uh really ramped up
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: the amount of people that are interested in doing this,
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: and it's made it this thing that you enjoy doing
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: so much more popular, and that means there's much more pressure.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: That means so this pros and cons to it, changing
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: practices everything. Yeah, but my my take on that is like,
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: I want more people to know about it. Is it
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: going to cause problems, Yes, but it's gonna cause a
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: lot less problems than if they take it away. And
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: if less people do it, the more likely that it
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: gets taken away, that the probability of that becomes higher
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: and higher. And that that scares a ship out of me,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: because I've had conversations with educated, intelligent people and they
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: were like, no one needs to hunt today, and and
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you don't. You really have no idea what
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: you're saying, And you have no idea where this this
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: train of thought goes, and you you have no idea
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: why it would be satisfying to those people. And I
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: guarantee you if you went and you experienced it, if
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: you're a meat eater and you say this this is
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: a foolish notion that no one needs to hunt today.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: No one needs to hunt. Your right, you can go
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: to the grocery store. But to say no one needs
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: to hunt, like you should stop. You don't know what
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: you're talking about. Yeah, i'd even argue that man like needs,
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: I don't. I guess needs is a weird word. Yeah,
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: it is hard because but they say it like you
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: shouldn't do it. It will never happen in my lifetime.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: I sure should hope it don't. And I don't even
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: know when I would hit the threshold. But if I
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: had to, um if I lost faith, and how the
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: regulatory structure if I lost faith, and how the regulatory
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: structure is laid out like right now in the United
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: States of America, across all fifty state game and fish agencies,
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: a couple of plates like California. I'm beginning to have
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: questions about Washington State. I'm beginning to have questions about
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: But when I look at Jere, I'm like, I'm just
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: I'm on board with wildlife management. I'm an advocate of it.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: The models we have UM as long as you're like,
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: we want to have sustainable populations of wild game that
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: can support limited harvest and we're gonna help and regulate.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: Are are citizens who want to participate in that harvest? Like,
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: great if you do that, and you say that there's
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: no uh, there's no elk tags this year. Elk tags
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: are lower this year, and I can see that why
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: that's the case, and like numbers are down and here's
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: the factors. I'm okay, cool, totally on board, as long
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 1: as it's managed by wildlife biologists. You're letting people vote
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: on this stuff. That's what gets crazy. And that's what
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: happened in Vancouver when they got rid of the grizzly hunt.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: You're letting people vote on it. They have zero experience
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: with grizzlies, and they're not wildlife biologists. They don't know
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: what they're voting on. They just don't want bears to die.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: So they're like, yeah, let's stop bears from dying. And
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: so they vote on the idea that a person who's uninformed,
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: who just happens to be a voting age can change
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: wildlife management practices. That's insane and that should be separate.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: You should not be able to vote for that. You
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: should be able to vote for if you think that
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: the wildlife biologists are doing a bad job, and the
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: the organization is doing a bad job. You should vote
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  Speaker 1: for politicians that want to hire better people and do
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  Speaker 1: a better job and fit and fix it and make
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: it more more science based. But there's a lot of
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: places where they're acting entirely on the whim of the
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  Speaker 1: public that are loathsomely uninformed. Yeah, I would like I
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  Speaker 1: hope it doesn't happen. I don't think it will happen
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  Speaker 1: in my lifetime. But I could picture becoming like I
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  Speaker 1: could picture rather than quit hunting, I to become a
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  Speaker 1: vigilante hunter, like the punisher. No, Like like an Elks
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  Speaker 1: call in your shirt. No, like the people that continued
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: to drink during prohibition. If I was like, this is
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: you know, it's misguided, it's a mistake, it's not coming
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  Speaker 1: from the right place, I guess I'm gonna be the
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  Speaker 1: kind of person that that made wine in their own
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  Speaker 1: bathtub during the prohibition. Yeah, that's when we vote in
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  Speaker 1: Ted Digit for president. That's when we go listen. Recruitment.
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  Speaker 1: That's why recruitment is so important. Like, right now, what
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: you're doing is fantastic. Well, I mean hunters too, right,
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: But what you're doing. Jesse's fantastic because you actually teach people.
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  Speaker 1: Now the best thing, man, the best thing is that
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: is that you're never like it's never like you're not
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  Speaker 1: gonna if if we go by like sort of like
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: a very rough understanding of democracy where it's like fIF right,
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  Speaker 1: it's not that it's not that you need hunters to
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  Speaker 1: win legislative battles. You need that because that's it's not
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: going to be like all the hunters versus everybody else,
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: because even in the best case scenario, you're gonna lose eight.
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  Speaker 1: It's the people that don't hunt. What do they think
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  Speaker 1: about it? Right? Well, a lot of people that that
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  Speaker 1: might hunt, especially in in this state in particular, they
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: might go hunt once, but then you've they've opened the
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: door and they've gone into the room that you were
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: talking about, and then now they see that, and then
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: they tell other people, and it's like that's how that
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: they're less likely to bone you on the referendum. That's like,
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, you know what, I used to think
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: that hunting was on are unnecessary, But then I know
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: someone that went and did it had the opportunity. They
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  Speaker 1: never would have had that opportunity before, and then that's
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  Speaker 1: how you're going to change the minds. I think it's
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  Speaker 1: just too I mean, because it's just education. Yeah, Like
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: I've I've served a lot of bear meat to a
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: lot of people that will never hunt a bear. They'll
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: never hunt anything. I like to think I like to
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: hope that they're sitting there and they go down to
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: the vote or they're filling out their ship at their
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: kitchen table, and they get to some part about well,
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: it would you know, ban the ability to hunt bears,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: and you're looking at some shit about whether or not
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: you should vote for some judge you never heard of before,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: and like how you feel about the millages increase? You know,
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: you don't have any kids in school, and you're like,
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: I feel like I should say yeah, but I don't
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: have any kids in school. And then you get down
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: to the one about some ship about band and bear hunting.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: I like to think they'd go like if I canna
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: put down though, well, I think it's interesting with putting
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: in New Jersey. You know, they brought it back. They
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: brought it back. That guy ran on the premise, that's
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: part of what he was running on. I'm the band
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: the bear hunt that was part of his platform better education. Uh,
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: no bear hunt, but the human human bearing interactions went
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: up two hundred percent. They just extended the season good.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: I was gunning for that guy and he was one.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: Like I was like, if I could, if I could
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  Speaker 1: get one, if I could make one politician be voted
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  Speaker 1: out of office. I had it in my head that
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: was gonna be that murder. That is the one of
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  Speaker 1: the most foolish things that governor has ever done. Because
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: there's are there more black bears per capita in New
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: Jersey than anywhere else in the state in the States,
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure about that. I think that's true. And
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: it was, and they totally screwed with their bear hunters,
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  Speaker 1: and they make the bear hunters go and check their
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: bears at public places so that people would freak out,
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: so you could make a media spectacle like when you
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: go to check a bear like Montana for instance, Right, well,
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: you check a sheep in Alaska, check a bear in Montana.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: You go to fishing game, you go inside, you notify
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: someone that you have a bear to check. They have
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: you drive around back, you go into the structure or garage,
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: whatever the hell it is, and you privately conduct the
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: investigation in New Jersey of like here ye hear ye,
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: all bear hunters will be bringing their bears down to
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: s X rest area, come on down and down. Yeah,
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: they made it like a nightmare. God, so those people
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: are mandatory checking. But they turned it into like a
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: media spectacle and and like vict and and turned to
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: everybody into villains. Anyways, he's this, we we gotta end up.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: I know everybody's gotta go, but I'll end on this.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: Murphy's you had another politician ran on that bear stuff.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: He's had an our top politician who got busted maskless
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: with a bunch of people in the restaurant. Yeah, see
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: that video. The woman's got a camera on him. It's
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: a great quote, Murphy, You're such a dick. That's funny.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: And he's like hanging out with everybody with no mask
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: and mean, while everybody else is supposed to be mask up,
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  Speaker 1: mask up. And I do not condone going up to
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 1: people and like scramming a camera your face like it's bad,
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: Like you don't do it. But I just thought that
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: was a funny, like opening line of that. And I
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: thought she was talking about the I thought she's talking
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: about the bear hunt, but she was in fact talking
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: about the she's talking about the masking. But they got it. Florida,
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: they had a bear hunt. Uh, it went way better
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: than I expected. They had a quote. It's like, it's
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: crazy they made a quota. They hit the quotter really fast.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: I would be like, oh, if you hit the quotter
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: really fast, you must have a lot more bears then
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: you thought. But then it wanted being bad. Did they
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: hit the quota. It's like, we hit the quota fast.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: No more bear hunts ever, because everybody's astounded that they
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: hit the quarter so fast. Yeah, I understand they killed
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: blank thousand bales a bear dying per second. Or that's
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: all the dummies moving from New York to Florida because
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: they want to save on taxes. Well, it's that, and
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: it's also like the COVID regulations. There's a lot of
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: people that were very upset or I'm I don't, I
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: don't have I'm a I'm a big Florida fan, man,
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: I don't. I would never hack on Florida, but I
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: would hack on how they handle that damn bear hunt. Yeah, well,
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: get to Santis on the podcast, bring that up to him.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: Funny well, I told you that's my that's my life's goal. Funny,
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: interesting that you brought that up. That's my life's goal. Uh,
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: all right, guys, we gotta go. What time is it? Ye? Yeah,
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: I gotta wrap. I gotta cut a couple of deer up.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Joe, thanks for having me, and
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: thank you Jesse for all the great cooking. Dude, you're
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: such a good chef and you're a good cook. Thanks. Man.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: Now I like that. That's that that is like, that's
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: a great cook cooking for your friends. Man, Yeah, that's
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: curry less. Night was insane so good. The only thing
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: I can do better than you is make a tone
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: and the ducks that we went off on the duck earlier,
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: the ducks you way better. Everything to me, And someday
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: I can show you how to handle the beef to
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  Speaker 1: That's very kind. I a forciate al right, guys, Thanks