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Toyota Just Launched the Ultimate Overland Tacoma · The Overland Journal Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Overland Journal podcast. I'm your
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  Speaker 1: host Scott Brady, and I'm here with my co host
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  Speaker 1: Matt Scott and for this week, we are super excited
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  Speaker 1: to talk about the new twenty twenty four Toyota Tacoma.
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  Speaker 1: This vehicle is all new from the ground up, and
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  Speaker 1: they've addressed all of the things that we saw as
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  Speaker 1: cons about the vehicle in previous podcasts. This thing is
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  Speaker 1: going to be available with up to seventeen hundred pounds
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  Speaker 1: of payload thirty three inch tall tires. It's going to
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  Speaker 1: have a trail hunter package built specifically for overlanding. The
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  Speaker 1: list goes on and on and on, so please enjoy
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  Speaker 1: this wide ranging conversation about the all new Tacoma with
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  Speaker 1: Journal Podcast. I'm your host, Scott Brady, and I'm here
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  Speaker 1: with my co host Matt Scott and we are all
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  Speaker 1: smiles and excitement this morning. Toyota's back because the Tacoma
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  Speaker 1: is back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Man, we're even start. I mean, I mean, there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot to talk about this roundup, ground up, refresh. I
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  Speaker 3: think we were all big fans of the second generation Tacoma.
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  Speaker 1: And the first gen.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, the first gen, the third gen. You know, honestly,
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  Speaker 3: there's nothing wrong with it. It's just that's where I'm
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  Speaker 3: not going to say that Toyota was asleep at the wheel.
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  Speaker 3: But you really started to see the competition come into
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  Speaker 3: that segment, correct, you know, you started to see the
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  Speaker 3: Colorado ZR two That was like, in my opinion, kind
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  Speaker 3: of mind bending for the segment.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: And now Toyota is responding, they really are in earnest
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  Speaker 3: like they're out for They're out for blood in their
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  Speaker 3: own little Toyota way.
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  Speaker 1: That's what it feels like. It feels like they've taken
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  Speaker 1: it so seriously, and it's almost like they listened to
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  Speaker 1: the podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, because we've been we we are both
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  Speaker 3: we've both trusted our lives to Toyota's around the world.
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  Speaker 1: But the Tacoma slowly became less appropriate as a tool
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  Speaker 1: with the limitations of the frame, Halo enjoyable to drive,
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  Speaker 1: you know, at third gen we're talking about the third gen.
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  Speaker 3: I mean that motor was a little weird and how
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  Speaker 3: it operated the hlacans and cycle thing, and.
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  Speaker 1: Then the six speed and the very very high first gear.
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  Speaker 1: It needed to be you know, at least a four
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  Speaker 1: point five to five or five one first gear was
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  Speaker 1: a very high first gear, so it just kind of
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  Speaker 1: made it terrifying.
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  Speaker 3: But like for eighty eight c and it or something
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  Speaker 3: to make it drive right, and there were issues. But boy,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't even know where to start on this.
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  Speaker 3: So I know I do know where to start. This
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  Speaker 3: trail hunter thing. I think the name's a little tacky. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: the name is an interesting way. It's like, it's probably
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  Speaker 3: just that they couldn't find another good name because there's
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  Speaker 3: so many names that are that are locked down now.
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  Speaker 3: The design guy's last name is also Hunter somewhere if
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  Speaker 3: you like, got it worked his Oh there we go
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  Speaker 3: his way into that into perpetuity.
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  Speaker 2: But it's really cool.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if we were to sit down a couple
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  Speaker 3: of years ago and say, what would the ultimate aftermarket
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  Speaker 3: and OE collaboration be for me? It would probably still
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  Speaker 3: be a V and RAM or something, but number two
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  Speaker 3: for me would be ARB and Toyota. I mean, they
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  Speaker 3: are just does a seventy series not get an AIRB
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  Speaker 3: bumper at some point in its life?
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  Speaker 1: Exact?
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  Speaker 4: You know?
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  Speaker 3: I mean they are They're so hand in hand and
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  Speaker 3: this this Trail Hunter truthfully kind of was co developed
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  Speaker 3: by ARB. I mean, and they had ARB engineers working
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  Speaker 3: at Toyota, which is so cool.
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  Speaker 1: Really cool. And ARB has in many the same ways
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  Speaker 1: that AEV does. This is a brand that we have
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  Speaker 1: all trusted, We've seen, We've seen just consistent quality, performance, durability.
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  Speaker 1: They do a lot of the same kinds of codings
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  Speaker 1: and finishes as the OEM does, so you know that
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  Speaker 1: the ARB bumper is going to last a while without
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  Speaker 1: being corroded a corroded mess. And then of course they
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  Speaker 1: have the capability of integrating with the safety systems of
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  Speaker 1: the vehicle. So you can see on this trail Hunter
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  Speaker 1: how much ARB is integrated. So you have actually labeled
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  Speaker 1: old man emuse suspension on the trail Hunter, which is
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  Speaker 1: so cool. Clearly ARB would have also been involved with
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  Speaker 1: some of the spring tuning, which this is one of
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  Speaker 1: the questions that we don't have answered yet based upon
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  Speaker 1: the information that we have. I have asked Toyota and
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  Speaker 1: they kind of skirted the question in their reply. But
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  Speaker 1: we don't know what the payload is going to be
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  Speaker 1: on the trail Hunter. There is a lot of good
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  Speaker 1: things to talk about around payload with these vehicles, because
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  Speaker 1: it's a huge improvement, but we actually just don't know
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  Speaker 1: where that one's going to end up at. But if
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  Speaker 1: a RB had anything to do with it as far
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  Speaker 1: as the spring rates, it's probably going to be well
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  Speaker 1: suited to some higher payload numbers.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it's really brave of Toyota to
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  Speaker 3: kind of split the market between the go fast desert crowd. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: and the overlanding crowd. Yes, I mean, I mean myself
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  Speaker 3: included there. If you wanted kind of that somewhat factory
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  Speaker 3: prepped off road truck, let's go down the lines of
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  Speaker 3: ZR two, raptor TRX. They worked for the overlanding style
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  Speaker 3: travel and it was nice to have those things done
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  Speaker 3: from the factory, but that wasn't their actual purpose. And
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  Speaker 3: there are so many people taking these desert trucks and
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  Speaker 3: trying to make them overlanders and throwing away all that
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  Speaker 3: suspension tuning and throwing away everything that went into it
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  Speaker 3: for the go fast side of things.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's really cool.
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  Speaker 1: I agree the act are quite different, and that was
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  Speaker 1: actually one of the comments in the long form press
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  Speaker 1: release was that Toyota was very intentional about segmenting the
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  Speaker 1: different models. So they have an affordable SR model that
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  Speaker 1: you can get a manual transmission, and they have an
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  Speaker 1: SR five you can get a manual transmission. You can
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  Speaker 1: even get still get the extra cab and that gives
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  Speaker 1: you seventeen hundred pounds of payload. There's some unanswered questions
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  Speaker 1: around that, like can you still get the TRD package
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  Speaker 1: They traditionally had like an option check of I want
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  Speaker 1: the TRD package, which gave you the rear locker, some
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  Speaker 1: slightly different shock absorbers and things like that. There's some
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  Speaker 1: unanswered questions on if you can still do that with
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  Speaker 1: the extra cab, but if you want to maximize payload,
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  Speaker 1: you can get seventeen hundred and nine pounds, which just
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  Speaker 1: ever so slightly beats out the six speed Manual Gladiator
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  Speaker 1: by nine pounds, which is kind of funny.
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  Speaker 3: It's kind of a little Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I know Toyota well enough where it's almost like they
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  Speaker 1: I think it's just a coincidence. Yeah, I don't really
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  Speaker 1: think that they would be like, oh, we're going to
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  Speaker 1: beat them by nine pounds. I think that it's probably
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  Speaker 1: what it came back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because Toyota is
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  Speaker 1: you know, they're not They're not that way.
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  Speaker 2: They're a fairly conservative company.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: There's there's a lot of different I guess specs and
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  Speaker 3: levels that you can get this truck in. You know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm just looking at at the limited and since I'm
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  Speaker 3: a slut for nice interiors, heated and cooled seats, and
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  Speaker 3: it's a coma.
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  Speaker 1: And it even gets it even gets more interesting because
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  Speaker 1: you get it what you can get with the I
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  Speaker 1: Force Max with an all wheel drive transfer case.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's kind of cool.
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  Speaker 1: So you end up with this luxury mid sized truck
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  Speaker 1: that has think of your kind of especially with the
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  Speaker 1: I Force Max where you have it, you know the
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  Speaker 1: advantages of it being a hybrid at high elevation. So
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  Speaker 1: you know, you got your ski Mountain, ski Town, get
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  Speaker 1: your heated seats, you got your heated steering wheel, You've
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  Speaker 1: got your all wheel drive, you got four hundred and
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  Speaker 1: sixty five pounds of tork I think.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, but this is the you know, the large
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  Speaker 3: leap forward that we've been hoping and praying, well for
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  Speaker 3: sure from for sure from Toyota. I mean, if they
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  Speaker 3: it would have been very bad news had they taken
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  Speaker 3: the third gen and thrown a different motor in it.
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  Speaker 3: That platform was just getting old and it couldn't keep
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  Speaker 3: up with the competition that was out there. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: if you think about it, in the last couple months,
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  Speaker 3: what we've seen twenty twenty four Ranger and Ranger Raptor
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  Speaker 3: GM and Chevy Colorado and Kenya yep, cheez, and then
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  Speaker 3: this mean people are like, this segment is really really
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  Speaker 3: heating up. And I think that that's really cool.
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  Speaker 1: And the big shot across the bow of the segment
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  Speaker 1: was of course the Gladiator, which had big numbers to
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  Speaker 1: begin with. But this was interesting. I've been doing some
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  Speaker 1: research for this podcast around production numbers, and the Tacoma
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  Speaker 1: is still by far the most sold mid size and
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  Speaker 1: over a lot of brand loyalty. There of over two
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  Speaker 1: hundred thousand units, but the second one in line is
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  Speaker 1: the GM product, so they came in at one hundred
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  Speaker 1: and eleven thousand units, and so they came out of
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  Speaker 1: like last place to second place within a matter of
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  Speaker 1: just a few years. But Gladiator numbers are off a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, but there's still eating competition going for the
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  Speaker 1: glad eighty thousand units of the Gladiator. So the mid
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  Speaker 1: size truck segment is just very popular and there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of great capability in it now too.
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  Speaker 3: I'm very excited to see what you know. I know
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  Speaker 3: this podcast is focused on the new Tacoma, but we
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  Speaker 3: know that there's upgrades coming to the Gladiator in the
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  Speaker 3: next couple of years. They just announce that they're going
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  Speaker 3: to do the two lead four by E powertrain, which
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  Speaker 3: I think is really cool.
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  Speaker 1: One of my favorite power trains.
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  Speaker 3: On the planet right now, and then they have that
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  Speaker 3: Hurricane Straight six coming that's eventually supposed to make its
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  Speaker 3: way into Gladiator Jeep and all of these things really
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  Speaker 3: really it's it's going to be really fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like, what a great time to be
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  Speaker 1: alive as an Overlander.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, we're getting mid sized trucks with some
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  Speaker 3: payload yep.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that one of the things that stood
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  Speaker 1: away from me when I read all of this on
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  Speaker 1: the new Tacoma is it feels like we're finally getting
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  Speaker 1: the high lux back. And I'll explain to a couple
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  Speaker 1: of reasons why that's the case. So this vehicle is
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  Speaker 1: built on the new F series platform, which is what
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  Speaker 1: they build the land Cruiser on. This is going to
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  Speaker 1: be redimensioned, of course for it being a narrower vehicle,
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  Speaker 1: but it is. This is an extreme duty frame that
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  Speaker 1: it's fully boxed, has additional frame members cross members, so
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  Speaker 1: you're going to get away from that frame limitation that
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  Speaker 1: we've had with the Tacoma for so long. It's also
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  Speaker 1: going to have disc brakes in the rear. It's going
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  Speaker 1: to have heavier duty axles. You can see it in
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  Speaker 1: the photographs. These are heavy duty axles.
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  Speaker 3: I'm I'm very interested in this kind of parts swapping
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  Speaker 3: environment between Tundras, Sequoia, land Cruiser Tacoma.
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  Speaker 1: Now, and you had an interesting comment earlier about these
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  Speaker 1: wide track Tacoma.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so tierdy Pro and trail Hunter. I guess it's
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  Speaker 3: important to say that we don't have all the information
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  Speaker 3: at this point. We're recording this a couple of days
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  Speaker 3: before in bargo lifts bargo lifts, so some of this
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  Speaker 3: is interpreting what we're seeing and it should be taken
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  Speaker 3: as opinion or speculation. But the trail Hunter and the
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  Speaker 3: tierty or three inches wider than the standard, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and you can't get that through wheel offsets. As a manufacturer.
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  Speaker 3: That's just too much. It really makes me wonder if
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  Speaker 3: these if these vehicles are getting the Tundra front end
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  Speaker 3: on it, are they getting a Tundra rear axle, you know,
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  Speaker 3: because then then you're thinking gross axle weights for their
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  Speaker 3: rear and actual payloads and things.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe they could.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe they could feasibly actually get some decent payload.
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  Speaker 1: It would have to be wider front control arms. So
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  Speaker 1: if you've got a narrower frame overall, than the Tundra,
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  Speaker 1: and then you put the Tundra axles and control arms
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  Speaker 1: on there, you end up with this slightly wider version
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  Speaker 1: of a Tacoma.
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  Speaker 3: I think your thoughts are very It would be interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we've seen that happen in the aftermarket. You
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  Speaker 3: could take the Titan stuff and swap that onto the frontier.
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  Speaker 2: It would all maybe seem to work.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, heck, you could do that on the Lankers
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  Speaker 3: or two where you take the Tundra right front control
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  Speaker 3: arms put them on the two hundred series land cruiser
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  Speaker 3: and it was like a factory long travel kit.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's interesting, you know.
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  Speaker 3: I think, while we're on the subject of this trail hunter,
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't have an airb front bumper. It has an
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  Speaker 3: airb rear bumper, and they really hype it up and
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  Speaker 3: it looks great.
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  Speaker 1: It does, and the and the recovery points.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm going to give them
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  Speaker 3: some grace on this, and I think that everybody else
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  Speaker 3: should too. It is really really hard to get, you know,
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  Speaker 3: pedestrian and safety certifications for this kind of stuff. Oh,
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  Speaker 3: you have to you have to be looking forward and
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  Speaker 3: having reserve capacity for the legislation that's that maybe manufacturers
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  Speaker 3: know is coming, you know, so we knew that this
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  Speaker 3: trail Hunter concept was kind of coming out. In my mind,
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, it's going to have, you know, the
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  Speaker 3: ARB bumper on the front. Well, I think you just
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  Speaker 3: do that aftermarket and you throw away the plastic bumper
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  Speaker 3: that's on there, which does look different and kind of cool.
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  Speaker 1: And given aarb's involvement with the package, they probably already
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  Speaker 1: have it in boxes ready to get probably is so
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  Speaker 1: we may even see it at the Overland exprom this
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  Speaker 1: next week. The rock rails look pretty cool. They look
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  Speaker 1: and they're frame mounted, so they're very durable rock rails.
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  Speaker 1: Do we want to kind of go through the trail
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  Speaker 1: Hunter specs?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So it looks it looks like that the trail
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  Speaker 1: Hunter is only going to be available in the I
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  Speaker 1: Force Max. You're going to get maximum fuel economy, but
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  Speaker 1: you're only going to get the automatic, so you're not
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  Speaker 1: going to be able to get a manual transmission. The
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  Speaker 1: one thing I found most interesting, and this is there's
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of nuggets kind of deep into some of
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  Speaker 1: the copy on the press release. But you can get
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  Speaker 1: the trail Hunter in a double cab long bed, so
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  Speaker 1: that's going to clearly be the overland variant. So you
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  Speaker 1: have a six foot bed for a full length go
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  Speaker 1: Fast camper or some other lightweight camper system, You're going
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  Speaker 1: to end up with a lot of storage space. Overall.
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  Speaker 1: You end up with two and a half inch diameter
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  Speaker 1: old Man EMU monitube position sensitive shock absorbers and they
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  Speaker 1: do have piggyback style remote reservoirs on them. You've got
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  Speaker 1: the trail Hunter Forge aluminum upper control arms. They're bronze color.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I was laughing at. Then you have a
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  Speaker 1: locking room differential super key. This is a this is
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  Speaker 1: a big update.
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  Speaker 3: Oh I know what you're gonna say, Yeah, say it
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  Speaker 3: front swavebar disconnect. I know it's such a big deal.
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  Speaker 3: I should say that in a sexier voice from the
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  Speaker 3: swavebar disconnect. Go slowly, Matt, slowly. But it's like what
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  Speaker 3: we just tested on the new Grand Cherokee, where you
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  Speaker 3: have this driver activated front swave bar disconnect. And this
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  Speaker 3: is what's interesting to me, is I suspect that this
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  Speaker 3: is only going to be available with the five link
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  Speaker 3: rear end and what we saw on the Tundra was
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  Speaker 3: less articulation out of the rear end with the five
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  Speaker 3: link than we saw with the leaf springs, and that's
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  Speaker 3: because of the positioning of the shocks. The shocks are
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  Speaker 3: positioned outside of the frame, which limits packaging, and because
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  Speaker 3: it's further outside the frame, they'd have to be much
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  Speaker 3: longer in order to provide the same amount of articulation.
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  Speaker 3: You probably have less articulation with the five link rear,
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  Speaker 3: which means they had to address it somehow, and they
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  Speaker 3: did it by adding the swavebar disconnect in the front,
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  Speaker 3: which according to the literature says you get a ten
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  Speaker 3: percent increase in ramp travel.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that that's super cool.
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  Speaker 1: It also just and it should should write a lot better.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's us you know, having experienced this on
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  Speaker 3: jeeps that I've owned, that's the real, you know ticket
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  Speaker 3: thing here. Four wheel drive, you know, turn that front
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  Speaker 3: sway bar off, and it's just when you as an occupant,
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  Speaker 3: you can feel it.
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  Speaker 1: When you're off, you're not getting tossed around. It makes
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  Speaker 1: a big difference in in in off road ride comfort.
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  Speaker 2: So auxiliary DC switches is kind of cool.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: We've seen that historically from you know, I think Ford
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  Speaker 3: really was the one that led that Jeep and Ram
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  Speaker 3: and all of those guys came along. Super cool because
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  Speaker 3: anybody that's modifying their truck lights whatever can take advantage
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  Speaker 3: of that. And I really support it because I have
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: seen too many trucks burned down from sketchy wiring and
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: it's really started to change in this s pod switch
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: pro trigger system kind of era, and I think that
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: those things are fantastic. I just noticed heated in cool
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: seats on Trail Hunter and Tierty Pro. It's just kind
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: of a nice thing.
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you think that cool seats are ridiculous
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: until you try it and you're like, oh my god.
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: Almost rather, I mean, living in Arizona, cool seats are
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: right now.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: They're so good thing.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: They're so good well, and thirty three inch good Year
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: Territory tires, which I have found to be a nice
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: hybrid tire. They're not they're kind of mud terrainy, they're
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: kind of alterraany. They're really a nice balance and thirty
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: three inches in diameter. The one thing that's a little
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: bit of a hm is the eighteen inch wheels. Yeah,
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: we've talked about this on the podcast before. But you
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: want the tire wheel package to be as close to
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: as possible, the tires being twice the diameter of the wheels,
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: So with them being an eighteen inch wheel, you need
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: to have a thirty six inch diameter tire in order
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: to hit that optimal balance. It could be something to
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: do with the break packaging.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: It could be we're not so solvable in the aftermarket.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: Right, you know, and hopefully so seventeen inch wheels are
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: a better choice. I can see the eighteen inch wheels
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: on the TIERD Pro because it's very much a go
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: fast truck.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: Now, it's the brakes, right I mean, and we're probably
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: seeing a lot of ton direct components. Again, this is
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: very early days, but I would have to think Toyota
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: has this history of parts sharing and not developing products
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: that are already developed components.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: I should say, who heads up Display too.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Liked you liked the rigid white amber switchable LED lights,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: So that was interesting.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: It's super cool because the yellow is obviously nice for
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: when it's severe fog, rain or rain or whatever. I mean,
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: you can you can have a little bit of individuality there,
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: and it's just a I think it's just a different
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: chip that goes in there that switchable. So I think
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: that that's a kind of a cool innovation and it
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: does come. Actually, I would love to see that stuff
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: more in the aftermarket, and it's cool to see that
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: happening here.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: So I'll definitely be watching Rigid And there's an integrated
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: LED light bar in the grill. The Trail Hunter has
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: the frame mounted rock rails. It has an ARB steel
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: roar bumper. The recovery hooks are They look to be
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: full gross vehicle weight rating, if not higher rating. It
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: looks like they run down the frame members, so they've
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: got to be just and it looks like they're super
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: heavy duty ARB aftermarket recovery points, which have been legendary
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: for quality. The bed utility bar not really digging that.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: You can see it in the photos. Will put those
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: into the podcast.
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: But oh yeah, kind of TRX like it's very like nineties.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: I get it on the TRD Pro, but it doesn't
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: make any sense on the Trail Hunter. Yeah, so that
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: would end up beating.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: I did read that they're going to have a kind
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: of that Baha bar style thing and then they'll have
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: a full length Oh that'd maybe that's an option, you know,
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: But think about this, like if I was, you know,
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: I am in the automotive aftermarket for work. I'm looking
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: at this and I'm like, you know, yeah, people are
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: probably still going to mess with them, but we're getting
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: a track that out of the box, like i mean
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: from the dealer, you can get you know, an engineer bedrack.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Just all of this stuff. Yeah, you know, I mean
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: they're put it all into your payment, put it all
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: into your warranty.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it'll be interesting.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: I mean definitely from you know, people that we've talked
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: to and on the OE side, like they recognize how
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: much money they're losing by not having that stuff, you know,
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: go out of their door versus the aftermarket, and.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: We're seeing them do it. Yeah, across the board.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: I mean I'm looking at this and I'm like, woait,
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Like Tacoma thirty three's, Like yeah, maybe thirty five's and
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: a little lyft and whatever, But like, do you actually
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: need to anymore? Not really, you know, does it become
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: more of a matter of personal styling at that point?
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Maybe on jeeps that's still very much the kids. Yeah, yeah,
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: should we hop over to Tierdy pro.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: In one moment, because there's one more thing I wanted
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: to talk about, which was interesting, so from the Overlander perspective,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: because it's the I Force Max. It has a twenty
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: four hundred watt inverter in the bed. So when you've
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: got your camper system, you have a twelve OL outlet
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: in the bed and a twenty four hundred two fled outlet.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: I'm super excited for because well, it's a pain to
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: have to do that in the aftermarket.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: If you want to put a fridge back there or whatever.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: It's already done. It's this gigantic battery pack. So what
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: I'm curious of is does the hybrid battery pack it's
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: like one point eight KILLO wats I can't run.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: It's a nickel metal hydride battery pack.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: It is.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a one point eighty seven kilowatt hour.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: I think the jeep's doing that on the four by
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: ease now, but it's AC only it's not twelve O.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: But that's the that's the cool thing. You could have
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: this twenty four hundred y inverter running off of the
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: built in batteries in the high quol.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: I mean it could be that's that's that's your Honda
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: generator totally bring with you.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you no longer have to. Well, think of
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: the stuff that can run off of that battery pack.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: That's a big battery pack. You could run an air
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: conditioner for a period of time off of that. You
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: could run compressors, you could run do all of your
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: charging of your electronic devices. You could at twenty four
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: hundred watchs, you could run an induction cook top. So
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: you could integrate all of that with just the factory
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: system within the truck. Which think about it, it doesn't
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: add any more weight.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: It would be really cool if I could run off
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: of that.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So those are some hopeful insights. So now you
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: want to you're digging the tird pro a little bit.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Well, actually, the thing I just noticed too is integrated
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: high output air compressor in the bed. Yeah, on the
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: trail Hunter. Again, it's like one less thing that you
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: have to do. Just buy the thing and go use it. Yeah, exactly.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that you know the tierdy Pro. Yeah, it interests me.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I mean it seems like the seats are of real interesting.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, okay, so there are what.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: I'm going to make sure I and none see it
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: this correctly. ISO Dynamic performance seat. It looks interesting. It's like,
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: I get it. So you work so much with the
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: chassis and if you're trying to improve ride quality and
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: you only have so much within the packaging and the vehicle,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: you can only get so much wheel travel. I mean,
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: just like unimogs do, commercial trucks do. I mean guaranteed
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: the UPS or FedEx driver that delivers your packages has
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: a you know, suspended seat and a suspended seat. It's
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: interesting to see it in this. I hope that people
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: realize that that it doesn't actually make your cargo any faster.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: It's just it's gonna be comfortable thing. And it looks
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: a bit it's there's some a bit like nineteen nineties
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Fast and the Furious or I guess early two thousands
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: like it.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: It's very fast and the Furious and it even has
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: little gauges on it probably that show like the amount
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: of travel that you're so like, imagine your poor passenger
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: in the back of the front of There's the problem
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: with all of this is that now when you go
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: to like cars and coffee or whatever, you.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: Know, yeah, basically I have a trophy truck, you know,
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: like I've only got ten inches of travel. But you know,
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: I've got these isodynamic seats and it's basically a trophy truck.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: You know, it's trophy truck technology, and and people aren't
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: going to shut up about it, and that's going to
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: be right well, and then they're going to drive it
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: like a trophy truck. Yeah, yeah, they're going to it's
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: still a tacoma underneath, like, which is not to take
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: anything away from the car. It's not a trophy truck.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: So it may keep them out of the hospital possibly,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: but it's not going to save the truck.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: It'll be interesting to see if with this people start
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: to overdrive them. Yeah, because you know, all of a sudden,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: it would require some careful marketing.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: It's an interesting edition.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it might.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Work really really well, but it is at this point
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: a little left field.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe you know that the as long as somebody
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: comes up with like some thoughtful little covers for it
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: so you don't have to like stare at the it
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: looks it looks like the t series, like Arnold Schwarzenegger,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: like like.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: His neck shots or something like.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: They're they're they're interesting and I'm sure people will geek
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: out about it.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: No, it's it's a cool technology.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Like I said, gunamous use that, Yeah, same in a different,
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: different application.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I get it. It's just it is different. It's such
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: a unique thing. I mean. But it also, like you said,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: it further differentiates TRD Pro as the go fast vehicle. Yeah,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: and it's three inches wider. It's an inch and a
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: half to two inches taller than the standard Tacoma thirty
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: three inch tall tires. So it's it's clearly meant for
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: and fox internal bypass switching.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: Shocks that would be very similar to what's on the
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: the current new generation Tundra. It's interesting a lot of
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: this stuff kind of parallels the Trail Hunter. You still
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: get the airb steel rear bumper, the fog lights, and
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: a lot of that kind of thing.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: But it is interesting because they have an aluminum front
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: skid plate on the TIERD Pro and a hot hot
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: stamp steel skid plate on the Trail Hunter. So they're
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: trying to to have some differentiation in actual functionality.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: It's just like the TIERD Pro has become inherently less
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: interesting to me.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because the Trail Hunter really solves it. In their documentation.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: They actually refer to it as their overland vehicle. So yeah,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: it's a factory developed Overlander straight from Toyota. That's Toyota's
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: words so clearly, and we heard it at SIMA last
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: year with the VP of Marketing saying Toyota is all
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: in on overlanding. Yeah, and it's very clear that they're
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: all in on overlanding. And this is the part the
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: ten page press release. Yeah.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Probably.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: You know, you could play a game every time Toyota
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: says overlanding, take a shot.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: You will make it. You wouldn't make it to the end,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: which is a good thing. And this is when it's
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: so funny when people will say, like we're at peak overlanding.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: We haven't even started right now, the OEMs are actually
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: getting into overlanding, which of course it can make it
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: very I.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Think we hit peak bolting stuff onto your truck for
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: no purpose.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Maybe hopefully, you know.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of a lot of board
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: people during the pandemic. But so here's what I want
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: to talk about on Tierdy Pro and Trail Hunter, because
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: I do want to dedicate time to Tierty Sport, Tierty
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: off Road because realistically, for most people, those are going
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: to be the best boy at.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: SR five TRD off Road. Yeah, if it's available, it
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: isn't clear that it is, so we still don't know there's.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Can get full build spec sheet available.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we just don't quite know. If you can get
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: the I Force Extra cab SR five with the TRD package,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: which would include the rear locker and a manual transmission,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: if you could, that'd be the Scotti spec. Yeah, white
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: truck extra cab seventeen. And I'm looking at this tird
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: off road. But here's what I want to talk about.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I just tried to buy a Tundra TIERD pro. Okay,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: they end up being I think they're sixty nine thousand
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: and change in SRP. But here's the problem. Dealer markup.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: And this is something that is seriously going to affect
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: this New Tacoma. Obviously know a lot of people are
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: interested in them. It is a significant upgrade, so there's
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: going to be a lot of interest. These days pretty standard.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: If there's interest in the truck, you're looking anywhere from
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: a five to fifteen thousand dollars markup. I wouldn't it
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: wouldn't surprise me if the first ones on the lot,
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: you know, in southern California are even selling for more
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: of that.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: So this is where I want to go.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: Why I like the Tierty off Road is you're probably
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: not going to pay a dealer markup on a Tierty
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: off Road. The Tierdy Pro, the trail Hunter, you know,
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: they're going to be more expensive. Pricing, to be very clear,
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: has not been released yet, but to me, these seam
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: like trucks that are going to be in the high
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: fifties low sixties range by looking at you know, competitive
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: comparisons where the current vehicle is priced, So you know,
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: at high fifties, low sixties for this trail Hunter. Cool, great,
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: but it's really gonna be probably seventies or eighties. And
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: that is just a reality of where we are right now.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: At what point to do, like consumer advocacy groups come
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: in and put some pressure on these dealers. I mean,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: they're just so bad. Well, they're just abusing consumers. It's
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: not Toyota's fault. Toyota sets the ambasar my Toyota dealer. Like,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, cool.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: You know they told me twenty five hundred to thirty
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: seven hundred oversticker was their local singing. I'm like okay, cool,
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: Like I'm fine with that, and then I get the
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: out the door price and you know there's a ten
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars thing thrown on there in a two thousand
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: dollars tint package and of this and a that and whatever,
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: and it's like it's predatory. I mean like buying a
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: car from a new car dealer ninety five percent of
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: the time. Really really, it's like there's so many pain points,
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: that's so many different things, and then there's not even
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: the interest.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: It's almost like it's their tactic. They abuse you so
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: much that you finally.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: I would love to just go online and be because
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: you're everybody's building trucks these days anyways, because of the
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: lead time, so you get exactly what you want. You know,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: cut the dealers out of it, like let them, let them,
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: let them service cars, because that's where they make their
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: money anyways. And you know, it's like the people that
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: couldn't become cell phone salesmen ninety nine percent of the
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: time become car salesmen.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Like there's great ones out there.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, you know, and there's great dealer experiences, like
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: like if you go to a Lexus dealer, you have
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: a different experience. Yeah, but it is fact you know,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Ford has been enforcing these pricing gouging, trying to no. No.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: The other truck I tried to go and buy was
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: a Tremor. You try and buy a tremor right now.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Twenty thousand dollars over sticker is what I was getting
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: out of Phoenix and the dealer here in Prescott. I
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: mean we're talking about the tremor. Yeah, it's got some
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: unique front springs and it's got tuned gas shock absorbers,
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: like I mean, there's maybe one thousand dollars of value
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: there and your charge winch. The winch is three nine
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: ninety nine dollars after market, got it fitted at the dealer,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: not on the assembly line. My point being is at MSRP,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: these vehicles can be great value. I think to have
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: it just all done is really really cool. And then
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: you make your little tweaks and stuff from there. But again,
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: how much of this stuff are you going to be
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: taking off?
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Anyways?
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: And then if you throw that five, ten, fifteen thousand
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: dollars dealer you know, added markup on there. Well, so
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: then do they do they actually become relevant? Because that
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: truck at seventy or eighty those like there's somebody that's
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: going to be driving a Tierty off road in the forties,
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: solidly equipped, and then you ask yourself, hmm, is it
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: worth thirty or forty thousand dollars extra? Because that's what
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: it ends up being. And again we don't know final numbers,
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: but if Toyota is listening, that's going to be a
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: pain point for consumers.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Well, and what we can do on the podcast because
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: of the size of the audience, If anybody knows of
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: a dealership that doesn't gouge their customers that sells at
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: MSRP for a Toyota dealership, let us know, Yeah, we'll
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: put it out there. We'll give that, we will gladly
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: support that dealership one hundred percent.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: And I think, you know, while I'm on my soapbox
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: looking at that Tundra Tierty Pro, I mean you could
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: like grab the front and grill and move it.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: It was so plastic key.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: So I really really hope that with the Tacoma they
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: have listened to their traditional customers who are saying, oh man,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: the styling and that's a little bit weird.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: The build quality is a little bit weird.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, for the first time we're seeing Toyota having
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: reliability issues when they launched it. How much of that
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: is just pandemic, supply chain chaos whatever, I don't.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Know, you know, yeah, any reliability issues to be a
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: short run for Toyota, I hope so.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but these vehicles are getting up there in price,
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: and again when you throw the reality of the current
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: market with these dealer adms, I hope that the build
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: quality is worth the squeeze. You know that they're asking
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: for price because you know, I know that a Gladiator,
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: for example, the build quality is actually really really good
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: on it. I know on that, you know, the Chevy stuff,
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: the build quality has improved hugely, hugely, it's not a word,
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: but we'll see.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: And then they've also done well on some of the
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: reliability rankings ansonly.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, so people are people are nipping on the toes.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Interesting to see where it goes.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: But the Tacoma that we're looking at right here is
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm looking at the photo of it right now,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: it's just it's just, I mean, raise their intake. It
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: looks like a prince whose style rack on the top.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: It's like thirty three inch tall tires, skid plates, rock rails,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: lockers like sweet like everything seriously and seriously cool. You know,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: I do hope you're right, and I think this is
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: the way that I feel too. I really hope that
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: we can get that seventeen hundred pound payload extra cab. Yeah,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: SR five with a locker and a manual. Please, Toyota, like,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: give us the Scotti spec. That's what that's the truck
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: that I want.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: So let's let's go on to this TRD off Road.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: I'm going to read some of the specs from the sheet.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: It gets the IE Force engine as standards. So we
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: actually really haven't talked about the Force Max. Now U
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: seeing Tier off Road Tierty off Road you got it.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: Two hundred and seventy eight horsepower, three hundred and seventeen
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: pound feet of torque, and a manual transmission is available.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: To me, that's really exciting.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: I love the idea of a you know, kind of
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: that base Ta coma that's just charming and cool and
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: works and you can take it anywhere. You can get
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: the eye Force Max that obviously comes with the eight
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: speed automatic that gives you more power. That's three hundred
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: and twenty six horse power and four hundred and sixty
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: five pound feet of torque. It's worth noting you lose
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: a couple horsepower and a couple pound feet of torqu
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: when you go to a six feet and just a couple.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: It's not that big of a deal. It's probably tuning
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: related or something like that. TIERD off Road gets you
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: for the first time remote reservoir shocks. Bill Stein's Again,
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: for most people, that's kind of cool, but you're not
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: also then paying a bunch of money for you know,
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: the fox stuff if you don't need it. If you
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: don't need it, Although I will say if the Tierdy
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Pro and the Trail Hunter do come with those wider
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: front control arms and wider rear axle like that could
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: maybe steer me towards that those vehicles.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: But sometimes you don't. You just don't need the wheel
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: travel and you don't. I wouldn't with I wouldn't want
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: the or the.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Cause then you're you're talking full size truck in a
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: mid size platform, which is believe me, the amalgamation of
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: parts really cool. Available thirty three inch tires on the
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: TIERD off Road, I think that that's really cool.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: Seventeen inch wheels you can get them.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: On seventeen or eighteen's electronic rear locker, front stabilizer bar disconnected.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: But it just seems that to me. Yes, the trail
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Hunter is cool.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: The Tierdy Pro is just kind of a continuation of
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: a model that we already know. But this TIERD off
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Road has all of the exciting kind of elements to it.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Man, that's except for the only thing throws me off
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: is it just says double cab only, And it's like,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: can you get the TRD off Road in the extra cab?
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Well, right here it says double cab only.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, so like for me, for dog people
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: double cabs, that's the only consideration.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: My thought is can you just get can you just
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: option in the rear locker? Can you just like click
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: the option for the rear locker on an SR five?
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: So extra cab, I think it doesn't say it.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: So on the SR five it looks like the only
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: way that you can get the multilink rear suspensions of
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: the five link it's going to be a tun draw
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: lankers or esque is on the double cab. So I
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: do like that they're still offering the landscaping truck. Yeah,
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: you know, I think that that's really the truck I
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: want that's really I want the manual transmission SR five
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: extra cab seventeen in wheel. I mean, there's a huge,
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: a huge range of stuff here. There is pretty cool.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: It is, it's very cool, you know. And for the
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: pre Runner guys, there is a TRD pre Runner if
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: you're going to build it into a little a will
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: go fast truck on your own.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: And they did keep the leaf springs on that, which
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: is going to just be easier to get more travel
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: out of and cheaper to do so. With these multilink
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: coil rear ends, you're there's there's packaging problems on trying
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: to get too much. We'll travel out of it usually.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: But you know, I'm really excited about the engines that
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: that Like, was it a three leader V six that
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: they had three point five three point five it it
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: did its job, you know, in stock form, it was
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: pretty fuel efficient.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: It was literally the first gear in the automatic that
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: killed it. Yeah, once you're going, it was fine but fine.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm so excited that the aftermarket's huge for
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: the Tacoma and I like messing with stuff. Yeah, and
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: I can't help to think, but you know, cob or
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: some of these engine tuning companies, with Toyota being fairly
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: conservative two point four leaders producing two hundred and seventy
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: eight horsepower. Boy, yeah, imagine imagine some boltons that could
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: get you reliably thirty or forty horsepower, or you just.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Do the I force max and you're at three hundred
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: and twenty six horse power. That's crazy number. Those are
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: crazy numbers out of a mid size, crazy numbers.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess they have to because this EV
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: wave is coming. And you know, I mean look at
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: the Rivian like ye here to sixty and three seconds
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: or something, right, electric is just really quick.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: The one thing that I noted was with the with
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: the I force Max that the torque is nearly double
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: what the outgoing Atkinson cycle motor is. Yeah, that's incredible.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: It'll be good. And you know, the tacoma. We're obviously
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: really big here on sticking within that gross vehicle weight.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: We know through experience that that is where vehicles perform
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: the best.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Well, it just keeps you from getting in a bunch
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: of trouble if you get.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: In an accident.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: But people do overload the crop out of their tacoma's
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: historically speaking, they take it. Yeah, I mean, anytime you
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: see a slightly built Tacoma with a four wheel camper
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: on the back, they're probably you know, fifty to one
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: hundred percent over their GVWR and it just works. So
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: now we're getting in theory are redesigned, stronger chassis shared
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: with lancreas or Tundra, et cetera, more horsepower, more tork,
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: bigger breaks, bigger breaks, like all of these things.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: That they're addressing it handily addressing are feedback.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: I'm sure, I am.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: So glad that I don't have to make the Tacoma
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: the Buttom eye jokes anymore. Now, I don't know about
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Tacoma people. You know, they'll they're the nicest people.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: There's gonna there's gonna be a guy out there that's
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: gonna tell you about his isodynamic performance seats.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: And that'll be a new that'll be a new customer
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: to Toyota that was not like a traditional Tacoma buyer.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that'll be I mean, they're not making STIs anymore.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: So well, so let's talk about payload real quick. So
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: and towing. The maximum towing has now moved to sixty
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: five hundred pounds, which is it's going to meet the
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: needs of most towing requirements. It is less than some
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: of the competitions, so glad eaters. Yeah, seventy five hundred pounds.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: And then the it's super important to remember too that
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: towing capacity, payload capacity, like all of these things. While
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: we like them, they do actually inhibit a bit of
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: off road performance. You're telling that through larger rear axles
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: which have bigger ring in pinions, which means less final
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: ground clearance, you know, less article usual, less articulation payload,
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: and towing generally comes at spring the cost of a
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: higher spring rate, which sacrifices ride quality, articulation, all these things.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: So there is a sweet spot and full sized trucks
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: do exist. Yeah, you know, but we're not talking eight
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: hundred pounds of payload anymore. We're talking seventeen hundred punds
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: of payload. It's a big it's a big difference. And
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: for us, we have always established that our minimum like
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: expected payload out of a mid sized truck is sixteen
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: hundred pounds.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: And they've beat that. Toyota has beat it. They've they've
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: hit the numbers that we think are important. And yes,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: toe sixty five hundred pounds, and it says here that
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: the I Force Extra cab Grade maximum payload increases to
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: seventeen hundred and nine pounds on the TRD off road,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: which is really cool. That means four wheel drive. I
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: would think so, because otherwise they would call it the
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: TRD pre runner. So it says if you can get
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: a TRD off road at seventeen and nine pounds of payload, Like,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: good job, Toyota. That's really that's incredible. Like I want one.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: I know, it's weird. That's weird, I totally. I mean, yeah,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: maybe it'll just be like I bring it all back
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: to the white Tacoma.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: There's something so charming about the concept of the Tacoma.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: Reliable has a great residual value. I mean, speaking of
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: residual values, I don't know if you've looked at what
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: used tacomas are selling for right now. Oh yeah, like
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: people are retiring, people are retiring, Like Paul's going to
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: sell her Tacoma and she's going to go live in
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: Spain for twenty five years. Like I mean, we're talking
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: fifty thousand dollars used tacoma's with thirty forty, fifty sixty
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: thousand miles on and we're talking one hundred thousand mile
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: trucks for thirties and forties and they're not that much less.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: I should say, yeah, no if you want to, but
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: that that's why we're seeing the dealer mark cut. You
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: know again, I think trail Hunter, it's so cool to
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: I'm just going to read this out loud on toti's
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: press release. All new trail Hunter is a factory developed
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: overlanding rig built from the ground up with the latest
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: integrated off road equipment from airb old Men, EMU and Rigid.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: That's really cool to see Anatoyota press release, no doubt,
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: because this is historically like a company that has been
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: very conservative and you know, kind of gave everybody what
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: they needed, not what they wanted. Now we have a
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: Tacoma that has needs and wants covered.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, Matt Scott just says he wants one. So's
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: that's amazing.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: We'll see.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, I love the idea of a small little truck.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: Is trucks are getting so big that they're getting really
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: really hard to park. I mean, if you drive it
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: every day, you'll know what I'm talking about, Like try
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: and parking f two fifty.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're the real deal. They're big.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Well, but then all vehicles are getting so big now
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: due to crash safety and people just want bigger stuff,
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: and we're in this huge economic boom, you know, coming
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: off of it. Ever, whatever we want to say, the
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: parking spaces haven't gotten anywatter.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: And it's really cool to you know.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: Again, I'm looking at this trail Hunter and I'm like, boy,
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: how great would that be to literally buy that throw
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: like an AT camper on there from it from AT
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Overland and just go like you don't have to modify,
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Like it even has twelve O in the Yeah, it's
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: ready to go in the bed already.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's ready to go. Super cool.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: But it's the Team off Road that is actually the
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: one that I think is oh yeah, And I'm looking
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: at it and I'm like the thirty threes. You know,
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: it's got it's got some skod plates, the front swaybar disconnect,
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: it's got a lot of the gadgets with that multi
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: train select that honestly I don't really pay that much
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: attention to. Boy that that seems like a really great
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: kind of realistic option. Yeah, that should be pretty popular.
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: What do you see for potential downsides cons I'm worried
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: about build quality, to be honest. A lot of the
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: touch points on the on the new Toyota truck stuff
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: just I hope that they're meeting the competition in that area.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: I know you can't have everything, but the build quality
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: on the ton that I was looking at wasn't I know,
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: it's going to run forever. Like there's a difference between
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: like reliability and build quality, Like Toyotas.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Never durability, reliability and build quality are all three different things.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm worried about the build quality on this
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: because you know, the last generation Tundra was very basic,
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: but it worked and it didn't rattle, and it didn't squeak,
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: and when you slam the door, you were slamming a.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Door even two hundred thousand miles litter here.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: So a lot of the plastics and things that Toyota
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: has been using lately, Like I can't help but compare
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Tundra to this. There's chassis similarities and it's kind of
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: that new design language was brought in with Tundra. I
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: hope that the build quality is there. Again, I think
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: we should make a trip. We should get a Tacoma
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: and drive it to the manufacturing plant in Juanawato, Mexico.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: I think we should just get the nod Nod wink
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: wink from Toyota pr and let us drive it down
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: to Old Mexico check out the plant for ourselves in person.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: It's also an airplane.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: You can meet me. You can meet me there. You
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: can meet me there. Kidding, it'd be a really fun drive.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: It would be a really Yeah.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: Again, I think I think any other things, it's going
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: to be the dealer markups on these.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, particularly in the Trail Hunter.
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: I think it's really cool, but I think you have
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: to consider you know, it's kind of like the joke.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: I'm going to use the Raptor as the example. When
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: the Raptor first came out, Yeah, it was really cool,
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: but you know, there was definitely the skeptics that were like, oh, well,
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: you're paying ten or fifteen thousand dollars more for shocks,
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: wheels and tires, and then people were paying on top
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: of that dealer markups, and then you know it's like, Okay,
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: it was worth it at the MSRP price increase, but
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: will it be worth it at the actual selling price.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: That would be my concern. And again that's not Toyota,
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: that's just total car dealers. Yeah, maybe we can just
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: get rid of them.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: So there's been some efforts, yeah, for sure, and again
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: there's there's good ones out there. But and that's the
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: problem that the dealerships are going to have. Eventually they'll
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: put themselves out of business because you can only abuse
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: people for so long before finally consumers say that's enough.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: Again with the with the Tundra, with the added you know,
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: adms and stuff that they're putting onto it for the
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Tierdy pro. I don't know if I'll follow through, but
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: I just went. I was so frustrated. I went and
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: I put a deposit down on a Ribbean because it's
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: there's so much more truck there for actually the same
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: amount of money.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Like and you get the experience of like it can
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: be delivered here to the office. Yeah, and it's done,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: and I don't and they'll walk you through the true trauma,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: like I don't have to get forced into the finance
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: office where like another weirdo is going to try and
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: fleece me for five points over their buy rate.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, car dealers do that.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: So if you're getting like a five percent interest rate,
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: there's probably two or three points that are on the
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: table that they're making.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: So there's just all of these peops. When you buy
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: a Rivian, you actually talk to a banker at Chase. Yeah,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: it's like an actual bank yeah point.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: So I think that that'll be a downside, but I
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: don't think we know enough yet. I'm seeing a lot
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: of positive here on this vehicle. I applaud Toyota for
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: listening to the market, and yeah, it's going to be
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: it's going to come down to build quality.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: For me. The only thing that I can find so far,
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: because there's some unanswered questions around some packaging, but it's
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: the eighteen inch wheel on the trail Hunter. So that
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: also comes back to your recommendation around the TRD off
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: road as opposed to the TRD off road pro the
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: eighteen inch wheel, that's not a benefit in my mind.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Now you can get a seventeen but the pros we
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: can still get a manual transmission to Coma. How amazing
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: is that in twenty twenty four there's going to be
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: a six speed manual to Cooma is still available. Turbo
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: charge Yeah, what a miracle. Yeah, just a cool little engine.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: And I do like turbo motors a lot. In these
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: turbo gas mode.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: Where it's where and how they make their power, which
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: is down low, which is how you are actually using
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: it on.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: The street's right and on the trail.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: That's right. They've completely addressed the power issue from the
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: last model in both the fact that they've added two
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: gears to the automatic, so it's going to have to
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: have a lower first gear because that was the achilles
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: heel of the other one. So it's going to be
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: way better loaded up or pulling a trailer or whatever
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: because it makes way more power and it has two
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: more cogs yep in it. So a bunch of different
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: engine options. We only had one engine before that. Now
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: we got three different motor options depending on what you
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: want to get. And then sway our disconnect.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so Sabar disconnect is a bigger deal than people think. Yeah,
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: it just makes a huge difference. Historically that has been
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: reserved for the Gladiator. Sorry for the rubicons. It is
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: on the Gladiator, and it's on the Wrangler. Now it's
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: on the four ye Grand Cherokee trail Hawk. It really
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: does make a difference, Like you're just cruising down a
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: dirt road and you turn that off, You're going to
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: have somebody in the backseat go, what did you just do? Yeah, truthfully,
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: I did not expect to see that.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: When I was reading through the spec I'm thinking, this
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: is unbelievable, because Toyota is normally incremental. You see incremental
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: improvements from them. They already make a great vehicle, then
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: they ecremental incrementally improve it. This is literally, like Toyota said,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: we're either going to have to address this competition which
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: is coming at us rapidly, or we're going to face
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of market share loss. And they addressed it.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: And everybody in the last couple of weeks has showed
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: their cards. I'm not saying that Toyota is going to
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: come on top, but there is there is this gut
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: feeling within me that if you have the Ranger raptor
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: you have the Colorado, and you have this tierty pro
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: trail Hunter, I like the split from Toyota, but let's
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: just say those things, you put them all out there.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: There's there's something of the history and legacy of reliability
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: and simplicity that Toyota has that would truthfully lead me
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: to choose the Toyota product over the GM or the
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Ford product. Sure, because again, like we said, like we've
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: been in so many sketchy places in the world, and
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: when you're in a sketchy place in the world, you
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: grab the Toyota.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to, you want it to make the
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: starting noise. Yeah. But what'll be interesting is not that
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: the others won't be great options. To your point, none
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: of this stuff has proven out yet, but Toyota does
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: have the legacy of reliability that we should be able
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: to continue to see. The one thing that'll be interesting though,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: is like within moments, we're going to see now the
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: bison Aevah Colorado on thirty fives within with jounces like
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: hydraulic jounces, and when she's just crazy and that's crazy
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: true the vehicle to compare to the trail Hunter, Yeah,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: which is where it then kind of ends up a
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: little bit more Toyota, where it is a little bit
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: more conservative. But just looking AM's credit, they went wild.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: But look at it, I mean, just look at the
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: fact that we can get a glad eater. Look at
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: the fact that we can get a thirty five inch
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: tire on an AEV equipped Colorado with front and rear lockers,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: multimatic suspension, hydraulic jounces. Like this is nutty territory and
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: the Tacoma is now like playing in nutty territory.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Thirty three inch tires. Yeah, and on the big horsepower numbers.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: You can get similar torque in the four hundreds, but
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: without a hybrid system. That's true, So that'll be interesting
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: to see.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's gonna be fun.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: You know, we saw so much competition go into the
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: full size space. We love full sized trucks, but they
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: have size limitations, you know, for the way a lot
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: of people are going to use their vehicles in North
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: America as this kind of rock crawling with roof tent
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: kind of thing that overlanding is kind of pushing towards.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: This is really an interesting vehicle totally. And nice job Toyota. Yeah,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: like this was fun to talk about. Yeah, I'm person
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: to make fun of just make fun of me often.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: I like this. Well there's plenty of things that make
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: fun of me about though. Yeah, well start with my barber.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, that was so fun to talk about
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: the new Tacoma. We thank you all for listening, and seriously,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: if somebody knows a Toyota dealer out there that is
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: not gouging customers, please let us know. We'd love to
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: share that widely with all of you, and until then,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: we'll talk to you next time.