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HEADLINES: Wikipedia Sends The Bill, RAMaggedon, and Grandma’s Gold Phone Only Exists in Spirit · Nonsense with cj little and Jeff Parker

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  Look, I know you're Swedish and I don't want to extrapolate all
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  of my current anger at the Swedes on you if.
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  You do the sound of the Swedish Chef right now.
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  I put a punch in your throat. But I went, oh, it's so hard not
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  to, so hard not to. Please tell me something about a
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  flat. Pack.
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  But I went yes, yes see you know, I went to buy some IKEA
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  stuff. I bought 3 IKEA things.
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  They call it click and collect, which is their cute way of
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  saying pick up. You get there and it's all in a
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  cart ready to go. And that was lovely.
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  And one of the boxes had some tape on it.
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  And I was like, that's weird because usually their boxes are
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  all perfect. They come out-of-the-box
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  factory. They're all perfect.
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  Yeah. And I peel the tape back and
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  look and, and there's like a gouge in the cardboard.
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  And they were super kind, like, we're sorry, we missed it.
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  No problem. They gave me a new one.
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  OK, cool. I bought some other stuff.
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  I went down, I unloaded it all into the car.
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  I brought it home. I unloaded it from the car into
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  the house. And then I started putting it
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  together. So then I get to the third one,
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  which is like a little bookshelf, and I open it up.
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  They stabbed the damn thing with a forklift.
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  Oh, yeah. And the whole bottom was
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  completely like, like destroyed. Didn't check the box before you
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  left. The store see they didn't check
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  and I didn't check it because they gave it to me.
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  I picked it up off the shelf. Well, you're right, you are
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  correct, it is my. Fault.
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  No, I'm not blaming you. I'm blaming your people.
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  I'm blaming your people in, in whole.
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  Because apparently that works at IKEA is also Swedish.
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  Yeah. So I'm gonna bring it back.
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  I'm gonna point to it and I'm gonna tell them very sternly.
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  Yeah. Work work, Work, work work.
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  That's it, I quit. And if they ask any following
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  questions, I'm going to. I'm leaving.
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  That's all I'm going to do. That entire transaction is going
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  to happen with me only acting as the Swedish Chef the whole time.
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  Our last episode. See what happens?
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  Quiet, please. Nice seeing you.
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  All and I'll get some meatballs on the way out.
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  It'll be great. Four, I'll bring you some if you
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  want. Three, bring the meatballs.
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  I do like the meatballs 2. Company presents a truly
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  terrible podcast. Welcome to nonsense season 4,
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  episode 4. I'm Jeff Parker.
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  I'm still This is our take on the week's business, tech and
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  entertainment headlines. This time, Wikipedia enlists
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  Meta, Microsoft, and Amazon to fund the future of knowledge.
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  Oh, great. If it's anyone I want to entrust
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  with all of humanity's knowledge, it's gonna be those
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  guys. Too bad Toys-R-Us and Red
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  Lobster out of business. They would have been better.
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  Steward how the AI hunger for RAM is starving the rest of the
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  PC market. Oh man, it's bad.
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  I saw a guy out in front of Best Buy yesterday with a sign that
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  said we'll work for Ram. But RAM will not work for you.
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  No, No unchecked power. Lawmakers demand FTC action on
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  Trump's No Show phone. Made in the USA?
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  No, we meant delayed in the USA or.
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  Charade in the USA also our big story later this week, vaporware
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  products that will change your life.
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  Maybe grab a chair because the future has been just six months
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  away since 1997, but. Maybe one day, maybe, I don't
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  know. We'll see.
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  Speaking of vaporware, how's your week going?
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  Hey. Now I can hear you sitting right
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  across from you. Yeah, I don't know if you know
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  this or not, but it is January, which in Los Angeles means it's
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  summertime. Yes.
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  And it's been lovely. The weather has been incredible.
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  We sort of got our rainy couple of weeks out of the way.
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  So now I've been getting outside as much as I can because, you
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  know, it's always terrible in Southern California, have to be
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  inside for a whole 2 weeks straight and then immediately
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  back outside because it's 78°. It was like in the 80s last
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  week. It was crazy.
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  We had the Rose. Parade so we had to have I know
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  weather I. Know they're like, well I'd warm
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  it up again. Southern California rises to the
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  occasion of the Rose Parade every the.
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  Winter is really some of the best all the times in Southern
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  California. The best.
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  This is why everybody hates us. But to one of the any reasons?
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  Anyway, been outside a bunch. I've been doing, I do these
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  interview sessions with my dad, which are really fun.
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  So we had those outside to do that.
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  I have been running around the park with the kids, which is
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  great. They have these, these little RC
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  gliders. Have you seen these?
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  They're like Styrofoam gliders. I have seen they have one desk.
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  Yeah, they're really cool. It doesn't have like like any,
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  any elevation control on it. It's just two little tiny
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  motors. But oh sure, they are a blast
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  and it's easy for them. And of course, they were having
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  so much fun and they're so excited as I was telling them to
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  settle down a little, get a little high and then immediately
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  got it stuck in a 50 foot tree and then looked at me to climb
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  up there and get it. And I was like, no, Daddy will
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  order you another one on Amazon. Daddy is not climbing to the top
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  of that tree and falling to his death.
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  But it's really fun. They're super fun to play with
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  because they're really easy to fly.
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  And it's, it's just, it's really enjoyable.
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  I don't even have a child living at home and I doesn't.
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  Want to get one? Yeah, you can borrow my kids.
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  Yeah. The problem is the real problem
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  is this is going to be the gateway drug to other much more
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  expensive RC things. Yes, like my son has already
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  asked for a remote control Mig fighter plane and I was like,
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  sure, no, like maybe we'll get the glider version, but like I'm
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  not getting you the as soon as you have a Pelican case, you're
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  putting these things in. Oh, you've gone too far.
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  So. And by the way, upstairs I have
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  Pelican cases full of FPV drones.
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  Yeah, so much, man. I'm really close on those two.
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  Yeah, my kids a little too young for that.
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  I think they will be ramming them into stuff, but they're
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  gonna be very close to FPV drones very soon.
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  So yeah, we might be might be borrowing Uncle Jeff's FPV
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  drones and flying them around. Was during the pandemic, yeah.
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  We would have races around the border of the the house, the
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  property, and it was so much fun.
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  We bet that we have very, very long driveway.
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  Yeah, that is straight. And so we'd get up as much speed
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  as we possibly could and then just go right over the gate
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  where the car was, come in and out.
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  The gate was closed. You couldn't see around it.
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  So we just go right over the gate.
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  We had about 30 feet of sidewalk that we had to navigate.
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  And you'd cross your fingers nobody was out taking a walk.
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  Sure, because we're doing 70 miles an hour coming at them
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  with an FPV total. So you really, really hope no
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  one's there when that happened. Was really fun.
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  And as they'd like to say, one of the best strategies is hope.
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  You really want to just rely on hope that someone's not there.
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  I think the drones weighed all of you know, maybe 80g or so
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  they weighed sure you you would barely notice it, but it came at
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  you really fast. F equals MA, so if you have a
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  small M that's great, but when the A gets really big, the F is
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  still pretty big. Be careful what you say.
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  About my M there how dare. You I was I'm watching your a.
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  How's your week going? And I think it's just gotten
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  better. My week is going fantastic.
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  We are recording a little bit early this week.
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  Yeah, because there's a football game that is going to be right
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  in the time zone. I normally record this program.
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  So we're a little ahead this week.
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  Sure. One Indiana 15 and 0 versus #10
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  Miami IN's looking to complete a perfect 16 and O season and
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  secure their first ever national title under Kurt Signetti.
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  Meanwhile, Miami is playing in their home stadium, seeking
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  their sixth national championship in their first
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  since 2001. Well, that's.
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  Exciting. Oh man, I cannot wait.
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  I am hearing now from people who are like nascent players who are
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  saying Indiana's not no underdog story because it paid for its
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  players. It paid lots of $14 million or
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  something like that. But all the schools had that nil
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  money. If you look at the amount of nil
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  money they had, they were best 12th in their spending.
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  Wow. So it's still an underdog story.
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  Sure, well, less of an underdog at 12th, but it's still you're
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  not number one we. Weren't even close to #1 in the
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  top slots. Those schools double what
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  Indiana was spending. Sure, now Indiana's going to get
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  a lot of donors now because the the program is good.
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  Everybody loves the winner. Yeah, they started to get donors
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  this season because they were good The previous season even
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  though they were working with about $0.16 worth of NIL money
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  at the time because they just didn't have the donor base.
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  Her Signetti is the first coach in Division One history to start
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  10 and oh in back-to-back seasons at two different
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  schools. The 1st at James Madison 2023
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  and then Indiana in 2024. Before 2024 IU had 0010 win
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  seasons in 125 years of football and just two years under
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  Signetti they have secured 210 plus win seasons.
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  In November 2025, Indiana secured its first ever win at
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  and state and he got zero 25 all time Rd. drought.
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  That's that's good, right? That they ended the drought.
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  I think that's good, yes. I'm not a sports.
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  Guy no No To start the 2024 season 24/7 sports ranked.
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  I use roster talent as the third lowest in the Big 10.
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  Oopsies. They finished that year at #10
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  in the country. They got knocked out in the
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  first round of the playoffs by Notre Dame.
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  Oh yeah, love those guys. Here's something that I think
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  pretty much everybody knows and it just it took me a while to
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  catch up to and it was like this epiphany moment.
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  I used to think that the folks that do these rankings and
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  especially like the forecasts, like, like, yeah, the folks make
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  the sports books. I was like, oh, they must know
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  what they were. Saying about the data.
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  No, really I'm no, they really, I thought it was like a weather
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  forecast and they're like, oh, we think it's gonna look like
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  this. And then once you sort of.
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  Realized cast before we had computers and before we had
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  satellite. All you're trying to do is
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  figure out how do you get half the people on one side and half
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  the people on the other? It's just a bellwether, whatever
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  current sentiment is. And I think this what you're
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  talking here with IU, it's such a great instance of that, right?
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  Everyone was like, no, IU, no, they've always been terrible.
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  They're always gonna be terrible, sure.
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  And it was like those rankings. After an amazing season last
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  year, they were still saying they were gonna be there gonna.
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  Be 10. That was a fluke last year.
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  So yeah, this, this really just highlights how bad those things
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  are, I think. It's an impossible task to
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  actually predict the future in the games.
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  Anything can happen. Boy oh boy, over the course of a
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  season you realize how wrong they can be.
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  Absolutely. 2025 Big 10 Championship win over Ohio State
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  through 18.3 million viewers, making it the most watched
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  conference title in history. 18 million of those viewers hated
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  Ohio. That probably.
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  Is true, can pretty much guarantee.
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  Only 300,000 were were in Ohio, no. 3000 were incarcerated but
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  the 18,000,000. They definitely hated Ohio.
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  Pretty sure. I have been getting all of the
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  possible Indiana gear. Oh yeah, Edison Bowl got your
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  Indiana overalls. I'm not.
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  No, no, I'm not buying got. Your Indiana pink fork.
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  To me by it's being sent to me by friends and listeners to this
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  podcast. How have I not done this?
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  Oh man, I'm gonna get you. I'm not.
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  A gear guy. I, I have one Indiana sweatshirt
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  that I wear and other than that, I'm I'm not a sure Indiana guy.
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  I would talk one more thing about football.
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  Only one more We still have 40. Minute, right, Go ahead.
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  Bob Chesney, the new coach for UCLA, They keep equating him to
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  like being the next Kurt Signetti.
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  And then there's something to that.
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  They both came from James Madison.
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  Both had pretty successful records.
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  The thing they keep saying about Bob Chesney and I, and I have
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  high hopes for UCLAI honestly do as AUSC graduate, I have high
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  hopes for UCLA football because it's going to be 6 more years
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  before USC can field a football team.
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  OK. All right.
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  So you just want a local OK? I would like college football to
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  exist in Los Angeles, and my only hope now is is UCLA.
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  But everybody keeps saying Bob Chesney.
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  He's like Kurt Signetti. He can start from nothing and he
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  can make a program. And it actually isn't true.
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  He inherited Kurt Cignetti's program at James Madison.
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  OK yes USI am a strong USC supporter.
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  I really hope this works out for UCLAI have high high hopes for
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  UCLA. May I ask one question?
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  Yes. Why 'cause I don't have USC
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  football. There's no USC football I would
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  rather. Sit in the dark than watch UCLA
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  win a football game. What I don't understand.
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  I don't want them to ever win anything ever again.
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  Football in Los Angeles. How could you possibly want UCLA
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  to you're like, Oh, well, I guess if I no, no, oh.
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  Full stop. Forget it.
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  We got six years of sitting on the bench now.
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  Let's actually go to USC. Very Wait, you go to the
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  University of South Carolina? Is that the USC that you went
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  to? I've ever actually never checked
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  your diploma. I feel like I just beat a
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  historian on the case on this. More importantly, check my mail
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  and see how many fundraising Oh yeah, getting from USC.
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  Yeah. But they'll send that to
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  anybody. They don't care.
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  Warm body. Yeah.
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  Oh, you're in that zip code 0. We're gonna send you the big
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  packet. Exactly.
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  No, I understand. Yeah.
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  I mean, Indiana's gotten the short end of the stick the
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  entire year. Really.
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  The past couple years, Yeah. But here's the thing, yeah,
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  assuming that they win the championship game and again,
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  listener, we don't know. We are, we don't know, just
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  ahead of the game beginning, we do.
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  But assuming they win the the championship game, especially
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  they win by like a large margin, then I think they've got a
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  really good case to be considered ranked number one for
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  the year. Yeah, they're still probably
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  more going to be like a #2 or #3 team considering how how good
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  Ohio State and Alabama look. But, you know, I think they'll
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  do. Not fairly, yeah.
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  In the sports rankings, you, you just give them.
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  I would love even, even though they've beaten every team
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  they've played. Clearly being a smart ass, but I
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  would like to see them win the national champion ship.
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  Then the AP poll be like, Oh yeah, they're ranked third now.
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  Like Oh yeah sorry. That would be fantastic.
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  The whole beginning of the year. The whole.
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  Year they were. Just like so low and it was
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  like, oh wow, I'm not seeing this.
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  Are we watching the same game? Yes.
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  No, I'm very excited. I hope Bloomington gets it done
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  You. And me both.
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  Let's get to our headlines. Let's do it.
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  Wiki gets paid, AI gets smarter. Everyone forgets to celebrate 25
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  years of typos. The Wikimedia Foundation has
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  secured major API licensing deals with Microsoft, Meta,
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  Amazon, Perplexity and Mistral, forcing AI giants to pay for the
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  data they once for free. I should mention Google has been
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  paying for it since 2022. I.
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  Believe well, good for. Google, everyone else is just
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  just joining the program, just catching up.
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  And Google has been writing checks, thankfully.
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  I mean, because it's a great thing as AI bots now account for
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  65% of expensive infrastructure requests.
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  These commercial agreements via Wikimedia Enterprise aimed to
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  offset soaring technical costs. While Wikipedia remains free for
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  the public or for the cost of a coffee at Starbucks, they say
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  the foundation is battling an 8% drop in human traffic caused by
• 12:20
  AI chat bots. That summarize content without
• 12:22
  sending readers to the site. Founder Jimmy Wales argues that
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  if AI models want to train on human curated data rather than
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  angry social media feeds, they must pay their fair share.
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  The move marks a critical pivot from a donation only model to
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  AB2B data powerhouse. I think generally this is a good
• 12:37
  thing. Yeah.
• 12:38
  You certainly run the risk now of maybe they start to kowtow to
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  the folks that are writing them a check to do things
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  differently. I don't think that's going to
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  happen. I really don't.
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  I say why I think that's not going to happen in my last
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  sentence is a little bit misleading, I think.
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  I want to make sure I'm really clear the donors are still
• 12:53
  paying the vast majority of the freight.
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  Absolutely not for these companies.
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  But I suspect there's two things happening here.
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  One, sort of paying for the fair share.
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  I I appreciate. But also they're making a more
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  efficient process by which to get this data as opposed to
• 13:04
  scraping it through individual requests.
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  Like, Right. Just give them a tar GZ vial and
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  move on. That should be.
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  They are. That's exactly what they're
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  gonna be. Yeah.
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  So. And and I'm always a big fan of
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  efficiency. If you're gonna do it anyway,
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  let's do it efficiently. So that that seems to be the
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  case here. This is should be a good thing.
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  I mean, since Wikipedia has everything, right?
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  I mean, they have it least the the the high level, Yeah,
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  understanding, knowledge of everything.
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  This seems like a great place to.
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  Start a beautiful repository of knowledge that has really good
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  editing. I mean, everybody always
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  thought, well, this is just gonna be the garbage
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  encyclopedia. Yeah, even when my kid was in
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  high school, which wasn't that many years ago.
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  Yeah, he's a sophomore now in college.
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  When he was in high school, one of the first things that
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  teachers would always tell them is you can't use Wikipedia as a
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  source. I'll be curious to see this is a
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  bit of a digression. I'll be curious to see when
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  academic institutions start to allow citing AI as source.
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  Oh, that's interesting. That's.
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  Going to be interesting. You had a lot of hurdles with
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  getting that done now with maybe.
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  Never. Oh, I don't know.
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  I'm not going to say never. Yeah, I mean, right now you can
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  still get data. You'd have to cite which AI you
• 14:02
  use well, but you could just say I add generally.
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  Yeah, but it's also it's also not discreet nor deterministic.
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  So like it could say something there the next time you don't
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  really know. That's interesting.
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  Where? And now you could argue that a
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  link to Wikipedia page requires a snapshot in time, right?
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  If you're, if you're writing something, if you're writing a
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  paper and you want to cite something from Wikipedia, if you
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  cite the URL, that URL could change.
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  So in a similar sense, you can think of it as not being
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  deterministic. Doesn't it doesn't change often?
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  Of course, but but certainly, let's say some major event
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  happens, let's say there's some major data that comes to light,
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  They would update the Wikipedia link that could substantially
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  change what you wrote about a month ago, a year.
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  Ago you can also see the history.
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  I don't know if you ever looked. At you can see the revision
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  history. Yes, that's what I'm saying.
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  That's that's really. Cool.
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  Which is I think if you cite the URL and the date, which I don't
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  think most people do, but you could maybe infer it from the
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  date of the paper or whatever the the the source material is.
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  Then at least you can get back to it.
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  There is no version of this for AI that I know of.
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  Yeah. Not only only over time, but
• 14:55
  also just the same instance. If you ask the same question
• 14:57
  over and over, you're going to get slightly different answers.
• 14:59
  So it's really interesting to think about how that's going to
• 15:01
  happen. I do think the day is coming
• 15:03
  right now. You can kind of cheat because
• 15:05
  you've got this, this rag model behind it where you can you can
• 15:08
  point to, oh, the AI told me this, but really it came from
• 15:11
  this source. Yeah.
• 15:12
  And if you can be bothered to click on the link and read it,
• 15:13
  then you can say OK, yeah, you know, here's the Wikipedia
• 15:15
  source of the game through. But I digress.
• 15:17
  Net, net. I think this is a good thing for
• 15:18
  for Wikipedia, for the LMS, and for humanity at at large.
• 15:23
  I agree. Oh good, we're on the same page.
• 15:24
  They never said how much the amounts were that companies were
• 15:26
  each kicking in. 1990. Nine, we don't know numbers on
• 15:29
  that dollars is that. Right.
• 15:30
  No, I have no idea. I'm assuming it is a let's make
• 15:32
  this more efficient so it costs you less and let's pay you a
• 15:35
  little scratch. The somebody talked about this
• 15:36
  quite some time ago about doing like distributed backups of
• 15:40
  Wikipedia of really not just Wikipedia, but of all knowledge
• 15:43
  sources that are sort of these open source knowledge sources so
• 15:46
  that they can never be erased from the world.
• 15:48
  I think it's a great idea. Ramageddon when silicon ghosts
• 15:51
  drive up prices. The 2026 hardware market is
• 15:53
  spiraling as an AI driven memory shortage expands from RAM into
• 15:56
  GPU's, SSDs and hard drives. With DDR5 prices up 400%,
• 16:01
  manufacturers are now prioritizing high margin
• 16:04
  hardware to maximize profit per chip.
• 16:06
  Mid range sweet spot components are the primary victims.
• 16:08
  The RTX 5070 TI faces potential extinction as makers shift
• 16:12
  silicon to more expensive models, driving St. prices 50%
• 16:15
  above MSRP. Meanwhile, high capacity storage
• 16:18
  is vanishing, with two terabyte SSDs doubling in price since
• 16:22
  late 2025. Even mechanical hard drives are
• 16:24
  seeing steady price hikes as supply chains tighten.
• 16:27
  For PC builders, the message is clear.
• 16:28
  The AI taxes arrived making 4K gaming and high speed storage a
• 16:32
  luxury few can afford. So we've mentioned this before
• 16:35
  on the show. I made a very broad and and what
• 16:38
  I believe to be inaccurate assumption that most of this
• 16:40
  margin was being gobbled up at the retail level.
• 16:43
  Like you had retailers that were scooping this up or distributors
• 16:45
  that were like, oh, there's more demand.
• 16:47
  It looks like it's all the way back to the manufacturing side.
• 16:49
  Certainly with GPU's, because they can.
• 16:50
  Oh yeah, for sure. Where they use where they spend
• 16:52
  their allocation of rent. Thank you for asking that.
• 16:54
  We're saying that I, I mean, specifically talking about RAM.
• 16:56
  I assumed RAM was all the middle layer and the manufacturers
• 16:59
  weren't seeing much of that gain.
• 17:00
  Yeah, it looks like that is not the case.
• 17:02
  It looks like they actually are seeing a significant part of the
• 17:04
  gain here. And you go, well, how how is
• 17:06
  this not some sort of RAM cabal? Right?
• 17:09
  Like, it just, we've seen this before.
• 17:10
  It seems like there's some modicum of price fixing.
• 17:12
  The good news for the consumers really that are paying these
• 17:15
  higher prices is that there's likely no one in this
• 17:17
  administration that's gonna care at all about this.
• 17:19
  So if there is price fixing, who who's gonna jump?
• 17:22
  On No one's gonna dig in and find out, by the way, It's so
• 17:24
  bizarre. Memory is one of those things
• 17:26
  that's not that complex to make. Yeah.
• 17:28
  It seems like if you had the capability of making RAM chips,
• 17:31
  now would be the time you would dial up production big time.
• 17:34
  Yeah. And that doesn't seem to be
• 17:35
  happening. Well, I think we're gonna see
• 17:37
  something similar we saw in the home automation market, right?
• 17:39
  I think the winner here is gonna be IKEA.
• 17:41
  I think you're gonna be going to IKEA and buying memory and it's
• 17:44
  gonna be like a Prius. Someone comes in a little flat
• 17:46
  box and then it comes and you, there's that little, that little
• 17:48
  amorphous guy with a soldering iron showing you how to put it
• 17:50
  together, and you just put it together.
• 17:52
  I want to see some memory that doesn't come in a flat.
• 17:54
  Box comes pre assembled. You're like, what?
• 17:56
  Really. How does it look like that?
• 17:57
  I don't know. I, from what I can tell, having
• 18:00
  been involved in this because I decided per your urging, yeah,
• 18:03
  to build a machine late last year for the first time in, I
• 18:05
  don't know, decades. Yeah.
• 18:07
  And then I, I watched these prices going up to the right and
• 18:09
  I'm like, what is happening right now?
• 18:10
  This is insane. And that was when it was cheap.
• 18:12
  It's gone up so much more since then.
• 18:14
  That's the irony. Like I I'm so cheap that I
• 18:16
  bought a pack of memory that I was like, I'm paying like 30 or
• 18:19
  40% more than what this stuff costs.
• 18:21
  A couple months ago, sure. So I just returned it.
• 18:23
  I didn't even know, but I returned it.
• 18:24
  I could have kept that and sold it for 4X at that mark which is
• 18:28
  in. Retiring.
• 18:29
  Well, but I mean, I'm not, I'm not mean like the memory
• 18:31
  arbitrage business, but sure, sure, somebody probably is
• 18:34
  somebody's probably sitting on hordes of this stuff and just I
• 18:36
  can't imagine there isn't someone who is doing that.
• 18:39
  Why wouldn't that's just sucking up all supply.
• 18:40
  Well, you don't know when the bottom's gonna fall out, right?
• 18:42
  What does demand look like? But you don't really ever know
• 18:44
  with most arbitrage situation. Of course, of course, yeah,
• 18:47
  Fairpoint, of course. But like DDR5 memory you said
• 18:49
  this in the in the the start of this headline DDR5 prices are up
• 18:52
  4X absolutely insane which is in crazy since like basically mid
• 18:56
  2025 S in the past 6-7 months 4. X It does seem amazing that
• 19:00
  someone else has not just popped up and gone into this business
• 19:02
  because it's so profitable now. The margins are so high on on
• 19:06
  DDR. Five, I'm assuming you've got
• 19:07
  some amount of time to to flip this over, but I got to believe
• 19:09
  there's a bunch of people trying to jump into the space.
• 19:11
  It does seem like there's a decent number of the cheaper off
• 19:15
  name brands that haven't seen the bump in price, which is kind
• 19:18
  of interesting to me. What does that mean?
• 19:20
  Like nobody's buying it. Or is it?
• 19:21
  Are they just not in the cabal? Like I don't know what what's
• 19:23
  going on. I don't.
• 19:24
  Know are people afraid because it's like, well, I don't I'm
• 19:26
  afraid I'm gonna say something pejorative now yeah, here goes
• 19:28
  are they afraid because it's sheep Chinese memory this is.
• 19:30
  One example where I don't need to be particularly racist.
• 19:33
  I just look at the non brands and go, I don't want that crap.
• 19:36
  I don't trust that crap to my storage needs, whether it's it's
• 19:40
  long term SSD storage or you mean long term or short term,
• 19:43
  you know, memory like like RAM. I want a brand.
• 19:45
  I want a name. The brand that I can trust
• 19:47
  behind it. Period.
• 19:48
  Full stop. I love that we are just so
• 19:50
  opposite of this. I could careless really if it
• 19:52
  tests out well, really if you can test and test and test this
• 19:55
  stuff and it works just as well, I don't really care what the
• 19:57
  brand. Is I don't have the patience or
• 20:00
  time to be wrong on this and usually the price differentials
• 20:04
  is low. You're talking about like 15%.
• 20:06
  I'm willing to pay that. What's small?
• 20:07
  Like that. I don't.
• 20:08
  I don't. Oh.
• 20:08
  Really now? No, no, no, no.
• 20:10
  Now, OK, I appreciate your view now saying like I'll still buy
• 20:12
  if it's. A forex difference then Yeah, go
• 20:14
  ahead and look dig into the testing.
• 20:16
  Let's find out. Still not there.
• 20:17
  Now I'm just buying abacuses because I don't even want
• 20:20
  anything to do with any of it. No, I, I I hear your point on
• 20:22
  it, that that is interesting. I've really can.
• 20:24
  Well, I guess I have considered because I'm not buying it.
• 20:26
  So I guess I'm still in the same place where I'm just like, no,
• 20:28
  I'm not gonna go buy super skills DDR5 memory.
• 20:32
  Like I want a name brand. I want a Corsair or something
• 20:36
  that has been around Crucial. Just don't care if it tests out
• 20:38
  well, I just don't care. I would.
• 20:40
  If anybody's listening from the great country of Sweden, I would
• 20:43
  buy IKEA memory. I just want to say that I will.
• 20:46
  Make great memory. I'm sure it'd be great.
• 20:48
  The assembly would be a be a pain, but it would be great.
• 20:50
  It would be great memory. What I don't understand is how
• 20:53
  manufacturer prices haven't already shot up, right?
• 20:56
  You you you've seen some increase.
• 20:58
  I don't know if you can attribute it to this, but how
• 20:59
  have manufactured PC prices not go?
• 21:01
  Up, well, they're going through their allocation of yeah, yeah,
• 21:04
  whatever the exact contract is, Yeah.
• 21:05
  Eventually that comes to an end though.
• 21:06
  You would think, but I would, I would have suspected by now 6 to
• 21:09
  8 months in on this, you'd already see those prices go up,
• 21:11
  but we haven't. I'm really glad that you got me
• 21:13
  to start making APC right at the start of the biggest increase
• 21:16
  we've seen in 20 years of component prices.
• 21:19
  So. I tried to get you to start
• 21:20
  before prices went. Out.
• 21:22
  You know what? Now they think about it, that
• 21:23
  tells me who the orchestrator is.
• 21:24
  You've controlled the market, haven't you?
• 21:26
  Got a room just full of DDR5 at your house?
• 21:28
  A room? No, no, no.
• 21:30
  That's what those 340 foot containers in your backyard are
• 21:32
  for. Exactly.
• 21:33
  And then you see like a mechanical hard drive.
• 21:35
  Spinny drives. Yeah, yeah.
• 21:36
  Spinny drives spinny media is also going up and not as much
• 21:40
  like you're seeing like 1520%, but still that stuff goes down
• 21:43
  to the right forever. It still requires a little bit
• 21:45
  of RAM. Well, let me choose my new
• 21:46
  computer that uses hard drives as memory storage.
• 21:48
  It's very slow. Yeah.
• 21:50
  I don't know what we're gonna do.
• 21:51
  I don't, I think if if you, unfortunately, if you really
• 21:53
  need any of this direct to consumer components, you have to
• 21:57
  just bite the bullet and pay right now.
• 21:58
  I don't know what choice you have.
• 21:59
  Sure, I want to watch your football.
• 22:00
  Someone move us forward. Yeah, please.
• 22:02
  So finally from the grift garage.
• 22:03
  Yeah, surprise. After six months of numerous
• 22:05
  delivery date extensions, Trump Mobile has yet to deliver one
• 22:09
  pre-ordered phone. Oh my shocked face.
• 22:11
  Look, this is it. Six months after its grandiose
• 22:14
  launch, Trump Mobile has yet to deliver a single T1 smartphone
• 22:17
  despite pocketing $100 pre-order deposits.
• 22:19
  Senator Elizabeth Warren and fellow Democrats are now
• 22:22
  demanding an FTC investigation into the company's deceptive
• 22:24
  practices, ranging from missed delivery deadlines to Duias.
• 22:27
  Made in the USA claims the probe faces a steep battle.
• 22:31
  President Trump has asserted direct control over independent
• 22:33
  agencies, and FTC Chairman Andrew Ferguson has signaled his
• 22:36
  loyalty to the White House. While customers receive
• 22:38
  contradictory excuses for delays, including an unrelated
• 22:41
  government shutdown, the company is currently selling refurbished
• 22:44
  foreign iPhones to fill the gap. With the T1 now allegedly slated
• 22:47
  for Q1 of 2026 release, the situation has become a critical
• 22:50
  test of whether the FTC can still police the president's own
• 22:53
  business interests. First of all, this is not a
• 22:56
  surprise. You can't announce a phone in
• 22:58
  June and be like, we're going to ship it in two months.
• 23:00
  Oh, by the way, we're gonna make it from scratch and it's gonna
• 23:03
  be made in the US and it's gonna be gold.
• 23:05
  Like even if they were announcing like a wooden train
• 23:08
  hand carved, like you can't get this thing in two months.
• 23:10
  There's just no way, let alone a phone.
• 23:12
  And then OK, then I like cuz I was alive during this time.
• 23:14
  We talked about it here on the show.
• 23:16
  Then when you see their pictures and, and, and, and not just me,
• 23:19
  the whole world was like, that's an iPhone that you went into
• 23:22
  Photoshop and made gold. Sure.
• 23:23
  And then like a week later they were like, no, no, no, no.
• 23:26
  That was just the mock up. This is our phone.
• 23:27
  Then it's a Samsung phone that they literally just made old and
• 23:31
  it's like, wow, this is the griftiest of grifs.
• 23:34
  So this, this letter is submitted last week.
• 23:37
  And I'm in my head thinking, man, they, they grifted a lot of
• 23:39
  money, right? Like they're taking $100
• 23:40
  pre-orders and then they're never gonna ship.
• 23:42
  Yeah. And I'm guesstimating in my head
• 23:43
  they took like 10s of thousands of orders.
• 23:45
  I was not gonna be surprised if they took like 25 or 30,000
• 23:49
  orders, which is a. Lot and just didn't ever show up
• 23:51
  on the phone. Right.
• 23:52
  That's like 3,000,000 bucks that they took as it turns out.
• 23:54
  Not even close. I was wrong because who wants to
• 23:56
  grift a couple 1,000,000 bucks? If you're gonna grift, go big or
• 23:59
  go home. 100,000 pre-orders. 600,000 pre-orders. $68,000,000
• 24:06
  in upfront cash collected by Trump Mobile since June 2025
• 24:09
  without a single device being shipped to customers that made.
• 24:13
  Elon Musk blush even he was like wow, you outdid me at my own
• 24:18
  game. Remember the roadster was like a
• 24:20
  45 or $50,000 deposit. This is the the roadster 2.0
• 24:24
  that is you know coming coming days away.
• 24:26
  What I am shocked that the Trump mobile didn't do that.
• 24:29
  I had forgotten that that Elon did with Tesla.
• 24:31
  Remember Elon had the referral program where if you referred
• 24:34
  like I think if you had 5050 some or 55 some referrals,
• 24:37
  confirmed referrals that bought Roadster twos, they would give
• 24:41
  it to you for. Free.
• 24:42
  Oh, OK. I've seen this movie before,
• 24:44
  right? I've seen the multi level
• 24:46
  marketing schemes before. Sure, they are extremely
• 24:49
  effective, right? They work.
• 24:51
  The good news is we typically have a governing body that
• 24:54
  operates to to keep our interests of at public in line.
• 24:58
  They're the federal what do they do?
• 24:59
  The, it's a Commission at the federal level for, for trade,
• 25:02
  Federal Trade, yeah, it's the Federal Trade Commission.
• 25:04
  I think they typically do a a great job.
• 25:06
  They did before they were staffed with sycophants.
• 25:08
  But yeah, the FTC. The once independent agency
• 25:11
  tasked with the mission of, quote, protecting the public
• 25:13
  from deceptive or unfair business practices.
• 25:16
  That's a really good mission. Yeah, I like protecting the
• 25:18
  public. You need somebody like that.
• 25:19
  Yes, especially for folks that might not be as sophisticated to
• 25:22
  understand what $100 phone pre-order grift looks like.
• 25:26
  Sure. I don't, I don't think it's that
• 25:27
  sophisticated, but I like that there's an agency that protects
• 25:29
  it. And now often be like, Oh no,
• 25:30
  no, I'm going to control all of those.
• 25:32
  I don't think he's going to be extra assertive on the ones that
• 25:35
  bear his name. So I'm just looking at this
• 25:36
  going, man, probably not. The writing here is on the wall.
• 25:39
  He is ripping off his own supporters.
• 25:42
  Yes. There's no one on the left who
• 25:43
  went. You know, I'm going to get one
• 25:44
  of those Trump phones. Yes, that looks like a great
• 25:46
  phone. I'm going to get one of them.
• 25:47
  No one. No one said that.
• 25:48
  No one did that. These are the people who support
• 25:50
  him, and those are the people he's ripping off.
• 25:52
  But those people on the left are not proud Americans that don't
• 25:55
  believe in freedom. That's the problem.
• 25:57
  And that's why they support the Korean cabal and buy their
• 26:00
  Samsung phone. I have a company that drives me
• 26:02
  crazy when companies do this, too.
• 26:03
  And it just feels like they're overly gouging their own
• 26:06
  customers. Yeah, they are overly gouging
• 26:08
  their own supporters. And I think it's, it's so
• 26:11
  extraordinarily immoral. And I will put two out here.
• 26:14
  Yeah, these these will be controversials.
• 26:15
  And this is this is where we're gonna get the hate mail.
• 26:17
  You know what I'm gonna say? Apple and Disney, they are both
• 26:20
  really they're they're customers big time.
• 26:22
  OK, can we do Disney? 1st we don't go to anywhere.
• 26:25
  Do you want? Let me take a swing at this and
• 26:27
  see if I can pick up what you're putting down with Disney.
• 26:29
  You talk like all like the add on, all the like, OK, you go
• 26:31
  watch Frozen and then you're buying the 700 Frozen dolls and
• 26:34
  you're buying the Frozen thing and the like.
• 26:37
  Is that what you mean? I'm more thinking about the
• 26:38
  parks. Once you're there, you gotta buy
• 26:40
  the hot dog that's 30 bucks. Yes.
• 26:42
  It's just how what's the maximum amount we can gouge from our
• 26:45
  customers and every, every possible, Yeah, I agree you do
• 26:49
  absolutely you get to make a profit.
• 26:51
  But at some point you have just excessively gouged your
• 26:54
  customers to the point where I think you are being adversarial
• 26:57
  to your supporters. You are gonna yell at me for
• 26:59
  this? Yeah, might be right.
• 27:01
  I am gonna sound like a Disney shield.
• 27:03
  I hate this. Their adaptive pricing I do
• 27:06
  think leads to a better park experience.
• 27:08
  Their dynamic pricing. Well, yeah, same, same, right.
• 27:10
  I mean, yeah, this is much like the dynamic pricing that you see
• 27:13
  on high occupancy vehicle lanes, basically toll lanes, which I
• 27:17
  don't think we do a great job, at least not yet in Southern
• 27:19
  California of pricing that fast enough.
• 27:22
  But I've read about how they do it like especially in Minnesota
• 27:24
  where it's designed to maintain the flow of traffic.
• 27:26
  So you're paying a premium. I do believe that dynamic
• 27:29
  pricing at Disneyland is designed trying to do something
• 27:31
  similar. There's a magic point where you
• 27:33
  get past a certain number of folks inside the park and the
• 27:35
  experience gets a lot worse and they try to manage for that
• 27:38
  point. I think that's a good thing as
• 27:40
  opposed to being a first come, first serve of the park being
• 27:42
  empty. If you can manage that across
• 27:43
  the day and think they've got enough data to do it, I actually
• 27:45
  think that's a positive thing. That's my view.
• 27:47
  Absolutely a 100% anytime you can make it so that the people
• 27:51
  with no money are disadvantaged to the people who have money.
• 27:54
  What a great thing that is. We should always make it so that
• 27:57
  the wealthy can do anything they want and the rest of the people
• 27:59
  just suck it. Well, that's great.
• 28:01
  Let's do that. By the way, a roads is more of
• 28:03
  an egregious problem than even the Disney experience.
• 28:06
  At least I can tell my friends, don't waste your money on
• 28:09
  Disneyland. This is the dumbest thing.
• 28:11
  It's ridiculously don't bother way.
• 28:14
  But of the roads, what are you going to do?
• 28:15
  You need the roads. We should make it more and more
• 28:17
  expensive so it's really easy for people with means to go
• 28:20
  drive wherever they want to go. But everybody else, sorry.
• 28:22
  No, it's a funky. You would still drive in the
• 28:25
  right lanes and go slower. I understand.
• 28:27
  Again, a luxury experience. We're we're giving the
• 28:29
  taxpayers, giving a luxury experience for the people who
• 28:32
  have the means to fork out more money.
• 28:34
  Yes, I don't, it's terrible. I how is it terrible?
• 28:36
  Absolutely terrible. I don't know.
• 28:38
  I'm not sure I agree with you on this one.
• 28:39
  Anytime we can make the world better for people with money,
• 28:42
  let's do that. Well I'm making the world suck
• 28:44
  for people who already the world sucks for.
• 28:46
  But if you. Or we use the the roads example
• 28:48
  or the Disneyland example. Which one am I going to lose
• 28:50
  here? Go either way.
• 28:51
  The road 1 The road one really pisses me off but yes sure, the
• 28:54
  Disney one I'm not in love. With I mean you've still made
• 28:56
  other improvements to the road. Now if we add on additional
• 28:58
  lanes and if that, if I'm not saying that this is what happens
• 29:01
  currently in the in the majority of Southern California, if the
• 29:03
  costs to maintain and add these additional lanes is borne by the
• 29:07
  toll riders that are in it, it's not.
• 29:09
  But if it were, doesn't it make it OK?
• 29:10
  It'd be nice if it were, but it is OK.
• 29:12
  It's borne by the taxpayers. But you but you mean you already
• 29:14
  have a granted program of HOV which which is designed to have
• 29:17
  if you have more people in your vehicle, we give you special
• 29:20
  access because in theory there are less cars on the road.
• 29:22
  I think that's great. OK.
• 29:23
  And then when we lever that system to enable early adoption
• 29:27
  of more efficient vehicles, was that OK?
• 29:28
  Fantastic. OK.
• 29:29
  But then when it gets for that. But both of those cater to
• 29:32
  people that have more money. Well, no, not necessarily.
• 29:34
  I could have. I could have other riders in my
• 29:36
  car who don't have money. Of of course you you could and.
• 29:38
  We're also kind of addicted to breathing.
• 29:40
  But that part you're OK. With, I'm much more OK with that
• 29:42
  than I am. So here's the good news on the
• 29:43
  HOV lanes here. They're still HOV lanes so if
• 29:45
  you have multiple people you don't pay the.
• 29:47
  Toll Now that part's great. That should always be the case.
• 29:49
  You're. Paying the toll only if you're a
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  single rider, correct right or or less than whatever the
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  occupancy is and there. Are people who have to get to
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  jobs where there aren't other people who live in the same
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  place and work in the same place, and those people don't
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  have lots of money, lots of discretionary income, so they
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  can just go just sure. But the people who do, sure, it
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  sucks. We should not build a world that
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  benefits people who have means like this.
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  This is awful. But of all the people we don't
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  want to disadvantage is people who don't have means.
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  It's just interesting where you draw the line.
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  So you're OK granting folks who have been able to afford buying
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  a new a car that's an EV or a hybrid or whatever it was, those
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  folks are OK. When it's a small number of
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  people and they're just they're doing the early adoption thing
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  100%, yeah, you do need to give some sort of incentive for
• 30:30
  people to buy those vehicles. Sure, because they're at the
• 30:32
  time there weren't a ton of charging stations and things.
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  You didn't have tons of infrastructure.
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  You had to give some benefit to it.
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  And net, net, those benefit everybody that we're getting
• 30:40
  less carbon in the air. Sure, I guess I just don't see
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  the difference. It seems like they seem very,
• 30:44
  very similar to me. I would.
• 30:45
  Explain it to you. But there's a football game I
• 30:47
  want to watch. So yeah, headlines.
• 30:48
  In fact, enough of the episode we have have to get out of here.
• 30:51
  Special thanks to our floor director, Matt Darling.
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  Thanks, Matt. We'll be back later this week
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  with vaporware, bold announcements, glossy mock ups,
• 30:57
  and release dates that ignore commitment.
• 30:59
  If you've ever fallen in love with a product that only existed
• 31:01
  in the keynote slide, this one's for you.
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  Until then, thank you for listening to all this nonsense.
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  I'm Jeff Parker. I'm still.
• 31:07
  Go, go, go Indiana. Of course, by the time you're
• 31:10
  hearing this, you know how it came out.
• 31:11
  Either way, they're gonna be #2 No matter what happens, win or
• 31:14
  lose. 7 Yes, they're gonna be ranked #2 that's my prediction.
• 31:17
  They will be #7 my. Prediction is to be told they
• 31:20
  cracked the top 10. Jeff Hurray.
• 31:34
  The AP One EPROM programmer Jeff You can program or duplicate
• 31:38
  virtually every EPROM or EPROM up to 512 K with this low cost
• 31:43
  program. Fantastic.
• 31:44
  The compact EP1 fits this in your desk or in your briefcase
• 31:47
  for field service. It has menu driven chip
• 31:49
  selection that gives you the correct programming algorithm
• 31:51
  quickly and easily. The EP1 works with the IBM
• 31:54
  PCXTAT and compatibles development systems, CPM
• 31:57
  systems, which I know you own a bunch of, and other computers.
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  The EP1 costs only $989 and requires no modules for software
• 32:05
  to perform the full spectrum of MOS and CMOS Eproms and EE
• 32:09
  Proms. Yes, it's covered by a full one
• 32:11
  year limited warranty. Wonderful.
• 32:12
  It's a great value because it reads, programs, copies over 150
• 32:15
  types of Eproms. It has an optional Intel
• 32:18
  microcontroller programming heads.
• 32:19
  It has a gold text tool zip IC socket.
• 32:22
  It works on 512.521 and 25 Volt programming's and has 8
• 32:26
  selectable baud rates from 300 to 38,400 baud.
• 32:29
  I was going to ask about that. Yeah, I bet you were the EP1
• 32:32
  EPROM programmer from BP Microsystems.
• 32:34
  Order yours. Today I'll get right on it.
• 32:36
  Now, by the way, does this come with the ultraviolet light that
• 32:39
  you need the? Resetters.
• 32:40
  The E Proms Yeah, reset. No, the resetters are much, much
• 32:43
  cheaper. They're like usually an eighth
• 32:44
  of the cost, but I do not believe this includes it.
• 32:46
  I specifically left several hints in here to make this yes
• 32:49
  easier. However, I still don't think
• 32:50
  this is easy. I think this is one of the
• 32:51
  harder ones I've given. This is not cost adjusted.
• 32:54
  Let's start. This is cost adjusted.
• 32:55
  Thank you for asking that. The 989 OK is today dollars,
• 32:59
  that is correct. A friend of mine's dad had an
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  EPROM. Yeah, programmer that sounds
• 33:03
  somewhat like this. Yeah.
• 33:05
  He was a guy who was developing computer hardware.
• 33:08
  Cool. So he had all sorts of
• 33:10
  experimental stuff, like. Cool.
• 33:11
  I think that was probably, probably around 1985.
• 33:14
  OK. Was my guess really good guess?
• 33:16
  These were hot from like 85 to probably 95.
• 33:19
  They were dead. Yeah, it.
• 33:21
  Couldn't lasted longer than 10. Years.
• 33:22
  My read on this was you, you probably had a little longer
• 33:25
  like early 80s to mid 90s. Well, sort of the window, which
• 33:28
  I thought was really interesting because you really don't know.
• 33:30
  The hints I tried to give you were specifically the IBM PC
• 33:34
  brands. Sure.
• 33:34
  And then specifically not the ones that came later.
• 33:36
  This ad was from February of 87. OK, so you're, you're in the
• 33:41
  right window. I will say though, I think of
• 33:43
  all the ones that I've given you, this is probably the
• 33:45
  hardest one that that I can think of because this is this
• 33:48
  one's tricky because it had such a huge span.
• 33:50
  The price at the time was $349, by the way.
• 33:53
  There you go. There you go.
• 33:54
  That was the. But I've learned not to give
• 33:55
  that to you because then you can do math and figure this out.
• 33:58
  Yeah. The EP1 E prom programmer,
• 34:00
  February 1987. Very nice.