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ITB: Encouraging Signs For Lane Johnson, Nakobe Dean – But Still Hurdles To Clear · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back.
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Speaker 2: What's going on, everybody?
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Speaker 1: It's Jeff Mosher Adam Kaplan Inside the Birds here in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the week, as the Eagles are preparing
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Speaker 1: to face the San Francisco forty nine ers in the
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Speaker 1: wild Card round Sunday four point thirty, kickoff at the Link,
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Speaker 1: and hey, why don't we just start off with your
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Speaker 1: favorite wheelhouse, Adam. I mean, the weather is pretty interesting
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Speaker 1: because every time we check it, the one thing that
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Speaker 1: we're for sure of is that it's going to be
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Speaker 1: somewhat mild for January at the late, especially for this winter,
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Speaker 1: it's been very cold.
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Speaker 3: Yes as we as we speak here on Thursday morning. Okay,
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Speaker 3: you know mister weather, right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, tropical storm chaplain?
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Speaker 3: H I miss that? Yeah, So right now, again, I
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Speaker 3: don't give a crap what happened before the game. It's irrelevant.
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Speaker 3: I do like care what happens doing it again because
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Speaker 3: four yesters don't understand like these do it. They do
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Speaker 3: it for a living. They'll like it'll be like some
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Speaker 3: local channel, oh boy, it's gonna be windy on Sunday,
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Speaker 3: But they never talk about what happens in during the game, right,
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Speaker 3: it only matters it is going to be windy. Okay,
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Speaker 3: let's let's get to it, because of course it is,
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Speaker 3: yep yep. So yeah, it's just a funny four to
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Speaker 3: twenty five regular season. You know, if this is the
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Speaker 3: right and it's gotta be four thirty, you know, I
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Speaker 3: gotta do it at four thirty, right, when's fourteen to
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Speaker 3: sixteen mile an hour. The gus are the problem. It's
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Speaker 3: always about gus thirty to thirty two miles an hour
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Speaker 3: throughout the game.
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Speaker 2: Second, maybe a mild for this winter, my friend, Oh, but.
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Speaker 3: They actually know. But they actually had two games in
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Speaker 3: the third load of mid thirty gus, So that's true.
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Speaker 3: It won't rain. We're getting the rain in the morning
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Speaker 3: if it rains at all. But hey, like you said, though,
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Speaker 3: they've That's what you're alluding to, is they they've been
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Speaker 3: through this. They know jer Jalen's got a strong arm
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Speaker 3: than party knows that matters. By the way, talk to
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Speaker 3: any coach, would you rather have a guy who's a
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Speaker 3: touch passer or guy who could drive the football? Now,
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Speaker 3: accuracy matters. We all we that's everything else. We're just
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Speaker 3: at arm strength. Yeah, I've never met a coacher didn't
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Speaker 3: want to a player at armstrength.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, never met one. Of course, you want to arm
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Speaker 1: talent and that. Now, perty's not like a pillow thrower.
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Speaker 1: He can throw the ball, but you're right, is not.
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Speaker 1: His arm isn't as strong as more of a touch guy.
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Speaker 2: For sure it helps him. Yeah, he is good. He's good.
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Speaker 3: He's got an interesting good quarterback.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting way of playing the game. Absolutely, So let's
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Speaker 2: just say this.
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Speaker 1: Okay, people can second guess or criticize or complain all
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Speaker 1: they want about Nick Sirianni's decision to arrest most of
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Speaker 1: his starters and then only get the three seed, but
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Speaker 1: it is undeniable that the Eagles will have the health
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Speaker 1: advantage in this matchup by about thirty miles.
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Speaker 2: Okay, they are as healthy as healthy can be.
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Speaker 1: Twenty one of twenty two starters were on the practice
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Speaker 1: field Wednesday. Now that doesn't mean everything is hunky dory,
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Speaker 1: but it is sure a much better sign than the Niners,
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Speaker 1: who have some really key players not only just on
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Speaker 1: not only on injured reserve, but some who they're hoping
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Speaker 1: to have ready who were not on the practice field
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Speaker 1: on Wednesday, including Trent Williams. And there I always say
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Speaker 1: it's like they're a different team sometimes when they don't
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Speaker 1: have Trent Williams.
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Speaker 2: He's that good.
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Speaker 1: So there's no argument about who has the advantage in
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Speaker 1: this in this in this matchup from a health standpoint.
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Speaker 3: That's why you know it's funny. You and I talked
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Speaker 3: about two weeks ago, and I said, I'm pretty certain
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Speaker 3: he was going to wrest their starters. I know you
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Speaker 3: didn't seem to agree with it, but you we both
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Speaker 3: stayed at our cases. I said, man, I learned my
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Speaker 3: lesson from Andy Reid, who then would later change his
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Speaker 3: mind with a Chiefs. But when he was at the Eagles,
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Speaker 3: and I remember distinctly walking out of the authorium like, coach,
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Speaker 3: what why are you read?
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Speaker 2: Like?
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Speaker 4: What?
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Speaker 3: As a reporter, you just take your information and you
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Speaker 3: disseminate it. I just said, I can you just explain
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Speaker 3: it to me, because it's real simple. My job is
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Speaker 3: to get my pleasures the next game. He goes. He
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Speaker 3: was kind of saying he didn't really care what the
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Speaker 3: media thought. He would never say that, but I wasn't
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Speaker 3: being dismissive of a new ROUSI to me to my question,
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Speaker 3: I just want to understand it better because I'm trying
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Speaker 3: to because I have to explain it to other people,
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Speaker 3: and goes, look, there's obviously a benefit to getting your
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Speaker 3: players on grass and get the feel for it of
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Speaker 3: the last game, but they had a buy coming up.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes you don't want to have two weeks off, you know.
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Speaker 3: But this is different because he goes had to play
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Speaker 3: the next week. We're talking about this this Currantine, not
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Speaker 3: Andy's back last time to made the playoffs, whatever that
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Speaker 3: was with Eagles so many. Then Andy started and it
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Speaker 3: shocked me. He started playing his players in the last
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Speaker 3: week if he thought they needed to work. Belichick would
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Speaker 3: do that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes you learn from your experience.
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Speaker 1: This is a different feeling when you have the number
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Speaker 1: one seed and then you have a meaningless season finale
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Speaker 1: followed by a bye week. Right, then you don't want
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Speaker 1: some coaches, I shouldn't say you some coaches, And I
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Speaker 1: think Andy learned this that it's not good when you
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Speaker 1: have that to just have nobody on the on the
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Speaker 1: grass for two weeks. So that that's why I think
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Speaker 1: he adapted along the way he did.
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Speaker 3: And then the one that's done me last week, Sean
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Speaker 3: me Vay's mister rest. That's what they should call him. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: never play his players in the preseasons. He became their
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Speaker 3: head coach at twenty seventeen, still the same. I kind
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Speaker 3: of laughed because he never really said he'd play them
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Speaker 3: the whole game. So he says, oh, we're playing to win,
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Speaker 3: our stars are playing, but he never said the whole game.
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Speaker 3: And I was dubious, like, he's not gonna play the
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Speaker 3: whole game. He sure as hell did.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he shot me.
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Speaker 3: Yep, I'm like, what does he have him on their
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Speaker 3: fantasy team?
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Speaker 2: No, I'm just kidding. I just was shocked.
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Speaker 3: I was like, wow, this is as you said. Players
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Speaker 3: are allowed to change players, coaches are allowed to change
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Speaker 3: their mind, and he felt like they needed the work
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Speaker 3: because they didn't look good down stretch in his opinion
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Speaker 3: based on whatever he saw off their coaching tape. He
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Speaker 3: knows his players better than anyone else does, and he said,
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Speaker 3: we're going to play them, and they destroyed the Cardinals, who,
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Speaker 3: unfortunately far their head coach was nineteen games out of
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Speaker 3: five hundred. Jonathan Gannon But oh, well, yep, that's that.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's so. When you and I were talking
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Speaker 3: about this a couple of weeks ago, I said, look, man,
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Speaker 3: I hear you. They need to work. They're not a
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Speaker 3: great team. They're not as good as last year, which
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Speaker 3: is perfectly true, but you have to have the feel
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Speaker 3: forget getting your guys to that next game. I just
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Speaker 3: using the andy phrase. Yeah, and they're they're one of
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Speaker 3: the top three healthiest teams in the National Footballague this
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Speaker 3: season and a game a man games misses the term
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Speaker 3: I charted that stuff. It's just it's other than Akuba
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Speaker 3: by the way he broke his ancle. That's it, right,
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Speaker 3: I mean when you look at their inter reserve list. Okay,
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Speaker 3: but we need to mention ass O Jeli was activating
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Speaker 3: in the twenty one day window, which which makes sense
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Speaker 3: because let's say, let's say during the rest of the season,
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Speaker 3: obviously's the player. Let's say they make it the championship game. Well, yeah,
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Speaker 3: that will that's around one of the twenty one day
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Speaker 3: windows expires, and let's say somebody gets hurt. Sure you know.
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Speaker 2: That's yeah, you gotta ask that. You might as well
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Speaker 2: use it right the best you can. Yeah, absolutely right.
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Speaker 3: So here the guys on ir Oji who just talked
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Speaker 3: about uh Obo Conkroe, who he had a very he
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Speaker 3: had a bad injury, so he's not coming back. Uh
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Speaker 3: Macouba Miles Hinton who has never activated, he's out. He
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Speaker 3: can't come back till the spring. Go practice the spring.
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Speaker 3: Johnny Wilson who had a very bad injury, mansumer and
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Speaker 3: very bad injury. They never activated. Willie Lampkin. Brandon Johnson
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Speaker 3: had that unfortunate injury. You saw him in the locker room,
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Speaker 3: the ankle injury, and.
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Speaker 2: Hugh, I feel for that kid.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you said that, Yeah, you saw him. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: it's uh, you wanted to practice squad IR because he
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Speaker 3: had he reverted back to IR that the practice for
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Speaker 3: then they put him in I R. That's it. No,
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Speaker 3: So it's a health matters man. I got to give
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Speaker 3: I got to give Howie credit, Nick credit, and their
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Speaker 3: medical staff. They all it all works together because you
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Speaker 3: have to as a general manager. You have to know
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Speaker 3: how your players are being trained. You have to communicate
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Speaker 3: well with your your training staff. Nick has to be
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Speaker 3: on board through discussions.
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Speaker 2: You know what.
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Speaker 3: Maybe we did it differently elsewhere, but it's about getting
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Speaker 3: these guys yeah healthy and yeah, I get that. I
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Speaker 3: respect that people were super pissed off at the Eagle
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Speaker 3: or at Sirianni and maybe Howie, if you've inviolved some
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Speaker 3: of he's involved in. It susion to rest players because
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Speaker 3: they didn'tet the number two seed, although honestly they had
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Speaker 3: every opportunity to do it last week. Yep, but they didn't.
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Speaker 3: You know. So oh well, but here we are and
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Speaker 3: they're healthy, and that there's no excuse that noters have
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Speaker 3: many excuses WHI we're going to get to in a minute.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, let's talk about some of the guys though, that
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Speaker 1: are on the practice field or were on Wednesday, because
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Speaker 1: I think this is this is very interesting. You and
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Speaker 1: I probably talk about this, maybe more so than others
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Speaker 1: about certain injuries, like we did with Cam Latsu when
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Speaker 1: he had the stinger, but he was able to practice
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Speaker 1: on Friday.
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Speaker 2: But we said, guys, don't this is.
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Speaker 1: The one injury where you don't look at it and
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Speaker 1: say just because he's questionable and practice on Friday, it's
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Speaker 1: a it's a guarantee given because these are weird and
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Speaker 1: tricky injuries. So let's talk about Lane Johnson and Nikobe
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Speaker 1: Dean who are out on the practice field on Wednesday.
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Speaker 1: I think for the for the people who listen to
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Speaker 1: this on you know, Thursday, late today's practice is really
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Speaker 1: important for Lane because he has this is his first
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Speaker 1: time out on the practice field, taking vertical reps and
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Speaker 1: things like that, you know, in real practice environment. Since
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Speaker 1: he went on so I wasn't the Bears game. That's
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Speaker 1: a long time ago that he was. He came off
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Speaker 1: the field. How he responds to that practice is important.
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Speaker 1: So while it's a great first step to get him
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Speaker 1: out there, the whole team in the medical staff really
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Speaker 1: wants to know Thursday morning, Hey, Lane, how are you
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Speaker 1: feeling after that kind of practice and are you able
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Speaker 1: to be able to do it again and then again?
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Speaker 2: That is a big step. So he's cleared step one.
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Speaker 1: But just because he's out there on Wednesday, I just
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Speaker 1: want to question people don't definitively think everything is great.
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Speaker 3: It's funny Kyle Shanahan, like his dad he's talked about,
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Speaker 3: he cautions when things are looking good, he goes, hey,
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Speaker 3: let's see how he does tomorrow. That's your rep. You're
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Speaker 3: right to mention that. Look, the chances are good that
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Speaker 3: Dean will be in the lineup, but he didn't take
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Speaker 3: all the first team reps on Wednesday, So this is
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Speaker 3: for as you said, he's been out he missed two games,
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Speaker 3: but he's been out longer than that. Yeah, so it's
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Speaker 3: in terms of just not practicing. So things are looking
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Speaker 3: up for him, but he's got to get through practice.
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Speaker 3: So here's what happened. This is actually a positive. It
10:15
Speaker 3: doesn't mean he's playing, but Green calcuterror. They took the
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Speaker 3: knee off of the injury poart. Remember he bent his
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Speaker 3: knee back on that hit what looked like to be
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Speaker 3: a hip drop tackle. The the the knee part of
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Speaker 3: it was taken off. The ankle was not. That's the
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Speaker 3: injuries in ankle sprain. It looked bad. It looked like
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Speaker 3: in the high ankle area. So it would be pretty
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Speaker 3: surprising if you play. But we'll see what happens and
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Speaker 3: lots two will fill in for him if you can't play.
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Speaker 3: Brett Toth had the concussion. So you know it's six
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Speaker 3: and a half to seven days for an average the
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Speaker 3: league average on concussion recovery. Doesn't mean he's playing, by
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Speaker 3: the way. I'm just giving you what the league says.
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Speaker 3: So we'll see. Carter had the Carter had the hip
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Speaker 3: injury last week. He got some work in Apps had
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Speaker 3: the concussion. Here's the thing you got he had symptoms
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Speaker 3: last Thursday. This is a good thing. He was out there,
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Speaker 3: so he's progressing through the protocol. So let's see. It's
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Speaker 3: not a lock got her with a knee. It's the
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Speaker 3: same injury he was listed with last week. Bark something unforeseen.
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Speaker 3: He should be playing in the lineup. Jalen Phillips. It
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Speaker 3: was the ankle which he heard against Buffalo. He took
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Speaker 3: all his first team reps barring a shat back. He
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Speaker 3: will be in the lineup and Lane Lane. This is
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Speaker 3: his first work in nearly two months. Let's it's about
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Speaker 3: this game. I get it. Let's just it's a midfoot sprain.
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Speaker 3: He's never had this type of injury before. He's got
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Speaker 3: as Aaron Bordman, our friend who used to be an
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Speaker 3: assistant athletic trainer with the Eagles and Chiefs told us
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Speaker 3: when he he said, treating this injury and getting a
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Speaker 3: player ready, you generally have to wear a different shoe.
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Speaker 3: It's awkward, it's different, it's not easy. It doesn't mean
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Speaker 3: he can't play. Lane knows his body. You saw in
11:54
Speaker 3: Hard Knocks, folks, if you're watching it. It was really
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Speaker 3: cool that they were able to go to Lane's house
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Speaker 3: and see him work out in his him and train
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Speaker 3: it and do the the lifts on his ackle. You
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Speaker 3: get the foot strong. So uh, we'll see. And in
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Speaker 3: Fred Johnson is a fine backup. And yes, they've actually
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Speaker 3: won games with Fred Johnson is the backup that the concern,
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Speaker 3: you know, So, uh why there's a lot of optimism.
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Speaker 3: I'm on your side of this one. Let's just see
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Speaker 3: how it goes. We know Lane's most likely going to
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Speaker 3: play right based on the way he is, but it's
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Speaker 3: not a lock. See how he does.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you can always reaggravate this thing. And
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Speaker 1: by the way, I don't think it was Aaron. I
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Speaker 1: think I might have been doctor Chow with you, who
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Speaker 1: also explained on our on our to our patreon followards
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Speaker 1: right that because it's his right foot and he is
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Speaker 1: a right tackle, and the way he sets is when
12:49
Speaker 1: you when you're setting and going backwards, that's your plant
12:51
Speaker 1: leg that you're constantly putting the pressure on. I think
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Speaker 1: it's called the post leg, but I could be wrong
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Speaker 1: about that. That makes it a little bit more complicated.
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Speaker 1: So no, don't you be concerned that Lane was only
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Speaker 1: limited on Wednesday. They were never going to throw him
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Speaker 1: out there for a full practice on the first day back.
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Speaker 2: After all, we're off for two months.
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Speaker 1: So but I do think by Thursday or Friday, you're
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Speaker 1: hoping to see him get from limited to full at
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Speaker 1: some point, to be able to be really, really confident
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Speaker 1: that he's responding well and we'll play on Sunday. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I agree with you. It all points to Sunday. He
13:21
Speaker 1: would have to have a setback, but that possibility exists.
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Speaker 2: We just want people to understand that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So, but the good thing is the
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Speaker 3: dreaded pop up injury there were none, thank goodness for
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Speaker 3: the erect but not so good for the Niners. Man,
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Speaker 3: I guess we should just get started for them. So
13:42
Speaker 3: here's the guys real quick. I just didn't want to
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Speaker 3: put in on one thing. Okay, So the.
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Speaker 2: Fact that you had Carter, Dean, Epps, Goddard and Lane
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Speaker 2: limited the same thing.
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Speaker 1: Like, as we get to Thursday and Friday, you hope
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Speaker 1: that those and I expect that they will will start
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Speaker 1: to become full at least.
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Speaker 3: This is the typical protocol with players, veteran players this
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Speaker 3: late in the year. They don't go heavy with them
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Speaker 3: on Wednesday because Wednesday Wednesday's the install It just you know,
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Speaker 3: it's usually light and then it's heavier Thursday and very light.
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Speaker 3: That's just the it's you go over the game play.
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Speaker 3: On Saturdays. The walkthrough is an important day because that's
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Speaker 3: the longest practice during the week typically. So yeah, that
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Speaker 3: I'm expect. Look, there's no reason to think that godd
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Speaker 3: won't be in the lineup. I know about his injury history. Whoops,
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Speaker 3: be there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're good, You're good. And I'll just say I'll
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Speaker 2: extend on that they're not going to be in pads.
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Speaker 2: You know that.
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Speaker 3: People still yeah, yeah, I mean, na Kobe, you know,
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Speaker 3: it's just it's all it's been about this game. I'm
14:50
Speaker 3: glad that he was out there Wednesday. Now, I would
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Speaker 3: say this, if they weren't out there Wednesday, I would
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Speaker 3: have been like, oh, that's not good. If Nikobe wasn't
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Speaker 3: out there Wednesday after being off for you know, two
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Speaker 3: and a half weeks, yep, that would be concerning for me.
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Speaker 3: But he was. I'm not I would not be concerned
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Speaker 3: at all, unless, as you talked about, for Thursday's practice,
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Speaker 3: they don't practice. Now what I would also tell you
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Speaker 3: sometimes they're not downgrades it's the point. Protocol was get
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Speaker 3: him out there Wednesday. COI feels we're going to back
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Speaker 3: off with them Thursday.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 3: A lot of teams do this and then practice guy Friday.
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Speaker 3: It's just going inside football and inside injury reports, just
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Speaker 3: talking to medical personnel. They have a plan for every player.
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Speaker 3: Just be careful if a guy doesn't practice Thursday.
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Speaker 1: I believe this happened with Jillen Carter where he was
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Speaker 1: a full on a Thursday and then on a Friday
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Speaker 1: was limited, and we thought maybe something was going on there,
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Speaker 1: but I think they were just kind of ease and
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Speaker 1: back knowing what was going on with his shoulder. This
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Speaker 1: is prior to his PRP injections, because I remember us
15:52
Speaker 1: pointing that out, but then he wounded up playing.
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Speaker 2: So Yey's correct. Is that sometimes that's all part of
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Speaker 2: the treatment and the management plan.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. And the problem is the these fantasy services that
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Speaker 3: aggregate injuries. They called it down GRD. No, it's not
16:04
Speaker 3: you don't know that. How would you know that if
16:06
Speaker 3: you didn't talk to the team, Like what are you
16:08
Speaker 3: talking to? Yeah? And the problem is so when John
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Speaker 3: Hanson I would do the Fantasy show over the years,
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Speaker 3: we get calls of this, Oh well, Roto whatever said this.
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Speaker 3: I'm like, no, that's not true. You know you don't.
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Speaker 3: They do not know any better? So I would I
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Speaker 3: would I go listen, let me explain to you these
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Speaker 3: injury reports, because I had to learn it the same
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Speaker 3: way as these people did. But they didn't learn it
16:30
Speaker 3: and try to learn it. They just guess that was
16:33
Speaker 3: a setback. Sure, there are sometimes the air setbacks and
16:35
Speaker 3: Wednesday's practice, but you need to know that. So anyway,
16:38
Speaker 3: I just wanted to set the record straight with that.
16:40
Speaker 3: But you want to move to the Niners because this
16:43
Speaker 3: is this is this is another team where I don't
16:49
Speaker 3: want to question their methods, but why do they always
16:51
Speaker 3: have problems? And the Eagles we kind of you know,
16:56
Speaker 3: we did a seven god seven or years ago and
16:58
Speaker 3: we do the expos a sort of on our first
17:00
Speaker 3: year about how agents would come to us and just
17:03
Speaker 3: saying what the hell is with you? No, they didn't
17:06
Speaker 3: trust the medical staff back then. This is it seven
17:08
Speaker 3: eight years ago? How he corrected every whatever issue they had.
17:12
Speaker 3: They've bring archten not in from your first of Pennsylvania
17:16
Speaker 3: is the evaluator about how to handle injuries and rehabing
17:19
Speaker 3: stuff or you know whatever. However he evaluates it and
17:23
Speaker 3: bringing its Hunky Tom Hunkley back who used to be
17:27
Speaker 3: with them, you can forget that name, right, Hunckley. Whatever
17:30
Speaker 3: they're doing is great. They do a phenomenal job. And
17:34
Speaker 3: I give how he credit for stick touitiveness. They're gonna
17:37
Speaker 3: he's a he's a he's a problem solver. That's all
17:39
Speaker 3: gms are. But he's extremely good at it.
17:42
Speaker 2: M hm.
17:42
Speaker 3: He's guys have told us over the years of work
17:45
Speaker 3: for him, when he knows it's back, when he sees
17:47
Speaker 3: something that's getting at a little bit at he's like, no,
17:50
Speaker 3: we're correcting. This is we're done with this, right. You
17:53
Speaker 3: know remember that the one where he said I love
17:56
Speaker 3: this one where he said, uh, one year they were
17:59
Speaker 3: giving up with the X plays, got the balls getting
18:01
Speaker 3: over the cornerback's heads. He says, we're doubling this. You
18:03
Speaker 3: put it, you put it in his office. I forget
18:06
Speaker 3: what the phrase was it not going over our heads anymore.
18:08
Speaker 3: I don't know what the hell was.
18:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I know exactly what you're talking about.
18:11
Speaker 3: That's you know, the gms that let this this bleep fly.
18:15
Speaker 3: Oh that it's bad luck. Yes, some of it's bad luck.
18:19
Speaker 3: But why are some teams year after year injured?
18:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this team is always, always, always aways, especially
18:27
Speaker 1: especially the running backs, which ironically Christian McCaffrey has had
18:30
Speaker 1: a great healthy year.
18:32
Speaker 2: Yes, they're usually go through running backs and.
18:34
Speaker 1: Wide receivers like they're always on number four, number five
18:37
Speaker 1: in this case on defense this year for them. I
18:39
Speaker 1: always find it amusing, not amusing, but interesting that how
18:43
Speaker 1: often McVeigh and Shanahan are tied like that, you know,
18:48
Speaker 1: the McVeigh tree, the Shanna and Tree. They coach together,
18:51
Speaker 1: same kind of offenses, motion mister, the personnel alignments, but
18:56
Speaker 1: they are completely different, as you were mentioning before, in
18:59
Speaker 1: practice and pads and resting. I mean, because we're McVeigh
19:03
Speaker 1: is like, you know, won't play starters or anything. The
19:05
Speaker 1: Niners are not like that, and they have a ton
19:08
Speaker 1: of injuries. And it's uh man, it starts with with
19:11
Speaker 1: with Trent Williams.
19:12
Speaker 2: So he's not practicing. Did he play in the last game?
19:16
Speaker 1: I couldn't real he did, not that christ He came
19:18
Speaker 1: out of the game before right the Chicago game.
19:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, no he he he will right, but he stunningly
19:25
Speaker 3: he the only gave me miss the season. This is
19:27
Speaker 3: rare for him. He only the week eighteen. He just
19:30
Speaker 3: couldn't go. He was not close to going. Based only
19:33
Speaker 3: when I heard Kyle Shannon talk to the media. He
19:35
Speaker 3: just they you know, he had a hamshore injury. Couldn't
19:38
Speaker 3: get it going. Austin pleasants. You know, they filled in
19:40
Speaker 3: for him and they scored three points. They had too
19:43
Speaker 3: many three and ounce from I understand. So they'll say
19:48
Speaker 3: he didn't work on Wednesday. They got two more days,
19:50
Speaker 3: so we'll see yeh ben Bartch one of their starting
19:53
Speaker 3: guards to Uh this fronk fracture. He actually tour, he
19:56
Speaker 3: ruptured it. He's done until next year. That's next season. Uh,
20:00
Speaker 3: Ayuk never played this season. Boy do they miss him?
20:03
Speaker 3: God damn they miss him.
20:05
Speaker 1: Well, I mean theoretically yes, although they averaged like twenty
20:08
Speaker 1: six points a game since Party came back.
20:10
Speaker 2: But sure, the absolutely he is he is.
20:15
Speaker 3: I could tell you if I'm talking to them. When
20:18
Speaker 3: he got his head on right. You know, first couple
20:20
Speaker 3: of years he battled with Kyle Shannan. You know, he
20:22
Speaker 3: coached him really hard, and Ayuk was unachieving. Then he
20:25
Speaker 3: became a stud and they got the big contract, but
20:27
Speaker 3: something happened. He tore the ACL then not being around
20:31
Speaker 3: the team and they, you know, they they avoided his guarantee.
20:33
Speaker 3: It's just awful. Yeah, you're right. By structure, they've been
20:37
Speaker 3: able because they're a skime based offense. It does not
20:40
Speaker 3: ask the guys to win one on one like some
20:42
Speaker 3: other schemes do. It's all it's all space creation and
20:45
Speaker 3: scheme and spacing. But Ayuk man they could have used
20:49
Speaker 3: him because John Juwan Jen has been a great story.
20:52
Speaker 3: He just doesn't run very well comparatively, not you you know,
20:54
Speaker 3: right right, And and Ricky Piersall. Ricky Piersall has had
20:59
Speaker 3: the worst luck for those of you really followed the draft.
21:02
Speaker 3: He's very gifted. He's their best receiver that's not named
21:06
Speaker 3: Brandon Ayuk But he missed six games in a row,
21:09
Speaker 3: then missed two out of the last three. He had
21:13
Speaker 3: a PC injury, which is not going away. He had
21:15
Speaker 3: an ankle, then they just added the hamstring. He had
21:19
Speaker 3: a pre existing issue minor, but dragged on when he
21:23
Speaker 3: was drafted. You know, I kind of had a bird's
21:26
Speaker 3: eye view of this thing, and it's just it's crushing,
21:28
Speaker 3: like he can't get up his own way. It's a shame. Yeah,
21:32
Speaker 3: you know, that's why they brought back Kendrick Bourne, and
21:34
Speaker 3: it was a good player. And Jacob Collum is the
21:37
Speaker 3: slot receiver. Just started practicing this week so they could.
21:40
Speaker 3: They'll use any available body they haven't receiver they need them.
21:44
Speaker 3: And then defensively, it's not just Nick Bosa towards a
21:48
Speaker 3: cl Mikeail Williams their first round pick towards a cl yep,
21:52
Speaker 3: Fred Warner, Kyle Shanahan with the right ankle disslocation and fracture.
21:56
Speaker 3: He has a chance, not great chance if they made
22:00
Speaker 3: it to the championship game to potentially play, but they
22:03
Speaker 3: they'll know that better when they get closer. If they
22:04
Speaker 3: ever do. Yeah, then we're not done. Tatum Bethune, Torres groin,
22:13
Speaker 3: he's out, he had surgery. He's having surgery. He's done
22:15
Speaker 3: until the next season. Uh Luke Gifford, who's a fill
22:19
Speaker 3: in linebacker as a quad strain didn't work on Wednesday. Okay,
22:24
Speaker 3: they uh to make matters, well, make matters worse. I
22:28
Speaker 3: feel bad saying that about Kyier White, but they had
22:31
Speaker 3: to sign somebody, some veteran who's smart. There right now,
22:37
Speaker 3: it's going to be this is who's going to start
22:39
Speaker 3: against the Eagles until they figure things out, until they
22:41
Speaker 3: get through Friday's practice, and they walk through um till
22:43
Speaker 3: they're leaving Friday by the way to come to Philly. Okay,
22:47
Speaker 3: So it's uh, it's Eric Kendricks, who's near the end
22:52
Speaker 3: of his career. You know, he was great for the
22:53
Speaker 3: Viking for many years, and he's near the end of
22:55
Speaker 3: his career. And Curtis Robson, who was a who's been
23:00
Speaker 3: who's been on and off the roster for a number
23:02
Speaker 3: of years. He's been with Denver's practice squad, the Notish
23:08
Speaker 3: practice squad, I probably fifteen times. That's it. And then
23:15
Speaker 3: they got, uh, they got one other kid. I'll tell
23:17
Speaker 3: you who it is. Got from the guy plays and
23:20
Speaker 3: I had mentioned him, and in fact I know the kid.
23:23
Speaker 3: I know the name. In a second it is, Oh,
23:26
Speaker 3: Garret Walla, Yeah, I remember him from Denver. They claimed
23:28
Speaker 3: off waivers. That's all they have right now. So obviously
23:32
Speaker 3: they're hurting. Oh the d Winners. Who's a starter. He's
23:35
Speaker 3: considered questionable this point, as I understand it, with an
23:38
Speaker 3: ankle injury.
23:40
Speaker 2: It's actually.
23:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that it may be being kind. I
23:45
Speaker 3: would put piersol on the very questionable category, which means
23:48
Speaker 3: worse than questionable for those who are working at home
23:51
Speaker 3: and they they they it doesn't sound like they're optimistic
23:55
Speaker 3: at this point, but you never know. Adrenaline being in
23:59
Speaker 3: the being in training room, just getting ready, you know.
24:03
Speaker 3: So it's just look you, we just gave you. Their
24:06
Speaker 3: corners are. Ernardo Green will play. He had a neck injury.
24:09
Speaker 3: He's been cleared to Geamedoor. Leonor's been a great story development.
24:14
Speaker 3: Was once benched and then he kind of worked his
24:16
Speaker 3: way back and up in Stout is a great name,
24:18
Speaker 3: by the way, good players. Yeah, he's been a good
24:21
Speaker 3: story development. Gyra Brown should play with a rib injury.
24:25
Speaker 3: Greg's as Greg said, they do some big nickel with
24:29
Speaker 3: Jason Pinnock who used to be with the Giants and
24:31
Speaker 3: the Jets. Yep, now we'll we'll probably have some numbers
24:34
Speaker 3: for you which their their secondary is gotten torched. The
24:37
Speaker 3: second half of the season, Yeah, I talked about it.
24:40
Speaker 3: Jacoby Brissette had like the game of his life. He
24:43
Speaker 3: had one of the best games of anyone this season.
24:45
Speaker 3: Of course, he threw.
24:46
Speaker 1: Four completion for christ Know and didn't Michael Wilson have
24:50
Speaker 1: like almost there's.
24:52
Speaker 3: Something for fantasy. I like this guy two years ago.
24:54
Speaker 3: He sucked it till this year. I was I hate
24:57
Speaker 3: that for fantasy when you're on a guy early and
24:58
Speaker 3: oh man, I totally missed him on him. They finally
25:01
Speaker 3: they had a breakout season this year, but he finished.
25:04
Speaker 1: By the way, Michael Wilson finished like top ten in
25:07
Speaker 1: the n ELLEN receiving yards, I think, is.
25:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, great, good for him. But yeah, so the Eagles
25:15
Speaker 3: haven't Just as you said very well to start the show,
25:18
Speaker 3: Eugles have a major injury advantage over this football team.
25:21
Speaker 3: They're screwed at linebacker. They're not a good run defense.
25:24
Speaker 3: They're they're not. Uh the kid Clay Davis should play,
25:28
Speaker 3: he's got a sore knee. Alfred Collins is gonna have
25:32
Speaker 3: to play. Their second rounder of this year, Kevin Gibbons,
25:35
Speaker 3: who's been there was an undirected free agent that was
25:37
Speaker 3: a really good signing by John Lynch, who's who's kind
25:39
Speaker 3: of worked his way up to Drean Elliott who came
25:41
Speaker 3: here from Cleveland. And by the way, Bryce hoff has
25:44
Speaker 3: to start. Why because they ran out of edges Grassmados
25:48
Speaker 3: is not an edge rusher. He's he's a he's a
25:50
Speaker 3: run stopping edge and he's been hurt for a lot.
25:54
Speaker 3: And Kean Waite, by the way they got I forgot
25:57
Speaker 3: to mention him in the trade for the trade from
26:00
Speaker 3: he's got a groin injury. So they're Eagles are looking
26:03
Speaker 3: great in this game. I just we'll give our picks Friday.
26:07
Speaker 2: Yes, from a health standpoint, absolutely.
26:08
Speaker 3: Kind of if you listen in, you kind of see
26:10
Speaker 3: how I'm leaning.
26:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I just real quick, the Niners rushing
26:16
Speaker 2: defense statistically is not terrible.
26:18
Speaker 3: You're right, Okay, okay, Yeah, they're not talented. They're really
26:23
Speaker 3: so with the wide nine because that's what solid plays.
26:27
Speaker 2: Yep.
26:28
Speaker 3: I remember Jim Schwartz talking about this. When you play
26:30
Speaker 3: that scheme, your safeties, your corners have to cover because
26:34
Speaker 3: their gaps. Right, your edges are playing the run all
26:38
Speaker 3: the way to the quarterback. Right, guys have to which
26:41
Speaker 3: is which is? I think that was a Jim Washburn line.
26:45
Speaker 2: Yes, play the run on the way to the quarterback. Yeah,
26:47
Speaker 2: I love that.
26:48
Speaker 3: One, And I laughed. My asked as Washburn was and
26:50
Speaker 3: his son, Ironic is not coaching egos edges, but I
26:53
Speaker 3: always thought that was funny. Yes, but they they they're
26:56
Speaker 3: very disciplined on their front. They're just not very talented.
26:59
Speaker 2: No, but they're they're to your point, their safeties are
27:01
Speaker 2: good tacklers. I think that helps out.
27:03
Speaker 3: Why they play nickel.
27:04
Speaker 1: That's exactly exactly it. Yeah, Tyre Brown can tackle. Malik
27:08
Speaker 1: Mustafa is pretty good at tackling. So they've been able
27:11
Speaker 1: to overcome these injuries at linebacker because they've tackled well
27:14
Speaker 1: from the safety level and they play big nickel. I
27:17
Speaker 1: think the Trent Williams thing to me is ten times massive.
27:20
Speaker 2: Oh got worse for them than the linebacker issue.
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Speaker 2: Twenty one and up.
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Speaker 3: I hear you but that they did a great job
30:49
Speaker 3: on Jonathan Taylor. They did a phenomenal job. Now, the
30:53
Speaker 3: Colts had some offensive linemen. As I looked, I looked
30:55
Speaker 3: into a lot. I've I've been doing a lot of
30:57
Speaker 3: research on sides of the football on you know, it's
31:03
Speaker 3: it going past tape study, it's it's not and numbers.
31:05
Speaker 3: I want to know how some of their opponents saw
31:09
Speaker 3: their you know what the challenges were. You know, you
31:12
Speaker 3: know the names as you mentioned Kittle and McCaffrey and
31:15
Speaker 3: Jennings and Brian Robinsons and this Jake Tongues is I
31:19
Speaker 3: used funny when he was when they brought him in.
31:21
Speaker 3: I know the Bears had him. Everyone called him Tongues,
31:26
Speaker 3: but it's Tongues and he had a great like for
31:28
Speaker 3: what he is. He did a good job filding for Kittle.
31:31
Speaker 1: He did Mac Jones and Jake Tongues kept that team
31:35
Speaker 1: afloat Man's Jones.
31:37
Speaker 3: And he's on a contract. He would have made a
31:39
Speaker 3: mint in free agency. He was phenomenal.
31:41
Speaker 2: He was.
31:43
Speaker 3: I talked to I talked to an advanced scout said
31:45
Speaker 3: he said, if you thought he played well as a rookie,
31:48
Speaker 3: now his career went down the twos with Belichick, right,
31:51
Speaker 3: he was so good off tape this this pro guy
31:53
Speaker 3: told me it's pro scout. I was like, it's too
31:56
Speaker 3: bad he's on a contract for another year because they
31:58
Speaker 3: could have made some money. He could have made some money.
31:59
Speaker 3: But it so that's it. They're they're devastated. Uh. Now,
32:03
Speaker 3: could the Eagles take advantage with the run scheme with Stout?
32:07
Speaker 3: This is why I told you last week you could
32:10
Speaker 3: say whatever you want that the lineman, the line has
32:12
Speaker 3: sucked the season. They should play. Get them the hell
32:14
Speaker 3: off their feet, get Dick Orson, who is a shell
32:17
Speaker 3: of himself Jurgons it is probably I don't I haven't
32:22
Speaker 3: looked at it. I don't really look at PFF grades.
32:24
Speaker 3: I respect them, I just don't look at them. But
32:26
Speaker 3: I can't imagine he wasn't in their box. He had
32:28
Speaker 3: to be in their bottom five. He just struggled. He
32:31
Speaker 3: had a tough year. Yeah, Greg Gregor has told us, Yeah,
32:35
Speaker 3: hadn't played well this year, and then Greg's being nice
32:37
Speaker 3: about it. He's a little rough sometimes with it. But
32:40
Speaker 3: Jurgons might have set the team record for miss blocks
32:43
Speaker 3: I mean in the run.
32:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was bad. There were bad times. Now.
32:47
Speaker 1: The only thing, the only reason I say that I'm
32:49
Speaker 1: still sort of skeptical is because I remember when the
32:52
Speaker 1: Eagles played the Bears, and the Bears did not have
32:54
Speaker 1: Tremaine Emans and they did not have h. T.
32:56
Speaker 2: Jed Wards.
32:57
Speaker 1: They were down to like their fourth and fifth linebackers,
32:59
Speaker 1: and the Eagles, for the reasons we're talking about now,
33:01
Speaker 1: because of their offensive line issues, they just could not
33:05
Speaker 1: spring the run game and get it going. And we've
33:07
Speaker 1: seen it a couple of times this year where we
33:09
Speaker 1: thought the Egos run game, we gelt go in against
33:11
Speaker 1: a defense that either had some defensive tackles that were
33:14
Speaker 1: out or like the Bills right or the Bears, and
33:18
Speaker 1: it just didn't happen. So that's to me that that's
33:22
Speaker 1: sort of an interesting subplot going in. I know that
33:25
Speaker 1: the Seahawks do not run the ball well, but ran
33:27
Speaker 1: the ball well against the forty nine ers, So that's
33:29
Speaker 1: either a one game thing between two division rivals, or
33:33
Speaker 1: maybe it's a harbinger for the fact that finally the
33:36
Speaker 1: injuries a linebacker have caught up caught up to the Niners.
33:39
Speaker 2: We'll see that's all gonna play itself out.
33:41
Speaker 3: No, on your point, yes, with this offensive line, I
33:44
Speaker 3: have no idea what to expect. How could anyone know?
33:47
Speaker 3: This is one of these things We asked Andrew or
33:49
Speaker 3: Andrew to check with us when we on the BCB show.
33:53
Speaker 3: We both agreed. I think you would agree. You were
33:55
Speaker 3: at camp. There's we don't get no where to practice tape,
33:58
Speaker 3: but this you could fit well. Obviously, we know Barkley
34:01
Speaker 3: wouldn't be as good. I thought he had fifteen hundred
34:03
Speaker 3: yards this season. Did he finish with over twelve hundred
34:05
Speaker 3: eleven hundred, didn't even.
34:06
Speaker 2: Look Oh, I think it was eleven hundred. Yeah, check
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Speaker 2: real quick, but.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean obviously it's awful. Sure, what was that
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Speaker 3: stat that Greg gave our patron members on It was
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Speaker 3: he's down nine hundred yards in the city.
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Speaker 2: What was it something in the second half alone?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was something like almost a thousand yards just
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Speaker 1: in the second half.
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Speaker 3: It was crazy of games of games right?
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Speaker 1: Wait was the second season, because remember last year he
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Speaker 1: was the leading he was the fifth reading leading.
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Speaker 2: Rusher in the NFL.
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Speaker 1: If you just took his second half stats, that's how
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Speaker 1: amazing he was half of games, right, second half of games?
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Speaker 2: Yes, sorry, second half of game yeah, after halftime.
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Speaker 1: My god, eleven hundred and forty rushing yards for sake
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Speaker 1: this year. But it's crazy, right, the sixth most attempts
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Speaker 1: in the NFL. So it's not like they gave up.
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Speaker 3: They just it still starts to the run. Although there
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Speaker 3: were times when it was winning, I'm like, why are
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Speaker 3: they throwing so much?
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Speaker 2: M hm?
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Speaker 3: But I can't answer that. Patulo and Sirianni can. But anyway,
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Speaker 3: that's it, folks, that's an injury situation. You know it's
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Speaker 3: there are a lot of advantage The Veagles could take
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Speaker 3: advantage of their matchups. They could take advantages where they
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Speaker 3: will or not, it's up to them. But the Niners
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Speaker 3: are Shanahan and his staff, and I know getting solid
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Speaker 3: back was major because it didn't work out with Steve Wilkes.
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Speaker 3: But man, what a what a job they've done this season.
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Speaker 3: They've overachieved. It's a great coaching job where the Heels
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Speaker 3: are probably underachieved.
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Speaker 2: A little bit.
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Speaker 3: That's on offense.
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Speaker 2: On offense, yeah, not defense. Yeah no, no, no, no, no, no.
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Speaker 1: All right, cool, good dad, Listen, We're gonna break this
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Speaker 1: game down a to Z with Greg cosel h.
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Speaker 2: He's got some.
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Speaker 1: Really interesting observations, by the way, on some of the
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Speaker 1: things that the forty nine ers do offensively with the
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Speaker 1: full back, some of the things they do defensively with
35:49
Speaker 1: their big Nickel package. That's gonna make for a great breakdown.
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Speaker 1: Of course, the Bird's weekly crew doing it with Derek
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Speaker 1: Gunn and his special guest if you have I'm not
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Speaker 1: gonna stay still not gonna say it because some people
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Speaker 1: may not have seen it yet.
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Speaker 2: Play for the former Eagle.
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Speaker 1: Is a special guest and away we roll as we
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Speaker 1: get closer to playoff kickoff for the Philadelphia Eagles.
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Speaker 2: That's gonna do it for.
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