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Ep.94 - Andrew Hickman: The Words You Use Are Sabotaging Your Sainthood | Catholic Personal Development | Mindset Coaching Faith | Language Pattern Healing · Virtuous Leaders with Dr. Johann D'Souza

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  Mindset is the story you tell yourself.
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  It is the story you tell yourself.
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  What are what are stories made-up of?
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  Words and breath. Words and breath.
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  Those are the ones and zeros of mindset.
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  This is Virtuous Leaders, the podcast for based Catholics who
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  will speak truth, do good, or die trying.
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  Here's the show. Andy, you help creators
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  rediscover and live their divine identity through sacred and
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  prophetic acts of love. I, I actually laughed out loud
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  when I read that. That was so cool and powerful
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  and also abstruse. I think it's a technical term.
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  So can you, can you just walk us through what you do and and why?
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  Yes. So before you hit record, Johann
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  was giving me a hard time and saying like, what are you, you
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  know, is this like a bunch of is this a hippie movement?
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  Yes and no. So the what this ultimately is,
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  this is heal is a personal development coaching practice
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  for Catholics. And what we coach Catholics in
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  is a specific system for organizing your life.
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  And the specific goal of that system is to help you become a
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  St. That's that's the short of it.
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  There's three principles. And that's awesome, dude.
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  Yeah, let's get into the principles.
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  Peace. OK, cool, we'll buckle up.
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  We start off nice and gradual. Principle number one is be God.
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  So we are coming from the belief that God from all eternity, not
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  because we disobeyed him and then he had a Plan B, but from
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  all eternity desire to share not just part of his life, but all
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  of his life entirety with us. And we we see this in the person
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  of Jesus Christ. So Jesus Christ defines not only
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  saves humanity, but also defines it.
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  And who is Jesus? He is one person at the same
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  time. He is fully God and fully man.
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  So our first principle with heal is that that's the end game, is
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  that we are are designing our lives to become fully full
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  participants in the divine nature.
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  So that's principle number one. Now you tell me if there needs
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  to be any either damage control or qualifications or sources or
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  whatever. Sometimes that that freaks
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  people out, sometimes it excites them.
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  What's your initial response to principle One?
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  Yeah, I can see how it can be misunderstood, especially in
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  like a quasi gnostic context. But I think for.
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  My audience, they, they're tracking pretty clearly here, so
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  I love it. Cool.
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  OK, yeah, that's quasi Gnostic. That's that's we'll get well,
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  you know what that lead that's a good transition to principle
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  number 21 time. I was talking with a buddy who's
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  in the New Age movement, and he was, you know, we were talking
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  spirituality and he thought that he was, you know, building a
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  bridge. And he's like, yeah, man, I'm
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  like, I'm what did he say? I'm a I'm a spiritual being
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  having a human experience. I'm a spiritual being having a
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  human experience. So part of what the Gnostics got
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  wrong was thinking that physical things are in opposition to
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  spiritual things and by extension, human nature is in
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  opposition to the divine nature. Again, Jesus Christ clarifies
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  this. They are not in opposition.
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  One of my favorite lines on that is let me pull this up here,
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  will you? You get this when you look at
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  like the tradition of, of how the church has developed its
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  understanding of of the Trinity and then also of the person of
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  Jesus Christ. The the shortest like line that
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  I really like to quote is from Saint Pope Leo, the 1st doctor
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  of the Church obviously. And he says God has not changed
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  his describing the incarnation. God has not changed by his
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  compassion, nor is man swallowed up by such dignity.
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  For each nature does what is proper to each in communion with
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  the other. So principle number 2 is
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  clarifying what does a holy life look like?
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  The average Christian is thinking God is holding back on
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  them, is threatened by their growth and in some way can't be
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  trusted. They wouldn't say that out loud,
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  but that that's what's operating in the heart.
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  And so they think that they the the sort of the extent of their
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  Christian life is to be subservient to God and to to let
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  him remain as their master. The sort of like a rare, rare
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  group in that or a rare subgroup, there are those who
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  take God at His word and understand that He is calling
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  them into His own life. But even if you're talking to
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  that group of people, you still have the majority of them
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  working under a misconception of what that looks like.
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  What does it look like to participate in the divine
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  nature? Most or many Christians conceive
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  that as primarily a negation of the self.
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  That's most individuals conceive this primarily as a negation of
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  the self. Yes, as a negation of the self.
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  So again, this is not saying that the average Christians
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  walking around explicitly saying this, but it's, it's an image
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  that is operating in the back of their mind.
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  Ultimately, you could bring it down to a misunderstanding of
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  Galatians 220. It is no longer I who live, but
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  Christ who lives in me and the picture of holiness is that, OK,
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  here's God, here's me and I, I have this high vision.
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  It's not like I'm saying that I'm not called to participate in
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  divine nature. I am saying that I'm called to
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  participate in the divine nature.
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  The only problem is that I have this conception that divinity
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  somehow destroys or chews up or dissolves whatever it makes
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  contact with. So that under the name of self
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  sacrifice or under the name of, you know, generosity or
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  humility, I pursue a life in which I slowly erode myself in
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  order to melt into God. And so principle number 2 is to
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  safeguard against that misunderstanding.
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  And principle number 2 is be yourself.
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  So principle #1 be God, principle #2 be yourself.
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  These are simultaneously operative and the third
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  principle. And then we can kind of pick
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  around and, you know, we can kind of go into deeper parts.
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  Whatever you find most interesting.
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  The third principle is to be fruitful.
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  So OK, wait. I am not only called to
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  participate fully in the life of God.
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  The way I participate in that is not despite myself, but it is
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  through myself. Once self is properly understood
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  as in the image of God that He created, that exists in you at
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  your core, that is not, you know, what is, what is
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  substantially there rather than what is not there when we sin.
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  So not only am I called to participate in His life, how I
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  do that is not by changing who I am at my core, but but receiving
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  who I am at my core. And then how is that?
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  How is that actually lived out? So the third principle is to be
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  fruitful. So Heal is working from an
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  understanding that not only is the self properly understood,
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  not only is the self sacred, but work itself is sacred as well.
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  So when I express myself through my work, I am not hitting a
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  spiritual pause button. I'm not engaging in some kind of
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  necessary evil, but it is in the mundane that I experience and
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  participate in the mystical. So there's three principles
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  again, be God, be yourself and be fruitful.
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  And we can go deeper on any one of those three, but any what
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  initially attracts you were or what's a an initial question
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  that you have based off of that overview?
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  How does that apply to helping professionals in their workflow?
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  OK. That's my understanding of what
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  you do. Correct me if I'm.
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  Wrong. Yes.
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  OK. So how does it the way that
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  you're think is seeing it right now, how does it not apply?
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  I guess I'm looking for practical takeaways.
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  So it's not so much that it's in conflict, it's more just I'm
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  curious, OK, well, what are the practical strategies that you
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  recommend? Yes.
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  OK, cool. So just like how in the person
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  of Jesus, the the divine and the human coexist, we're working
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  from a standpoint that the that the theoretical or the
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  philosophical coexist with the practical.
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  So the, the first point here is to allow the Christian to wake
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  up and hear with full clarity what exactly the purpose of
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  their life is. Not only the purpose, but also
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  the shape and color of it. If you are working with someone
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  who is, you know, burnt out and they're, they're struggling with
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  work life and balance and, and you know, they haven't actually
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  been present with their kids on a vacation in 10 years.
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  The, I'll argue the least practical thing you can do is
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  start handing them a planner or give them these tips and tricks
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  or life hacks on how they're going to clear through their
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  e-mail faster. None of that is actually waking
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  up or breaking through the crust of why they're there in the 1st
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  place. The, the mean most practical
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  truth is who we are called to be and how that looks.
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  So, so first and foremost, pausing and letting ourselves do
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  a double take on these initial principles.
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  What if we understood them as something practical rather than
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  as something relegated to the abstract?
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  What would that, what would that really mean?
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  Well, a couple things. One, it would mean that if I am
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  currently conceiving of my, my day-to-day decisions as somehow
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  this new spiritually neutral thing in which I am OK, I need a
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  sort of like operate. I need to pay the bills.
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  So I'll interact with these things, but I can't wait till I
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  get a break so that I can pray during the day.
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  The the first thing is to have that misconception shattered.
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  Now, if if that's all it is. So the argument there is that
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  you, you, we have to start there.
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  We have to start there. Does it end there?
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  No, that's the beginning of the practical piece.
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  A continuation of the practical piece is when we drill into that
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  third principle of be fruitful. So when we talk about a fruitful
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  life, the next most practical, practical thing to understand is
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  that there are three main areas in our life where we want to
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  experience or or create fruitfulness.
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  When someone is experiencing some sort of imbalance, usually
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  they would think of it as as work life imbalance.
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  It's ultimately an imbalance in these three areas.
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  So those these three areas are their time introduce their
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  emotion and mindset and their knowledge and wisdom.
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  We talked about that as their hands, their heart and their
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  head. If if we want to be fully
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  ourselves, we want to be fully operating in all three of those
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  areas, the common mistake is either to only focus on one of
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  those areas. So that could be like, if you
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  only focus on the hands, you become the, you know, super
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  successful fancy multi founder person who's who doesn't
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  actually like hanging out with his wife or his kids don't
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  really talk to him. That's overdoing the hands and
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  forgetting the other pieces. Or you can be this super smart
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  academic person, but you've you're crippled by social
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  anxiety and you don't know how to manage the day-to-day.
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  So you're always late or lost in your papers or whatever that is
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  overdoing the head and missing the balance of the hands and the
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  and the heart. Or you can be the sort of
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  forever healer with, you know, 10 different therapists for 20
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  years of your life perpetually talking about healing, present
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  tense, never achieving a state of being healed or experiencing
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  A healed life. And that is an imbalance of only
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  the heart that doesn't know how to connect to the, to the hands
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  or the the head. So that is mistake #1 common
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  mistake number one is to forget that there's three areas and to
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  only be thinking of 1. Common mistake number 2 is to
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  think you need to have three different systems in order to
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  maintain fruitfulness in those three areas.
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  And the the alternative, which is a lot easier, is to have a
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  single system that is able to scale all three areas.
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  Now, before I say anything else, let's sync up with each other.
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  I said that because you asked how does this affect the, you
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  know, everyday Catholic professional?
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  How does this get practical? How does that relate to your
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  question and does it create further follow up questions?
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  Yeah, I think. Just you asking that question is
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  a good coaching strategy which I appreciate and I was reflecting
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  as you're speaking. I think what's going to make
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  this most effective for me to understand and perhaps it for
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  the audience as well. Nice is to do some micro
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  coaching here so that that way. We're.
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  Applying it to a specific example, so so.
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  How would you? You're talking to me.
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  You're coaching me. Where?
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  Where do we? Go from here.
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  Realizing that I know we have much less time than you would in
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  a normal coaching session. OK, cool.
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  So what we'll do is I'll explain the the number one like biggest
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  universal thing that needs to be happening there and then we can
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  play some smaller contained games that'll demonstrate some
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  things that relate to the area of the heart.
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  OK, so overall, most important principle is to maintain
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  connection with the senses. If you're stressed out or
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  overwhelmed or apathetic or whatever, a major lever is that
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  you are disconnected from your physical senses.
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  A the rookie mistake is to think.
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  The main thing to do is to think more about your life.
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  Thinking more about your life is going to keep you in the cycle.
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  And it's a fancy and disguised version of overthinking.
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  What you really want to do, whether it's in the heart, the
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  hands, or the head, and I'll demonstrate this in a second, is
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  you want to incorporate the physical senses.
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  That's how you get out of overthinking and that's how you
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  get into making sense. And I mean that very literally.
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  So Aquinas talks about the physical senses being the
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  material cause of intellectual knowledge.
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  We are not designed to interface with either the things that we
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  want or the problems that we're perceiving.
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  We're not. We're not designed to interface
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  with those simply up in our head.
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  Now the current of our time is such that we tend to live a very
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  virtual low sensorial lifestyle. We sit in a chair and we stare
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  at a screen and we don't really use our body that much.
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  So we have this low grade inclination of OK, I start to
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  feel some dissonance and I go straight up into my head.
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  So the first main thing we want to do is we want to incorporate
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  the physical senses. So writing is the easiest way
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  that you can do that. If you're stressed out about
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  something, write out what you are stressed about and why
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  you're currently feeling stressed.
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  And maybe once you start writing that sentence, you'll realize
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  what is stress actually the emotion that I'm feeling?
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  Or is there a different word here that relates?
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  So if I were working with you or you're working with me, the
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  first thing I would do is I would instruct you to write one
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  to two paragraphs about what you would want help with because
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  that immediately brings you to your senses.
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  You start touching the thing, you start seeing the thing, and
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  then I would instruct you to read it out loud because then
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  you're going to start hearing it.
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  You'll also feel the vibrations of the words, which is very
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  important and helping you make sense.
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  So that's how we would typically do it.
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  And any thoughts on on that initial response?
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  No, I'm following you. Let's keep going.
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  OK, cool, sweet. So how does that actually play
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  out in a way that we can condense to the time that we
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  have? Well, here's how we can condense
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  it. Let's look at the area of the
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  heart. This is your mindset and your
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  emotions. What you believe is going to be
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  tied up with what you feel, and vice versa, what you feel is
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  going to be tied up with what you believe.
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  Now, Doctor Johann, how would you?
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  What's your current rough draft definition of mindset?
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  Mindset. Something about your attitude
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  towards reality? Nice.
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  OK, cool. Awesome to the listener.
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  If you want a really hard to practice definition Google
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  mindset, you'll get something along the lines of something a
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  fixed disposition, as in it's already set in stone, so good
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  luck operating with it. Usually you'll get some
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  combination of it's it's, it's your destiny.
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  And here's a bunch of fancy academic, scholarly sounding
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  words that you have no idea how to interface with.
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  A The most practical definition of mindset is mindset is the
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  story you tell yourself. What are stories made-up of
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  words and breath Words and breath.
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  That's those are the ones and zeros of mindset.
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  If you want to have a healthy mindset, you want to create a
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  healthy mindset, You want to be skilled with your words and you
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  want to be skilled with your breath.
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  Now we will play a game here that isolates the variable of
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  words. If we want to incorporate
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  breath, that would be a longer conversation.
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  There are a set of key containers of words.
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  You could say patterns of words that once you see it, you can't
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  Unsee it. And whenever someone is clogged
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  up, it is ultimately due to in at least in part.
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  I mean, it's a mechanical issue at the level of words.
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  So what do I mean by that? Let's play a couple language
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  games and then we'll call it good.
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  So do you have a something that you can write on or write with?
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  OK, cool. Let's play three language games.
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  Here's the first language game I'd like you to play.
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  I want you to write the following words down.
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  How? And dear listener, please play
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  along. How will I ever dot dot dot?
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  How will I ever dot dot dot? OK, now I want you to fill in
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  your own dot dot dot. So make it a complete sentence
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  in the form of a question. Change the world.
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  Awesome. Cool, so actually write that in.
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  OK. OK, and now you're seeing that
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  sentence. Cool.
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  Read it out loud. How will I ever?
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  Change the world. OK, how does that sentence feel
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  to say out loud? On the one hand, maybe a little
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  bit naive or embarrassing, and on the other hand it's helpful
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  to have the some concrete. Clarity.
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  OK, cool. OK, great.
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  How about the naive or embarrassing feeling?
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  Let's say 1 is low, 10 is high. What's the degree of that
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  feeling? 3.5. 3.5 OK nice.
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  OK, very cool. So do you see?
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  Look at the sentence again. OK, Do you see the word ever?
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  Yeah. OK select that and delete it.
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  OK, and now reread. How will I change the world?
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  OK, so I heard and saw in your face something different.
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  So tell me the difference. What does this version feel
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  like? A lot more definitive, inspires
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  confidence. I can do this.
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  And did I pay you to say that? No, but you should.
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  Not yet. Not yet at least.
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  Appreciate it. So great.
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  OK, so that word ever belongs to a category called dramatics.
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  It it's pressure language. So ever, always never should.
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  A lot of people are shooting on themselves.
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  I should do this. I should do that.
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  I should. And take out should put in
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  could. It'll feel a lot better.
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  It'll feel a lot better. And the words we use paints the
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  images in our mind. It paints our imagination.
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  And so many people have very good intention, poor
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  imagination. Not because of any lack of
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  innate abilities, Just they're shooting themselves in the foot
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  with their own words. All right.
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  You want to play two other games?
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  Yeah, that was cool. OK.
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  Sweet. How about this one?
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  OK, I have a lot. It's a very different style.
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  One, I have a lot of anxiety. OK, OK, go ahead and read that
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  sentence out loud. I have a lot of anxiety.
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  And again, we're not saying like, whatever, what, what, what
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  kind of feeling does that kind of sentence create?
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  I have. A lot of anxiety, you know,
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  honestly, I'm not able to detect anything.
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  Maybe because it's just not something that I would say or
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  thing. Right.
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  Yeah. OK.
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  So then you can answer it from like the the outside vibe or
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  like the objective vibe of it. So I know that you're not
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  subjectively feeling something when you read that, but the the
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  general vibe, what's the general vibe that that kind of sentence?
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  Creates. I'm terrified the world is so
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  cold. OK, nice.
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  I'm all. Alone.
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  I need to. I need to hire Johan D'souza.
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  I need to hire Doctor D'souza. OK.
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  So do you see that word have second word OK?
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  Select it all right. Replace it with the word create.
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  I create a lot of anxiety. Oh no.
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  Am I that person? What what's, what's the?
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  What's the? Oh no.
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  I don't want to create anxiety in people's lives.
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  OK. Oh, I guess.
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  You're saying I'm creating my own anxiety, Is that?
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  Is that what you're trying to hear?
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  So this is about. Oh, yes, I see.
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  I see. Correct.
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  This is like a first person. Yeah, got it.
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  OK. Oh.
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  OK, I create a lot of anxiety. Oh, OK, well, hey.
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  It's I can do something about this, I can change this.
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  Bingo. Right.
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  Exactly, exactly. So this is moving.
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  Have is a is a sneaky version of what's called a projection.
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  Projections do a great job of putting what you want out of
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  arm's reach. It's out there.
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  It's either inevitable, or it's destiny or someone else's fault
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  or whatever. A reflection highlights what
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  part of the situation you have control over.
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  So it puts you back in the driver's seat Exactly.
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  Yeah, exactly. So we can turn that up even
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  more. We could, for example, between
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  of and anxiety, put in the word my.
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  I create a lot of my anxiety. Yeah, Yeah, it's so true.
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  Thank you. So, so at first it can feel like
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  a, a sucker punch or whatever, a kick in the teeth.
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  In reality, this is, this is liberating because it means
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  there's something we can do about it and it and it helps us
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  realize that again. So like a quick example, I was
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  working with a mom and she was working on organizing an emotion
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  that was related to a middle school experience.
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  So there was this early middle school experience in which she
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  was waiting in the principal's office for a in order to
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  participate for academic competition.
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  And she was just, you know, scaring the crap out of herself
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  and tons of pressure. And now if I was wanting to do a
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  good job of not helping her, I would ask her to just verbally
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  tell me all about this story. I'd make sure that she'd never
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  be able to see the actual words that she's using so that she
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  would just spiral and cycle in this story and either talk with
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  me for a couple of sessions and then feel like it didn't go
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  anywhere. Hop to another therapist, talk
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  to a couple sessions, feel like it doesn't go anywhere, and talk
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  yourself in circles. Luckily, I didn't do that.
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  I had her write out this story. And so because we wrote out that
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  story, we got to see a very little interesting sentence in
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  that story, which was I loved academic competitions and they
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  took it away from me. Yikes.
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  Well, that's an interesting response.
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  We looked at the structure of that sentence.
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  Again, a lot of this is mechanical thing.
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  We took out they and we put an I, I loved academic competitions
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  and I took it away from me and and let her stare at that
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  without smarty pants, without, you know, look what you've done,
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  vibe with honest, open curiosity without any judgement.
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  And what does that do that that she she lit up.
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  She's like, well, if I took it away from me, I can give it
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  back. Yes, good job.
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  I can give it back. And so then, you know, two
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  months later, she's telling me how she's getting back into
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  reading and writing, and she's picking up all these other
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  hobbies because, one, she realized that her emotions are
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  an area of her life that can be organized.
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  And two, she used all her physical senses to participate
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  in that organization. She didn't just talk about it
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  and only hear it. She was able to see it and touch
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  it and then therefore create a lot more fruit out of it.
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  Shall we end with one other game?
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  God, they will have to do this one quick though.
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  OK, cool, it'll be one more for the listener and but do also
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  write this sentence out. We won't do a debrief.
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  We'll just we'll do the change and then you close with whatever
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  you would like and cool. So write out these words.
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  Dear listener, I surrender to God's will for my life, even if
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  that means an outcome that I don't want.
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  All my life's where it collapses for my eyes.
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  This isn't a joke, Andy. This isn't a laughing.
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  Matter did you have you have a great dry delivery?
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  OK, so I surrender to God's will for my life, even if that means
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  an outcome that I don't want. Please read that sentence out
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  loud. I surrender to God's will for my
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  life, even if that means all my life's work collapses before my
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  eyes. It's liberating.
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  I like that. OK, cool.
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  Sweet. So we've talked about dramatics
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  to moderations that was taking out even we've talked about a
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  projection to a reflection that is I have a lot of anxiety to I
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  create a lot of my anxiety. Now we're going to play with
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  something that's called a negation and negation is what is
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  not the case, what you don't want, what you don't believe,
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  what you don't like, blah, blah, blah, flipping it to what is the
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  case, what you do want, what what you do feel, etcetera.
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  So you see that second to last word Johan don't I want you to
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  select the N, the apostrophe and the T and I want you to delete
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  it and then re read the entire sentence.
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  Wait, I don't. Sorry.
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  There's no don't in here. You should have the following
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  sentence on your document. I surrender to God's will for my
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  life, even if that means an outcome that I don't want.
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  Oh. Oh, oh, sorry.
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  I thought I was supposed to. I thought that was like
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  parenthetical and I was supposed to put the outcome that I don't.
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  Want no, put that whole thing in.
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  Yeah, yeah. Even if that means an outcome
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  that I don't want. OK, even if that means an
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  outcome that I do want. I've never thought of it like
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  that. I surrender to God's will for my
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  life. Even if that means an outcome
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  that I do want. All right, this is this is a
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  head scratcher here. Yeah.
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  It's like giving me permission to be successful.
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  Take out the like, it's like giving me permission to be
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  successful. It's giving me permission to be
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  successful. It's giving me.
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  Permission to be. It's giving me permission to be
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  successful. You're good it.
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  Look at the sentence. It's giving me permission to be
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  successful. No, no, I had.
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  To change it to I, I'm giving you.
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  Permission to be successful. I'm giving me permission to be
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  successful. Darn it, I'm giving me
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  permission. To are you giving or is it
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  already given? I give permission.
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  Oh, wow, I give. Yeah.
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  So there's there's. We're playing OK, but I.
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  Don't know how you do this. This kind of jiu jitsu, this
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  verbal jiu jitsu worthy of a analytical philosopher.
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  Are you an analytical philosopher?
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  Who knows that? Was a good response.
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  An analytical philosopher would say that.
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  Worth it. So I know, I know we're at we're
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  at time. How would you like to wrap
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  things up? Why don't you pitch where people
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  can't find you? OK, So you said, I never thought
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  about it that way. That is a large part of
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  mechanical opportunity. So the words that we use shape
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  the thoughts that we have and the images that we paint in our
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  mind and the feelings that we feel in our heart.
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  You can learn this. It is a learnable skill.
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  It's not complicated and we can focus on that.
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  There's 4 main patterns. If you'd like to learn more
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  about those patterns, how that plays into your mindset, and if
• 37:55
  you'd like to learn a method for organizing your life that
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  doesn't just extend to mindset, but also is applicable to how
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  you organize your to do lists. Also how you've organized your
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  knowledge. If you're a writer or thinker or
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  speaker, come to our website www.heal.co.
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  That is HE l.co. Poke around, click the buttons,
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  and I've written a series of letters in which I explained
• 38:27
  these principles and all that can be read for free going to
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  our website, heal.co. Thank you, Andy, thanks for
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