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Wired To Hunt Podcast #218: Advanced Wind Tactics, Target Panic, Collecting Deer Data and More · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm
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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This is episode number two hundred
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Speaker 1: and eighteen, and today the show, Dan, myself and our
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Speaker 1: buddy Andy may are tackling listenersmitted questions on topics such
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Speaker 1: as target, panic, analyzing, dear data, sent control, and advanced
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Speaker 1: wind strategies. All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast.
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Speaker 1: And today it's gonna be a fun episode. It's it's
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Speaker 1: kind of a BS session slash Q and a session
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Speaker 1: with the nine Fingered Wonder Dan Johnson and also our
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Speaker 1: buddy Andy may Ore d I Y white Tail Extraordinaire.
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Speaker 1: And um, we're to cover all sorts of stuff. Um
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Speaker 1: We've got questions related to you know, how to plan
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Speaker 1: d I Y trips, to what kind of harnesses are
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Speaker 1: good to use to send control, questions to um everything
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Speaker 1: about deal it's harder, panic, Just a whole slew of
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Speaker 1: wide and vary questions. But um, before we get to
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Speaker 1: the questions, I want to first offer a correction of
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Speaker 1: sorts and then I want to dive into what's new
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Speaker 1: with you Dan and you Andy? UM. But first correction
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Speaker 1: or sort of an addition to the conversation we had
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Speaker 1: in last week's episode. So if you haven't heard episode
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Speaker 1: two seventeen, we had this episode with the folks over
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Speaker 1: from Modern Huntsmen, and the conversation was all about UM
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Speaker 1: their perspectives on how we might want to think about
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Speaker 1: adjusting the way we communicate about hunting so that it's
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Speaker 1: it's UM easy to bring new hunters into the fold,
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Speaker 1: so that we're doing a slightly better job of improving
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Speaker 1: kind of the the perception of hunting to the outside world.
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Speaker 1: So there's a whole bunch of different ideas and UM
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Speaker 1: perspectives and thoughts shared on ways to do that. UH.
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Speaker 1: And I think it's a really important conversation, and I
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Speaker 1: think it's an important thing. But there's one thing that
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure I did a good enough job of mentioning,
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Speaker 1: and it's this, And I just want to make sure
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Speaker 1: we say this that as much as we need to
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Speaker 1: be careful and considered about how we present hunting and
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Speaker 1: how we communicate about hunting, UM, as much as that
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Speaker 1: is important, at the same time, it's my opinion that
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Speaker 1: We don't need to apologize for hunting. We shouldn't need
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Speaker 1: to feel like we need to hide what hunting is
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Speaker 1: or that we need to not be proud of it.
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Speaker 1: We should be proud of who we are. We should
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Speaker 1: be proud hunters. We can do that, though, I think
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Speaker 1: in a way that achieves both things. We can be
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Speaker 1: a proud hunter and also be positive representatives of hunting.
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Speaker 1: I think there's a happy medium in there where we
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Speaker 1: don't need to sugarcoat what we're doing, but at the
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Speaker 1: same time, we don't need to present something that's appalling
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Speaker 1: to the rest of the world either. UM So that's
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Speaker 1: just one thing I want to make sure that's out
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Speaker 1: there in the world, is that there's a way that
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Speaker 1: we can be true to ourselves and be positive representatives.
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Speaker 1: UM no need to pretend that we're not doing what
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Speaker 1: we're doing. So that's my small, tiny update from last
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Speaker 1: week's episode. Dan Johnson, I guess before anything else, do
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Speaker 1: you agree with that? R? Wow? All right, Dan's excited.
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Speaker 1: I'm fired out, fired out? Okay, what do you fired at? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I agree with it, and kind of I am fired
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Speaker 1: up about life. You had a great trip, right right, right,
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Speaker 1: had a great trip, um, and it's kind of funny
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Speaker 1: you mentioned this, um, you know, not apologizing were being
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Speaker 1: a hunter. My trip was out to California, where everybody,
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Speaker 1: you know, very liberal state so to speak, especially the
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Speaker 1: area that I was around, and hunting came up in conversation, um,
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Speaker 1: because I, you know, I would wear maybe a hunting
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Speaker 1: T shirt or what do you do in you know,
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Speaker 1: what do you do? And then my wife mentioned that,
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Speaker 1: you know, I have a hunting podcast and all this stuff,
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Speaker 1: and it was really really cool to be able to say,
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm a bow hunter. And by the way,
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Speaker 1: people think that all hunting is done with guns out there.
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Speaker 1: Every person I talked to and then I mentioned that
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Speaker 1: I only you know, hunted deer with archery equipment, and
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Speaker 1: their mind, the people that I talked to that someone
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Speaker 1: was doing something so primitive still these days, and they
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Speaker 1: had this, you know, this vision that all hunters were
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Speaker 1: gun hunters, and it was it was awesome to kind
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Speaker 1: of walk them through what I did, how I did it,
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Speaker 1: you know, walk them through you know, hey, I don't
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Speaker 1: I don't just hunt for the antlers. I used the
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Speaker 1: meat too, And that was another misconception that they had
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Speaker 1: that they they felt that they people only hunted with
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Speaker 1: guns and that they only hunted for like animals with
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Speaker 1: large horns or antlers. So people were pretty open to
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Speaker 1: like that conversation though, like they're curious. It wasn't like
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Speaker 1: they shut you out as soon as they found out
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Speaker 1: you were a hunter. Um No, not really. The people
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Speaker 1: that I talked to were intrigued first of all, and
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Speaker 1: then as I kind of you know, you could tell
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Speaker 1: that they maybe had run into someone before, had an
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Speaker 1: interaction with a hunter before that probably did not do
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Speaker 1: a good job. But I made it a point to
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Speaker 1: get my entire um, i guess spiel out there, so
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Speaker 1: you know, so I didn't compare myself to the stereotype
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Speaker 1: that they had probably been introduced to first of all,
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Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, that's awesome that I
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Speaker 1: always I love those opportunities when you get to have
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Speaker 1: talk to someone who is intrigued, you know, and and
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Speaker 1: and offer the context you know. So often, like you said,
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Speaker 1: there's a stereotype and people never never get a chance
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Speaker 1: to go deeper into what it is we do. So
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Speaker 1: when you do get that chance, I get pretty excited
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Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, And it was it was one of
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Speaker 1: the first times. It's like three times that trip where
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Speaker 1: I had to break it down for people and you know,
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Speaker 1: talk to them. They're like, oh, it doesn't dear meat
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Speaker 1: taste bad. And I'm like, it tastes bad if you
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Speaker 1: haven't cooked it right, you know, because we were up
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Speaker 1: in wine country and we were doing you know, the
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Speaker 1: conversation was always about what kind of food do you
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Speaker 1: pair with this wine or what kind of wine do
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Speaker 1: you pair with this food? So I asked, you know, like,
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Speaker 1: we eat a lot of venison in my house, and
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Speaker 1: they're like venison. I'm like, yeah, dear meat. And they're like,
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Speaker 1: you eat deer and I'm like, yeah, I'm a I'm
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Speaker 1: a hunter or whatever. I go out and I harvest
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Speaker 1: animals and I you know, clean them up, and I
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Speaker 1: feed my family with them. And there they were intrigued
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Speaker 1: by that. But then they got excited because I was
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Speaker 1: able to introduce something that I liked, which was hunting
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Speaker 1: and eating dear meat, to something that they liked to do,
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Speaker 1: and that was pair wines with specific food. So it
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Speaker 1: took this guy off in a new, completely new direction.
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Speaker 1: He's like, venison, Okay, that's a you know, that's somewhat
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Speaker 1: of a lean dark meat. So yeah, you can do
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Speaker 1: this or this or this, and so like we we
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Speaker 1: shared excitement. So that was kind of that was kind
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Speaker 1: of cool. So are you are now mm hmm No,
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Speaker 1: not even close, my man. Uh, but but I did, dude,
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Speaker 1: I did taste a lot of wines. We did go
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Speaker 1: to a lot of vineyards. It was a unique experience.
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Speaker 1: You know, that trip was pretty much brownie points for
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Speaker 1: my wife. Uh. But it was a unique experience because
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Speaker 1: and as you know, Mark, you used to live out
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Speaker 1: in that area north of San Francisco is absolutely gorgeous country.
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Speaker 1: I mean rolling, rolling hills, um big valleys. And then
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Speaker 1: the last day of the trip, we went to the Pacific. Um.
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Speaker 1: We've made one stop at a redwood forest, um Armstrong Woods,
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Speaker 1: and it just you know, the history in that area,
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Speaker 1: the you know, we we sat underneath of a tree
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Speaker 1: that was hundred years old and our yeah, years old
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Speaker 1: and ft tall. You don't get trees that, you know
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Speaker 1: like that in Iowa. And then we made it to
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Speaker 1: the coast and took Highway one all the way back
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Speaker 1: down to San Francisco and stopped at Point Reyes National Seashore. Dude,
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Speaker 1: like like a picture. I mean, it's like a painting.
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Speaker 1: It's just unbelievably beautiful. Yeah, you have, you had some
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Speaker 1: great pictures. It seemed like you had a great time
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Speaker 1: down there. But it did it did seem like um
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Speaker 1: and Andy. I'm not sure if you saw this online,
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Speaker 1: but it seemed like Dan's most favorite part of the
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Speaker 1: entire trip. He's not mentioning here publicly. I'm not sure
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Speaker 1: why he's not mentioning this, But I saw that you
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Speaker 1: became a you became a professional segue racer. I don't
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Speaker 1: care where you go. Let's say you go. Let's say
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Speaker 1: the next time we're in Uh, where's the a t
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Speaker 1: a show this year? Mark Louisville. If they have a
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Speaker 1: Louisville segue tour, you best believe I'm gonna be on it,
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Speaker 1: because dude, I looked like a nerd wear and a
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Speaker 1: yellow vest and a helmet. But writing a segue is
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Speaker 1: really fun. And I'll tell you what else is really fun.
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Speaker 1: Looking at the pictures of you writing a segue, I
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Speaker 1: laughed and laughed and I posted that series of pictures
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Speaker 1: of you on my Instagram story and we had so
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Speaker 1: many people messaged me just cracking up. So you brought
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Speaker 1: a lot of joy to people's lives this weekend. Dan,
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Speaker 1: That's what I'm here for. That's what I'm here for.
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Speaker 1: I got a question for you. Yeah, did you uh?
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Speaker 1: Did you happen to see anyone holder us out there?
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Speaker 1: You know? I did, not a lot, because I don't
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Speaker 1: know if you know this, but there in October there
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Speaker 1: was a absolutely huge gigantic fire that wiped out thousands
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Speaker 1: of houses and thousands upon thousands of acres of uh,
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Speaker 1: I guess land, and I saw man, I saw a
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Speaker 1: lot or I saw about four black tailed deer. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if one of them was a mule deer.
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Speaker 1: I'm assuming it was like a black tailed deer. Everybody
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Speaker 1: calls them coastal deer out there. But all those Now,
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Speaker 1: the the guy who, let's see, we stayed out of airbnb,
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Speaker 1: uh the last two nights. And the guy goes this morning,
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Speaker 1: when I was taking my trash out, there were five
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Speaker 1: there were five bucks standing in his yard and then
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Speaker 1: they when he went to go take his trash out,
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Speaker 1: they ran into a vineyard. And um, but that would
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Speaker 1: have been cool to see. I didn't see him. Um.
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Speaker 1: And the guy there there is a hunting presence there
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Speaker 1: because people do not like the deer eating all their profits,
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Speaker 1: so they they allow hunters to come into the vineyards
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Speaker 1: and harvest the animals. So that's that's pretty cool as well. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I know that area out there is very pretty, Like
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Speaker 1: you mentioned, I spent a little bit of time out
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Speaker 1: there just after college, and uh, I always I wish
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Speaker 1: at the time I was work there, you know, my
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Speaker 1: old day job south of San Francisco during the fall,
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Speaker 1: and so I was missing out on hunting season in
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Speaker 1: the Midwest. I wish that I had tried to figure
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Speaker 1: out how to pull off a hunt out there, just
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Speaker 1: I don't know what I would have done. Found some
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Speaker 1: public land and tried it, but I guess I was
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Speaker 1: so caught up in the job and everything I didn't
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Speaker 1: But that's one of my regrets. You know, I was
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Speaker 1: out in this very different, interesting place. I should have
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Speaker 1: tried to take advantage of that. But if I could
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Speaker 1: do it again, I would have explored that region up
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Speaker 1: by where you were at, because it seems like there
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Speaker 1: are some opportunities there. But that's cool. I'm glad you
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Speaker 1: had a good trip. Glad she's got some brownie points.
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Speaker 1: Um do you have you been able to quantify exactly
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Speaker 1: how many days of hunting this is gonna equal? Is
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Speaker 1: this equal to two weeks of rout hunts or or
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Speaker 1: what did you achieve? This is equal? This is equal
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Speaker 1: to let me think this is equal to one dear
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Speaker 1: trip or one elk trip out to Colorado in September
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Speaker 1: and potentially a mule your hunt to South Dakota in December. Man, well,
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Speaker 1: this is a wonderful investment. Yeah. I don't know about that.
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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if the the r o
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Speaker 1: I is gonna be uh worth it. But she was happy,
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Speaker 1: and you know, you know they're saying, when when mom
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Speaker 1: is happy, everybody else can be happy. So yeah, man,
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Speaker 1: that's good stuff. I'm glad it. I'm glad it went well.
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Speaker 1: Uh Andy, I saw that this past week and you
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Speaker 1: were up to some fun stuff too at the Total
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Speaker 1: Archery Challenge up in Northern Michigan. How was that? That
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Speaker 1: was great? Have you guys ever done it? No? I haven't, No, No, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's pretty incredible. Um. I went for the first time
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Speaker 1: last year, and uh, you know, I've heard about it
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Speaker 1: and see seen some like YouTube videos and stuff, and
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Speaker 1: it looked like a lot of fun. And um, I
13:47
Speaker 1: went last year with a buddy and uh it was
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Speaker 1: just it was the most fun I ever had shooting
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Speaker 1: my bow, just because you know, they incorporate they tried
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Speaker 1: to mimic the out West experience. So you know, they
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Speaker 1: you right up the ski lift, um, you know, to
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Speaker 1: the top of the mountain, and you kind of shoot
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Speaker 1: your way down, kind of hike in between, um, you know,
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Speaker 1: each each shot. So like we shot all day, fray,
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, all day Saturday, and then half a day Sunday.
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Speaker 1: But we put on seventeen miles. So that was that
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Speaker 1: was in three course. Uh, targets per course. So it's
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Speaker 1: it's cool because they incorporate, you know, the physical challenge
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Speaker 1: of you know, hiking around a lot of guys a
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Speaker 1: pack and some guys even put a little weight in
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Speaker 1: the back just to kind of you get that full
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Speaker 1: experience of of you know, an out West hunt. Um,
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Speaker 1: it's a ton of fun. They got some really tricky shots.
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Speaker 1: It's a lot of long range stuff, so you know, um,
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Speaker 1: a lot of guys kind of trained for it and uh,
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Speaker 1: you know practice their long range accuracy because there's there's
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Speaker 1: some you know, several targets over a hundred yards. Um,
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Speaker 1: you don't have to shoot at that distance. There's no rule,
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Speaker 1: you don't have to keep scores. It's really a fun shoot.
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Speaker 1: There's no winner and a loser. So if if you
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Speaker 1: walk up to a hundred yard target and you know
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Speaker 1: you don't feel comfortable, you can walk up to sixty yards.
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Speaker 1: You can walk up to forty yards and shoot it
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Speaker 1: and have fun. Um and you know, go to the
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Speaker 1: next one. So it's it's a great time. We met
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Speaker 1: a ton of people and everybody is just you know,
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Speaker 1: everybody's like you guys, just cool, fun to talk to.
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Speaker 1: You talk a lot of honey in a lot art
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Speaker 1: three and just really, I don't I don't know that
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Speaker 1: I'll ever miss it unless something, you know, with the
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Speaker 1: family comes up. I'll probably go every year. Wow. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it looks like it looks like a good time, and
15:45
Speaker 1: you've heard just everyone I talked to about it. Also
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Speaker 1: is the same thing, whether it's the one here in
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Speaker 1: Michigan or I know a lot of guys go out
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Speaker 1: to one in Montana. That seems like a great event.
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Speaker 1: Um Man, I saw you, I saw you making a
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Speaker 1: hundred and twenties six yards shot Andy, that's impressive. Yeah, yeah,
16:04
Speaker 1: well I I should almost every day, so uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: I just it. I think it's it sounds a little
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Speaker 1: more intimidating than it is. Um. You know, if you
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Speaker 1: gotta a good tune set up, and you know you
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Speaker 1: gotta you obviously gotta have some decent form and shoot
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Speaker 1: quite a bit. But you know, these days, they have
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Speaker 1: some sites that you know, you can kind of dial in,
16:27
Speaker 1: uh you know to extreme yardages, and I think what
16:31
Speaker 1: what freaks a lot of people out is, you know,
16:33
Speaker 1: it's something that distance. What happens is that your pin
16:36
Speaker 1: float looks huge, right, so it looks like your pins
16:39
Speaker 1: dancing all over the target. But if you can kind
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Speaker 1: of ignore that and let that go and just run
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Speaker 1: through your shot sequence, you know, you'll be all right.
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Speaker 1: Use your southing done. Though. I bet I don't have enough.
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Speaker 1: I don't have enough arrows to participate in the Total
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Speaker 1: Archery Challenge. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's there's a it's funny,
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Speaker 1: there's a bucket there that's uh, you know, all the
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Speaker 1: broken arrows. You know that, Um, you know that people
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Speaker 1: pick up throughout the course and it's just chuck full
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Speaker 1: of them. And I don't know. I put a YouTube
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Speaker 1: video on my Facebook page, but there's a on this
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Speaker 1: one target you're shooting. It was like ninety six yards
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Speaker 1: and you're you gotta thread it between two trees that
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Speaker 1: are i don't know, maybe twenty inches apart at a
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Speaker 1: dough or I think it was a buck target. Um.
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Speaker 1: But the tree on the right had about sixty arrow inserts.
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Speaker 1: The tree looked like it was about to tip over.
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Speaker 1: It was so funny. But yeah, it's it's a good time.
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Speaker 1: You go. They're kind of expecting, you know, you know,
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Speaker 1: to lose a few arrows. I had some buddies that
17:44
Speaker 1: went for the first time and they most of these
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Speaker 1: guys had never shot over you know, probably fifty sixty yards,
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Speaker 1: but they practiced, you know, and they got a site,
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Speaker 1: an adjustable site where they could kind of dial into
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Speaker 1: those longer yards is and they did They did good.
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Speaker 1: They did a good job. It was fun nice. So
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Speaker 1: that that sounds like an awesome time, Andy, um So,
18:06
Speaker 1: so I want to jump in now and give you
18:08
Speaker 1: guys two pieces of news from me. Um. I've got
18:12
Speaker 1: one piece of good news and I've got one piece
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Speaker 1: of bad news. Which do you want to hear? First
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Speaker 1: bad bad Okay, the bad news is that me and
18:23
Speaker 1: further lost our ohio lease, Oh man, did they find out?
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Speaker 1: Did they find out that you merged with Ronella? And
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Speaker 1: they they said, hey man, this guy's got some money.
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Speaker 1: He has to have some money. Uh, let's charge up more.
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Speaker 1: And then you're like, screw that. I'm not gonna pay
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Speaker 1: that ridiculous. You know, that's an interesting uh scenario, you
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Speaker 1: paint their dam. But no, that's not what happened. Um. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: the situation is that um, the landowners, um, I have
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Speaker 1: got to an age where they cannot live there anymore,
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Speaker 1: and their children are selling the property. So yeah, been
19:05
Speaker 1: there many Yeah, it's a major bumber. Had a lot
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Speaker 1: of really good memories out there, a lot of great
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Speaker 1: hunting trips over the last oh gosh, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: six seven years now. So but how how bummed are
19:20
Speaker 1: you actually, because it sounds to me like the last
19:23
Speaker 1: couple of years, although that that leash produced some big
19:27
Speaker 1: deer in the past, like, it sounds to me like
19:29
Speaker 1: it was trending downhill. Anyway, It was trending downhill, yes,
19:34
Speaker 1: but still like compared to anything I had in Michigan,
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Speaker 1: it was still the best chance I have to see
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Speaker 1: or kill a mature buck, you know, even though it's
19:42
Speaker 1: a small limited property. Um pressure increasing. But but nowhere
19:48
Speaker 1: else do I hunt where I was seeing those kinds
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Speaker 1: of deer. Um. So I'm just now now it's just
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Speaker 1: like square one. The one thing is at least I
19:55
Speaker 1: had that in my back pocket, you know. Now it's
19:58
Speaker 1: what am I going to do for ohile? So that'll
20:02
Speaker 1: be a fun new challenge to figure out over the
20:04
Speaker 1: next couple of months. I guess nothing like summer timing
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Speaker 1: for that. I guess it could be worse. So that's
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Speaker 1: the bad news. I'm sure we'll have more to share
20:14
Speaker 1: in that in future episodes. Is I kind of figure
20:16
Speaker 1: out what my other options are? Um? Good news though, well,
20:21
Speaker 1: we'll focus on the good I think I saw holy
20:24
Speaker 1: Field last night. What yep, Um, are you laughing over
20:33
Speaker 1: the da Yes, you know, here's what's gonna happen. Um,
20:38
Speaker 1: you're gonna You're probably gonna if I know you at all,
20:40
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna change your mind, you know, and you
20:43
Speaker 1: might dedicate another season to this buck. Um. I just
20:48
Speaker 1: recommend like practicing hundred yard shots from a tree stand.
20:52
Speaker 1: That way you can at least give yourself an opportunity
20:56
Speaker 1: at him this year. Yeah, I I sense holy Field
21:04
Speaker 1: fatigue from you, Dan, which, dude, it's cool. I've been
21:10
Speaker 1: through the I've been through the same thing. But um,
21:14
Speaker 1: it's just one of these things I think for me,
21:17
Speaker 1: you know, I followed these books for a long time,
21:20
Speaker 1: like or for sets of Deer or whatever, for a
21:24
Speaker 1: long periods of time, and it's the moment that you
21:27
Speaker 1: least expect it is the moment it will happen. It's
21:30
Speaker 1: almost like you forget about it and then all of
21:34
Speaker 1: a sudden, that is the day that holy Field will
21:36
Speaker 1: show up in a shooting line. Yeah. Well, uh, you know,
21:39
Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about it a month or
21:41
Speaker 1: two ago. But just how, And I won't belabor the
21:43
Speaker 1: point too much now, but just how. My strategy this
21:46
Speaker 1: year is probably gonna be too, not be so singlemindedly
21:50
Speaker 1: focused on them. Like I've got a lot of things
21:51
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be doing here in the off season, trying
21:53
Speaker 1: to make sure I'm prepared, but I'm not gonna obsess
21:56
Speaker 1: over it too much. And you know, if there's other
21:59
Speaker 1: opportunit and he's the other deer, I'll probably take that too,
22:02
Speaker 1: So him. Well, I don't know on but um, I
22:08
Speaker 1: was able to watch these big batchelor group of bucks
22:11
Speaker 1: in a bean field a couple hundred yards away with
22:13
Speaker 1: a spotting scope and it was right at last light.
22:16
Speaker 1: So I can't say for sure, but based off the
22:18
Speaker 1: brow times and the main beams spread and everything so far,
22:22
Speaker 1: it looks like the brow times and everything match what
22:25
Speaker 1: he looks like. Um. And I thought, you know, one time,
22:28
Speaker 1: I thought when his ear was like kind of backlit
22:30
Speaker 1: by the sky, I thought I could see a chunk
22:32
Speaker 1: missing from the ear. Um. So I'm not a percent sure,
22:36
Speaker 1: but it looks like as close of a match as
22:39
Speaker 1: you could possibly get at this point in the growth.
22:42
Speaker 1: So hopefully he'll be out there again. Whatever that buck was,
22:45
Speaker 1: Hopefully he'll be back again sometime soon, and maybe he'll
22:47
Speaker 1: be with more daylight and I can get a better
22:50
Speaker 1: look at him. But um, but encouraging that there's at
22:52
Speaker 1: least one mature buck closest property. So it wasn't on
22:56
Speaker 1: the proper deckon hunt. It was across the road from it,
22:59
Speaker 1: but but right there, and and that certainly could be
23:02
Speaker 1: where he's at. So that was good to see. That
23:04
Speaker 1: was awesome. Yeah, pretty cool, you got cameras out, you know,
23:10
Speaker 1: I actually don't. Um, I was you know, usually I
23:13
Speaker 1: get him out earlier in the year, but um, but
23:15
Speaker 1: this year I was thinking of just kind of holding
23:16
Speaker 1: off and getting him out probably right before I leave
23:20
Speaker 1: for Montana. So probably two weeks from now, I'll put
23:22
Speaker 1: him out and just having fresh batteries and writer rock
23:24
Speaker 1: and roll and let him soak for for a month
23:27
Speaker 1: a month and a half and check him in August.
23:29
Speaker 1: So that's my game plan. Good luck, buddy, Thank you.
23:34
Speaker 1: Sarah Mark. Do you have a um an out West
23:37
Speaker 1: white Tail Hunt playing this year again? Yeah, so I
23:40
Speaker 1: got I've got him Montana white Tail tag again. Um.
23:43
Speaker 1: So definitely gonna do that. Um and then small chance.
23:48
Speaker 1: I'm still decide on whether or not I'm going to
23:50
Speaker 1: do the North Dakota thing. Um I've got. I've scouted
23:53
Speaker 1: out some great spots this spring, so I feel like
23:55
Speaker 1: I'd love to get out there. It's just a matter
23:57
Speaker 1: of can I slip in the North Dakota trip everything
24:00
Speaker 1: else I've got going on without, you know, leaving my
24:04
Speaker 1: family responsibilities too much. So yeah, you found a bunch
24:07
Speaker 1: of sheds out in North Dakota too, right, Oh yeah, yeah,
24:11
Speaker 1: found some found some good looking sheds. So I'd love
24:14
Speaker 1: to hunt one of that deer that I found with
24:16
Speaker 1: the draft time. I'd love to I'd love to get
24:19
Speaker 1: after that buck. That'd be that'd be a unique opportunity.
24:22
Speaker 1: So cool, we'll see, very cool. But you could always
24:25
Speaker 1: you can always get a flat tire. I mean Montana
24:29
Speaker 1: or North Dakota is in between Montana and Michigan. It's true,
24:35
Speaker 1: so I could probably break down. So this is the
24:38
Speaker 1: phone the phone call I make to my wife is
24:39
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry hunting, but the cars broke down outside
24:42
Speaker 1: a piece of public land in North Dakota, and I'm
24:44
Speaker 1: gonna have it hunt here for a week. Yeah, that
24:49
Speaker 1: seems like that'll fly. Um, okay, so do you guys
24:55
Speaker 1: want to answer some some questions from the listeners. Let's
24:59
Speaker 1: do it all right. Um, Let's take a quick break
25:03
Speaker 1: then to thank our partners at White Tail Properties, and
25:06
Speaker 1: then we'll get to those questions. This week with white
25:10
Speaker 1: Tail Properties, we are joined by Brandon Schwartzlander, a land
25:13
Speaker 1: specialist out of Illinois, and Brandon is going to be
25:16
Speaker 1: telling us about the importance of getting the next generation
25:18
Speaker 1: involved with land management. You know, that's a great question.
25:23
Speaker 1: I think, Uh me personally, I think getting kids involved early,
25:28
Speaker 1: and maybe not just kids, but but anyone who hasn't
25:31
Speaker 1: experienced the outdoors or land. I mean, it's it's just
25:35
Speaker 1: such an awesome advance. I honestly gotta potench myself sometimes
25:38
Speaker 1: because I get to do this for a living. But
25:41
Speaker 1: you know when when I have girls and some of
25:45
Speaker 1: them hunt, some of them don't hunt, but just just
25:49
Speaker 1: being out we all shoot, we all shoot bowse um,
25:53
Speaker 1: and we all experienced the outdoors, we shed hunts, we
25:55
Speaker 1: do all those things together. I just think that you
25:57
Speaker 1: can take away so much or by spending time with
26:02
Speaker 1: whether it's your family or friends or whomever in in
26:05
Speaker 1: the woods or or you know, on a piece of land.
26:08
Speaker 1: It's it's it's so much better than than you know,
26:12
Speaker 1: having a phone stuck in your face or a laptop
26:14
Speaker 1: or whatever. I just think it gives us an opportunity
26:17
Speaker 1: to go back to to what we were raised on
26:19
Speaker 1: and and I think, you know, maybe maybe that's missing
26:22
Speaker 1: to some degree and in society today. But I just
26:26
Speaker 1: think when when you introduce things at an early age,
26:28
Speaker 1: I think I was probably five when I started um
26:31
Speaker 1: in the outdoors with my dad. But it makes you
26:34
Speaker 1: want to be better and it takes you away from,
26:38
Speaker 1: you know, things that that can be a negative influence.
26:40
Speaker 1: I just I feel like it's it's such a positive
26:42
Speaker 1: thing for especially with family. I mean, when you can
26:45
Speaker 1: can do those things with your kids and your wife
26:48
Speaker 1: or whatever. If you'd like to learn more and to
26:50
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26:54
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27:04
Speaker 1: I want to start with a softball here, real quick,
27:09
Speaker 1: this is this is really a softball. We got a
27:11
Speaker 1: question from a guy named Jason on Instagram and he
27:15
Speaker 1: said he said that he's been that he actually just
27:17
Speaker 1: put purchased in Lone Wolf stands and sticks based off
27:21
Speaker 1: of what Dan and I have been saying about them
27:23
Speaker 1: the past, but he did not like the harness that
27:26
Speaker 1: came with it, so he was curious what types of
27:29
Speaker 1: safety harnesses do we use? What should we consider when
27:33
Speaker 1: purchasing a safety harness that kind of stuff. So quick
27:36
Speaker 1: gear question here, Dan, what's your safety harness? A choice? Well,
27:41
Speaker 1: I am using a lone Wolf. I've been using the
27:44
Speaker 1: lone Wolf h safety harness for a long time. But
27:48
Speaker 1: I've also in the past used those vests. So it's
27:54
Speaker 1: it's a like a vest you put on and all
27:57
Speaker 1: you do is have to buckle it one time right
27:59
Speaker 1: up front, easy and then you do your legs uh
28:03
Speaker 1: and you're done. And that's it's a really easy way
28:05
Speaker 1: to um to do that. I don't use it anymore
28:10
Speaker 1: because I felt like there's points or times where it
28:13
Speaker 1: would restrict some movement and I didn't like that, so
28:19
Speaker 1: that I went to a full harness and not the vest.
28:22
Speaker 1: So that's what I use. And when you say you're
28:25
Speaker 1: using the lone wolf uh harness, that's not it's not
28:28
Speaker 1: the freebie one that comes over a tree stande. No
28:31
Speaker 1: it's not. Yeah, you're right, clarify, Yeah, it is not
28:34
Speaker 1: the free one that comes with the tree stay and
28:36
Speaker 1: I have the the other one with the padded straps
28:39
Speaker 1: and all the all the all the goodies. Yeah, because
28:42
Speaker 1: because those ones that come with tree stands. While while
28:44
Speaker 1: I appreciate the fact they're giving you something, I don't
28:47
Speaker 1: know anyone who actually uses those or finds it to
28:50
Speaker 1: be a great option. I have a box in my
28:53
Speaker 1: garage that of every tree stand I've ever purchased or
28:58
Speaker 1: have received. I have a box of safety harnesses that
29:03
Speaker 1: come with those tree stands. Yeah yeah, what what do
29:06
Speaker 1: you using? Andy? Um? I actually use a rock climbing harness.
29:11
Speaker 1: Have you guys heard of anybody using those? I have
29:14
Speaker 1: heard of that I have. I've been intrigued by it.
29:17
Speaker 1: Tell us, tell us more. Um well, Uh, there's a
29:23
Speaker 1: buddy of mine. We actually when we when we all
29:26
Speaker 1: went down to Louisiana, it was one of the guys
29:28
Speaker 1: that met us at the bar um before that, long
29:32
Speaker 1: before that, Um, I had talked to him and he
29:35
Speaker 1: had started using a a rock climbing harness, And I
29:39
Speaker 1: like the idea. I just don't like having straps and
29:43
Speaker 1: you know, all an abundance of stuff like on my
29:45
Speaker 1: chest and shoulders, and um I never did really like that.
29:50
Speaker 1: So I like the idea of just wearing something around
29:52
Speaker 1: my waist. Um. So, he kind of had been doing
29:56
Speaker 1: it for a year or two, and I think he
29:58
Speaker 1: had some threads on archery talk and unning beasts and
30:00
Speaker 1: that sort of thing, and um so, uh, you know,
30:04
Speaker 1: he did some testing, like some fall testing, like turning
30:07
Speaker 1: upside down in the in the tree wearing one and um,
30:11
Speaker 1: you know kind of the theory that rock climbers use it. Um,
30:15
Speaker 1: you know, so they are safe. And I like the
30:18
Speaker 1: fact that, you know, you still tell her to the
30:20
Speaker 1: tree um like you would with your your regular you know,
30:24
Speaker 1: tree stand harness, except it comes around um, you know,
30:28
Speaker 1: your right side if you're if you're a right handed shooter,
30:30
Speaker 1: comes around your right side and clips on to a
30:33
Speaker 1: little ballet loop and then your your waist belt and
30:36
Speaker 1: it's it's just right there. It's out of the way. UM.
30:39
Speaker 1: I can have it really snug um so that there's
30:42
Speaker 1: no like, if I were to fall, there would be
30:45
Speaker 1: no um like there there would be actually no drop.
30:50
Speaker 1: It would catch me right away. I'd literally just swing
30:53
Speaker 1: to the side of the tree. Does that make sense, Yeah, yeah,
30:55
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. So I've been using that for a lot
30:58
Speaker 1: of years. When I sit in a tree stand, um,
31:00
Speaker 1: I do use a uh like a tree saddle sling
31:04
Speaker 1: um quite a bit of the time to um. But
31:07
Speaker 1: but when I'm in a tree stand, I I use
31:09
Speaker 1: my rock climbing harness. And actually most of my friends
31:12
Speaker 1: have converted to that too. Yeah. I haven't gone that route,
31:17
Speaker 1: but I'm I've always been really intrigued by it because,
31:20
Speaker 1: like you said, less bulk, less straps, less stuff to
31:23
Speaker 1: have on you. Um, that's that's gotta be nice. But
31:27
Speaker 1: but I imagine you really got to know the right
31:29
Speaker 1: way to set it up. You need to be doing
31:31
Speaker 1: it the you know, in a particular fashion to make
31:33
Speaker 1: sure it's safe. Right. This isn't something to just buy
31:36
Speaker 1: rock harness and throw it on the tree and think
31:38
Speaker 1: you're okay, you should probably do. I'm not gonna yeah,
31:41
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna recommend it to anyone. Um, it's it's
31:43
Speaker 1: actually very simple. Um, I feel I feel more safe
31:48
Speaker 1: in it, to be honest with you, because if in
31:49
Speaker 1: the event that you do take a slip, um you
31:53
Speaker 1: you know, you swing to the side of the tree
31:55
Speaker 1: and you're facing the tree so you can climb right
31:59
Speaker 1: back up. In fact, he demonstrated that in the video.
32:01
Speaker 1: You know, it kind of fell off the stand and
32:04
Speaker 1: you turn and you face the tree, where in a
32:07
Speaker 1: traditional tree stand harness you might fall and you're facing
32:10
Speaker 1: away from the tree, which kind of have to spin
32:12
Speaker 1: yourself around. You know. I think they're both plenty safe,
32:15
Speaker 1: but yeah, I I mean, I don't go as far
32:17
Speaker 1: as to recommend it because I think you should do
32:20
Speaker 1: your research and make your own decision. But I, for me,
32:23
Speaker 1: I really like it and I feel completely safe in it. Yeah,
32:26
Speaker 1: you mentioned saddles too. I'm I've actually got a saddle
32:29
Speaker 1: on the way. Finally I'm gonna try. I'm gonna try
32:33
Speaker 1: hunting in a saddle this year, and uh see how
32:35
Speaker 1: that goes. I'm excited to put that to the test.
32:38
Speaker 1: Very cool. I have one thing that is preventing me
32:43
Speaker 1: from trying a saddle, and and Andy Mark, you guys
32:48
Speaker 1: both know that sometimes you are in some really thick
32:52
Speaker 1: and nasty type terrain where you know, lots of vegetation,
32:57
Speaker 1: and I just can't get over the fact that if
33:01
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I draw with my right hand, so
33:04
Speaker 1: if I'm facing one direction and a deer comes from
33:10
Speaker 1: my right hand side, I have to, like, I have
33:15
Speaker 1: to move a lot in that tree or like or
33:19
Speaker 1: let him pass if if I'm going to take that shot.
33:23
Speaker 1: And that's something for some reason, I can't get over that.
33:26
Speaker 1: How do you have that? Um, well, it's in that
33:31
Speaker 1: situation when a deer comes on your your kind of
33:34
Speaker 1: your weak side, I guess, or you're off shooting side,
33:38
Speaker 1: you know, you can, Uh, you can't. You can actually,
33:41
Speaker 1: you know, depending on where it's at, you can actually
33:44
Speaker 1: stay where you are and kind of twist um. You have.
33:47
Speaker 1: What you have is something called the bridge and it's
33:50
Speaker 1: a little um like a rope attachment that that hooks
33:53
Speaker 1: to the tree to other and you can actually slide
33:55
Speaker 1: and turn and make that right handed shot. Your other
33:58
Speaker 1: option is to kind of, like you said, creates a
34:00
Speaker 1: little more movement, is is swinging around the tree to
34:03
Speaker 1: the left side to make that shot. I I love
34:08
Speaker 1: hunting out of a saddle, um because you wear it
34:10
Speaker 1: in like a pair of shorts, you know, basically UM.
34:14
Speaker 1: But there I don't think it's the best thing for
34:18
Speaker 1: every situation. That's just my opinion. UM. Like, if you're
34:21
Speaker 1: in a you know there there's some there's some trees
34:25
Speaker 1: I can think of that have maybe have a lot
34:26
Speaker 1: of limbs sticking out um that you can't trim, you know,
34:30
Speaker 1: um or maybe like a cedar tree or or pine
34:33
Speaker 1: tree or something like that. I think those are better
34:35
Speaker 1: suited for tree stands. UM. But you know, if they
34:39
Speaker 1: if you have, um, a tree that you know maybe
34:43
Speaker 1: kind of splits is maybe a single trunk tree or
34:47
Speaker 1: a tree that splits up into two trunks and you
34:49
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of little limbs coming off left
34:51
Speaker 1: and right. Um, that's kind of where they shine. And
34:54
Speaker 1: in a lot of times you can find trees that work. Um,
34:57
Speaker 1: you know, most of the time you can find trees
35:00
Speaker 1: work in the saddle. I tend to get a little
35:02
Speaker 1: higher up in the saddle. And what's cool about it
35:04
Speaker 1: is you can you can put the tree you you
35:07
Speaker 1: you try to put the tree in between where you
35:09
Speaker 1: think the deer is going to come in yourself. So
35:11
Speaker 1: you're kind of almost using it as a shield a blocker,
35:15
Speaker 1: whereas a tree stand you'd be facing that direction or
35:18
Speaker 1: or facing to the right so you could shoot it,
35:21
Speaker 1: you know, going off to your left hand side. That
35:23
Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, so you're saying that, you, well, maybe
35:27
Speaker 1: you need to sacrifice a little bit of cover so
35:29
Speaker 1: that you're able to swing around the tree and stuff.
35:31
Speaker 1: You can account for that by height and being on
35:34
Speaker 1: the other side. Is that what you're kind of saying. Yeah.
35:37
Speaker 1: And another thing about the saddle that I think is,
35:42
Speaker 1: you know that kind of is a benefit to it.
35:45
Speaker 1: The way that you hang off the tree, you are
35:49
Speaker 1: shaped more like a limb. You come off at kind
35:51
Speaker 1: of like a forty five degree angle. Especially if you're leaning,
35:54
Speaker 1: you look you look more like a tree branch a limb,
35:58
Speaker 1: as opposed to like in a tree stand, you look
36:00
Speaker 1: like a giant ball sticking off the side of the tree.
36:02
Speaker 1: Unless you're you know, if you see the deer coming,
36:05
Speaker 1: you can stand up and kind of suck into the
36:07
Speaker 1: trunk of the tree and kind of blend in a
36:08
Speaker 1: little bit. That's that's a better situation. But they I've
36:12
Speaker 1: never I've hunted out of him a lot, and I've
36:15
Speaker 1: shot quite a few deer out of them, and I've
36:17
Speaker 1: never had a situation where, um, I thought it hindered
36:22
Speaker 1: me um as far as having to move too much,
36:25
Speaker 1: and I've I've had to move. You you know, you
36:27
Speaker 1: might have to pick your moments. But you know, if
36:31
Speaker 1: you're if you're attentive, um, you know you should have
36:33
Speaker 1: that opportunity where you you have to move. You can
36:36
Speaker 1: do it really kind of slow and methodically, just like
36:38
Speaker 1: you wouldn't tree stand where you stand and you turn,
36:41
Speaker 1: you know, turn to make your shot. You're still moving,
36:44
Speaker 1: So I would uh, I would say give it a
36:46
Speaker 1: try and mark which one are you getting? So I
36:49
Speaker 1: think I'm actually be trying to I think we're gonna
36:51
Speaker 1: try the Kestral, and then I'm also trying this new company.
36:54
Speaker 1: It's called Tethered. Um so I think I'm gonna be
36:58
Speaker 1: trying to model of both and and seeing which one
37:01
Speaker 1: I like best and see what works. Yeah. There, I
37:05
Speaker 1: know a couple of the fellows that are we're involved
37:09
Speaker 1: in developing the Mantis the tether from the Tethered company,
37:13
Speaker 1: and uh they there's some good hunters and knowledgeable guys,
37:18
Speaker 1: and I'm really looking forward to checking that one out myself,
37:21
Speaker 1: to be honest. Yeah, you know, it's been I've been
37:24
Speaker 1: intrigued with saddles for a long time, probably ever since
37:26
Speaker 1: I started reading Eberhart's books. Um but but yeah, I
37:30
Speaker 1: had some of the same concerns Dan had had concerns
37:32
Speaker 1: about how do you film with that? Um but but
37:36
Speaker 1: with all you know, like the public land or different
37:38
Speaker 1: kind of mobile hunting that I'm doing these days, it
37:41
Speaker 1: just seems so nice to not have to hauler stand
37:44
Speaker 1: and with it, you you know, just have this this
37:46
Speaker 1: thing you're wearing, walk in there, throw up some steps
37:49
Speaker 1: and there you go. I mean, that's that's really peeling.
37:52
Speaker 1: So Yeah, that was really nice down in the southern
37:55
Speaker 1: Ohio and those big hills and you know, the big
37:59
Speaker 1: woods setting with the kills and you're walking in you know,
38:01
Speaker 1: there's a there's one one spot that I really like
38:06
Speaker 1: that's a mile and three quarters in and it's it's
38:09
Speaker 1: nice to wear settle and not bringing that whole a
38:11
Speaker 1: lone wolf set up in five sticks. Yeah. So yeah, well,
38:17
Speaker 1: I'll I'll be reporting back I guess later this fall
38:20
Speaker 1: on how all that goes. But I'm excited. UM question
38:25
Speaker 1: here from Derek. This is an email question, and and
38:28
Speaker 1: this I'm kind of Me and Dan have talked about
38:30
Speaker 1: this a little bit in the past. I'm particularly interested
38:32
Speaker 1: in your opinion on this, Andy, Um. And then I've
38:34
Speaker 1: got a little bit to add. But his question is this.
38:37
Speaker 1: He says that over the last five years, I've missed
38:39
Speaker 1: more nice bucks than I've killed. When I get to
38:42
Speaker 1: full draw, I lose all mental control and can't seem
38:45
Speaker 1: to make a good shot no matter how much practice
38:47
Speaker 1: I do before season. I can put six arrows in
38:50
Speaker 1: a pipe plate at sixty yards, all with a surprise
38:53
Speaker 1: release when practicing, But then I've missed bucks cleanly at
38:56
Speaker 1: less than thirty yards, so something needs to be done.
38:59
Speaker 1: I've always consider are going to a back tension release
39:01
Speaker 1: to help force me to aim and not have to
39:03
Speaker 1: worry about punching the trigger. UM. People tell me all
39:05
Speaker 1: the time though, that it won't work. But then I
39:08
Speaker 1: listened to podcast one which is which end quote. That's
39:12
Speaker 1: a podcast we did with Joel Turner talking about this
39:15
Speaker 1: different kind of shot sequence that helps you deal with
39:18
Speaker 1: tire panic. Now back to his question, He then says,
39:21
Speaker 1: and you mentioned how you know other hunters who say
39:23
Speaker 1: they can get a back tension release to work well
39:25
Speaker 1: and to go off whenever they want. UM, you might
39:28
Speaker 1: not be able to answer this question, but if you can,
39:30
Speaker 1: do you know of a certain release that these guys
39:32
Speaker 1: are using, or is there back tension release that you've
39:34
Speaker 1: shot that you believe you could hunt with. Um. He
39:37
Speaker 1: then goes on to say that with the price of
39:38
Speaker 1: back tension releases, I can't afford to buy a bunch
39:41
Speaker 1: of buy a bunch of them and test them all out,
39:43
Speaker 1: so any information would be appreciated. So so, Andy, you
39:48
Speaker 1: helped me last summer deal with my target panic. UM,
39:52
Speaker 1: and we we did a bunch of different things and
39:55
Speaker 1: some of these things we talked about with Joel Turner
39:57
Speaker 1: earlier this year, some things we didn't, Um, could you
40:01
Speaker 1: could you just talk a little bit about what you
40:03
Speaker 1: and me did and then and then also maybe speak
40:05
Speaker 1: to his specific question about whether or not at that
40:08
Speaker 1: tension releases the right option and what models you might recommend. Sure,
40:12
Speaker 1: I this question hits home because I can relate. Um,
40:18
Speaker 1: I from the moment I started bow hunting, I was
40:23
Speaker 1: naturally a really good shot. I my first year getting
40:26
Speaker 1: a bow, I got an archery leagues and I started winning. UM.
40:30
Speaker 1: So I was naturally a good archery shot, but I
40:33
Speaker 1: was a trigger puncher. No one taught me how to shoot.
40:37
Speaker 1: I had one of those releases that had a ton
40:40
Speaker 1: of travel in it, and you know, I just kind
40:42
Speaker 1: of you know, hell I was. I was good at
40:44
Speaker 1: holding the pin on the target or close and making
40:47
Speaker 1: accurate shots. But come to find out, you know, as
40:51
Speaker 1: my hunting career went on, I experienced a lot of
40:54
Speaker 1: the same things that that this guy did. Um. You know,
40:58
Speaker 1: I didn't miss a lot of deer, but I put
41:00
Speaker 1: a lot of bad shots on der um shots that
41:04
Speaker 1: you know, in practice, like he said, I could stack arrows,
41:08
Speaker 1: you know, You're shooting laser beams all sun all summer.
41:10
Speaker 1: You feel great, and then big buck walks out in.
41:13
Speaker 1: You know you kind of you kind of come on glued.
41:16
Speaker 1: You make a terrible shot, and you know, half the
41:19
Speaker 1: time you don't even remember what happened. You know, I
41:21
Speaker 1: wasn't really in control of my shot, but I didn't
41:25
Speaker 1: have anybody to teach me. I thought what I was
41:27
Speaker 1: doing is UH was the right thing. And you know,
41:30
Speaker 1: they don't teach you that really at the archery shops.
41:33
Speaker 1: You know, you go in, you get a bowl, they
41:34
Speaker 1: set you up, they give you a trigger, you know,
41:36
Speaker 1: index trigger at lease, and send you on your way.
41:39
Speaker 1: So it usually UH for the majority of people, UM,
41:45
Speaker 1: myself included. UM, if you end up shooting a lot
41:49
Speaker 1: and hunting a lot, it ends up leading to some
41:52
Speaker 1: form of target panic. UM. And I identified mine about
41:57
Speaker 1: ten years ago. UM. And then and I did kind
42:01
Speaker 1: of the research and found, you know, some people that
42:05
Speaker 1: kind of went through those same situations. I listened to
42:08
Speaker 1: you know, John Dudley, and there's a couple of guys,
42:10
Speaker 1: a couple of really good archers on archery talk that
42:13
Speaker 1: that helped me out. And UH, I did the work
42:16
Speaker 1: to beat target panic. And you know, it was the
42:20
Speaker 1: best thing I've ever done, because ever did as far
42:22
Speaker 1: as archery, because I loved archery. But I found it
42:26
Speaker 1: so frustrating. Um. You know that. I it's almost exacerbates
42:32
Speaker 1: itself when you you start feeling that flinch and that
42:35
Speaker 1: that punching that I want. I gotta go now, I
42:37
Speaker 1: gotta do it now when that pin hits the target.
42:41
Speaker 1: So you practice more, You're like, oh God, I gotta
42:43
Speaker 1: get past this. I gotta beat this. So you focus
42:45
Speaker 1: more and it it just makes it worse. You're actually
42:48
Speaker 1: compounding the issue. So I went through the whole thing.
42:53
Speaker 1: Uh So I totally understand UM. And I think he
42:58
Speaker 1: mentioned a back tension release. What I think he's talking
43:01
Speaker 1: about is what a lot of people refer to as
43:03
Speaker 1: a back tensions as a hinge UM, A hinge release.
43:07
Speaker 1: When you see a lot of the target guys shoot.
43:10
Speaker 1: You can hunt with a hinge. I did so for
43:13
Speaker 1: a year and I made three phenomenal shots on three
43:16
Speaker 1: big bucks with it. UM, But it's not my first choice.
43:19
Speaker 1: It's a great one to learn the unanticipated release, and
43:25
Speaker 1: that's what you're trying to achieve. You're trying to achieve
43:28
Speaker 1: an unanticipated release. So it's hard to explain. I think
43:34
Speaker 1: I explained it to you, Mark because I knew, I
43:38
Speaker 1: know you're more of a techy guy, So I tried
43:40
Speaker 1: to explain it in a term you know or are,
43:43
Speaker 1: in a way that I thought might make sense to you.
43:45
Speaker 1: But like you, I told you, I said, you know,
43:50
Speaker 1: imagine that you have this pre downloaded app in your
43:55
Speaker 1: brain that whatever you look at, if you're staring at
44:00
Speaker 1: the bull's eye, if you're staring at the lungs of
44:03
Speaker 1: a deer, whatever you look at, your pin is going
44:05
Speaker 1: to constantly center itself over that spot. You don't have
44:09
Speaker 1: to do it manually, It'll automatically do that just by
44:14
Speaker 1: you looking at the spot. Okay, so your pinel move,
44:18
Speaker 1: your pin floats, and but it will constantly keep re
44:21
Speaker 1: centering itself, re centering itself over the spot that you're
44:24
Speaker 1: staring at. So I had to get comfortable with my
44:30
Speaker 1: pin float. Everybody has a pin flow. Levin Morgan has
44:33
Speaker 1: a pin float. John Dudley has a pin float. Everybody
44:35
Speaker 1: has a pin flow. They just have less of a
44:37
Speaker 1: pin float. Um. And then what you need to be
44:41
Speaker 1: able to do is run your shot execution independent of that.
44:45
Speaker 1: So what what a lot of guys fall into is
44:48
Speaker 1: they get these index releases. That one there's there's two
44:52
Speaker 1: real common ones. Those really hair trigger those really light
44:56
Speaker 1: ones that you like breathe on and they go off.
44:59
Speaker 1: Those are really bad, they'll cause target panic. And then
45:02
Speaker 1: the other really bad one is the one I think
45:04
Speaker 1: you had mark is one that you had to squeeze, squeeze, squeeze,
45:07
Speaker 1: and it like had all of this travel and before
45:10
Speaker 1: it fired. And what what that does is your brain
45:14
Speaker 1: picks up on that movement and you start to anticipate
45:17
Speaker 1: because you feel that you feel that trigger moving, you
45:20
Speaker 1: start to your brain starts to know when it's going
45:22
Speaker 1: to go off. So what you really need to what
45:27
Speaker 1: I recommend to my friends is getting something with uh
45:32
Speaker 1: like a trigger that breaks clean. Um like it can
45:36
Speaker 1: be an index finger. UM. I use the thumb release.
45:39
Speaker 1: I also have a hinge that I use, um you
45:42
Speaker 1: know in the off season because I think it just
45:45
Speaker 1: reinforces an unanticipated shot. But those triggers that are adjustable
45:51
Speaker 1: but they break clean kind of like if you had
45:53
Speaker 1: a really high dollar rifle, you know, those triggers don't move.
45:56
Speaker 1: You apply pressure and they don't move, You apply more pressure,
46:00
Speaker 1: don't move, and then finally you get to the the
46:03
Speaker 1: the amount of pressure that it takes and it breaks clean.
46:05
Speaker 1: And that's what you want. So the way I shoot
46:09
Speaker 1: and how I beat it, I actually used a hinge,
46:12
Speaker 1: but um, you know there's there's there's other ways. Um.
46:16
Speaker 1: But basically you want to get a release like that
46:19
Speaker 1: that has a an adjustable trigger. I like, especially when
46:23
Speaker 1: I'm training trying to beat target panic, I like to
46:26
Speaker 1: set it heavy so that you can load up on
46:28
Speaker 1: that trigger. There's no fear of it going off because
46:31
Speaker 1: it's heavy. You can wrap your finger around, get it
46:34
Speaker 1: deep in that knuckle if if I'm talking about an
46:36
Speaker 1: index figure here. And then, like I said, you stare
46:40
Speaker 1: at your spot. You stare at your bull's eye, you
46:43
Speaker 1: stare at your deer's vitals, your three D target, whatever,
46:46
Speaker 1: and let your pin float. You gotta get comfortable with
46:50
Speaker 1: the pin float. The pin float is normal. That that's
46:52
Speaker 1: not bad. The pin float is good. There's things you
46:56
Speaker 1: can do to minimize your pin float, but you can't
46:58
Speaker 1: let that freak you out. Just keep staring at the spot,
47:01
Speaker 1: apply pressure, and then what I do is I squeeze
47:04
Speaker 1: my back muscle. So I pulled through. I imagine like
47:07
Speaker 1: my release hand or my release arm elbow. I imagine
47:13
Speaker 1: myself trying to pull straight back and touch it to
47:17
Speaker 1: like a door or a wall or something like two
47:20
Speaker 1: inches behind it. There's obviously nothing there, but that's what
47:23
Speaker 1: I imagine. I pull pull pull. I don't squeeze my
47:26
Speaker 1: finger on my thumb. Release, I don't squeeze my thumb.
47:30
Speaker 1: They don't move. It's preloaded, and then I just pull
47:33
Speaker 1: pull pull applies pressure and it builds pressure until the
47:36
Speaker 1: shot breaks. And its the first time you do it,
47:39
Speaker 1: it's like, whoa. I remember seeing your face my first time.
47:43
Speaker 1: You were like you kind of like your whole body
47:45
Speaker 1: come bulsed. You know. It's like because yeah, because you
47:49
Speaker 1: didn't have you you let go of that control. Um
47:53
Speaker 1: so what But after you do it, you do it
47:57
Speaker 1: over and over. And that's why people say, you know,
47:59
Speaker 1: blind veiling as a really good drill. It is is
48:01
Speaker 1: because you're getting used to that surprise release. You're just pulling, pulling, pulling.
48:06
Speaker 1: The shot goes and all you were focusing on was
48:12
Speaker 1: staring at the spot and pulling through. Um, it's it's
48:16
Speaker 1: it's it's simple, but it takes time, especially for someone
48:21
Speaker 1: that's gone through years and years and years of doing
48:25
Speaker 1: it wrong, like I spent about I spent a good
48:29
Speaker 1: six to eight weeks. I had a bag target in
48:32
Speaker 1: my living room, and you know, I put my daughter
48:35
Speaker 1: down for bed, and I would just hammer that thing
48:38
Speaker 1: and over and over and over. And I told myself
48:40
Speaker 1: from the first day, I'm never gonna squeeze my thumb.
48:45
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna squeeze my index finger again. I'm gonna
48:48
Speaker 1: hook it around, I'm gonna preload it and then it
48:51
Speaker 1: won't move. The only movement is me squeezing my back muscles.
48:54
Speaker 1: It's pulling, pulling, pulling with my really sarm with my
49:00
Speaker 1: back muscles and building that pressure until the shot breaks.
49:04
Speaker 1: So it's it's, uh, that's how I did it. You
49:08
Speaker 1: can still do it by squeezing the trigger, but I
49:10
Speaker 1: think guys run into it. I think target panic. It's
49:14
Speaker 1: a little easier to to creep back in when you
49:17
Speaker 1: still do that like finger squeeze, like a slow, steady squeeze.
49:21
Speaker 1: Some guys can do it. I have a buddy that
49:23
Speaker 1: I shot with at the Total Archery Challenge, and he's
49:25
Speaker 1: a stud archer. And that's how he shoots. But if
49:30
Speaker 1: you watch my my video on the Total Archery Challenge,
49:34
Speaker 1: you'll see a couple of my buddies and these guys
49:36
Speaker 1: they shoot pretty good, but there's a couple in there
49:38
Speaker 1: that they punched the trigger and you can see like
49:43
Speaker 1: there's no follow through on the on the back end.
49:45
Speaker 1: You know, it's a it's like a tense punch and
49:48
Speaker 1: they were shooting good, but they if they shot more often,
49:52
Speaker 1: they would run into those issues, um, you know, of
49:55
Speaker 1: anticipating the shot and what you can What what I
49:58
Speaker 1: found too is like on shots on deer. You know
50:03
Speaker 1: when I when I was punching the trigger, the those
50:07
Speaker 1: target panic issues really come out in high pressure situations.
50:12
Speaker 1: So you get this big buck step in front of you,
50:15
Speaker 1: you draw back, you set that pin and as soon
50:19
Speaker 1: usually as soon as it hits brown, you're touching it
50:23
Speaker 1: off because you want to you want to hit that
50:25
Speaker 1: spot so bad. This is your one chance. You know,
50:27
Speaker 1: it all rives on this and you've got you kind
50:30
Speaker 1: of lose everything that you tried to focus on all summer,
50:34
Speaker 1: you know, just slowly squeezing the trigger. But now with
50:37
Speaker 1: this new way of shooting, which is unanticipated. It's a
50:40
Speaker 1: very calm and relaxed way of shooting, like I was
50:44
Speaker 1: shooting at those targets, those little tiny targets at the
50:47
Speaker 1: total archery challenge, you know, at a hundred plus yards,
50:50
Speaker 1: with no anxiety whatsoever, because all I need to do
50:53
Speaker 1: is just stare at the spot, execute my shot, and
50:57
Speaker 1: the arrow is going to go there. So when that
51:00
Speaker 1: deer comes out and it's a high pressure situation, I
51:03
Speaker 1: stare at the spot on the deer where I want
51:04
Speaker 1: to hit. I put my pin on it, I loaded
51:06
Speaker 1: my trigger. I let the pin float. You know, it's
51:10
Speaker 1: it's floating, it's floating, and as I'm just slowly building pressure.
51:15
Speaker 1: So that's how I do it. It's uh, It's worked
51:18
Speaker 1: very well for me. I've helped a lot of my
51:21
Speaker 1: friends kind of work through some things. Um and I
51:24
Speaker 1: had it bad. I have a hole in my hole
51:27
Speaker 1: in my garage window at the very first house I
51:30
Speaker 1: because I sent a narrow through their my head target
51:33
Speaker 1: panics so bad. This is a true story. I drew back,
51:37
Speaker 1: I could I got I had it so bad. At
51:39
Speaker 1: one point I couldn't draw my bullback without hammering the
51:41
Speaker 1: trigger target or not. So yeah, and I've heard stories,
51:48
Speaker 1: and yeah, I I became that guy and I drew back.
51:52
Speaker 1: I put the pin on the window and I said, okay,
51:54
Speaker 1: I'm not going to pull the trigger, and I sent
51:58
Speaker 1: one through the window and oh boy, you know it
52:02
Speaker 1: was that was like that's like as bad as target pay.
52:05
Speaker 1: It gets right there and I was there. So, UM,
52:09
Speaker 1: I would I would suggest Sorry, that was a long story,
52:13
Speaker 1: but I would suggest that guy getting um if he
52:16
Speaker 1: wants to stick with a trigger release. Carter makes some
52:20
Speaker 1: really good uh triggers that break clean. They're adjustable. You
52:24
Speaker 1: can set them heavy for training, you can lighten them
52:27
Speaker 1: up up a little for hunting. Once you ingrain that
52:31
Speaker 1: ingrain that shot sequenced in. Um, there's some other ones.
52:34
Speaker 1: I gave you, uh my old trigger release that's a
52:37
Speaker 1: good one, true ball beast, um, you know. But I
52:40
Speaker 1: would stick with something that has an adjustable trigger that
52:44
Speaker 1: breaks clean. And you gotta just put in the work.
52:48
Speaker 1: There's lots of videos and John Budley has some good
52:51
Speaker 1: ones on YouTube of some drills and stuff, but um,
52:55
Speaker 1: you gotta put in the work. You gotta you gotta
52:57
Speaker 1: develop that new way of shooting. And that's really the
53:01
Speaker 1: only way to beat target panic. You have to let
53:03
Speaker 1: go of control of you can trying to control that pin,
53:07
Speaker 1: let it float, run your shot, exec executions separately. Yeah,
53:12
Speaker 1: I can. I can say that from from your the
53:16
Speaker 1: things we worked on together last summer, I could just
53:19
Speaker 1: see that helping me so much already. UM, and so
53:23
Speaker 1: so everything you said right there, I was putting into
53:26
Speaker 1: practice last summer, all the way through last hunting season
53:29
Speaker 1: and now this year too. And while I haven't actually
53:31
Speaker 1: shot at a deer yet with it, so I can't.
53:33
Speaker 1: I can. I can't point to an in the field
53:35
Speaker 1: experience yet. Um, because of just the way my season
53:38
Speaker 1: went last year. UM, I can definitely say that I
53:41
Speaker 1: feel more comfortable. I don't have the target panic moments
53:45
Speaker 1: that I used to have just when shooting, you know,
53:47
Speaker 1: behind the house and stuff. I remember that I described
53:50
Speaker 1: to you that sometimes when I draw back and I
53:52
Speaker 1: put the pin on, and and one thing I did
53:54
Speaker 1: a lot what you just said is I want I
53:55
Speaker 1: would want to pull the trigger as soon as it
53:57
Speaker 1: hit the bull's eye. Um. Or sometimes I would get
54:00
Speaker 1: this like impulse to shoot, but I'd stop myself. So
54:03
Speaker 1: I'd like should have this like clinch up moment where
54:06
Speaker 1: my trigger, like my brain sent a firing wave that
54:09
Speaker 1: said shoot and then I stopped, but I still had
54:11
Speaker 1: this like jerk. Um. So nothing like that happens at
54:14
Speaker 1: all now, and um even a stupid example. But when
54:18
Speaker 1: I went to go get my most recent bow set
54:20
Speaker 1: up um with with a guy. We went and got
54:24
Speaker 1: arrow set up and got the new bow all all
54:26
Speaker 1: set up and adjusted. We went out behind the shop
54:29
Speaker 1: to do some long range shooting with it. And in
54:32
Speaker 1: the past I probably would have I would have had
54:34
Speaker 1: some nerves around, you know, shooting at fifty or sixty
54:37
Speaker 1: yards in front of this guy who's definitely better archer
54:39
Speaker 1: than me, and especially you know, I was using this
54:41
Speaker 1: whole new shooting process now, so I was like, oh God,
54:43
Speaker 1: am I gonna be able to you know, I don't
54:45
Speaker 1: even practicing it it closer ranges up to that point, um,
54:48
Speaker 1: because you know you and may have been working on
54:49
Speaker 1: just kind of easy my way into it. So I
54:51
Speaker 1: hadn't been shooting out to sixty yards with this new way,
54:54
Speaker 1: but we're checking the bow and he was like, all right,
54:57
Speaker 1: let's try out here at sixties. So I'm like, all right,
54:58
Speaker 1: here we go. And and in my previous life, I
55:02
Speaker 1: totally would have punched one off and just had a flyer.
55:05
Speaker 1: And I did this, and I just stuck to kind
55:08
Speaker 1: of my mantra, just you know, follow that process like
55:10
Speaker 1: you said, and let it float and then just slowly
55:12
Speaker 1: went through and pulled. And I didn't have anything like
55:16
Speaker 1: that in Miraculously, I was bulls in it like like
55:19
Speaker 1: a like a pro normally, not what I would have
55:22
Speaker 1: done in that situation in the past. So that small
55:25
Speaker 1: example of a higher pressure situation, I could see it
55:27
Speaker 1: already paying off. And it's only it's only gotten better
55:30
Speaker 1: since then. So I'm excited to put that into play
55:33
Speaker 1: for sure. I feel I feel uh, I feel compelled
55:38
Speaker 1: to answer the guy's question on a on a release type.
55:41
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna throw a couple. If he's gonna
55:43
Speaker 1: stick with index finger, get yourself a Carter Quickie or
55:49
Speaker 1: a Carter like Mike. Those are two good ones that
55:53
Speaker 1: have adjustable triggers. There's no travel you can you can,
55:59
Speaker 1: you know, confidently, hook your finger around that trigger and
56:05
Speaker 1: loaded up and let your pin float on the target
56:08
Speaker 1: and pull through. And if you have any uh questions,
56:12
Speaker 1: called Forest. He's the owner and he helps helps you out.
56:17
Speaker 1: He helped me out um when I was going through it.
56:19
Speaker 1: And then there's there's three drills that will kind of
56:22
Speaker 1: if you can, if you're willing to put in the
56:24
Speaker 1: work and you're willing to commit to it. There's three
56:27
Speaker 1: drills that I really like. And I don't have target
56:30
Speaker 1: pantic issues anymore at all, but I still do these
56:32
Speaker 1: three drills all the time. And one is you just
56:36
Speaker 1: draw back and just a you load your trigger up
56:42
Speaker 1: with your finger, your thumb or your index finger, whatever
56:44
Speaker 1: kind of release you're shooting, put the pin on the
56:47
Speaker 1: target and you let it float and just let it
56:49
Speaker 1: float and you're you're in control of the shot. You
56:53
Speaker 1: don't have to touch that off. You are in control.
56:55
Speaker 1: Let the pin float for seconds. Tell whenever you you
57:01
Speaker 1: know your shot deteriorates, let down, take a breathe there
57:05
Speaker 1: for thirty seconds. Do that again, and do that times,
57:09
Speaker 1: and do that for a couple of weeks. You know,
57:11
Speaker 1: that's a really really good drill of just getting used
57:14
Speaker 1: to your pin float. And then the other one that
57:18
Speaker 1: you know you hear a lot is blind bailing. I
57:20
Speaker 1: like this one because it ingrains, especially if you're gonna
57:24
Speaker 1: go to more of like a back tension. People say
57:27
Speaker 1: back tension release, they're talking about a hinge, but back
57:30
Speaker 1: tension is more of a method. You can shoot back
57:33
Speaker 1: tension with an index trigger, you can shoot back tension
57:36
Speaker 1: with thumb trigger. You can shoot back tension with a
57:38
Speaker 1: hinge um. So that's the what I was describing earlier.
57:43
Speaker 1: The pulling motion, the pull through motions, so blind bailing
57:47
Speaker 1: you get. You can take your site off your bow.
57:49
Speaker 1: That's probably the best, or you can close your eyes.
57:52
Speaker 1: Either one doesn't really matter, but you get a point
57:55
Speaker 1: blank range drawback and you just don't aim at anything.
58:01
Speaker 1: Just take your site off or whatever, so you're not
58:03
Speaker 1: looking at anything, and what you're focusing on is the
58:07
Speaker 1: pull through. And remember your thumb. If it's a thumb trigger,
58:11
Speaker 1: your index. If it's an index, figure cannot move. You
58:14
Speaker 1: load up that trigger and then it doesn't move again.
58:18
Speaker 1: That's it, and you pull with your back muscles. Imagine
58:23
Speaker 1: pulling your elbow straight back and touching it to a
58:25
Speaker 1: wall or or something behind you, and you just pull,
58:28
Speaker 1: build that pressure and you slowly increase of building pressure
58:31
Speaker 1: until that shot breaks. And you do that hundreds and
58:35
Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of times until that surprise isn't a
58:39
Speaker 1: surprise anymore. It's just it's still a surprise, but it
58:41
Speaker 1: doesn't freak you out. You're used to it. It's it's
58:44
Speaker 1: just normal. Now. That's that's a really good one. And uh,
58:49
Speaker 1: what's the other one? Um? Oh, the other one I
58:52
Speaker 1: like to do, and I would suggest doing this one
58:55
Speaker 1: after you. Uh you know, I do the other two.
58:59
Speaker 1: First those are kind of the bread and butter, and
59:01
Speaker 1: then the last one is I like to, uh set
59:04
Speaker 1: a target out there, have my sight on everything. I
59:07
Speaker 1: pull back, let my pin flow, load up my trigger,
59:10
Speaker 1: and then I start my shot execution. But I try
59:13
Speaker 1: to do it really slow. I think John Dudley recommended
59:16
Speaker 1: this one and I started doing it. I really liked it.
59:19
Speaker 1: But try to take as long as you can. Try
59:21
Speaker 1: to do the slowest back tension that you can. So
59:25
Speaker 1: what's happening is your pin is floating. You're slowly executing
59:29
Speaker 1: the shot. You're letting it happen. You're just letting your
59:32
Speaker 1: pin float. Try to let it take ten seconds and
59:34
Speaker 1: it won't, but try to let it take tense. I
59:37
Speaker 1: just slow, slow, gradual increase and pull until that shot breaks.
59:42
Speaker 1: Try to slow the process down so that you get
59:44
Speaker 1: to the point or that's not freaking you out anymore,
59:47
Speaker 1: that's just normal. That's you and control the shot. You
59:50
Speaker 1: can run that shot execution fast. On a quick shot
59:53
Speaker 1: on an animal, you just pull quicker, you pull through
59:57
Speaker 1: a little quicker. You can run it slow if you
1:00:00
Speaker 1: you know, if if you're doing this drill. But typically
1:00:03
Speaker 1: you want to keep your timing, you know, fairly consistent,
1:00:06
Speaker 1: like you know in a hunting situation. But these are
1:00:08
Speaker 1: those are great drills to kind of just get used
1:00:12
Speaker 1: to that unanticipated release and that that that's the way
1:00:16
Speaker 1: I was able to beat target panic. Yeah, those are
1:00:20
Speaker 1: those are helpful for me for sure. Damn you. Um,
1:00:28
Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to talk about this
1:00:30
Speaker 1: or not, but I saw you post something on social
1:00:32
Speaker 1: media and I haven't got to ask you about it yet.
1:00:35
Speaker 1: You had a little bit of a bow mishap that
1:00:37
Speaker 1: I that I can't not have us talk about real quick.
1:00:39
Speaker 1: What happened, man, dude, I straight up, straight up dry
1:00:43
Speaker 1: fired my bow. Did this happen? So? I was I
1:00:50
Speaker 1: was shooting some arrows at a at an archery shop,
1:00:55
Speaker 1: and he went back and he um put in a
1:01:00
Speaker 1: d loop. He put in a peep site and he
1:01:05
Speaker 1: um made some adjustments to the bow. Um, I shot
1:01:08
Speaker 1: one arrow out of it. And I have a routine
1:01:11
Speaker 1: right where I always kind of touched the peep and
1:01:14
Speaker 1: then I draw back, I anchor um and then I
1:01:20
Speaker 1: you know, pull the trigger or whatever, and so the
1:01:24
Speaker 1: because the peep site wasn't served in yet, I I
1:01:31
Speaker 1: drew all, I adjusted the peep sites, I drew back,
1:01:35
Speaker 1: I anchored my you know, my kisser button. I looked
1:01:39
Speaker 1: through to make sure it was all right, and just
1:01:42
Speaker 1: subconsciously followed through with that shot sequence without an arrow
1:01:46
Speaker 1: in it. And yeah, once snapped cam broke and so
1:01:54
Speaker 1: I got replacement parts coming, uh and I need to
1:01:58
Speaker 1: get back to the archery shop of them fix it.
1:02:01
Speaker 1: And uh So it was just one of those dumbass
1:02:03
Speaker 1: moments that Um, I you know, first time ever in
1:02:09
Speaker 1: twenty some years of shooting archery, I've ever dry fire
1:02:14
Speaker 1: to bow or anything like that. And it's embarrassing. But
1:02:18
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, that's gotta be nice being in
1:02:20
Speaker 1: the pro shop and being that guy. You know, you're
1:02:24
Speaker 1: the guy with that podcast network. And here's the funny
1:02:28
Speaker 1: party is he goes this happens all the time. People
1:02:32
Speaker 1: dry fire bows all the time, and um, even just
1:02:37
Speaker 1: people reaching out to me after I made it, made
1:02:41
Speaker 1: it public that I did this, people are like, hey, man,
1:02:44
Speaker 1: don't beat yourself up on it. Um, I did it
1:02:47
Speaker 1: last year, or I did it two years ago, or man,
1:02:50
Speaker 1: I did it yesterday or whatever. So um made me
1:02:54
Speaker 1: feel a little bit better. But still it just kind
1:02:56
Speaker 1: of it just kind of. I think people take archery
1:03:00
Speaker 1: equipment for granted because it's a bow, but the amount
1:03:05
Speaker 1: of energy and power that those things can generate is ridiculous.
1:03:12
Speaker 1: And I have a big scar or a big cut
1:03:16
Speaker 1: basically it's a welt across the top of my hand
1:03:18
Speaker 1: to prove it. So, oh, man, that was a brand
1:03:21
Speaker 1: new prime to right, Yeah, brand new, probably fifth arrow
1:03:26
Speaker 1: ever shot out of it. That's man brutal. Well, Well,
1:03:30
Speaker 1: hopefully folks will hear your story and that will help
1:03:33
Speaker 1: them all be just a tiny bit more aware of
1:03:35
Speaker 1: not making the same subconscious mistake. Absolutely. Yeah, Okay, so
1:03:40
Speaker 1: switching gears completely here. Um, we got a question here
1:03:44
Speaker 1: from Scotty, and Scotty has two questions, so both of
1:03:49
Speaker 1: these could take us in in long winding paths. So
1:03:51
Speaker 1: I don't know where this is gonna take us. But
1:03:53
Speaker 1: question number one, do your chord sightings or deer activity
1:03:57
Speaker 1: in any kind of hunting journal. I have attempt it
1:04:00
Speaker 1: a few apps, but most aren't useful when trying to
1:04:02
Speaker 1: pattern deer movements stands based on wind or weather. Blah
1:04:05
Speaker 1: blah blah um. Excellent spreadsheets are pain because of manually
1:04:09
Speaker 1: having to enter weather. But I'm looking for any kind
1:04:12
Speaker 1: of other recommendations or templates. Um, I'll say really quick,
1:04:15
Speaker 1: what I do. I have not done a good job
1:04:18
Speaker 1: in past years. I've tried to do a hunting journal
1:04:21
Speaker 1: where every hunt or every day I record a few
1:04:24
Speaker 1: basic things like what stand I was in, what was
1:04:27
Speaker 1: the wind direction, A handful of other factors like that,
1:04:30
Speaker 1: and then what deer I saw and some information on
1:04:32
Speaker 1: those lines. I've done that for portions of seasons, but
1:04:35
Speaker 1: but never done a great job of following through. What
1:04:38
Speaker 1: I have done, though, is done a really thorough job
1:04:41
Speaker 1: when I'm targeting a specific buck, so you know, like
1:04:45
Speaker 1: with holy Field, now that I'm so focused on him,
1:04:47
Speaker 1: I have went and created a spreadsheet documenting every daylight
1:04:52
Speaker 1: sighting or trail camera photo and then all that data,
1:04:56
Speaker 1: so all the weather data, all the other information around
1:05:00
Speaker 1: where he came from, where he was going, what time,
1:05:03
Speaker 1: what was the wind speed, what was the wind direction,
1:05:04
Speaker 1: what was the bare mentri pressure, what was the temperature?
1:05:07
Speaker 1: Was it a cold front or not? A whole bunch
1:05:09
Speaker 1: of stuff like that. So I've been able to do that,
1:05:11
Speaker 1: and it's not too difficult to do that if it's
1:05:13
Speaker 1: like one dear year after or or maybe even just
1:05:15
Speaker 1: like mature buck settings. Um. But it would be hard
1:05:18
Speaker 1: to do that every single day all the time. But
1:05:21
Speaker 1: I know people to do I wish I would do that,
1:05:22
Speaker 1: but I just haven't. Um, Dandy you you know, I
1:05:26
Speaker 1: haven't heard you talk too much about any kind of document,
1:05:29
Speaker 1: But have you started doing anything like that or thought
1:05:31
Speaker 1: about doing something like that? Well? You you know this
1:05:36
Speaker 1: app mark I use dear lab for for trail cameras though, right,
1:05:40
Speaker 1: But at the same time, that's how I'm basing all
1:05:44
Speaker 1: majority of my decision making, right. Yes, I can, um like,
1:05:51
Speaker 1: I will have my trail cameras in these pinch points,
1:05:53
Speaker 1: travel corridors, field edges, scrapes, whatever, and collect that data.
1:05:58
Speaker 1: But it's hard to use this year's data two kind
1:06:06
Speaker 1: of calculate where a deer is going to be, you know,
1:06:09
Speaker 1: unless you're in the stand, right, So if you're in
1:06:12
Speaker 1: the stand and you see a buck, that's easy. You
1:06:14
Speaker 1: can make that move right then and there. However, all
1:06:18
Speaker 1: the all the trail camera pictures that I'm using previously
1:06:23
Speaker 1: through previous seasons, I can use that data to help
1:06:26
Speaker 1: me forecast deer movement for the next year. So it's like, Okay,
1:06:32
Speaker 1: well I have a northwest wind and I have it
1:06:36
Speaker 1: on this day or this moon phase or this barre
1:06:41
Speaker 1: metric pressure or whatever. Then I can say, well, I can,
1:06:47
Speaker 1: you know, do my sort. You know that you can.
1:06:49
Speaker 1: You're able to sort all that data and you can say, well,
1:06:53
Speaker 1: this tree stand or this trail camera location, which is
1:06:57
Speaker 1: pretty much represents uh for me the way I use it,
1:07:00
Speaker 1: represents a tree stand location. You you are able to
1:07:04
Speaker 1: forecast your movement and look for the best possible tree
1:07:07
Speaker 1: stand location for those conditions. Yeah, yeah, I love that
1:07:11
Speaker 1: app for the trail camera thing. I wish you could.
1:07:13
Speaker 1: I wish you could just add like the actual sighting
1:07:16
Speaker 1: in there too. And you I know, actually some guys
1:07:18
Speaker 1: have emailed me and said that they just kind of
1:07:20
Speaker 1: fudget like they'll upload a trail camera photo that's actually
1:07:23
Speaker 1: not of a buck. But they'll just like title it
1:07:26
Speaker 1: or something like sighting on this date and then manually
1:07:30
Speaker 1: adjust the time and date and everything to make sure
1:07:32
Speaker 1: it's the right thing, and then it pulls in the
1:07:34
Speaker 1: proper weather and everything. Um. But but yeah, that's a
1:07:38
Speaker 1: that's a great tool. It I wish it was both
1:07:43
Speaker 1: because it would be almost a perfect option. Umr Andy,
1:07:47
Speaker 1: what do you do? UM? I I have a log
1:07:53
Speaker 1: back from the very first year I ever hunted, which
1:07:55
Speaker 1: was UM, so I keep like a like a little
1:08:00
Speaker 1: journal basically, but um, you know I started with am
1:08:03
Speaker 1: hunt RPM hunt all the hunt where at? Um? Then
1:08:09
Speaker 1: I do you know, like the wind, direction, temperature, precipitation,
1:08:13
Speaker 1: moon phase, that sort of thing. One thing I really
1:08:17
Speaker 1: regret that not keeping track of was the Barabetrick pressure,
1:08:21
Speaker 1: especially after listening to Mark Jurry. I was like, gosh, darn,
1:08:24
Speaker 1: you know, I kept everything except that one thing that
1:08:27
Speaker 1: he thinks is probably the most influential. So um but
1:08:31
Speaker 1: like cloud cover all that, and then obviously you know
1:08:35
Speaker 1: what I saw the deer activity. If I do see
1:08:37
Speaker 1: um mature deer, I kinda I'll mention how he was moving,
1:08:43
Speaker 1: what he was doing, was he using the wind, was
1:08:46
Speaker 1: his wind to the back, you know, also trying to
1:08:49
Speaker 1: build you know, basically trying to build trends, um, and
1:08:52
Speaker 1: that's really helped me. Uh, you know, zero in on areas.
1:08:58
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of guys like asked me because
1:09:00
Speaker 1: I I don't get to hunt a lot, but you
1:09:02
Speaker 1: guys will ask like, you know, you seem like you
1:09:04
Speaker 1: don't hunt very much, but you're efficient. And I think
1:09:07
Speaker 1: that's part of what really has helped me is that, um,
1:09:12
Speaker 1: you know the different areas I do hunt because I
1:09:15
Speaker 1: have logs, I can go back and see like, Okay,
1:09:19
Speaker 1: you know this area tends to hold you know, dear,
1:09:24
Speaker 1: if you know three and a half years or older,
1:09:26
Speaker 1: you know early in the season, you know, I've I've
1:09:29
Speaker 1: I've noticed that now after hunting their six seven years,
1:09:32
Speaker 1: Like all my sightings have been before October ten. So
1:09:36
Speaker 1: now I know that, you know, even though I have hunted,
1:09:39
Speaker 1: they're on and off, you know, throughout the whole season.
1:09:42
Speaker 1: Now I have that area where I can focus on
1:09:45
Speaker 1: those dates and to maximize my time there because I
1:09:49
Speaker 1: there's a spot in the northern Ohio that the first
1:09:52
Speaker 1: week of the season is the only time frame I've
1:09:55
Speaker 1: seen a mature deer and it's been that way for
1:09:58
Speaker 1: ten years. I've never seen one pass. I think October twelve, Um,
1:10:02
Speaker 1: the crops come out and they just they just kind
1:10:04
Speaker 1: of leave. It's a low deer density area. So my
1:10:08
Speaker 1: point is I'm able to to hunt that, you know,
1:10:11
Speaker 1: during that first week, but then I have also other
1:10:14
Speaker 1: areas that seem to trend more in mid October. So
1:10:17
Speaker 1: then I can you know, jump to these areas that
1:10:19
Speaker 1: seemed to heat up more during that time. And then
1:10:22
Speaker 1: obviously your rout spots, um, you know, you're late season spots.
1:10:26
Speaker 1: So you know, it's basically I'm looking for trends of
1:10:29
Speaker 1: when I see mature deer activity. But every once in
1:10:32
Speaker 1: a while. It doesn't happen often, but every once in
1:10:34
Speaker 1: a while in Michigan, you can, you know, you can
1:10:37
Speaker 1: develop those trends on an individual buck. Um that happened
1:10:40
Speaker 1: with my buck last year, um, you know, and then
1:10:43
Speaker 1: that really helps you kind of zero in on his
1:10:45
Speaker 1: tendanc seas. Yeah, it's it definitely think I definitely think
1:10:50
Speaker 1: that recording as much dad as you can will help
1:10:56
Speaker 1: most people like I, I need to do a better job.
1:10:58
Speaker 1: I'd like to be keeping a journal like you are
1:11:00
Speaker 1: um or at least doing something like the trail camera
1:11:03
Speaker 1: tool like deer lab is that Dan's doing. I think
1:11:06
Speaker 1: all this stuff helps you wrap your head around everything
1:11:08
Speaker 1: that's going on. And I know there are a handful
1:11:10
Speaker 1: of different apps for your phone where you can record
1:11:13
Speaker 1: sightings and record different things, and I haven't found one
1:11:16
Speaker 1: that's terribly like easy to use and gets the information
1:11:19
Speaker 1: that I want in there, Like I haven't. I have
1:11:21
Speaker 1: not found the perfect solution yet. I've looked at them
1:11:23
Speaker 1: all and there's good things about some, and there's some
1:11:24
Speaker 1: things I wish they change. I still haven't found the
1:11:27
Speaker 1: one that I want to actually use. It's more effective
1:11:31
Speaker 1: than a than a journal or a spreadsheet or something
1:11:34
Speaker 1: like deer lab for trail cameras, So it's a It's
1:11:37
Speaker 1: important stuff though. Um So Scotty's a second question is
1:11:42
Speaker 1: about you know he he's asking for He asked for
1:11:46
Speaker 1: a video, but we'll we'll give him a chat. Um.
1:11:49
Speaker 1: Could you explain your utilization of the wind when you hunt.
1:11:52
Speaker 1: I get confused when talking about enter entering, exit strategies
1:11:56
Speaker 1: and hunting wind conditions. If we want to be downwind
1:11:59
Speaker 1: of a destination, should and the deer want to be
1:12:01
Speaker 1: downwind that's confusing. Um, So this is something that yeah,
1:12:06
Speaker 1: we talked about a lot. How do you balance how
1:12:08
Speaker 1: do you balance your being safe with the wind but
1:12:12
Speaker 1: also thinking about how dear are using the wind? And UM,
1:12:15
Speaker 1: I know Dan, you and me, I feel like our
1:12:17
Speaker 1: own perspectives on this have kind of evolved over the
1:12:20
Speaker 1: whole course of the podcast to um for sure, So
1:12:25
Speaker 1: do you want to tackle any portion of this to
1:12:27
Speaker 1: start in? So it sounds to me like he's relatively
1:12:30
Speaker 1: new to hunting or starting to get into the details
1:12:35
Speaker 1: of hunting the wind. And so what I will say
1:12:39
Speaker 1: is to think, like, think of it as ninety degree angles. Right,
1:12:44
Speaker 1: if a deer is gonna you know, walk north and
1:12:46
Speaker 1: south and there's a west wind, you want to be
1:12:50
Speaker 1: on the east side of that trail, so your scent
1:12:55
Speaker 1: is not going to be you know, blowing their direction
1:12:58
Speaker 1: at all. So you know, if the deer hanging out
1:13:00
Speaker 1: in the on the west quadrants, so to speak, you
1:13:03
Speaker 1: need to be on the east quadrant, Or if the
1:13:05
Speaker 1: deer on the south and the wind is coming from
1:13:08
Speaker 1: the south, you need to be on the north quadrant.
1:13:10
Speaker 1: So it's just it's just a matter of basically having
1:13:15
Speaker 1: the wind blow into your face while you're walking to
1:13:19
Speaker 1: your tree stand in hopes that the deer are going
1:13:23
Speaker 1: to be in front of you. You know, they're going
1:13:27
Speaker 1: to be between you and where the wind is blowing from,
1:13:30
Speaker 1: so you know, and then as time progresses and you
1:13:33
Speaker 1: become more comfortable with hunting, the wind and this is
1:13:35
Speaker 1: where I'm at now in my life is getting really
1:13:39
Speaker 1: aggressive with wind directions to where if the wind shifts
1:13:43
Speaker 1: a little bit either direction, you're probably gonna be get
1:13:47
Speaker 1: busted by where you think the deer are coming from.
1:13:50
Speaker 1: But just just remember that you don't want the wind
1:13:54
Speaker 1: to blow where you feel the deer are going to be.
1:13:57
Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty simple, the most similist, simplest aspect
1:14:01
Speaker 1: of it. And especially if you're just starting deer hunting
1:14:04
Speaker 1: and you're and you're not trying to kill a mature buck,
1:14:07
Speaker 1: if you're more focused on, you know, whatever deer you see,
1:14:10
Speaker 1: a dough or young bucks or whatever it might be.
1:14:12
Speaker 1: In those cases, I think it's smart to go completely
1:14:16
Speaker 1: safe and just make sure that your wind so you know,
1:14:20
Speaker 1: like you explained, Dan, your scent is blowing a direction
1:14:24
Speaker 1: opposite of where you think the deer are going to be.
1:14:27
Speaker 1: Now where this gets um a little more interesting though,
1:14:31
Speaker 1: and I'll let Andy, I'll let you dive into this
1:14:32
Speaker 1: a little bit more. But when you start targeting mature bucks,
1:14:36
Speaker 1: then you want to start considering how mature bucks are
1:14:39
Speaker 1: using the wind, because they in many cases are using
1:14:42
Speaker 1: their noses, which is their number one defense mechanism. They're
1:14:44
Speaker 1: using their noses to make decisions about where they're headed
1:14:48
Speaker 1: and to check, you know, to see if it's secure.
1:14:50
Speaker 1: So in many cases they are walking towards something a
1:14:54
Speaker 1: food source or a betting area with the wind somehow
1:14:58
Speaker 1: in their face or quartering to them that they can
1:15:00
Speaker 1: check an area as they walk through. So then you
1:15:04
Speaker 1: gotta start thinking about that. If I want to hunt
1:15:06
Speaker 1: this place, how do I think a buck is going
1:15:09
Speaker 1: to use the wind to approach it? And that's going
1:15:11
Speaker 1: to help you determine where to be sitting. But at
1:15:13
Speaker 1: the same time, you need to take that information as
1:15:16
Speaker 1: a data point, but then also be set up so
1:15:19
Speaker 1: that if he's coming in with the wind somewhat in
1:15:21
Speaker 1: his favor, so you can still manage to have your
1:15:24
Speaker 1: wind avoid him. But usually to get those two things
1:15:27
Speaker 1: happen at the same time, it's going to be by
1:15:29
Speaker 1: a narrow margin, like the wind is gonna be blowing
1:15:31
Speaker 1: by a narrow margin off of wherever he's coming from.
1:15:34
Speaker 1: So this takes a level of understanding of your area. Um,
1:15:38
Speaker 1: you really need to have a high level understanding of
1:15:40
Speaker 1: how a dear probably is going to approach, how he'd
1:15:42
Speaker 1: be using this wind, and how you can set up
1:15:44
Speaker 1: to you know, not spook him, but at the same
1:15:47
Speaker 1: time being the right place. Now, that's kind of a
1:15:50
Speaker 1: high level idea. Um. And then two, the same thing
1:15:54
Speaker 1: goes for when you're approaching a tree stand, back to
1:15:55
Speaker 1: the very beginning, when you're coming into a tree stand
1:15:57
Speaker 1: or leaving a tree stand, Now it just comes down
1:16:00
Speaker 1: to making sure you're not having your wind blow to
1:16:02
Speaker 1: where those deer are at all. Um. But Andy, can
1:16:04
Speaker 1: you take things to the next level or I guess
1:16:07
Speaker 1: say whatever you want to about this, But if you
1:16:10
Speaker 1: want to take things to the next level when it
1:16:11
Speaker 1: comes to mature bucks and wind stuff, I figured you'd
1:16:14
Speaker 1: be a good guy to talk about that. Yeah, I mean,
1:16:17
Speaker 1: I think you guys pretty much nailed it. I mean
1:16:19
Speaker 1: what I'll I agree with Dan what he says, especially
1:16:22
Speaker 1: when you're hunting kind of like a travel corridor. You know,
1:16:26
Speaker 1: you kind of want to be on the down winds
1:16:29
Speaker 1: downwind side of travel. Um. You know, that might be
1:16:31
Speaker 1: something I might sit like during the rut. You know,
1:16:33
Speaker 1: maybe a funnel between two blocks of woods, or between
1:16:37
Speaker 1: two betting areas or something like that. You know, you
1:16:39
Speaker 1: could have your have your wind blowing into somewhat of
1:16:43
Speaker 1: a dead zone if there is one, or at least
1:16:45
Speaker 1: an area where you least expect dear to come from. Um.
1:16:49
Speaker 1: But you know, uh, also like you know, like you said, Mark,
1:16:53
Speaker 1: you got to think how like a mature buck, you
1:16:56
Speaker 1: know what what does he do? You know at different
1:16:58
Speaker 1: times of the year. So like during the rut, I
1:17:00
Speaker 1: like to sit on like down wind sides of dough
1:17:02
Speaker 1: betting area, So where I know that there's groups of
1:17:05
Speaker 1: dos uh. You know, I I'll push the envelope and
1:17:09
Speaker 1: get on the down wind side of that close as
1:17:11
Speaker 1: I can without bumping deer out. But in that that's
1:17:15
Speaker 1: an area that bucks tend to gravitate towards naturally during
1:17:19
Speaker 1: the breeding phase. So you're you're not only getting close
1:17:23
Speaker 1: to dose which attract bucks, but you're also in the
1:17:28
Speaker 1: the portion of that betting area where on that given day,
1:17:34
Speaker 1: when you know, the winds out of the north and
1:17:35
Speaker 1: you're on that south side, that's bucks are going to
1:17:37
Speaker 1: gravitate towards that side anyway to scent check that betting area.
1:17:41
Speaker 1: So you're you're, you're, you're basically just playing the percentages.
1:17:44
Speaker 1: You know, if you said on the east side, it's
1:17:47
Speaker 1: you might get one because it's the rut and things happen.
1:17:50
Speaker 1: But the bucks that are you know, you might get
1:17:52
Speaker 1: some young bucks that just kind of bust right in
1:17:54
Speaker 1: and you know, our scent checking them. But the mature
1:17:57
Speaker 1: buck will typically hit the on wind side kind of
1:18:01
Speaker 1: on the on the edge of the cover, and that's
1:18:04
Speaker 1: where I like to set up. So I try to
1:18:06
Speaker 1: think more of like what does the mature buck do, um,
1:18:09
Speaker 1: you know during that time? That would be like a
1:18:11
Speaker 1: like a a typical high percentage rut spot for me.
1:18:15
Speaker 1: I have several spots like that that is kind of
1:18:17
Speaker 1: more on the down wind side of like where a
1:18:19
Speaker 1: lot of where a lot of dolls live essentially, um,
1:18:23
Speaker 1: you know. And then like when outside of the rut,
1:18:25
Speaker 1: you know playing you know, how do I hunt the wind?
1:18:27
Speaker 1: Like if I'm if I'm bed hunting and to be
1:18:30
Speaker 1: honest with you that the most mature bucks that I
1:18:35
Speaker 1: have shot, I've I've I've killed some mature ones during
1:18:38
Speaker 1: the rut. Don't get me wrong, um, I love the rut,
1:18:40
Speaker 1: but it seems like, you know, probably my four or
1:18:43
Speaker 1: five most mature buck have come outside of the ruck
1:18:47
Speaker 1: and typically for me, it's more like kind of early
1:18:49
Speaker 1: season in mid October, and I'm I'm hunting closer to
1:18:52
Speaker 1: where where they live, where they bed, and a lot
1:18:56
Speaker 1: of times, you know, mature bucks will bed in a
1:18:58
Speaker 1: certain area. The specific winds not always there, but there
1:19:02
Speaker 1: are definitely wind specific beds. So you know there's there's uh,
1:19:07
Speaker 1: you know, there might be a buck betting area where
1:19:09
Speaker 1: he hill bed there on a north wind, or like
1:19:12
Speaker 1: maybe that's one of his beds on a north wind.
1:19:15
Speaker 1: So you know, you gotta through your scouting. You know,
1:19:19
Speaker 1: you can find those spots that you know, when you
1:19:22
Speaker 1: get that north wind, you can hunt close to that bed.
1:19:25
Speaker 1: When you get that west wind, you can hunt close
1:19:27
Speaker 1: to the bed that is used on a west wind.
1:19:30
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yeah, Okay, so it's it's I
1:19:35
Speaker 1: don't want to say it's high level. I guess it
1:19:37
Speaker 1: is high level. There's a lot of guys that do this.
1:19:39
Speaker 1: This is not new, um, but it does take a
1:19:42
Speaker 1: lot of work. It takes a lot of scouting. It
1:19:45
Speaker 1: takes off, you know, a fair bit of knowledge. But
1:19:48
Speaker 1: it's just it just takes a lot of time. You're
1:19:49
Speaker 1: putting in the work. You're finding dozens and dozens and
1:19:55
Speaker 1: maybe even hundreds of these beds, and then you have
1:19:59
Speaker 1: you have those to plug in, you know, in the
1:20:01
Speaker 1: early season, in mid October, when things aren't heated up,
1:20:05
Speaker 1: when everybody's kind of waiting for things to break loose.
1:20:08
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. I always I like the
1:20:11
Speaker 1: rut because you see more. It's exciting. But at the
1:20:15
Speaker 1: same time, I don't know. I I kind of feel
1:20:18
Speaker 1: like my chances at certain deer kind of go downhill
1:20:21
Speaker 1: unless I know for a fact that you know a
1:20:24
Speaker 1: certain buck you know for years, you know, two or
1:20:27
Speaker 1: three years, he's he tends to be in this little
1:20:30
Speaker 1: side of this marsh and you know, during the first
1:20:32
Speaker 1: week in November or something like that, and you do
1:20:34
Speaker 1: get those trends. But I really like that early season
1:20:37
Speaker 1: and even mid October. UM, you know, it can be
1:20:40
Speaker 1: up and down. It's definitely not like lights out, but
1:20:42
Speaker 1: you can you can make more calculated moves, um, But
1:20:45
Speaker 1: it just takes a lot of prep time and a
1:20:47
Speaker 1: lot of preparation scouting that sort of thing. But I
1:20:50
Speaker 1: will say this too, like you know, when you're hunting
1:20:54
Speaker 1: a buck, you know in his betting area, Dan you
1:20:58
Speaker 1: mentioned kind of hunting like an off win in where
1:21:00
Speaker 1: the you know, the the winds kind of in the
1:21:02
Speaker 1: buck's favor. I believe this is just my opinion that
1:21:05
Speaker 1: the buck will move farther. You know, you can set
1:21:08
Speaker 1: up further back or played a little safer if the
1:21:12
Speaker 1: if the deer's winds in his favor, I believe, if
1:21:15
Speaker 1: he's smelling that direction where he wants to go all
1:21:18
Speaker 1: day long and there's not a trace, I think I
1:21:22
Speaker 1: I do believe that I've had some pretty early encounters
1:21:24
Speaker 1: and times of the year where you shouldn't even in Michigan, um,
1:21:28
Speaker 1: where the opposite you know, if the winds kind of
1:21:31
Speaker 1: where he's you know, the direction where he you think
1:21:34
Speaker 1: he's gonna go, and the winds not in his favor.
1:21:36
Speaker 1: I've seen him. I've actually seen a buck in his
1:21:39
Speaker 1: bed with the wind not in his favor towards the
1:21:41
Speaker 1: food source, and he sat there literally till dark till
1:21:45
Speaker 1: I had to get down and I set up in
1:21:47
Speaker 1: the stand watching him through my binoculars, and then he
1:21:49
Speaker 1: stood up. So that's my opinion. I believe that, like
1:21:53
Speaker 1: when the wind's not in their favors, And I'm based
1:21:55
Speaker 1: in this. When I'm saying this, I'm talking Michigan, so
1:21:58
Speaker 1: it's it's a little different. Um, there's other pressured states too,
1:22:01
Speaker 1: But you know, I believe when the wind is in
1:22:04
Speaker 1: their favor and they feel safe and they've been smelling
1:22:06
Speaker 1: that direction for a good portion of the night without
1:22:10
Speaker 1: any um you know, sign of danger, that they will
1:22:13
Speaker 1: get up and in the closer you are to their
1:22:15
Speaker 1: betting area too, there's there's typically a you know, they
1:22:18
Speaker 1: pick those spots because they're safe. There's there's typically a
1:22:22
Speaker 1: radius there where they where they do feel comfortable getting
1:22:25
Speaker 1: up and moving in daylight. But it might be steps,
1:22:28
Speaker 1: it might be you know, it might be a thirty
1:22:31
Speaker 1: yard radius from his bed where he feels safe, or
1:22:33
Speaker 1: it might be a hundred yard radius. It just depends
1:22:35
Speaker 1: on the terrain. Um. You know, that's something that just
1:22:38
Speaker 1: comes with a lot of uh experience. You know, different
1:22:42
Speaker 1: types of train and different types of habitat and different
1:22:45
Speaker 1: pressure and that sort of thing, and you gotta kind
1:22:47
Speaker 1: of learn. You'll you'll learn how far you need to
1:22:50
Speaker 1: push it and how far you can. And I always
1:22:53
Speaker 1: tell guys to be more aggressive because when you're more aggressive,
1:22:57
Speaker 1: you're either gonna do it right or you're gonna make
1:22:59
Speaker 1: a stake. And if you make a mistake, good job,
1:23:01
Speaker 1: because you just learned something. You know, if you don't
1:23:04
Speaker 1: make any mistakes, you're not learning much. So mistakes are
1:23:07
Speaker 1: good because especially early, make a lot of them, made
1:23:10
Speaker 1: a crap ton of them. That's how you learn the
1:23:13
Speaker 1: mistakes lesson over time. You know, I still make them,
1:23:16
Speaker 1: but that's that's that's how you get better. You gotta
1:23:19
Speaker 1: make the mistakes. So I always say be aggressive. You
1:23:22
Speaker 1: might blow it out if you do, you just learn something. Okay,
1:23:25
Speaker 1: next next time, you'll do a little better. When when
1:23:28
Speaker 1: you're talking to a guy who is a pretty good
1:23:31
Speaker 1: deer hunter, like he's been doing it for a while,
1:23:33
Speaker 1: He listens to the podcast, he reads the magazines, he's
1:23:37
Speaker 1: killed a few nice bucks. Um, he likes it a lot,
1:23:41
Speaker 1: but he hasn't made it over that hump to the fact,
1:23:46
Speaker 1: to the point of consistency, where you're ending year out,
1:23:49
Speaker 1: he's on mature bucks and achieving those goals every year.
1:23:53
Speaker 1: Is there like a one thing or two things that
1:23:56
Speaker 1: you finally consistently like usually it's A or B you
1:24:00
Speaker 1: that will help you get over the hump With most people,
1:24:02
Speaker 1: is there anything that like jumps out to you? The
1:24:06
Speaker 1: common thing I see with the guys that like, you know,
1:24:11
Speaker 1: our successful year in and year out, and and not
1:24:14
Speaker 1: even just on one big deer, like usually on a couple,
1:24:17
Speaker 1: um you know, they're usually just they're usually their level
1:24:22
Speaker 1: of commitment and time is is much higher than uh,
1:24:30
Speaker 1: you know, the guys that aren't. You know, And I'm
1:24:33
Speaker 1: not I'm not saying that that's bad or anything. In
1:24:36
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, it might even be good not
1:24:38
Speaker 1: to be that committed to deer hunting, to be honest
1:24:40
Speaker 1: with you, Um you know, I mean there's there comes
1:24:43
Speaker 1: a sacrifice with that level of commitment. You know, there's
1:24:46
Speaker 1: family sacrifice, their sacrifice. Maybe with other things that you
1:24:50
Speaker 1: enjoy doing. Um, you know, maybe you're not. You love
1:24:53
Speaker 1: to fish, but you don't fish because you're completely obsessed
1:24:57
Speaker 1: with deer hunting and you're devoting all your time in that.
1:25:00
Speaker 1: I can I can probably be thrown into that category.
1:25:03
Speaker 1: Like I have given up pretty much everything else for
1:25:07
Speaker 1: the little time I do have, I almost always spend
1:25:09
Speaker 1: it on hunting or archery, almost always. So that's what
1:25:14
Speaker 1: I see. Those guys. They put in an amount of
1:25:18
Speaker 1: time and they have a level of commitment that's just
1:25:22
Speaker 1: um It's just it's above and beyond what most guys
1:25:27
Speaker 1: even believe they can do UM or are willing to do.
1:25:32
Speaker 1: Um And And I'm talking the guys that kind of
1:25:34
Speaker 1: do it. You know, you can you can buy some
1:25:37
Speaker 1: property and spend a lot of money and kill big bucks.
1:25:39
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about those guys. I'm talking about the
1:25:42
Speaker 1: guys that kind of you know, do how we do
1:25:45
Speaker 1: UM it does it does? It takes a um a
1:25:49
Speaker 1: level of commitment and sacrifice that I don't necessarily recommend
1:25:53
Speaker 1: to people. UM. You know, there's there's look at some
1:25:57
Speaker 1: of the best deer hunters that we know. Dan Infault
1:26:00
Speaker 1: will be honest with you and he'll say that he
1:26:04
Speaker 1: regrets some of the things he missed, you know, in
1:26:08
Speaker 1: his younger years with his family because he was not
1:26:10
Speaker 1: willing to sacrifice his hunting. So not recommending that, but
1:26:15
Speaker 1: that's what you see with with those guys that take
1:26:18
Speaker 1: it to the next that next level, it's a it's
1:26:20
Speaker 1: a level of commitment and obsession that just is it's
1:26:24
Speaker 1: it's a whole another stratosphere. And I would add, I
1:26:29
Speaker 1: would add one thing and uh, and you're kind of
1:26:32
Speaker 1: an outlier because you traveled to a lot of different states,
1:26:35
Speaker 1: but you know you've collected your data over years of
1:26:39
Speaker 1: hunting throughout those those properties. But a lot of the
1:26:43
Speaker 1: people are close to where they hunt, live close to
1:26:46
Speaker 1: where they hunt, and they are able to go drive
1:26:52
Speaker 1: down the roads and glass at night, or do scouting
1:26:55
Speaker 1: every day, or check trail cameras multiple times um throughout
1:27:00
Speaker 1: throughout a week, where um, for example, once I got married,
1:27:06
Speaker 1: my time and being able to follow deer on an
1:27:11
Speaker 1: individual basis took a huge dive or more more or
1:27:16
Speaker 1: more when I started having kids. But I was on
1:27:20
Speaker 1: the property less, I was scouting less, I was relying
1:27:23
Speaker 1: more on trail cameras. And as we all know, trail
1:27:25
Speaker 1: cameras are just a sample of what's going on on
1:27:28
Speaker 1: the property. So the I think some of the guys
1:27:32
Speaker 1: who are consistently killing big bucks are, like you said,
1:27:36
Speaker 1: dedicating a lot of time to it, but at the
1:27:39
Speaker 1: same time able to scout, live close and be aware
1:27:44
Speaker 1: of everything that's going on on the properties that they
1:27:46
Speaker 1: do hunt. Sir, Yeah, absolutely, And and I a portion
1:27:52
Speaker 1: of my hunting UM, I'll say, is is like that.
1:27:55
Speaker 1: I I hunt some spots that are close to home
1:27:59
Speaker 1: and to work that are not good. They're just plain
1:28:04
Speaker 1: and simple. They're not good, but they get me out
1:28:06
Speaker 1: hunting um. And you know, every once in a while
1:28:10
Speaker 1: I can turn up a good bucket at those spots.
1:28:12
Speaker 1: So I'm able to hunt more by having a few
1:28:16
Speaker 1: of those spots close to home. And yes, I'm sacrificing
1:28:19
Speaker 1: quality um for the sake of just being able to
1:28:22
Speaker 1: go out and hunt. I still hunt them smart and
1:28:24
Speaker 1: I still look for, you know, a buck that I'm
1:28:27
Speaker 1: interested in. But you know, I'll lower my standards some
1:28:30
Speaker 1: and my out of state trips are always short, so
1:28:33
Speaker 1: you know, I shoot nice I've shot some nice deer.
1:28:37
Speaker 1: But I'm not that guy that's gonna say, you know,
1:28:40
Speaker 1: I have to shoot a five year old one sixty.
1:28:43
Speaker 1: I'm not that guy. I'm not UM. When I go
1:28:45
Speaker 1: on those trips. I want a meaningful experience. I want
1:28:49
Speaker 1: a nice hunt. And if you know, if it ends
1:28:52
Speaker 1: with me shooting a nice deer with my boat, I'm
1:28:54
Speaker 1: happy that's it. And you know I I used to
1:28:58
Speaker 1: fall into that that category that you are. You kind
1:29:01
Speaker 1: of compare to other you compare yourself to other guys
1:29:04
Speaker 1: like gosh, you know he has you know, he has
1:29:06
Speaker 1: all these leases, or he goes on these outfitted hunts,
1:29:08
Speaker 1: or you know, he's got this huge wall of you know,
1:29:11
Speaker 1: one eighties and you know this guy lives in Kansas,
1:29:14
Speaker 1: and you know I used to kind of fall into that,
1:29:16
Speaker 1: and it really just it made me more cynical and
1:29:20
Speaker 1: ruins the experience. What's that It ruins the experience? Yeah, yeah,
1:29:25
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. And and it's you gotta remember, hunting is
1:29:29
Speaker 1: in a competition everybody. It's not a level playing field.
1:29:33
Speaker 1: You you work with what you can do. You can
1:29:36
Speaker 1: do more if you're willing to sacrifice more, um and
1:29:39
Speaker 1: just be happy with you got nobody. No, nobody is
1:29:41
Speaker 1: going to care what your wall looks like when you die, right,
1:29:44
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna care. So really, like, go out and just
1:29:48
Speaker 1: have some cool experiences, you know, go out and have fun.
1:29:52
Speaker 1: Shoot a nice dear. You know, I comes by and
1:29:55
Speaker 1: you're in North Dakota and it's a three and a
1:29:58
Speaker 1: half year old buck and you want to shoot him.
1:30:00
Speaker 1: Shoot him. He's a that's a nice dear. You just
1:30:02
Speaker 1: had an epic hunt with an epic view on a
1:30:04
Speaker 1: suite road trip, you know what I mean. Like, I
1:30:08
Speaker 1: don't know, I kind of switched gears on that a
1:30:10
Speaker 1: long time ago. And you know, I'm I don't compare
1:30:13
Speaker 1: myself to anybody else. It's just it's it does. It
1:30:17
Speaker 1: ruins the experience, and just it makes you kind of
1:30:20
Speaker 1: a grumpy hunter. So you just kind of do your
1:30:23
Speaker 1: own thing, worry about yourself, and you know, does that
1:30:27
Speaker 1: have fun with it? Yeah? Yeah, I'm right there with you,
1:30:31
Speaker 1: and and I me too. For a while there, I
1:30:33
Speaker 1: was so concerned with like what other people would think
1:30:35
Speaker 1: about what I shot, And then finally got to the
1:30:38
Speaker 1: point where it just doesn't matter. To your point, just
1:30:42
Speaker 1: enjoy yourself, do it for yourself for your own reasons,
1:30:45
Speaker 1: and the rest of it will take care of itself. Um,
1:30:49
Speaker 1: So let's hop over to another question real quick. This
1:30:52
Speaker 1: is from Joe via email, and he says that he
1:30:57
Speaker 1: heard me and Dan speaking about washing everything and sent
1:31:00
Speaker 1: as detergents and all that kind of stuff. But his
1:31:02
Speaker 1: question is this, would it help or hinder to wear
1:31:06
Speaker 1: those same hunting clothes when you go out scouting so
1:31:09
Speaker 1: you get smells of the brush and dirt and other
1:31:11
Speaker 1: stuff like that, UM on your gear. In theory, he
1:31:15
Speaker 1: seems to think this would work, but does it actually
1:31:18
Speaker 1: and UM, you know if so, then he also is
1:31:21
Speaker 1: curious about specific scent control ideas for boots. He wears
1:31:25
Speaker 1: them often all over his hunting farm. Um. Again because
1:31:28
Speaker 1: he wants to get the smells of the environment on
1:31:30
Speaker 1: his boots. UM. He's curious if there's any reality to
1:31:33
Speaker 1: that or or not. UM. Andy thoughts on wearing your
1:31:37
Speaker 1: hunting gear when you're scouting in stuff and if that helps? UM,
1:31:42
Speaker 1: I do not. You know, if if I was scouting
1:31:45
Speaker 1: in season, like scouting with the stand in my back
1:31:48
Speaker 1: ready is set up at a moment's notice, yeah, sure,
1:31:51
Speaker 1: I'd probably have my hunting gear on. But other than that, UM,
1:31:54
Speaker 1: like what I'm doing now, I do not. UM. I
1:31:59
Speaker 1: practice control about is to the point where I washed
1:32:04
Speaker 1: my gear and I take a shower. UM. That's it.
1:32:07
Speaker 1: I I've I don't really take it any further than that. UM.
1:32:12
Speaker 1: My scouting gear, I usually wash it and sent free stuff.
1:32:15
Speaker 1: But I always figure, you know, once it's been on me,
1:32:20
Speaker 1: it's sort of contaminated. I don't I don't even know
1:32:23
Speaker 1: that I believe that washing it really does that much
1:32:25
Speaker 1: for me. Um. But in my mind it helps a
1:32:27
Speaker 1: little bit. I paid more attention to and then to
1:32:30
Speaker 1: my boots than anything um. I think that's the one
1:32:34
Speaker 1: piece that is always touching the ground. Um. So and
1:32:38
Speaker 1: it can leave a lingering effect. So I I take
1:32:42
Speaker 1: more care of my boots than than anything else. Um.
1:32:45
Speaker 1: But not to answer his question, I I have some
1:32:48
Speaker 1: like dedicated scouting clothes which aren't anything special. Um. And
1:32:53
Speaker 1: I just kind of keep those washed in the same
1:32:55
Speaker 1: scent free detergent and just you know, after I wear them,
1:32:58
Speaker 1: I'm usually if I'm scouting, I'm usually kind of sweaty
1:33:02
Speaker 1: after and I washed him. Yeah, So what do you
1:33:05
Speaker 1: do to to manage scent with those boots? Um? I well, yeah, yeah, UM,
1:33:13
Speaker 1: I keep him in a little tote. Um. I don't
1:33:16
Speaker 1: wear them other than hunting. Um. And and then I'm
1:33:19
Speaker 1: gonna speak on hunting around here, like places where I
1:33:23
Speaker 1: hunt repeatedly. Um, this is this is what I do.
1:33:26
Speaker 1: Rubber boots Um, I'll I'll use some activated carbon powder
1:33:32
Speaker 1: that I pour into them, um after each time, or
1:33:35
Speaker 1: sometimes I'll use zeo light. UM. I don't know if
1:33:38
Speaker 1: you remember Jim Brocker, Yeah, yeah, so so you know
1:33:42
Speaker 1: him and I had a conversation a long time ago,
1:33:44
Speaker 1: and you know he's much smarter man than me when
1:33:47
Speaker 1: it comes to that kind of stuff. So UM, I
1:33:49
Speaker 1: believe that that helps. Um. I I can't tell you
1:33:53
Speaker 1: the last time the dear smell my walking in with
1:33:59
Speaker 1: with these boots, so that they don't they don't go
1:34:01
Speaker 1: in the car, They're not on my feet while I'm driving.
1:34:04
Speaker 1: They stay in the toe. I put them on my hunt.
1:34:07
Speaker 1: When I'm done, I put them back in the toe,
1:34:08
Speaker 1: sprinkle a little carbon in there, um, and then they're
1:34:13
Speaker 1: not brought out again until I hunt again. Now. Uh,
1:34:18
Speaker 1: when I'm on a road trip, um, if it's a
1:34:21
Speaker 1: you know in Iowa, I I we hunt some places
1:34:24
Speaker 1: where there's not terrible walks. I'll still wear those and
1:34:27
Speaker 1: I'll still treat them the same way. But in southern Ohio,
1:34:31
Speaker 1: I wear more of like a hiking boot. And I'm
1:34:34
Speaker 1: there on a short term. I'm probably gonna sit in
1:34:36
Speaker 1: the spot once. Um, you know, I don't really enjoy walking,
1:34:41
Speaker 1: you know, a mile or more in those rubber boots,
1:34:43
Speaker 1: so I'll wear more of a hiking boot. Sent Control
1:34:46
Speaker 1: there is, in my opinion, pretty feudal. Uh. It's just uh,
1:34:51
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're working up a sweat walking a mile,
1:34:54
Speaker 1: carrying of gear on your back, so you stink, you're
1:34:59
Speaker 1: you're you're saying. Control there, in my opinion, is just
1:35:02
Speaker 1: playing the wind. I try to walk where I don't
1:35:04
Speaker 1: think deer will walk, and I try to play the wind,
1:35:07
Speaker 1: and you know, I just go for it like that
1:35:11
Speaker 1: in those states. So what I've what I've observed is
1:35:14
Speaker 1: that deer are much more tolerant of of human scentse
1:35:20
Speaker 1: Like you know, you know, the mature buck comes to
1:35:23
Speaker 1: I smells like, yeah, he's still probably gonna bust. But
1:35:26
Speaker 1: I've had, you know, in some of those less pressured states.
1:35:29
Speaker 1: It's just they just don't have the negative reaction that
1:35:31
Speaker 1: they do here and and probably in some other states
1:35:34
Speaker 1: like New York and Pennsylvania. I'm I'm assuming there, but
1:35:37
Speaker 1: um so you can get you can get away with
1:35:39
Speaker 1: a little more. Um. But I don't worry about it
1:35:41
Speaker 1: as much when I when I have a lot of
1:35:43
Speaker 1: hiking to do, you know, I'll just wear my good,
1:35:46
Speaker 1: my good hiking boots. Yeah, that makes sense, That makes sense.
1:35:49
Speaker 1: And I agree that the rubber boots, even the best ones,
1:35:53
Speaker 1: they're they're great for your regular everyday stuff. But as
1:35:56
Speaker 1: soon as you start hiking more than a mile or
1:35:58
Speaker 1: something like that, or like during shed in season, you
1:36:00
Speaker 1: can be walking around a lot, man, it just pays
1:36:03
Speaker 1: to switch to a hiking boot for a comfort standpoint,
1:36:06
Speaker 1: and just making it there in one piece. Um. Now
1:36:09
Speaker 1: to the other questions, though, I'll just add I agree
1:36:12
Speaker 1: with you on the scouting clothes. I wouldn't wear my
1:36:14
Speaker 1: hunting clothes um, you know for any other reason except
1:36:18
Speaker 1: for hunt really, And then I'm just keeping washed, keeping
1:36:21
Speaker 1: them storage somewhere where they're sent free. Um. And then
1:36:24
Speaker 1: same thing with the boots. I don't take things quite
1:36:26
Speaker 1: as far as you do with the zero lite powder um,
1:36:29
Speaker 1: but I do keep them stored somewhere where it's not
1:36:31
Speaker 1: you know, I don't keep them inside, keep out in
1:36:33
Speaker 1: my truck or in my barn, um, usually storing a
1:36:37
Speaker 1: tote during road trips and stuff. And then I spram
1:36:40
Speaker 1: down when I'm going hunting. And then I also put
1:36:44
Speaker 1: some spray, some nose jammer on the spray, some nose
1:36:47
Speaker 1: jammer on the bottom two, which which I've found I
1:36:49
Speaker 1: think helps them. Um. I've I've had deer come walking,
1:36:53
Speaker 1: mature box come walking right up my trail, almost like
1:36:56
Speaker 1: they're intrigued by it, but don't really know what it is,
1:36:58
Speaker 1: UM or at least don't spook UM. And then I
1:37:01
Speaker 1: pour some I know that dead down wind makes it.
1:37:05
Speaker 1: I don't know what it actually is, but some kind
1:37:07
Speaker 1: of scent absorbing powder I pour. I put that in
1:37:09
Speaker 1: the inside of my boots. Um what I'm done, and
1:37:12
Speaker 1: it kind of absorbed some the moisture and sweaty smell
1:37:15
Speaker 1: and stuff I think out of that. UM. So that's
1:37:18
Speaker 1: kind of what I do on the boot front. Dan
1:37:19
Speaker 1: anything else you'd add there. If there's one product, and
1:37:24
Speaker 1: I know it's this is crazy, what I do is
1:37:28
Speaker 1: if there's one thing I well, I don't I'm not
1:37:31
Speaker 1: a freak about sent control on like boots per se.
1:37:36
Speaker 1: But I use a lot of nose jammer throughout the year.
1:37:40
Speaker 1: And I walked through a lot of pastures, so from
1:37:43
Speaker 1: exit and entry routes, I'm spraying a lot of nose
1:37:47
Speaker 1: jammer and I'm spraying or I'm stepping in as much
1:37:50
Speaker 1: manure as i can on the way to the tree stand.
1:37:53
Speaker 1: So um that just you know, I was told told
1:37:58
Speaker 1: by an old timer to do that, and I've always
1:38:00
Speaker 1: done that. If i can find a pile of poop,
1:38:02
Speaker 1: I'm gonna step in it. It makes sense. It makes sense.
1:38:07
Speaker 1: And scouting, I do most of my scouting during shed season,
1:38:11
Speaker 1: So unless I get a property that is close to
1:38:16
Speaker 1: you know, even when I get properties that are close
1:38:19
Speaker 1: to hunting season, I haven't really scouted him. I'm running
1:38:22
Speaker 1: a gunning so I'm doing my scouting in my hunting
1:38:25
Speaker 1: clothes because I'm gonna be hunting. So um, my scouting
1:38:30
Speaker 1: is done during shed season or or running gun style.
1:38:33
Speaker 1: Yea makes sense. All right, quick rapid fire question here
1:38:38
Speaker 1: before we have to wrap it up. Alex from Instagram
1:38:41
Speaker 1: ask me me personally what I use for my plot
1:38:44
Speaker 1: screens and I was answer this really quickly. I used
1:38:47
Speaker 1: to plant a mixture of Egyptian wheat and sorghum to
1:38:51
Speaker 1: provide this kind of tall barrier of cover around food
1:38:54
Speaker 1: plots and stuff like that, or areas that you need
1:38:56
Speaker 1: to access without being seen. This year I'm just landing
1:39:00
Speaker 1: straight Egyptian wheit. I just bought some cheap Egyptian wheat
1:39:02
Speaker 1: from the female, going to see how that works. Um,
1:39:05
Speaker 1: I've heard good things. This stuff grow. It kind of
1:39:07
Speaker 1: looks like corn sort of it. It grows tall and thick. Um.
1:39:11
Speaker 1: So this way I can have something like a food
1:39:13
Speaker 1: plot even adjacent to a big, wide open crop field,
1:39:17
Speaker 1: but it's feeling secluded so you can't see it inside
1:39:20
Speaker 1: of that food plot. And that achieves a couple of
1:39:22
Speaker 1: things for you. If there's you know, if you're within
1:39:24
Speaker 1: sight of a road, this keeps people on the road
1:39:27
Speaker 1: from being able to see into your food plot, keeps
1:39:28
Speaker 1: deer in your food plot from seeing things going on
1:39:30
Speaker 1: by the road. Or if you need to walk into
1:39:33
Speaker 1: your property and you don't want animals in the food
1:39:35
Speaker 1: plot to see you walking, this is another great way
1:39:37
Speaker 1: to keep that from happening. Um, A whole bunch of
1:39:41
Speaker 1: different benefits there. So definitely recommend the whole food plat
1:39:43
Speaker 1: screen idea if you can manage land. That's what I'm
1:39:46
Speaker 1: doing there. UM, real quick last question for you to um.
1:39:52
Speaker 1: Nick wants to take his hunting to another level. He's
1:39:57
Speaker 1: been into whitetail hunting in Michigan now wants to try
1:40:00
Speaker 1: chasing mule deer or elk out of state. His tons
1:40:05
Speaker 1: of questions related to that. I'm not gonna have us
1:40:08
Speaker 1: go through all those, but really quick. He's wondering if
1:40:10
Speaker 1: we have any recommended resources, UM to help with this
1:40:14
Speaker 1: process of figuring out how to do an out of
1:40:16
Speaker 1: state hunt. UM. Anything I know both of you guys
1:40:19
Speaker 1: have done a few out of state mule deer or
1:40:21
Speaker 1: elk or analo punts in your case, Andy, any quick
1:40:25
Speaker 1: tip or quick recommended website or podcasts or resource to
1:40:29
Speaker 1: help plan that stuff. Andy thoughts, Yeah, yeah, for sure. UM.
1:40:36
Speaker 1: It's it's that whole research thing out West can be
1:40:39
Speaker 1: a little overwhelming. UM. There's two UH companies that I
1:40:43
Speaker 1: know are pretty popular. One is called Epic Outdoors and
1:40:47
Speaker 1: the other is called Hunting Fool. And they do charge
1:40:51
Speaker 1: like a yearly membership. But what that gives you is
1:40:55
Speaker 1: UH magazine, a monthly magazine UM that breaks down each
1:41:01
Speaker 1: state and species and unit UH draw odds UM. And
1:41:06
Speaker 1: it gives you access to their consultant guys who you
1:41:12
Speaker 1: can call them as long as you remember you can
1:41:13
Speaker 1: call them anytime and you can ask those questions. UM.
1:41:18
Speaker 1: You know, like you know, I don't want to hunt
1:41:20
Speaker 1: mule deer, UM, but I want to hunt them next year.
1:41:25
Speaker 1: Water my options. You know, there's there's certain states where
1:41:28
Speaker 1: that's just not going to happen, but there are states
1:41:30
Speaker 1: where it can happen. UM. And it's that might not
1:41:33
Speaker 1: necessarily be what's considered a trophy hunt, but it's considered
1:41:37
Speaker 1: out West, they call it more of like an opportunity hunt.
1:41:39
Speaker 1: So they're there, there are situations or maybe your goal is, hey,
1:41:43
Speaker 1: I want to hunt hunternadians mule there they'll be able
1:41:46
Speaker 1: to kind of build you uh uh like a program
1:41:51
Speaker 1: of of you know, hunt here here, here, build up
1:41:55
Speaker 1: your experience of hunting mule deer, and then by the
1:41:57
Speaker 1: time you have four or five points, you can draw
1:42:00
Speaker 1: this tag and Colorado and you'll be in the neighborhood
1:42:03
Speaker 1: of adile deer. So those are two that come to mind, UM,
1:42:08
Speaker 1: that are helpful. UM. And there's some really good podcast uh.
1:42:14
Speaker 1: The Rich Outdoors is a really good one that I like,
1:42:17
Speaker 1: UM on out West Hunting UM, Epic Outdoors and Hunting
1:42:20
Speaker 1: Full have their own podcasts also, and they'll have you know,
1:42:25
Speaker 1: species and and state breakdown. Um, you know that sort
1:42:29
Speaker 1: of thing. I'm in the same ballpark, is uh, as
1:42:33
Speaker 1: the guy that asked this question. I'm hunting meal deer
1:42:35
Speaker 1: um this year for the first time. UM. I did
1:42:39
Speaker 1: antelope last year and I'm doing an antelope meal deer
1:42:41
Speaker 1: combo this year. So I'm kind of in that same ballpark.
1:42:44
Speaker 1: But you have to kind of have some goals. Um,
1:42:48
Speaker 1: you know what you want to be hunting. I mean,
1:42:50
Speaker 1: if you care about size, you know you're gonna have
1:42:53
Speaker 1: a different draw strategy than maybe someone like me who
1:42:56
Speaker 1: just wants to go often. So well, I would I
1:42:59
Speaker 1: would look into those uh, look into those two good
1:43:03
Speaker 1: good options. Uh, Dan Man, I know that I can't
1:43:08
Speaker 1: remember what podcast it was that we we talked about this,
1:43:12
Speaker 1: but you know, dig through the wire to hunt podcasts.
1:43:15
Speaker 1: There's gotta be one. I don't know the number specifically,
1:43:19
Speaker 1: but um the uh, we we've talked about several times
1:43:25
Speaker 1: about how to prep for Western trips. But um, as
1:43:30
Speaker 1: far as shameless promotion is concerned. Uh, they're on the
1:43:34
Speaker 1: Sportsman's Nation, Uh Western Big Game Feed. There's a podcast
1:43:39
Speaker 1: called Rookies in the back Country, and these guys have
1:43:43
Speaker 1: never hunted out West before and they're they're planning for it,
1:43:47
Speaker 1: So all of their guests are somewhat experts per se
1:43:54
Speaker 1: or people who have done Western hunts before and are
1:43:57
Speaker 1: basically giving the hosts of the podcast information about hunting
1:44:02
Speaker 1: the West. So a lot of good content there. Cool,
1:44:06
Speaker 1: that sounds awesome. Yeah, good stuff there. I will throw
1:44:10
Speaker 1: in a few other recommendations. Go hunt dot com is
1:44:13
Speaker 1: a website that, again there's a membership fee, but if
1:44:16
Speaker 1: you become a member, there's tons of information as far
1:44:19
Speaker 1: as everything you know for each state, for each different species,
1:44:24
Speaker 1: the different draws, the different units, actual really detailed breakdowns
1:44:29
Speaker 1: of each unit in each state. I found that very helpful. Um.
1:44:33
Speaker 1: You know Randy Newberg's podcast, he does a lot of
1:44:36
Speaker 1: good stuff around helping people get figured out when they're
1:44:39
Speaker 1: doing their first odd state hunts. And his forum hunt
1:44:41
Speaker 1: talk um uh or shoot what's the U? R l um?
1:44:47
Speaker 1: I don't remember the U all but just look up
1:44:48
Speaker 1: Randy Newberg's website. You'll take you to his forum. That's
1:44:51
Speaker 1: another good option. Um. Yeah, all the other podcasts you mentioned,
1:44:56
Speaker 1: there's tons of great information out there. We have, as
1:44:58
Speaker 1: Dan said, we've done some podcast talking about our own
1:45:01
Speaker 1: personal experiences. So if you do a little searching through
1:45:04
Speaker 1: our podcast archives, you'll see them there as well. So, man,
1:45:09
Speaker 1: I feel like we need to wrap this one up
1:45:11
Speaker 1: because we've gone pretty long. Um any any final words? Andy,
1:45:15
Speaker 1: you want to leave our folks with? No? Man, it
1:45:18
Speaker 1: was it was fun and I appreciate you guys had
1:45:21
Speaker 1: me on. It was a good time to be happy
1:45:23
Speaker 1: to do it again. Sometimes, what are you going to
1:45:25
Speaker 1: write a book? May? I don't think there's any books
1:45:30
Speaker 1: in my future. Come on, there's gotta be something maybe
1:45:34
Speaker 1: maybe maybe, you mean, Andy, maybe we'll sit down for
1:45:38
Speaker 1: seven hours one day and I'll record you talk and
1:45:40
Speaker 1: then I'll make a book out of it and take
1:45:43
Speaker 1: the proceeds. What about that? That sounds that sounds like?
1:45:48
Speaker 1: Sounds fair? Yeah, sounds really fair? Yeah? Alright, uh Dan,
1:45:53
Speaker 1: anything we need to cover before we go? Science has
1:45:56
Speaker 1: still not allowed me to grow the fingerback. So good.
1:46:01
Speaker 1: All right, let's let's wrap this one up and that
1:46:06
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