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Jaya Simrit Kaur | Native Healing, Demon Battles, Universal Saints, and The Mystic Path · My Family Thinks I'm Crazy

• 0:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: I have a mini-shade, but every time I do, my family thinks I'm crazy.
• 0:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: The whole world, you opposed any of the dating toward the one of the Swiss guys, daily.
• 0:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: But if I don't know about these things, they think I'm crazy.
• 0:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's no escape between any one day.
• 0:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm crazy.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going night and night and you're told that I'm crazy, baby.
• 0:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: The days been anyways, but everything's crazy.
• 0:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're all happening simultaneously, right?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So when I say like my past life, like maybe yeah, now we're talking here that was in the past, but they're all happening continuously.
• 1:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, and now to go to like, so, this is again like, why I can't say like, oh, you need to do this, you need to live, you need to die, whatever, because I don't know everyone's path or everyone's journey and we all have different purposes for our incarnation.
• 1:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: What you need to understand is you don't know everybody's path.
• 1:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: There are literally infinite dimensions and infinite timelines.
• 1:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're down here experiencing three-day reality, we're experiencing time, like it's like whatever time it is for me where I am, whatever time it is for you or you are, you know, this is the world that we're living in.
• 1:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: The work that I do in the spiritual healing field is outside of those limitations.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So we're not in time and space when we're working.
• 1:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: And when we're outside of time and space, we're also, there's not like, oh, this is my past life.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: This is my future.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like it's all here.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's all in the, the ever present now.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You just heard today's guest, Spiritual Healer and Teacher, who joins me, Mystic Mark here on the My Family Things I'm Crazy Podcast.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for tuning in and enjoy this conversation with Jaya Simrit Coward.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to my family.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Think some crazy podcast.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm your host, Mystic Mark.
• 3:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've got a very special episode for us today.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Someone who's going to be talking about, well, topic that I had a brush with in the past few months and yeah, it's deep stuff.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So let's get right into it without further ado.
• 3:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go with
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Jaya, but I could be pronouncing this wrong, so I'm gonna let her tell us her name, but Jaya Simrit Core is my attempt to pronounce it.
• 4:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: No close to perfect, I'm so impressed.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's Jaya Simrit Core, but it's so close, excellent job.
• 4:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to go with Core, because I feel like that's kind of what we're gonna be talking about today, like the core of things.
• 4:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: So tell the audience what brings you here today, what, you know,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: What's your journey's been like thus far?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's a really big question.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So I won't take the whole time with answering that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But the wonderful Ryan Spray introduced us and said we should connect after I did his podcast a couple weeks ago.
• 4:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I just from the start was like, it's called my family things I'm crazy.
• 4:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like how perfect is that?
• 4:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
• 4:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's such a good title.
• 4:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I was virtual healer and teacher and a mystic mentor and actually what I think you're referring to that we'll be talking about today.
• 4:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is the first time I'm ever talking about this.
• 5:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So this is like the the debut of that of that topic.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 5:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's synchronistic.
• 5:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if Ryan knew this, but my grandmother passed away.
• 5:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, now it's about two months ago.
• 5:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: It still feels like it's only a month ago.
• 5:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm so close to my grandmother, so I was with her in the last few weeks and they're by her side when she passed away.
• 5:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's very tender for me, but I would like to talk about that topic for sure.
• 5:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let me ask you about your early life, because the title of the show resonates with you.
• 5:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Always the type of kid who is getting into trouble, where you type of kid who was following all the rules, but interested in the weird stuff, tell us about that.
• 5:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because if you feel like your family thinks you're crazy, it doesn't happen out of nowhere.
• 6:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I definitely wasn't like getting into trouble.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm an oldest daughter and so I was always like an overachiever and sort of like in that way.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: strived for perfection.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I always got good grades.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I actually graduated high school like six months early because I just finished all my work because I was like I'm bored of this like what's what else?
• 6:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which is kind of how I got to where I am as a spiritual healer and as someone who does work that's that's not very common the level that I'm working at because I just was always like okay what's next you know I kind of
• 6:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: would just focus so intently on mastering each thing and then and then what's after that?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: What's deeper than that?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So I was always really curious.
• 6:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think like a lot of people and a lot of people who come to me I was really open as a kid.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of kids are when you know when we come into this this this life we're so close to the other side.
• 7:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we're often really open and like for example my niece I remember when she was like two years old she was like
• 7:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Before I was here, I was, you know, and telling me about, you know, it's just like normal.
• 7:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I was like that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I had a really deep, of course I didn't know this is what it was, but spiritual practice when I was a kid.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I would interact with spirits and beings.
• 7:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I had a really, really, like, God for me was nature.
• 7:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I would spend a lot of time outside.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I would be communicating with trees.
• 7:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would be communicating with just like the ethers.
• 7:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And for me, this was normal, and it wasn't until I was around maybe eight or so years old, I was telling my brother about, because I was actually traveling in the night without knowing what it was, right?
• 7:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I was telling my brother, like, you gotta go to this place at night, it's so cool, you could fly there, and he was really upset because he was like, well, why can't I go?
• 8:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, you can, and then the next day, you know, like, I didn't go, you're making it all up.
• 8:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this was kind of like the beginning of me realizing, oh, not everybody's having the experiences that I'm having.
• 8:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then I started to understand like, I kind of started to shut down, which happens to a lot of kids because it's like, it's not safe for me to talk about these things because
• 8:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: My family thinks I'm crazy, you know, and so I think we have this this ingrained survival mechanism in us that if we're outside of the norm of the tribe, then we're going to be excommunicated, not protected, you know, not survive literally.
• 8:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so that really kicked in for me around that age, and that's when I kind of shut down.
• 8:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll see clients all the time who will begin to open throughout the process of working together and have memories of when they were a kid and they would have different spiritual experiences and they kind of just come back online when we start to have them again.
• 9:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, that's kind of how it was for me and I was always weird.
• 9:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, like, I mean, I was always really interested in in other things.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I had a really active, imaginal space because I wasn't very happy in my reality.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I spent a lot of time reading.
• 9:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was really interested in like philosophy, which was my pathway to mysticism, even when I was a kid.
• 9:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was reading these, these types of books.
• 9:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Emerson was like my gateway reading his poems and then I started making our utter really young age as well So yeah, I was always really different and I was always told that that was bad and wrong and That I was too sensitive and you know like no one taught me how to like close my field down to everyone's emotions right if which is something that I teach people now because it's so important But yeah, I mean, I think it's like oh
• 10:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone has their own journey who's on this path of coming to a place of being like, oh, I'm not bad and wrong.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a weirdo.
• 10:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just totally different from the people that I grew up around.
• 10:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you're lucky, you're accepted in that.
• 10:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if you're not, then you know, you get a little bit of a harsh, harsh, harsh lessons there, which a lot of us have been through.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I was like that as a kid.
• 10:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: you're bringing back a memory for me of being in gym class and you know they'd throw us in like the workout room for an hour uncertain days of the week to just like do exercises and I would climb to the top of the place where you're supposed to do pull up bars and I would you know do pull ups I would sit like yogi style on the you know eight feet above the whole
• 10:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: room and everyone look up like oh there's Mark being a weirdo again but yeah I was tapping into something like you know getting into that lotus pose or that yoga you know seated position helped me big time later in life as I got into martial arts and but
• 11:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: Similar route, philosophy, the mysticism, you know, you're interested in all this kind of flowery poetic stuff that doesn't quite make sense to your young mind and then it starts to click and then all of a sudden you have a thousand books in your apartment, but yeah.
• 11:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, let me ask you about that high school age at time because you said you spread through your senior year, your board of it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So when you became a sort of proto adult, like what was your goal at that age?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Did you have any inkling that you'd be where you're at now?
• 11:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Was it sort of a vague idea that you wanted to do something self-guided?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Because a lot of us, you know, we don't know where we're heading, but we have
• 12:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: faith in ourselves that will figure it out.
• 12:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like you're someone who is kind of embodying that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, thank you.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And gosh, I haven't thought about that time my life in a long time.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So let me kind of go back in time.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I got really, really, really depressed and anxious in high school.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, around my junior year, I just woke up one day and kind of get out of bed.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I had been, you know, on a fairly normal, like, I would wake up every day and take a shower and put my makeup on and do my hair and get a cute outfit on and go to school, you know?
• 12:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's just was my life.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So all the sudden, I like couldn't move.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't get out of bed.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I started skipping school and I was just like, what is going on?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I had no reference, no support.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this was before even like, you know, the internet was that big.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So it wasn't like I could just like,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: There was no reference at all.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So that was kind of part of it for me was wanting to figure out, like, okay, what's going on?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Because I really view life as an experiment and I always have and just like getting curious, like, what is this, you know, and how do I move through it?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So that, I just didn't want to go back to school.
• 13:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was just like, I'm down with this.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So I did home school and I graduated in early and then I went to college
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I really didn't know what I wanted to do, like I was undeclared for like two years.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Because I wasn't sure, but I knew that there was something really big for me.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I knew that I was going to be doing something really big.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: In terms of, did I know I was going to be doing this?
• 13:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely not.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I had no idea that being a healer was even a thing, literally.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I never heard of it before.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: at all.
• 13:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I, you know, definitely never even thought about it.
• 14:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I knew that there was something more and I was so bored with the norm.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Like I feel like I sped through all of like materialism and all these things that other people kind of will go through their whole lives.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Like I sped through that so fast.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's such a young age and came to the point where I was like, none of this means anything.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: What is real?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like what's actually going to satisfy me?
• 14:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's interesting because we see so many times like big name celebrities and people who have a lot of money go through the same thing and this certainly wasn't the case for me.
• 14:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: But where they're like, wait, I have everything I ever thought I wanted and I'm miserable.
• 14:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes that's when people come to see me when they're like, okay, what now?
• 14:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I kind of was like, I knew that I knew that there was something, but I just didn't know what it was.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I studied everything, like I took so many classes.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But my biggest things were writing and painting, and I have a BFA in painting.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I was really interested in our study to broaden Italy, which was amazing.
• 15:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was such a blessing to be able to do that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I just kept broadening my mind.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But in terms of what I wanted to do, like it took me a really long time to figure it out.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: But I knew it was something big.
• 15:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I knew it was going to impact a lot of people because I could feel myself getting ready for that at every step and I could feel like at this point I didn't know what to believe in but I could feel something greater than myself like putting me on these different pathways to prepare me for something and I just had a really deep sense that everything I was going through was for a reason.
• 15:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Now, when was that tested or challenged, like you graduated from school, right?
• 15:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, kind of, once smoothly, I'm gonna assume, but was there a moment where you were like, you know, the rubber meets the road?
• 15:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: I gotta actually do this.
• 15:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, for sure.
• 16:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So when I graduated college, I moved to New York City and I just started working and I worked my ass off, but I did so many different jobs and I would often do like all jobs on Craigslist.
• 16:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just did like everything.
• 16:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was a fundraiser.
• 16:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: for nonprofits for a long time.
• 16:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was a wedding and a vet planner for a long time.
• 16:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I did so many things.
• 16:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, I was a waitress when I first moved there in a nanny.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And so it was a lot of a lot of hustling in New York.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I had a lot of fun.
• 16:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was like, you know, in my twenties and I was really kind of like,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: just in that phase, but I was also like, I was like, what?
• 16:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was just waiting in a way, you know?
• 16:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, what not in like a lazy way, but in like a like, what is the thing gonna come?
• 16:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, what is the thing gonna happen?
• 16:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, yeah, it didn't actually happen until I left New York.
• 16:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Towards the end of my time in New York, that's when I started kind of having, kind of having like a spiritual awakening,
• 17:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: that has since never stopped and it's always like a new layer and a new layer and a new layer.
• 17:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I just was in this like, what is it phase?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like what's next?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: What's what's coming?
• 17:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Again, really curious.
• 17:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's when I started reading more like Eckhart Tolley type stuff and getting a little bit more.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's when I started meditating, started getting into energy healing.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So like sort of the beginning of that path was like the end of my of my time in New York.
• 17:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 17:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: New York is a powerful place, all that energy.
• 17:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: So much energy.
• 17:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's, it jump starts people's lives, you know, we talked about where we're located before we started in, you know, Connecticut, New York are very much tied together and
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The cultures are kind of playoff on another.
• 17:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's something to bring Peter's work back up again.
• 18:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like we were talking about earlier, you know, the chakra lane goes through Connecticut, but that's really a small aspect of his work.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: One of the main aspects of his work is understanding where the earth is sort of pulling or pushing against itself.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And New York is one of these geographical positions.
• 18:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like all the land from New England is pushing into the rest of North America and all that energy is just flowing out and there's all this water to like, you know, bounce it around.
• 18:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, fascinating.
• 18:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: New York is a powerful place.
• 18:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: So you got an Eckhart toll.
• 18:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: You get in the meditation and you said that there's a there's a sort of awakening experience that hasn't ceased.
• 18:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: What was that awakening experience?
• 18:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like was it was just sort of over a longer period of time or was it like an instant where it was like a shift?
• 19:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think both, I think that it started kind of slowly and then I've had so many moments where it's just like,
• 19:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've had definitely moments where I've like popped open and like boom, like new gifts come online.
• 19:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're just like downloaded into my body, like memories coming in, like everything's different now.
• 19:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then in the past few years, it's been more of like a progression of like a new doorway will open.
• 19:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: and a deeper doorway will open.
• 19:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I had one of these about a month ago, maybe a month and a half now, when I was in the UK, I was just sitting in meditation in really deep meditation and all the sudden, just this doorway opened.
• 19:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh, I'm now in a completely different realm.
• 19:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it wasn't just in that meditation, it was from now on.
• 19:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I've had probably hundreds of experiences over the past
• 20:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know, I guess two decades where they're they're so varied.
• 20:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, some of them are just like crazy like wild things and some of them are slower and more progressive.
• 20:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: But what I love about this and I think someone like me needs a journey like this because I just learned everything I can about a subject and then I get bored and and it's not that I'm like
• 20:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've learned everything about it.
• 20:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I want to keep going further and further.
• 20:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's what led me part of the reason that led me down the path I'm on now is because this never ends.
• 20:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's something that people I love to always hear this feedback when people that have worked with me for years will come to a new offering and be like, it's always different.
• 20:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I love that because, you know, I don't want people to have the same experience.
• 20:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I want them to have the new openings too, and so a big part of my work is developing people.
• 21:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: So allowing them to have these experiences, but also developing them so that they're also progressing.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: because a lot of teachers aren't doing that.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people are just kind of like, here's an experience.
• 21:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now go integrate it on your own and I'm not doing that.
• 21:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, people can work however they want long-term or one-time, but I'm really wanting people to develop so that they have like a really strong foundation and base to carry it and have it carry them through their life because I just think that's so much more meaningful and special.
• 21:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I love that it's always different.
• 21:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's so fun, you know, who wants to have the same thing every day?
• 21:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: When you were first called to share this with someone, right?
• 21:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, tell me about that.
• 21:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: When was the sort of transition from your own inward spiritual journey to when, I mean, obviously, where the, you know, results of the people around us, right?
• 22:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm sure there was moments, but when you stepped into a role as a teacher, what was that like?
• 22:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, it felt like coming home.
• 22:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: It felt so natural.
• 22:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: It felt like there's nothing else I want to do other than heal people and teach people.
• 22:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like it just brings me so much joy.
• 22:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I guess when it first started was after I got my rakey master certification, I, you know, you got to do healings for people, right?
• 22:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I did.
• 22:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I knew that I wasn't just giving Ricky.
• 22:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not that Ricky's not amazing and beautiful and powerful, but I knew it was something different and I was like, what is happening?
• 22:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the people who I was giving it to also knew and they would tell me and so I was like, okay, something's happening here.
• 22:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then around this point is when I start to get really sick and have a lot of really big issues come up in my life and I started seeing healers and I would have a really weird experience with the healers that I would go see and
• 23:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, what is going on?
• 23:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they would, like, they could see and know what was happening with me before I did.
• 23:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that makes sense.
• 23:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of difficult to talk about.
• 23:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: But like, I would, I would see people and they would be like, well, I can't help you.
• 23:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: You need to see someone out.
• 23:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, you need to, and I was like, okay.
• 23:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then people just were having very intense experiences around me when I wasn't even doing anything.
• 23:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: after it started to awaken and then also like you know during the sessions and I sort of was like okay I need to figure out what's going on here and then I just I just did I just kept doing it and I just kept offering healing and then you know it like it was not a plan it was not like oh I'm a healer now it just it just was happening very organically
• 24:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And like, still to this day, nothing brings me greater joy than being in session with someone with a one-on-one or in a group.
• 24:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I will never be happier than that.
• 24:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: It brings me so much joy and to see people's experiences, especially people who are like, you know, like myself, like, oh, the doctors have given me no chance.
• 24:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And like, I'm working with someone right now who was told she would be dead in three weeks.
• 24:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this is the type of stuff that I'm, you know, people come to me for literally anything and I don't, I refuse to niche because I've never thought with someone who I couldn't help in some way.
• 24:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, but like, you know, to be able to, to sit with someone and be like, I don't accept that.
• 24:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if you also don't accept that, let's do this.
• 24:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because I'm only half of it, right?
• 24:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: They also have to be like, I, I just, I'm deciding that that's not going to be true for me.
• 24:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: But so, I think that,
• 24:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just, it just started happening.
• 25:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was really organic.
• 25:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then once I realized it was all I wanted to do was teach and heal.
• 25:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just started doing it.
• 25:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sort of accidentally as a career.
• 25:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then I was like, why would I do anything else?
• 25:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was just so uninterested in doing anything else.
• 25:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 25:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: What you just said struck such a chord with me, multiple things you said.
• 25:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: But particularly,
• 25:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: will you accept this I'm not going to accept this that that phrasing you know part of why my family thinks I'm crazy is because anytime there is a health issue or something that might require a second thought you know and I am the one to offer that there's a little bit more suspicion because I'm coming from this alternative fringe to them fringe perspective
• 25:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: So they'll trust the doctor, but they won't trust me.
• 25:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it's a difficult place to be with family, you know, because you want to help them, you want to show them the way you see things, but oftentimes they already have an idea of who you are and what you see that makes it difficult, right?
• 26:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: So on that note,
• 26:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, how do you take someone from a place of being diagnosed like terminally like that to the one idea of, I'm alive and I'm going to embrace my life and move forward and not let this be a death sentence.
• 26:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, first of all, the term alternative is actually not appropriate for what we're doing, and it's actually a pharmaceutical medication is actually alternative.
• 26:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is...
• 26:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: native.
• 26:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: So alternative versus native.
• 26:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: So this work is actually native.
• 26:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sure you know that, but just for the listeners.
• 26:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it might be alternative for our current society, but it's actually the most natural thing.
• 27:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I hope that there's a day that people can see that.
• 27:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, the programming is deep.
• 27:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we gave that's a whole other conversation.
• 27:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: But to answer your question, I think that the first
• 27:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: thing and one of the hardest things for me about doing this is that it's actually not my job to get them to choose something else.
• 27:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, and that's really difficult for me because I'll say what someone and I'll know because I'm looking inside their field and I can see that they're in complete agreement with the disease.
• 27:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I will always try, if they come to me, that means they won't help, right?
• 27:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I will always try to pull them out of that, and that's step number one.
• 27:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: We can't do anything otherwise.
• 27:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: If I'm doing a healing, it's gonna lay flat if they're not gonna open up to agree to live.
• 28:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that the first thing is seeing if they want to be here or not,
• 28:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: or if they're in agreement to death or to life.
• 28:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if they're in agreement to death, I'm going to work on getting them out of that agreement first.
• 28:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if I can do that, if they're going to allow that great, let's go.
• 28:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: If they're not, you know, I have to after doing everything I can, really let that go, which is really hard for me and something I don't want to do.
• 28:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I have to respect everyone's journey.
• 28:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I have to respect that I don't know everything.
• 28:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: and that maybe this is what they want.
• 28:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: But luckily, most people that come to me are, you know, in some way, ready to heal and ready to accept it.
• 28:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's really a case by case basis.
• 28:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, every single person I sit with, every single session is going to be totally different because it's what I call living transmission.
• 28:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's not like, I'm not following any formula.
• 28:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not doing, you know, some protocol.
• 28:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sitting with you where you are now.
• 29:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: at this moment and seeing what do we need to do now and what's possible right now and then going into doing it.
• 29:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, but I will, for my part, always do everything that I can.
• 29:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: to first pull you out of the agreement to death, if that's where you are, and then second, like, get you where you need to be, and it is a collaborative effort.
• 29:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: If it was just on me, everyone would be living, but it's not.
• 29:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so that's part of my process to be like, hey, I'm not in charge of this person's life if they don't wanna, if they don't wanna kinda turn around, but luckily most people who come to see me do.
• 29:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, thank you for correcting me and clarifying for the audience because I had never even
• 29:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, we talk about words and etymology a lot.
• 29:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: And this show I'd never even considered the fact that native was right there in alternative.
• 30:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you get the, you know, alopathic medicine has flipped itself so that it seems like the norm and pushed out homeyopathy.
• 30:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's ridiculous.
• 30:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: And we need to start calling you know, so thank you for correcting me.
• 30:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: We need that on this show.
• 30:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I'm with you that, you know, you can't heal unless you're an active participant in the process.
• 30:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's another big issue with our current Western world view around this stuff is that people consider themselves like cars and a garage and they just pull in and oh doc fix me, you know, it's like no, like you have to be
• 30:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: ahead of this, you shouldn't even be addressing your health in those scenarios.
• 30:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Your health should be addressed at the grocery store and in the kitchen and in the home.
• 30:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: So anyways, that's a big source bot for me on the show.
• 31:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's difficult to talk about because
• 31:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Especially with a podcast like this, you know, the audience sometimes wants me to have like doctors on and to explain all the ins and outs of why the medical industry is a scam or why there's things there's issues with it.
• 31:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: But personally, I'm so against all of it that I'm just like, I don't even want to put my mind there.
• 31:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like can we just avoid it?
• 31:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: native, that's, I mean, I'm gonna write that down and keep that in mind for a while.
• 31:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: So thank you.
• 31:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 31:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: So those practices are actually alternative because they are the altar of the native.
• 31:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: What I'm doing is native.
• 31:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is the, what I'm doing is the oldest type of type of healing modality there is.
• 31:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing new age about my work at all and I don't consider myself new age.
• 31:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: But there are, and I totally understand, not wanting to go down those roads, but there are actual reasons that are not nice or pretty to look at, but of why we're in this situation, and what it means to go down that road versus this road.
• 32:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: But sometimes people will see me and I'll be like, okay, you know, we're doing the work together.
• 32:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing the healing work for you and then I also need you to do these things.
• 32:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: So whatever comes through during the session is what I tell them.
• 32:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so it's maybe like working with specific herbs.
• 32:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Homeopathics, foods, whatever it may be, maybe it's like, you need to meditate every day.
• 32:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: You need to listen to this recording that I'm giving you.
• 32:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's whatever type of exercise they need to do that comes through.
• 32:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And people are, they want, they're like, just, just fix me.
• 32:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then let me go back to my life.
• 32:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, well, that's not how it works, you know?
• 32:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, if you're taking a pill every day, for example, it's the same thing with this work.
• 32:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can't, it's not a one and done.
• 32:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And yes, absolutely, we can do so.
• 32:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: We can change your entire trajectory of your life in one hour.
• 33:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is what I do.
• 33:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if you're going to throw it all away by going and eating filling your body with garbage or deciding not to get up and go on a walk or whatever, there's something that I can do about that.
• 33:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's also one of the other things that's difficult for me in my position is like, I want that for everyone.
• 33:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: But if they're not going to do it,
• 33:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's not my, you know, that's not my journey and that's not my business.
• 33:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think especially like think about if you're in a place where your body is sick, like think about everything that went into that, like the maybe eating habits, maybe lifestyle, maybe stress, you know, all these things that we know are contributing.
• 33:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to take some decisions and some movement from your part to make to make different choices.
• 33:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well said, it's something that we have to be an active participant in and to somebody who's like, help me heal so I can get back to my life.
• 34:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, hey, your life is what got you there.
• 34:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, exactly.
• 34:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Back to the same poison and toxicity that got you sick, right?
• 34:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a big, a big reason why my family thinks I'm crazy because sometimes my indifference to their inability to heal themselves comes off as judgmental or aloof and it's in a big way self-preservation because if I were to give too much of my energy to them and then it was misplaced or misused now I'm at a deficit and I can't help them.
• 34:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: in the ways that I can from a more, you know, whole or
• 34:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: you know, centered perspective.
• 34:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I really vibe with how you help people.
• 34:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've had one rakey session in my life that really it was kind of a pivotal moment.
• 35:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was around the age of sixteen or seventeen.
• 35:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: I had my first like big heartbreak and I went to a rakey healer and I'll never forget this woman's name, Glennish was her name such a unique name.
• 35:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: and she healed me like I was in the chair for what felt like five minutes but it was an hour like you know I was right around sunset that I went there so there was still light and all of a sudden it was dark and it's just the glow of the light in the room and time had just slipped in such a way that I was like wow something happened there you know and my life's been really different since that one moment
• 35:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 35:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's beautiful.
• 35:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: She must have been a really good healer.
• 35:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think so.
• 35:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen, again, so that's the other thing, too, is like sometimes you have these moments with people that are very, it was for that moment, right?
• 36:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I worked back over and over again, that'd be the opposite of healing in that sense, right?
• 36:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like I'd received the energy I needed and worked with it.
• 36:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I want to ask you about your spiritual mentors or guides, like,
• 36:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Were there moments in your life where, you know, a certain person met you, where you were, like, and it almost felt like kism at our synchronicity, like these moments where, you know, your life does change in a big way, and you weren't even expecting it.
• 36:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think for myself, I've really always wanted a mentor and I've never had one.
• 36:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And especially as someone who is a mentor, it's always like, you know, I think it's really interesting.
• 36:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think for me, I used to and sometimes still do get really like angry about it.
• 37:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, why can't I have this?
• 37:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that like the answer of always got and you know when I've been like in meditation about it is that it's because for me it was always about going deeper within myself and finding those resources there.
• 37:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I really think that we really should
• 37:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: for our own sake, work with other people because we have blind spots that we can't see.
• 37:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, sitting with someone else is always really, really important.
• 37:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: But for me specifically, I feel like I've kind of just never had that.
• 37:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm always like, well, some day it'll come, you know, I've had really good teachers for sure that have really like,
• 37:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: altered the course of my life, absolutely.
• 37:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there's one healer who is also a friend now, who I've been working with for like six years now.
• 37:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: His name is Joelle Adifon and he is amazing and I would say that he inspires me.
• 38:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: more than anyone I've ever met and has influenced me as a healer so much more than anyone else and it's crazy because like he's younger than I am you know it's not like a traditional thing but he's saved my life twice like literally not like just like as a throwaway phrase he's literally brought me back from death twice he is an absolutely amazing healer
• 38:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've been influenced by him and inspired by him so much and really really grateful for him and his and his teachings like just having a conversation with him is a teaching and the way that he
• 38:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's also like the only person I've ever met.
• 38:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're very different, but he's the only person I've ever met who's like me in the sense that's like, absolutely not.
• 39:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't accept that.
• 39:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's change it.
• 39:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's how I am.
• 39:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, it's very intense, but it's just how I am.
• 39:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's how he is.
• 39:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not in like a like delusional kind of way.
• 39:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's in a very grounded
• 39:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: way and like there are people who are attempting to do what I'm doing who don't even meditate who don't even really have much of a practice those people can't do shit okay but this man he is in ritual all day long so that when somebody calls him up with an urgency like I've done before like literally I texted him one day and I was like hey I'm pretty sure I'm gonna die tonight my heart is
• 39:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: barely beating like I knew I was dying and for like hours he didn't get back to me and then he called me and he's like okay
• 39:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: and just went into ritual and prayer and later I confirmed it with my diviner that he absolutely saved my life.
• 39:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: The next day I was different.
• 40:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: My heart was beating normally like so it's literally the work that he's doing and like I said we're very different but it's the same thing for me that I'm doing is what makes it so like when you come to me people are like it's only an hour session like listen
• 40:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: We might not even need that, you know?
• 40:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's the the preparatory work and the dedication and similar to me, he's like always going further and further and further and what else, you know?
• 40:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I just, I admire him so much.
• 40:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so glad you asked me because I'm so happy to like have the opportunity to talk about him.
• 40:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's outstanding human being and like I look up to him so much as a healer.
• 40:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm grateful for him as a friend and yeah, he's not my mentor.
• 40:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: But like, that's the best way to answer that.
• 40:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And sorry if that's kind of not what you asked.
• 40:53
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• 40:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's the show.
• 40:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I get the answers that I get, you know?
• 41:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that was good.
• 41:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: You give me this sense of like a no nonsense healing.
• 41:18
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• 45:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: And like, somebody who, like, my training is in martial arts and wrestling and through that, that's some really deep people who had that same kind of approach like, dude, this isn't for show, like we're not just like breaking boards and putting on a play for people.
• 45:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to fight, you got to take this seriously and, you know, I get that same sense from the way you talk about your practice and your healing
• 45:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: And in a world where, you know, with this podcast, I'm sure I've interviewed a few of them, where it's very about appearances and superficiality, you know, like those types of healers with quotation marks around it, they want to drag you into three, four, five hour sessions and really
• 46:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: In a way, I think just, you know, keep you on a hook or have a carried on the stick in front of you for as long as possible.
• 46:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Whereas to your point, like, we might not even need the hour.
• 46:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I love that confidence of like, we're going to get to the bottom of this.
• 46:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: And on that note, the bottom, the underworld, the underground, you mentioned death and
• 46:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: being on its doorstep being close to death and being saved by Joel, shout out to him if he's listening.
• 46:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Joel, sorry, but tell me about that because that's a big part of what you've been doing recently, right?
• 46:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: You've been stepping into the gun roll because in a sense, healing is like getting people to take their life into their hands, right?
• 46:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: But with death, you know, there it comes for everybody.
• 47:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: There is a point for everybody, right?
• 47:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: So tell me about how you transitioned into helping people transition.
• 47:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 47:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: So really great segue by the way.
• 47:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
• 47:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: So of course, I've been a healer for many years.
• 47:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love doing it.
• 47:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: I literally will never stop doing healings until like on my death, but I want to be healing people.
• 47:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then throughout my journey and my entire life, I've always
• 47:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: felt like like I've always had a really deep connection with death.
• 47:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you look at it astrologically, like almost my entire chart is ruled by Saturn, which is death.
• 47:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I've had a lot of near-death experiences.
• 47:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have narrowly escaped death many times.
• 47:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, like, by all accounts, I shouldn't be here.
• 47:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: By all medical accounts, I shouldn't be here.
• 47:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: By all, like, probability, I shouldn't be here.
• 47:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, accidents being told I was gonna die by Dr. You know, many, many, many things, like, very weird circumstances.
• 48:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, like, I've, you know, so I have, I've always had a deep relationship with death.
• 48:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, for a while, I think, like, probably most people, I was afraid of that and of death.
• 48:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: and then at some point I started to embrace it and I've embraced it in like an alchemical way right in like going through the death and rebirth process a lot and this is also something I do with people but then in the past like couple of years I would say like the past two years I felt really cold to
• 48:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: really explore walking that line with people and my clients as well.
• 48:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it really started with, you know, I'm in this very deep community of people who are doing very high level spiritual healing work like myself.
• 48:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, we're in these group chats and I'll get a lot of, you know, anytime there's a request, I'll get messages right.
• 48:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so whenever it was someone who was dying and I would go in and do the work for them on my own, I would just notice how
• 49:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: There was just a huge opening for me because sometimes you'll go in and there's no opening.
• 49:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's just nothing there for you to do.
• 49:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not your place, not your part, whatever.
• 49:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: But for me, like every time it happened over the years, I was like over the past maybe six years.
• 49:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was always able to like literally bring them to the light.
• 49:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's a huge gift to be able to have that opening, to be able to, like, because, you know, people want to think, like, oh, we die and it's so beautiful and angels bring, like, that ain't real, you know, for most people.
• 49:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's just not how it is.
• 49:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think sometimes it can be, and there's so many variables of like, what's going to happen?
• 49:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: but it's just not usually the case and so what I would see like the same themes of like confusion and getting lost and also in addition to all this when many years before when I was having like a lot of
• 50:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: big awakening moments that were not so nice.
• 50:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I had a lot of stuck souls come in, a lot of like earthbound souls that died in a terrible way and didn't know how to leave.
• 50:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I at first, it was really scary for me.
• 50:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Kind of like, you know, in the movie the sixth sense when he's like terrified of all these ghosts and then he's like, oh, I just need to help them.
• 50:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's a very, very, very oversimplified version, kind of for just some kind of reference point of what happened to me.
• 50:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it started realizing like, I mean, it happened to me all the time, just like wayward spirits or stuck spirits would come to me.
• 50:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I basically was a psychopath, which is like helping people who are dead, make it to the other side.
• 50:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then when my own grandma passed away a couple of years ago, when she was dying, so she had been not well for quite a while.
• 50:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And my mom was like, can you help her?
• 51:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, I'm very big on permission.
• 51:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't just heal someone if they don't come to me and ask me, like, that's not my business.
• 51:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, she's just not able to even communicate.
• 51:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't know if she wants and my mom was like, you know, just go in there and see what you can do because you had stopped eating.
• 51:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: She had stopped drinking water, you know, like it was clear that she was ready.
• 51:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I went in to see her and just sat with her and I just asked her, her higher self, her soul.
• 51:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I was like, do you want me to help you?
• 51:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because I'm here to do that if you do.
• 51:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And she was like, yes.
• 51:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I went in.
• 51:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I saw just pure fear and chaos.
• 51:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And like, if you ever thought about dying or ever were faced with that, why wouldn't you have fear and chaos?
• 51:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's a scary thing.
• 51:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like nobody really knows what's going to happen, right?
• 52:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I just, I just, I just,
• 52:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Similarly to the way that I do healing in the way that I, you know, started to do healing, it was very intuitive.
• 52:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just knew what to do.
• 52:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just knew exactly what to do, and I just did it.
• 52:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I just kept doing it until literally she was, she was in the, like, pure, back to pure source.
• 52:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, I, I, I blessed her and I loved and she died a couple hours later.
• 52:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so basically, so that was a few years ago and since then I've known that I need to offer this, but I've been like, I don't know how to present that to the world, you know, but so yeah, so like this is the first time I'm talking about it, but I've created this
• 52:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: sort of branch of what I do and it's called Surala Sankta.
• 52:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Surala means sister and it's a nod to Surala Morte, sister death in Italian who I work with very deeply for this work and Sankta which is holy.
• 53:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so you can find it on Instagram.
• 53:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's new.
• 53:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even have a picture up yet, like a literally.
• 53:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: But so yeah, so it's really supporting people while they're dying because everybody dies, as you said, and we really need to have that support.
• 53:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And in my experience,
• 53:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody knows how to support anyone in that way, right?
• 53:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's a kind of a feeling we all have when people we love die is like I don't know what to do and so I really want that for people to be to for them and also for their families, you know, and it's not only helping them, but it's helping their families while they're dying and after they're dying and making sure that their passage is safe and doing whatever I need to do and I'm not gonna tell them
• 53:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, a lot of times you have to do some not nice stuff in that process.
• 53:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: But that's my job and that shouldn't be a grieving family's job.
• 53:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: So to do that and then to also be there for the family and let them know when they're safe and when everything's okay and not just from like a throw away like everything's fine.
• 54:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: But from like, hey, I know she's okay, you know.
• 54:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so
• 54:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Also, I had a friend who was worked in palliative care, people that were dying in hospitals, and she told me that they would fill up gloves, latex gloves with water, and then put them on the hand of people who were dying, so that they could feel like someone was there.
• 54:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that is one of the saddest things I ever heard.
• 54:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that that is just fucked up.
• 54:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that we should have people with us when we're dying.
• 54:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that we should have that care and someone who really cares about us and loves us while we're dying.
• 54:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so while most of this work is probably going to be remote, I will also do what I can to like be there with someone if that's what they need because I've literally been there and no one was there for me.
• 55:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I know what that's like and you think everybody thinks like at the end of my life I'm gonna be surrounded and I hope that's true for everyone I hope that's true for everyone but sometimes it's not So that's kind of how it started for me and like I mean I listen when I'm told what to do and it's just gotten louder and louder and louder like you need to offer this work and so so I'm offering it
• 55:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you can see I take it very seriously.
• 55:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm very passionate about it.
• 55:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: the energy that we're sharing right now is very powerful and yeah I might need a moment but because yeah it's you know my grandmother but also my uncle Paul's partner my uncle Scott passed away and my cousin's son's best friend passed away all in a short span of time this year and it's funny on the podcast
• 56:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: last year we talked to a man named the bibu dev misra from india and he talked to us about how he's done all this research looking into the way the world cycles move and comparing different ancient cultures, calendars and
• 56:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: He basically, and this is, at this point in the spiritual community, a little bit of a trope when you hear somebody telling the world's gonna end, you know?
• 56:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: But what's ironic is that his research sounded really smart, and what he said was that around March, twenty, twenty, five, we would officially leave the Callieuga and enter like this transitional stage to the next Yuga phase.
• 56:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: mm-hmm
• 56:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, for me in my personal world, three people dying, you know, two of them I wasn't as close to as my grandmother, but still, you know, the three, three people in my personal sphere of connections passed away in this like three months span after March, twenty, twenty, five.
• 57:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: And so talking to you is healing and helping me work through some of these deeper emotions.
• 57:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I appreciate, I think it's, yeah, all.
• 57:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: All in good timing.
• 57:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm sorry to hear that.
• 57:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's really it's really it's really difficult the first time anyone died in my life.
• 57:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was in my freshman year of college and it like I mean it tore me apart and he was really young kid and I was like what like how is this
• 57:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: How was this okay?
• 57:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I saw what happened to his family after that.
• 57:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, losing a child, you know, I just think, I think it's, it's not easy.
• 58:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think,
• 58:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're also hungry for information, which I think is great and I'm not way too, but to have something that really humbles us all.
• 58:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: You see people's lives absolutely transform after they have NDE's.
• 58:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: because of that and you know this is none of us are gonna are gonna get out alive and and we've had quite quite a lot of people have been have been dying recently have been choosing to leave and I think that there's a you know I do believe that everything is divine and I think a lot of people know what they're doing more than we more than we want to want to think
• 58:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a lot of ego that goes into, like, why didn't want to die, you know, which is natural, which is a normal part of the human process.
• 58:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I do think that people know what they're doing.
• 58:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, like I said, sometimes I'll work with someone and I'll know, like, okay.
• 59:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to be here anymore.
• 59:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: And like I said, I'll do everything I can to pull them out of that if appropriate.
• 59:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: But some people know that they want to leave.
• 59:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so we have to respect everyone's greater intelligence and respect their movements and their movements of life and their movements of death.
• 59:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I know that for myself, I've had to decide many times, like do I want to live or not?
• 59:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's
• 59:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a very interesting thing, but it's also something like a set that we all have that moment, sometimes we dive by surprise.
• 59:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think all have those, we all have the reckoning.
• 59:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: No way to escape it.
• 59:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 59:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's so interesting.
• 59:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: It kind of brings to mind the question, maybe just general thought that you can come in on, but our near-death experiences limited to the person who's dying, like, can someone have a near-death experience because they know someone who's dying or almost died, you know?
• 1:00:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, because I do feel very strongly
• 1:00:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: resonating with what you just said about you know it changes people you know obviously I was very close to my grandmother I grew up like a block away from where she lives I was always helping her out doing doing stuff with her and
• 1:00:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, if somebody had a grandmother in different country or even a different state, it might be a different feeling, but still, you know, it has changed me significantly just in two months.
• 1:00:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, my whole life feels like it flipped upside down.
• 1:00:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think you answered the question, you know, it did change you and so absolutely.
• 1:01:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think we're so intrinsically connected and I don't think that anything like if you cut a leaf in half and then you
• 1:01:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: put that leaf under one of those machines.
• 1:01:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to remember what the machine is called.
• 1:01:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: The second part of the leaf is still there.
• 1:01:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, this is quantum entanglement.
• 1:01:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I believe that we're, and it's not just my belief, it's just fact that we're so deeply interwoven and entangled.
• 1:01:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we also see this evidence every day in the constellation work, which is part of the healing work that I do with people.
• 1:01:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so it absolutely affects everyone.
• 1:01:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: It affects our whole family field.
• 1:01:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Something beautiful that I, that I like to remember, which my teacher told me is that when we die, there is,
• 1:01:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: When we come into this life, there's a celebration for everyone who's here on earth and there's a sort of sadness, like a funeral for everyone who was on the other side.
• 1:02:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then when we pass and we leave this earth, there's the funeral for all of the sadness here, but there's a huge celebration when we make it to the other side.
• 1:02:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's just two sides of the coin, but so I hope that that gives you some peace because I really believe that that's true.
• 1:02:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: with your grandmother, and that's what I've seen whenever I've done, whenever I've worked with people who are dying and dead, but at the same time, absolutely, of course, it affects all of us.
• 1:02:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to provide pain and gritty and also deeper openings for you and everyone else who was close to anyone who's died, you know,
• 1:02:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: We can also be affected by someone who we don't even know who who's died when we read their story and it touches our heart.
• 1:02:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like we can just be sitting in our living room watching a movie and cry and grief because we're all we're we're human and we're also so interconnected and everything is nothing happens in a vacuum.
• 1:03:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Everything's influencing each other and so yeah, absolutely.
• 1:03:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, thank you for the insight because yeah, I think it is confusing and scary for people and to have the sort of reassurance that there is more beyond and it's not just the end, you know, I've always had faith in that and, you know, even through my mimei dying and my papay seven years ago, her husband, my grandfather,
• 1:03:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've had that sort of ongoing reassurance that there is a place that they're currently in and probably now together.
• 1:03:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah.
• 1:03:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
• 1:03:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
• 1:03:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: As you and your family were grieving, they were being reunited, and that's quite beautiful.
• 1:03:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, and it sort of felt that way, you know, in the weeks leading up to her passing and
• 1:04:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, one thing that comes to mind is how with the alternative, allopathic nonsense medicine, we often drug people up in this state, right?
• 1:04:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:04:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm curious, you know, your thoughts on that, because that was a part of, unfortunately, my ma's dying process, she was on morphine and the, you know, nurses that come to take care of her, they recommended it for whatever reason, but
• 1:04:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: In one of the days where I was sitting by her side, she had been, you know, on morphine periodically throughout the day, but there were these periods of like lucidity where she would talk to me about the things she was seeing around the room and, you know, deceased relatives, past memories, you know, really interesting stuff came through.
• 1:05:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, it's hard to know how much of that was
• 1:05:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: from a drug-addled state of mind or or a true place of, you know, where your, your consciousness is.
• 1:05:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there's really a difference even if, you know, I'm a perpetual pothead.
• 1:05:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: I smoke all the time.
• 1:05:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: So if there's anybody who knows about thinking under Dures, it's me.
• 1:05:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think, you know, when it comes to morphine, like that's such a scary, like opioids I'd never, ever do opioids in my entire life.
• 1:05:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I never have, never will.
• 1:05:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I just, unless, I mean, that state, of course, I mean, you don't have a choice that seems, if you're in that, you know, world, right?
• 1:05:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like me personally, I hope I can get to a place where, you know, when I'm dying, I have a family who knows not to put me on any of that stuff, right?
• 1:05:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, nobody had that conversation, at least that I was aware of.
• 1:05:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: with my MMA to see if she was cool with it.
• 1:05:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, back to my sort of question or my thought around this is like, what is your sense about your drugs in the dying process?
• 1:06:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm not sure.
• 1:06:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:06:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think it's really such a personal choice.
• 1:06:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think so, like in yoga tradition, you're not supposed to take anything while you're dying.
• 1:06:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: You want to be in your purest state to basically meet God.
• 1:06:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: but that's not most people's life right most people aren't yogis most people aren't living in this state of trying to be as pure as possible in the body and the mind so it really depends on the person and like it really is their choice which I believe everyone should have the free choice to choose how they're gonna die you know like I would never impose my own views on that I know for myself I absolutely want to die like completely
• 1:06:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: completely sober as clear as I possibly can but I have a very unique path and I think I don't think that we should have any right to ask anyone to die in pain, you know, if they're if they're in pain and they when they want to you know take something like I think that they absolutely should I would never say they say that they shouldn't that would not be my place.
• 1:07:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's really a personal choice and in terms of like seeing things I think people are absolutely seeing things like maybe the drugs help a little bit but I don't think any of that's made up at all and the doctors will always say it is but I think they're wrong.
• 1:07:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
• 1:07:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that absolutely people are seeing, I mean, because it doesn't happen once or twice.
• 1:07:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: It happens like in every hospital over the world, right?
• 1:07:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: People are seeing the veil is thinning because they're, they're, they're going out, you know?
• 1:07:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so everybody else is coming in to greet them.
• 1:07:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: a lot of times and so I think absolutely the whatever your grandmother saw was true and I don't think I think if anything the morphine just helped that help to her be able to see that without pain and with clarity.
• 1:08:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's what I think and yeah I think it's everyone's choice to choose that and I think it's also like you know it's just like mothers giving birth which by the way is
• 1:08:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Two sides in the same door, right?
• 1:08:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like wanting to have a natural birth.
• 1:08:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's every mother's choice and no one except for that mother has any right to say whether they should or not.
• 1:08:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, like, I would never say.
• 1:08:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, I think also, like, some others are like, you know, I plan not to.
• 1:08:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then they're like, well, I don't know if I can handle this pain.
• 1:08:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I can't have the baby if I'm passed out.
• 1:08:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's gonna need to happen, you know?
• 1:08:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's the same kind of thing.
• 1:08:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's easy for us to say, sitting here in our normal state, like, that no one should have more of you when they die, you know?
• 1:08:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, well, what do you know about it, you know?
• 1:08:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think people should choose and hopefully people are lucid enough to make the choice for themselves.
• 1:08:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if they're not, hopefully they have a plan in place beforehand.
• 1:09:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the doctors in my experience are very liberal with it.
• 1:09:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And do I love that?
• 1:09:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: No.
• 1:09:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it's also, again, not really my place to say.
• 1:09:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, either way, I appreciate you answering these difficult questions because it gives me some comfort and clarity and you have experience with this.
• 1:09:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: So thank you.
• 1:09:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: On a different note, I'm curious because in this world we live in people always want to compartmentalize and put things in a box.
• 1:09:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: So if someone were to ask you like, are you a yogi?
• 1:09:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Are you a shaman?
• 1:09:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, how do you begin to explain to someone your practice?
• 1:09:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because you mentioned earlier, you're connecting with ancient wisdom.
• 1:09:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can out through our conversation that you're an extremely intuitive person.
• 1:09:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: So my sense is that this isn't something you read in a book and you already told us you've never had a mentor.
• 1:10:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: So how do you explain to somebody?
• 1:10:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm sure that comes up all the time.
• 1:10:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I kind of like word it like how does it my bio but it is hard to explain because I have practices in and a lot of different languages and then also like I'm I'm certified in a lot of things and I'm practicing a lot of things but then also like
• 1:10:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Literally I've had the downloads of information and memories just come into my body of when I was a certain type of practitioner in another life.
• 1:10:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I have I have a really big tool belt because of that.
• 1:10:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so like I wouldn't call myself a shaman just because that's a very specific from a culture that I am not part of.
• 1:10:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I wouldn't want to like appropriate that term at all.
• 1:10:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yes, I am a yogi.
• 1:10:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I am certified Kundalini yoga teacher.
• 1:10:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: very deep in that lineage from other lifetimes, as well as, you know, getting certified in this life.
• 1:11:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was similarly to, like, your story about sitting in the lotus pose.
• 1:11:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, for me, it was like, when I started doing Kundalini yoga, like, I knew the creas.
• 1:11:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I knew them.
• 1:11:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't know how I knew them.
• 1:11:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then later when I was doing my teacher training, I was like, oh, that's in that book.
• 1:11:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is what I channeled, you know?
• 1:11:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, like, it was coming through me.
• 1:11:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's happened to me in a lot of different lineage.
• 1:11:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm also like,
• 1:11:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not a priest, but my bloodline is Catholic, and once I started spiritual awakening, I started getting, I mean, my best friends are the Catholic saints, honestly.
• 1:11:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: More than human beings, I spent time with them, and so I'm not a priest, and like, technically, according to the dogmatic ethos, isn't like, I shouldn't be allowed to be a healer because I'm not a priest.
• 1:11:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: But guess what, I am, you know, and all these saints that they're now venerating and worshiping, they were just as rebellious as me and and everyone tried to silence them and hated them while they were alive and now that they're dead, it's a whole other thing.
• 1:12:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: But so yeah, I mean, it's it's hard to say because
• 1:12:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that the label is really required, but you know, I've had healing sessions with people where afterwards they've been like, you're a shaman.
• 1:12:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was a shamanic ceremony.
• 1:12:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, okay, you know, that was your experience.
• 1:12:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, I wouldn't appropriate that that terms specifically, but yeah, it's not it's not one thing that I'm doing like I sat with a client once and the spirit of I wasca came in to do the healing.
• 1:12:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've never sat with I wasca.
• 1:12:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I later asked her if she had no, but that's who came for her healing, you know, was literally grandmother I wasca.
• 1:12:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for that.
• 1:12:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was such a beautiful session.
• 1:12:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that, I mean, it's hard for me to say, you know, I just call myself a spiritual healer and a mystic mentor because that's what I do and that encompasses everything.
• 1:12:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so when I'm sitting with you, I'm not attached to any kind of modality or any kind of title for myself.
• 1:13:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sitting with, I'm reading your field what do you need and I'm pulling from that because my ego's not anywhere in the session.
• 1:13:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: If it was, I wouldn't be able to do what I do.
• 1:13:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm pulling what you need.
• 1:13:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm reading the book inside of you and that's what we're working with.
• 1:13:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I've sat with someone we're being from their lineage came through.
• 1:13:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even know this being and it's coming through to do the work, you know?
• 1:13:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's you and what you're bringing in your living map inside of you and then me and my dedication and ongoing practice that allows me to sit in this space where I can let that come through.
• 1:13:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's really like a marriage.
• 1:13:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's boundaryless and I do appreciate the way you tread describing that because, yeah, people want to see things in this occupational fashion and that's just not how spirituality works.
• 1:13:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: To ask you that question, I get a whole
• 1:13:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: piece of the puzzle to you mention your Catholic lineage and I'm also Catholic but I'm curious through your yogic practices and through that yogic understanding like these saints were no different than yogis right I mean like this is kind of like the
• 1:14:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: that people like we mentioned it a few times on the show depending on the topic but one that comes to mind is Padre Pio and some of the things that Padre Pio did it's like it might as well be like a Buddhist story about a yogi like it's it's incredible this stuff this guy did.
• 1:14:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're dead right first of all I love Padre Pio and you know who introduced me to Padre Pio was Joelle Adifon who I talked about earlier.
• 1:14:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Joel was the first black baby born in Padre Pio's hospital in Italy.
• 1:14:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
• 1:14:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so Joel actually connected me with Padre Pio and Padre Pio.
• 1:14:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have sat for hours at his body.
• 1:15:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: His incorruptible.
• 1:15:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: His body did not decompose.
• 1:15:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you can go and be with his body in San Giovana, Rotando in Italy.
• 1:15:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I have done that twice I've gone.
• 1:15:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I sit and meditate with him.
• 1:15:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: That man
• 1:15:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, what you're saying is absolutely one hundred percent true.
• 1:15:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, they're, I've seen, they're all hanging out together, okay?
• 1:15:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's us and it's the dogmatic, it's the dogmatic systems of the church who are saying, this is separate, this is wrong.
• 1:15:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you believe this is your bad, you know, that there's, in every lineage, there's the path of the dogma and there's the path of the mystic.
• 1:15:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I am a mystic.
• 1:15:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do not care about the path of dogma.
• 1:15:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: The path of dogma gives you a one-way relationship with God.
• 1:15:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, the path of dogma gives you, like, I will do these prayers and pay this money and then I will go to heaven.
• 1:15:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't need to think about anything else.
• 1:15:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: For me, that ain't gonna cut it.
• 1:15:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want a one-way relationship with God.
• 1:15:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want a one-way relationship with anyone.
• 1:16:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I want a two-way relationship.
• 1:16:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I want an answer to my prayer that I can tangibly see in reality.
• 1:16:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: That is the path of the mystic, okay?
• 1:16:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I absolutely believe that they're all hanging out.
• 1:16:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen them all hanging out together.
• 1:16:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're all on the same team.
• 1:16:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're down here saying, like, no, this is bad and wrong if you believe this.
• 1:16:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's fucking bullshit, man.
• 1:16:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not wrong.
• 1:16:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: They all taught the same thing.
• 1:16:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: They just use different words because there's billions of us and we need different words that are going to open us and awaken us.
• 1:16:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm not everyone's teacher, right?
• 1:16:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Some people, they're just not going to get what I'm saying at all.
• 1:16:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's fine.
• 1:16:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not the only teacher, you know?
• 1:16:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: But just the same thing with all of them.
• 1:16:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And put your PO by the way.
• 1:16:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Was it complete badass?
• 1:16:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Is still a complete badass?
• 1:16:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm very close with Patrick Peo because he went through a lot of the same shit that I've been through on my path, which is literally fighting demons.
• 1:16:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: and he you can go and visit his room in the monastery where he lived and there's there's holes in the walls and stuff because he would be locked in with no one but himself and he'd be like thrown around the room physically by demonic forces and that is what happens when you're that powerful and you have a message spread and I've been through that shit too not in the same way but in my own way for my own journey
• 1:17:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I would love him so much and resonate with him so much because he taught me a lot and helped me a lot through that.
• 1:17:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I love Padre Pio.
• 1:17:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's right over here on my altar.
• 1:17:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm glad that you brought him up.
• 1:17:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, it's all one path.
• 1:17:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: It all leads to the same place.
• 1:17:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just what resonates with you.
• 1:17:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: And something that my teacher taught me, so when, so my, I grew up with no religion, like I wasn't, you know, no one ever told about God, I never went to church, nothing like that.
• 1:17:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I, on my own path, like, so I grew up in San Diego, so I started going to the Self-Realization Fellowship.
• 1:17:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was a big, you know, devotee of Yogananda, who was amazing, who, by the way, loved Jesus, right, and the saints, and worked a lot with San Francisco, Saint Francis, and so do I.
• 1:18:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I went down this yoga path and you know, was very, very, I mean, my name is, is Sanskrit.
• 1:18:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so then when I met my teacher, he taught me, which I think is very valuable to anyone listening who's on this path, that are own incarnating fields.
• 1:18:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: provides us our biggest opening.
• 1:18:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: So for me, even though I wasn't raised Catholic, my bloodline is Catholic, I have a Catholic lineage.
• 1:18:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's my incarnating field.
• 1:18:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's when I started going to Italy and sitting with Saints and working with them and he was right, I mean it.
• 1:18:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: like really opened me and then once you go into your incarnating field that way then you can go into all the other fields as well with permission and with you know humility because it's all it's all you know it's all leading to the same place
• 1:19:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I believe that all every path, I don't think any path is wrong or bad.
• 1:19:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's just what resonates with us.
• 1:19:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's all, it's all leading you home.
• 1:19:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's all walking you home.
• 1:19:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just, which pathway do you want to take?
• 1:19:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which pathway calls to your heart, you know?
• 1:19:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: But so for anyone who feels kind of like stuck on their journey, first of all, like, come see me for a session, but also, you know, go into your incarnating field.
• 1:19:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if you have trauma from the religious aspect, which I totally get, you know, that's something you're going to have to work through, come see me for that too.
• 1:19:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think, you know, yeah, definitely going into your incarnate field is going to provide big openings.
• 1:19:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: It did for me.
• 1:19:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: the path of dog movers is the path of the mystic i love the way you put that and i think that is so true no matter where you incarnate what culture you know what you need characteristics you bring
• 1:19:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: there's that trap of getting fixed into the dogma and then there's the freedom of following the the mystic and yeah I'm so with that as as far as what I am hoping for and and aiming for it's not to get done the path of dogmas because with the podcast that is easy to do you know you could very easily just become some dogmatic
• 1:20:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Piedcaster, but I want to ask you because Padre Pio, that was not random that I used, you know, mentioned him out of- I know, that's so crazy that blew me away.
• 1:20:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well tell me about these battles because I feel like that's something that I have interacted with myself and I need some clarity on like when people think of like battling a demon they might think of like some Hollywood image of like actually something and with some of these stories about Padre Pio it does really I mean doesn't it's not that far off but personally you know I don't know
• 1:21:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: If I'm anywhere close to that, but I have had weird things happen in my life that feel like they're trying to turn me away from what I'm doing now.
• 1:21:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I think everybody gets challenged like that when they're resonating at a high enough vibration, right?
• 1:21:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: So tell us some of these battles you've had.
• 1:21:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh.
• 1:21:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we'd be here for hours.
• 1:21:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've been through it a lot because, you know, my path is very deep.
• 1:21:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not just like, oh, come see me for an energy healing.
• 1:21:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's not what I'm doing.
• 1:21:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, because of that, yeah, I've had, I've had a shit ton of spiritual bottles and it's been really, really difficult for me.
• 1:21:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I will not lie about that.
• 1:21:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I would never say it's easy for anyone.
• 1:21:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think like, you know, a lot of the times I almost died was because of that, was because there were powers that wanted me to.
• 1:21:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I had to decide, I'm not dying, you know, not today, like, you know, and that's been a choice every time for me.
• 1:22:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that there's a lot of in the whole pop spirituality, love and light, kind of, which can be very toxic, environment.
• 1:22:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of,
• 1:22:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, nothing can reach me if I'm in this vibration and nothing bad can happen to me and I've protected it and it's like, that's bullshit.
• 1:22:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm sorry.
• 1:22:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: It just is like there are a lot of forces and powers who might try to harm you and so it's absolutely true.
• 1:22:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: and I think like it's hard to speak to it as a whole and just give like a tip because it's very nuanced you know like there are I've dealt with ancestors who wanted to take me out I've dealt with you know different entities who wanted to take me out different beings
• 1:22:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's very nuanced and so I would say if you're going through something like that, you need to see someone.
• 1:22:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you think you're going through something like that, you need to see someone because it's important.
• 1:22:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there are ways of protecting yourself that are important to learn.
• 1:23:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so if you're working with any kind of teacher or healer who's telling you you don't need to protect yourself, don't see them anymore.
• 1:23:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because if you're opening yourself at all, if you're in meditation, stuff,
• 1:23:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: stuff might might happen, you know, it might not, but especially in this day and age, I would say it's more prominent now than it ever has been.
• 1:23:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because the polarity is so much stronger, there's so much more, there's so much more spiritual battle and warfare.
• 1:23:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And like it's not fun to talk about, but it's really not something that you can ignore if you feel that you're being influenced by it.
• 1:23:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you need to see someone good.
• 1:23:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: who can tell you like, yes, you are or no, it's just your own element tools of your own thought forms, you know, because sometimes it's that too.
• 1:23:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying by any means that everybody's dealing with this, but I'm saying that it absolutely does happen and it's very naive and unhelpful to say that it's just not possible.
• 1:23:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: So for me, like, I mean, man, like,
• 1:24:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've been through it for sure, and I really, and Joelle helped me a lot with that, and Joelle helped send me to other people who could check for me and see what was it really, because I had a lot of gas lighting from teachers and people who would be like,
• 1:24:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: just raise your vibration you know like and and but I knew and that's a get that's something like one of the biggest things that I teach everyone who comes with me for more than one session but I also do like mentorship which is ongoing and also group containers and in those containers I always teach
• 1:24:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: discernment and how to connect your intuition because it is more important than ever that we can follow our inner compass and hear it and know what's true and what's not.
• 1:24:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we don't know what the heck to believe who's telling us the truth whatever and that is only escalating at this time on earth.
• 1:24:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, we're seeing, we don't even know half the things we see are real, right?
• 1:25:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: The technology they've got now.
• 1:25:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean,
• 1:25:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: It boggles my mind every day that so many people like every ad I see is made with AI.
• 1:25:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not even real people, you know.
• 1:25:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it boggles me all the time that people are so naive to what's going on.
• 1:25:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: But so you need to know what's real and what's not real.
• 1:25:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so this is about three D life and also spiritual life.
• 1:25:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so teaching that is really, I'm really passionate about it because we need to know.
• 1:25:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: We need to know.
• 1:25:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so again, if you're seeing anyone who's you're going to and they're telling you like everything's fine, you know, but you don't feel that that's true.
• 1:25:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Come see me or see someone else who can, you can really help you with that.
• 1:25:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's really important.
• 1:25:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: And for me, like, I mean, I suffered for decades.
• 1:25:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: because everyone I saw, well first it was doctors, right?
• 1:25:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they couldn't fix me, they didn't know it was wrong.
• 1:25:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Everything was like, oh well, you're just gonna die.
• 1:25:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then once your medicine completely failed me, that's when I started seeing healers and pursuing this path.
• 1:26:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then still, I saw so many people that were like, oh, you know, you're fine and it's just, you need to raise your vibration, you need to change your thoughts, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:26:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: That didn't help me at all.
• 1:26:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: That just totally gaslit me.
• 1:26:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then I blame myself, right?
• 1:26:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, well, I guess it's my fault.
• 1:26:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't my fault.
• 1:26:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if you're listening to this, it's not your fault either.
• 1:26:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, yes, we have a responsibility to manage our thoughts, manage our emotions, do our internal work, absolutely.
• 1:26:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: But if you're doing that and you're still experiencing something that you think might be interference, maybe it is.
• 1:26:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so again, it's hard to speak to a whole collective about it.
• 1:26:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's really going to be an individual thing of what's going on for each person.
• 1:26:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, man, I've dealt with more than my fair share, like literally more than probably most people have.
• 1:26:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I have a different path than most people.
• 1:26:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I've dealt with it.
• 1:27:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Padre Pio dealt with it too.
• 1:27:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of Saints did.
• 1:27:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: would it be too much?
• 1:27:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Look at Jesus, they literally killed him, you know?
• 1:27:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely.
• 1:27:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Would it be too much to ask for an example?
• 1:27:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want you to have to share something too personal, but you mentioned like an ancestor interfering with you.
• 1:27:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: What was that like?
• 1:27:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that can happen a lot.
• 1:27:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: In my case, and I don't want to talk too much about details of it, but in my case, there was an ancestor who was a sorcerer.
• 1:27:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he was before me the most powerful person in my bloodline.
• 1:27:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then I was born.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I became, you know, I'm, I mean, I'm, I don't want to say here and say I'm powerful, but like, listen, this is what I do.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, this is who I am.
• 1:27:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it is what it is.
• 1:27:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so he didn't like that.
• 1:27:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he wanted to kill me and consume me and take all my power.
• 1:28:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I worked for most of my life to overcome that.
• 1:28:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it was extremely difficult and it almost killed me many times.
• 1:28:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And most people don't have a situation like that.
• 1:28:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I do see ancestral ancestors interfering a lot of times.
• 1:28:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes it's not nefarious.
• 1:28:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it's like we are so attached to an ancestor and then they die and then we feel so guilty that we also want to die and that can literally kill us.
• 1:28:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: So there are and and we have to and I will sit with someone and do the work to to put that correct and to put the boundary there and be like you will see them one year time is right and it's not now and so we have to we have to put that in but so there's there's so many different different types of things but ancestors
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  [SPEAKER_01]: play a huge role in our life and it's not always in a good way.
• 1:29:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you'll see people sitting there like, let's call in the ancestors and I'm like, don't you fucking call in all the ancestors?
• 1:29:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: You don't know what they're doing.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You don't know who they are.
• 1:29:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just because they're dead doesn't mean that they're like an angel, you know?
• 1:29:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's not good, you know?
• 1:29:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so doing ancestral work is really, really important.
• 1:29:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a big part of what I end up doing with people a lot of times.
• 1:29:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's good to make that distinction because like our previous point about death being confusing, there is this rosy glasses vision of ancestors often times that they're always on our side and to your point like, no, they were living beings with their own issues and imperfections too, which kind of brings me to this next question you mentioned like,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You've had past lives and I'm someone who has no doubts about that.
• 1:30:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I am fully on board with you there.
• 1:30:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm curious about the dynamics because it seems like there's a distinction not everybody continues to reincarnate.
• 1:30:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe certain people get trapped up in one life where they haven't done the spiritual work and now they're on this other plane of existence.
• 1:30:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like help me understand the dynamics there.
• 1:30:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's so nuanced.
• 1:30:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: There are literally infinite dimensions and infinite timelines.
• 1:30:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we're down here experiencing three duality.
• 1:30:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're experiencing time.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever time it is for me, where I am, whatever time it is for you, where you are.
• 1:30:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is the world that we're living in.
• 1:30:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: The work that I do in the spiritual healing field is outside of those limitations.
• 1:30:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we're not in time and space when we're working.
• 1:31:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And when we're outside of time and space, we're also, there's not like, oh, this is my past life.
• 1:31:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is my future.
• 1:31:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like it's all here.
• 1:31:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's all in the, the ever present now.
• 1:31:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: we can affect, like I've done work before that I know affected the past, affected me when I was a kid.
• 1:31:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because when you're really deep in it, like this is the, this is one of the differences between, I don't, I apparently am gonna go off on a tangent here, but I'll try to come back around to the question.
• 1:31:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: But this is one of the differences between, like, for example therapy, like, let's say you come to me and I'm a therapist, we're talking.
• 1:31:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: This can be super helpful for you, super therapeutic, like you're getting your thoughts out, your emotions, whatever.
• 1:31:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: The work that I do is like we're literally changing reality.
• 1:31:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're putting you on a new timeline to where when you walk out of my office or close the Zoom, you're in on a different timeline.
• 1:32:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: So this is like the difference between these types of works.
• 1:32:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why I need to say that, but I guess someone needs to hear it.
• 1:32:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: So
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They're all happening simultaneously, right?
• 1:32:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: So when I say, like, my past life, like, maybe, yeah, now we're talking here that was in the past, but they're all happening continuously.
• 1:32:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, and now to go to, like, so this is again, like, why I can't say, like, oh, you need to do this, you need to live, you need to die, whatever, because I don't know everyone's path or everyone's journey, and we all have different
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  [SPEAKER_01]: purposes for our incarnation.
• 1:32:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, some, like, let's say when the whole, you know, pandemic happened and there were a lot of people who, like, awakened to things to be a different way than they thought they were before and got really angry at everybody else who wasn't.
• 1:32:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, I had a lot of people come to me and be like, well, hey, isn't everybody waking up?
• 1:33:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Why doesn't everybody, like, see this reality?
• 1:33:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: What you need to understand is you don't know everybody's path.
• 1:33:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe these people who don't want to see this reality didn't come to see this reality.
• 1:33:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they came to have a rest life.
• 1:33:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they had a really, really difficult life last time, and now they're here to just skate on by.
• 1:33:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if you're like, why is my life so hard in this person's life so easy, there's no possible way that you could compare because it's so much more than what meets the eye.
• 1:33:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we all have a different purpose for our specific incarnations.
• 1:33:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then, yeah, sometimes we're like, fuck that place, I want to go to, you know, like, Zion three or whatever, and we don't come back to Earth.
• 1:33:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, and sometimes, like, not usually, but a lot of times, these are people's, like, first incarnation on Earth, or second or third, like, very young, Earth, so Earth.
• 1:33:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know, experience.
• 1:33:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's so many different possibilities.
• 1:34:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then you've got, like, of course, the old souls who've been around, or a lot.
• 1:34:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then you've got all the people who incarnated now who obviously came for this wild ride shit show, you know, awakening, whatever you want to call it, you could see them in any lens really.
• 1:34:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: But so we all have a different role to play, right?
• 1:34:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: If there was only one role, then
• 1:34:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'd all be doing it, but there's not.
• 1:34:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, I really think we have to live and let live in a lot of senses.
• 1:34:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, we don't know everybody's pad.
• 1:34:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they're in a rest life.
• 1:34:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe they're in a really hard life.
• 1:34:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they came to, they took like all their karma in one life, like an idiot, and I'm saying that because I've done that.
• 1:34:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, but I will say that for all the people that are like, I don't want to be on earth, and I never chose to be here.
• 1:34:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you did, and yeah, you did.
• 1:34:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like you absolutely chose to be here and whether you like it or not, it's a huge gift.
• 1:35:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because you can do more in one lifetime on earth than you can do in another lifetime anywhere else.
• 1:35:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can have more soul growth, which is the whole point of all of this than anywhere else.
• 1:35:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's really hard.
• 1:35:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so you're like in the Olympics here.
• 1:35:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're in the advanced.
• 1:35:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: So just keep going because you're you're doing it and it doesn't have to be perfect.
• 1:35:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: So beautiful.
• 1:35:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: So well said and inspiring and
• 1:35:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: I hope that brings hope to people who might not have had such clarity previously to listen to him is because I feel like I just took a nice refreshing dip in a clear, clear lake or something.
• 1:35:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, wow.
• 1:35:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: I, yeah, I don't want to take you up all your time because I know you are several hours ahead of me in Europe.
• 1:36:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: So let's sort of wind down.
• 1:36:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: You've talked a bit about what you offer for people, but would you like to give them like a kind of comprehensive summary that way people can reach out to you and
• 1:36:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: and take the next steps, because I have a feeling this conversation's gonna inspire a lot of people in my audience, especially, because I don't think you know that the ever-expanding now is like the big phrase on my show, and you just use really?
• 1:36:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're like, it's all happening in the ever-expanding now, and I'm like, oh my gosh, you must, like, listen, or no, you just know this stuff.
• 1:36:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: So, yes, perfect.
• 1:36:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you, one hundred percent, and it's not about
• 1:36:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: you know, being anywhere else but here it's a gift, you know, we need to take advantage of that and sink into it, you know, so give them all some options for their next steps.
• 1:36:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, thank you.
• 1:36:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I work with people one-on-one so you can always come see me for a healing session and it doesn't have to be because you're sick.
• 1:37:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: People come to me for everything, career, money, relationships, lack of relationships.
• 1:37:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, anything business, anything that's going on in your life that you need movement on, come see me, we'll do the work.
• 1:37:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: So those are one-on-one sessions and then I have something called Sacred Light Temple.
• 1:37:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: which is my mentorship so during that container we meet once a week or every other week for three months or six months and we go through like every area in your life and then I also develop you spiritually so wherever you're at right now I really set you up to open safely and this goes back to what we talked about with you know being messed with and everything like that I'm really really big on making sure that that doesn't happen so I teach really like
• 1:37:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is the way I teach.
• 1:37:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: So this is my container for mentorship.
• 1:37:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then I also do group containers.
• 1:37:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the next one is coming up in the end of September.
• 1:38:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to start.
• 1:38:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's called vessel.
• 1:38:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: This specific one is for women only.
• 1:38:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's channeled mostly by Mary Magdalene.
• 1:38:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes they're for men and women though, but this specific one is only for women.
• 1:38:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I work with men as well.
• 1:38:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then the death work is not up on my website yet, but you can just email me or Instagram message me if you're interested in learning more about that.
• 1:38:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I have it.
• 1:38:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I keep it really low tech.
• 1:38:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've got like a Google page for my website, but just email me if you want to be on my on my email list.
• 1:38:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: and I send like one email a month and it's just me writing it there's no like team or anything I don't do it like funnels or whatever it's very low it's very low tech but yeah I mean whatever's going on in your life like I'd be really happy to support you I I love doing this and it's it's really my pleasure and I just feel called to say that like if anyone who is listening or watching just feels hopeless like just
• 1:38:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: don't feel hopeless because there's hope and you don't know it's coming tomorrow, you know?
• 1:39:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've really been there in that position a lot of times and there was always a way.
• 1:39:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: There was always a way out.
• 1:39:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just had to open my mind to find it and this is what I'm doing with people when they come to me and it's my absolute pleasure and I'd be happy to see you.
• 1:39:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: wonderful.
• 1:39:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for sharing this time with me and sharing your journey, your message with my audience and I really hope that they connect with you as much as I feel I've connected with you and yeah, I'd love to have you back on for another conversation.
• 1:39:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like there's more to talk about for sure.
• 1:39:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'd love to come on again.
• 1:39:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for having me.
• 1:39:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I could talk about I could go down rabbit holes all day about this stuff.
• 1:39:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'd love to come back and thank you so much for having me.
• 1:39:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And thank you everyone for listening.
• 1:39:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, I'll try to thank you and the audience.
• 1:40:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for tuning in until next episode and brush yourself in the moment or wherever you are in the now.
• 1:40:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, ladies and gentlemen, that was our conversation with Jaya.
• 1:40:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, what an amazing person.
• 1:40:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so grateful to have had her on the show.
• 1:41:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Looking forward to future opportunity to speak with her.
• 1:41:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if you'd like to speak with her, you're in luck.
• 1:41:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can do so book a session.
• 1:41:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Her website is linked in the episode description, as well as a link to contact her.
• 1:41:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you can find her Instagram at Jaya Simrank.
• 1:41:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's been exactly as you see in the episode title.
• 1:41:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right there on Instagram, no space is just all one more GIS and rent cover.
• 1:41:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Big shout out to her, what a lovely conversation.
• 1:41:32
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• 1:41:34
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• 1:41:38
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• 1:41:40
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• 1:41:47
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• 1:41:52
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• 1:41:52
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• 1:41:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: I plan on being there for quite a while this week and it's going to be a lot of fun.
• 1:42:02
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