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Amy Newman Life Circle, Adam Lore Qualia, Proverbs Guy Trinity, Brett Keane Living Universe · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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  If I send and down markers me, that will not a Quick Med,
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  remind liquid. I have sent.
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  What should I do? Want to eat?
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  Or do I preserve a man have to accept me as a mark against it?
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  Is that I'm a Flirt by myself. if I sent in Don Marcos menu, So
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  foolish and ignorant. I was a beast before they count
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  the number of the Beast or the number of a man.
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  Alright, welcome to the stump of the earth broadcast.
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  This is like number 9 show. And I'm going to say it feels it
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  is I'm it's a conspiracy theory. What does you I think it's an
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  absolute delusion but I can see where you're going with the
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  conspiracy, not fart for sure. They meant play One Direction.
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  The ones I I couldn't say exactly where in scripture says
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  are the first man start not believing in God because you
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  said you'll be like that. So sometime after that, if I
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  didn't even One of Adam's of kid maybe came from somebody but it
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  started early. What size you problems.
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  It makes me wonder it's an interesting point but I wonder
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  if it was somewhat closer to the flood because I feel like even
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  at the time of the flood they had already started believing in
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  other gods. But I feel like they still had
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  that understanding and knowledge of the one true God.
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  New man or if they believe in and I don't know how they all
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  around this. You know, these are these
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  relationships that everything has and how it works perfectly.
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  How was just far enough away from the Sun to warm us.
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  When not to burn us to death, you know all the different
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  Cycles in nature the systems that all work together.
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  Even in our own body as well as simple things like the The ring
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  cycle, you know, where photosynthesis, how this all
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  works, and it was a mind behind it.
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  So, intelligent, extremely intelligent mind.
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  I believe you have to try to wait for a theory.
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  We think, Dustin, Orchestrating. Events in history that allow for
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  Mass psychosis. 7 manipulating the situation behind the scenes
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  to be able to stand in like absolute hypocrisy, while
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  painting their enemy, as the same.
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  Hey man, I can get on board with that.
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  It's always somebody playing, it's something plotting
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  something man's. Never Satisfied is always great.
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  He's always trying to get things that.
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  Can we see about that happened in these last days here where
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  there's a lot of planning going. A lot of platinum.
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  And of course, we'll be the ones called conspiracy theories, but
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  the scriptures tell us that man's heart is desperately
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  wicked. so, we know Walmart scripture that and we know from
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  our own Spirits, probably even our own personal experience that
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  this is true. So there's always something
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  going on. There's no like but not that I
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  know of that's just looking out for everybody loves everybody
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  Used to Know Hold hands in a circle know that phrase.
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  It's already got something going on and it takes God I think
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  she'll straighten this out from all that.
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  So I just to back up what I'm saying about how the god reveals
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  himself to read, Romans 1:18 through 22 for the wrath of God
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  is revealed from Heaven against all ungodliness and
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  unrighteousness of men who hold the truth in unrighteousness,
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  because that which may be known of God is Manifest into a, or
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  God has showed it on to them. But invisible things of him for
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  the creation of the world are clearly seen being understood by
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  the things that are made even his eternal power and godhead.
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  So, they are without excuse because that, when they new guy,
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  they glorified him not as God. Neither were thankful for the
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  can you bring it in imaginations?
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  And a foolish hearts with darken.
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  Professing themselves to be wise.
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  They became fools. The last, the last verse 22.
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  Romans 1:22, reminds me of these idiots who think they are very
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  smart. They know about this and about
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  that the red shift Dark Matter this is at the black holes that
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  these are serious, but they are not wise enough to understand.
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  But there's a greater God made everything, what part of his
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  creation. He's looking to make us his
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  children, which is even better. Awesome.
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  Sounds 19124. The heavens declare, the glory
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  of God, and the firmament showeth, his handiwork they on
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  today. Other than speech and I done
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  tonight show us knowledge. There's no speech no language or
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  the voice is not heard. The line is going out to all the
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  Earth in the worst thing in the world and then have you set a
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  tabernacle for the summer So, if you trying to find you Sign
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  Language, sign language is a language with a voice is not
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  heard. So what are you Sign?
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  Language sign language is the language where the voice is not
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  heard. Yeah, but so have you talked
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  about Tonight Show with knowledge.
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  So these are things that they see mankind sees just by looking
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  around and understanding how this that I spoke about the sun
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  house. Just the right spot.
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  You know, just happen to be by coincidence in the right spot
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  that was made through. Nobody just can't resist it by
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  chaos and in other chance. So is he this what scripture
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  talking about? You see all around you and
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  Common Sense tells you that this couldn't be just an accident or
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  by chance have a powerful mind behind it.
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  We know that mind is the mind of God.
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  Jesus Christ has whatever we want to do the name for a guy.
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  I dig it. Stump So, they'll be a little
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  touchy. The easiest life is a conspiracy
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  theory. I wholeheartedly believe that
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  when I was watching one of the shows that we can watch it again
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  before it came to me that just like the original conspiracy
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  theory and you know, they always accusing us of why do you want?
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  This is happening. All the factors of plant behind
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  God's plan for us, right? Is what I believe is 7000 year
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  plan, which reflected by the seven days of creation with the
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  seventh day of rest. So, I think we see that in our
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  scripture, so there's a plan, God has a plan and we can man
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  has a plan to try to get away from gods.
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  Versace. One thing I find interesting is
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  that, in the beginning, we all believed in one God, and then
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  overtime, many people still worship and idea of that God,
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  but it was very foreign from the original relationship, like Adam
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  and Eve, and Seth would have had, right?
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  And then fast-forward even longer to wear it almost the
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  entire world up until the point of flood believed in a God, I
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  don't see any narrative where there was an atheist Before the
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  Flood. You know, they may not have
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  believed in the correct God. But everyone believed in a God
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  and I don't think it was until after the flood that the
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  atheistic mindset, even started, which is insane, considering
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  that you literally have the flood after it rains to remind
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  you. That there is a God who can
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  promise to not judge you in the same way.
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  He had the authority to judge the first time just mind-bending
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  Yeah, what kind of town for every course every individual
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  that ever lived? But it wasn't like a real that
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  we can tell the scripture scripture cuz that's all we have
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  before the flood or even right after the flood.
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  Are you even at our battle right Babble?
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  They knew that there was a God and they're trying to guess the
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  metaphor was that they were trying to build this Tower.
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  You're not going. I'm not going to say that.
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  Don't know they're trying to reach for the fact that they
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  were understanding rather than I can't be sure about that.
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  I have to study I read the In the Book of Romans it appears,
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  as though Paula stating that, there isn't really no such thing
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  as an atheist, such its suppression that they're
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  deliberately or intentionally pressing down under their view
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  of God, that they know deep down inside these real.
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  What's your views on that? Are my misinterpreting.
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  There are no atheists in a foxhole.
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  Yeah, that's the same, right? That's probably 1%, true.
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  What year did your show go? That so they don't blame for the
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  fact that they know the truth but because of a monthly Von
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  Reitz like we should have a scripture is suppress the truth.
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  I think you're exactly right. There's like a dick for things,
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  no bones in the ground. Trying to figure out how to play
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  some. Guys are looking into the sky
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  away from guys, because it's nonsensical to try to change the
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  theory. You changed it up to fit.
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  Sure. Sounds like, you're trying to
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  get away from guy. Went stomping, Proverbs.
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  I don't know if you guys heard the news, I had put it out there
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  and one of my latest videos but apparently the scientists of a
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  freshly stated that the universe is no longer 13 to 14 billion
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  years old. They doubled it.
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  Now, they're saying the universe is 30 billion years old.
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  Have you heard this out? And give them the earth a couple
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  more billion years. And I pointed this out to
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  obviously my friends and brothers and sisters who are
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  young earth creationists. Oh yeah.
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  They want their magic time because they need all that time
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  in order to make magic happen with monkey soup and such Eric,
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  they need more time and they keep saying I think of Marquita
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  even said it several times. We'll never know, for sure it's
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  a model. So you don't ever know.
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  It's always going to be at my hotel, is going to be changing
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  Define different things that need to be plugged the hole
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  where they, they found out that there is around to try to change
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  the other models and inspected House of Cards to get to the
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  fact that there's no God in that.
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  We just evolved from animals who came from wherever they came
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  from. So yeah, they do change quite
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  often and it's pretty obvious to me that, you know, there's no
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  need to argue through science because it can always change
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  whatever they say today it will change when they figure out.
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  That was really, it's not going to fit her.
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  Our model, we have to change it. Well, one thing I also noticed
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  is the more Supernatural, the claim of evolution, seems the
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  more time they need to add on and the reason is because they
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  can't leave it in a short. Of time because of the atheist
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  Community caught on that they did believe in the Supernatural.
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  A lot of them would re-evaluate Christianity or any other
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  religion for that matter, but they stretch it out over 13 +
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  billion years and suddenly you can make anything seem a little
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  less Supernatural. I'm kind of curious about your
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  point though. Brett, or your perspective, you
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  came over from being an atheist and it was still relatively new
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  so that you would remember when you finally had your Eureka
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  moment and realize God was real, did you feel in that moment?
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  Like you had intentionally been suppressing the knowledge of him
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  and my videos about this and I even hinted at it.
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  Whenever I was really, really a nihilistic that type of Define
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  myself as an atheist. I had suffered some tragedies in
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  my life had lost, some people I loved, and I was originally as a
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  child believed in God and all that.
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  But after the tragedies, I didn't leave because there was
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  some kind of scientific theory that just blew got out of the
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  water. I've never heard a good
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  scientific argument against God's just emotional stuff, you
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  know, hits and stuck, the crap. So that's what that's what led
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  me away. You know how it is when you lose
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  people, are you suffering your life over time?
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  You start the heel and you start to get him to focus and you
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  start rethinking and re-evaluating your life.
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  And that's that's the position I came to.
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  It seems that sometimes it takes a some kind of tragedy in our
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  life to bring us to the understanding who God is.
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  Rather than just coming to it naturally and we see off and how
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  people are kids, are brought up in the church, yet, they hit
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  college and I turned away from God and not Believers in
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  refusing to acknowledge that there may be a guy that I've
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  ever heard this from Spanish them online.
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  So It sometimes takes us a little one little something push
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  to push us into the truth. You're always welcome to come on
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  you guys and have to be up. Man that we had with Mark the
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  other night. And we were talking about, I
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  told him, I was like, man, I wish you would have cried out to
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  him and a moment when you were vulnerable, you know, cuz that's
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  when God tends to answer, when you're actually relying on him
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  and he knows that you're relying on him in that moment.
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  And he said he had a problem with that his problem with that,
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  was that people will basically believe anything when they're in
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  that moment of desperateness and I thought about it.
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  I'm like how weird is that the people are more receptive to the
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  ideas of God when they're at Rock, Bottom in the scripture
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  indicates over and over again? That that's when God typically
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  will find you. So it just a game that validates
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  scriptures Specimen, interesting.
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  How we cannot really control their own destiny happens, you
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  know, news, current world's, then we looked at the pain that
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  somebody beside herself. I think that's when you get
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  something happened to you, you're realizing you finally
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  declared yourself that you can't control anything.
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  Are you going to do is die without God?
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  You can't do anything else. Just like all your theories and
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  models of evolution it all ends in death, you know, stomp in the
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  Proverbs when you're young. You think that every that you're
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  invincible and that nothing can touch you.
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  It's not until you've actually been molded and had some
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  negative or tough experience. Is it really helped build your
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  character? And I think that if you If
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  anybody or even God were to come to someone while they're
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  arrogant or narcissistic? Are there very, very confident
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  in their view. It's a lot easier to be able to
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  get through to somebody who's more open-minded, who
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  understands the way of life and has had some experiences, that's
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  how I see it. I don't see someone as just
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  vulnerable but they're accepting their position in life and what
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  has happened to them and realize they need help.
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  I think the most bravest thing a person can do is cry out and say
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  I need help. I'm not in complete control of
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  everything. I need some help that spray that
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  takes courage. What's really interesting about
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  that Brett is if you tell that to someone who say is going
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  through depression, you're a hero.
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  But if you tell that to someone who is seeking God, because
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  they're going through a lot, you're just giving into
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  superstitions. Isn't that crazy?
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  Like we acknowledge Your brave if you go seek help when you're
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  depressed but if you are going through emotional problems and
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  you seek God, we look at you like you're like some old
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  fuddy-duddy, like it doesn't make sense, right?
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  Yeah. Yeah I think the scriptures true
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  when it says the carnal mind is enmity against God is Not
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  subject to the law of God. Neither indeed can be Miss like
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  impossible, right? If your carnal minded, do you
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  know where you're going to find that by being kind of Might
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  insert to form by experiments and testing theories and models
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  you can find them And bring it back to.
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  I think we're talking yesterday about the Like time, how much
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  time is it right? That there's is influencing
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  younger equation is argue and you will offer maybe Evolutions
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  in the end, there is even being a Christian Noah and Ben models
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  are people so you can add up the ages of the year of the certain
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  people that are listed in their genealogies, in the Bible, I
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  haven't took the time to do it. I'm sure it's not that difficult
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  to do. I probably will do it at some
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  point, but I think I'm just going to believe that it's taken
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  comes around. Six, seven thousand years but I
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  will do it myself. But I believe in God, when the
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  prophet Isaiah, always come back to this property.
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  What he says, God declares the end from the beginning that I
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  think some of that declaring is also mailing that that 7-Day
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  creation Is what God is going to use as a model for his plan of
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  seven thousand years with the year for a day, there is also in
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  scripture where it says, I like a thousand years 1,000 years
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  like a day and got site. So that's how I based.
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  My younger Lee, find me the scripture that when God declares
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  entry beginning, when he shows that sixth day, creation was the
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  seventh day of rest. He showed us what what's going
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  to be the the line of history for us on this Earth and how
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  long is going to take for us to get back to that so-called guard
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  at leading, back to him and stuff you mind, if I ask you a
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  question because I take you as a very intelligent, well-educated
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  person, whenever it comes to the Bible, anyone can jump in and
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  answer you have an idea on this, but this is going to come off
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  weird but being the God is capable of, knowing all the SLI
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  are past whenever were born as well as our futures.
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  And somehow, Completely comprehend, even what are death
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  and judgment will be deeply. The God has the ability to
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  switch in and out of time or do you believe that he is some
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  outside of it? Where he's at the beginning and
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  ending of the existence? It will have to believe that
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  he's outside of everything. He's outside of our Colonel Rose
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  outside of our time because he created everything.
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  I mean, to me to be like a person that sets up, an aquarium
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  aquarium aquarium, any further on?
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  But I think that's actually the future, what's going to happen,
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  because he's outside of not only the varmint of this Earth, but
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  he's outside of the time of this of this Earth.
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  And I'm going to stay in the garden to eat on the first day.
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  There was no time because if it was there was not in, no date.
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  Yet days yet only when we get the kind of time, do we have?
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  We do we have, do we have we have to date.
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  One day to day 3, that starts time they won which is one
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  reason, is I have time because soon as you have time you have
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  Colonel flesh, you got there. If there's no desk in the garden
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  before send Then it couldn't have been time or the quantity
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  of Flesh or can be the one of them.
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  So, you know, it stomp, as well as Proverbs I've actually had.
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  Non-believers asked me, how is this possible?
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  Or how does this even coherent the idea of something existing
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  outside of time? Yet time is different for that,
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  which is in and I would always described it like this and I
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  don't know if you two are Gamers or anything but I was just
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  recently playing Fallout 4 and 3 hours go by in the game that
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  could be only 15 minutes for me and I'm outside.
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  I'll just leave the monitor plane but the time is different
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  night and day the entire environment from the script and
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  all this. So I think it could be explained
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  in that kind of simple sense unless you got something better.
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  I think that's a good idea how it might work.
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  Or what we have to understand that we do believe that God is
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  with us. We can get this example.
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  I think that's a decent example of a.
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  I've got to be outside. Time is very closely related to
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  the veil. We only perceive time as a
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  reflection because we have to wait for the light to catch up
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  with our eye. In order to have a reference
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  with what we perceive as time. So the veil access the lens,
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  that delays it but also puts it into perspective.
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  That's interesting because of you like I said, I don't believe
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  that there was time on the first day until day one ended.
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  And then we see each day too, we see, when did they actually
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  write with what country today? It would be like the night.
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  In the day ended, the lights Bright Like the Sun in the Moon
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  that would constitute to the day.
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  So we see that being put in touch after.
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  We don't have a precise measurement of time due to time
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  dilation. So stop.
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  If you and I are sitting, like, I'm one mile away from a road
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  and your four miles away from the road and we're both watching
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  the same accident. The light tickets to my eyes is
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  going to get to my eyes faster when it gets to your eyes.
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  So, I am one mile closer to the accident than you are three
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  miles further away. Right?
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  And in that time, dilation allows for like I mean, it's on
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  our scale, it's insignificant but there's a quite a big gap
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  between the two events. I think you're saying like that,
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  the like traveling. So what we see is different
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  times that what you're saying is, right?
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  Like that. I think I'll stay away or
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  something. Let me speak to him and and he's
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  on the whole, he's in the morning, we're here in the
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  evening time. So the only true measurement
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  that we have four time is entropy right?
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  But even that's a flawed measurement because we don't
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  know where the Baseline is. Right?
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  So the only way to tell that time is past is by the damage
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  that is Left Behind. That's it.
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  That's the only thing that tells us a running clock.
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  He is a lot like that. It can be easily answered from
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  work. Besides the two Waco the concept
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  of the computer it's the processing power in this the
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  delays they say that it can take up to 5 seconds for like
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  information to process into someone's head, to be able to
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  respond. Luckily we've gotten good at
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  where we can get halfway through somebody's sentence and
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  paragraphs and kind of get an understanding or our idea where
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  they're coming from. If we relate with the month,
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  some kind of Louisville, so that's pretty neat.
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  You guys all went quiet on me. Did I say something crazy?
• 26:44
  Do I need to? Like I was talking to my Yeah, I
• 26:51
  was going to I was trying to say my my microphone.
• 26:52
  All right. Yeah, I think Dustin had a
• 26:57
  fumble moment, the mic drop. I was inside you like a ancient
• 27:02
  man, right before it was any type of clock water clocks, or
• 27:04
  anyting, the way he can adjust time was through day and night,
• 27:08
  right? That's how they counted the
• 27:09
  days, it wasn't precise. But that's how the cut with the
• 27:12
  days and we wish it happened in, in, in Genesis right.
• 27:15
  When she lived in the night, being brought into effect with
• 27:18
  it. I went by the Moon, by the
• 27:26
  20-day lunar cycle. Back in those days.
• 27:34
  Specifically for the Jews. Well, before the Jews, all of
• 27:37
  Israel. God gave the time frame that
• 27:42
  when the sun sets, it's the beginning of a new day and
• 27:45
  that's why this day when the Jews, observe, not pass over but
• 27:49
  all the Sabbath it starts Friday evening.
• 27:52
  So they do have some sort of definition of an actual day.
• 27:57
  Also it it's not quite the same as ours but You have one.
• 28:03
  That's true fact. That means business is right in
• 28:05
  the morning and the evening were the first day.
• 28:08
  So strange, how they started at sundown as a day when I think, I
• 28:15
  think, of course, I always think something crazy is that is the
• 28:18
  morning just hung up with you today but Everywhere you look.
• 28:23
  It's it's evening. Start today for the juice of
• 28:26
  corn. Whatever It Is.
• 28:27
  Well it is kind of backwards. How's it going?
• 28:30
  Adam! It is kind of backwards dump
• 28:32
  because Man, I had a thought and then it lost me is backwards
• 28:38
  because you were talking about time sound like you were getting
• 28:41
  them to some dilation there, which gets I had an extremely
• 28:44
  excited in my right brother. It does all what my point is, is
• 28:49
  the Jews. They start their days in the
• 28:51
  evening at Sunset. What the Bible says that God
• 28:55
  created the sun to govern the day and the moon to govern the
• 28:59
  night. So you would think that the sun
• 29:02
  would be the start of the day. So I agree with you stomp.
• 29:05
  It seems out of order. So I got to see when you look at
• 29:14
  the I think it's at the The $12 I can't remember now but anyway
• 29:22
  so it seems like the Auburn would have started at like 6
• 29:26
  a.m. rightly if you found an hour and you're going to stay
• 29:28
  there, the 12 on, it was like that though.
• 29:31
  At noon, right? You have to say that they
• 29:33
  started at 6 a.m. because it's 6 hours later than noon.
• 29:36
  So when the Bible says he died on this hour, you if you start
• 29:39
  from 6 a.m. you will get the death being around.
• 29:42
  I think it's 3 p.m. in scripture.
• 29:47
  So, I don't want to get too deep into that cuz I could be a long
• 29:56
  debate scripture and discussion. And how are you?
• 30:03
  I'm I'm better. I think I'm ready to go back to
• 30:11
  work tomorrow. If I was anywhere near you, I'd
• 30:17
  be telling you you aren't going nowhere.
• 30:21
  If you showed up to work tomorrow, I'd say some mean
• 30:25
  things to you. Well, I'm Welcome, Adam.
• 30:46
  Has anything that stump Brett and Dustin and I going over any
• 30:53
  of that Peak your interest. Yea actually there's something
• 30:56
  that Brett said that I wanted to ask and I may have misheard.
• 30:58
  Brett, but you had mentioned, I know that recently someone had
• 31:04
  proposed that the age of the universe is supposed to be
• 31:07
  doubled or whatever that you had.
• 31:09
  Also said that there was something about a possible older
• 31:16
  earth like they're they might be reconsidering the age of the
• 31:18
  Earth to why I've been I've been checking out the sites like big
• 31:23
  thing in life science. I don't know if you if those two
• 31:27
  or of any interest to you but it seems as though they're stating
• 31:32
  there's some folks out there who are questioning having doubt
• 31:35
  towards evolutions and their viewing.
• 31:38
  The if universe is much older than they think that motor for
• 31:43
  the process of evolution to work, they need more time.
• 31:46
  If that if that makes sense. Right.
• 31:51
  So just to clarify the did you say that some of those sources
• 31:54
  are claiming that the Earth the planet Earth may be older than
• 31:57
  they thought? Well Adam they're pretty
• 32:00
  official on the universe statement but as far as the
• 32:03
  Earth that's more of a cannabis speculation and just reading
• 32:06
  different opinions and thoughts from scientist on that.
• 32:10
  But the universe thing you out you've been on the money for the
• 32:14
  last couple years talking to me. You pointed out a lot of this.
• 32:18
  You said that you think that in the future this is going to
• 32:21
  happen and Adam was right. He knew about it and every
• 32:24
  atheist told him. No no no you don't know what
• 32:26
  you're talking about. Adam is right.
• 32:29
  I was very predictable, like they have to like the more
• 32:33
  problems they find. They have to find a way to try
• 32:35
  to get out of it but I see what you're saying.
• 32:38
  Like, the amount of time it should take for evolution to
• 32:40
  have happened, would require more than than what the age of
• 32:44
  the Earth allows for basically Ryan.
• 32:46
  And especially, it's not as though Evolution as had like a
• 32:51
  it would have had an easy track. We've had Extinction moments and
• 32:55
  all this, like I mentioned in my video earlier so you know the
• 32:59
  line has been cut and there's been damage and then pack done
• 33:02
  two different species mall that sell.
• 33:05
  And that's, you know, they they see it is, you know, the more
• 33:09
  time the more magic works How do they do ever explain the magic
• 33:15
  itself? Like the nitty-gritty of how the
• 33:17
  magic works? Like one.
• 33:18
  When we just decide what's a species turn into another
• 33:22
  species and like you know two slugs got together and they did
• 33:27
  something and then somehow a different animal came out and
• 33:30
  Orvis Lola came out. I don't even like there's some
• 33:38
  views out there and me and Adam have laughed about this little
• 33:41
  bit. Matt Powell has brought it up a
• 33:43
  couple times but their belief is that they come from rocks
• 33:47
  without no intelligent design Consciousness, helping in this
• 33:51
  like booger gooey stuff, come off a rock and then started
• 33:55
  turning into all kinds of the comical structures over billions
• 33:58
  of years of time. So yeah, it's pretty wild.
• 34:03
  And they don't come for like fluctuations in the in the
• 34:07
  environment. Like we supposed to say what
• 34:08
  they could they cause blowing warm and now you see different
• 34:11
  things. They don't count for this.
• 34:12
  As you know. It hasn't been always the
• 34:14
  perfect thing to develop these types of Life over millions of
• 34:17
  years, you would think that they would be something.
• 34:19
  You know, there's something even more unusual stump and Adam and
• 34:25
  I have talked to several people about the subject.
• 34:28
  I don't know if Adam is, was interested in the topic, but the
• 34:32
  reproduction deal, if we were to go along with the story that we
• 34:36
  came from, the simplistic organisms, and then went
• 34:39
  through, all these physical changes.
• 34:41
  Are we to believe that a male and female creature?
• 34:44
  Made it up on land and just happened to be able to run into
• 34:48
  each other, on time, the question you have to ask
• 34:51
  yourself where did the chemicals come from to make them attracted
• 34:54
  to each other? What?
• 34:56
  Chemicals, cause a simple organism to begin.
• 34:59
  Growing reproductive system like a penis and the Raina is going
• 35:04
  to mean sorry to get a little rough there, but you get my
• 35:06
  point and somehow still be compatible.
• 35:09
  That's magic. Maybe You're, this is just a
• 35:12
  whole lot of nitty-gritty. They just kind of gloss over far
• 35:14
  as I understand, it was the best thing I could find was a
• 35:16
  Evolution coloring books. Nitty-gritty, how did this
• 35:24
  exactly happened? I mean they do believe that
• 35:27
  everything came from the primordial soup, type thing
• 35:30
  whatever you want to call it might be nothing but they want
• 35:32
  to call it but it's turned into everything.
• 35:34
  I mean like the trees plants, do hummingbirds elephants time.
• 35:39
  How does how do you get all these variations from phone to
• 35:43
  animal life? In all from the same thing, I'll
• 35:47
  never understand that number never shows that it happens.
• 35:51
  And I'll tell you what if Adam decides he wants to do, one of
• 35:56
  the most interesting topics, Adam brings up with especially
• 35:59
  non-believers and agnostics is the Cambrian.
• 36:03
  It's up Adam, if he wants to share that, but that makes
• 36:07
  things extremely greasy. You certainly must not want you
• 36:15
  to be still there. He said it gets in his car is
• 36:25
  like it's worse subject and I don't have anybody ever
• 36:30
  believed. Before they say, I'm still glad
• 36:34
  I did whenever I was growing up and going to school because I
• 36:39
  was indoctrinated into it. I was told hey, you came from a
• 36:43
  monkey and I figured that. Okay, sure.
• 36:45
  And I went with it for a while there but then you know you get
• 36:50
  older. You start thinking, wait a
• 36:51
  minute. And I do look kind of funny, but
• 36:53
  I don't know if I'm related to a pig in a beaver and all that
• 36:56
  damn stuff. You start questioning exactly
• 37:10
  Adam. We were just telling everybody.
• 37:12
  How Flawless you think the research is in the Camden.
• 37:17
  And how absolutely aligns perfectly with Cambrian
• 37:20
  explosion. Do you guys know about that?
• 37:25
  I know very little about it, I think I've only ever heard it
• 37:29
  referenced by you but Brett mentioned that.
• 37:31
  That's a topic you're fond of. Yeah.
• 37:35
  I mean it used to be one that I like to talk about a lot.
• 37:38
  I don't know if it's frustrating, I guess, depending
• 37:40
  on who you're talking to about it.
• 37:43
  Give me some Cliff Notes, the Cambrian explosion and you know
• 37:48
  conventional science is this time.
• 37:51
  We're supposedly as far as I understand, it's like literally
• 37:55
  every single one or everyone, but one or two.
• 38:00
  Animalia phylum just originates out of, like, you don't really
• 38:04
  have, you had these like little single-celled, organisms, prior
• 38:06
  to that and then suddenly have this.
• 38:09
  Where it's like every major body plan of, every animal is just
• 38:13
  already there. and then from there on, there's really no new
• 38:20
  Fila that that arrives. So it's like all the so like a
• 38:26
  phylum, it I'm trying to remember what they all are but
• 38:28
  it's like, you know, there's like a species in the genus.
• 38:29
  It Go Up High Enough, like phylum is the biggest
• 38:34
  distinction you can have and still be within the animal
• 38:37
  kingdom, you know what I mean? So, I feel like the biggest most
• 38:40
  major differences between the animals lady was like refer to
• 38:47
  as like the body plan, right? Like the mate, like the the main
• 38:52
  for the symmetries of the body or things like that, like the
• 38:55
  major, like structures of the body, by the way, it's very
• 39:04
  suspicious that if this is what happened, there would have been
• 39:10
  enough time for this to just like suddenly burst on the scene
• 39:12
  like that. I find it very suspicious
• 39:16
  though. Just say with all the pressure
• 39:21
  cookers, they have all the Machinery.
• 39:24
  They have that in a lab, they can literally change the
• 39:27
  pressures to make it seem as old as they want.
• 39:31
  So they could make something feels like, it's 13 billion
• 39:34
  years old. And to this day, we cannot get
• 39:37
  Evolution to replicate. We cannot have a single cell
• 39:41
  organism ever form into anything else, no matter what environment
• 39:44
  they put it on, no matter how much radiation they nuke into
• 39:48
  it, it never changes and that I find fascinating.
• 39:53
  I don't know if that means that there were experiments where
• 39:55
  they did get some single-celled, organisms to become
• 39:59
  multicellular, Adam, that's not impressive.
• 40:04
  I got to do something into a banana with freaking legs man.
• 40:08
  I mean, the origin of Life thing it's like they don't seem to
• 40:20
  have a very good handle on it cuz they can't.
• 40:22
  If they did they should be able to basically take the existing
• 40:25
  chemicals and replicate it pretty easily, right?
• 40:29
  So what do you think was like microbial and single celled
• 40:37
  organism like amoebas and things like that, that they would be
• 40:41
  able to reproduce something? Any, any form of evolution?
• 40:51
  Yeah. Well I mean we have we observed
• 40:53
  speciation at the least there is some experiment where I don't
• 40:57
  remember what it was but I think it might have been pretty recent
• 40:59
  where they did take single-celled organisms in, they
• 41:02
  evolve to multicellular organisms, were they still the
• 41:07
  same organism? Did they just split?
• 41:09
  Did they split up? And Justin just wore my group
• 41:14
  guys man. And man points them out real
• 41:17
  quick and then Adam you want to rock and roll for a while with
• 41:19
  the mystery Loop. And that's cool.
• 41:21
  It doesn't shock me. If people tell me, I owe in a
• 41:25
  lab, some intelligent, people did some splicing and some
• 41:29
  digging around and some juggling with the cells and they managed
• 41:33
  to create something weird out of it.
• 41:34
  The problem is for the atheist, is it took an intelligent mind
• 41:39
  and a lab to be able to do that. So that doesn't help them.
• 41:42
  They have to basically defended happening naturally.
• 41:46
  Without some intelligence guiding you follow.
• 41:50
  I understand and agree with what you just said, Brett but my
• 41:55
  point is I don't think they're being honest about being that
• 41:59
  successful, go to incubate life like that and create something,
• 42:06
  they should have been able to buy.
• 42:08
  Now, bring forth some sort of ugly, new type of hamster.
• 42:12
  Shown all the creationist what they've done.
• 42:15
  And a lot of them would be forced to sit in evaluating
• 42:19
  their relationship with God and what they believe going forward.
• 42:22
  And if the scientific Community have that evidence, you can bet
• 42:26
  your bottom dollar. They would have brought it
• 42:27
  forward. So, what is their best model for
• 42:34
  this camping explosion? Does anybody know what your best
• 42:36
  mileage for this white all happen at once?
• 42:40
  I think that one of them has been a while since, like I
• 42:45
  remember like the details over. I think one of the things is
• 42:49
  that Something like there was an ox oxygen event.
• 42:53
  So it's like, there was a period where they believe that the
• 42:56
  planet didn't have very much oxygen and then there's quite a
• 43:01
  bit of an increase in the oxygen, either in the atmosphere
• 43:03
  of the ocean. I don't remember which or both
• 43:05
  and an addition of I want to say cows, calcium and might be more
• 43:13
  kind of hard shell to calcified organisms and stuff like that.
• 43:17
  So that is like one of these to hear.
• 43:19
  There was a lot more oxygen and then like all this stuff like
• 43:24
  started to evolve rapidly. wasn't there like a split in the
• 43:29
  kelp in the ocean and like a certain split in the genome and
• 43:35
  then all of a sudden help started eating up a bunch of the
• 43:38
  iron oxide and over oxygenating the water I mean, I think that's
• 43:43
  one of the There is Claude balls who's been writing in Providence
• 43:52
  Avenue Ella Frost with us or not to get off topic.
• 44:11
  Just real quick, he says how life actually sparked off isn't
• 44:16
  covered by evolutionary theory, it's only after life started
• 44:20
  know Ava. Biogenesis is actually supposed
• 44:23
  to suggest wearing fly the first evolutionary transition into the
• 44:28
  next thing. So that's that's exactly what
• 44:31
  the definition of a biogenesis is so they are connected.
• 44:34
  Does he actually know Evolution or is he indoctrinated?
• 44:38
  Like I used to be when I was a kid.
• 44:43
  That sounds very, very bad on top of that.
• 44:46
  I'd like to add on top of that. Every time you have an evoluted,
• 44:50
  be Evolution for a being that has evolved.
• 44:53
  Isn't that a new form of life there for biogenesis?
• 44:58
  No, of course not. It is that evolution is
• 45:03
  different about to help you. There are I told you, it's even
• 45:12
  then the definition of abiogenesis and you just like
• 45:15
  hell with that. I'm not even to bother to look.
• 45:17
  And make sure I don't look like a damn fool.
• 45:20
  I'm just going to jump right in there.
• 45:21
  I am looking at the definition of Evolutions abiogenesis is a
• 45:28
  term that evolved. Well after evolution.
• 45:34
  Police immunity does not talk about I buy on Genesis unless
• 45:39
  you can show me where we're meeting and let me teach you
• 45:43
  what a Google search engine is real quick and that will get
• 45:47
  you. That will get you straighten out
• 45:49
  their. Hold on.
• 45:49
  Okay. So abiogenesis, be original
• 45:54
  evolution of life or living organism.
• 45:57
  Oh my God. Does that hurt?
• 46:00
  Is that painful Claudia? Tellez that way you can tell me
• 46:04
  you in the theory of evolution by mr.
• 46:06
  Win at show me where I pay a Genesis is mentioned.
• 46:11
  Oh my goodness is he does he not here?
• 46:14
  It says right there in the definition it's the very first
• 46:18
  transition into the life-form, share your screen so you can so
• 46:25
  you can show them. All right, hold on a second book
• 46:30
  of Darwin or is this something you have found on the internet?
• 46:34
  Okay, here we go. Right here.
• 46:37
  Oh, the internet's bad now, there it is.
• 46:39
  Do you guys see it on screen? You might have to make it big
• 46:43
  there. What is that?
• 46:44
  Say right there, Proverbs you able to see that cuz apparently,
• 46:47
  I'm not articulate enough for him.
• 46:49
  It's working. It's a control and scroll up a
• 46:54
  little bit, but with your mouse real I'm up as far as I can go.
• 46:58
  It's right there in the control on your keyboard and then scroll
• 47:02
  up on your mouse with a little meat.
• 47:04
  Little zoom in All right, I'll tell you what.
• 47:08
  I'm going to just copy that and I will put it into the private
• 47:12
  chat for you guys, all right? Here you go.
• 47:15
  Okay. What does this say right here,
• 47:21
  folks? Can somebody please read it?
• 47:23
  You can take me out the screen now.
• 47:25
  I know I'm handsome, but you see that right there, one?
• 47:31
  The original evolution of life or living organisms, from
• 47:35
  inorganic or an adamant substances to to construct, any
• 47:42
  convincing theory of Abby about Genesis, we must take into
• 47:47
  account the condition of the earth about 4 billion years ago.
• 47:51
  Yeah, good luck with that. Yeah, so there you go,
• 47:55
  biogenesis. Well, it was, it wasn't mr.
• 48:06
  That's why I'm saying is two separate two separate one.
• 48:11
  And the other is abiogenesis, which is the actual origin of
• 48:20
  Life, the starting of Life. Claude, you know, Claude that
• 48:29
  the theory of evolution had already been established, when
• 48:33
  Darwin penned his theory of evolution, you know that I keep
• 48:39
  hoping the one that came up with the theory.
• 48:42
  At, well, he's the one that wrote it all down.
• 48:44
  So yeah, interesting that you say that cuz I was thinking
• 48:55
  about it earlier and I actually never Lucian is based in Greek
• 48:59
  mythology, you'd be fine. Have you found in Greek, Greek?
• 49:07
  In in Greek, philosophy in and there. their way of thinking
• 49:13
  that the Greeks are actually the ones that You know, lay the
• 49:19
  foundation for evolution actually been around for years.
• 49:24
  Makes any difference in Google has the same deal, but it says
• 49:43
  it related to conceptual framework there different
• 49:56
  branches of science. Revolution from from you.
• 50:20
  No life-forms. You can throw that out and just
• 50:32
  ate well. Here, we found this in.
• 50:34
  This is how she works. She started the point you and
• 50:54
  you act like you have to, you have to have a starting point,
• 50:58
  and that would be biogenesis. And they have yet to prove that
• 51:03
  I don't know why they separate. I'm sure that if I Googled it
• 51:05
  and research, I can find the answer.
• 51:06
  My gut tells me. It's because we cannot prove I
• 51:09
  have eyes and sisters. No, no drawback.
• 51:28
  Okay, cuz I've never done that before and mr.
• 51:33
  Stump going to share something with you.
• 51:35
  In Proverbs real quick. I think you guys will find
• 51:37
  interesting for sure. It seems like our friend art
• 51:41
  somebody's working. This Friday is going on.
• 51:44
  That's really not the mic. It's like background noise like
• 51:57
  spoons on a counter kind of thing.
• 52:07
  New them and you'll see. Okay, you ready?
• 52:19
  Proverbs and Mr. Stump you going to love me directions to
• 52:23
  caveman. A book called the man for the
• 52:29
  French guy who really is in the Darwin, Darwin said another
• 52:33
  source of conviction in the existence of God connected.
• 52:37
  With the reason, I'm not with the feelings impresses me as
• 52:40
  having much more weight this follows from the extreme
• 52:43
  difficulty or other possibility of conceiving this immense and
• 52:47
  wonderful Universe including man with his capacity of looking far
• 52:51
  backwards and far into future entity as a result of blind
• 52:55
  chance. And necessity went bust
• 52:57
  reflecting. I feel compelled to look to a
• 53:00
  first cause having an intelligent mind in some degree
• 53:05
  and a logos to that of man. I deserve to be called atheist.
• 53:09
  That's Darwin. He believed that.
• 53:11
  The only way Evolution could work is if there was an
• 53:15
  intelligent mind to guide the process and that beautiful, it
• 53:21
  is coming from Darwin and it just shows how ladies are trying
• 53:24
  to get rid of God, that's some bad Christian think that
• 53:33
  Evolution was the process that that God used to make all the
• 53:39
  animals have more Catholics than Christians, believe that though
• 53:44
  to be parked, by the way they're wrong.
• 53:47
  And now I know I, you know, I grew up, I can tell you the
• 54:04
  story of how if you want. I would like to know if you,
• 54:10
  while you were a Believer, did you ever have a personal
• 54:13
  experience. I think.
• 54:21
  I felt that you know, what night standing in the church and I
• 54:26
  feel like I should have come over me and that it was God
• 54:33
  speak to speaking to me. So I think maybe it just emotion
• 54:39
  you know you don't mind me asking.
• 54:43
  Do you believe evolution is a guided process or just random
• 54:47
  chance? Well I tend to think it is
• 54:51
  random but it is possible. It could be guided.
• 54:56
  Okay. Can you explain some of the
• 54:58
  random components and how they combine with each other to make
• 55:02
  order? I'm not that up on the science.
• 55:10
  All right there. Enough walking to the room, by
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  the way, the same people that are pushing that.
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  The Earth is going to be pretty much destroyed.
• 55:27
  And within the next 10 years are the same people pushing that the
• 55:32
  Earth is also millions of years old.
• 55:34
  I find that pretty pretty convenient.
• 55:37
  I mean, I guess Youmans just have really bad timing, you
• 55:42
  know? Cuz We've been around for so
• 55:45
  many years and it just so happens that where the Earth is
• 55:48
  going to be gone within our generation pretty much.
• 55:56
  That's what they're pushing. So whenever we're never going to
• 55:59
  be able to find out about Evolution, if it's ever hurt you
• 56:03
  or not, because the Earth is going to be destroyed.
• 56:06
  So many people have been predicting the end of the Earth
• 56:10
  for years and years nicely people.
• 56:13
  Like Christian Scientists, Jehovah Witness.
• 56:16
  All those of the lunatics are pushing global warming and
• 56:21
  everything like that, man-made climate change. 10 years before
• 56:25
  we were burned out and all that. Yeah that's definitely what they
• 56:29
  put out there. Who could look it, look it up,
• 56:30
  easily, the world economic Forum, or later pushing that
• 56:33
  we've been here for. We been here for millions of
• 56:37
  years of the Earth has been here for millions of years, and it
• 56:40
  just so happens that we, we got the perfect time where the Earth
• 56:44
  is going to end it within our generation system and restoring
• 56:52
  the planet. That's good.
• 56:54
  That's Evolution that we should even try to change anything in
• 56:57
  this. I do believe a lot of
• 56:58
  politicians are trying to make money and get all dramatic and
• 57:02
  Theatrical are in the climate change things but I am a bit
• 57:05
  concerned about us something that they discovered out in
• 57:09
  space. I don't know if you guys heard
• 57:11
  of the apoptosis, I believe this how it's pronounced.
• 57:14
  Nope. It's a meteorite that is heading
• 57:18
  towards Earth and they say it's like the size of Texas and that
• 57:23
  that's actually much smaller than the one that supposedly
• 57:26
  wiped out. The dinosaurs much smaller.
• 57:29
  M, a s m. I am, I coming through clear our
• 57:32
  mail, bad still you're coming through Gray's.
• 57:35
  I've never had a mic problem. And now, every day, something is
• 57:44
  happening. Now that is not a conspiracy
• 57:46
  theory back back now though. So are you stalking to a webcam
• 57:56
  before? I was talking through my, I've
• 57:59
  been using just like a reasonable quality, but the
• 58:02
  videos with no, you sound great. Now, hopefully it keeps up.
• 58:09
  That is based off of what you were saying, stump, fantastic
• 58:16
  Point evolutionist need to stop this nonsense about getting our
• 58:21
  species divided on to multiple Planet.
• 58:23
  I just also noticed Adam left us.
• 58:25
  I hope he comes back. They want to divide the species
• 58:29
  so that if Earth gets destroyed our species continues.
• 58:33
  But if survival of the fittest is accurate, in mankind, is a
• 58:38
  planet destroying species. Shouldn't we want mankind to die
• 58:43
  off so that we don't destroy other worlds out in the Galaxy.
• 58:47
  I mean, that's Madness. That's Natural Evolution.
• 58:51
  Let it go. Let it go.
• 58:52
  I see that. I'm glad you brought that up,
• 58:59
  mr. Stomp.
• 59:00
  Have you ever heard of that? I talked to Proverbs and Adam
• 59:03
  about this a few times. I don't know if I brought it up
• 59:05
  with you. Have you ever heard of the Fermi
• 59:07
  Paradox before the Fermi Paradox is basically it's scientist
• 59:14
  questioning If evolution of May biogenesis is true then why
• 59:18
  isn't it the universe teeming with life forms If evolution
• 59:23
  works and there's over billions and trillions of planets that
• 59:26
  exists out there, whether you believe in a finite or infinite
• 59:29
  Universe, we should have ran into aliens life-forms by now.
• 59:33
  No, I know who got some people after you, probably think they
• 59:35
  already got abducted at least once or twice, but the point is
• 59:39
  that we should be seeing it everywhere If evolution were to
• 59:43
  be true. I meant otherwise it's the
• 59:47
  system here that we have is just a total coincidence or the one
• 59:50
  in a zillion, I know, but the odds are of everything coming
• 59:53
  together. Perfectly with the right,
• 59:55
  everything water, right atmosphere the right, son in
• 59:59
  right place in the moon for the tides to pull the tires, just
• 1:00:02
  real at all, it has to be just perfect.
• 1:00:03
  Otherwise can't have anything or even if you got the great
• 1:00:08
  conditions even if you had a world that was ten times better
• 1:00:11
  than the earth just so watch this.
• 1:00:13
  I'm going to ask Claudia Rex a question, what kind of materials
• 1:00:18
  are components in the environment?
• 1:00:19
  Can cause a creature to turn into something completely
• 1:00:22
  different? What's up?
• 1:00:28
  you notice the silence that Stephanie had no idea what
• 1:00:35
  variables happen in the environment that make it to
• 1:00:39
  where a reptile could actually turn into a, let's say a mammal
• 1:00:43
  or a shrew a rodent, you like I get to the single chemical or a
• 1:00:54
  single variable would not make one species change to another So
• 1:00:58
  you don't, you don't have the name of one single component
• 1:01:01
  that would cause the creature to change.
• 1:01:05
  Marianne, right? It's like a pressure side, like
• 1:01:07
  many small, adoptions lead to one big exception and eventually
• 1:01:16
  things changed about the jobs require millions of years, you
• 1:01:21
  know? And that's why we probably just
• 1:01:23
  how you think the Earth is 6,000 years old.
• 1:01:25
  Is there are few and they're decent people and make good
• 1:01:31
  argument. But have you ever observed a
• 1:01:37
  reptile turn into a mammal before?
• 1:01:39
  Have you learned? Is that a, is it a test that can
• 1:01:43
  be repeatable? And it's not science book.
• 1:01:53
  One of the most intelligent modern signs says, this world is
• 1:01:57
  Francis Collins. He's a Christian.
• 1:01:59
  So, some of them on something, but you look at what he's done,
• 1:02:05
  The Janome things like that. And he says that the envelope
• 1:02:09
  Evolution evidence is overwhelming and he explained
• 1:02:13
  very well, which I kind to he took.
• 1:02:16
  He says, the idea of intelligent design is wrong.
• 1:02:20
  Is it would have to be a god of deception and his God is not a
• 1:02:24
  god of deception. So looking for scientists not
• 1:02:29
  full sound. Sounds, a little like a red with
• 1:02:33
  an e. Current.
• 1:02:42
  You have no idea what he's talking about your argument.
• 1:02:50
  And I stated right here and right now that I am like a
• 1:02:53
  hundred million times more intelligent than you.
• 1:02:55
  What if I made that claim? If that is true, does that mean
• 1:02:59
  you should believe everything I say now?
• 1:03:01
  Well, you'd have to prove that you were intelligent, but me and
• 1:03:05
  maybe you are, maybe your wonderful father.
• 1:03:08
  I don't know anything about you, but I do know.
• 1:03:13
  There are some people who are and I take a lot more notice of
• 1:03:16
  them on the side, I took you in. I don't know what your specialty
• 1:03:20
  is, but maybe you are something special for you and Janine.
• 1:03:25
  The notice of you if you're an engineer, miss your cloud.
• 1:03:33
  Yes, you do not know Mr. Brett Keane.
• 1:03:37
  Atheist, Frank on all of YouTube audio, you did concede earlier
• 1:04:00
  in the conversation. You said, you never have
• 1:04:02
  actually seen a testable. You've never observed it.
• 1:04:05
  So basically what you're telling me is that this really cool dude
• 1:04:08
  on television or in a book. Drop some cartoons for you.
• 1:04:12
  You thought they were neat, she accepted it based on faith cuz
• 1:04:15
  you didn't deserve it, right? You were putting LEDs into the
• 1:04:19
  mouth of me about that is that you can infer.
• 1:04:24
  And I think the inference is, you know, so you can look at
• 1:04:29
  different patterns of things and you can infer that.
• 1:04:33
  I think that's still science, but I guess we never going to
• 1:04:36
  agree on that. Let's try this out.
• 1:04:40
  I missed a t there have you know, this scientifically in all
• 1:04:45
  of your life? You've always observed that life
• 1:04:49
  comes from life, right? Yes.
• 1:04:51
  Have you ever seen anything come out of a rock and be seen
• 1:04:55
  anything come out of an inanimate object?
• 1:04:57
  Which is the conspiracy that the aps goes with any truth to that
• 1:05:03
  at all? Never seen that.
• 1:05:08
  So how can we claim that this is science?
• 1:05:10
  We can't test it. We can't observe it.
• 1:05:12
  And we have to claim that there's some kind of magical
• 1:05:15
  amount of time that goes by where things to start turning
• 1:05:19
  into, you know, a beaver turns into a cat, cat turns into a
• 1:05:22
  cow. I mean, come on.
• 1:05:23
  It doesn't that sound a little mean?
• 1:05:28
  Well, it didn't there. Is there Ferry Right theory is
• 1:05:31
  part of signs right before you have a theory there's a problem
• 1:05:34
  just stuck in that then that they were they can't get out
• 1:05:36
  that theory because they can't go any further.
• 1:05:38
  They can't get to you. Beginning thing started when
• 1:05:41
  they're stuck in a theory and it's a conspiracy theory to get
• 1:05:43
  rid of God, it's not scientific information.
• 1:05:47
  It's a hypothesis has to be scientific information, it has
• 1:05:51
  to have very viable and repeatable information to get
• 1:05:56
  the data from the you have to be able to do an experiment to
• 1:05:58
  prove that it existed. I have to be able to go behind.
• 1:06:00
  You, do they say since I can't be done, it is still a
• 1:06:06
  hypothesis is not proven true. So why are we teaching it in
• 1:06:10
  their schools? Now, cuz I know you have three
• 1:06:14
  children. Correct.
• 1:06:15
  My beautiful nieces. I do.
• 1:06:18
  And I'm also pursuing a degree in environmental science and I
• 1:06:22
  still think it's hilarious and a mockery out of Have any of them
• 1:06:28
  exhibited? Any mutations that significantly
• 1:06:33
  different one from the other two?
• 1:06:38
  I can say with all confidence that the past five generations
• 1:06:41
  that I witnessed had, none of those traits or any parent, the
• 1:06:51
  same question they would all say the same thing even if their
• 1:06:55
  child was born with a mutation, like Evolution pushes.
• 1:06:58
  It's still a human. Hang on usual.
• 1:07:04
  I can tell with my kids so they're probably going to be a
• 1:07:07
  lot more awesome and intelligent than I am there.
• 1:07:10
  Definitely an upgrade from this old boy But I don't think you're
• 1:07:15
  going to turn into flying squirrels.
• 1:07:19
  Do you think so? Speciation as a general concept.
• 1:07:28
  It depends on how you Define speciation speciation but also
• 1:07:38
  what Proverbs guy says their atheist 10 or 8 years and
• 1:07:42
  evolutionist tend to muddy the water when it comes to the
• 1:07:47
  actual definition of what it is. I guess I just at what point, so
• 1:07:55
  I guess we don't have another million years.
• 1:08:02
  I would you expect speciation to stop, What will crack your back?
• 1:08:08
  If you didn't you. Go ahead or waiting for my.
• 1:08:20
  I'm still waiting for my gills or you know, web feet to swim
• 1:08:25
  faster. You know, some type of winning
• 1:08:29
  or no laser eyes. I want laser eyes your your
• 1:08:43
  Bible and I don't believe it does but that's what that's the
• 1:08:47
  reason. So you know, that's not fair.
• 1:08:50
  That is part of it. But the only reason cloth speaks
• 1:08:56
  is because he hate, he's his ass whole is a jealous of the stuff
• 1:09:01
  that comes out of his mouth. To reject it before you even
• 1:09:08
  look at this guy's area. That's that's true.
• 1:09:13
  But for one thing, I doubt the scientific method behind to the
• 1:09:19
  rings on tree trunks for one thing.
• 1:09:22
  I'm not sure if they have always developed at the same rate, we
• 1:09:27
  don't know if pressures in the environment or colder climate of
• 1:09:31
  extreme weather is that we've never experienced.
• 1:09:33
  According to you guys and thousands of years at the least,
• 1:09:36
  we don't know if it's consistent, that's an assumption
• 1:09:40
  for two thousand years. Since the Greeks started doing
• 1:09:45
  it, it has been the same and we know how they answered me.
• 1:09:47
  Ever. Find your stream and types of
• 1:09:49
  live-action. Rex, 4400 years ago, everything
• 1:09:57
  would have grown at a different rate, right?
• 1:10:00
  So two thousand years ago, doesn't make much of a
• 1:10:03
  difference because we don't claim that it affects anything
• 1:10:06
  until 3400 years ago. It all seems to be 5500 years
• 1:10:14
  old which is like not a controversial thing of right
• 1:10:19
  foot pole for a flood wood tree rings.
• 1:10:22
  Grow at a different rate. If if the creation narrative is
• 1:10:25
  accurate, would it ruin a different rate considering the
• 1:10:29
  high concentration of oxygen? We had Probably doesn't matter
• 1:10:33
  because you stay in the flood happened.
• 1:10:35
  Four thousand years ago, that tree would have had to survive
• 1:10:37
  the flood if it would grow faster before the, but I'm
• 1:10:40
  saying, so the tree, I guess, I understand what your issues.
• 1:10:43
  Why? I don't think the tree dating is
• 1:10:45
  valid, and I made that very point at the beginning of this
• 1:10:48
  interaction. I don't think it's, I think it's
• 1:10:51
  flawed assessments, I thought there was this way in the dryer.
• 1:10:57
  One can make more Rings, best friends, whatever it is there
• 1:10:59
  something? That's not fair.
• 1:11:08
  So gracious would have been different and I can tell you
• 1:11:13
  just for being a country. Bumpkin like myself, that cold
• 1:11:17
  climates affect the growth of green cell that happened when it
• 1:11:22
  comes to. The same thing is going to
• 1:11:24
  happen to extreme cold, weathers, I don't disagree.
• 1:11:31
  When it comes to dendrology MC, man.
• 1:11:33
  A time. A one-year ring just expended
• 1:11:36
  over 3 years. Grayson.
• 1:11:38
  Does that make sense? That brother what I'm telling
• 1:11:44
  you? Hold on, hold on, know how they
• 1:11:46
  grow. Okay.
• 1:11:49
  Look that's, that's true to an extent, okay?
• 1:11:52
  But what if you're missing the point?
• 1:11:53
  We don't have records that go past.
• 1:11:56
  What is it? Like, I think it's three
• 1:11:58
  thousand years. We have a dendrologist record of
• 1:12:02
  how the Rings grow. You're over here, two thousand
• 1:12:06
  years because of the, of the same cuts that we have out of
• 1:12:09
  certain tree pouring and it's true.
• 1:12:12
  The rate does get affected by the weather by which the Rings
• 1:12:16
  are formed, right? So it's not consistent as one
• 1:12:21
  ring per year. It doesn't work like that.
• 1:12:23
  But we have a record that goes back that far because of the
• 1:12:27
  written record of, when the that she was cut.
• 1:12:30
  So we can compare those rings with the record that we have.
• 1:12:34
  And that's what gives us a rat, an accurate record, but it only
• 1:12:37
  goes back so far. This is the same thing you said
• 1:12:43
  about the New York or they drilled and ice and stuff that
• 1:12:46
  they were so. So each letter was a year but
• 1:12:48
  then they did, they find WWII bombers that landed on this
• 1:12:51
  island in very cold under under the feet of ice.
• 1:12:55
  How is that working? Is nicknamed the land in the
• 1:12:58
  40s? Needs a phone or something?
• 1:13:01
  I brought this up with you. I missed your stomping.
• 1:13:08
  Proverbs we are, but I'd like to see what Claudia and Rex has
• 1:13:12
  with this. How do you explain the NSYNC
• 1:13:15
  compatibility of the reproduction system through all
• 1:13:18
  these? The speciation that you speak of
• 1:13:27
  You have to stay one more time so they have a good
• 1:13:30
  understanding of what you said. I'll try to put it and how is it
• 1:13:40
  that the female in the mail or remaining compatible with each
• 1:13:43
  other? You do realize that if the penis
• 1:13:46
  is too small to big or its abstract, whatever is going on,
• 1:13:50
  it's not going to be able to meet bee species will not
• 1:13:53
  continue to exist. So how is it that we as a
• 1:13:57
  species changes, they seem to stay female and male in sync
• 1:14:01
  with each other for billions of years.
• 1:14:05
  I don't know but you are wrong, but obviously it it does take a
• 1:14:24
  long time. So the changes of mind, you tend
• 1:14:27
  to begin with those pieces can still reproduce and then the new
• 1:14:31
  species can reproduce as well, and then they can no longer
• 1:14:36
  reproduce with the old one. Say, even if we were to give any
• 1:14:43
  kind of credibility to Evolution.
• 1:14:45
  How could you argue that? It's a random process.
• 1:14:48
  If two different entities, a female and male are, staying
• 1:14:53
  compatible to every metamorphosis they go through,
• 1:14:56
  and every transition they somehow seem to in sync with
• 1:14:59
  each other, so they can reproduce That seems to me to be
• 1:15:04
  a very goal-oriented process. How do you explain that?
• 1:15:08
  And also, on top of that symbiotic relationships, I
• 1:15:15
  cannot explain that bad once again and ask for the problem
• 1:15:29
  with that is 2 years from. Now we have to invite him back
• 1:15:32
  on the show to correct everything he told us that was
• 1:15:35
  incorrect from two years prior that is the beauty of science,
• 1:15:39
  it changes if the evidence changes and I think that's
• 1:15:42
  beautiful if it's confusing and chaotic and flood completely
• 1:15:48
  flawed and include you like it like that on your name.
• 1:15:57
  How do you make a nether Quest from the audience Dean would
• 1:16:03
  like for us, please? Okay, you guys, you dirty rats.
• 1:16:15
  I called him and let me know if you can count America or Chicago
• 1:16:21
  America. I didn't want no card was
• 1:16:28
  America, American living well, because, you know, I go to
• 1:16:42
  school and my parents were catholic, but we never talked
• 1:16:47
  about So I got to the school and going to walk slowly up the hill
• 1:16:54
  and sister Benita. I never forget it cuz I was sick
• 1:16:58
  and she said what do you want or not?
• 1:17:00
  I say where my parents sent me here to the school.
• 1:17:03
  So she very rough draft person. And she said, well, if you want
• 1:17:10
  to come here or you going to be a good little boy, will you be a
• 1:17:13
  good little boy? You're not?
• 1:17:14
  Well, I could look after and I see this this fellow nailed to a
• 1:17:19
  cross, and I think I said Lee is going to be a good boy.
• 1:17:22
  So that was my funny Thursday at the school and went on very,
• 1:17:30
  very much. Like she says, what do you know
• 1:17:34
  about God? I don't know why she says well
• 1:17:38
  looks like we have an idea still and I didn't even know what
• 1:17:42
  atheist was then. But anyway, she says, let me
• 1:17:45
  tell you. God is God laws, and God will
• 1:17:50
  always be and the closer watch, what does that mean?
• 1:17:54
  And so she says, what is the father of your son is the Holy
• 1:17:58
  Ghost is 3 + 1. Do you understand?
• 1:18:02
  Well, of course, I don't understand.
• 1:18:04
  You know, I'm, I'm six pick up the theological question in the
• 1:18:09
  world, so I being a cursory. Yes, and she says that doesn't
• 1:18:22
  mean because you stop seeing me is not here, and I think it's
• 1:18:28
  very confusing and it's in the cupboard.
• 1:18:35
  The under the stairs, he's not under the stairs, he is here
• 1:18:39
  with us now, she says he's Upstairs Downstairs.
• 1:18:44
  Everywhere. Do you love me?
• 1:18:46
  I don't know. I've never seen them.
• 1:18:49
  She says God loves you. And he wants you a lot, and if
• 1:18:54
  you don't give them your love, he's going to cost you into a
• 1:18:57
  lake of everlasting fun. And I got what, and you should
• 1:19:02
  have you ever been to self lunch with the candle?
• 1:19:05
  It was quite. Can you imagine the pain all
• 1:19:10
  over your body? That's what will happen to you.
• 1:19:12
  If you do not love him and immediately I'm cuz I said I
• 1:19:15
  love him and so you know that that's how I'm pulling our leg,
• 1:19:24
  right? See you tell me when you were
• 1:19:28
  forced into it. Oh well probably because I was
• 1:19:32
  trying to let you know as well as a job you know that's what
• 1:19:36
  happened before being and I wonder how I wonder how children
• 1:19:44
  feel whenever they're sitting at a desk in school and they're
• 1:19:47
  being told that they're they're basically nothing more than a
• 1:19:50
  monkey goo that came out a slug that came out of the pond that
• 1:19:54
  their life has no objective, meaning and purpose.
• 1:19:56
  And the love is nothing more than a chemical.
• 1:19:59
  I wonder what that does to the the mind and heart of a child
• 1:20:03
  who who believes that if they try hard enough, that their life
• 1:20:07
  will have some kind of substance good.
• 1:20:09
  But no, it's it's, it's all determined goo and snot on a
• 1:20:12
  rock. I wonder what that it's 11:00.
• 1:20:15
  Yeah. Just leave it leads to that
• 1:20:19
  leads to a mindset. That what does it even matter?
• 1:20:24
  Young people's heart is so devalued human life.
• 1:20:32
  That murder and mass murder is increased beyond what we could
• 1:20:37
  have ever imagined off of a battlefield.
• 1:20:39
  And it perfectly just correlates with when we started teaching
• 1:20:45
  children that they had no value and they were basically a
• 1:20:48
  coincidental accident. No.
• 1:20:51
  What about the Crusades? The Crusades 1 hour restaurants
• 1:20:57
  give me a break. But me and her and I should have
• 1:21:11
  before I don't believe, I believe they're created and
• 1:21:16
  sustained for the strippers will turn people away just like
• 1:21:18
  Claude scaring them when they're little.
• 1:21:20
  And then what about the French Revolution buddy?
• 1:21:28
  What about the French Revolution?
• 1:21:31
  Viva La chop your head off in a guillotine.
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  I'll tell you one thing, I'd rather have had some Monarch
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  surrounded by. You had a few people, keep their
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  head, and they hate each other over there.
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  That was ridiculous. Thank you.
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  Miss your problems. Can you get rid of revolver
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  burning? He is a known full four years.
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  Sure. And I appreciate it.
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  Was it will work into it. If you don't mind I'd like to
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  ask you a question Claude and Rex, I don't know if you knew
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  this, if you want to do a search real quick, if you can.
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  I talked to Proverbs about this, I think you know that according
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  to Stats atheist have the highest substance abuse rate the
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  most drugs or alcohol issues. And on top of that, they have
• 1:22:36
  the highest suicide rate over all religions combined, why is
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  this? You think I was not going to
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  assume you're telling the truth or can I research that?
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  Cuz it does not sound right on. That's on that topic.
• 1:22:56
  That Darth guy that was on the previous stream.
• 1:23:03
  You remember how I remember him? Which stars?
• 1:23:06
  Are you talking about the actual Darth Dawkins I couldn't help
• 1:23:15
  but think you know with his profile picture with a thorn
• 1:23:19
  with a with a gun pointed at you and saying, pray like the only
• 1:23:24
  thing that was going through my head is What would that guy say
• 1:23:31
  about Columbine? Cuz of that that profile picture
• 1:23:37
  just reminded me of whenever they were in the school whenever
• 1:23:43
  they were shooting at me and Brett made him like that speaker
• 1:23:54
  and not only is she wearing like, has the bang bang stick
• 1:23:58
  but he has, he has to get SS lightning bolts.
• 1:23:59
  I had to like publicly denounce that guy in the chat of herbs
• 1:24:05
  that value. And I've told Proverbs this a
• 1:24:07
  while back I've got extremely bad eyes until he was zoomed up
• 1:24:11
  on the screen. I couldn't even make out the
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  picture. I could see that the girl's
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  face, but all the other stuff was blurry to me until it was
• 1:24:18
  assumed up, but not Proverbs took care of that guy in the
• 1:24:21
  mouth. He gave him way too much time,
• 1:24:25
  but yeah, that guy was a total waste of time. 40 minutes to
• 1:24:36
  answer the question and his answer was chaos, chaos.
• 1:24:39
  Like some apologist Andy. If he has, he has a script out
• 1:24:51
  there. They wants to get you on so that
• 1:24:53
  your trapped is sort of a dialogue script that I love tree
• 1:24:55
  and you got me on it briefly and it's just, it's just like, it's
• 1:24:59
  not even a good is not even a good script is, it's really not
• 1:25:03
  he, and he goes nowhere. Once you once you get to the end
• 1:25:08
  of it and it goes nowhere, you learned very quickly that a lot
• 1:25:11
  of these atheist. they intend to just pair it what they hear
• 1:25:17
  other people say and then once you start asking all the
• 1:25:21
  questions, they completely fall apart, they completely fall
• 1:25:27
  apart and you realize that they have no actual Substitute
• 1:25:34
  original thought in in, there it is very obvious.
• 1:25:38
  It's it's unfortunately, very obvious and it wasn't even
• 1:25:42
  entertaining for the other 80 is in there.
• 1:25:43
  Cuz they're my dude, just get to the point, just get to the point
• 1:25:46
  and when he got to the point and just was like, it was like,
• 1:25:49
  nonsense, you know, it's just a total waste of time.
• 1:25:51
  But, you know, the thing about it was mandated, just like, all
• 1:25:57
  I was thinking about was in in, in Columbine, Whenever there was
• 1:26:01
  that young girl And they asked the dudes who are perpetrating
• 1:26:06
  it Nasser, you know, D believe in God.
• 1:26:09
  And she said, yeah, and then they took her out.
• 1:26:12
  Send a message with his Avatar, just kind of reminded me in it.
• 1:26:17
  It's, I don't know. Sometimes I think these people
• 1:26:20
  are like sick and they don't they don't even understand how
• 1:26:25
  How deep the stuff goes. And, you know, what's even more?
• 1:26:28
  Sad is most of the school shootings, if not, all of them,
• 1:26:32
  are usually either done by someone who is Godless or
• 1:26:36
  someone who's transgender of that issue.
• 1:26:39
  It's, it's never in all the time of humanity, have you ever heard
• 1:26:44
  and a Christian School, something like that happening.
• 1:26:47
  I'm in his lost a lot of Christians.
• 1:26:51
  Go to a school outside. I want a wife.
• 1:27:03
  You've heard of anything like that and just start shooting
• 1:27:07
  people. You've heard of him going to the
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  daycare is high schools, all this kind of stuff, but you
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  rarely. I don't see much news about a
• 1:27:16
  Christian actually going into a Christian school or being a
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  student. And then, that happening, shut
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  up. Claude, I saw the comment that
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  that was left at about the report.
• 1:27:32
  I thought it's just dusting, and I can take a personal link
• 1:27:37
  something that says, you're wrong about statistics.
• 1:27:39
  However, I have no doubt that there is a report out there that
• 1:27:41
  says, you are correct. But the first one that came
• 1:27:43
  across was from, I couldn't find any solid number to the airport.
• 1:27:47
  I just rather there's nothing there.
• 1:27:50
  I looked at it, there's nothing there.
• 1:27:53
  I'm down to the results. And I even went below the
• 1:27:57
  results, and I still couldn't identify the actual statistics
• 1:28:00
  compared to other religions. Doesn't prove anything.
• 1:28:15
  Right over all the religions, combined and substance abuse
• 1:28:19
  issues. There's also this is a positive
• 1:28:22
  staff to state that. Those who believe in God,
• 1:28:25
  Believers and God live longer happier more joyous lies.
• 1:28:30
  Why do you think this is? Is it because one group believes
• 1:28:35
  that there's purpose and meaning in their life and the other
• 1:28:38
  group is being told that they're slugs from the moment that they
• 1:28:41
  become sentient and if they have no objective, meaning or purpose
• 1:28:45
  and there's no future for them whatsoever.
• 1:28:47
  What is that going to do to a child?
• 1:28:49
  Think about it. To their my house or what can I
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  do? Are y'all doing?
• 1:29:03
  I'm pretty good. How are you read?
• 1:29:05
  How are you all? We've been having conversations
• 1:29:08
  about Evolution school shootings, you know?
• 1:29:11
  The usual. How you doing?
• 1:29:12
  What you been up to? I woke up this morning.
• 1:29:15
  I'm blessed day above ground is a good day.
• 1:29:19
  You got a question for you told them that cute story about what
• 1:29:26
  it was like to be in 6 years old.
• 1:29:28
  And how you were asking is God in the cupboards is gone, in the
• 1:29:31
  bread bun, is got upstairs and all this.
• 1:29:34
  Do you believe that the Universe exists all around you, can you
• 1:29:40
  see the entirety of the universe?
• 1:29:42
  We can actually see quite a few light-years into the distance of
• 1:29:50
  the James Webb one. So you do believe that it's
• 1:29:55
  possible for something to be absolutely Superior in grande
• 1:29:59
  size compared to you yet. You're not able to see the
• 1:30:03
  Parody of it but it's still there, right?
• 1:30:06
  It's still there. The known universe we can
• 1:30:11
  actually say yes billions and billions of light-years across
• 1:30:20
  you can't see at all how we've had asteroids and meteorites fly
• 1:30:25
  past the planet. We miss him.
• 1:30:26
  I we don't see him until after they left.
• 1:30:29
  That's how bad it is. In polymer technology.
• 1:30:32
  We are getting better but we still need work.
• 1:30:35
  Well I asteroids smaller than a Galaxy for example but it's easy
• 1:30:43
  to see a Galaxy S. I agree.
• 1:30:46
  Can see a Galaxy to find out. If I see that Christians are
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  quite a few one. I have left the church because
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  of sexual abuse. So you know, How do you react to
• 1:31:08
  that one didn't end? Well, I would have to throw up
• 1:31:11
  if they have the dates, I would say that an atheist countries.
• 1:31:14
  They have the highest child, foreign distribution.
• 1:31:16
  How do you explain that with start with in Mark?
• 1:31:19
  Sure. What's up?
• 1:31:21
  The guy that I banned from the chat is trying to get into the
• 1:31:27
  room? Should I just take him?
• 1:31:29
  Yeah, he'll just start coming in and run his mouth.
• 1:31:33
  He's a hater. What do you mean?
• 1:31:41
  So you're telling me that the gravity of some sexual, this
• 1:31:45
  deviance is different from child-porn.
• 1:31:47
  What are you saying? I mean, if you really want my
• 1:31:53
  honest opinion, whether a person claims to be religious, are
• 1:31:57
  there an atheist, and they are in the process or they hurt a
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  child. I think that they should both
• 1:32:03
  receive the same fate. Absolute destruction.
• 1:32:06
  That's where I come from. I don't care what they labeled
• 1:32:09
  himself even have my non-Christian agreeance.
• 1:32:15
  So you going to throw around the district's when it suits.
• 1:32:21
  But Here We Are One in ten young Christians have left, the church
• 1:32:25
  abuse. And many of these people may,
• 1:32:30
  you know what card you won the argument.
• 1:32:32
  You've won the argument, man, your points are undefeatable.
• 1:32:36
  Shut up. Shut up, dude.
• 1:32:41
  Give us an opportunity to ever get anywhere in the
• 1:32:54
  conversation. Yeah, I threw out Staff first
• 1:32:58
  and klaudia. He's trying to hit back with
• 1:33:00
  some of his own stuff. That's fine with me.
• 1:33:02
  It's not cause me any kind of animosity or angered do whatever
• 1:33:06
  you got to do there, but you do, if you could, if you don't mind
• 1:33:10
  the joke about Jesus and God and all that, that wasn't very cute.
• 1:33:14
  Can you work on that? Or at least try to be funny
• 1:33:16
  about something different? Who am I?
• 1:33:20
  I don't know what you're referring to.
• 1:33:24
  A God in the cupboard, all that stuff that you were going on
• 1:33:27
  when you are a child. You your texting is very
• 1:33:32
  literally and you know when I was told about God I want to
• 1:33:37
  know where he was. He was told you, I used
• 1:33:38
  everywhere and you ask that. And of course, the nun is very
• 1:33:42
  grumpy and yelling at me back because that's what they were
• 1:33:46
  like. So is that side of him and
• 1:33:49
  became a non-believer? Because you feel as though, you
• 1:33:52
  once you spend most money for 2020 years, I suppose.
• 1:34:01
  But would you be able to give me, some scientific reasons are
• 1:34:05
  arguments and why it is that you don't believe that God is
• 1:34:08
  compatible with the universe. Well, thank God could be
• 1:34:12
  compatible with the end of this but what I need is the
• 1:34:15
  scientific proof that that the God exists and that's what I
• 1:34:19
  don't find on. I'm looking for which God?
• 1:34:23
  Is there a god? That's the question you asked,
• 1:34:26
  if you believe that God is compatible with the universe,
• 1:34:37
  can you explain why you feel that way.
• 1:34:40
  What I mean is that I can't rule out?
• 1:34:43
  I got you believe in the possibility of a God damn.
• 1:34:49
  It is a possibility of course because he's not actually in the
• 1:34:57
  possibility of them but I think I think it's because the people
• 1:35:03
  atheist because they don't see enough proof.
• 1:35:05
  I mean if suddenly this big boys in the sky said that I am God.
• 1:35:10
  I think we do believe. Alright, fair enough.
• 1:35:16
  You mind, if I ask you a hypothetical, I think I asking
• 1:35:20
  you this. But I'm, he's more than welcome.
• 1:35:21
  My love hearing her opinion and views on things as well, and I'm
• 1:35:24
  glad to hear Claudia. If you were to wake up tomorrow,
• 1:35:28
  find yourself in a dark room and there were two doors up against
• 1:35:32
  the wall. And one door said this is the
• 1:35:35
  universe to Jesus Christ. If you walk through it, and shut
• 1:35:39
  the door behind you that becomes your reality or there's the
• 1:35:42
  other door that says this is a universe with absolutely no God.
• 1:35:46
  And this is, the reality will become.
• 1:35:48
  If you go to the door, which one would you choose?
• 1:35:52
  Oh, I got, I don't know if there was an heaven and eternal life
• 1:36:00
  and with some very pleasant people would probably choose
• 1:36:04
  some of the Christian. I know I don't want to be with
• 1:36:07
  him for the rest of my life, that's for sure and they
• 1:36:11
  probably don't want to be with me either.
• 1:36:14
  Yeah, I thought so complicated to ask.
• 1:36:17
  I saw that you unmuted. Did you have sudden I over in
• 1:36:27
  the morning and see you another day.
• 1:36:28
  Thank you for coming in. It was awesome.
• 1:36:32
  Having a chat with you. I'm sorry if you felt any
• 1:36:35
  offense whatsoever, I can take these things, you know, we have
• 1:36:40
  to be able to talk Not yet, questions for clogged
• 1:36:53
  about is that I'm really curious about the people who go through
• 1:36:56
  a pink, what they called Christians and then they leave
• 1:36:59
  and decide that they need proof. Now for a guy, but you do have
• 1:37:03
  another play the astonishing. Dang, wallet, to be honest with
• 1:37:10
  you, I did tell you earlier that whenever I became a
• 1:37:13
  non-believer, it was based upon tragedies and drama and all
• 1:37:16
  that, it does happen. A person's heart can get broken
• 1:37:21
  into using all the stuff and then you know, young person
• 1:37:33
  dealing with that. I ended up going towards
• 1:37:35
  secularism. It's probably a life.
• 1:37:43
  We see how easily they are two different things.
• 1:37:46
  I think that's part of it as well.
• 1:37:47
  It seems like whenever they hit College agent working for the
• 1:37:54
  belief in God and yourself but you know that God is a personal
• 1:37:57
  relationship is not. Someone telling you that you and
• 1:38:00
  you're part of the family of God, you got it.
• 1:38:09
  I, And this gets complicated because I did people Challenge
• 1:38:14
  and whether the scene even exist.
• 1:38:16
  But I was a former Chu. People are challenging you
• 1:38:22
  aren't, if you were former, do you know that's the first thing
• 1:38:25
  that's weird. When I was 13 that, you know, I
• 1:38:39
  do the bar Bat Mitzvah and then I no longer have to do anyting
• 1:38:44
  Michigan. And when you were thirteen, you
• 1:38:48
  came to the understanding that if there wasn't a God, you don't
• 1:38:50
  believe that any God that your parents believe in God.
• 1:39:01
  A kid is rich. Yeah, Rex is a cat Did you eat?
• 1:39:09
  I'm sorry. I asked about yourself but I
• 1:39:13
  stopped caring I would say or was apathetic to it.
• 1:39:25
  It wasn't until probably my twenties into my thirties, that
• 1:39:32
  really started to question God. And then I would say, have
• 1:39:38
  knowledge. The certain gods don't exist
• 1:39:40
  play. How old are you now?
• 1:39:45
  I'm in my mid-30s was recently you'd say.
• 1:39:52
  And so now it's been like a decade but it definitely
• 1:40:01
  wouldn't have been that way when I was 19 or 20.
• 1:40:06
  Could you see on you say, maybe the group that you were hanging
• 1:40:09
  out with friends had a impact on what you believe?
• 1:40:17
  Maybe, but I had oddly enough. I had two sets of friends.
• 1:40:22
  I didn't notice this until much later in life, but I had a set
• 1:40:26
  of Jewish friends in a set of public school friend.
• 1:40:38
  They all were almost into all the same stuff we were all
• 1:40:41
  inside. You know, it was the era that
• 1:40:44
  Pokemon first came out. And so you know, but I think
• 1:40:50
  that most of my opinions on religion.
• 1:40:53
  Now come from, a theological perspective, come from looking
• 1:40:59
  at these arguments looking at the co-op agency argument.
• 1:41:04
  Looking at Pascal's wager, moral arguments.
• 1:41:08
  I think after you took a look at all of these, none of them are
• 1:41:14
  really satisfactory. All of them seem to be trying to
• 1:41:19
  Grass that are mine, that doesn't want to completely talk
• 1:41:23
  with us anymore. Used to do Miracles but now
• 1:41:26
  cameras are invented and so doesn't really want to do them
• 1:41:30
  anymore. And so we have to make these
• 1:41:32
  apologetic Arguments for Judaism Christianity.
• 1:41:38
  Do you think that everything has to be recorded on a camera to
• 1:41:42
  order to be Miracles with that camera came around?
• 1:41:52
  And so, you don't know. I think, I think we're events
• 1:42:04
  happened. Rare events happen all the time,
• 1:42:07
  but it an actual Miracle now. So you don't think those rare
• 1:42:11
  events could coincide with the Miracles.
• 1:42:16
  I do not know how do you explain sudden turnarounds in cancer?
• 1:42:21
  Cancer goes into remission all the time.
• 1:42:23
  My body is consistently trying to fight it.
• 1:42:27
  Elizabeth Spencer, runaway mutation affect everybody.
• 1:42:30
  Can you guys do me a favor? So your transitions not
• 1:42:45
  considered a miracle. Science cost, buddy at the
• 1:42:51
  pharmacy, I guess therapy, but that's covered by Insurance.
• 1:42:55
  That's a whole different political thing, but America,
• 1:43:01
  the land of giving money to middlemen.
• 1:43:04
  I am are the only place you can do what you're doing without
• 1:43:08
  being thrown off a building. But England Ireland, Scotland,
• 1:43:15
  Norway religious countries. Are you want to do the opposite
• 1:43:20
  Iraq? Iran fundamentalist abrahamic,
• 1:43:24
  religions will throw you off a building.
• 1:43:26
  I feel like that should be like a t-shirt, but the Muslims You
• 1:43:36
  don't think that happens in Canada.
• 1:43:39
  That you don't think that that happens in Canada.
• 1:43:42
  You don't think that the transgenders don't get thrown
• 1:43:45
  off of buildings in Canada. That doesn't happen.
• 1:43:48
  It happens. They just throw what was it the
• 1:43:52
  other day? The other day, the other day, I
• 1:43:54
  was watching it. A news report about a bunch of
• 1:43:57
  people that gained up on a transgender and threw them on a
• 1:44:00
  train track. That happens.
• 1:44:03
  It happens everywhere, but happy.
• 1:44:04
  So it's now from a building know, there's not a lot of
• 1:44:11
  difference, you're going to die either way, off the train, off a
• 1:44:15
  building. I just grabbed back glass of
• 1:44:24
  chocolate milk pairing this to Dustin and Amy.
• 1:44:29
  She's saying that the bad things only happen in like abrahamic,
• 1:44:33
  religions cards countries that know that happens all over the
• 1:44:37
  world. Okay, it's it's Maria right now.
• 1:44:41
  No I said they throw that happens in Islam.
• 1:44:54
  Stating Middle East, I guess I didn't catch that been sitting
• 1:45:00
  here for like 5 minutes. We were doing Miracles and
• 1:45:03
  talking about how there wasn't cameras for Moses and then
• 1:45:06
  suddenly people are getting thrown on the train track.
• 1:45:08
  And what what the hell is the problem is the identity politics
• 1:45:17
  is, right? Right now or I would say the
• 1:45:20
  reactionary side because we have gotten everything.
• 1:45:23
  We want like a marriage Trans in the military.
• 1:45:26
  There's no more cautious for The fight for the reactionaries are
• 1:45:31
  now trying to make a push. It's the, you know.
• 1:45:34
  So, what I'm trying to say is it went quickly to my gender and
• 1:45:38
  now we're off of buildings and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:45:41
  I know, I like talking about that subject but that's, you
• 1:45:44
  know, I just, I was just asking, if you may be considered medical
• 1:45:49
  breakthrough at all, possibly a miracle.
• 1:45:52
  I mean, where is their medical breakthroughs?
• 1:45:54
  But the two are not related in any way.
• 1:45:57
  I mean, I think that's a little bias.
• 1:46:00
  Do you think it's a medical miracle?
• 1:46:05
  I think the fact that you're being relieved of one major
• 1:46:08
  issue in your life is a medical miracle.
• 1:46:10
  Sure. So do you think Prozac for the
• 1:46:14
  people who is a good thing created by science?
• 1:46:19
  But I mean like a miracle as in something that defies the laws
• 1:46:23
  of nature. Hold on, bro.
• 1:46:30
  What would happen? Dustin one second are you still
• 1:46:34
  there? I'm here.
• 1:46:37
  I'm just let him talk. Okay?
• 1:46:39
  Alright, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't letting you get
• 1:46:42
  out of the realm that you wanted it cuz it's your show, but you
• 1:46:49
  ain't what happens me off, bro. Finish your point and then
• 1:47:03
  Brett, you got it. So you're saying that without
• 1:47:07
  the medical intervention. What's the natural course of an?
• 1:47:12
  They're going to die, right? The natural course of an is that
• 1:47:16
  they are going to die earlier and die, more often and more
• 1:47:22
  painfully. So, the extension of life in
• 1:47:26
  your mind is in? No way, coral, a double to a
• 1:47:30
  miracle. That's interesting.
• 1:47:38
  Absolutely. I think whenever man in that
• 1:47:43
  well there's two ways you can look at it.
• 1:47:46
  It's either. Medical intervention is
• 1:47:49
  discovered or its indent. In either case, you have to be
• 1:47:53
  guided. Well, I'm okay with guys and
• 1:47:58
  teachers, I'm okay with experts I just don't think that's a
• 1:48:03
  supernatural event. You're talking about two
• 1:48:06
  different types of guidance. I think that's why was wind up
• 1:48:13
  going out and try to respond to something Amy and put forth.
• 1:48:16
  You said something that exists outside the laws of nature.
• 1:48:19
  Well, the universe according to the theory of the big bang.
• 1:48:24
  That is something that came into existence outside of the laws of
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  nature would the universe be considered a miracle to you.
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  Well the term came into existence, I'm not sure if
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  Universe did come into existence, it may have actually
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  been Eternal. It may have been that is going
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  to learn, I don't know. It could be either way.
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  We can we can go as far back as the Planck time but it could be
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  multiverses. It could be it was just a single
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  Eternal universe and you can't have time, you can't have it
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  before. You can't have it begins.
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  This is where everything is good, but the common belief was
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  scientist has that the Universe had a beginning through Einstein
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  and Dimitri the Catholic. And if that's the case, that
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  means nature at a beginning than the consequence of it was
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  natural law. So therefore there was a point
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  or in the vent and the universe where time space matter did not
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  exist. It would be a miracle by your
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  logic. I am not sure the time and space
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  cannot exist. I would say that you have to
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  have an expansion have anything. However, I wouldn't know what
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  anything before that is. I don't know how we could
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  because without expansion without an ABC, you only have an
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  AA and na everything is on the same spot.
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  You can I have time. I hear what you saying.
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  But the concept is that from a singularity, the universe
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  expanded outwards and threw that all nature and all of reality
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  came into existence. And that's how the laws of
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  nature came into existence. Has to the consequence of
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  results of nature. Therefore the very beginning,
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  the very existence and construction, the universe is
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  Miracle by your lawn. Once again, I don't know what
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  your meaning by a miracle, as in defying the laws of nature, it
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  could be that, that is all there is, there is nothing outside.
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  There is nothing beyond the laws of nature.
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  That's if you speculate, you're saying that, you think that the
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  Universe might be eternally, even though it's commonly
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  believed by scientists have a beginning.
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  When you say commonly a beginning, do you mean commonly
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  scientist physicists believe in the Big Bang because they
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  believe in the Big Bang but they're not going to say that is
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  the beginning and there are outside says it will say if a
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  Multiverse exists then yes, this is our local universe and dusted
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  is nested within a larger Hub of the universe.
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  Proverbs, have you ever seen the documentary of Stephen Hawking?
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  You know, one of the guys who wanted the basically put the big
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  bang for the test. I've seen one of them, you know
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  what he said? You know what he said when he
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  was sitting at the table, with his Christian wife, whatever, he
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  realize that Einstein was right in the universe, had a
• 1:51:34
  beginning, he actually looked over at his wife, one of the
• 1:51:37
  biggest hardcore atheist. You can imagine and said, honey,
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  it looks like Gods back in business.
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  That's harsh. Amy.
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  I have a question for you. You say that you don't know if
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  the creation of the universe is a miracle that you're dead set
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  on medical breakthrough as not having anything to do with a
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  miracle. If you claim ignorance in one
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  category what makes you so certain about the medical
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  breakthroughs being completely independent of Miracle
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  intervention, I do not believe that the landing was a creation
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  event because of creation implies a Creator.
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  I do not believe that Universe has a Creator.
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  My question was about the medical intervention.
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  What makes you so certain that medical interventions are not
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  miracles? Because they consistently in
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  real Lively work through pure review.
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  That's how a medicine is different, from alternative
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  medicine, because we're able to things forward and able to
• 1:52:47
  actually see if they heal a specific disease.
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  Are you saying that in order for a miracle to be a miracle that
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  can only work once after decomposition on that
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  biologically? Does not make sense?
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  That that's not even that's not even close to what I'm talking
• 1:53:15
  about it and you're changing the subject.
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  I don't know. I'm asking you.
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  Now, now I'm asking you about medical in for interventions and
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  their relation to Miracles. How are you certain in your mind
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  that the discovery of penicillin wasn't a miracle by some
• 1:53:36
  intervention? Because it was another organism.
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  Why do you think it was a miracle?
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  We were able to use the byproducts of a organism to
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  react and kill multiple other organisms.
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  In our body is not a miracle, it's science.
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  So you're saying that it that that that doesn't make that's a
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  non sequitur, Amy what you're saying right now doesn't make
• 1:54:02
  sense. You're saying that that science
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  is it is a placeholder for a miracle, right?
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  That's no. You can't substitute one for the
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  other that doesn't make sense and I don't know something
• 1:54:15
  something happened. Therefore it was a miracle.
• 1:54:19
  Neither did the guy who was experimenting with the spores,
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  he just saw the result that was an action.
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  Go ahead, thank you sir. Amy if you don't mind, I find it
• 1:54:35
  fascinating. But I rarely find an atheist who
• 1:54:41
  has an identical viewpoint on the explanation for the Big Bang
• 1:54:45
  and from what you described earlier, it did sound like a
• 1:54:49
  brand-new explanation to me and I was wondering if you could
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  just reiterate your understanding of the big bang
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  for us and then we'll go from there.
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  Sure. So the Big Bang very
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  specifically is an expansion event as far back in space-time
• 1:55:06
  as we can tell because opposite of dark energy, see how
• 1:55:11
  everything is being repulsed. We can trace that back all the
• 1:55:16
  way back in time to. What is playing time?
• 1:55:19
  Playing time is the furthest within a 1 second break down
• 1:55:23
  actually breaking that up to see how far back we can go but the
• 1:55:27
  expansion of vent because of this that allows us to have
• 1:55:30
  space-time space-time is connected wherever you have
• 1:55:34
  space. You have a point in time where
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  ever you are in time, you have a point in space.
• 1:55:40
  And so from this expansion event we have the formation of the
• 1:55:48
  universe has started with hydrogen and helium.
• 1:55:50
  A little bit of lithium hydrogen coalesced into our first Stars.
• 1:55:54
  The universe eventually did turn on millions and billions of
• 1:55:59
  years. Later.
• 1:56:00
  And then eventually those live died and it's got space.
• 1:56:05
  Com wrong is space.com. Wrong leading explanation for
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  how the universe begun. Okay, let's do.
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  I keep bothering Amy you, what you've mentioned, like, three
• 1:56:21
  times time and my crack your speaking of Max Planck, right?
• 1:56:29
  If you wouldn't mind, I'd like to share something with you
• 1:56:33
  about Max Planck. He was quoted in his book for
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  saying both religion and science require a belief in God for
• 1:56:41
  believers. God is in the beginning, a
• 1:56:43
  physicist, he is the end of all considerations to the former.
• 1:56:47
  He is the foundation to the ladder, the crown of the edifice
• 1:56:51
  of every generalize worldview. There can never be any real
• 1:56:54
  opposition between religion and Science and the one is it to
• 1:56:58
  complement the other every serious and reflective person
• 1:57:01
  realizes. I think that the religious
• 1:57:04
  element in his nature must be recognized and cultivated if all
• 1:57:08
  powers of the human soul, or to act together in perfect balance
• 1:57:12
  and Harmony. And indeed, it was not by
• 1:57:14
  accident that the greatest thinkers of all ages.
• 1:57:17
  Were deeply, religious Souls? That's Max.
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  Planck. The guy, you keep on bringing
• 1:57:21
  up, 4. And he firmly believed that the
• 1:57:25
  Universe was 13.8 billion years old.
• 1:57:29
  That Evolution was a fact framework that makes a theory
• 1:57:34
  and so he had very DS diffuse. He just wouldn't believe with
• 1:57:39
  any of the hayrick Havoc religions nor would he believe
• 1:57:41
  with young Earth creationism which he would probably think
• 1:57:44
  was you know, a little bit is 99% wrong.
• 1:57:48
  Why do you why do you say Dias that it clearly says in his book
• 1:57:53
  that he's a devout Lutheran, he was devout Lutheran of the
• 1:57:58
  Christian church. I'm getting this from John L
• 1:58:03
  hellbrunn and story on who characterized planks use as
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  theistic. What do you think is the class
• 1:58:13
  that does not believe in a personal God?
• 1:58:17
  Let alone a Christian? He was a devout Christian and he
• 1:58:25
  believed in a God that was interactive.
• 1:58:27
  Deism is a God that got the ball rolling but he's not
• 1:58:30
  interactive. This is his, his own book, a a
• 1:58:36
  God that who gets the ball rolling, who's not interactive?
• 1:58:39
  Do you know what? A type of God that's called
• 1:58:41
  definition of the very foundation of the concept of God
• 1:58:50
  and Christianity and Judaism as a god that is interactive and
• 1:58:55
  actually cares about the welfare of man.
• 1:58:57
  So I don't believe in that God, I think that God is
• 1:59:01
  demonstratively false. As much as I love you all, I
• 1:59:05
  think you should all have your freedom.
• 1:59:06
  I would fight and die for you to have your freedom to believe.
• 1:59:11
  And when I disagree with them the last time, don't you think
• 1:59:15
  it would be moral for you to fight for us?
• 1:59:18
  If you think that it's dangerous and religions of poison?
• 1:59:21
  That's because you are my friend.
• 1:59:24
  As all of you are my brothers and sisters and I believe in the
• 1:59:29
  non ad hominem way that you guys are in a cult.
• 1:59:34
  Where is the demonstration that God is false?
• 1:59:37
  Where's you said? It was demonstrative?
• 1:59:39
  Where is or we can talk about the brain in the mind.
• 1:59:49
  They would have to realize that this is going to be.
• 1:59:52
  This is going to be a topic that the brand in the mine.
• 1:59:56
  I've noticed. This is the new you atheist.
• 2:00:01
  Talking point. I thought I was going to bring
• 2:00:04
  this up earlier but a lot of each other a lot of 80s.
• 2:00:08
  This is there new tool here being good.
• 2:00:13
  So, Just I told him that I was able to experience, they are
• 2:00:26
  very arid from somebody or a mouthpiece, they heard, but Amy
• 2:00:31
  does come up with some of their own unique and original idea.
• 2:00:34
  So let's generalize Amy as a cool person.
• 2:00:40
  If I can say on the record Brett I've had and heard ideas.
• 2:00:46
  Theologically that I have thought of been fascinating and
• 2:00:51
  worth taking seriously. I wish Morpheus did.
• 2:00:56
  Well, thank you, I appreciate that.
• 2:00:58
  We just briefly and then we can go back to the topic or pick up
• 2:01:02
  on any topic. But how do you even know about
• 2:01:04
  this channel? How do I know about?
• 2:01:07
  I guess I've been discoursing back and forth with Bret for a
• 2:01:13
  little while now and so you know I view all of these online
• 2:01:19
  interactions as much as I would a real-life interaction.
• 2:01:24
  I really am trying to I'm interested in all of these
• 2:01:31
  topics. Like I said, I think that not
• 2:01:35
  only when I came across this position was a fascinating but I
• 2:01:39
  think that he you know is a freedom of speech kind of guy as
• 2:01:44
  well. As much as I have a lip ring, I
• 2:01:46
  very much of myself and so I have been on here.
• 2:01:57
  Well, I hope you're not going to provide anywhere that God has
• 2:02:02
  been demonstrated to be pulsing you because my method I have I
• 2:02:11
  have like a very informal way. I'll just say very quickly in
• 2:02:16
  that, I don't think of mine can exist without a brain and
• 2:02:20
  Consciousness needs a mine, a mine needs a brain.
• 2:02:23
  And I think all of those, a God, if it just has a mind and it has
• 2:02:29
  its lacks the top-level which is the physical substrate, the
• 2:02:33
  fancy word for it. Needs a substance for its attach
• 2:02:37
  onto. I don't know what it's doing and
• 2:02:39
  so that would have to be overcome, but then I will be in
• 2:02:46
  physical traits to a, to a non-physical being so, When you
• 2:02:54
  say physical traits, like when I imagine a brain, when I imagine
• 2:02:59
  a mind actually doing something like having a personal
• 2:03:04
  relationship that to me is something that happens in this
• 2:03:08
  physical world. So like I can't imagine a being
• 2:03:13
  that would want a personal relationship outside of time and
• 2:03:17
  space. What we've heard this argument
• 2:03:20
  already for Mark, Reid already about the body, but but we don't
• 2:03:27
  plan that is a physical being in this world so and you couldn't
• 2:03:32
  possibly know everything about whether there's a spiritual
• 2:03:34
  realm or not. You soon there's not but you
• 2:03:36
  can't prove there's no why people like myself.
• 2:03:43
  Another Skeptics rely on Experts.
• 2:03:46
  Yeah, you can see you're skeptical, that was to say
• 2:03:59
  there's not a spiritual that has a brain in.
• 2:04:04
  That example, it would have a silicone base at the top just
• 2:04:09
  like we are carbon-based life-forms.
• 2:04:11
  They would be a silicon-based life-form.
• 2:04:14
  That is generating of mine and Consciousness, spiritual being
• 2:04:23
  it has a brain. You just assuming it does
• 2:04:25
  because you don't understand anything really quickly.
• 2:04:30
  It's on 3%. I'm going to have to bounce out
• 2:04:32
  rather than I wanted it but we may be able to get into it.
• 2:04:46
  Hello. I'll be, I'll be balling out for
• 2:04:49
  a little bit. My camera will still be up
• 2:04:51
  there. I don't want to give you guys a
• 2:04:53
  opportunity, bill, speak to a me.
• 2:04:54
  If I stay in here at the same time, she's in here.
• 2:04:58
  I'll just want to keep talking to her and talk to her cuz I
• 2:05:00
  love her company. So I'm going to buy locked, cuz
• 2:05:02
  I think you guys are really into a good discussion with her.
• 2:05:05
  I'll be back here though. Stay right back. it's all just
• 2:05:14
  Theory because if you understand a Christian and you shouldn't be
• 2:05:18
  in that you were originally A Jewish typing believer in God
• 2:05:24
  where you ever actually believe. We're just, we're just going
• 2:05:29
  along with the program because your family was things.
• 2:05:33
  I went along with the program because that's what my family
• 2:05:35
  said but I thought everything that they said was true and I
• 2:05:40
  don't understand. Even if the time how they could
• 2:05:42
  be wrong Are your parents if I can still alive and they're
• 2:05:47
  still believers. and my mom is kind of a secular Jew, so she is
• 2:06:03
  Jewish, but she eats bacon and so it's kind of like she does
• 2:06:08
  the major holidays but that's about We weren't about to begin
• 2:06:14
  with. Just kind of like also playing,
• 2:06:15
  you know, that For whatever reason.
• 2:06:22
  I went through all that, as you're growing up, you will you
• 2:06:25
  fell away from understand that? There was a guy that to the fact
• 2:06:28
  you became an atheist and not just your knowledge that your
• 2:06:35
  group, that's it. I would say.
• 2:06:38
  So I think of it. I finally started to think about
• 2:06:43
  these subjects more. I hate to say it intellectual
• 2:06:47
  level, but I'll say that because I wasn't thinking about them on
• 2:06:51
  an intellectual level. And so you finally start to read
• 2:06:56
  the Bible, chapter 4 chapter, you start to see the things that
• 2:07:01
  maybe they missed. Maybe you had this Sunday school
• 2:07:03
  version of it, like, I remember the Moses story will forever
• 2:07:08
  have scarred me, just because They don't often talk about how
• 2:07:15
  often the god Harden, Pharaoh's heart, and I often get will all
• 2:07:22
  what was just one time he just broke.
• 2:07:24
  Pharaohs will free will one time and made him keep the slaves,
• 2:07:29
  but he didn't multiple times multiple multiple times.
• 2:07:33
  Did God re Harden, Pharaoh's heart after he tried to let the
• 2:07:39
  slaves. Go.
• 2:07:39
  And so, the only way I can take that is either a, they needed
• 2:07:45
  that for a plot device because we can't just let the bad guy go
• 2:07:50
  at the middle of the story. I mean, come on or be its
• 2:07:55
  literal, that really did happen and that's horrific.
• 2:07:57
  God is a genocide of maniac too much like a horror film with
• 2:08:05
  people's hearts and then after he makes these people go after
• 2:08:11
  other people, then they die. By themselves.
• 2:08:15
  It was very hard to find to you. You do not believe that Farrell
• 2:08:18
  was. He was already hardened and
• 2:08:20
  believing that he had. He was his own God, or he was so
• 2:08:24
  different. A different got her.
• 2:08:25
  Sorry, let's do Jews go. He says, very specific.
• 2:08:29
  Please let you know what? It's not even worth it.
• 2:08:31
  Just go get the hell out of here.
• 2:08:34
  Yeah, I mean before you say God says he's hardened his heart but
• 2:08:38
  this is true. The scripture that say this, but
• 2:08:41
  do you think Farrah was like just a benign?
• 2:08:44
  He didn't, you know, he was just like well there's a God or not I
• 2:08:47
  was he hard and already but his gravestone memes by believing in
• 2:08:51
  another guard Rob, whoever and not the true God of the Bible
• 2:08:54
  and that he kind of like just went along the path where he was
• 2:09:00
  I just wish it would you think, like, he was like innocent guy
• 2:09:03
  that got hardened car where Pharaoh had, like all his, you
• 2:09:09
  know, magicians come out. And, you know, this is the one
• 2:09:13
  snakes but like, I don't care which God he believes in because
• 2:09:18
  there was one, there was a god actually doing Plex real place
• 2:09:22
  on people. Killing firstborn Egyptians
• 2:09:24
  Sons. I mean, I can see you be
• 2:09:30
  horrified if I was able to do a guy walking around and he's like
• 2:09:33
  what I'm hard in this guy's card for whatever reason.
• 2:09:35
  There's a belief on predestination that kind of
• 2:09:38
  mercy. Be not killing him.
• 2:09:54
  Be letting him. Not chase.
• 2:09:56
  After the Jews, just letting the Jews go free having their own
• 2:10:00
  thing. And then the Pharaoh just lives
• 2:10:02
  to feed it because got his butt kicked.
• 2:10:06
  So we can do things, but I understand that we're all going
• 2:10:15
  to die. We're all going to space
• 2:10:17
  judgment in front of God and he'll have mercy on you, no
• 2:10:20
  matter what you did right here at the Christians, believe that
• 2:10:25
  Jesus Christ came and died for us on a cross and hisses shed.
• 2:10:28
  Blood is what I told Zach to God, right?
• 2:10:30
  So, you have to have mercy on people and even Pharaoh.
• 2:10:34
  If he wants to he can do, you could have mercy on him, right?
• 2:10:37
  So you don't like the horrified by something happens because
• 2:10:40
  we're all dying. We're all going to die.
• 2:10:42
  The fort and parties will be standing in judgment.
• 2:10:45
  What does God do that? And he said we got and he's
• 2:10:49
  going to, you know, you were such a surprise to you because
• 2:10:51
  of your scent. So, I can I get a person who's
• 2:10:56
  carnal minded won't understand past that because I believe that
• 2:11:05
  there's more right there, a life.
• 2:11:06
  After this, God has promised us eternal life, which is the most
• 2:11:11
  loving thing. You can have right, I was like
• 2:11:17
  I'll do a Jason maybe to that. Is I like I like unconditional
• 2:11:21
  love. Love without a condition.
• 2:11:23
  Yeah, I can understand it because I know that's what you
• 2:11:27
  want. Love unconditional love so much
• 2:11:35
  does back to the children being hairs of his kingdom and to me
• 2:11:39
  that's that's got to be the greatest love ever.
• 2:11:41
  I mean, the scripture says that I have not seen what God has
• 2:11:44
  prepared for us. So I don't know how you put up
• 2:11:48
  with this, right? That's supposed to be
• 2:11:50
  long-suffering and merciful From my view.
• 2:11:55
  He's not a good father figure. He this is his First time
• 2:12:02
  Universe, I'm not sure how else better to phrase it because I
• 2:12:07
  mean he gets it wrong and Adam and Eve from the get-go,
• 2:12:10
  basically gets the first six or seven days, right?
• 2:12:14
  And then at everything after that just goes, excuse the pun,
• 2:12:18
  but the hell. Yeah, I didn't see if we have
• 2:12:22
  this debate among ourselves that I don't believe that the 67
• 2:12:26
  days. When first, I believe, Adam and
• 2:12:27
  Eve in the garden refers and right away, then the result of
• 2:12:44
  Good and Evil, they were like a day or so old.
• 2:12:47
  And so these are basically babies that don't know
• 2:12:50
  everything. And the first time if you say
• 2:12:53
  don't touch this and you are solution.
• 2:12:55
  As a father figure is to throw them out of the house.
• 2:12:59
  I mean that's just Child Protective Services right there.
• 2:13:13
  Amazing, right, it's amazing. God, you do decide.
• 2:13:17
  You need to know you need to learn to learn to choose people
• 2:13:25
  so they just Very specifically you said reject evil but you
• 2:13:35
  don't know the difference between good and evil, the
• 2:13:43
  Creator that put them in. This Garden is wonderful place.
• 2:13:45
  Just a man was not eat of it. Scripture goes on to say that
• 2:13:49
  you shouldn't eat from the tree because you until you're old
• 2:13:52
  enough, right? You have to mature to know to
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  know that they rejected not in the garden when you first, they
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  should pay for that tree cuz they do not know how to choose
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  the good reject evil. That's the problem.
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  Raising children with Dad have been your solution.
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  I don't have power to fly kick my kids, until I mean, like
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  what? I see him and put him into the,
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  the streets, or what, I mean, know what I mean.
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  I put them in time out. Say, hey, you guys better.
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  Stay in here and you got to learn something.
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  Learn how to what's going on. You're not going to watch TV and
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  I can't video games. You can visit your friends.
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  Of course, that's 12. Tough love.
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  I like that examples of. Do you think that God, put Adam
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  and Eve in timeout? Yes, basically.
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  That's what he did to us. We're not when I was just in
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  this kind of world learning how to switch.
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  It also says that he wants us to conform to the image of the sun.
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  We trying to lead us back, right?
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  The loving father that he is just give Benadryl to say, hey,
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  get out of here and come back. I want to see you at the point
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  of putting a child in timeout. Is that we are giving them a
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  moment of reflection to think about what they did.
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  And then we assume that life is going to go back to normal,
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  we're going to try and treat them in a way that we promote,
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  maybe that have it not happening, but you want life to
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  an Essence. Be the same.
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  You don't want your the first sample.
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  You don't want your kid to text the stove, but you need them to
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  continue being in the kitchen. Need them to not be afraid to
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  just go around the house and so you don't want them to get hurt.
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  You put them in time out if they put the knob on or something
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  like that. But then the goal is Assimilate
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  them back as part of the family because I mean you just you just
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  like a the perfect. I like common sense.
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  You know, which way to turn on Michael understand if I go and
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  get it and get back to me, but your forgiveness took books and
• 2:16:12
  books and books. It took thousands of years up
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  until he had to kill his son as a human sacrifice.
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  That was finally when he forgave out of any that's when he
• 2:16:25
  actually let them out. And was by punishing, multiple
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  Generations, who had nothing to do with that decision and
• 2:16:34
  actually, who knew right from wrong.
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  Why you no way from? I'm here with you is wrong,
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  unfortunately, it's not about whether we would have got kicked
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  out of out of the garden. It's whether he should have kick
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  people out of the garden to begin with, at least feel
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  something as Petty as that. What you're saying is that what
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  you're saying is? If I'm to understand summation,
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  the reason you don't believe in God is because he's at Eddie's
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  father. The reason if someone to be
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  like, why do you just like the abrahamic?
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  God as he's written that would be my answer because I don't
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  think he exists is a bad father. yes, at least if we were to take
• 2:17:26
  it literally, because I think that the people who is the
• 2:17:29
  Jewish people who are writing these mythological stories,
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  we're just trying to explain to everyone around the campfire
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  what was going on because people just ask them and so they're
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  like gather around and then I think eventually people wrote it
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  down and then fundamentalism was more like the allegory of Jesus
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  being a mushroom for example, I never heard that one.
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  Anybody on the line we talkin about real quick or just let me
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  just let me just finish this believe that in the end we're
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  going to be back with her father and we're going to be cold here
• 2:18:12
  right with Jesus Christ. All things that are guys we're
• 2:18:16
  going to inherit everything right?
• 2:18:17
  So this is what this is the plan for us.
• 2:18:20
  Isn't that a wonderful thing to be like a bad cold here this
• 2:18:24
  summer? I think the way the that it's
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  sold is not everyone. First was their interpretation.
• 2:18:38
  But let me give you an example on how it would fail in reality.
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  So I don't know if you have children, but let's just assume
• 2:18:47
  that you do. Now, let's assume that you are
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  in heaven, okay? You have passed and a good chunk
• 2:18:58
  of years. Go by your children have lived.
• 2:19:01
  Happy healthy lives but they to get old.
• 2:19:03
  But one of them, if you had to one of them believes they now go
• 2:19:10
  to heaven with you. Another does not.
• 2:19:12
  And they now have to spend eternity.
• 2:19:17
  Inhale and I want you to ask you as a parent in heaven.
• 2:19:23
  Are you a happy parent? See what I have to say this.
• 2:19:27
  I don't believe that. I don't have any power to help
• 2:19:30
  my children. I believe that God shows us
• 2:19:32
  through the picture of the flood with Noah that he himself was a
• 2:19:38
  righteous man. But he bring his family with
• 2:19:41
  him, was that we find out what we could.
• 2:19:45
  We are, we can help our family, whether they believe or not, we
• 2:19:49
  can have them. Because again, I'm going to say
• 2:19:50
  God will have mercy on whom, he will have mercy on this is
• 2:19:53
  scripture. So he wants to have mercy on my
• 2:19:55
  children because I'm doing what's right in his eyes and I
• 2:19:58
  love him. And he loves me.
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  If I'm if I'm the son, that means taking place in the car
• 2:20:04
  for my children. Are his grandchildren?
• 2:20:06
  All right. I think I can let his
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  grandchildren just I don't think so, sorry.
• 2:20:11
  I always say, I don't believe that I don't have the
• 2:20:13
  opportunity to bring my family and I'm glad you have hope that
• 2:20:19
  would be the answer. That would happen that your
• 2:20:23
  children would make it into heaven with you.
• 2:20:27
  I would say that that answer could be reflected on, maybe not
• 2:20:34
  on your family, but we can just take a generic family, someone
• 2:20:38
  else's family, play that game, and there's going to be a
• 2:20:42
  parent, but the child roasting in Hell.
• 2:20:44
  While there is no, scripture says will be no more tears, no
• 2:20:50
  more crying, no more pain. so either is going to be your
• 2:20:55
  children, are you going to help your children get in with you or
• 2:20:59
  Not to have any memory of anything and I can have memory
• 2:21:01
  because otherwise scripture would be lying if I said you're
• 2:21:04
  No More Tears, no more pain. Because like you said, if if my
• 2:21:06
  child was outside of of God and he gets up in the Liquor Barn,
• 2:21:09
  I'm in heaven. Where's my son at?
• 2:21:11
  You know, I'm looking. Where's my son?
• 2:21:13
  That's going to be painful and that's going to be tears and God
• 2:21:17
  promises. There's no tears or painting or
• 2:21:19
  I don't care. What can I ask?
• 2:21:23
  If? There are.
• 2:21:30
  I went from that and then just thinking about it, I'm sorry, I
• 2:21:33
  had a I'm back and by the way, I've been sitting here,
• 2:21:45
  listening, you stumped. I really respect your your way
• 2:21:49
  of doing things in the way you speak of these.
• 2:21:51
  You got a lot of wisdom them. Well I appreciate that but glory
• 2:21:55
  to God man, show me the promises and you know how I think things
• 2:22:10
  went. And so can I ask if a piece of
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  you is white And I would say so Cornerstone.
• 2:22:28
  As to be one of your children. Are you still you?
• 2:22:34
  I missed it to me because you just a bounce off.
• 2:22:39
  The question that you said before that a memory wipe, his
• 2:22:44
  God, you were saying will allow no tears something so painful as
• 2:22:48
  to be in heaven to be celebrating forever with
• 2:22:53
  something so painful. And so my question then to you
• 2:22:57
  would be if something. So cornerstones of who we are,
• 2:23:02
  can be wiped is that still us when that process is done
• 2:23:08
  actually me, she had a struggling child but that sucker
• 2:23:24
  would be paying in tear for me. So I could just trust in God.
• 2:23:28
  That however he decides to do it, not nice to question.
• 2:23:31
  What would I still be me? And my memories are wiped out.
• 2:23:34
  Are you not trying to I tried to answer or my beliefs in my face
• 2:23:39
  to scripture? So that's why I believe his
• 2:23:41
  word. I try to answer to that show,
• 2:23:42
  when I'm going outside shine and I hear what you say.
• 2:23:47
  I don't know is the right answer when we don't know.
• 2:23:49
  Sometimes that is the hardest answer.
• 2:23:52
  I like to think that that is sometimes the best answer, but
• 2:23:55
  someone wanted to say something, look, you're a father, you have
• 2:24:01
  two children, right? One follows the rules Goes to
• 2:24:06
  School, blah, blah, blah. The other is a major
• 2:24:09
  disappointment. Is it fair to the child?
• 2:24:13
  That does the rules and follows all the regulations for the
• 2:24:18
  father to bend over backward? For the child?
• 2:24:21
  That doesn't Is it wrong for a whole.
• 2:24:25
  Hold on. Is it is it fair for the father?
• 2:24:27
  Well, excuse me. Is it still considered love for
• 2:24:31
  the father if the father respects the child that messes
• 2:24:34
  up the same way, he respects the child that follows the rules.
• 2:24:40
  There is a slow and we should we see this all the time.
• 2:24:51
  He told me, that's what he wants to do.
• 2:24:53
  The other one runs off expenses, heritance this wildly, but yet
• 2:24:57
  when he comes back to the Father, the father goes down at
• 2:24:59
  the doorway with his hours for him.
• 2:25:01
  So I told you. So what does he runs to his son?
• 2:25:03
  And my son is alive. Is back.
• 2:25:05
  This is us, man, this is this is us.
• 2:25:07
  We're the ones that took everything in me, spending it,
• 2:25:09
  and send it to me, everything, and he's going to the other son.
• 2:25:16
  That doesn't know, says, why did you do this for him?
• 2:25:19
  I've been here all along share with you.
• 2:25:21
  He said, hey you had all these all the all the benefits of me
• 2:25:23
  all this time. Now your brother's back you
• 2:25:25
  should be happy. I wish you all the best and I
• 2:25:28
  don't really see it as it's somebody just disappointed God
• 2:25:33
  or disappointed as father it if you don't mind.
• 2:25:36
  Amy can I use an analogy with that one?
• 2:25:40
  Things that you brought up just a moment ago and maybe maybe
• 2:25:44
  this will make more sense. Are you familiar with in?
• 2:25:47
  This is going along with what we're saying.
• 2:25:49
  Just bear with me but are you familiar with a revolt?
• 2:25:53
  A v s. Sure.
• 2:25:56
  I believe so something you store things in and I'm meaning more
• 2:26:03
  like a, a bunker. Like let's say that you knew
• 2:26:06
  some nukes were flying and you wanted to head to the nearest
• 2:26:09
  bunker to protect yourself, right?
• 2:26:12
  And those you love you, do I find the apocalypse.
• 2:26:18
  We're going to live in here if you want to go with apocalypse,
• 2:26:22
  Ale Works just as nice as nukes for sure.
• 2:26:24
  So Amy, let's say that you got two people that you love with.
• 2:26:27
  You could be just think of the two people in your life that are
• 2:26:32
  the most important to you. Now you are running up a hill
• 2:26:36
  with these two to make it to this fault and you standing
• 2:26:40
  there and one of the people that you love standing right next to
• 2:26:43
  you and they're ready to rock and roll but suddenly the other
• 2:26:47
  person that you love and care about and you cherished stops
• 2:26:51
  does not step onto the the For that leads down into the wall
• 2:26:54
  and says, I don't want to be with you.
• 2:26:57
  I do not want to exist. I would rather die than be with
• 2:27:03
  you. I'd rather do this than spend
• 2:27:06
  another minute with you. What would you do with that?
• 2:27:09
  Surely, you're going to say, but I love you.
• 2:27:10
  I care about you. I want you to be with me, but if
• 2:27:14
  the person continues the back up and go and go and go away, are
• 2:27:19
  you going to force them into the bolts?
• 2:27:21
  Are you going to force them against their will to come in
• 2:27:24
  there? Even though your intentions are
• 2:27:26
  perfectly good, you want to protect them if you want them
• 2:27:29
  saved, can I tell you? I'm going to respond.
• 2:27:33
  But also I want to say why I think your analogy agrees with
• 2:27:37
  my version of things because I think you're going to be
• 2:27:41
  horrified and he's going to be heartbroken.
• 2:27:43
  I think I'm going to be devastated and I think those
• 2:27:46
  types of situations do happen and what I'm trying to pick
• 2:27:50
  apart, is the perfectus of Have it.
• 2:27:53
  That's such a situation where you have eternal, happiness is a
• 2:27:59
  1/4 C of whole situation. And so I agree with your
• 2:28:06
  scenario. It could happen, I think that.
• 2:28:10
  Yeah, I just think that it shows The negative side for Humanity.
• 2:28:17
  Sometimes there's a positive side to where they say, I want
• 2:28:25
  to believe in God. If I just had something, I could
• 2:28:28
  I can grasp onto or clutch or something, I could see, that's
• 2:28:33
  all it would take. And they sincerely mean in their
• 2:28:35
  hearts that they really, really want God in their life.
• 2:28:38
  And I am convinced that people like that will eventually get
• 2:28:41
  what they wish for it. However, there are some non
• 2:28:44
  believers, I've heard where they do say, oh, I reject the Scott,
• 2:28:48
  even if it showed up in front of me, even if it's open the door
• 2:28:52
  and showed me all the light, I don't want to spend one minute
• 2:28:55
  with this tyrannical monster and all this.
• 2:28:58
  So for me when I'm listening to non-believers, I'm here in a
• 2:29:02
  choice female. That's the reason why I asked
• 2:29:04
  the question about the two doors, which one would you
• 2:29:07
  choose? It becomes your reality upon
• 2:29:10
  acceptance. What would you want?
• 2:29:12
  A lot of people say I'll go through the guy.
• 2:29:14
  Door. But I have ran in a mini.
• 2:29:17
  A few Seaside know. I'd rather die in an atheist
• 2:29:20
  Universe. No Gods to exist.
• 2:29:29
  I would say, I'm biased. I dislike the concepts.
• 2:29:32
  Just like I just like the concept of Kings the Kings
• 2:29:36
  exist, but I don't, I just don't think that it is something that
• 2:29:41
  we should be worshipping none. The less highest priority is the
• 2:29:45
  truth. And so if a God does exist, I
• 2:29:48
  don't want to bury my head in the sand, what to know.
• 2:29:51
  And I, if that is the universe that we are in, Then, you know,
• 2:29:59
  I can't sit there trying to fight it.
• 2:30:02
  You can only deal with reality. Play me, you know, enough about
• 2:30:08
  the Bible? I, I know cuz it had discussions
• 2:30:11
  with you and I've listened to quite a bit of your shows, you
• 2:30:14
  know, the god of the Bible doesn't tell you that that
• 2:30:18
  you're not allowed to ask. In fact, it says knock and I
• 2:30:22
  shall open ask you to receive the god actually says, you know,
• 2:30:27
  bring it to me and I'll, I'll do it.
• 2:30:29
  I'll even take upon your yolk and all that.
• 2:30:31
  So it's the option is there. That's what I'm saying.
• 2:30:36
  That's why I gave the analogy. I believe that it's in the
• 2:30:39
  person's choice of what they're going to do.
• 2:30:44
  I I mean if a god came down and said listen I am real and you
• 2:30:51
  have to believe in me because it's almost like being in front
• 2:30:56
  of an ice cream store and meet me and saying there is no ice
• 2:31:00
  cream store. I mean at that point I could
• 2:31:03
  continue to say that but we never get the kind of evidence I
• 2:31:09
  would say. That would be satisfactory to
• 2:31:13
  us. And then the response is
• 2:31:15
  normally will then what who are you?
• 2:31:17
  And what would be satisfactory? And I'd say he's old school,
• 2:31:21
  just don't have anymore. Why I think they do and I think
• 2:31:28
  that they actually Miracles also happened to atheist.
• 2:31:31
  I've been working on a series lately about atheist to have who
• 2:31:38
  are convinced that they officially died and that they
• 2:31:41
  seen things in the afterlife know that I just recently.
• 2:31:43
  Did one about a young lady, who is atheist for almost 30, 40
• 2:31:48
  years, you seen it? I did, or at least I am now
• 2:31:51
  making my way through it. That's intense.
• 2:31:55
  She went through a lot of tragedies, but eventually came
• 2:31:59
  around. So I believe, not only do
• 2:32:00
  miracles happen for religious people, but they can't even
• 2:32:03
  happen for people who may not even be looking just depends on
• 2:32:07
  when God sees the right time for it or at least for that person
• 2:32:10
  but I think Amy it's going to happen for you.
• 2:32:13
  One day, I just feel like I feel like there's a subjective
• 2:32:16
  goodness in you that you just don't want to grasp.
• 2:32:19
  Thank you, Brett. I feel the exact same way for
• 2:32:22
  you. And I will say this is a guilty
• 2:32:26
  pleasure but if you ever did come to the atheist side, just
• 2:32:30
  know. You'd be welcomed with open
• 2:32:31
  arms. I'll have barbecue with you, but
• 2:32:34
  I don't see myself going back and left positioning time soon.
• 2:32:42
  Amy do you have your you have a YouTube videos of program is
• 2:32:46
  whether it's under your name, okay?
• 2:32:56
  People are very respectful in there so you'd probably enjoy
• 2:33:02
  yourself. You ever jump over their stuff?
• 2:33:05
  Discussions are very respectful and very intelligent.
• 2:33:11
  Absolutely. Let me ask you one question
• 2:33:21
  about like our consciousnesses of memories is wiped out from
• 2:33:29
  the ears are pain and suffering. Do you believe that when you
• 2:33:34
  died that you have something more when you die?
• 2:33:38
  I do not believe how not to get online King on people, but I do
• 2:33:43
  believe it is the circle of life.
• 2:33:44
  I think that currently it takes life to have life, what even
• 2:33:49
  well, actually semi circumvent us now with photosynthesis.
• 2:33:54
  But generally speaking, you know, we have to eat organisms
• 2:33:58
  and eventually one day we will die by an organism's will eat
• 2:34:04
  us. It isn't the happiest of
• 2:34:08
  scenarios. I know a lot of people get brain
• 2:34:10
  nihilistic when I express this Outlook, but to me when those
• 2:34:17
  sorts of well, You know, eventually you will die.
• 2:34:21
  And the story ends to me, I would say true, but eventually
• 2:34:27
  the roller coaster in none, the less I get on the roller coaster
• 2:34:30
  for manly men. But but then you would say that
• 2:34:34
  logically that when you die, you, you have no memory of your
• 2:34:39
  loved ones or anything. So that's a possibility that
• 2:34:41
  they could be the same way that goes on and happy.
• 2:34:43
  Now, this is logic. Yes, I would say that I think
• 2:34:48
  our brains breakdown. I think that our Consciousness
• 2:34:51
  in her mind because of that no longer exist.
• 2:34:55
  And yeah, we live on Generations our our progeny Dad or Mom will
• 2:35:07
  be, it will be another way of you not having any sorrow or
• 2:35:13
  pain and I think that could be a possibility.
• 2:35:19
  Welcome back racks and Adam. I'm not particularly.
• 2:35:31
  Because you become a concern yourself with this before.
• 2:35:35
  I do you consider yourself with When is right let it leave that
• 2:35:44
  for a long time. More recently, I've come to
• 2:35:47
  understand the Holy Spirit as being God I'm a little I don't
• 2:35:52
  know, I still haven't worked out all the details but I'm still
• 2:35:56
  not a creationist and all that but I do think it makes the most
• 2:35:59
  sense to describe what I believe is God as it pertains to like
• 2:36:03
  the Holy Spirit and all that in two weeks, Adam, I posted you
• 2:36:08
  that episode. I have coming up.
• 2:36:09
  This coming, this coming Wednesday, my show is aliens or
• 2:36:15
  demons and then the week after that is Jesus Christ, Son of God
• 2:36:18
  or God In the Flesh. Goodness gracious, Proverbs you
• 2:36:24
  like the Energizer Bunny boy, you just coming up with the good
• 2:36:27
  stuff, you got the energy, man, very good and I can ask you
• 2:36:31
  something cuz I am Stephan. I don't I don't want to debate
• 2:36:39
  you on that. I was just trying to like find
• 2:36:42
  out what the scripture said about it.
• 2:36:44
  I didn't want to know, I'm just going to do a whole episode
• 2:36:48
  where I show all the scripture verses, okay?
• 2:36:51
  You are like, you're going to find them.
• 2:37:06
  Well. Okay.
• 2:37:08
  Come on. Over the what is fine if you
• 2:37:28
  want a good time. It was a moment of weakness.
• 2:37:32
  He got to convince me now, what's so fresh?
• 2:37:34
  And what is it that you change your mind?
• 2:37:38
  Oh my gosh, that way. It's kind of hard to explain.
• 2:37:40
  Islam is a long series of personal experiences and Murray
• 2:37:46
  evaluation of what, some of the terminology and stuff means and
• 2:37:50
  re-evaluating the reasons that I stopped believing in God to
• 2:37:54
  begin with. So But it's not easy to kind of
• 2:37:57
  put into terms. Like, I very confidently stated
• 2:38:00
  prior to shedding the title atheist that I was pretty
• 2:38:05
  constantly. Felt that Noah was going to
• 2:38:06
  change my mind and I still feel that way about creationism and a
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  beginning. Like I don't believe in a
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  beginning or a Creator and all that that was the part.
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  I was most kind of Mostly thinking of the word God as
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  referring to, so I was kind of hung up on that.
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  So that if you don't believe in a God, I will say there's a word
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  for lack of the Weeping. God know, I do believe in a God,
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  I don't believe in a creator of the universe.
• 2:38:36
  What's the difference to you between a God and a creator of
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  the universe? Like basically I believe in what
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  is very frequently referred to as the Holy Spirit like the
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  spirit of God which can you know you can kind of access the Holy
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  Spirit and it can cause you to do.
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  Morally righteous things and things of that nature.
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  That's what I was wanting to ask.
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  You made me hit it. I guess I'll ask the Christopher
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  Hitchens question, which is just is there anything that atheists
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  can do morally that an atheist cannot?
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  Yeah, I do think so. I think that if you're an
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  atheist and you feel the Holy Spirit and you're rejected,
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  you're not going to act morally and you're not going to be
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  guided by the Holy Spirit to go in a different direction and do
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  something that's above and beyond your ego-centered
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  material self. God is so good.
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  Thank you, Jesus. I love you, Adam.
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  But why do you think that being good doing good?
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  Is what you refer to as the Holy Spirit?
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  Why is that somehow pointing to a god?
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  Oh, I didn't make that concept up.
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  It's a really old thing. Like, in other words, I'm going
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  by what most people mean by the terminology.
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  I'm not inventing my own thing. So I guess if you listen to like
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  in Christianity or different religions they have this concept
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  of mysticism and stuff as well. We can have wisdom or tap into a
• 2:40:18
  higher state of consciousness and things like that that is
• 2:40:20
  often referred to as God. But like like the I mean, not
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  strictly a moralistic thing but like I don't know.
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  It's hard to it's hard to summarize.
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  I would say I know it sounds like kind of a cop out but Well,
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  I would say in my opinion I don't think that there is a
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  moral thing that a theist can do there.
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  An atheist. Can I actually think it's often
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  times better in The Atheist position because we're not
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  giving a sandwich to a homeless guy because we think that the
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  holy spirit is within us, we're giving it to the homeless guy
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  because he's hungry and we know what hunger feels like.
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  That is a mystifying why we do it and sandwich to a homeless
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  person because we think the holy spirit's watching from within
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  us, the holy spirit is within us in because of that, we have a
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  love for the homeless person that we want to help feed him.
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  Okay, once again you're saying it's almost like it's pushing it
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  back though. Why do you think that the holy
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  spirit makes you be good? For Amy?
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  Why are you arguing with something that no one's claiming
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  like you're, you're I thought that was your thing.
• 2:41:43
  No, no. Okay, let's go back to what is
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  the Holy Spirit? Do you want to know what I
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  experienced or what? In general people ascribe to be
• 2:41:56
  the holy spirit? Cuz a lot of people assume that
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  the holy spirit in Christianity is very common in our culture
• 2:42:01
  that people think of God the father and got the sign.
• 2:42:05
  And Jesus and y'all way in the holy spirit all is this one
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  thing I don't believe that. Okay.
• 2:42:11
  I honestly don't like I was only half.
• 2:42:14
  I was sort of half serious when I said you have a chance to
• 2:42:17
  change my mind. I don't really like these types
• 2:42:19
  of discussions that much. I had a personal experience and
• 2:42:22
  it's my belief systems are still working out the the tools,
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  right? No it's just I don't I think the
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  the nature of the holy spirit is the total opposite of this
• 2:42:36
  annoying atheist logic thing where you just like have to
• 2:42:41
  scrutinize everything. And everything has to be a
• 2:42:42
  debate and attacked a reductionist argument everyday
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  on the Internet. It's like, I don't know, maybe I
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  just got exhausted by that and I just gave into it cuz I think
• 2:42:52
  it's just so stupid and pointless in Lake, Grove sick.
• 2:42:56
  Why does everything have to be so scrutinized with the certain
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  set of rules? But not these other set of rules
• 2:43:03
  that are there like it's just I think it's dumb.
• 2:43:06
  Sure. But in Counterpoint I think just
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  making up a word or just giving into a word like holy spirit and
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  just saying that's why people do good things.
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  I think about what I said, it is a little bit, you misunderstood
• 2:43:22
  what I was saying there are things that I think that people
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  who believe in God and believe in the Holy Spirit and they're
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  experiencing the Holy Spirit, they're there are things they
• 2:43:32
  will do that are above and beyond those who do not believe
• 2:43:37
  in that Spirit. Can you explain that experience?
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  Like, for example, someone would be more selfless and less
• 2:43:45
  concerned with their own needs if they believed in that spirit
• 2:43:48
  and acted accordingly to how it was guiding them.
• 2:43:53
  I would say there's a possibility if you think that
• 2:43:55
  someone's watching you, but there is a possibility that you
• 2:43:58
  will act more selfless because you think you will be rewarded
• 2:44:02
  or even punished because that being is watching you.
• 2:44:06
  But Amy that's not what I'm talking about.
• 2:44:08
  I'm not talking about being monitored by a Creator script
• 2:44:15
  arguments against atheist and I'm not talking about I disagree
• 2:44:19
  with your premise of the Holy Spirit, making you more selfless
• 2:44:22
  because I don't know what that would mean.
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  I don't know if I can. You run that for extra organ?
• 2:44:30
  Do you know? I do not know what the Holy
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  Spirit has been described. I mean, it's not that you said
• 2:44:36
  that I made it up. I didn't make that up for his
• 2:44:41
  version of the Holy Spirit. You will admit that I listened
• 2:44:45
  more closely around sing. Most Christians believe that a
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  b, c and d are all the same thing.
• 2:44:53
  I can't believe abnc I believe Indie short.
• 2:44:58
  He is still called God. So my other people say, y'all
• 2:45:03
  way is Jesus in. Jesus is the Creator and this
• 2:45:06
  made Heaven is all one thing. If you have to be more specific,
• 2:45:11
  if you're if you don't believe a b and c, my claim is the holy
• 2:45:16
  spirit doesn't exist. So how can we figure out which
• 2:45:19
  one of us is right? What is your what is your claim
• 2:45:24
  that humans don't claim to obviously humans claim to have
• 2:45:28
  this experience all the time. Sure.
• 2:45:30
  But what is your evidence that actually exist?
• 2:45:34
  I know that the experience exist cuz I've experienced it in my
• 2:45:38
  life. Will you grant me that people
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  have heard multiple voices in their head?
• 2:45:43
  Well, that's why I'm in your truck.
• 2:45:48
  It's like you're trying to Be in bad faith with this with their
• 2:45:53
  arguments look, you're going to change it to schizophrenia
• 2:45:55
  understanding. What I'm saying it's human
• 2:45:58
  beings do have what they describe as religious experience
• 2:46:00
  is right. Sure, so we both agree on that.
• 2:46:06
  I do believe the people would have a date of scribes religious
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  experiences. I think often times they can be
• 2:46:14
  analogized into things like meditation or even psychedelics.
• 2:46:19
  Bro. Like most atheist on YouTube,
• 2:46:25
  you are more open to an Eastern version of religion and you have
• 2:46:29
  for some reason an animosity towards our own culture.
• 2:46:33
  I don't know why you think psychedelics like there's a
• 2:46:37
  slide drug dealers in America. You're open to meditation
• 2:46:41
  meditation. Do you think sitting by
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  yourself, I'm sorry. You want me to call it prayer?
• 2:46:50
  You can call credit card. Meditation are two different
• 2:46:53
  things, right? About talking to yourself,
• 2:46:58
  right? You're both basically sitting be
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  fair Amy. I feel like that was a little
• 2:47:02
  snarky and I feel like I've been very kind to you this evening.
• 2:47:07
  Sure. I hope I have also been kind to
• 2:47:11
  you. I mean prayer.
• 2:47:14
  Comment, was a little snarky. Would you agree with that?
• 2:47:16
  I think I was just a little unwarranted, so respectful to
• 2:47:20
  you or it does not also change. That is what I think prayer is
• 2:47:24
  the weather. It start getting what you said
• 2:47:27
  though. It was I think you would agree
• 2:47:29
  with me, but we can move on. I apologize.
• 2:47:32
  I still think that prayer is talking to oneself it because I
• 2:47:36
  do not believe that God exists. I do think that you are in
• 2:47:40
  essence meditating. I do think that is a 125 million
• 2:47:45
  helping like if your agenda or your goal here is that you said
• 2:47:52
  everyone here before I came in. I think you said something along
• 2:47:55
  the lines of people here in a cult and you felt like compelled
• 2:47:59
  to change people's minds, right? Do you think that The way you're
• 2:48:04
  like line of reasoning and call it in, like bringing up
• 2:48:07
  schizophrenia and things if that, that is more likely to
• 2:48:11
  help me change to your belief, or to be wanting to spend less
• 2:48:15
  time with those ideas. I guess it depends on the
• 2:48:20
  conversation. It depends on.
• 2:48:21
  Are we talkin about people who think that they spoke with God.
• 2:48:25
  Are we talkin about people? Who just think they have
• 2:48:30
  experiences that have no actual personal relationship.
• 2:48:33
  So for example, I don't think you are experiencing
• 2:48:37
  schizophrenia because I think that you are not speaking with a
• 2:48:42
  God you have not made a claim. So I was only just trying to
• 2:48:46
  point out these analogies that you said people make the claim
• 2:48:49
  that they feel the holy spirit. So I was trying to say just
• 2:48:53
  because you feel something, just because people hear multiple
• 2:48:56
  voices, does it mean that it's trip?
• 2:48:58
  But anyway what do you think? So many people are claiming to
• 2:49:02
  experience. What is it?
• 2:49:05
  Is it depends. I think that when you're in,
• 2:49:08
  maybe a prayer house, a place of worship when you are possibly
• 2:49:15
  with loved ones, I think that you can get a lot of these.
• 2:49:19
  Really amazing feelings that we are tuned to his conscious
• 2:49:24
  creatures. I think it's a chemical
• 2:49:26
  substance going on, but it's so some people have those
• 2:49:32
  experiences. Atheist either don't have those
• 2:49:37
  experiences or they have them and they kind of try that reject
• 2:49:41
  them are. They blocked them out or they
• 2:49:43
  reduce them to a chemistry equation or something.
• 2:49:50
  Connection between something like a Holy Spirit and being
• 2:49:54
  good. Like you're very specific
• 2:49:55
  examples, like the being more selfless, like I don't
• 2:50:01
  understand Why you believe that? Well, that's one of the things
• 2:50:06
  that is the definition of the holy spirit that that's what
• 2:50:09
  People who believe in the Holy Spirit, that's what they believe
• 2:50:11
  that it was, one of the things that it does.
• 2:50:16
  Why do you believe, do you believe this is something that
• 2:50:20
  you were going to be able to prove with equipment?
• 2:50:25
  No, I think that you gots. That's the problem is, like
• 2:50:29
  you're saying I'll make an analogy cuz this is something
• 2:50:31
  you said earlier to. It's like, it's like you're
• 2:50:34
  saying, you only believe in solids and you don't believe in
• 2:50:36
  anything, but solids and then by definition.
• 2:50:39
  Anything that's not a solid. You will reject.
• 2:50:41
  And if someone presents of gas do you say?
• 2:50:44
  Well, it's not solid, so it can't exist.
• 2:50:45
  You're, you're starting with the assumption that this can't
• 2:50:49
  exist, and then, you're just rejecting it based on that, same
• 2:50:53
  assumption, I view that I would say, I believe in solids until
• 2:51:00
  someone presents to me a gas. And then I believe in gases and
• 2:51:04
  then I don't believe in liquids until someone presents liquids.
• 2:51:07
  And now, I believe it's okay. That you claimed that only
• 2:51:13
  solids exist, someone shows you a gas in since the gas doesn't
• 2:51:16
  have the traits of a solid. You were refused to accept that
• 2:51:21
  there's something other than a solid know you say the gas.
• 2:51:25
  Yes. But I can't really true that you
• 2:51:27
  have to believe it in your heart and that's the only way that you
• 2:51:30
  can really know the gas is. This should we believe in the
• 2:51:33
  gas? What if the gas is an experience
• 2:51:37
  that you can only confirm by having the experience?
• 2:51:39
  Yeah, you have to go out into the world and actually have that
• 2:51:42
  experience. That's kind of the whole point
• 2:51:43
  is that you're looking like, you're starting with a category
• 2:51:48
  that no one is claiming God is like a physical box or
• 2:51:51
  something. You can take a photograph of
• 2:51:53
  them and you're only going to accept a physical box, you're
• 2:51:59
  arguing against something that no one is claiming.
• 2:52:01
  So I never said, even though God supposed to be everywhere and
• 2:52:06
  everything, but will look behind that I I never claimed that.
• 2:52:09
  So, But if you assume that you have to have like a physical
• 2:52:14
  solid thing to prove that God exists.
• 2:52:16
  That's not what anyone is claiming God was or is just I
• 2:52:20
  have in mind. Well, I think that some people
• 2:52:24
  here just agree. I don't know.
• 2:52:25
  I don't know if I do want you to answer some of my own beliefs or
• 2:52:30
  as generally fine. Everybody Welcome real briefly
• 2:52:35
  awake not woke how you doing sister a little work?
• 2:52:40
  Yeah, and I thought you got them.
• 2:52:41
  You should answer your belief in my opinion because we all we
• 2:52:44
  have different beliefs. We're not you know, which with
• 2:52:47
  you or even me and you. I think a lot of people think of
• 2:52:53
  God as being not having a mind of being a mind or being
• 2:52:56
  something like a mine. But I'm in science today.
• 2:53:01
  Can't tell us anything about what a mind is.
• 2:53:03
  They Don't Know, Jack, schitt about what a mind is, it's what?
• 2:53:06
  It's like, one of the hardest problems of our time, no one
• 2:53:09
  knows even what area to even begin with conscious.
• 2:53:11
  I think it's more, we have floating islands of information,
• 2:53:17
  and most of those all point to a physical.
• 2:53:21
  My mind is physical Consciousness.
• 2:53:23
  See, no evidence that there is a mastectomy.
• 2:53:30
  That's what you believe that mind is physical, like it's
• 2:53:34
  physically. Inside your head as in.
• 2:53:38
  We have a brain. Those neurons are creating a
• 2:53:42
  network that network of neurons is our mind.
• 2:53:46
  It is the operating system by which handles the vast majority
• 2:53:50
  of both conscious and unconscious programs.
• 2:53:55
  Okay. But that in no way explains.
• 2:53:57
  How if you believe that Consciousness arises out of
• 2:54:01
  that? How can you get something?
• 2:54:02
  That's an inner subjective experience from them.
• 2:54:05
  That's the, that's the part that's on the salt out of what,
• 2:54:08
  out of, what you just described. How does how does the chemistry
• 2:54:14
  in the neurons and all that result in an inner subjective
• 2:54:18
  experience? That's the dip.
• 2:54:20
  That's the problem that the unsolved problem.
• 2:54:23
  And I having a neural network. But how does the neural network
• 2:54:29
  result in something that's in enter subject of experience?
• 2:54:35
  I having many Gathering since tools and by having an emerging
• 2:54:42
  process that we call Consciousness, which is a system
• 2:54:45
  of a weariness by having an emergent process, that's the
• 2:54:48
  part that we don't understand. If that's the part that is, I
• 2:54:51
  know there's no a labeling the problem that we don't know what
• 2:54:56
  it is, we don't know how if you believe that Consciousness
• 2:54:59
  arises, nobody knows how it arises pieces together.
• 2:55:05
  Do you believe you believe that your nervous system in your
• 2:55:15
  Consciousness and mind serving abducted purpose and meaning
• 2:55:19
  Yes, I believe very specifically that we were put on this Earth,
• 2:55:24
  has animals because there were many Extinction events, the
• 2:55:29
  photosynthetic bacteria and then their children, what we call
• 2:55:35
  plants took over and dominated land.
• 2:55:38
  And from that there was a mass extinction event.
• 2:55:42
  Everything began burning from this new chemical that we call
• 2:55:46
  oxygen. And so we are the result of what
• 2:55:50
  is left the sea creatures that went on to land and then had me
• 2:55:55
  stations that were able to survive oxygen.
• 2:55:59
  Amy Ramos, sound like you're about to say, God put us here,
• 2:56:02
  but I don't know, just kind of flew over me a little bit cuz I
• 2:56:12
  don't mean I, I do like to think I do, but I get.
• 2:56:15
  So if I do get snarky, I feel bad because I do, I zero my
• 2:56:20
  brothers and sisters and I really do think that.
• 2:56:23
  I, I hope I am doing this for the right reason, and it's not
• 2:56:27
  just like a troll, a sort of thing.
• 2:56:28
  I know I can pull punches to buy.
• 2:56:31
  Do want to send that? I do love you all.
• 2:56:34
  Thank you and I and I do appreciate that and I know that
• 2:56:38
  you mean that sincerely from all your heart but you say that you
• 2:56:42
  want to help folks and you see that we're in some kind of
• 2:56:44
  vulnerable Colts work or being manipulated and take advantage
• 2:56:48
  of. But if we accept your side, like
• 2:56:51
  you've been encouraging us to do then what happens, then we
• 2:56:55
  become bug food. That's all you're offering.
• 2:56:58
  So It's kind of weird how you think that's going to help us.
• 2:57:02
  How exactly does me getting eaten up by worms and Beach?
• 2:57:05
  Dirt food going to be beneficial.
• 2:57:11
  Moore. First of all, when you think,
• 2:57:13
  you know, the answer tends to block not always but tends to
• 2:57:19
  block from actually searching for the answer.
• 2:57:22
  I think from my perspective because I don't believe in a
• 2:57:26
  god, it drops all of the baggage, we don't have to have
• 2:57:30
  all of these that I know people think I'm doing it for the
• 2:57:36
  other. Like, you want to just live your
• 2:57:38
  lifestyle and I'm like, no, that is actually just ate a benefit
• 2:57:43
  lgbtq brothers and sisters. You don't even care about it.
• 2:57:47
  Whether you become Pro or an ally, you just won't even give a
• 2:57:51
  shit anymore because it's not written in a text.
• 2:57:53
  That says they had to be stoned to death if you don't want to
• 2:57:56
  watch your language. Are July 1st and it's only
• 2:58:02
  because of the Christian Channel.
• 2:58:03
  We appreciate it though, you've been really good.
• 2:58:13
  I forgot what the question was Now by hope.
• 2:58:15
  I answered it. I hope that I also didn't
• 2:58:18
  interrupt of the productive conversation, you and Adam were
• 2:58:21
  having. It's just some stuff.
• 2:58:22
  You guys said were interesting and I just couldn't keep my
• 2:58:25
  mouth shut and just had no control.
• 2:58:27
  If you guys want to get back to it, I will set my pie.
• 2:58:31
  I also have I have like about a half an hour more and then I
• 2:58:36
  probably have to get ready for bed.
• 2:58:40
  Yeah, I think we all probably pretty lady.
• 2:58:42
  Do you guys want to finish up your conversation?
• 2:58:44
  We had some more Nimble tonight. Am I let them talk?
• 2:58:49
  Keep on coming back. Hey, my boy, if you were talking
• 2:58:52
  about Consciousness and how it can only be a material thing in
• 2:58:58
  the brain and or however you put up, I do believe that it is made
• 2:59:03
  out of a physical substance, at least the brain level.
• 2:59:07
  You know, our mine may be more of a network of Hearts working
• 2:59:13
  together. However, it's still, we have
• 2:59:16
  this metric that is, you know, pulling in information.
• 2:59:21
  We have another one. That's telling us how aware we
• 2:59:25
  are. But then we have all of our
• 2:59:26
  senses we're feeling or touching were seeing was smelling.
• 2:59:29
  I believe. And we have more than just, you
• 2:59:34
  know, $0.05 we have a dozen, if not more different senses, I
• 2:59:40
  believe if you were to pull each and every one away you would
• 2:59:45
  slowly But the hill at what conscious is, as a mechanism
• 2:59:52
  because it's trying to pull in all that data, that's why it's
• 2:59:55
  there. But Amy, are you familiar with
• 2:59:59
  the hard problem of Consciousness that you can
• 3:00:02
  taste? What will it?
• 3:00:12
  Take beyond the physicality to create a conscious being I
• 3:00:16
  rejected because I believe that by putting all of the physical
• 3:00:20
  parts together, I believe it will create a synthetic version
• 3:00:23
  of it. So, you as a, as a starting
• 3:00:27
  point reject, the hard problem of Consciousness is not a sort
• 3:00:33
  of exactly what I was saying. Earlier, as you start with an
• 3:00:35
  assumption of physicality and you reject anything that that
• 3:00:39
  goes against, that assumption would be open.
• 3:00:42
  I just have no evidence of a dualistic or a separation a
• 3:00:48
  non-physical version. I don't even know what that
• 3:00:52
  would mean. I mean I'm open to
• 3:00:54
  interpretation but I don't know what a mind outside of a, having
• 3:00:59
  a brain could even be, I don't know.
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  Also, why there'd be something complex like a brain outside of
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  time and space. And then it got very simple
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  again and then slowly, but surely it became complex.
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  That seems like an Oreo cookie. You would expect simple and then
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  it would just slowly, get more complex.
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  This is what we say. Wait.
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  So Amy. You just can you, elaborate you
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  completely just reject David Chalmers premise.
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  Will the hard problem of Consciousness, very specifically
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  States. What is the ghost in the machine
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  that we are missing Beyond physicality?
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  If we are creating a Consciousness and the people who
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  I would say believe that it is replicated, will synthetic
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  reject that problem and say that by putting all of the necessary
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  pieces, all of the exact sensory organs that we have, and by
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  having a system that takes in that data and pushes it out and
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  creates it, you will create a conscious being a being that
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  passes, the Turing test with flying colors, Okay, so Amy.
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  I don't know what you're talkin about.
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  So you're saying that David Chalmers, literally called it a
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  ghost in the machine or that's your characterization of it.
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  That is the heart problem, what do you think?
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  I heard from Consciousness. And how he, cuz there's multiple
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  ways that different people word it.
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  I mean, there's a lot of equipment ways you can word it.
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  But I was trying to find out how Chalmers himself presented it.
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  Very specifically. It's no problem is if we put
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  everything together, will we actually have a conscious being
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  if we just pray all the physical things and collect them just
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  like we have now. Will it be something radically
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  different than us? I think I've ever heard the word
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  about your, your rephrasing, the essence of it, but in such a way
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  that you're getting, I don't think that you're asking the
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  same question. I'm just going to read the heart
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  problem. Consciousness is a philosophical
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  problem. Concerning why?
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  And how humans and other organisms have qualia phenomenal
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  Consciousness or subjective experiences?
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  This is contrastive, easy problem playing the physical
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  systems that gives you and sellers ability, discriminate in
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  a great information, perform Behavior functions or 450 Parts
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  in so far. So nothing about ghosts in
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  machines and stuff. It's asking about calling you
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  trying to say session. Well, you're talking about
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  something from hundreds of years ago, right?
• 3:04:02
  No, I would say it's talking about Androids, talking about,
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  if we were to build an Android would there be a soul?
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  Would there be something special would there be?
• 3:04:12
  Is there something that separates us between the
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  physical world? Okay, but I feel like you're not
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  talking about the hard problem of Consciousness.
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  I think you're doing that intentionally, right?
• 3:04:26
  You don't agree with the heart. You don't agree that there is a
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  hard problem. You believe it can be explained
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  with the easy problem and you reject it and you don't even
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  address it as a real thing worth talking about.
• 3:04:39
  And I think that's what you're saying.
• 3:04:44
  We are now saying it back to me, Right.
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  But I guess I'm missing. Like why you're just like
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  another word? You're not answering the
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  question, you're just rejecting the request that their yes of
• 3:05:00
  Consciousness that there is anything besides the physical
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  form. I am saying that if you were to
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  put everything together you would get the exact conscious
• 3:05:10
  experience that you have here directly.
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  Okay. So like one paper about the
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  heart problem conscience is like, what is it like to be a
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  bat? You don't talk about stuff like
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  that would be an example of one of many ways of raising what's
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  at the heart of this issue. So you are, you do agree that
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  there's something like what? It's like to be about, right?
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  Yes. And I believe it's different
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  from ours because of the different tools that they have.
• 3:05:49
  Sperry specifically, it's different to be a bad because
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  they have an echolocation. And so they see things quote on
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  quote completely different than we do.
• 3:06:01
  We can hypothesize because they're using it in the exact
• 3:06:05
  same matter. That it may actually be very
• 3:06:08
  similar to the actual output. Although the inputs are very
• 3:06:11
  different, the actual outputs are getting the same type of
• 3:06:15
  information that we get from our eyes.
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  Red beret me. The hard problem is about, how
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  could there be the inner experience at all?
• 3:06:22
  Like, how can Physical molecules result in this inner experience.
• 3:06:27
  You're saying that it physically is somewhere, but maybe that was
• 3:06:39
  just never talked about you different things.
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  Like the feeling that you get, when you're hungry or the, when
• 3:06:46
  you see red, the color red, the redness that you see, the qualia
• 3:06:49
  the quality of red physically exists somewhere like you can
• 3:06:53
  crack something open and take a picture of it.
• 3:06:54
  Very specifically the way and your brain using its source is
• 3:07:01
  trying to interpret with that wavelength is and actually I
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  think it's the opposite none. The less it is trying to
• 3:07:08
  interpret that to the best way possible but how can there be an
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  inner experience of interpretation to begin with
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  your you're talking about wavelength which is the easy
• 3:07:18
  problems. That's why you say that like
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  it's impossible. Consciousness is a is a
• 3:07:26
  question, the philosophy of how can science ever even it?
• 3:07:30
  Have a explanation of how this works.
• 3:07:32
  It's not an assumption of a ghost in the machine.
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  It's asking how do we have to get this?
• 3:07:37
  Scientifically the answer is to put all of the resident Parts
• 3:07:41
  together to create with I type A and type B material of them.
• 3:07:53
  I'm not that crazy ology from a type, a material list for you
• 3:08:09
  and Adam, it seems like that's kind of a logical naturalist a
• 3:08:18
  philosophical naturalist that cuz then that kind of spectrum
• 3:08:21
  kind of sounds very similar to what they think of Alia and
• 3:08:30
  various other things you have to read into it.
• 3:08:32
  So, I'm not putting you to camp and it's actually, it's just
• 3:08:35
  saying that safe material emergent property, and that it
• 3:08:38
  was really no problem because it's it's just a material thing.
• 3:08:42
  What are the only complication? Let me see things, the brain,
• 3:08:49
  the Consciousness and how it works for them.
• 3:08:50
  Together did not happen by chance to Evolution and yet we
• 3:08:54
  all have different minds and in Consciousness, do you have to
• 3:08:58
  experience as we are different type of people personalities and
• 3:09:01
  this is just chance. Does that make that?
• 3:09:04
  That's not the black say wait a minute, let me put the brakes on
• 3:09:07
  or no because it depends on what you mean by chance because yes,
• 3:09:14
  it's lucky. You could say that we're here.
• 3:09:16
  But if you look at the solar system, we are well within the
• 3:09:21
  circumstellar habitable zone, Venus Mars and Earth.
• 3:09:25
  All well, within that habitable Ray's that can have not freezing
• 3:09:32
  or not burning and dust. You can have liquid water and so
• 3:09:36
  it's not surprising that life. Actually, a rose here on Earth,
• 3:09:43
  you would actually be very surprising if it arose on like a
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  frost planet or somewhere. Where there was no energy going
• 3:09:50
  in or out of it, just a brain, the physical brain that you say,
• 3:09:55
  uncle beyond the physical person or whatever, and see.
• 3:09:57
  And then the Consciousness in the mind is very complicated to
• 3:10:01
  explain it. You can put parts together this
• 3:10:06
  that new transpiring and yet it wasn't it wasn't intelligent
• 3:10:10
  mind. That put that together was just
• 3:10:12
  by chance that this is my phone and we're all different people
• 3:10:15
  different kinds of understanding where at Honey reaction.
• 3:10:21
  Remind me by chance. Very specifically.
• 3:10:29
  There was plants first and then we are break off, we share more
• 3:10:36
  in common with fungi and we're almost a direct opposite fungi.
• 3:10:40
  Put their stomach acid onto a surface and break it down.
• 3:10:45
  We take it off Jack's and put it into us, and break it down with
• 3:10:50
  our stomach acid. And so It makes sense to have
• 3:10:54
  this in version of this mobile thing that can actually move
• 3:11:00
  around. Does a bunker have a brain in
• 3:11:02
  their Consciousness in a way that I do not believe.
• 3:11:06
  So I know there are people out there that say that plans can,
• 3:11:09
  you know, in a certain pitch but I don't think that a plant or a
• 3:11:16
  fungi or bacteria is conscious in the same way that we are or
• 3:11:22
  like, will one day be in the synthetic versions long way to
• 3:11:30
  jump from a plant with no conscience or mine to a human
• 3:11:32
  being would have Consciousness, mind brain, new transpiring,
• 3:11:36
  putting things together, all these things I asked, Amy Amy,
• 3:11:42
  you believe that the, you do believe that the Universe put
• 3:11:45
  you together including your mind, right?
• 3:11:49
  Yes, so the universe has the properties.
• 3:11:52
  The essence, the recipe required in order for a mind to exist.
• 3:11:58
  Yes. So why is it that there can't be
• 3:12:02
  a superior mind. That is an extension of the
• 3:12:05
  universe space time and nature. Do you say a superior?
• 3:12:10
  Mine, but as far as I can tell something brains than Wisin us
• 3:12:15
  still, probably a lot of wisdom, but I don't understand a complex
• 3:12:27
  brain that would be before. So even now a brain in my all of
• 3:12:33
  it, we can all. Even though I said brain was
• 3:12:37
  top-level if we really wanted to, we could put universe
• 3:12:39
  top-level but there's no examples of brain and then
• 3:12:44
  universe. Do you believe that is possible
• 3:12:47
  that the universe itself could be alive?
• 3:12:51
  Alive. I I mean I'm open to the
• 3:12:55
  possibility. I don't think it is.
• 3:12:56
  I was capable of creating living things but it can't be the
• 3:13:03
  extension of why? That's a very interesting.
• 3:13:07
  Praise because it's not that I would actually plan three
• 3:13:10
  categories that there is living. Non-living the dead and then
• 3:13:19
  just in Adam, if you have things like rocks, which were never
• 3:13:22
  alive, and are not dead. Hey, Amy real quick.
• 3:13:27
  And I asked you, do you believe that qualia are physical?
• 3:13:32
  So this is also. Another thing quality is it was
• 3:13:39
  created by Daniel Dennett. I have Hard time.
• 3:13:44
  Really. Getting I would say neurological
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  backing of what he's trying to explain, but I know what I
• 3:13:53
  understand what he's trying to explain as qualia as the
• 3:13:58
  physiological experience, but I think that's I think that's more
• 3:14:05
  of a Volkswagen. So when I'm trying to get at
• 3:14:19
  then is like, what do you even like?
• 3:14:21
  I don't know how to even communicate with you.
• 3:14:23
  Like what are you saying as an alternative to?
• 3:14:25
  Like, most people you talk to you would say, if they look at a
• 3:14:29
  red apple, they see that it's red.
• 3:14:31
  The redness that they see in their minds or whatever, in
• 3:14:35
  their brain, in their mind, that redness is Alia.
• 3:14:38
  If you take a bite of the apple and a sweet or sour, the
• 3:14:41
  sweetness in the sourness as experienced by us, that's qualia
• 3:14:44
  what it's like to be a bat, those are volley up.
• 3:14:47
  So you're saying you don't even accept the notion of qualia.
• 3:14:50
  What do you, what do you think? How do you think of it rather
• 3:14:54
  than them? I'm open to it.
• 3:14:56
  Once again qualia was coined by one of the Four Horsemen of the
• 3:15:01
  Apocalypse. It was coined by Daniel Dennett,
• 3:15:03
  he's And then Hitchens Richard Dawkins.
• 3:15:06
  So I should be primed you would think to accept it.
• 3:15:12
  I I am not sure there is a AA sing that we could point to
• 3:15:18
  under a microscope and say this is a qualia I don't think
• 3:15:24
  anyone's claiming you can see qualia under a microscope,
• 3:15:26
  that's the whole reason why it's such a difficult problem is that
• 3:15:30
  qualia is and to experience qualia, it's this inner
• 3:15:34
  subjective experience, that is very difficult to investigate
• 3:15:39
  other than just directly experiencing it.
• 3:15:41
  And that's what the hard problem of Consciousness is all about,
• 3:15:43
  is, how do we even begin to think of how to investigate this
• 3:15:47
  scientifically, cuz it's so different from from like a
• 3:15:50
  physical object that's out there that we can just measure or
• 3:15:54
  check the temperature of or something?
• 3:15:57
  But we do have ways of probing just being so probing neurology
• 3:16:03
  and neurology from these. we're able to at least, I try not to
• 3:16:15
  interrupt, but if we can all Be friendly with Wesley for about 5
• 3:16:20
  minutes, if he wants to be stuck with Wesley, you're not going to
• 3:16:31
  go into the whole, I am God bid, are you?
• 3:16:35
  I've never said such words are going to go off in major
• 3:16:43
  locations in love Leslie, Leslie.
• 3:16:47
  It's amazing. You're all not going to tell the
• 3:16:50
  division. Jesus told me to tell so you're
• 3:16:52
  going to all lose everything you had.
• 3:16:54
  When I got to go back over to you, from the bottom of my heart
• 3:17:03
  Wesley. That I remember no such vision.
• 3:17:06
  Yeah, I know. That's what you say.
• 3:17:09
  I know. I wouldn't lie about it and I
• 3:17:11
  also didn't have a tooth heal. I don't believe.
• 3:17:15
  All right. What are you guys talking about
• 3:17:23
  tonight? And Amy was just about to admit
• 3:17:27
  that the Universe had to come from a Creator because it's
• 3:17:30
  impossible that it started on its own any second now.
• 3:17:35
  Wesley, what's your your concept?
• 3:17:38
  Whenever it comes to qualia? How do you perceive it?
• 3:17:41
  Well, I Jesus Christ, created the heavens and the Earth in six
• 3:17:48
  days and rested on the seventh. There was a war in heaven and
• 3:17:52
  Award, right? Can we get rid of Wesley?
• 3:17:55
  He's not capable of a conversation?
• 3:17:57
  You're not capable of as you know you can't deal with it.
• 3:18:03
  You're a spoiled rotten about no or yes, I ask you for something
• 3:18:07
  quality. Go to ask one of your little
• 3:18:14
  froggy things from your throat. Froggy thing for my throat
• 3:18:20
  Wesley you get morning. We're having a very would love
• 3:18:33
  to come back on another night but yeah, Wesley the medication
• 3:18:37
  get it happening. And then come right back right
• 3:18:39
  brother. All right, so Adam, you were
• 3:18:42
  just about to convince Amy at the Holy Spirit.
• 3:18:46
  Right there or think that there's a problem with
• 3:18:50
  communication cuz I don't even know what like was trying to
• 3:18:54
  communicate with Amy with with her rejection of qualia.
• 3:18:58
  I'm not understanding what it is.
• 3:19:00
  She's even stating Like, not that she's necessary wrong and
• 3:19:05
  I'm right. But I just don't understand what
• 3:19:06
  we're talking about. Cuz like if I if I say the hard
• 3:19:09
  problem of consciousness, but, I mean it using qualia and Amy
• 3:19:16
  reject it outright or like I can just not I guess I'm not even
• 3:19:20
  understanding like the starting point on it.
• 3:19:25
  Stone, sure. I just believe that we have.
• 3:19:32
  Our Consciousness is a system of awareness and so you have a
• 3:19:37
  metric that is telling you very much, you know, how or where am
• 3:19:43
  I on one Spectrum you have very aware I could even say very
• 3:19:49
  conscious and then you have on the opposite side, you have not
• 3:19:53
  conscious and so you can imagine a layer in between there, you're
• 3:19:58
  on your coffee. So I'm pretty conscious and kind
• 3:20:01
  of sleepy some kind of not conscious.
• 3:20:03
  And I believe that it is this sort of algorithm that is just
• 3:20:10
  pulling in data, I'm looking outside.
• 3:20:12
  The weather is nice. It feels good on my skin.
• 3:20:15
  I have sensory data for all of this And so I guess that I just
• 3:20:25
  don't think that there is something special about
• 3:20:28
  Consciousness. I think the Consciousness is
• 3:20:31
  amazing and fantastic. I think it's a function, just
• 3:20:35
  like our stomachs are stomachs digest food and so our brains
• 3:20:42
  are mechanisms. I'm sometimes conscious programs
• 3:20:48
  because they actually run non-conscious programs on her
• 3:20:52
  mind like making her heart beat, you know, making our hormones
• 3:20:56
  regulate. But we also have some times in
• 3:20:59
  between you're talking about the easy problem of Consciousness.
• 3:21:04
  You're talkin about sensory data.
• 3:21:06
  The question is about qualia, how does inner experience even
• 3:21:12
  exist at all? How does it occur or what is
• 3:21:14
  interference in qualia to you if you reject the experience part?
• 3:21:19
  Like are you saying that you don't have experiences?
• 3:21:23
  No, I'm very much have experienced, since I very much,
• 3:21:26
  think, we are conscious beings if there are any objective
• 3:21:34
  interest. Absolutely.
• 3:21:36
  I do the hard problem of Consciousness is, how could
• 3:21:41
  These physical things result in an inner experience like that,
• 3:21:45
  and then whenever you respond to it, you keep talking about the
• 3:21:48
  physical part of the boulders molecules and there's a
• 3:21:50
  wavelength. But the question is how does a
• 3:21:52
  wavelength Do something and then result, in an inner experience
• 3:21:57
  of redness or blueness. Like, that's the question.
• 3:22:00
  You're not really addressing the question.
• 3:22:03
  Because I believe when you put all of the pieces together that
• 3:22:08
  you will get conscious experiences, I think that is
• 3:22:13
  what happens when you have say you.
• 3:22:16
  But let's just take Sight and Sound and then you have a system
• 3:22:22
  that is just turning in the sights and sounds and saying,
• 3:22:26
  okay, I'm how far close to an object.
• 3:22:29
  Okay, I heard something scary. I have to start moving away from
• 3:22:33
  an object. I believe that if we were just
• 3:22:36
  build that system artificially speaks, a lot of people will
• 3:22:43
  stay. Once we build these machines, is
• 3:22:46
  they will say, they're not conscious, you know what?
• 3:22:49
  They don't have the qualia, they do not have the secret sauce,
• 3:22:53
  they and I have something that we're having going on inside and
• 3:22:56
  right question to them will be, how do you know, Hey honey.
• 3:23:02
  Just real quick. Do you know this whenever you're
• 3:23:04
  giving analogies? Are you're describing how the
• 3:23:07
  the human body works in the mind and Consciousness.
• 3:23:10
  You always seem to give analogies having to do with
• 3:23:13
  machine, some things that have been developed and programs.
• 3:23:17
  Do you notice that algorithms is what you use.
• 3:23:20
  I don't know if you are aware of this, I will say that is my
• 3:23:24
  background. However, I think where you're
• 3:23:26
  going with, this is a type of Creator type of, you know, of
• 3:23:36
  Creative Design things in order to try to explain your way out
• 3:23:40
  of things, not being created, or designed its unusual, but I get
• 3:23:44
  a kick out of you and me. So Amy.
• 3:23:51
  I feel like you're saying, let me try to put what you're saying
• 3:23:57
  into what I am hearing you saying, you're saying that if
• 3:24:01
  you just put the Pete, the physical pieces together, the
• 3:24:03
  right way, it will result in this other thing, but there's no
• 3:24:09
  explanation of how that works, right?
• 3:24:11
  It's kind of like, saying you You put certain pieces of metal
• 3:24:16
  and plastic and wiring and electricity together.
• 3:24:18
  No. To eventually get a computer but
• 3:24:21
  you're not in any way. Explaining how There can be a
• 3:24:26
  computer, like you're just like out.
• 3:24:28
  Well, if you put the pieces of the computer to get together,
• 3:24:30
  you will eventually get a computer and One of about that
• 3:24:35
  is that there's this interesting difference between the physical
• 3:24:40
  material world, and the inner subjective part that is the
• 3:24:45
  decor question. And you say you're just saying
• 3:24:49
  that. If you do put the physical
• 3:24:51
  pieces together, you will get this intersubjective thing just
• 3:24:53
  automatically and it doesn't require an explanation.
• 3:24:57
  Stop that. It doesn't require an
• 3:24:59
  explanation to see very specific explanation.
• 3:25:01
  Is that Consciousness is the funneling of this information
• 3:25:07
  through a. I don't know whether to call it
• 3:25:12
  an algorithm. A checker.
• 3:25:14
  There is something that is just getting the information.
• 3:25:17
  And going, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue.
• 3:25:24
  In a inner subjective way though, right?
• 3:25:27
  Sure. I guess I just don't really
• 3:25:32
  understand. Your position position, very
• 3:25:39
  specifically is that if you have a sense for your skin, so you
• 3:25:45
  feel something on your skin that is assets.
• 3:25:49
  So, if you are able to see, that is a sense.
• 3:25:54
  If you're able to feel pressure pressure, very specifically is
• 3:25:57
  different from being able to feel like a burning or cut it,
• 3:26:01
  all of these different Sensations.
• 3:26:04
  We are able to manage time. You have a internal clock that
• 3:26:09
  we can actually subvert by putting you under anesthesia.
• 3:26:14
  And so what I am saying, my position.
• 3:26:19
  Very specifically is is not just the five senses.
• 3:26:22
  If you were to create and replicate all of our senses
• 3:26:27
  along, with all of our information intake and output
• 3:26:31
  skills, you will have a conscious being Right.
• 3:26:35
  For you that you have that as an assertion or sort of a statement
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  of faith or fact without evidence.
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  But why are you coming to that conclusion?
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  Because we have no idea why it Like I said, we seem to be here
• 3:26:53
  as a reaction from plants and fungi will wear reaction from
• 3:26:58
  Plants. We compete with fungi because
• 3:27:01
  we're closer related but there was a niche for something that
• 3:27:08
  was offensive. So if you look at how plants
• 3:27:11
  operate, they are extremely defensive, they just sit there,
• 3:27:14
  they get solar energy and they're able to pull where and
• 3:27:19
  through the roots. We are not able to do that as an
• 3:27:22
  organism. We had, we have to gather food.
• 3:27:26
  In fact, Yes, how does the material stuff result in a
• 3:27:31
  subjective feeling? And you're saying it just does
• 3:27:33
  because you put them together and that's how it works with no
• 3:27:36
  further. Explanation is the amalgamation.
• 3:27:42
  Can I tell you how? I know that it's not.
• 3:27:44
  Not that could you see this world around?
• 3:27:48
  You, you see it? It's beautiful, it's lovely.
• 3:27:51
  This is conscious thought, right?
• 3:27:53
  All right, on the count of three were going to close our eyes.
• 3:27:56
  Are you ready 3 before you start the count?
• 3:27:59
  Welcome conspiracy. God closed the Rocks.
• 3:28:06
  Do you notice that we've shut off of vast, majority of the
• 3:28:11
  information coming into our conscious experience, we still
• 3:28:15
  have a pulling of information from our other sources, but if
• 3:28:21
  we were to sit here and go one-by-one and pull all of the
• 3:28:25
  sensory Digga, What be a lot left?
• 3:28:33
  I'm not exactly sure how that goes against the inner feelings
• 3:28:37
  and Consciousness though. It's beautiful a very poetic
• 3:28:41
  way. You put that but I'm not sure.
• 3:28:42
  That was I don't know what's going on here, but you keep
• 3:28:46
  putting the horse before the carriage.
• 3:28:48
  I think is what atoms getting up.
• 3:28:52
  Guess I'm a little confused because Adam we had the same
• 3:28:54
  conversation, I hold Amy's, you verbatim maybe.
• 3:28:57
  I just explained it the way they were accepted or maybe I am.
• 3:29:01
  I came across the snow, I thought the heart problem, I
• 3:29:04
  guess that's why it was my question on the PSR.
• 3:29:06
  Do you accept the SR? Adam What's a PS4?
• 3:29:15
  I'm not sure you might not most philosophers do and most
• 3:29:22
  Christians do, but I reject it and I just think when you reject
• 3:29:25
  something is really don't think that there is a problem and
• 3:29:31
  you're acting like nobody in her explanation that sounds like
• 3:29:34
  even though the quality of trying to understand which part
• 3:29:39
  she doesn't believe in. Like I don't understand that.
• 3:29:42
  So, but we don't need to keep going cuz I've already asked her
• 3:29:45
  like multiple times. So I apologize to the rest.
• 3:29:47
  Like I may be a me you and I can talk about this another time cuz
• 3:29:51
  I was in to see what your positions.
• 3:29:53
  But I still kind of confused by the way.
• 3:29:54
  I think there are different assumptions and wording it
• 3:29:58
  resulted in some confusion on both on both our sides, Tasha, I
• 3:30:03
  want to talk to you more on. I really.
• 3:30:06
  I like I said, I know I'm spicy and I know sometimes some of the
• 3:30:10
  things I say, I think Brown into the politically incorrect field.
• 3:30:14
  But I do want to talk to you more about the Holy Spirit and
• 3:30:19
  the mind, I have another question for you, Amy, do you
• 3:30:27
  want me to? I want to do a little scripture
• 3:30:28
  break, Romans 8:5 through 8 today, that I have to flush to
• 3:30:32
  do mines things of the flesh. But they did after the spirit,
• 3:30:36
  things of the spirit to be spiritually, minded is life in
• 3:30:41
  peace, because it kind of mine is empty against God was not
• 3:30:46
  subject to the law of God either.
• 3:30:47
  Do you can be. So then they are in the flesh.
• 3:30:51
  Can I please got those Romans 8, 5 2, 8?
• 3:30:58
  Also Amy, I'll do you believe in miracles.
• 3:31:02
  I do not. Is there a miracle?
• 3:31:05
  Big enough that if it was just absolutely Supernatural.
• 3:31:10
  Could not be explained scientifically.
• 3:31:12
  You had to concede. That it was a massive Miracle.
• 3:31:15
  Huge portion. Would that make you believe that
• 3:31:18
  there had to be a god? I guess it depends on that
• 3:31:24
  framing the question because if if I know if I'm convinced by
• 3:31:29
  definition that I'm convinced. But if there's something big
• 3:31:33
  enough, I know, they often times when atheist get asked a
• 3:31:37
  question to this, we often go to magic and aliens and all these
• 3:31:44
  sorts of options. And So my answer to you would, I
• 3:31:47
  would have to start the elimination of at least these
• 3:31:50
  sorts of things is. All right.
• 3:31:52
  We have a guy who Can come back from the dead, all the time.
• 3:31:58
  Like we just keep on killing him and he just laughs it off and it
• 3:32:02
  keeps on coming back from the dead, I would say, okay, that is
• 3:32:06
  a phenomenal. I don't know why that phenomenon
• 3:32:10
  is happening. Let's go find out.
• 3:32:12
  Now it's at the end of that Journey.
• 3:32:14
  There is a God, okay, but I guess my point would be now we
• 3:32:20
  have to start figuring out why the phenomenon actually is
• 3:32:23
  happening. Okay, so, in short, there could
• 3:32:30
  be a miracle big enough to make you believe in God.
• 3:32:33
  I mean, there are things that if it were described like the
• 3:32:38
  Abraham at God and be very weird for me to say well it's some
• 3:32:43
  other guy at that point. I'd say, OK, Google on dealing
• 3:32:46
  with if that makes sense. I like it or not.
• 3:32:50
  If you had to admit, there was a God, you would also have to
• 3:32:57
  admit. It was the abrahamic one.
• 3:32:58
  I mean, I need to buy that. I guess it depends on the God.
• 3:33:04
  So if I get someone, that's doing exactly what you said, but
• 3:33:11
  very specifically there, a woman.
• 3:33:13
  They like, listen, I am the daughter of God and all of that
• 3:33:18
  other stuff all wrong. But let me tell you why he come
• 3:33:22
  back from the dead spots. Be come back from the dead over
• 3:33:24
  and over and over and over again.
• 3:33:26
  I I don't know if I would believe their God but I'd
• 3:33:29
  certainly believe they can come back as in head over and over
• 3:33:32
  and over again. What if somebody died and say
• 3:33:34
  two to four days later they came back from the dead like even the
• 3:33:38
  one time would that not be against all medical odds?
• 3:33:42
  No heartbeat. No brain activity.
• 3:33:44
  For 3 Days, Orr 4 days. Came back from the dead just
• 3:33:49
  once, but then we have to see that repeatedly.
• 3:33:53
  To me. Yes.
• 3:33:54
  Was the problem is. How do you now verify?
• 3:33:57
  How do you now say this is something?
• 3:34:00
  They may you verify it because the person comes back from the
• 3:34:03
  dead after 3 days of no heartbeat after 3 days ago Even
• 3:34:11
  in the example we get Jesus, coincidentally just disappears
• 3:34:15
  and so it's not like that. You said that because I never
• 3:34:19
  mentioned Jesus. I never reference.
• 3:34:24
  His experience at all. We were talking about that, you
• 3:34:29
  knew Jesus was the case that's interesting.
• 3:34:33
  Amy play. Every we were talking about
• 3:34:37
  God's that came back from the dead.
• 3:34:40
  That's kind of fits the mo. I feel like if you were doing a
• 3:34:43
  part of God coming back from the dead, I said a person but it's
• 3:34:48
  interesting that you associate Jesus Christ, with being God,
• 3:34:51
  you're going to come back to the faith.
• 3:34:55
  I'll be honest with you. I will say funny that you did.
• 3:35:00
  You guys know that only one Gospel of the four gospels?
• 3:35:05
  Mentions. That Jesus is God, I'm actually
• 3:35:08
  convinced that the Christians that are the apostles, did not
• 3:35:12
  believe that Jesus was the son of God Amy.
• 3:35:15
  Did you know that the entirety of the Old Testament is a
• 3:35:19
  sequence of four Shadows that Jesus Christ.
• 3:35:21
  Fulfilled. I disagree, I know you're going
• 3:35:24
  to bring up something like Isaiah and things like that,
• 3:35:27
  where they try and references. I don't know that it's in every
• 3:35:31
  book of the Bible. Amy.
• 3:35:32
  And I know that you're Jewish. That's awesome.
• 3:35:35
  I'm Hebrew on my Fireside. So we have probably both of us a
• 3:35:40
  great understanding of the Hebrew side of the Old Testament
• 3:35:42
  that we can have a fantastic conversation.
• 3:35:45
  Yes, sir. When is your show about whether
• 3:35:49
  Jesus Is God cuz what Amy just brought up is very relevant to
• 3:35:53
  that, right, only the Gospel of John.
• 3:36:03
  No, other gospel mention, Jesus is the son of God, and you think
• 3:36:08
  it's odd. That is 75% of the Gospel.
• 3:36:11
  There's no mention of Jesus being God or the son of a few
• 3:36:17
  decades later than the other. Verbs, are you doing a show
• 3:36:24
  tomorrow? Because I had planned on doing
• 3:36:26
  something to 7 p.m. central? Or are you the ocean?
• 3:36:30
  And I can move that to Saturday, so it's not conflicting with
• 3:36:36
  your show. I will probably be off, probably
• 3:36:39
  not going up now, will move that, or I hope that you guys
• 3:36:44
  come over, cuz I meant what I said in front of it, that you
• 3:36:47
  guys are great host, and it would be great if you guys could
• 3:36:50
  be part of the show, would you be willing to have this
• 3:36:53
  discussion about the Trinity with Amy and Adam if they're
• 3:36:57
  able to show up? Stop.
• 3:37:01
  I don't know if you believe in the Trinity the way I do, do
• 3:37:03
  you. Okay, well that might be
• 3:37:11
  interesting so I guess we'll show up.
• 3:37:13
  Yeah, we'll be there. Bright I may not be able to make
• 3:37:17
  it. I have something planned already
• 3:37:18
  for tomorrow in central you got there but I make sure I lose all
• 3:37:41
  the time. So I give the money back to the
• 3:37:42
  people. I carry.
• 3:37:43
  Then, what about you wrecked? It wouldn't be a complete show
• 3:37:48
  unless we had some simulations and base reality.
• 3:37:50
  I got to have somebody at the crazy.
• 3:37:53
  Be alright. Why didn't say you were crazy?
• 3:37:55
  Do you feel that way about yourself?
• 3:37:58
  I recognize that my view can come across as crazy as her.
• 3:38:02
  You seem can't, like you kind of proud of the idea of being
• 3:38:04
  crazy, or I can try to hide the fact, I have a preference.
• 3:38:15
  I don't want to be anywhere near what they call normal people.
• 3:38:18
  I just want it. All crazy, all the way down line
• 3:38:20
  this way. It's got to be a brat.
• 3:38:27
  Mr. Doctor chaos gets mad, man. I love you.
• 3:38:33
  Hey, long time. No.
• 3:38:41
  See. This man was asking about
• 3:38:48
  existed because I made that mistake.
• 3:38:49
  Last time I met him more interesting questions to ask.
• 3:38:56
  All of you Christians, I almost feel feel bad saying but there
• 3:39:02
  are some creatures out there that are bumping in the night.
• 3:39:05
  Amy if you don't mind me asking cuz you and Adam were here on to
• 3:39:09
  some pretty neat stuff there. But what kind of variables in
• 3:39:13
  the environment happened to cause something to evolve pain
• 3:39:17
  receptors is the ability to have in their experiences.
• 3:39:20
  Is it like pressure or some kind of weird stuff in the water?
• 3:39:24
  What causes question. I think we can see why we have
• 3:39:29
  pain. When I look at people who don't
• 3:39:31
  have pain receptors or they don't work.
• 3:39:33
  And that is that they grind their teeth, they break their
• 3:39:36
  bones, they do horrible things to their body, and they don't
• 3:39:40
  even know it. And so, I believe this is a
• 3:39:43
  reaction that this is a naturally selected for mechanism
• 3:39:49
  for a nervous system for which were able to react as organisms.
• 3:39:54
  Can you explain or elaborate on how natural selection basically
• 3:39:59
  chooses for you to feel the temperature or painful impact?
• 3:40:06
  I believe that he must have come about by slow Razzle processes
• 3:40:12
  because we can imagine Can't imagine plants, spilling
• 3:40:18
  temperature or feeling those things.
• 3:40:20
  However we seem to have these mechanisms to help us regulate
• 3:40:26
  homeostasis. They want to be a certain
• 3:40:30
  temperature because we're also warm-blooded creatures.
• 3:40:33
  We want to It is our mechanism by which we walk of macroscopic
• 3:40:43
  landscape is Beavis conscious creature gather food.
• 3:40:47
  Sometimes feel pain. Cuz we need to have these, we
• 3:40:51
  have these flight or fright responses, and I think that's
• 3:40:55
  his bills off each other because you have things like the list.
• 3:41:00
  It's almost insulting to call the lizard brain at this point,
• 3:41:03
  because they're, I'm sorry. Amy, could I ask at a dart?
• 3:41:07
  The question? Absolutely.
• 3:41:10
  Darth, are you there? What is the name of your God?
• 3:41:16
  I'm kidding. I want to know.
• 3:41:18
  Rex above. You is also atheist but he is
• 3:41:23
  not atheist of the Christian variety or any of the abrahamic.
• 3:41:27
  Faiths, it is a foreign deity. I was wondering with you being a
• 3:41:31
  polytheist. Do you use validate Rex's gun?
• 3:41:36
  Do you acknowledge it? Which one you only got it.
• 3:41:39
  Probably won't validate. It's probably the
• 3:41:41
  Zoroastrianism. God, I think that was credited
• 3:41:44
  certified. They was made up.
• 3:41:51
  No. It's it's literally a made-up
• 3:41:54
  God. Can I ask because you're not a
• 3:41:58
  Christian? So can I ask is the Christian
• 3:42:00
  God of made up on? Well first, I want to find out,
• 3:42:03
  if if he validates Bryce's God Breck's, are you still there?
• 3:42:09
  And you have you met right? I'm here.
• 3:42:11
  But if I remember right now. Yeah, that's made up is edema.
• 3:42:25
  Bruce or is it may be a star? But it is a real demon.
• 3:42:43
  The real demon. Amy I'm curious.
• 3:42:48
  Have you met Rex and heard his very interesting story?
• 3:42:52
  I don't believe so. Well, we don't have time at some
• 3:42:55
  point. I I just have a unique
• 3:42:57
  experience that would have found you.
• 3:43:01
  Mary Jo Campbell to make it tomorrow.
• 3:43:03
  If you do, will definitely find time.
• 3:43:05
  Correct. Rex is got some very, very
• 3:43:08
  fascinating ideas, and I think you'd have a good time with him.
• 3:43:13
  Anyways, in a goddess. Yes, but you did say you were
• 3:43:23
  open to the possibility of a of a character being able to do
• 3:43:26
  this. No, I got only in the sense that
• 3:43:40
  she controls life and death in the literal sense.
• 3:43:44
  Not a metaphysical one was Jeffrey Dahmer, at one point of
• 3:43:49
  God, if we're going to just buy that scale.
• 3:43:51
  That's really weird to say that is not my position to know that
• 3:44:04
  leaves open to a variety of sickos out there.
• 3:44:09
  I think we need to raise the bar a little bit for what
• 3:44:12
  constitutes. A God.
• 3:44:14
  That's my point. I also easier than explaining
• 3:44:17
  what I believe most the time to work.
• 3:44:20
  God spices. Rex, if you don't mind me asking
• 3:44:24
  did the the Sabine that you had an interaction with it, actually
• 3:44:28
  tell you that it was a goddess. Now, so you just figured due to
• 3:44:35
  some of the conversation, you just imply that helps me for my
• 3:44:44
  moral framework. I assume that is the gold gods
• 3:44:47
  for most humans. So Darth could absolutely be
• 3:44:51
  correct. You could be following like a
• 3:44:53
  demon or an entity that is leading you along right now We
• 3:44:58
  all could they? I mean, there's no no one can
• 3:45:00
  get past a card scheme in my friend.
• 3:45:03
  I can. Good for you.
• 3:45:10
  All right, we want to do some more qualia.
• 3:45:13
  What's on there by the mine where we want to go from here?
• 3:45:18
  I'm okay, but it's going to be my last subject and then I'm
• 3:45:20
  going to go eat wings and pasta. Amy, do you believe that the
• 3:45:33
  whenever you describe biology and nature and all that, it's
• 3:45:37
  very clear that you see it as some kind of systems,
• 3:45:40
  overlapping systems with some kind of goal and orientation to
• 3:45:45
  it. You said that you're not really
• 3:45:49
  so much into the concept of chance.
• 3:45:52
  Can you explain that? A little bit more?
• 3:45:54
  Sears normally mean chance. They just think that everything
• 3:46:01
  just got thrown around. In fact, we sometimes get like a
• 3:46:05
  tornado through a dumpster and then you just get Shakespeare
• 3:46:08
  out of it. But that's not actually, what
• 3:46:10
  happens, what happens is, we had the hydrogen coalesce into
• 3:46:15
  Stars, those Stars eventually got big enough to push the
• 3:46:18
  Supernova created all the higher-level elements, and then
• 3:46:22
  eventually we had rocky planet that allowed for life and then
• 3:46:28
  on those very specific life arose and so it doesn't really
• 3:46:32
  look like a lottery ticket. From that perspective, we could
• 3:46:36
  say it is from our perspective. We could say, well, hey, we live
• 3:46:39
  here at such a big universe and what are the chances in such a
• 3:46:43
  big universe, but this looks like a place that life shouldn't
• 3:46:48
  would develop on. And so it's not surprising that
• 3:46:51
  it did happen. what variables are components in nature and has
• 3:46:57
  given you the function or ability of inner experiences, Of
• 3:47:02
  inner experiences, I believe very specifically that is our
• 3:47:06
  men million brain. In fact to keep on going, I
• 3:47:09
  would say it's also our Sapien bring because I think that not
• 3:47:14
  only do we have conscious experience, I think we are
• 3:47:18
  sentient. I think that we have feelings
• 3:47:20
  and that we react to the data and then I believe that we can
• 3:47:27
  pass things like the mirror test, which is a showing that we
• 3:47:32
  can be introspective and that we actually have a inner world and
• 3:47:37
  outer world. That there is a me here and
• 3:47:40
  there is a someone else outside. And I think that's what you are
• 3:47:44
  seeing when I think, you know, we're starting to ask some of
• 3:47:49
  these questions that I we we would see things like a koala, a
• 3:47:55
  type of experience in Birds because they have analogous
• 3:48:02
  structures with in other primates with dolphins.
• 3:48:06
  And so I guess I guess that would be my main point is that
• 3:48:16
  it is supposed to come here from the environment, not like a
• 3:48:21
  someone from up high saying, we need to have brain, we need to
• 3:48:27
  have Consciousness, it's just in the niche.
• 3:48:31
  If you look at all the organisms that are going to be out and
• 3:48:34
  about and doing things there was an open market.
• 3:48:38
  So to speak for conscious creatures.
• 3:48:43
  Amy. I feel like a lot of your
• 3:48:46
  explanations are, it would be convenient if we had the
• 3:48:48
  straight and just the way that the Universe worked out, it
• 3:48:53
  resulted in the trait, that would be convenient to have
• 3:48:55
  without an actual explanation of how that trade arises.
• 3:49:00
  I think it arises out of connecting all of the necessary
• 3:49:05
  pieces. I think the hardest part is just
• 3:49:08
  trying to create all of the necessary sensory things.
• 3:49:13
  And also a lot of things that have nothing to do with
• 3:49:17
  Consciousness or the brain. An example right now is for
• 3:49:22
  decades, it's been hard to make hard moving robots, something
• 3:49:27
  that we find extremely easy to do.
• 3:49:30
  However, when we do have very manipulative will robots that
• 3:49:36
  have opposable thumbs. We're going to be getting, I
• 3:49:40
  think closer and closer to getting organisms that can have,
• 3:49:46
  you know, the sorts of experiences that we're going to
• 3:49:49
  start feeling putting things in our mouths, if they have to take
• 3:49:52
  an energy going to the bathroom, a lot of people always joke,
• 3:49:56
  they say, I want to just upload my Consciousness, just get rid
• 3:49:59
  of the whole body to get rid of it all, and I always warn
• 3:50:03
  people, I say it may sound very nice to just check everything,
• 3:50:08
  but I think that a lot of the phenomenal experiences that we
• 3:50:13
  like come out of just being a down-and-dirty animal, it feels
• 3:50:20
  good to eat ice cream because of this Rush of sugar and dopamine
• 3:50:25
  that is happening. And so if you take that away, if
• 3:50:29
  you take your ability to need sugar and you no longer have
• 3:50:32
  that. So any more cutting yourself off
• 3:50:35
  at the heels for what you actually, like about
• 3:50:38
  consciousness. Are you said that there's a
• 3:50:41
  robot system developed that may be able to form Consciousness
• 3:50:44
  right there with your self? And I I think that it would do
• 3:50:51
  it. I would highly suggest it be
• 3:50:54
  alive and intelligent mind. If I put that together, zillion
• 3:51:05
  times that's not what's happening.
• 3:51:18
  It wasn't just us throwing things together.
• 3:51:21
  It was very basic, chemical, building blocks that forms
• 3:51:28
  self-replicating molecules just like we often times see in
• 3:51:32
  Crystal beds. It was a carbon base that
• 3:51:37
  weather was an RN, a model world or something else.
• 3:51:40
  Eventually just started replicating to the point where
• 3:51:43
  it was protective self-sustaining like a DNA and
• 3:51:49
  then you just have the chain now.
• 3:51:50
  All you need is time and I know a lot of fishing to say that we
• 3:51:53
  worship time, that that is just UK with time.
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  It just saves all things. Exact opposite way, because I
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  view it having more time. Makes sense from The Young are
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  Christian while. I don't understand why the last
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  time makes sense answer. I agree the time isn't wolf,
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  just saying time for anything, but in this case time is the
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  very solution. Because I often get that
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  microevolution, sure. Of course, we believe in that
• 3:52:26
  everyone sees microevolution going on, but then it's all I
• 3:52:31
  want is now saying that there's a reason why microevolution,
• 3:52:41
  will stop like it has a gap or it has a wall or it has some
• 3:52:46
  reason to why it's not what we say.
• 3:52:48
  We say it's just complete it fulfilled.
• 3:52:53
  Its purpose that's very different than saying I would
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  just stop. I don't know, I think what she
• 3:53:02
  saying like, I guess because it doesn't go forward.
• 3:53:07
  Doesn't mean like an error? No, a complete the process.
• 3:53:10
  It's meant to be allowed. If you believe in speciation
• 3:53:17
  microevolution, if you were just to allow that to continue for
• 3:53:21
  millions of years, what is stopping it from these drastic
• 3:53:25
  changes eventually. Gal, right.
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  Okay. So a million years from now, you
• 3:53:33
  might have different looking dogs but they're not going to be
• 3:53:36
  that much different looking. They might have thicker or
• 3:53:39
  thinner fur or they might even be bald but they'll still be
• 3:53:42
  some sort of canine species. They won't be a whale or a
• 3:53:46
  banana or whatever. They say we branched off all
• 3:53:49
  start out as a dog to being something so different that it's
• 3:53:55
  no longer a dog. Because that would get into
• 3:53:58
  macro-evolution and that's just where we draw the line.
• 3:54:01
  But why are you drawing this line though?
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  Cuz I say we do things, we follow the barriers set by the
• 3:54:11
  Bible so you don't have an app. What's causing what for not
• 3:54:17
  being a possibility. Do you believe that?
• 3:54:19
  There's some kind of like constraint within or biology
• 3:54:24
  that makes it that we have certain DNA a certain way that
• 3:54:27
  can't change like a rope. You can always change so much
• 3:54:30
  but there's like a barrier there's like literally varieties
• 3:54:37
  of a species but a species can eventually turn into a
• 3:54:40
  completely different species. That's where we draw the line
• 3:54:43
  DNA that stops them. However you want to break kind
• 3:54:53
  down. So the question for you, do you
• 3:54:57
  think a God created the polar bear?
• 3:55:01
  God, created everything. I think God created whatever the
• 3:55:09
  ancestor of the polar bear species.
• 3:55:11
  Was the polar bear kind of specific.
• 3:55:17
  I think the polar bear is possibly a variation of an
• 3:55:20
  original kind. the white Dalmatian dog, dalmatian I think
• 3:55:33
  he created the dog kind so he didn't create the dalmatian
• 3:55:38
  though. Specifically the Dalmatia
• 3:55:40
  specifically is a variation of the original species or kind
• 3:55:44
  that he created ancestor. I can't do no kind or not.
• 3:55:57
  I don't know if that's a variation off of the original
• 3:56:00
  kind, maybe that's the original kind and everything else is a
• 3:56:03
  variation. I cannot tell you that, do you
• 3:56:09
  think that he created this dog or not?
• 3:56:11
  As far as I feel like, I've answered the question twice.
• 3:56:15
  In a way, I'm just asking, whatever.
• 3:56:26
  Is the original ancestor of that kind it is related to, you know,
• 3:56:34
  that I guess I'm just asking like in specifically the
• 3:56:41
  Darkrai, the panda bear. I can't answer the question any
• 3:56:47
  differently than I did the first round.
• 3:56:49
  So I don't know if someone else could maybe chimed in and be
• 3:56:52
  more productive, you have no problem with this morning.
• 3:56:56
  So I think the dalmatian is 200 years old, gives you a problem
• 3:56:59
  with that to send the dalmatian with selectively bred from other
• 3:57:01
  breeds of dog picture. So, you would say that humans
• 3:57:06
  created that, but God created the kind that made the breed
• 3:57:09
  essentially correct. We don't even stay in science.
• 3:57:15
  We look, we don't even see this crossing over.
• 3:57:16
  We don't see it. Only way you guys go back as
• 3:57:19
  they say these bones. Look like something changed that
• 3:57:25
  we have. As far as macro-evolution is
• 3:57:29
  either theory for involves. Amy has said, something came to
• 3:57:40
  buy Pokemon evolution. So do you expect to be right
• 3:57:43
  back? The expect, like the evolutions.
• 3:57:46
  You like be sudden to go from like I don't know if I'm like a
• 3:57:51
  wolf or dog within one generation.
• 3:57:53
  Or do you expect it to be gradually through microevolution
• 3:57:58
  and then it accumulates into macro-evolution cuz that's what
• 3:58:02
  they're actually saying. No issues is going to say.
• 3:58:06
  Macro-evolution is how it happens.
• 3:58:08
  Are all saying it's through. Microevolution, that's
• 3:58:11
  accumulating into the macro. I just thought, I'd go on record
• 3:58:15
  by saying, I've never agreed with bubbles and the past few
• 3:58:20
  Theus more in the past few minutes.
• 3:58:21
  So just said, That's not that's not funny so we can see.
• 3:58:27
  Or is there if that's what theory is still just a theory.
• 3:58:37
  That's just a theory is that it's not it's not proven science
• 3:58:39
  so you know but what time is simply taking the old younger
• 3:58:52
  thracian is evolution his tail and expanding upon it.
• 3:58:56
  So evolution is actually a young Earth, creationists Terry.
• 3:59:00
  So bad back in the day but it would consider themselves
• 3:59:14
  creations. Okay, then they could be wrong.
• 3:59:19
  No, actually you're all the evolutionists.
• 3:59:32
  I hope I don't I don't get how you making me, Evolution Cyrus.
• 3:59:35
  I never said we came from any other monkey or anything else
• 3:59:37
  and what they simply done is taking, microevolution and ran
• 3:59:47
  with it and expanded upon it into macro-evolution.
• 3:59:50
  So there is nothing to me, right?
• 3:59:57
  If you don't, they don't go by what the Bible says.
• 3:59:59
  The Bible does not say anywhere or even hint at any kind of what
• 4:00:03
  people call Evolution changing the species.
• 4:00:05
  No says God created man from the dust of the ground.
• 4:00:09
  It's going to be a Christian by that.
• 4:00:12
  Very definition of they don't believe that they are not
• 4:00:14
  Christians, microevolution as Christians would say.
• 4:00:18
  So so like I think you're a different type of questions
• 4:00:22
  they're stumped. So like I think I would agree
• 4:00:25
  with you. But there are Christians and I
• 4:00:28
  think the majority of Jenna's creationist would say that
• 4:00:32
  microevolution is a Christian Theory.
• 4:00:36
  I just want to point out that an organism will never stop being
• 4:00:40
  the top-level thing. And so like, we're never going
• 4:00:43
  to stop being mammals were never going to stop being simians or
• 4:00:48
  alive or multicellular. And there is nothing within
• 4:00:54
  genetics that says. All right, we have two things,
• 4:00:57
  dogs and we're just going to put them over on different
• 4:01:01
  continents. And on millions of years, the
• 4:01:05
  Dogs ends up not being completely without fur, but they
• 4:01:11
  are completely aquatic organisms.
• 4:01:15
  They're completely like, whales or Dolphins.
• 4:01:17
  We see this happening with other artists.
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  Male dogs. Hi.
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  Hi. They have such a quick
• 4:01:28
  Reproductive Rights. So, as far as macro-evolution
• 4:01:36
  because, you know, I know a lot of the time argument and for the
• 4:01:40
  record I know, Stephen will probably make fun of me for this
• 4:01:43
  but yet another subject I ride the fence on but I'd prefer a
• 4:01:48
  vast majority of my life. I very very strongly believe in
• 4:01:51
  evolution and I will get you back on to some degree except
• 4:02:00
  that it may be true but I am much less open to the idea that
• 4:02:07
  it may not be true. So I know the arguments that
• 4:02:12
  people make and one of the arguments is that
• 4:02:14
  macro-evolution takes a very long time but Where that kind of
• 4:02:20
  breaks down is when you're talking about things, like, I'm
• 4:02:23
  at looking at the things like bacteria, you know, because it
• 4:02:26
  would take a very, very long time for humans or just a
• 4:02:29
  straight is 9 months and even dogs.
• 4:02:31
  It's still at 3 months, but for bacteria, they've reproduced so
• 4:02:36
  quickly. And I mean, you can make
• 4:02:38
  thousands and thousands of generations of bacteria in just
• 4:02:41
  a few years. So you should see erratically,
• 4:02:45
  be able to, at least much more easily.
• 4:02:48
  Replicate some kind of macro-evolution with bacteria,
• 4:02:52
  but scientists have been unable to do that so far I guess it
• 4:02:59
  depends on what your activity candy, Mac, move Evolution from
• 4:03:03
  speciation but there's Number one, it makes sense that for
• 4:03:11
  billions of years, it was just that model, it was just bacteria
• 4:03:15
  and maybe viruses, and it wasn't until there was what I would
• 4:03:22
  call this symbiotic. Revolution is that one bacteria
• 4:03:27
  and another bacteria that bacteria didn't break down and
• 4:03:32
  has since been actually generating energy for that cell
• 4:03:37
  and we call that mitochondria mitochondria have their own DNA
• 4:03:42
  completely separate from our main cell's DNA and then plants
• 4:03:48
  have a third they have floor class and so these different
• 4:03:52
  types of Benchmarks in biology where steps forward because once
• 4:04:00
  mitochondria be became a thing it quickly speciated into plants
• 4:04:07
  animals and fungi and we got these massively big fruiting
• 4:04:13
  bodies. And so, yes, bacteria are
• 4:04:17
  fantastic and they reproduce very quickly.
• 4:04:22
  And so you get these multiple generations.
• 4:04:25
  And so, you got this trade-off with these bigger structures
• 4:04:30
  that, although you get a much more complicated system because
• 4:04:35
  fungi actually use what bacteria bacteria use a precursor to sex,
• 4:04:42
  they're called Maiden types and so fungi also use meeting types
• 4:04:46
  but plants and animals have developed something,
• 4:04:50
  sophisticated that we call sex and so you don't even need have
• 4:04:54
  Consciousness to have sex. Plants have it all the time but
• 4:04:59
  that's a story of evolution. Amy what she's asking is for an
• 4:05:02
  experiment that can be done today since I live.
• 4:05:06
  Illusionist generation is Generation base and I like your
• 4:05:09
  timepiece on the generations. Sends can have multiple
• 4:05:14
  Generations within our lifetime. We can then use a bacteria that
• 4:05:19
  you provide observable Evolution.
• 4:05:22
  Then I'll glad that's different character trait.
• 4:05:33
  You no longer breathe, but that girl ecoli it has all sorts of
• 4:05:36
  new features abilities and is entirely.
• 4:05:39
  What point is it? When are the balls enough to
• 4:05:45
  turn my training? Can I train you to go pick up
• 4:05:47
  the newspaper and come back? Rex I have no constructive
• 4:05:57
  mutations. Sure.
• 4:05:58
  You can have that for mental and beneficial mutations but none of
• 4:06:02
  them each a sad that he call I have constructive.
• 4:06:04
  And so yeah, I can make people. What do you mean?
• 4:06:08
  What do you mean by a Chihuahua and a Rottweiler two different
• 4:06:18
  species? Because the chihuahua has been
• 4:06:20
  adopted to be so different. So that may be a poor example,
• 4:06:29
  but the differences are quite extensive, but they're still
• 4:06:33
  there, still dogs, know what I'm saying?
• 4:06:37
  In the experiment. There was no construction what I
• 4:06:41
  mean by that, is that shirt? You can have beneficial
• 4:06:45
  mutations, but no beneficial, mutations can be For example,
• 4:06:53
  you can have a people with the disease that can attract your
• 4:06:59
  mate, but you could have disease against your pale skin and red
• 4:07:02
  hair that's a disease but it sure it's beneficial but is not
• 4:07:08
  constructed. Yeah, you can have a beneficial
• 4:07:12
  disease where you say that people with pale skin and red
• 4:07:16
  hair have a disease. Well, then just moving the
• 4:07:22
  goalposts evolution says that you will evolve to get your
• 4:07:26
  knees and it does that we are showing examples of evolution
• 4:07:30
  and thinking. I can let dogs come from wolves
• 4:07:36
  and Manchester with eight different than than just
• 4:07:43
  creating something A variation of something that's extremely
• 4:07:49
  different from the original. I think those two things are
• 4:07:52
  distinct. Really different about, not
• 4:07:56
  saying that what I'm saying is the Eco, light experiment shows
• 4:07:59
  like is akin to having a person becoming crippled and down
• 4:08:02
  syndrome in sty. Look, make a no longer made with
• 4:08:05
  the original humans, don't know. Cuz if they have all these
• 4:08:09
  diseases that they're Superior to their new environment, The
• 4:08:22
  other running the other operations so they got rid of
• 4:08:27
  its software so it doesn't have to run it.
• 4:08:31
  Sure. You don't have to expend but
• 4:08:34
  that's akin to taking out the doors.
• 4:08:36
  On your Honda. You taking out the doors.
• 4:08:38
  Okay, where are you from? I'm picking up on Korean accent.
• 4:08:50
  I'm picking up on Australian. Interesting, like, are you
• 4:08:53
  alive? Well, I am too.
• 4:08:59
  I mean, I'm a European mud. I'm English to Irish Cottage in
• 4:09:02
  German and then I have 3% Congo, but I was just curious cuz your
• 4:09:06
  accent's like throwing me off. I got the I got like multiple
• 4:09:12
  cuz I'm been around the country. So I like I pick up a lot of
• 4:09:16
  accidents from the inspector for Nia.
• 4:09:23
  So you know, I'm all over the place.
• 4:09:25
  Like your American, what's your ethnicity in America?
• 4:09:43
  Also awake. I just want to get one last
• 4:09:46
  example and then I really do have to head up cuz I have to
• 4:09:48
  wake up in the morning, but a a good.
• 4:09:54
  Example of macro-evolution is Wales.
• 4:09:58
  We often talked about how did such a creature come to be.
• 4:10:03
  And the first example that we could tell a real is not the
• 4:10:09
  same as a fish is because of how they swim.
• 4:10:14
  So a fish because of how its backbone is oriented has to go,
• 4:10:19
  right, to left, right to left, but because you never stop being
• 4:10:23
  what you were before. A whale is a mammal and will
• 4:10:29
  always be a mammal. And thus, its back those
• 4:10:32
  oriented in such a way that it would have to go up and down
• 4:10:35
  just like we would end. So we take this end.
• 4:10:40
  We look at other examples where we actually see that vestigial
• 4:10:47
  leg bones within them, that look like they used to have a pelvic
• 4:10:52
  region, that would handle legs and we are able to eventually
• 4:10:56
  categorize them very close to two-toed all the autobots.
• 4:11:01
  Again, say it like hippos and eventually related to beer.
• 4:11:06
  I seen that. I don't know that you'd call
• 4:11:09
  them map, but you've probably seen the anatomical structures
• 4:11:13
  that are in a lot of the textbooks where it'll show the
• 4:11:15
  various different species and the different physiology and
• 4:11:19
  bone structure underneath and they'll like highlight the
• 4:11:22
  different sections of the same colors and kind of show you the
• 4:11:25
  process of evolution. In pictures, which is very
• 4:11:31
  interesting. But still, it doesn't solve the
• 4:11:34
  fact that and it may be that we haven't had enough time.
• 4:11:37
  You know why I will admit that maybe that we maybe have not had
• 4:11:40
  enough time of trying but still leave yet to been able we've yet
• 4:11:45
  to be able to take something of one species and create a
• 4:11:49
  variation. So different that it is now a
• 4:11:53
  new species because that's essentially that's the.
• 4:11:57
  The fundamentals of evolution is microevolution is obviously a
• 4:12:01
  major part of evolution itself. But the main thing of evolution
• 4:12:06
  is it is how it how we explain that we went from bacteria to
• 4:12:11
  humans or bacteria to fish and birds and, you know, it's a
• 4:12:14
  learning center and we've yet to be able to observe that
• 4:12:18
  Physically in real time. Well, I guess it depends on what
• 4:12:24
  it is because like what Rex was saying that is at least an
• 4:12:27
  example of that of evolution. In fact, macro-evolution because
• 4:12:33
  of speciation, what I would push back on from the creationist.
• 4:12:38
  And when I think is there go to slogan, I can almost hear Kent
• 4:12:42
  hovind. The back of my head is just
• 4:12:43
  being a lost do Nicolae. And that's right because that's
• 4:12:48
  how Evolution works. It has to be nested.
• 4:12:51
  And so a fruit fly. Even if it were to be two
• 4:12:55
  different speciation to fruit-fly still a fruit fly, it
• 4:12:59
  would be like, asking the question, when are we going to
• 4:13:01
  stop being manels? But the answer is because the
• 4:13:06
  fact is, is, if evolution is true, we all came from
• 4:13:09
  essentially the primordial soup. Do something in your life.
• 4:13:14
  Something that is a carbon Rich environment.
• 4:13:26
  That's either getting funneled in energy, either through
• 4:13:30
  electricity, or from hydrothermal vents.
• 4:13:35
  And then, yeah, but having liquid water on the surface.
• 4:13:39
  Amy, didn't we used to be fish? Not only did we used to be fish,
• 4:13:46
  but we will always it is where we got our original back from
• 4:13:50
  bone from. And so we still have those
• 4:13:53
  traits. We are closer related to fish.
• 4:13:56
  Then we are two sharks who do not share that type of bony
• 4:14:00
  structure. We share that are you that we
• 4:14:06
  still are fish. We are cortex and say it, we
• 4:14:11
  have court. We will wait on, you know that
• 4:14:18
  we were at one point by Dennis fires.
• 4:14:27
  A mammal. I do.
• 4:14:28
  Yeah. Very wholeheartedly identify as
• 4:14:31
  a male. I just left my understanding of
• 4:14:41
  the categorization of what the different animals are like, I'm
• 4:14:44
  not a Bird. So you're okay with being
• 4:14:48
  related to a squirrel, but it's the fish that really doesn't.
• 4:14:51
  I believe that I'm related to fish more distantly but I don't
• 4:14:55
  believe that mammals are still fish.
• 4:14:57
  That's all I was asking all that.
• 4:14:58
  Well, I mean, we're never going to stop ever being the top level
• 4:15:08
  category but we're on land, we breathe.
• 4:15:10
  Are we are no longer and Aquatic organism that has guilt sweet.
• 4:15:16
  We function differently. Stop.
• 4:15:18
  If we We recorded were very specific type of fish.
• 4:15:24
  There were other fish that are still in water when we are
• 4:15:28
  still. I don't understand, of course,
• 4:15:34
  if we are specific type of fish, but they're not sharks or
• 4:15:40
  dolphins are not fish. Yeah, well very specifically.
• 4:15:46
  Yes, they're not like the type of fish that we see in the ocean
• 4:15:49
  fish and there's the reason why they're no longer fish and still
• 4:15:57
  mammals. I think they are just answer the
• 4:16:01
  question but if you if you identify mammals as building
• 4:16:06
  fish but you started your premise out that this is the
• 4:16:08
  reason why Dolphins aren't fish. Because we have a completely
• 4:16:15
  different backbone. So just because saying that we
• 4:16:18
  came from fish, doesn't mean the fish still exist.
• 4:16:21
  Are you saying the Dolphins are fish?
• 4:16:24
  Are not fish are both are fish and are not fish from the board.
• 4:16:33
  The core data cord. That is very specific iPhone.
• 4:16:39
  But when we became a mammal, another word, that means no
• 4:16:45
  longer operated like that. What you're saying is incorrect
• 4:16:50
  because you said, we always stayed the thing.
• 4:16:51
  We were at what we started out as in vertebrates, and then we
• 4:16:54
  got a backbone. So we didn't stay in
• 4:16:56
  vertebrates. Like, we didn't stay a single
• 4:16:58
  celled, organism that we still got our bonus structure from
• 4:17:03
  fish? No, absolutely.
• 4:17:04
  Like a face model comes from there like the whole lateral.
• 4:17:13
  Running in half and like how we have two eyes and how, like our
• 4:17:16
  thoughts are on one side and are faced on the other.
• 4:17:19
  But just because you came from fish, doesn't mean you spay, a
• 4:17:22
  fish the entire time when I'm out.
• 4:17:25
  Now, I'm saying we are mammals but I don't think I think that
• 4:17:28
  mammals and fish are different. Like that's the classical way.
• 4:17:31
  It was treated like back in the day.
• 4:17:35
  Well, there's some kind of cut off between tetrapods words.
• 4:17:38
  Like fish. Eventually will become a bands
• 4:17:41
  are reptiles and reptiles will become a different category,
• 4:17:44
  right? But just because we came from
• 4:17:48
  fish, doesn't mean that we could jump in the water and breathe.
• 4:17:54
  Right? I don't think anyone's making
• 4:17:56
  that claim. I'm just I was just pointing out
• 4:17:57
  that. I think it's silly the way a lot
• 4:18:00
  of people like today, identify as fish as if we still are fish.
• 4:18:05
  But then they also say the Dolphins aren't fish and even
• 4:18:09
  that sharks aren't fish, which is a common thing where it's
• 4:18:11
  like washing sharks are fish, but even if sharks weren't fish,
• 4:18:16
  you are saying that if somebody has efficient stays, if it is
• 4:18:19
  just completely contradicts like why you say one sentence,
• 4:18:22
  contradicts what you mean in the next sentence?
• 4:18:25
  I do not see it that way and what whales are or are not fish
• 4:18:32
  and you said whales are fish. So that's a double, they are
• 4:18:37
  still corix. They are still, I still have
• 4:18:40
  cords is a whale, a fish. A whale comes from fish.
• 4:18:47
  But is a whale a mammal. Not the same.
• 4:18:51
  We are not human is not a fish. Just came from fish, doesn't
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  mean a human is a fish. So we were always going to be
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  the same species of Corte. We still are Corte just like a
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  Squirrel is always going to be a metal.
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  We are mermaids. But how can that be?
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  If we all came from the same primordial soup, Because
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  billions of years, have gone and their different types of
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  organisms into something different.
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  The way that the soup turned into many different things, That
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  is a very confusing question because his billions of years
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  have transverso the primordial soup when there was just
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  something between a virus and a bacteria because of bacteria is
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  very stable and a virus really needs to live with in something
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  else but something like that. And so there was probably mobile
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  abiogenesis events as well. There probably if life was
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  fertile to grow here and arise here, it probably did multiple
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  times but it gets eaten stump. Are you still there?
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  I'm here. What's up?
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  I was just going to let you know.
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  If you were still there I have to make an exit, I have a great
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  morning to break right now. This is the Prophet Daniel
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  Daniel 7:25, and he shall speak great words against the most
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  high and shall wear out the Saints of the most high, and
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  think to change times and laws, and they shall be given until
• 4:20:38
  time in X is Vineland times. It was Daniel 7:25.
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  Are you going to be going to me tomorrow at 7 p.m.
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  Central and so are you going to go gamble or charity event?
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  I'll try not to say I'll try God willing, I'll be there.
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  If not, it's not his will but I actually think I should probably
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  should have everything and everyone much love.