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Opposition Leader Lia Finocchiaro says the NT Government’s bail reforms are disingenuous, with three stabbings in Darwin last weekend · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: As I said, just a few moments ago, on Monday afternoon,
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  Speaker 1: we learned that mister Chalker has launched legal action in
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  Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Supreme Court against the Chief Minister Attasha
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  Speaker 1: Files and the Police Minister Kate Warden and the Northern
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  Speaker 1: Territory Government to prevent his dismissal. Now, according to a
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  Speaker 1: report by the ABC, he filed the motion seeking a
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  Speaker 1: declaration that the government had no power to revoke his
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  Speaker 1: appointment as the Police Commissioner. The situation continues to be
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  Speaker 1: quite an unbelievable one. The Commissioner was due back at
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  Speaker 1: work today. Really no word as to whether he's gone
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  Speaker 1: back to work. I know that the government had said
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  Speaker 1: in a statement, and I'll take you back to that
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  Speaker 1: statement just so that you know exactly what they have
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  Speaker 1: basically said to us. But I'm just trying to find it.
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  Speaker 1: They have said that. Just bear with me a moment.
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  Speaker 1: We'll go to that in a moment so I can
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  Speaker 1: make sure I read it all out. But it is
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  Speaker 1: certainly an unbelievable situation. As I said, the commiss of
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  Speaker 1: taking this legal action to stay in his job. Now
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  Speaker 1: joining me in the studio right now is the Opposition
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  Speaker 1: leader Leah fanoki ara O. Good morning to you, Leah.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning Katie's you're wonderful listeners on this beautiful dry
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  Speaker 2: season morning.
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  Speaker 1: Here finally the dry kick and hey now, Leah, this
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  Speaker 1: situation is clearly not sustainable with the government and the
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  Speaker 1: Police commissioner. What do you make of it all today?
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  Speaker 3: It's a disaster.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, at a time when we have a crime
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  Speaker 2: crisis escalating across the territory, people suffering every single day,
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  Speaker 2: We've got a police force in crisis with low morale,
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  Speaker 2: under resourced and overworked. To have the top cop and
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  Speaker 2: the chief Minister embroiled in a fight in court together
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  Speaker 2: instead of focusing on ensuring we're looking after community safety
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  Speaker 2: and our police force. It couldn't come at a worse time.
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  Speaker 2: This is a disaster of Natasha Files's making. She needs
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  Speaker 2: to ensure that this is results as soon as possible,
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  Speaker 2: because our police need strong leadership at the top and
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  Speaker 2: our community want to see community safety being the number
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  Speaker 2: one concern of hers rather than preparing her testimony for
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  Speaker 2: court now.
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  Speaker 1: Something that really struck me In the ABC's report from
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  Speaker 1: earlier in the week, we know that there has been
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  Speaker 1: ongoing calls for the Australian Federal Police to step in
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  Speaker 1: and help our Northern Territory police with the crime crisis
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  Speaker 1: that we're facing, along with discussions about the number of
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  Speaker 1: Northern Territory police that we have or have not got.
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  Speaker 1: Now on Monday, mister Chalker's lawyer, Arthur Moses SC told
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  Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Supreme Court that the letter made four allegations.
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  Speaker 1: So this letter obviously including that the Commissioner had asked
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  Speaker 1: the Australian Defense Force to go into Alice Springs. That's
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  Speaker 1: what the ABC had reported, he said, we now know
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  Speaker 1: that was false. There's an assertion they might have meant
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  Speaker 1: to refer to the Australian Federal Police. Do you think
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  Speaker 1: that this meant the Commissioner wanted to bring in the
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  Speaker 1: AFP to assist the police in Alice Well.
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  Speaker 2: I think this is certainly caught the attention of the
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  Speaker 2: community because calls for Australian Federal Police to go into
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  Speaker 2: Alice Springs and provide much needed support to a police
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  Speaker 2: force that is completely under resource has been going on
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  Speaker 2: for months.
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  Speaker 3: And months now.
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  Speaker 2: If Commissioner Chalker felt that that was the right thing
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  Speaker 2: to do and made that decision and government have come
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  Speaker 2: in over the top of him and.
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  Speaker 3: Said no, you can't. That's in the public interest.
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  Speaker 2: People want to know that because ultimately our police force
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  Speaker 2: need to work independently from government and making those important
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  Speaker 2: operational decisions that they have to make every minute of
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  Speaker 2: every single day.
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  Speaker 1: I think if that was the case, and look, we
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  Speaker 1: don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I have asked the Chief Minister's Office this morning for
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  Speaker 1: confirmation of this or exactly what the situation is. But
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  Speaker 1: if we do have a situation here where the Police
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  Speaker 1: Commissioner had wanted to bring in that support from the
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  Speaker 1: Australian Federal Police and there was any intervention in any
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  Speaker 1: way from the government, that's unforgivable.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think Kate Warden and Natasha Farza probably pretty worried
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  Speaker 2: at this point, Katie about their ability to stay in
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  Speaker 2: those roles. We've been calling for Kate Warden to be
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  Speaker 2: stood down for a very long time because she's shown
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  Speaker 2: repeatedly through her actions she's not up to the job,
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  Speaker 2: and I think this entire fiasco has been a very
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  Speaker 2: important example of that. For three weeks we haven't heard
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  Speaker 2: anything from the policeman is doing yet she pops her
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  Speaker 2: head up to call the federal opposition leader a dog act.
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  Speaker 1: You know it's I have asked the government for a
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  Speaker 1: response on this very issue, because I think it is
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  Speaker 1: an incredibly one when we're talking about whether the federal
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  Speaker 1: police do come in to assist the Northern Territory with
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  Speaker 1: the crime crisis that we're facing. They have told me,
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  Speaker 1: as I have said previously, we've been in negotiations with
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  Speaker 1: mister Talker. This week a matter was commenced in the
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  Speaker 1: Supreme Court. I'm aware of reports discussing that matter, but
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  Speaker 1: will not provide comments as the matter is currently before
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  Speaker 1: the court. We continue to negotiate with mister Talker and
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  Speaker 1: at this time he remains on leave. As a government,
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  Speaker 1: we're focused on Territorians and Deputy Commissioner Murphy continues to
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  Speaker 1: act during this time. I mean, do you think that
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  Speaker 1: the government needs to answer questions here about whether the
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  Speaker 1: Commissioner wanted to bring in the AFP for support or not.
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  Speaker 2: There are many questions this government has to answer on
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  Speaker 2: this whole debacle, Katie, but that is definitely one of them.
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  Speaker 2: I've certainly flagged it as a question for estimates coming
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  Speaker 2: up in just a couple of weeks time. So that's
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  Speaker 2: your warning to government to be ready for the answer.
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  Speaker 2: But ultimately our community is crying out for support, Katie.
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  Speaker 2: We had a second community rally on the doorsteps of
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  Speaker 2: Parliament House on Saturday, which I attended with my parliamentary team.
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  Speaker 2: We've had three stabbings which include the tragic loss of
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  Speaker 2: life of a woman at six o'clock it's not even
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  Speaker 2: dark yet in the middle of our CBD, at the
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  Speaker 2: front of our hotel. I mean tragic, horrific crime, stabbing
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  Speaker 2: at shopping centers, endless volumes of crime and just horrific
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  Speaker 2: behavior being report ordered.
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  Speaker 3: And yet the.
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  Speaker 2: Chief Minister is nowhere to be seen when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to having a plan to address this, and the continued
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  Speaker 2: uncertainty around the future of the Police Commissioner and our
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  Speaker 2: police force hangs in the balance that you know, there
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  Speaker 2: are serious answers that the government need to be provided.
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  Speaker 1: With those terrible situations over the weekend, with those three stabbings,
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  Speaker 1: one of which saw a woman allegedly killed at the
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  Speaker 1: hands of her partner. Two other people were allegedly stabbed
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  Speaker 1: in the Cacherina car park. The government obviously last month
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  Speaker 1: announced those changes to bail for those involved in weapons offenses.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think those changes would have made any difference
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  Speaker 1: in incidents like we saw on the weekend.
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  Speaker 2: The bail changes of the government brought forward two weeks
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  Speaker 2: after Declan Lavity lost his life and were nothing more
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  Speaker 2: than window dressing. It was a government trying to find
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  Speaker 2: a political solution to what they see as a political problem.
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  Speaker 2: It was disingenuous at best, and ultimately the criminals know
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  Speaker 2: that their Boo reform has done, which is why we've
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  Speaker 2: seen continued and escalating crime since those Bower laws have
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  Speaker 2: come into play.
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  Speaker 3: They did not go far enough.
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  Speaker 2: We tried twice Katie in Parliament to reason with the government,
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  Speaker 2: broke her a deal on getting them tougher stronger, putting
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  Speaker 2: the rights of a community to be safe above the
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  Speaker 2: rights of offenders to be free. But this government continues
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  Speaker 2: to back in people doing the wrong thing and has
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  Speaker 2: turned its back on people who just want to live
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  Speaker 2: their life in peace.
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  Speaker 1: Leah Marion Scrimjaw told Sky News yesterday that police failed
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  Speaker 1: to respond to five calls about a serious domestic violence
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  Speaker 1: incident near the Darwin Airport Tavern bottle shop the night
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  Speaker 1: before Decla Lavity was fatally stabbed at the same location
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  Speaker 1: on March nineteen. Now, she's told Matt Cunningham that she
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  Speaker 1: believed the female victim whose attacker was trying to pour
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  Speaker 1: petrol on her would now be dead if she hadn't
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  Speaker 1: personally called the police commissioner to insist his officer's take action.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure that you've read this article. Yes, do you
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  Speaker 1: think that that indicates that we do not have enough place?
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  Speaker 2: Without question, this is a prime example of a police
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  Speaker 2: force that is so under resource it cannot get to
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  Speaker 2: some of the most serious, horrific, life threatening crimes in
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  Speaker 2: our community.
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  Speaker 3: And that is no fault of our police.
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  Speaker 2: They are as devastated as anybody else about the fact
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  Speaker 2: that they know that there are people who need them
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  Speaker 2: and they can't get to them. It is what is
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  Speaker 2: also perpetuating this health and wellbeing situation with our force,
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  Speaker 2: because you imagine that playing on your conscience and your mind. Katie,
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  Speaker 2: You're at a job, you're trying to sort out that job,
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  Speaker 2: and you've got twenty or thirty other jobs behind you
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  Speaker 2: where you know there are victims in their darkest hour
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  Speaker 2: waiting for you to come.
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  Speaker 3: This is not a joke.
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  Speaker 2: This is an extremely serious situation and we need to
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  Speaker 2: be supporting our police force and dealing with crime so
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  Speaker 2: that they can get to people who really need them
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  Speaker 2: the most.
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  Speaker 1: Leah, we also know that Marian Scrimdaw has called for
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  Speaker 1: compulsory income management. Do you think that this is something
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  Speaker 1: that we should be moving forward with.
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  Speaker 2: Well, look, we're happy to work with federal labor on
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  Speaker 2: various initiatives, but ultimately what people need to know is
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  Speaker 2: that the territory government can already do this. There is
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  Speaker 2: a ready power for the territory government to have income
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  Speaker 2: management for people who are neglecting their children, spending their
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  Speaker 2: money on areas that are causing neglect or harm. And
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  Speaker 2: so the real question is to the territory government, how
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  Speaker 2: many times have they requested income management for Territorians. And
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  Speaker 2: that's something we're looking very closely at, Katie, because it's
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  Speaker 2: fine to put out there an idea about having an
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  Speaker 2: additional bureaucracy, but the reality is we don't need it
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  Speaker 2: in the territory.
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  Speaker 3: We could be income managing people.
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  Speaker 2: Who are you know, and holding them responsible, holding parents
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  Speaker 2: responsible for their inaction on their own children. We could
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  Speaker 2: be doing that today, and is territory labor doing it.
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  Speaker 2: My guess would be no, Leah a.
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  Speaker 1: Question from al and I'm going to put it to you.
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  Speaker 1: It's probably more so for the government. But it says Katie,
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  Speaker 1: a nurse in Alice Springs, sells me that alcohol restrictions
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  Speaker 1: in Alice to be lifted at the end of April.
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  Speaker 1: Is this correct? And what is the files government solution
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  Speaker 1: to this? Now, I'll put it to you. Do you
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  Speaker 1: think that those alcohol restrictions need to be extended? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I've obviously got two wonderful members of Parliament in
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  Speaker 2: Alice Springs, Josh Bergoing and Bill Yan, and they are
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  Speaker 2: out talking to the community around it. There's definitely a
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  Speaker 2: thought in Alice Springs that you know, this is unfair
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  Speaker 2: and why should we all be punished for the problems
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  Speaker 2: of a few. Equally, I think everyone in that community
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  Speaker 2: recognizes that it's made a massive impact. It's allowed a
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  Speaker 2: lot of proactive policing, especially from our palis, and so
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  Speaker 2: we would not like to see those restrictions lifted unless
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  Speaker 2: the government is able to come up with some other
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  Speaker 2: plan that would the community would have confidence in. We
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  Speaker 2: think for the medium term those restrictions need to remain.
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  Speaker 1: Another question, this time from Joe Joe saying, morning, Katie.
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  Speaker 1: Is it correct that Natasha Files said on radio yesterday
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  Speaker 1: that the damage done at Howard Springs was acceptable? Now, Leah,
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  Speaker 1: obviously that's not really a question for you, but an
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  Speaker 1: update on Howard Springs. Do you think it's acceptable that
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  Speaker 1: the Chief Minister is saying she told us on the
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  Speaker 1: show about two weeks ago, actually a week ago to
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  Speaker 1: the day, that it was wear and tear the damage
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  Speaker 1: out there at Howard Springs, And.
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  Speaker 2: I heard that interview to your listener who texted in,
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  Speaker 2: and it was a disgrace. She is still holding the
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  Speaker 2: line that it is minimal wear and tear, and it's
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  Speaker 2: simply not the case. I spoke to someone last night
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  Speaker 2: who has a friend who volunteers at Red Cross, and
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  Speaker 2: that friend told the lady I was speaking to that
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  Speaker 2: on the day that she volunteered, there were forty broken windows.
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  Speaker 3: You know, these stories.
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  Speaker 2: Are coming out where there's smoke, there's fire, Katie, and
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  Speaker 2: for the Chief Minister to be pretending like there's not something,
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  Speaker 2: not damage, not going on is ridiculous. We know that
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  Speaker 2: a tender was released for I believe about one hundred
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars worth of new mattresses.
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  Speaker 3: Out at how Howard Springs.
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  Speaker 1: When was that?
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  Speaker 2: I think it was last week, so you know we're starting.
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  Speaker 1: Hundred grand mattresses.
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  Speaker 3: Don't quote me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty confident it was about one hundred thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 2: Jared Mayley, the member for Nelson, is right across this issue,
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  Speaker 2: and we'll actually be doing media on it later this morning,
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  Speaker 2: so you know, we also know that you know, there's
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  Speaker 2: been reports on other stations, Katie, where people who have
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  Speaker 2: been inside Howard Springs have actually said publicly that there's
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  Speaker 2: violence going on, there's children running around at all hours
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  Speaker 2: of the night and fighting, and that there is significant damage.
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  Speaker 1: So the COLP obviously following up now on this tender.
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  Speaker 1: You believe that it could be up to one hundred
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars worth of mattresses.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's correct, and I believe it went out last week.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, why is that, Katie? I think there's
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  Speaker 2: questions to answer there. Why do they need one hundred
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars worth of new mattresses out there?
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  Speaker 1: So well, yeah, let us know whether you've got further
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  Speaker 1: detail on that century well that before I let you
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  Speaker 1: go this morning we know that the Lloyd Access Economics
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  Speaker 1: they've estimated They've released their latest report yesterday and estimates
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  Speaker 1: that the territory's economy is going to decrease by zero
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  Speaker 1: point five percent in the twenty twenty two to twenty
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  Speaker 1: three period. The decrease in economic activity is underpinned by
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  Speaker 1: decreased international goods exports down by twenty seven percent, partly
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  Speaker 1: offset by increased domestic demand up by three point two percent.
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  Speaker 1: What do you make of the latest outlook from Deloit
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  Speaker 1: Access Economics.
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  Speaker 3: It's devastating, Katie.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we know this government pays no attention to
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  Speaker 2: important economic reports like this, but this is our eighteenth
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  Speaker 2: consecutive quarter of having the worst performing economy in our nation.
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  Speaker 2: We are expected to have the weakest economic growth of
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  Speaker 2: any state or territory. We are lagging well and truly behind.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, our economy is going back and we know
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  Speaker 2: that it is because this government is not wanting to
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  Speaker 2: make the territory at a place that's open for investment.
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  Speaker 2: We haven't seen a single major project transpire, Sea Dragon,
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  Speaker 2: the ship lift, the luxury hotel, sun Cable, all of
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  Speaker 2: these projects hang in the balance or are gone.
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  Speaker 3: And yet we've got a.
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  Speaker 2: Government bringing in additional red tape, additional anti uncompetitive.
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  Speaker 1: If they would argue that on Friday last week they
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  Speaker 1: made those changes to the mining royalties, it's something that
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  Speaker 1: you and I had actually spoken about quite a few years. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: and I do know, and I will give credit where
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  Speaker 1: it's due that the COLP had been pushing for that
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  Speaker 1: change for quite some time.
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  Speaker 3: For years.
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  Speaker 2: You know, this government came in in twenty seventeen and
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  Speaker 2: destroyed our resource sector. They brought a hybrid mining tax in.
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  Speaker 2: Our policy was to have ad valorum and that is
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  Speaker 2: now years and years later what government have brought in.
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  Speaker 2: We took that to the election. We have been fighting
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  Speaker 2: for that for years. Their own report has come out
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  Speaker 2: and said that their regime was uncompetitive, it was destroying
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  Speaker 2: our resource sector.
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  Speaker 3: And now all these years later.
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  Speaker 2: Nicole Madison's coming out and saying we're facing a a
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  Speaker 2: royalties cliff, a cliff created by this government, Katie. They
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  Speaker 2: cannot put a footright on our economy. They need to
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  Speaker 2: follow other CLP policies and create a territory Coordinator and
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  Speaker 2: an approvals fast tracked task force so that we can
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  Speaker 2: slash red tape and get this place growing lia.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody has just messaged through and said, oh, don't quote
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  Speaker 1: me on this. The opposition leader says, she's just spreading
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  Speaker 1: false rumors.
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  Speaker 2: Now, it was on the thank you text out no no,
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  Speaker 2: thank you texter, and I do have the details. So
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  Speaker 2: a tender was awarded for exactly ninety eight, five hundred
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  Speaker 2: and twenty seven dollars for two hundred and sixty five
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  Speaker 2: mattresses on the fifth of April this year.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Fact, So is that.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think, you know, due to the flooding victims
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  Speaker 1: obviously being there at Howard Springs or is that preparing
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  Speaker 1: for whatever is going to happen with the facility wants
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  Speaker 1: those flood victims around.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we don't know.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know if it's because of damage to mattresses.
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  Speaker 2: There's been you know, rumors and talk of fuyres and
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  Speaker 2: other things.
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  Speaker 3: Could it be that. We don't know.
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  Speaker 2: But what we do know is that money is being
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  Speaker 2: spent out there, damage is being caused and the government
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  Speaker 2: has its.
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  Speaker 3: Head in the sand.
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  Speaker 2: It's time to stop this line around there's minimal wear
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  Speaker 2: and tear and start explaining to the taxpayer that people
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  Speaker 2: funding this exercise, what is going on at the Howard
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  Speaker 2: Springs facility.
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  Speaker 1: Lin, do you think it's fair enough? Though, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to play devil's advocate here, that money did need to
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  Speaker 1: be spent on ensuring that there were mattresses to house
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  Speaker 1: people that were being evacuated from flood zones.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, there's no question.
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  Speaker 2: It's a fantastic facility to support people in their darkest
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  Speaker 2: hour who've been evacuated from floods. But this tender just
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  Speaker 2: went out on the fifth of April, Katie for more mattresses,
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  Speaker 2: and we've got a I don't know, is it a
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  Speaker 2: five thousand bed facility out there? So it just requires questions.
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  Speaker 2: I think it just continues this to undermine the government's position,
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  Speaker 2: which is that there is nowhere and tear So we're
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: certainly asking the questions. I don't know why there needs
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: to be two hundred and sixty five additional mattresses. But
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: what I do know is I'm talking to a lot
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: of people, as is Jared Mayley and others, who are
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: saying that there are panels of glass being shipped out
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: there daily and all sorts of things going on.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: That is unbelievable. Well, look I've got my hands on
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: this tender now. So Lea Finocchiaro, we really appreciate your
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: time this morning. Thanks so much for coming on the show.
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  Speaker 3: Take care everyone,