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Robin Sharma - Leadership Expert and #1 Bestselling Author | The Wealth Money Can't Buy · Success Story with Scott Clary

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  How many forms of wealth in 2024 does the average person have?
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  I would say we all have a number of the forms of wealth.
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  I think a truly beautiful life is, you know, in hot pursuit of each of the forms of wealth.
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  Whether it's wellness, whether it's adventure, whether it's seeing your work as a
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  chance for mastery. Doing what the world says you should do to become successful.
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  Makes me think, Jim Carrey, the Hollywood legend, and he said,
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  I wish everyone could be rich and famous to realize it doesn't make it.
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  You feel like we have a hard time living in the present as well.
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  Is that another side effect of the reality that we live in?
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  Because everything you just mentioned, and I would assume a lot of the issues with our self-awareness
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  come from always fear-based, always thinking about the potential future that hasn't happened yet.
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  I really do think a lot of us have fallen into a series of traps.
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  We are addicted to our phones. We are addicted to being busy,
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  addicted to endless notifications. We are addicted to coming,
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  bringing our lives with what we see on screens.
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  And we are addicted, I really believe, to you.
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  This vast of thinking that wealth is only about money and material possessions and
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  favorite orchards.
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  Welcome to Success Story. I'm your host, Scott Clary.
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  Robin, thank you so much for coming on. I appreciate you taking the time.
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  I appreciate the invitation. Great to be with you, Scott.
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  What's my pleasure? I think that to start this off, I want to just paint a picture for everybody
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  who's listening or watching. So you discuss eight forms of wealth. How many forms of wealth
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  in 2024 does the average person have? Well, what a great question. I've never been on our start.
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  I would say we all have a number of the forms of wealth. I think a truly beautiful
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  life is when we're in hot pursuit of each of the eight forms of wealth. Whether it's wellness,
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  whether it's adventure, whether it's senior work is a chance for mastery, whether it's service,
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  one of the most important forms of wealth. So I think all of us have a lot of it, but I wrote
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  the wealth money camp by because society has given us this cultural hypnosis that we are wealthy
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  when we have a lot of money. We are wealthy when we have a big house. We are wealthy when we have a
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  huge stock portfolio. I've mentored a lot of billionaires over the past 15 plus years and I can
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  report with respect that a lot of them are cash rich, but life poor. You find that there was a
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  certain point not even in the people that you've mentored. It's like I think that if you're talking
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  about billionaire, they're very far along in their career. But when you look at the lessons that
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  you've written about and you look back even in your life, was there a certain point in your life
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  when there was a light bulb moment because you moved away from law at a relatively young age
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  and you started writing and coaching and teaching. Was that sort of the light bulb moment that even
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  a career in law that could have paid significant amount of money? That was not the form of wealth
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  that you wanted to pursue. Well, it was that and it was also just being in the world and doing what
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  the world says you should do to become successful. It makes me think, I'm here in Los Angeles,
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  so I think of Jim Carrey, the Hollywood legend. And he said, I wish everyone could be rich and
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  famous to realize it doesn't make a difference. And so I was on that hamster wheel as a lawyer
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  and I had bought into the cultural programming to get more shiny toys, etc, etc. And one day
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  you wake up happy and that success. And when I got a better car or nicer house or made more
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  financial resources, it didn't change how I felt. It makes me think of the Zen proverb,
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  wherever you go, there you are, wherever you go, there you are. So we fall into this trap thinking,
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  okay, if I could only reach this personal Mount Everest of more FFA fame fortune and applause,
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  I would pick up and I'd feel fantastic and we miss out on JPM joy piece and freedom. Now,
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  I want to be really clear shot, this model that the book is based around the eight forms of well.
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  Money is one of the eight forms of well. So I'm not saying making money is not important,
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  it puts food on the family, able it allows us freedom. We don't get back into a corner and have
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  to do things we don't want to do. Money allows us to do great things for our loved ones. It's just one
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  of the eight forms of wealth. There are nothing other essential forms that I believe a great human
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  likes is worth building around. So if you look at those, let's list them out. This will paint the
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  picture for all the discussions. So we have we have yes money, which is what everybody feels is
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  what they're pursuing. I think a lot of us feel we're pursuing that we have growth, wellness,
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  family, craft, community, adventure and service. And I think these are very interesting and obviously
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  I would even love just very briefly before we go down the rabbit hole a little bit farther.
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  Like in your own words, what are what are these different forms of wealth mean? And yeah,
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  let's start there so people can frame it. Okay, so all your viewers from around the world,
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  that's what the model looks like. Quickly, the first form of wealth growth.
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  If someone is in hot pursuit of becoming their best self, someone is working each day quietly,
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  steadily, your meditation, visualization prayer, reading, generally to become more powerful,
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  stronger, braver, more authentic, more loving. If someone is in growth mode each day,
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  like so many of your viewers are, that's a form of riches. The psychic wealth that comes to us from
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  becoming more of ourselves is proud. Second form of wealth, wellness. Someone once sent to me,
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  help is the crown on the well person's head that only the ill person can see.
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  We have good health, good energy, longevity. We had wealth money camp by three family.
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  What's the point of living in a mansion? Being there all alone, I tell the story in the book about
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  one of my clients, beautiful home biggest I've ever seen, art collection, car collection.
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  No one to share his life with. Fourth form of wealth, craft. Whether you are a coder,
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  writer, I know the teacher, a billionaire, street sweeper, doing your work like Patasso painted,
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  gives great joy in happiness. Fifth form of wealth, money. And there's actually 20 chapters
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  on how the billionaires do it for my intimate knowledge of their mindset, habits, ways of being.
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  Six form of wealth is community. You become your conversations. So it's all about stripping
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  out the energy vampires and the importance and how to find people whose lives you want to be living.
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  Seven form of wealth, adventure. A lot of us are living the same year, 80 times and calling it a life.
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  So like, there's 25 chapters in that section on how to inject awe and wonder, which is a form of
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  wealth. Wow, my life is amazing. It's magic. That's a form of wealth. And then the final one is
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  service. And before I came on to your podcast, I reread Mahatma Gandhi's beautiful line. And he said,
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  to lose yourself in the service of others is how you really find yourself.
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  So we have, we have these these eight versions of wealth. And I think that people probably,
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  again, to the first point, they've participated in some, probably some are lacking.
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  But societal pressure is very strong. It's exceptionally strong. We didn't just accidentally stumble
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  into just pursuing money. This is to keep up with the Jones's cost of living is exceptionally high.
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  So how do we, how do we sort of recalibrate? Is this sort of a commentary on, you know,
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  Maslow's hierarchy of needs? And maybe we think we need more than we actually do to fulfill that.
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  And we should be pursuing self-actualization versus just putting a roof over our head,
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  but our roof now costs three, four, five million dollars, you know, whatever that is. So how do we
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  reframe? How do we reprogram? And this is something that obviously you teach and you probably
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  help people at any level. So there's not like just when you're starting out, you're talking about
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  billionaires that need reprogramming. So what is the, what's the playbook? The first step?
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  The first step is an idea. And as I do this podcast tour, Scott, everyone's going,
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  why don't we attack them? So let me attack them. Give me an attack.
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  Methodology without philosophy is an emptying victory. So ideas are important. We become so enamored
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  with tactics and morning routines. I teach them in the book. There's hundreds of tools. Morning.
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  You're kind of, you're kind of known for some morning routine literature. Guilty as charged.
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  So, but how do we start the process of seeing our programming? We start with the idea of,
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  oh, maybe there are forms of wealth beyond money. And with these ideas and then thoughtfulness
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  and paying attention and then asking ourselves, wow, am I really experiencing all eight forms
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  of wealth? Transformation lives in awareness. As we don't more awareness of how we're living,
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  oh, I'm in, I'm caught up in the cultural hypnosis of chasing money. And these mountain tops
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  that in the end will lead to anything. And then secondly, how do you start? There's a chapter in
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  the book called Know the Penum Principle. Penum that deconstructs how we think the way we think.
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  It's an acronym, P, our parents, E, our environment, N, our nation, A, our associations,
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  and M, our media. And those five forces of penum create cues. I mean, for example, with our
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  parents, when we're growing up, our parents, we watch them. They teach us how the world works.
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  They give us all these subtle cues. Here's what success looks like, Scott.
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  And now we're 35 or 55 or 75. We're still running those ancient programs, even though they're not
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  right for us. So awareness is how we start, we start thinking about these things. And then tools,
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  MVP, meditation, visualization, and prayer is just a fantastic tool to rewire the programming.
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  Journaling this morning, I was operating in my journal, and we know. And so just journaling about
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  what success looks like to you, what is wealth to you? What do you want to stand for? What are your
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  top five volumes, those kinds of things? It starts the rewiring process. Final thing I'd say is
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  you're social, sir. You're around people who are measuring success solely by financial well,
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  then you're going to stink like them to the power of emotional contagion. So creating social
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  circles, people who go, oh, money is one form of wealth, but so is family, so is well,
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  that's always adventure, so is service, etc. And I think that that's something that you have to
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  actively potentially edit, not because the people are bad people, but because you want to know
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  the direction that you want to move in. And that's the people that you have to keep close to you.
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  I mean, the tropes are all there, right? The quotes of you are the five people that you surround
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  yourself with. I think people have heard those a thousand times, but it's very, very accurate.
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  So I think that maybe editing that circle is more important than we realize, because I think when
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  we think about surrounding ourselves with individuals, the first thought is, how do I surround
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  myself with individuals, move the needle in my career or in my company or how do I add an extra
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  comma in my bank account? But I also want to flip the script a little bit and bring up another habit
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  that I've seen when people pursue other forms of wealth to a significant degree. If they pursue
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  community or religion or physical health and wellness, I feel that people always want to be
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  hyper competitive and they always want to seem, they seem to want to win in these arenas. So you
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  all know that friend that started working out and all of a sudden they become a little bit
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  preachy about working out and not drinking and about eating right. So when we pursue, why do we do that?
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  Why do we always feel the need to compete? Because I think that there's one toxic behavior which is
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  pursuing money exclusively. But then the second toxic behavior is always feeling that we have to
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  beat someone if we take something else and assume it as part of our identity, which I think defeats
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  the purpose of balance. Well, you say why? I'd like to go back to that chapter of the
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  Wealth Money Camp by undergrowth, the pen and principle, right? Pen and parents,
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  environment, nation, associations and media. We are programmed to compete. We are programmed to
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  see victory as reaching the top to the mountain top that others are climbing. It's even neurobiological
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  back on the savannah at thousands years ago. We were competing for the resources, competing for
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  shelter, competing for to be dominant in the tribe. So I think as human beings, we are hardwired
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  to compete in some ways. But I would actually suggest that's the reptilian brain, the lower
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  way of thinking in survival mode. As we start to grow, as we evolve, as we think, as we meditate,
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  as we journal, as we think about how we want to live, we realize there's a higher way to live.
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  And that is running a race against yourself. So not competing. I think competing in many ways comes
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  from scarcity. There's not enough. I must take it all. I think a much wiser, healthier way to roll
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  through life. Let's say as an entrepreneur is you run your own race. And basically there's
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  a fifth form of wealth in the Wealth Money Camp by his craft. And one of the chapters is, I talk
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  about your project Dex. Your project Dex is your Taj Mahal. Your project Dex is your
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  Sistine Chapel ceiling. Your project Dex is your Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata. In a world where
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  we're so many, if I start pushing out so much content, what I'm suggesting in this book is in this
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  chapter is you do one thing. It might take you four years, like take you ten years, but you push
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  that one master work out in the world that stands the test of time. You don't worry about competition.
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  You don't look at what other people are doing. You just do what your instinct tells you
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  you want to do. And I think if you, you know, working about competition is exhausting. And I do
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  think it's coming from a place left. I do think it's coming from a place of fear. Kind of put on
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  blinders and say, here's the product I want to push out into the world. Here's my Sistine Chapel
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  ceiling. And you push that magic out into the world. Amazing things will happen.
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  It's very powerful. It's almost like we lack self-reflection and self-awareness to a degree,
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  which I think creates all of these negative habits that we're trying to avoid because if we had
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  self-reflection in what we were pursuing or if we had self-reflection in what we were
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  looking to achieve or I've heard you imagine this before, are we climbing the right mountain or
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  are we climbing the right Everest? And we looked inside, then maybe we'd realize that we're not.
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  And yeah, I was even watching the trailer for the wealth money camp by. And the trailer is,
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  you know, grandpa's honest, you know, last breath about to die and I think he's talking to his
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  grandkids. And it's such a powerful image because it happens to all of us and death and our
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  mortality not to get too dark, but it's like a very powerful motivator to focus on what actually
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  matters. I think actually one of my favorite things to do is to go to the last part of the book and
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  in the last part of your book, you're speaking about having a living funeral. So it just forces us
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  to re-evaluate what's so important. And I think that not many people do that. I think that many
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  people are just waking up autopilot every single day. Yeah, there's also another chapter at the end,
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  the final form of wealth, which is serves put your final day first. And I actually would say,
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  thinking about your mark, how it is not a dark thing. It's a light. I would actually say that
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  fluency with the shortness of life is how the warriors play. If you could regularly think about
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  the shortness of life and remind yourself that soon or late, we will all be dust on a
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  mantle above a fireplace next to our family's little league trophies.
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  We're going to realize, we're going to realize, we're going to live to the point.
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  To the point, you know, look, Scott, accidents, pandemics, wars, illness, disease,
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  emergency, that's the stuff of life these days in the age of poly crisis.
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  And so what I'm trying to do with the wealth money can't buy is say, here are the things that,
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  let's call it the eight Mount Everest decline, so that we don't, as you as you suggested, spend our
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  best hours climbing the wrong mountain. Because I really do think a lot of us have fallen into a
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  series of traps. We are addicted to our phones. We are addicted to being busy, being busy,
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  addicted to endless notifications. We are addicted to comparing our lives with what we see on
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  screens. We are, and we are addicted, I really believe to this class stuff thinking that, well,
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  there's only about money and material possessions and pavement works. And you look, it's,
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  like I say, I work with 15 plus years, so many billionaires, so many famous seniors, so many
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  sports superstars and entertainment I court. And so many some have a lot of money, but that's all they
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  is that the biggest regret that they have invested in is because I see a couple thoughts on that,
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  because if they just, if they just have money, so maybe they focus on family because they don't
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  have a good relationship with the family, I see that quite often. They've probably figured out
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  craft. I would assume to a degree if they figured out money. I don't know if those two things are
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  intrinsically connected, but they seem to be, but you're the expert. But then the other things
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  potentially are a little bit harder to put a finger on. So adventure, service, community,
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  okay, I want to understand that as well. So growth,
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  adventure, service, because I can put a finger on wellness, family, craft, and money to me that
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  makes a lot of sense. And I can touch them and feel them. But how do I measure growth? How do I
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  measure adventure? That to me is so ambiguous. I wouldn't even know how to start if I measure
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  an adventure like every day is an adventure when I'm trying to build a company, but I don't think
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  that's actually what you mean. So how do I measure some of these intangibles?
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  Well, I love your point about what do the financial tycoons that I advise one of
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  a struggle with most? Yeah. And I've just written before the first come to my family.
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  There was one billionaire that I was advising had all the money in the world, private jets,
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  yachts, et cetera, et cetera. And he confided in me that drinks too much and never happy because
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  his 20 year old kids won't even talk to him. And I share that a lot. People who have all the money
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  in the world, but they've sacrificed family. So I think that's one thing they struggle with.
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  Secondly, health. I've worked with a lot of us by entrepreneurs, super successful. They've
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  sold their companies. They've made financial fortunes and they've lost their health along the way.
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  There's one wisdom tradition that says, when we are young, we would sacrifice all of our health
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  for a while. When we get old and figure out what life is all about, we would sacrifice all
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  of our wealth for one day of health. Alpha is one of those things. If we lose it, nothing else
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  matters, but getting our health back. So a lot of the billionaires that I work with,
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  they struggle with health issues. They don't have energy. They picked up all sorts of
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  chronic issues because they devoted, they went all into the business. Third thing I've written
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  down. It might surprise you, but a lot of them do something from imposter syndrome. And they say,
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  the world sees me as so incredibly successful. I don't really know if I deserve it and I don't
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  really think I'm that smart. And here's the thing. The seventh, the eighth form of wealth, they say,
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  I want to have more of an impact. They've made the money and they go, I just want to have more of an
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  impact on the world. I don't know my purpose. And then the final thing is you, you identified
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  it's job, which is they say, you know what? All I do is work. I need something. And adventure in
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  the book is not just going to Bali or going to Vietnam or going to explore Colombia or
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  eat it. And adventure can be found in the small magic of daily graces. I live on a fireman
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  Italy on an olive grove. And part of my magic every day is I got this little five pound short
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  key. I talk a lot about her in the book. I call her Super Chung. And we just like walk this old
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  dusty path on an olive grove each morning before I start my creative work. And just like walking
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  with this little dog and seeing the bond coming up over the Tuscan hills, looking at the sun,
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  hearing the rooster, growing too loudly, listening to the dogs barking, smelling the air.
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  We could be present. That's a form of adventure. And you train yourself to build more
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  awe and wonder. Sonia Luba Merisky is a positive psychologist. She said,
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  the happiest people have habits called savoring, savoring, savoring the walk,
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  savoring the adventures in each day, savoring a conversation with someone who maybe you've never
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  Do you feel like we have a hard time living in the present as well? Is that another side-effect of
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  the reality that we live in? Because everything you just mentioned, and I would assume
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  a lot of the issues with our self-awareness come from always fear-based, always thinking about
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  the potential future that hasn't happened yet. Yeah, I say in the book, the past is not a
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  present to be lived in by the school to be learned from. And it's in a lot of us are not present.
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  We're in the past, and we can go down the rabbit hole and talk about microtrauma and macrotrauma
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  and why we shut down to the present moment, why we close ourselves, basically because we're
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  scared of the world, because of all the trauma, micro or macro that we've gone through,
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  or we're living in the future, but we're not living in the present moment.
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  And part of that, as well, is a lot of us don't like ourselves very much.
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  Potential on express turns to pay, where we were little kids. The world was a roister. We are
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  sparkling our eye. We wanted to be astronauts. We wanted to be podcasters like you.
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  We wanted to be teachers and heroes. And then through the five forces of pen and that I talk
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  about in the book, you're getting hurt, disappointed, being programmed, be average, be ordinary.
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  We start to close. We start to forget who we truly are. We stop dreaming. We start to become like
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  the herd. And so the higher part of ourselves, I think we have a heroic self, which is just our
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  wisdom, our natural state, that we have any go itself. And that's the fearful part of us that
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  evolves as we go through life. We forget our heroic selves. We forget who we truly are. We start
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  to close. And the heroic self, the wisdom, or called it a conscience, doesn't like who we're
• 28:04
  becoming because it sees we're committing the crime of self betrayal. And so potential on
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  express turns to pain, we start to develop all this subconscious late into pain and we don't
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  really like ourselves. What am I trying to say here? I'm trying to say that we then try to escape
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  ourselves through too much phone use, too much busyness and overwork, too much alcohol or drugs
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  or whatever the drug of choice is. And so that's why we can't become present. And we come, we end
• 28:33
  up alone in a room. And we've got to pull out our phone, got to turn on the TV. But if you don't
• 28:40
  love yourself, how can you love your work? How can you love the world? How can you push magic
• 28:45
  into the marketplace? That's a scary ass thought for people to come to terms with that they don't
• 28:54
  love themselves. Because that is that is a realization that the the the culmination of all the
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  things that you've done over your life has not led to the best version of who you want to be.
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  And I mean, that's very scary. Well, even there's the this excuse me, the fourth form of well
• 29:14
  is crap. So you've got 20 chapters in the while money can't buy on how the masters do it.
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  I spent a year for my life on this book. I spent four years of my life writing 5 a.m. club.
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  But in this book, I rewrote maybe 20 times. And each rewrite maybe had 10,000 rewrites on it.
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  I could have mailed it in. My publisher would have been happy. So why would I have
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  put my heart and soul in this book and suffered as much as I did? Because doing your best work
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  is suffering. It's a beautiful suffering. You're feeling incredibly satisfied afterwards.
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  But I suffered. I was up at 3 a.m. some mornings trying to make deadlines, timelines.
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  It's in large part because I love my consumers. I have a sacred bond with the people who put food
• 30:15
  on my family table. This is your number 31. I've been in this field of writing books on leadership
• 30:21
  and personal mastery. And I have a sacred bond with the people who read my books. So I loved them.
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  So we don't talk about love as a business tool, but unless you can talk it, you can
• 30:35
  host it. But unless in your quiet moments, you feel a love for the people who you serve,
• 30:45
  you're never going to do your best work. But once you love them, you want to do good by them,
• 30:49
  you care about them. You will run to the ends of the earth to do your best work for them because
• 30:55
  of that trust point. But the relationship with your customers or your family or your
• 31:02
  friends or your neighbors, it all comes down to the relationship with yourself, the primary
• 31:07
  of your relationship. And that's why the first section of the book is all about growth.
• 31:13
  Once you work on what I call mindset, hearts, that outset and soul set,
• 31:17
  and become more of who you're meant to be, that relationship then lifts up everything on the
• 31:23
  outside with it. I love that. You have some, by the way, how you've written this book I actually
• 31:31
  really like because you've, I don't even know how many like over hundreds, like 100, 200 different
• 31:37
  ideas that are all very concise, condensed, clear and very impactful. So it's a fun read, by the
• 31:44
  way. But outside of that, there are a few ideas that I really want to focus on. I mean, there's
• 31:53
  some ideas around a 10,000 dinner questions, take a bath in a forest, be a perfect moment maker,
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  the lost letters rule. These are some really prolific ideas that you spend a lot of time on
• 32:07
  before I go into a couple of these, and we sort of speak about them, why are these ideas,
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  these particular ones out of all the different ideas that you presented in the book,
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  the ones that you feel you really want to communicate? Well,
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  I want to communicate all of the ideas and the ones you mentioned. I know. I know. I think they're
• 32:28
  jumped out. I think they jumped out to you, Scott. And I say that with a lot of respect. I
• 32:39
  but you've highlighted some of the ones that are jumping out to a lot of the early readers of
• 32:44
  the wealth money can't buy. So let's focus on the 10,000 dinners question. That is the third
• 32:51
  form of wealth family. Yeah. So in the financial times that they did an interview with
• 33:01
  Ayesha Vardag, one of the UK's top divorce lawyers. She represents the footballers and the movie
• 33:08
  stars, etc. And she was asked, well, you've seen so many marriages fall apart. What are the
• 33:14
  secrets for a great marriage? It's great unions. And Scott, she said number one, separate bedrooms,
• 33:21
  and number ten she said, and thousand dinners. So the chapter in the book told us the 10,000 dinners
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  question. It's a decision matrix before you pick a life partner or go into a deep relationship.
• 33:39
  Ask yourself. Can I have 10,000? Do I see myself enjoying 10,000 dinners with this person?
• 33:48
  Because as Ayesha said in the interview, look stayed, last fades, the friendship doesn't.
• 33:56
  So that's the 10,000 dinners question. Then you asked about taking a bath in the forest,
• 34:00
  that's the second form of wealth, which is wellness about 20 chapters on that. We're getting into
• 34:06
  a lot of the latest science on longevity because the key to legendary is longevity. You want
• 34:11
  to be around a long, long time. And it's based on the Japanese habit of forest bathing.
• 34:24
  Shin Rinyo Roku, I believe I send that correctly, but it's forest bathing. They actually have parks
• 34:30
  and forests across Japan because they understand when you go out into the woods, there's the creation
• 34:38
  of a pharmacy of mastery with them, our brains and amazing things happen through our wellness,
• 34:43
  inflammation goes down, we breathe fresh air. So I say take a bath at a forest on a daily basis.
• 34:50
  Get out to the woods. We live in a world where there's so much noise we don't hear the signal.
• 34:56
  And then you mentioned be a perfect moment creator, long story short, the former signal of KPMG,
• 35:03
  the accounting giant, went into his doctor's office and his doctor came out with a face that you
• 35:12
  never want to see on your doctor's face when you go in for a routine medical checkup. His doctor
• 35:19
  said you've got 90 days left to length. You have an inoperable brain tumor.
• 35:25
  And Eugene Kelly realized in all those years
• 35:32
  he had been building his company. He had even taken his wife out to lunch once.
• 35:39
  He missed so many concerts of his daughter and didn't go on long walks with his friends.
• 35:47
  So he made a I felt this was very powerful and he made a decision. He said in the last 90 days of
• 35:52
  I like, I want to reverse engineering to create perfect moments. And so in the chapter, I talk about
• 35:59
  the power of being a perfect moment creator. And again, that awareness, oh, what can I do in
• 36:06
  stay or every once a week to create perfect moments with my family, with my friends? Well,
• 36:12
  then you start taking their mundane and make it a little magical.
• 36:17
  The last one that I really liked as well, which is actually very relevant to me is find your
• 36:23
  personal golden eye, which that's all about distraction and and shiny object syndrome.
• 36:32
  Let's speak about that as well. What does that mean to to readers or to entrepreneurs?
• 36:36
  Genius large solitude. I better say that again, because it's so important. Genius large solitude.
• 36:45
  Another way I could put it is you can be in the world or you can play with your phone or
• 36:51
  dominate your domain. You can't do both. And so that chapter on Find Your Personal Golden Eye
• 36:59
  comes from my reading James Bond creator, Ian Fleming, and what he did was what all geniuses do.
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  Sound a creative cottage. He invested and I used to word investment for all your entrepreneurial
• 37:16
  followers, what success your viewers. I would say one of the best investments you could ever make
• 37:22
  is finding the creative cottage. Even if it's a public library, I would search more back in the
• 37:27
  stacks, but unique to find a place you can retreat to where the world can get you.
• 37:34
  And so what Ian Fleming did was he bought this place in Jamaica. I called it Golden Eye.
• 37:42
  And it was on the scene and he would go to any wrote his James Bond books. And that's how you
• 37:46
  institutionalized flows. He's actually so obsessed with avoiding distraction. He would tell
• 37:52
  he instructed his gardeners, do not walk across the medicine to be on while I'm writing
• 38:00
  because I'll be in flow state and you'll break the trance.
• 38:03
  When you when you move out to Italy, that's basically your that's basically your that's your
• 38:08
  that's your golden eye right there. When you go to Italy, when you go for walks, when you work
• 38:12
  until three in the morning, that is your golden eye. My writing room at the old farmhouse I live in
• 38:18
  is my golden eye. No one can get me there. And I actually have something called the two phone
• 38:24
  protocol. I have the phone that I am your viewers might like this. I'm just going to reach over if I
• 38:29
  could. Yeah, I'm sure. Well, so I'm on the I'm on the phone that we're doing this when,
• 38:35
  but I had a second phone. And so this is called a two phone protocol. So when I'm in my golden eye,
• 38:42
  whether it is the writing room at the farmhouse, but I'm loud. I'm renting hotel rooms even in my
• 38:49
  own city. I need to get a creative work project done. I will rent a hotel room for a week. I'll
• 38:54
  put it on. Do not disturb a lap when I'm tired or order food, but I need to. And I just get
• 39:00
  modeled and likely focused on doing the work. So there's no distraction. The two phone protocols.
• 39:07
  Well, according to this podcast on my main phone, but this is my second phone that I carry with me in
• 39:12
  creative mode. And on this phone, it's a Spartan phone. There's no social media whatsoever. It's
• 39:19
  just emergency and I can do research if I need to. So the two phone protocol is another way to isolate
• 39:26
  yourself. So when you're working, you do real work versus fake work in the section in the
• 39:33
  wealth money can't buy on crack talks a lot about how you get real work done. So you push mastery
• 39:38
  into the marketplace. So if you look at all of these different lessons and teachings, I'm actually
• 39:45
  curious in your life, what have you struggled with the most? Well, one thing, it's a phrase I teach
• 39:56
  which is cheerful paranoia. And what I'm trying to say and I want to get very culture, but
• 40:06
  and see you have more impact. It's essential. You think more like a beginner.
• 40:15
  And I've been in the field for a long time that would be very easy for me to mail it in versus
• 40:23
  bring it on. And so there's a term I teach to my clients called cheerful paranoia. And it comes
• 40:30
  from Andy Crow, the cold founder in tell him said only the paranoid survive. Now paranoia is not
• 40:36
  healthy. So I'm saying be cheerfully paranoid. And what I mean by that is never take your success
• 40:44
  for granted. What I also mean is as we rise and success, we must become work harder, innovate more,
• 40:55
  take more risks because success is very vulnerable. So one thing I call it a struggle is this latest
• 41:03
  book, for example, I I pushed myself like I have with another book because I just don't want to
• 41:09
  rest on my laurels. I want to do good by my readers. I want to explore unknown dimensions of my
• 41:15
  craft. And you think about somebody who reads this book and they want to start, they just want to
• 41:22
  start to move in the right direction. And they you know, they bought into the concept of yeah, I'm
• 41:27
  you know, when I'm too laser focused on one particular area of my life, I would assume it could
• 41:34
  be overwhelming to start to try and incorporate eight versions of wealth tomorrow. So I know that
• 41:43
  you said you don't like playbooks too much because you have to plant the idea first, but for somebody
• 41:49
  who needs to start something, I need them to move in the right direction, even slightly move in the
• 41:54
  right direction. And I don't want it to be a January 1st, join a gym and then quit in 30 days moment
• 42:02
  for that person. So that being said, how do they start to move in the right direction so they don't
• 42:08
  get overwhelmed trying to incorporate eight different versions of wealth into their life when
• 42:14
  yesterday, they were already working 12 hours to build the thing to make the more money. And they
• 42:19
  were barely finding time for date night with their spouse. Well, I'm smiling because chapter six says
• 42:26
  the best way to start is to start. And I think often we go, how do I start in your questions
• 42:35
  of very good one? No question. But often, how do I start? Is a trap because we're just
• 42:44
  seeing complexity. And what I'd say is the best way to start is to start.
• 42:49
  Loud Sioux said the journey of 5,000 miles begins with a single step. I'm reading no booze memoir,
• 42:57
  no boozing Japanese sushi shop. And he said, I love it, he goes one millimeter each day was my focus.
• 43:07
  So small daily seemingly insignificant improvements when done consistently over time lead to stunning
• 43:14
  results. So just to answer your question, the head on because it's a very good question.
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  I don't pick one thing. If it's your fitness, take the first step. And tomorrow, get in the gym
• 43:30
  again in the day after that. Get in the gym again. When you stumble, don't beat yourself up.
• 43:36
  Remember the consistency is the mother of mastery, but there is no recovery without relapse.
• 43:41
  If you want to find love, make the first, send the first text, make the first eyes,
• 43:51
  go to the first day. How do you write a book? You write the first page today and then tomorrow,
• 43:56
  you write a second page. And after six months, you've got a book done every year. How do you start
• 44:01
  a new business? You write the business plan. You call the first investor. You take the first
• 44:11
  step. It's like it's just step by step by step. And another thing I would simply say is be a
• 44:18
  minimalist versus a maximalist. Often we're in such fear that we don't stay with our project long
• 44:26
  and outward to get traction. We fall into shiny, toy syndrome. There's one entrepreneur, I think
• 44:36
  every single time I meet him, he's got a new business. He's starting every single time.
• 44:41
  It's like, shiny, toy of the week, right? And his entrepreneurs were all like, I never,
• 44:46
  I never found the great idea I never, I didn't fall along with. But we've got to be monolithically
• 44:53
  focused on about one idea and then execute it, even if it takes 20 years until the world goes,
• 44:59
  wow, what a concept, which I wish I had thought. So with these projects that the book is going to
• 45:06
  inspire us to achieve, don't pick one, pick one 30 day challenge. Get that done. Keep along
• 45:15
  after 30 days. Start another one. Be a minimalist versus a maximalist.
• 45:20
  I love that. And I think that when you, when you can accomplish that one thing, you take that first
• 45:25
  step, then you start to realize that, okay, eventually, you know where you're going with the
• 45:30
  eight different forms of wealth and you can eventually include into your life. But it's like the,
• 45:34
  it's like giving yourself the agency to do that first thing and then it creates a proof point
• 45:40
  that it's possible. It creates a proof point that it's an opposite, it's an option to reshape your
• 45:47
  life even after you've been doing the same thing for so long. And I think that's probably a really
• 45:53
  powerful, that's a really powerful idea and concept and, and, and shake up that I think is
• 46:00
  really important for people. Yeah, maybe, you know, as, as we're chatting about it, what came to
• 46:06
  me is Mount Everest. So let's say the eight forms of wealth is the summit. It's the ideal. It's
• 46:12
  yes, the peak. How do you get there? Base camp, then keep climbing step by step. First,
• 46:23
  first camp, second camp, and you just continue, but you, you want to know the direction to move and
• 46:29
  you want, you want to know what the summit looks like and the summit are the eight forms of wealth.
• 46:32
  Yeah. Exactly. I love that. Um, where can people go to connect with you if they want to learn more
• 46:39
  about the book? If they want to get the book, I'm assuming everywhere they usually get their books,
• 46:43
  but websites, social, all that. Sure. They can get it, they can get the book at the wealth money
• 46:51
  and buy.com. And when they order it there, they can get some truly amazing bonuses. Okay. And,
• 47:02
  they could also get it, you know, all good book stores across the US and Canada, a world wide
• 47:07
  actually Amazon, audible, et cetera, et cetera. Perfect. Um, your socials, I mean, you're,
• 47:15
  you're everywhere. So what's your handle? I have to take a look and make sure I give you the right
• 47:19
  handle one second. If I go to Instagram, um, and I'll put this in the show note as well.
• 47:26
  But I'm assuming you're at Robin Sharma, almost at Robin Sharma, at Robin Sharma on Instagram,
• 47:32
  uh, YouTube Robin Sharma. Yeah. Okay. Perfect. Two last rapid fire to close this out. Um,
• 47:41
  if you're, if you're going to look back after all the, all, I mean, you've written tons of books
• 47:45
  about a great career, multiple seasons to your career as well, um, which I always find a lot of fun
• 47:50
  when people can pivot and then kill it in other domains, going from law to motivational speaker,
• 47:55
  coach, writer, that is like a complete 180. So, and you've done it exceptionally well. Um,
• 48:01
  if you're going to look back, what would you tell your 20 year old self? I would say,
• 48:06
  it's amazing how far you get through sheer persistence and self belief. I would say,
• 48:13
  get up at five a.m. and spend an hour every day making yourself into the strongest,
• 48:20
  most authentic, most clear grounded,
• 48:25
  loving person you could possibly be. I would say, don't listen to the critics. They know
• 48:32
  not of what they speak. I would say, this is mission critical to playing your best game. And I
• 48:39
  would say, I'm a great family life along the way. And lastly, I would say, make sure you are serving
• 48:46
  because when you, you use my, my god, these friends, you know, when you lose yourself and serve us
• 48:52
  with others, you really find yourself. I love that. Okay. Robin, thank you so much.
• 48:59
  Thank you for writing this and thank you for putting, you know what? When you speak to other
• 49:03
  creators, when I speak to other creators, I get inspired because the love that you give your,
• 49:08
  your, your audience and your readers, I think that's a beautiful place to operate from.
• 49:14
  And I think that that's what a creator should aspire to be. So just, I want to say thank you.
• 49:18
  Thank you for coming on, but also thank you for putting as much into your work as you do.
• 49:22
  It means really a lot, Scott, and it's been a pleasure spending this hour with you.
• 49:27
  Thank you very much and continued success.