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96. [Georgia] Terry Rouse · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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Stuart finally get to the episode. All right, So Terry Eugene Rouse
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was born June sixteenth, nineteen sixty six. And Where'sboro, Georgia? Where'sboro?
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Where's Boro? I don't know, you're sure you better get it right?
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And the last time I went to Georgia and somebody must pronounce the town.
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I know we got we got it. Some letters, we Stu got
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some letters. I was right, Georgia to Jerry and Sarah Rouse. Now,
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Terry had two brothers. He had an older brother named Jerry, So
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there's Jerry and Terry and a younger brother named Shannon, and then also a
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sister named Angel. Now Terry was described as fun loving and outgoing. Now
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he loved all of his little cousins. He was that guy that the when
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he went to the family barbecues, he was immediately drawn to the kids,
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and the kids loved him. He liked to go play with all little kids
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and everything like that. Just a fun loving guy. Great you know,
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cousin, Cousin Terry would just have tons of funds with all the babies and
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toddlers and all that stuff. He's the guy you wanted the barbecue because then
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your kids going on. You don't feel bad. You're just like, yeah,
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go play with Terry hired, yes and yes, and you got to
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go like eat your food and peace because old cousin Terry was there. So
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now, growing up, they also had a cousin named Craig Thrift. Now
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Craig he was like a brother to the Rousse's boys. So it was the
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three Rousse's brothers, and then then Craig was always there with him. Now,
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the Rousse's family was a typical Southern family. They met every Sunday at
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Grandma and Grandpa's house to have cookouts. Now this isn't my typical southern family
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because my family's fucked up. But I hear this is a yes, STU
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didn't have the kind of thing. We were the only ones here. Yeah,
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they were here. My family was completely screwed up, and um,
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but I talked to a lot of people. They all like, oh,
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yeah, we would do. They all know their cousins and that's everybody in
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Louisianna cousin t Bow, cousin t Roy. Anyway, So they had this
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like big southern family that met up every every weekend and at Grandma and Grandpa's
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house. That had this big cookout and they would call it the Thrift Cookout
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after the one of the last names, like Craig Thrift, the cousin it
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was after their last name. Now the boys. They also spent a lot
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of time in the Whole family down at the Okifinoki Swamps near way Cross,
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Georgia. And yes, it's pronounced ok finocchi, because I listened to it
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to make sure I pronounced it right, ok finocchi. It sounds very similar
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to something that would be like where I'm from, Muskogee, Ok. You
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know, sounds like an Oklahoma. Yeah. When are you going to learn
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to say a chapel? Anyways, Jesus Christ, Jesus take the whale run
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us into a ditch please Anyway, So they were the Whole family the documentary
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that I watched on this they were very proud of the fact that they're like
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swamp people, that they're trump Yeah, they were like, we're swamp in
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like real sick accents. Now, after high school or around that time frame,
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you know, seventeen eighteen years old, Terry began working for the family
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business and his dad owned a I don't know his dad or his uncle owned
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a concrete laying business and did contracting work, so just probably like general constructions
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and things like that. Now, working right alongside Terry was his cousin Craig,
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which was you know, Craig's the one run around. He's like a
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brother to him. And this helped even solidify their relationship, their friendship even
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more because they spent every single day together, pick picked each other up for
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to go to work and everything. Spend all day on in these jobs.
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Now they are the best of friends, spending all day hanging out. I
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spend all day working, hanging out on the weekends. Tied at the hip.
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Now Craig and his wife Ronda, they welcomed his son in nineteen ninety.
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Now Terry was very close to his new nephew and Stupoard annound that it
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says nephew. Well, they considered him like a nephew because he would technically
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be a second cousin. I guess sure something, I think something like that.
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But Craig and him were so close like brothers. They called him his
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uncle Terry. Now he doated on him and he carried him everywhere. Now
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Terry was surrounded by friends and family and he was just having a good time.
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He was young, just living his life, working hard, drinking beer
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all here. Swamp people think, yeah, I guess, I don't know.
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That's when you go out in the swamp at night. Like you got
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the spotlight and you got the little gig and you get the frogs. Okay,
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we used to go. We used to go crabbing on the beach.
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Crabbing on the beach is a lot less ikey than oh no, he used
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to just drive a vehicle on the beach with lights or whatever, and you
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see the crabs, see them or get them and boil them. I wouldn't
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really partake in that part. I just remember seeing them. Oh yeah.
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On May eleven, nineteen ninety one, a trooper comes across and abandoned blew
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a thunderbird in the Okefinoki State Park. He runs the plates and the car
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comes back to Sarah Rouse. When they contact her to come move her car,
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she tells them that her son, Terry, was the last one that
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was driving it. Now, why wou't you tell the cops that? I
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don't understand, Well, unless you're concerned, They're like, we don't care
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who was driving It's well, I know that she's saying, like that's odd.
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I'm not the one that's I wasn't driving it. She don't even know
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where it's because she don't even know where it's at. She's like, where
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where's it at? I'm not I wouldn't even the last one to drive it.
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I'm sure she's telling him like I don't know what where would even be?
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My son was having at last, That's what I would say. Why
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do you think it was a dumb question? Stewart, good grief. I
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don't know. It just sounds like she was like, oh, my son
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Terry, like you need to contact him and tell him to move it.
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It's what it sounds like. Well, she was gonna have to go find
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someone to do it. She probably was thinking, just contact Terry. I
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don't know what that dumb ass did. He probably he's probably done some dumb
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assery before, and she's just like, well call Terry. Terry. Well,
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the police thought like I did. They're like, we don't care who
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the last one it was drove it. You either need to move it or
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it's going to be told because they didn't seem too concerned about it being a
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crime scene. Now she calls up her other son Shannon, and tells him
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to go get the car so that they don't have to pay for it to
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be towed. Now, they didn't think much of it that Terry wasn't with
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the car. They just thought he had left it out there and he'd be
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back at some point. Like I said, Terry's done some probably gotten himself
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into some situations out there out there with the swamp. You know, Let's
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go out and see something out in the swamp. Wander off. Oh there's
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gator out there. I gotta go wrestling. I'll be back that kind of
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Actually, yeah, there was some home video footage of it and they were
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wrestling a gator at one point. So yeah, these are like, these
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are kind of Cajun adjacent. I feel like this isn't it seems like they
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couldn't be. Now, Shannon goes with his older brother Jerry, to pick
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up the car. When they approached the car, they can see both windows
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are rolled down, the keys are in the ignition. There's a pack of
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cigarettes in the front, a lighter, and Terry's work clothes and shoes and
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a bag in the back. They go to start the car and it was
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dead. The ignition had been left on. Now they try to jump start
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the car, but it still won't go because it's out of gas. Now
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they started to become somewhat concerned by the fact that the car was out of
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gas because it wasn't like their brother to let the car run out of gas.
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So he'll just leave a car there. But he's wander you would never
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like because the cops didn't think about when they saw it, because they just
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have seen this car abandon The family gets the call, they're like, Okay,
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Terry's doing something dumb. Let's go pick up the car. But the
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fact that he left cigarettes, he left like all of his stuff in the
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car, so they're already like, okay, this is weird. This isn't
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right. And then the fact that he left the car running until it completely
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ran out of fuel is completely They're like, okay, this is But the
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cops wouldn't know that because all they would have done has seen the car ran.
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The plate said, come to the car. How do you know if
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the car just sat there run until it ran out of gas. I haven't
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gotten that far. Oh well, spoilered. Now they pull the car away
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and they noticed an unusual spot on the ground underneath, and there's a section
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of burned grass. Now this was from the car sitting there idling until it
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ran out of gas. Oh, I just was it, like, guest,
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just a lucky guess it's like I wrote this or something almost like.
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Yeah. Now, Terry, like we've been talking about, was known to
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party and on occasion wouldn't meet a girl and stay out all night long.
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But for him to leave his car like this was completely out of character.
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Now, Terry's brothers were very concerned, so they called their mom up,
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and she began calling family and friends, just hey, have you Like we
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said, it's a big family. They actually like get along with each other
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and talk to each other, and like my family, they would if they
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called my family, like, I don't know, I hadn't seen her in
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five years. Address yeah, but their family was close. So she starts
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making the rounds, calling everybody, all the aunts, the uncles, the
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cousins, everybody, to see if anybody's seen Terry. Now, Jerry and
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Chen and they began riding around town to see if he was at any of
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his usual spots. They said Terry was very much a creature of habit.
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He always loaded up and picked up his cousin Craig when they would head off
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to work. He went to the same places all the time, Like there
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wasn't anything Terry wasn't didn't just go Terry. Terry was Terry, you know,
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and didn't pick up and go to Vegas for the weekend or something.
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So they head out to Terry's work, where they speak to Craig and he
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says that he has not seen him. Now, when talking to Craig,
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he tells Shannon and Jerry that they all went to a house party the night
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before. Craig was there with his wife Ronda, and they both left before
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Terry. Now, they did say they saw Terry around two am. He
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was sitting in his car smoking a cigarette. Now, based on Craig's story,
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Terry had been partying the night before, like he just said. But
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this wasn't completely out of character. Even though they said they saw him up
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to him and he had to be at work the next morning. He did
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this all the time. They're They're like, young, I can't drink the
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night before him be up, I'll be I can't even stay up till two
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and going to work. I know, but I don't know what it's like.
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I've never been something alcohol. I get like reverse hangovers, and it
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gets worse as the day goes on. Yeah. Still, if means do
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like drink, he'll wake up. He might feel a little crumby the benning,
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but then he goes about his day and he starts feeling better. I
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get progressively worse. I think I might be allergic to it or something.
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I should probably give it up, but let's let's get crazy anyway. So
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they party night before. You know, he's young, he can pop up
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the next day and go work construction. No big deal now, So they
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go to They decide to go ahead and go report Terry as a missing person.
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But he hasn't been gone at forty eight hours. He is a young
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man, so the police just assume he has just taken off somewhere and he'll
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be back. Nothing alarming. It's like said, he's been known to go
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off with the girl and stuff like that. I mean, I can't really
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blame the police, are like, although the car was very suspicious, that
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was and he didn't show up to work, so huh, yeah, that
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was pretty pretty out of the out of character for Terry. Norm So after
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forty eight hours there's still no sign of Terry. So the family returns to
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the Ware County Sheriff's office to say, hey, can we start pursuit pursuing
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this as a missing person. Two days after Terry went missing, Ware County
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Sheriff's Department, they open a case and they bring in the Georgia Bureau of
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Investigation. Now that GBI started to look at Terry's life, and they find
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that he had a court date coming up for a DUI that he'd gotten a
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few weeks prior. Back in nineteen ninety one, a d UY would not
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have resulted in much of anything like it does today. You're gonna find maybe
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some communities probably, I guarantee it wasn't even like you know, like now
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they have the billboards it's a minimum ten thousand dollars fine for a d d
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WI DUI or whatever. Back then, it's probably like a slap on the
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wrist. Yeah, as long as you didn't kill anybody. Then if you
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just got pulled over and they gave you a DUI, yeah, it was
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nothing. Not a whole lot they would do to you. Now, they
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did not feel that this would be enough reason for Terry to skip down.
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Yeah, it's nothing to run away from. To be like Oh my god,
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I'm about to go to jail for the next five year or so over
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something, you know. So they started looking at the party that Terry had
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gone to the night before. There was a lot of drinking and there was
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rumors that there was drug use at the party, and police are wondering if
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Terry purchased them drugs the deal went bad, or maybe healed some people some
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money. Now would not be out of character for this town near the swamp.
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People were looking to escape their lives, and drugs and alcohol were not
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an uncommon part of life there. Yeah, this is this is small town,
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backwoods Georgia. I'm sure there was many a twelve pack drank plus a
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little wind, maybe something a little harder. I'm not sure back in the
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nineties if they had any proliferation of Yeah, I doubt it was like the
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hard stuff, but I'm sure that if you knew somebody was there. Yeah.
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Now, these were just rumors around town, and the police had no
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evidence that Terry was involved with a bad drug deal, and I'm not even
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sure if they knew if he even did drugs at all. They did speak
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to people at the party, and everyone's gonna have a first time Stewart that
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they didn't Bigger go home Terry. They spoke to people at the party and
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no one had seen or heard anything like that going on. Now, by
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the time the GBI was in, the evidence in Terry's car was already compromised
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because, like I said, they've waited. The brothers came picked up the
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car. The car had been released back to the family, Terry's mom because
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she's the one who owned it. She had been in the car both the
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Terry's brothers had driven it, so any useful evidence would have been completely destroyed
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at that point. They really should have taken the fact that they said that
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that all the clues about the car being left running and all his belongings,
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that they really should have looked at that immediately and said this is suspicious.
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I don't know if they would today. If not, if they would have
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thought that today, I feel like today there would have been a little born.
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I don't know why old Shannon and Jerry didn't think it was a crime
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thing well, I don't know. I feel like people were less suspicious back
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then. People are very highly suspicious now. You see anything out of the
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norm and you're like, oh my god, that bet trashed back on the
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side of the road. Dead body for sure. Yes, So anyways,
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they live among us, they walk among us. They're probably listening to this
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podcast right now. Yes, anyway, so all this evidence has been destroyed.
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Now, with no signs of Terry, they start looking at his inner
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circle. So the first person they go and talk to is his cousin and
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best friend, Craig Thrift. Now, Craig was one of the last people
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to see Terry at the party the night before. Ronda tells the same story
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to police about seeing him in his car at the party that he had that
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they had told the brothers whenever they were asking about him. Now they asked
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Craig about the next morning, as they knew that Terry would normally pick up
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Craig on the way to work. Now, Craig says he waited around for
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Terry, but he never showed, so he just decided to go ahead and
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just walk to work, expecting Terry to show up a little later. But
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he never did. Maybe thinking the same thing, like he's met a girl
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and you know, there's no cell phones back then, so he doesn't show
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up. He's like, oh god, Terry's went and met some girl after
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the party and he's running late. I'll just walk to work and get started
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and I'll see him a little bit later. Now, Ronda confirms Craig's story
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that he had to walk to work that morning and they had not seen Terry
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since that night before. With nothing to go on, Terry's family, friends,
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and police began passing out missing persons missing a well missing person flyers okay,
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offering a seven thousand dollar reward for any information leading to Terry's whereabouts.
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These flyers were passed out all over southeast Georgia and northern Florida. Despite the
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massive effort, they still receive no clues as to where Terry is. With
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the case growing cold, they go back to the family to make sure they
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aren't missing anything. And this is when Terry's mom tells police she has a
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bad feeling about Craig and Terry's relationship. She tells police that prior to Rohnda
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marrying Craig, she dated Terry. You see, this is when all the
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yeah, see, after a little bit of time, everybody starts sitting thinking
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about stuff. All the families like, wait a minute, I forgot about
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that, you know, because you don't really if So Craig and Ronda been
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married. You know, they got married and now they have a kid and
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stuff. You don't really think about those things until you really start thinking,
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like, who, what could what could have possibly happened in the past,
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Who what has happened in our family that could have led to Terry being missing?
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And all this stuff starts to boil to the surface, all these family
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issues. You don't have to look very far with my family, though.
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The issues are right at the surface. Yes they are. They have signs,
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they're like screaming. I thought it was a carnival waiving people down issues.
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Here, here are the issues, and now I got one in my
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house. Yep. Police start asking around about old Craig and multiple family members
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and friends say that Craig was verbally abusive to Ronda and that their marriage was
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struggling. Yeah, thank rumor has it that Ronda began confiding in Terry and
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this turned into them rekindling their romance. Yes, having an affair, supposedly
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all rumors Rnda having an affair. Yeah, Craig's a single David, he
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han't having an affair. What did I say, Craig having an affair?
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I don't know. Well, Craig's married to Ronde's I don't know who the
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fuck you're talking. Oh, I'm sorry. But if Terry, no,
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Terry, no, he doesn't. He's not just some innocent bystander like,
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oh, I'm single, let me date Ronda. He just tripped in foil
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in it. Oh my god, what's wrong with you? What? Oh
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my god. Anyways, Terry is in the wrong as well if he was
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in fact having an affair with Ronda. Now, but Craig's also terrible if
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he was abusive to Ronda. So poor Ronda, she's just stuck in the
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middle. Now, with this new information, Stewart, don't laugh at that.
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That didn't that's wrong with you? What's wrong with you? Now?
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With this new information, police bring in Craig to question him some more about
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his movements the night of Terry's disappearance. Now he repeats that same story he
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told police before. They then ask if he will take a polygraph tests.
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In his responses, did you find a body? Which is a weird thing
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to say. So when they say no, he gets up and leaves.
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Now, please are starting to find old Craig highly suspicious, and so does
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the family. They're like Craig's actual funny, guess we're not going to be
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going to cook out this weekend. Well, Craig's not invited for sure.
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Well it's his cookout in Well, it's not his, it's his family.
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He might just be black sheeped out of this thing. Now at this point,
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Craig is the only person that would have had a motive to kill Terry.
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The family was trying to wrap their head around the fact that one of
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their own could have done this. I mean, this guy that's like a
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brother to them, best friend, everything could could have hurt Terry. Now,
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please speak to Ronda again, but they do not believe that she had
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anything to do with Terry's disappearance. I've to say something about these polygraph tests
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because I was watching another show and I don't even know why we're doing these
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things anymore. We are currently still using them today. They're not admissible in
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court, and I was watching things The Green River killer Gary Ridgeway, he
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passed his polygraph test and he killed like forty eight women and he passed it.
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It's a true sociopath can actually pass these things. So I don't know
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even know why we're using them. They're stupid. Anyways, No, we're
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still using them today though. They still us you're gonna take a pomp,
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You're gonna take a lie detect your test, Like this is so dumb.
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They even had it on Real Housewife's of Beverly Hills a couple of seasons ago.
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Polygraph on Um it was Lisa vander Pump because there was this dog called
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Lucy, Lucy Apple Juicy. Oh my god, it's a whole thing with
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Lucy. The whole the whole season was abound lucyminal something. No, no,
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oh, there's definitely criminals, like the Real Housewife's of Salt Lake City,
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definitely criminals on there. So anyway, so in a couple other I
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think New Jersey definitely got some criminals. So oh, Erica Jane on Real
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house Beverly Hires, I'm pretty sure she know, she knew all about her
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has been um stealing all that money from the plane crash victims. Anyways,
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I die, I was the word what's so word I'm not talking about.
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I'm not saying anything else. I divessed, digressed, digress three college degrees
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from three college degrees, I digress. So anyway, so with no leads
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and nobody like old Craig asked about. The case actually went cold for over
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twenty years. Ronda and Craig divorced, of course, and he moved to
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a neighboring county and remarried. I typed to country there was he did not
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move to a neighboring country. Neither Canada nor Mexico would want him. So
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the Thrift Jesus Christ was getting together one throwing me. The Thrift and Rouse
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families continue to live their lives not knowing what happened to Terry. In two
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thousand eleven, one of the agents who worked Terry's case back in nineteen ninety
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one had been promoted to run the office that covered southeast Georgia. Now he
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comes across a police report that Craig's second wife had filed on Craig. They
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bring her in an interviewer and she says that Craig was verbally abusive and would
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threaten her. She said he had one of Terry's Missing persons flyers, and
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he would point at it during fights, and he would tell her he would
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make her disappear, just like he did to Terry. Now she said she
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had been too afraid of Craig all these years, but was ready to be
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rid of him, so she finally filed a police report. I mean,
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it just so happenstance that the one of the agents was now like in charge
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over there that came across this, you know, because anybody else probably wouldn't
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even paid attention to it. You know, you don't think it would probably
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just been like, oh, those are empty threats. I don't think so.
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I think they looked out that this guy. Yeah, they might have
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been like, oh, here we go, we got a mad wife and
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trying to say that he's saying no or not. No, that's not the
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direction I was going, Stuard, But I was saying that they would just
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think, oh, the Terry guy, he's an asshole and he's just trying
24:07
to scare his wife. Is the direction I was going, Well, you
24:11
wouldn't think that we go question Terry about why are you threatening to murder?
24:15
Or well, they might question about that, but they wouldn't. I don't
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think they would have thought anything about Terry's wanted poster or may not wanted missing
24:23
person poster. Anyways, Now with this the second wife coming in saying this,
24:32
they were able to pull enough evidence against Craig for Terry's murder to actually
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get a grand jury assemboled. So on April third, and we'll walk through
24:42
the evidence through the case. This okay, ste We're gonna explain. Oh
24:48
thank god, I didn't know what we're gonna do. So on April third,
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twenty twelve, Craig is indicted by a grand jury on one count of
24:55
malice murder and one count of felony murder based on aggravated assault. Now play
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it's not guilty, and on April fourteenth, twenty fourteen, the trial began.
25:03
Now, the prosecution, they painted a picture of a jealous Craig.
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They believed that he became aware of the affair between Ronda and Terry that night,
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like during the party, maybe walked in psalm or psalm getting too close
25:15
or whatever, and confronted him. Now the next morning, when he was
25:18
alone with Terry, he attacked him and killed him. He then either disposed
25:23
of Terry in the swamp or in the in the concrete that he had access
25:27
to. Poor because remember they laid concrete, so they had slabs, and
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once you put someone in that, I mean, unless you know where they're
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at. Yeah, they're not in Bible to find them. He then moved
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Terry's car to the park and abandoned it. He was able to make it
25:41
to work that morning and go on about his day like nothing happened. Now,
25:45
they did have a babysitter that night that was staying at the Thrift's home,
25:49
because you know they had little the little baby there and everything like that.
25:53
You know, they got it, they were responsible. They did have
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a babysit went on the party. Yes, so they had the baby.
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They're staying then i Thrift's home, and she did come and testify that she
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had slept on the couch that night and was awoken by Ronda and Craig fighting
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in the early morning hours. She also said that she saw Terry at the
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Thrift's home sometime between five and six am. So this completely contradicted Craig's story.
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That's why they believe that he killed him in the early morning hours because
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remember they told police that they last time they saw him was two am in
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a car smoking a cigarette outside the party. This babysitter is like no,
26:29
and they're going to go buy the babysitter because the babysitter is not drinking,
26:33
hopefully drinking and doing drugs, and I'm pretty sure the rest of them were,
26:37
So they're much less reliable now. In addition to the babysitter testifying that
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she saw Craig that morning, police had additional testimony from friends and acquaintances of
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Craig's. In the twenty years following Rouse's disappearance, this is Terry's disappearance,
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Craig told a number of people on numerous occasions that he had killed Terry by
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beating him and or shooting him because Terry was having an affair with Ronda.
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Now. Craig said that he then disposed of Terry's body in the swamp,
27:03
sometimes describing him as gator Bait. You know, I once knew someone that
27:08
had a dog named Gator Bait. They didn't get too close to the lake
27:11
where they were gators. I don't just figured that he'd come up missing one
27:15
day. Maybe I don't know who whose dog was that that was named getor
27:18
bait. I don't know. I don't remember who it was. Anyways.
27:25
Well, I know, if you're an opposing fan that comes to Baton Rose
27:27
a Death Death Valley there to play LSU, you're called tiger Bait. Okay,
27:34
Howard, what is that that doesn't make sense because they're the LSU tigers,
27:37
I know, And why do you need Why are they tiger bait because
27:42
the tigers You're gonna draw the tigers out. Yeah, the tigers are gonna
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you're gonna catch it. So actually it doesn't make any sense because then they're
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gonna catch the tigers. They're the bait. Yeah, they eat the bait.
27:56
The tigers know, but that means that the tigers are caught though,
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use bait to catch a tiger. I'm just saying it's not it's not full
28:04
proofs to there's some holes in your in your theory. Well, there might
28:08
be some plot holes. I mean not as many as there are in the
28:11
Harry Potter Sarry, but there's plot holes, don't you dare? Oh,
28:17
we forgot to mention. I don't know if anybody we were having the oh
28:21
if you saw on our Facebook or Instagram, so we had the baby,
28:25
we had the Harry Potter theme. What. Okay, we'll do this at
28:27
the end. We'll do this at the stay tuned for the Harry Potter.
28:30
You're welcome. Send all your thank you letters to mean notes to me.
28:34
Okay, now, yes, the defense brought forward witnesses to argue that Tera
28:41
Terry Terry Terry had disappeared on his own accord. One of Terry's co workers
28:47
testify that the week before Terry's disappearance, Terry had said that he was about
28:51
to leave and that no one would be able to find him. That seems
28:53
like a manufactured statement. I don't know that. It seems like, oh
28:57
Craig gave him a couple of hundred bucks said, hey, he says,
29:00
yes, who even says that I'm about to disappear no one will be able
29:04
to find ever. Yeah, Terry explained that he had an upcoming court date
29:08
with the potential for jail time, and he owed people a lot of money.
29:12
But see that comes back to that DWI. There was no potential jail
29:15
time or anything. I think this was And after twenty years, I'm sure
29:18
the statute has run on those. Well, no, it doesn't matter about
29:22
twenty years. It was at the time. Well yeah, at the time,
29:25
So at the time it seems ridiculous. But for him to be missing
29:27
for twenty years and never come back to see his family again, yes,
29:32
because he's still avoiding a DUI from twenty years ago. Yeah, it's ridiculous.
29:37
On the afternoon before he disappeared, Terry asked Rhonda to never forget him.
29:42
Three witnesses testify that they knew Terry and had seen him after his disappearance.
29:48
The three witnesses each report is seeing Terry or someone who looked like him
29:52
after May eleventh, nineteen ninety one, but none of those individuals actually spoke
29:57
with the person they had identified as Terry. Now, I'm just assuming that
30:02
they the defense, pulled out some swamp people back there and be like,
30:06
I've done solve Terry up in Lanta. Yeah, I mean, I don't
30:11
know how credible their witnesses were, but I'm guessing not not that credible.
30:17
Why you don't think Terry's alive somewhere? No, I don't think big Foot
30:21
in el Yeah, I don't think so. Now. They also brought Rhonda
30:25
and to testify to Craig's alibi that he was home with her sleeping off the
30:29
alcohol the morning of the murder. The defense argued that all of the evidence
30:33
brought forward by the prosecution was circumstantial and that they had no hard forensic evidence
30:38
proven that Craig was involved. Well fact checked, true, Yeah, it
30:44
was all circumstantial. Yeah, and Rhonda was like, she did testify on
30:48
his behalf, but she didn't really know. She had gone to sleep,
30:52
so I mean, anything could have happened. But no. They had argued
30:56
that they didn't even have a body to prove Terry was even murder in the
31:00
first place. This is true. The police did dredge the swamp where Craig
31:03
had bragged that he had dumped Terry, but no evidence of a body was
31:07
found. Craig chose not to take the stand in his own defense at trial,
31:11
probably a good idea. Probably. The case went to the jury on
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April seventeen, twenty fourteen. They came back a quitting Craig of malice murder,
31:19
but they did find him guilty of felony murder. Craig was sentenced to
31:23
life in prison, but under nineteen ninety one laws, so in nineteen ninety
31:29
one you only had to serve a minimum of seven years of a life sentence
31:33
in Georgia before you were up for parole Craig. Craig would be eligible for
31:41
parole in twenty nineteen. He appealed his conviction multiple times and lost. He
31:45
was not granted parole in twenty nineteen, and he is currently serving out his
31:49
sentence in Hay State Prison in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Yeah, so this one
31:56
wasn't the most cut and dry case I would say. I would say,
31:59
I feel like Craig sucks. That's I mean, based on what his ex
32:06
wife said and everything like that. But no, what the ex wife said
32:10
that he was multiple people said he was verbally abusive and threatening to his wives.
32:16
However, however, I don't know if he killed Terry. I don't
32:22
Stewart, he seems like a good suspect. However, I would I would
32:27
hate to go to jail based on the evidence. Yeah, that would not
32:30
be good. That would not be good. I wouldn't feel good about that
32:31
one. No, you could just up and leave me one day. And
32:35
oh yeah, Stewart, Well, because you know what're the best thing to
32:37
do is throw to someone in the swamp, Stewart. That is how you
32:40
get rid of the body, and no one will ever find it. Now
32:44
you throw it the gators, there ain't gonna be much left, Yeah,
32:45
because then whatever the gators don't get, the crawfish, you'll get well.
32:50
And also just the swamp environment everything just yeck Yep, the frog, crawfish,
32:57
all the other little things will get you. Yep. Next thing you
33:00
know, you're in a crawfish at a crawfish boil, and the circle of
33:07
life continues. Cramata. That's how we get rid of Stu. Hey,
33:10
wait what anyway? So yeah, it's not the most cut and dry case.
33:15
And I don't know, I probably shouldn't brag about or go on about
33:20
if he was just trying to sound tough that he killed Terry even though he
33:22
didn't. Really, he probably shouldn't have been saying shit like that for twenty
33:25
years. It wasn't a good look. Now it's not a good letter.
33:30
Come around, bite you in the ass, whether you did or did not
33:31
do it. You don't brag about dumb shit like that. Yep. Anyways,
33:37
aren't Sue? Do you have a y'all need cheesus? Of course I
33:40
have. Do you guys want me to talk about the Harry Potter thing real
33:44
quick? Or no? I'll just say it real quick and then we'll move
33:46
on. Anyways, So we posted on our Facebook in the instagram if you
33:50
saw some baby. So we lined up the four onesies and the baby picked
33:53
his house and he picked Hufflepuff. We're coming to terms with it. Okay.
33:59
We know it's not flashy like your Slytherins or your griffin doors. It's
34:07
not even as m chic as your raven claws. But we're accepting as a
34:12
Hufflepuff and we're gonna we're gonna move forward with this. You say this like
34:16
it? So whatever do you even know? They? You belong to somebody?
34:22
What? Whatever house you belong to? Me? Oh my god,
34:28
Jesus, No, I was never a baby. I can't pick my house
34:34
because I've already got in my head like what I would be. All you
34:37
gonna do is put a blindfold, spin around, throw a dart or something.
34:40
Okay, well maybe we should do that for me. Then as long
34:44
as I'm not in the room when you throw the dart, I guess yeah,
34:46
I'd like to throw a dart at your room. I bet you would.
34:49
I'm kind of a Slytherin, so yes, that would definitely throw a
34:52
dart at you. Anyways, Stewart, what, oh my god? Anyways?
34:57
All right, so you have your y'all need Jesus, I do okay,
35:00
all right, coming to us from Fox five k VVUTV local Las Vegas.
35:07
I couldn't even I didn't even get Now he can because the headline says
35:12
Las Vegas Police. You could have left that ELM New York Man. You
35:15
could have left that fights one legged man. You could have just said that
35:20
stripped naked. You could have just said that dance was on top of poker
35:22
table. If you'd left out the other two things, I could have went
35:28
with Florida. No, no, I mean, I don't know if they're
35:30
gambling in Florida, is there. I don't like what the poker. I
35:35
guess they could have a poker table, and I guess they could have could
35:38
be that way. Now I don't know who this was. Fella is God
35:44
by the name of Brian Daniel Zick. I guess that is how you pronounce
35:47
it. I'm sure it's not, but go on, okay, he sounds
35:51
like a guy you could party with. Now was a caveat. I don't
35:53
know if Brian bought some kind of illicit drug on purpose, I bought something
36:00
that was cut with something, or if he was just like a hangover situation
36:05
maybe, or if he was slipped something into his drink wolfpack was slipped a
36:10
roofy. Yeah, my old gallip and akis. Now, now, I
36:15
did read a headline that the family thinks he was drugged. Of course they're
36:19
going to think the best of him. Okay, well yeah, you know,
36:22
but this guy seems like I got a party with if he's on drugs.
36:25
Las Vegas, Nevada, a New York Man was arrested for allegedly running
36:30
around the strip naked before interrupting a poker game by gyrating and picking a fight
36:36
with a one legged man. According to authority, why do they have to
36:39
say one legged man because he only had one leg? Brian faced his charge
36:45
as a disorderly conduct, battery and five counts of indecent exposure since his arrest
36:51
on Sunday. Oh this is coming to us from July tenth this year.
36:54
Oh this year. A couple of fresh Yes. According to Las Vega,
37:00
it's not fun anymore. Why is he being charged for these things? I
37:04
don't know. I thought would stay there. What happened there? Staying there?
37:07
Apparently not now. According to the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department, officers
37:12
were dispatched at about eleven twenty two pm for a reported fight at the Flamingo
37:16
near the Bird Bar Old Old Flamingo in Vegas. Oh you've been I've never
37:22
been there. Yes, I've been at the Flamingo. Yeah, I'm sure
37:25
you have. I have. Police learned a man later identified as Brian,
37:30
had attack Citizen A, who had one leg According to police, Brian then
37:37
ran, want to drill that in. Don't they that he had he attacked
37:38
a one legged man? Yes, I'm kind of wondering which one. Now,
37:44
bang he has or didn't have one of the prosthetic legs. He might
37:49
have been able to kick. He probably a kick old Brian's ass. Just
37:52
pop it off and hittim one would thing when titanium steel. Yeah. Brian
37:59
then ran and off northbound to the link. The report states Brian was not
38:04
known to Citizen A, and Citizen A declined to press chargers for some reason.
38:09
Brian was later detained at Harris He's in the spirit of Vegas. He's
38:13
like, shit happens. I knew when I came here. The best story
38:17
ever. Nobody's gonna believe with it. Brian was later detained at Harrah's,
38:22
also a casino that la by security and police arrived to verify that if he
38:27
was the same man they were looking for in regard to the assault on the
38:30
onden legged man. I've been to a Harris but the one in There's that
38:32
big one in New Orleans. Oh yeah, we did go there, didn't
38:36
we. Police believed it was him. Brian was seen by security and CCTV
38:40
footage removing his clothing at the link he ran completely naked through Harrah's. Brian
38:50
climbed to the top of a poker table game and flaunted his gentitals to all
38:54
who passed, exposing his privates while gyrating. Oh my god. Brian then
39:01
transition to a position where he exposed his but for all who passed on the
39:06
main floor, gyrating? Is that the old version of trquing? No?
39:12
Oh gyright, Okay, I don't know you wan't going to gyrate for you,
39:17
baby, and I don't think we should google it either. Security stepped
39:22
in and wrestled Brian off the table, scattering chips and cards, before he
39:28
was taken to a secure room. When questioned by police, Brian did not
39:31
recall the encounter, but he didn't but he was lucid and cooperative at the
39:37
time, but he appeared to be in an altered mental state. His next
39:40
court appearance is scheduled for August seventeenth of twenty twenty three, So stay tuned.
39:45
We might have an update on Brian. Oh, Brian, Well,
39:50
let's start at yet Louisiana. We need to party, buddy. No,
39:55
you don't. That's not gonna go well here, you'll get shot. I'd
40:01
still like to go out and see what kind of mischief he gets us into.
40:05
No, let's all start a petition. Let's let let's let Brian be
40:08
just live in infamy in Vegas and not in prison. I know. I
40:13
mean sounds like he did something foolish or slipped something he might have been and
40:19
can be argued that in a court of law. I feel like that's what
40:22
I would say us just play the movie The Hangover and be like, this
40:24
is not this is what happened to me. Yeah, anyways, all right,
40:29
Stut, that's it. Do you need more? No, I don't
40:32
need anymore. Soles. Stewart, what what's wrong with you? What did
40:39
buttholes come in? I don't want to know. Let's not rehash. Brian
40:45
then transitioned into a position where he exposed his butt for all who passed on
40:51
the man floor. The report continues, Okay, you just tuned out,
40:55
No, but you didn't say but a butt in a butthole or a completely
40:59
different well, he was naked. What do you think him? What do
41:01
you think you were? In a fine butthole? To be very crude talks?
41:05
Do you think the TV station was going to put butthole in their recording?
41:09
They put genitals, They didn't put a schlang in there. Dong crude
41:14
for some reason. Butthole, it's very crude to me anyways. So you
41:16
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