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The Death of Adrin - The Gathering Storm chapter 11 - EP519 · WoT Spoilers

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  Speaker 1: This is the Wheel of Time Spoilers podcast. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: we're here today to do the Death of Adrin, which
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  Speaker 1: is one of the more intense bubbles of evil that
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  Speaker 1: we get. I would like it. And the symbol is
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  Speaker 1: the unweaving of the pattern symbol four bubbles of.
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  Speaker 2: Evil, because we've had this web connected before to represent
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  Speaker 2: the pattern and now we're seeing it shredded with holes
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  Speaker 2: in it, and like it's obvious that it's being eaten away.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's a very good new chapter header. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's intimidating, it's scary, very appropriate for what happens
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  Speaker 1: in this chapter. And this chapter is just the bubble
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  Speaker 1: of evil and the immediate aftermath that's all that happens.
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  Speaker 1: But it's really good. I really enjoy it. It's volcanic.
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  Speaker 2: There's some Abbanda Prentice stuff in here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, as well, but I choose to ignore that because
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  Speaker 1: it's so repetitive. It's again like in the last episode,
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  Speaker 1: it just loops. She's just looping, and like, I get it,
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  Speaker 1: she's a teenager who's uncertain. It's fair to her character.
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  Speaker 1: But like I am in my thirties, I try really
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  Speaker 1: hard not to do the looping thing and so I
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  Speaker 1: ignore most of it, and.
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  Speaker 2: But we should stay at once. Right, She's looping about
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  Speaker 2: the fact that she keeps getting punished by the wise ones.
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  Speaker 2: They keep asking her all these questions about what would
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  Speaker 2: you do? What would you do? What would you do?
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  Speaker 2: She gives them answers, they say they're good answers, and
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  Speaker 2: then they punish her and say, you're not learning fast enough.
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  Speaker 1: And she's confused and trying to apply logic to it.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just like your head desk head, desk head desk, Right.
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  Speaker 2: It's like they want you to declare yourself an equal.
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  Speaker 2: They are respecting your opinions, listening to you. They're telling
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  Speaker 2: you you're as good a channel or as any I
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  Speaker 2: said I, and then they punish you like an apprentice.
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  Speaker 2: They want you to stand up for yourself and say,
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  Speaker 2: if I'm all of these things, if I'm good enough
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  Speaker 2: to channel like an I said I, if my opinions
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  Speaker 2: are good enough for the wise ones to listen to me,
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  Speaker 2: I am no longer an apprentice. I am a wise one.
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  Speaker 2: And the only thing she's missing is the wavos to
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  Speaker 2: stand up for herself, right, Like that's the only thing
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  Speaker 2: they're trying to get her to do is is just
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  Speaker 2: punish her enough that for once she'll be like, no,
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  Speaker 2: I know better than you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look at how she responds in this
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  Speaker 1: chapter right, like she is such a wise one. This
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  Speaker 1: whole bubble of eva showcases how much she is able
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  Speaker 1: to take the initiative and do what needs to be done,
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  Speaker 1: and be in front and take on the risk for
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  Speaker 1: her pasture.
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  Speaker 2: And to me, that's the point of the bubble of evils,
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  Speaker 2: to show her as this competent, as competent, if not
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  Speaker 2: more so than any of the wise ones or any
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  Speaker 2: of the I sid ee.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely absolutely, And so with that yet said, I
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  Speaker 1: will read us in. I think he should be beaten again,
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  Speaker 1: said Larian, moving her fingers in the complex motions of
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  Speaker 1: maiden hand talk. He is like a child, and when
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  Speaker 1: a child touches something dangerous, the child is beaten. If
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  Speaker 1: a child hurts himself because he was not taught properly
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  Speaker 1: to stay away from knives, then the shame is upon
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  Speaker 1: his parents. The previous beating did not seem to do
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  Speaker 1: any good, Suriel replied, he accepted it like a man,
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  Speaker 1: not a child, but did not change his actions. Then
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  Speaker 1: we must try again, Larian replied. Avianda dropped her rock
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  Speaker 1: into the pile by the watchpost, then turned around. She
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  Speaker 1: did not acknowledge the maidens who watched the way into
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  Speaker 1: the camp, and they did not acknowledge her. Speaking to
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  Speaker 1: her while she was being punished would only heighten her shame,
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  Speaker 1: and her spear sisters would not do that. She also
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  Speaker 1: didn't indicate that she understood their conversation. While nobody expected
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  Speaker 1: a former maiden to forget hand talk, it was best
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  Speaker 1: to be unobtrusive. The hand talk belonged to the maidens.
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  Speaker 1: Avianda selected a large stone from a second pile, then
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  Speaker 1: began to walk back into camp. If the maidens continued
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  Speaker 1: their conversation, she could not tell, as she could no
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  Speaker 1: longer see their hands, but their discussion lingered with her.
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  Speaker 1: They were angered that randol Thor had gone to meet
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  Speaker 1: with the General Rotal at Toraldo without guards. It was
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  Speaker 1: not the first time he had acted so foolishly, and
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  Speaker 1: yet he seemed unwilling or unable to learn the proper way.
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  Speaker 1: Each time he put himself in danger without protection. He
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  Speaker 1: insulted the maidens as surely as if he had slapped
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  Speaker 1: each one in the face. Avianda probably had some small
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  Speaker 1: toe toward her spear sisters. Teaching randolphor of ieal ways
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  Speaker 1: had been her task, and she had quite obviously failed. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: she had a much greater toe towards the wise ones,
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  Speaker 1: even if she still didn't know the reason. Her lesser
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  Speaker 1: duty to her spear sisters would have to wait for
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  Speaker 1: an appropriate time. Her arms ached from carrying rocks. They
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  Speaker 1: were smooth and heavy. She had been required to dig
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  Speaker 1: them out of the river beside the manor house. Only
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  Speaker 1: her time spent with a lane, when she had been
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  Speaker 1: forced to bathe in water, had given her the strength
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  Speaker 1: to walk into that river. In that she had not
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  Speaker 1: shamed herself. At least, this river was a small one.
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  Speaker 1: Wetlanders might inaccurately call it a stream. A stream was
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  Speaker 1: a tiny mountain runoff in which you could dip your
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  Speaker 1: hands or fill of water skin. Anything too large to
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  Speaker 1: step across was definitely a river. I just had to
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  Speaker 1: go through the river park because I just I love her,
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  Speaker 1: like on the one hand, being a badass IU and
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  Speaker 1: being like I ain't scared in a water, but also
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  Speaker 1: still being such a n ail. And if you can't
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  Speaker 1: step across it, it is a river.
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  Speaker 2: Which I mean fair. Yeah, I'll give you that. I'll
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  Speaker 2: give you that's.
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  Speaker 1: We are in Cascadia. You and I both live in
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  Speaker 1: the land of cascating waters, where there are a great
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  Speaker 1: many creeks that you cannot step across that are very
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  Speaker 1: much not rivers.
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  Speaker 2: See creek, I suppose. Well.
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  Speaker 1: And see, here's the funny thing is in geomorphology, which
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  Speaker 1: I did take in college, stream is the word that's
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  Speaker 1: applied to any body of moving water. Stream is actually
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  Speaker 1: the Ketchell umbrella term for everything from a tiny creek
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  Speaker 1: to a mighty river.
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  Speaker 2: So a river is a stream, but a stream isn't
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  Speaker 2: necessarily a.
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  Speaker 1: River, right right, exactly exactly so, but you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I definitely do understand. Like what is the definition of
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  Speaker 1: a river? Like is it measured by the fact that
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  Speaker 1: you cannot get across it? Is that like how you
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  Speaker 1: would define the cutoff for river? Like?
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  Speaker 2: Eh, Also, let's talk about the fact that you have
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  Speaker 2: seasonal changes, like sometimes you might be able to step
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  Speaker 2: across it. Sometimes it might be a raging torrent like
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  Speaker 2: in Bridge to Terabithia. Yeah, to bring up another story
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  Speaker 2: that's just tragic and involves a crik.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, or like I mean, even my creek is extremely
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  Speaker 1: flashy in the winter, and it's also extremely divergent between
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  Speaker 1: summer and winter modes, Like the winter mode is a
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  Speaker 1: much fuller stream. And then yeah, in the summer you
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  Speaker 1: can sometimes get across the creek entirely just walking on
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  Speaker 1: rocks and walking across the bedrock and not you have
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  Speaker 1: to go in past your knees, like just because there's
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  Speaker 1: so much bare exposed rock and it's very very empty.
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  Speaker 1: The creek is you know, a human deep basically, and
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  Speaker 1: you can see that in the summer. You go down
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  Speaker 1: in there and you're like, huh, the base high water
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  Speaker 1: mark of the creek bank is mat my eye head height.
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  Speaker 2: Now, okay, and I yield deep or a kyrieenne and
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  Speaker 2: deep because those are very different deep.
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  Speaker 1: It depends, It very much depends. But yeah, they are
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  Speaker 1: very different bodies of water depending on the season. And
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  Speaker 1: there's you know, boulders that are really great for sitting
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  Speaker 1: on in the summer and that don't even make a
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  Speaker 1: ripple on the surface in the winter because of how
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  Speaker 1: deep the water is in them.
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  Speaker 2: So the one thing I guess I'm to take away
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  Speaker 2: from this conversation is the rand is not open. And
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  Speaker 2: we've seen this over and over again, where Rand and
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  Speaker 2: the maidens are not fucking doing their thing, Like he's
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  Speaker 2: running away from them all the time. He's never letting
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  Speaker 2: them hang out with him, even though he promised them,
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  Speaker 2: even after the beating. And it's something I think we
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  Speaker 2: talked about it, even after the beating. We're like, why
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  Speaker 2: does he keep he said he would have honor it,
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  Speaker 2: and he just doesn't. Over and over and over again,
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  Speaker 2: why doesn't he take the maidens with him? And I
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  Speaker 2: know it's just like they can't bear to see women
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  Speaker 2: die and so it hurts them insides. We leaves them
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  Speaker 2: behind so not to put them in danger, but like
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  Speaker 2: even some common sense, like like we said earlier, going
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  Speaker 2: to fucking Eralda, why not why not take them? I
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  Speaker 2: don't get it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's absolutely ridiculous. He was supposed to be over this.
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  Speaker 1: This was supposed to be a done plot thread, right.
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  Speaker 1: I don't agree with the whole you're supposed to beat
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  Speaker 1: your children into compliance. I don't like that part of
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  Speaker 1: idea IEO culture. But like plot wise, with Rand, he
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  Speaker 1: made it very clear that the beating had made an
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  Speaker 1: impression on him, and for him to be renegging on
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  Speaker 1: that now feels at a character.
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  Speaker 2: And again, it's just one of those things that I
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  Speaker 2: think that Sanderson wants to say He's not doing it
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  Speaker 2: now after Veins of Gold, he will, right, this is
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  Speaker 2: this is redemption that he starts listening to people around
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  Speaker 2: him and taking other accounts, their their opinions into account.
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  Speaker 1: Letting people be heroes too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, right, right, right, right right, that's a good
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  Speaker 2: way to put it, because.
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  Speaker 1: That's what he does. But he allows the Maidens to
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  Speaker 1: choose to be.
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  Speaker 2: Heroes exactly exactly after Veins of Gold.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So in that regard, I suppose he was being
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  Speaker 1: faithful to the Darth Rand mode in the last chapter.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, but you know, yeah, and we saw
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  Speaker 2: a lot of Jordan did a lot of Even after
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  Speaker 2: the beating, Jordan still had him running off without getting
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  Speaker 2: the Maidens with him, right, Like this isn't the first
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  Speaker 2: time he's done that. Like it's not like, oh Sanderson
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  Speaker 2: changed his behavior, like he got beaten and he still
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  Speaker 2: was running away without the Maidens all the time, like
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  Speaker 2: even in Jordan's text.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, but it also fits in with the regression
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  Speaker 1: that the other yes character.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it is. It is the regression time of
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  Speaker 2: like Oh yeah, these things that we thought we dealt
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  Speaker 2: with are going to be brought up again and reiterated
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  Speaker 2: so that Sanderskin can write the characters past them when
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  Speaker 2: it's like, why doesn't he just right past that point?
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  Speaker 2: Like why can he jump off of the existing point
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  Speaker 2: rather than bringing us back a step to take two
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  Speaker 2: steps forward? His little baby writer Yeah that to me,
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  Speaker 2: this very much feels like this is the part of
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  Speaker 2: the books where he is taking that step back so
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  Speaker 2: that he can charge forward, but he's getting his footing right.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, yep. Avianda thinks about how weird Wetlanders are. The
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  Speaker 1: whole complaining rant. This complaining rant from her about how
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  Speaker 1: Wetlanders are with complaining reminds me of Matt and the Boots.
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  Speaker 2: Mmmm.
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  Speaker 1: It gives me the same kind of like you were
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  Speaker 1: so close, but then you somehow managed to land in
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  Speaker 1: just pure cringe.
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  Speaker 2: Just by being two on the nose, just like saying
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  Speaker 2: the thing out loud that she's talking around, because there's.
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  Speaker 1: A good nug of a rant here about the difference
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  Speaker 1: between their cultures. But Avienda feels regressed in terms of
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  Speaker 1: her ability to understand the cross cultural compatibility.
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  Speaker 2: Right. It's like she just got pulled out of this
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  Speaker 2: whole thing with a lane and basically being like converting
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  Speaker 2: to and or culture. And I could see her being like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my god, did I go too far? But her
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  Speaker 2: total lack of understanding of wet Lander culture, it seems
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  Speaker 2: like it's the opposite problem. It's like she did she
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  Speaker 2: go too native? Did she go Dances with Wolves and
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  Speaker 2: start like wearing the dress right like? Or you know,
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  Speaker 2: Avatar if you want to go in that direction because
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  Speaker 2: of the same fucking movie.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I was always comparing it to fern Gully, But
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  Speaker 1: you're right, you're right. Dances with Wolves is kind of
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  Speaker 1: just fern Gully without fairies.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no native white man, white man comes across Native
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  Speaker 2: population living better than he is, decides to go native
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  Speaker 2: to fight back against the oppressive other white people who
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  Speaker 2: are coming to destroy the native's way of life.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah it is, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And like wins a minor victory, but we all know
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  Speaker 2: in the end that the big corporation is going to
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: come in and plow it all over any under any way,
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  Speaker 2: And there's that little victory didn't make a difference all
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  Speaker 2: three movies.
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  Speaker 1: I only ever watched Dances with Wolves once, but I
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  Speaker 1: was obsessed with vern Gully Gully.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean we can talk about yeah, Parent's
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  Speaker 2: regression about leadership, Matt's regression about fucking just women not
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  Speaker 2: being immature, right, Yeah, in the boots and all that,
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  Speaker 2: like the story, Like he just he just goes back
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  Speaker 2: to this earlier trickster Matt. That's terrible. He doesn't even regress,
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  Speaker 2: He just he's just written wrong. I would say he
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: tries to regressing those bad Yeah, Parent regresses on leadership.
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  Speaker 2: Rand does some weird regression on his relationships with other
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  Speaker 2: people and his insanity.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Avienda is regressing on her cultural competence, which
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  Speaker 1: is kind of her.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like Ninive also goes back to this much
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  Speaker 2: more angry, hypocritical like she's kind of Jordan had evolved
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  Speaker 2: her past the worst of the hypocriticalness.
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  Speaker 1: Which Brandon tries. He tries to keep her Agwaine, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think really regresses.
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  Speaker 2: She kind of just but Agwayne. He writes as someone
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  Speaker 2: who never had any affection for Rand.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's kind of like Matt in that she's just
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  Speaker 1: written different differently. Yeah, it's a slightly different person.
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  Speaker 2: It's a slightly different person, and this is the person
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  Speaker 2: who just has completely walked away from her origins as
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  Speaker 2: the Two Rivers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll get into that properly next chapter, because
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  Speaker 1: that's when that will happen. But yeah, this rant from
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  Speaker 1: Avanda about wetlander complaints, it hits me the same as
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  Speaker 1: Matt's boot rant. It's like, I want this to be good.
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  Speaker 1: This is close to good, but there's something just yeah,
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  Speaker 1: a little too on the nose about it that it's
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  Speaker 1: just too willfully clueless to quite make me happy.
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  Speaker 2: So as she's doing her dumb tasks, she walks past
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  Speaker 2: the guards who are doing the very much the Shakespeare
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  Speaker 2: two guards standing out front telling jokes, right, and then
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  Speaker 2: one of them goes, yeah, I'm really hot. Neil one goes,
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  Speaker 2: it's not that hot in here, you know, you must
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  Speaker 2: have a fever or something, and.
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  Speaker 1: I guy's like, no, I just I'm just uncomfortable. And
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  Speaker 1: so she does another round of the thing, continues to think.
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  Speaker 2: And then yeah, we can do another loop, right, another
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  Speaker 2: loop of the same thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, literally, she's literally looping. She is both literally and
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  Speaker 1: figuratively looping on this and working her body so hard,
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  Speaker 1: working her mind so hard while she's trying to figure
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  Speaker 1: this out and it's like, girl, you were putting effort
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  Speaker 1: into the wrong thing.
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  Speaker 2: So this, I thought was an interesting line that I
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  Speaker 2: really want to break down. Ignoring heat and cold, as
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  Speaker 2: Lane had taught her, didn't keep her from sweating when
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  Speaker 2: she worked her body this hard. Yes it does. It's
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  Speaker 2: explicitly stated you will literally stop sweating until you drop
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  Speaker 2: dead from heat stroke. Right, Like, fuck, that line all
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  Speaker 2: through me. I got so angry at that line. I'm like, no,
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  Speaker 2: that's literally what we've said, repeatedly stated that it will
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  Speaker 2: literally stop you from sweating no matter what, like you
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  Speaker 2: will drop over dead first.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I would have thought that the more logical way
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  Speaker 1: to resolve that is ignoring the heat and cold was
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  Speaker 1: all very well unless you were working your body, at
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  Speaker 1: which point it makes no sense and so the trick
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  Speaker 1: it makes no sense to maintain.
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  Speaker 2: That, right yeah, yeah, which point like.
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  Speaker 1: That would have made sense. But yeah, to just be like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm ignoring it, but I'm sweating is like but that.
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  Speaker 2: It's explicitly stated the opposite. That's not how that works.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's annoying.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry that line threw me. I was just like, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: that's not like, yeah, unless that's how Avienda thinks it works.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's that's the line I would get away with,
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  Speaker 2: is if you said, Avienda thinks it only works until
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  Speaker 2: you need to sweat, and then she's letting herself sweat.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and and that's a perfectly valid argument because it
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  Speaker 1: is a deeply psychological trick. So however it works for
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  Speaker 1: you is however it works for you, And that's a fact.
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  Speaker 2: But we just see over and over and over again.
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  Speaker 2: I said, I not sweating no matter how hard they work, right, like,
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  Speaker 2: and it's mental concentration, if their mental concentration breaks the sweat,
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  Speaker 2: but there's nothing physical that.
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  Speaker 1: Can make them sweat, right, And it would have made
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  Speaker 1: so much sense for her to be like, no, like,
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  Speaker 1: it's silly to ignore heat when you're working your body.
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  Speaker 1: It's exactly because I'm an I yeal and I know
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  Speaker 1: about my body.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if she had been like, oh, I was ignoring
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  Speaker 2: the heat until I started working out, and then I
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  Speaker 2: let myself sweat, right.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Because I could feel my livers starting to like seize up,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: because right, yeah, yeah, exactly. And then she does another
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: loop and and then she comes back to the guards
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: and the one guy's like, you really don't look good,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: and I just want to read the whole bubble of bubble.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's so good.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Brandon likes his Bubbles of Evil.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: I will say, you know, for all the complaining I've
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: done about the character work, his magic work, his world
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: building is so fucking good, and his writing of the
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Bubbles of Evil is so fucking good. It really does
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: redeem everything about this chapter. And it's one of the
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: cooler bubbles of evil.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Absolutely nodding, all right. The man reached up, suddenly, scratching
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: at the skin of his temples. His eyes rolled up
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: in his head, and his fingers tore gashes in his flesh.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Only instead of blood, the wounds spat out a black,
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: charcoal like substance. Aveander could feel the intense heat even
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: from a distance. The other guard gaped in horror as
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: his friend ripped lines of black fire on the sides
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: of his head. A blackish tar oozed out, boiling and hissing.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: The man's clothing burst into flames, and his flesh shriveled
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: from the heat. He didn't utter a sound. Avianda shrugged
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: off her shock, immediately weaving air in a simple pattern
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: to pull the unaffected guard to safety. His friend was
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: now just a pulsing mound of black tar, which in
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: places sprouted blackened bones. There was no skull. The heat
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: was so strong that Avianda had to back away, pulling
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: the guard with her. Where we're being attacked, the man whispered,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: channelers No, Avianda said, this is something far more evil.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Run for help. He seemed too shocked to move, but
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: she shoved him into motion, and he began to move.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: The tar itself didn't seem to be spreading, which was
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: a blessing, but it had already ignited the door frame
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: of the manner it could have the entire building in
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: flames before anyone inside was aware of the danger. Avianda
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: wove air and water, intending to extinguish the flame. However,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: her weaves frazzled and wavered when they got near the fire.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: They didn't unweave, but this fire somehow resisted them. She
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: took another step back from the awesome burning intensity. Her
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: brow prickled with sweat, and she had to raise her
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: arm to shade her face from the heat. She could
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: barely make out the black char at the center as
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: it began to glow with the deep red and white
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: of extremely hot coals. Soon only hints of the black remained.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: The fire spread across the front wall of the building.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Aviander heard screams from inside. Aviander shook herself, then growled
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: in wove earth and air, pulling chunks of the ground
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: up around her. She hurled these at the fire, seeking
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: to smother it. Her weave could not draw the heat out,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: but that did not stop her from using weaves to
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: cast items into the fire. Chunks of grass covered earth
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: sizzled and hissed, wan blades flashing to ash before the
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: incredible heat. Avianda continued to work, sweating from both the
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: exertion and the temperature. In the distance, she heard people,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: perhaps the guard among them, calling for buckets. Buckets. Of course,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: in the threefold land, water was far too valuable to
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: use in fighting fires. Dirt or sand was used, but
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: here they would use water. Avianda took several steps backward,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: searching out the curling river that ran beside the manner.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: She could just barely make out its surface, reflecting the
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: dancing reds and oranges of the flames. Already the entire
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: front of the Manner was a flame. She felt channeling
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: from inside eyes to die or wise ones hopefully they
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: would escape out the back of the building. The fire
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: had engulfed the in our hallway, and the rooms off
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: of it had no doors. Out Avianda wove a massive
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: column of air and water, pulling a spout of crystalline
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: liquid from the river and drawing it toward her. The
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: column of water undulated in the air like that creature
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: on Rand's banner, A glassy serpentine dragon that slammed against
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: the steam hissed outward in an explosion, washing over her.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: The heat was powerful, and the wave of steam scalded
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: her skin, but she did not back down. She pulled
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: more water, hurling a thick column of it at the
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: darkened mound, which she could only just make out through
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: the steam. That heat was so intense. Alvianda stumbled backward
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: a few steps, gritting her teeth, continuing to work. Then
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: there was a sudden explosion as another column of water
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: burst from the river and slammed into the fire. This,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: along with her own, diverted nearly the entire flow of
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: the river. Alvianda blinked. The other column was being directed
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: by weaves she could not see, but she did notice
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: a figure standing in a window up on the second
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: floor hand forward face, concentrating intensely Naefe, one of RAN's ashamon.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: It was said he was particularly strong with air. The
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: fires had retreated, only the tarry mound remained radiating a
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: powerful heat. The wall near it in the entryway inside
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: had become a gaping, blackened hoole. Avianda continued to pull
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: water and dump it on the charred black mass, though
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: she was beginning to feel extremely tired. Handling so much
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: water required her to channel almost to her capacity. Soon
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: the water stopped hissing. Avianda slacked her floe, then let
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: it dribble to a stop. The ground around her was
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: a wet, blackened disarray that smelt heavily of soggy ash.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Bits of wood and char floated in the muddy water,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: and the holes where she had ripped up earth were
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: filled making pools. She walked forward, hesitantly, inspecting the lump
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: that was the remains of the unfortunate soldier. It was
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: glassy and black, like obsidian, and it sparkled wetly. She
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: picked up a length of singed wood, broken from the
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: wall by the force of her water column, and poked
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: at the mass. It was hard and firm, burn you
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: a voice bellowed. Avianda looked up ran a thor strode
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: through the broken hole that now formed the front of
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: the mansion. He stared at the sky, shaking his fist.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: I am the one you want. You will have your
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: war soon enough, and that is the dear okay, sweet cover.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Angry man yells at clouds.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Yep, man yells at cloud while a woman tries to
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: calm him.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: The down. It's such a funny moment, oh.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: I just it's such an intense, scary, fast moving water
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: bending Like what is happening?
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: This cool stuff going on with like men and women
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: working together with the channeling right to divert the whole
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: river combo with like what is that the la fire
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: is coming through? Like what the she tries to use
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: channeling directly on the fire and it resists. And it's
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: not resisting in the way that Matt's medallion because it's
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: not unweaving the weaves.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the weaves just cease to me anything.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: The closer they get.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: It feels to me a little tell around read right
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: that you've got this where like it resists because it's
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: from It's like the fire is from another reality and
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: so channeling from this reality doesn't seem to like affect
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: it as much.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Ah. I like that because the best I could think
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: was that it was like almost like a nuclear waste
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: kind of thing, you know, and like somehow the sheer
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: energy of it like actually overrides channeling. But like obviously
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: no one's getting radiation burns from it or anything like,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: so it's not literally that. But I was like trying
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: to figure out, like what metaphysics are we doing, because yeah,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: it's not It's explicitly not Mats Medallion, though the same
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: strategy works, right, Lessons learned from Mats Medallion, yes apply here.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Throw shit at it instead of us channeling directly on it.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like physics is still going to apply even if
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: magic doesn't. But yeah, why does it not respond? I
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: like the idea that it's actually slightly out of phase
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: with reality and so something as sise as magic can't
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: work on it. You can hit it with water because
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: it's setting a building on fire, right, you can work
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: with the four basic elements, but not with like, you know,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: the magic elements.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And if you think about, like, it's not
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: from our reality and what is our reality? Right, Like
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Sidine and sidar are the forces that turn the wheel
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: of time, right, those are the things that our most are.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: You know, this world, this reality is the magic power.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: So if something's kind of out of this reality, it
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: makes sense that maybe the magic wouldn't affect it as
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: much because it's from another you know. Yeah, to bring
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: up a marvel thing, you know, it's an infinity stone
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: from a different universe, it doesn't work very well in
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: this one. Sure, So that's the best I can come
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: up with. Why the magic wasn't working directly on it
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: is like because it's the dark one, because it's not
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: from this reality, because it's not affected by sideine in
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: sidar that drive our reality in the same way, in
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: the same way that sidein and Sidar don't work in
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: the settings because they're from a different reality.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Right right, Yeah, No, I like that. I like that
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: somewhere between Tel Iron Real and the Dark Ones Prison,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: we've got plenty of latitude, and your your pet theory
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: that the two are one and the same really works
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: well with that explanation.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you end up with this, you know
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: what they call the elephant's foot. I think someone uh
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: yeah from Chernobyl, right, someone as I said that, and
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, that's that's It's.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Just that's what I envisioned it as very much. So
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: it's exactly the elephant's foot is like, I don't know
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: that normal channeling would work on the elephants, But I
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: don't know that you could deal with Chernobyl with just
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: regular garden variety channeling.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: But apparently a river's worth of water does the trick.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Which is a lot.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Of water, I mean, and it's it's more of a
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: creek than a you know, will lamb atte river.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Sure, sure, but it's still.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: It's a lot of water. It's a lot of water.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: The lawn is not going to be the same after
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: all of that eerative power. I mean, the poor lord
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: is sitting off in the corner being like, uh, I
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: don't know if my insurance is going to cover this, like.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: A good neighbor. Shit, I'm in Randland. How did I
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: get here? I didn't think we had insurances? Right exactly
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: this Tellson dude or whatever. Yeah, Yeah, we've seen him
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: mentioned a couple of times before and he's like, my house,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: what have you done?
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: He's like, well, he hosted the dragon Reborn for more
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: than five minutes.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that's not a good idea.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: It happens, and yeah, Rand kind of has a bit
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: of a yelling at Cloud's moment about it that Avianda
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: has like snap him out of, like it's just it's
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: a bad afternoon, you know, things are just escalating at
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: this point. You have a man screaming at the sky
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: out of the blackened front hole of the house.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: It's a lot, it's a lot. Oh.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: And then here's this, so Avianda's talking to a Era
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Demani soldier who's like, wow, is this a normal day
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: at the office here, And she's like yeah, basically, And
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: he's like, I didn't think that was a thing that
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: could really happen. And she says a lovely line which
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: is not all stories are EXAs, which is just a
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: fantastic little piece of addition to the commentary about legends
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: fade to myth, but not all stories or exaggerations.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Sometimes somewhere truth.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Is stranger than fiction. It's actually a fact. But then
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: we get a Brandon Sanderson typo where he says pockets
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: of evil it is bubbles, seriously, yep, yep. But Sheer's
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: officers began calling orders, organizing them men to clean up
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: would Rand move out of the manner. Now, when pockets
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: of evil appeared, people often wanted to leave. No pockets,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: they're bubbles of evil. They're bubbles. You're incorrect, sir. I
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: have crossed the word pockets out and written bubbles in
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: my book, so that that's a Sanderson and acronism.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: I've never heard pockets of evil anywhere else that I
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: can remember.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, displeasing.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: And then Melane folds her arms beneath her breasts reference
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: we got a ding.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: We gotta oh, no, okay, we gotta bring Malane into
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: the scene. We gotta bring million into the scene. So
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Avianda is cleaning up, because not only did she save
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: the day, she now has to do the brute force
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: of cleaning up. And then an Isidye comes by and
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: sniffs at her and says, ooh, you could have been
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: an ice to die by. Now we're so much better
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: than you. And then Melane comes by and sniffs harder
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: and folds her breasts under, folds her arms under her
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: breast more thoroughly, and shees the eyes to die off
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: and gives off the end of the compliments that she's
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: supposed to be hearing. More than the punishments.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: That's also like she learned from Alane. She's her weaves
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: are smooth as fuck, right, Like.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: I know the isodi is being such a pedantic little shits.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: She's yeah, it's so oh my god. And it's it's
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: just because the Isidye have a superiority complex. But it
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: is nice confirmation, you know, the Isidye looking at her,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: going like you'd be an is to die by now
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: if you existed in our schema, Like you should probably
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: stop treating yourself as anything less than your cultural equivalent
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: of an ice to die, right. Yeah, And and Melane,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: I've been saying that we get a time stamp across
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: the last battle of Melaye's pregnancy. We can kind of
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: track sort of the timeline she is just beginning to show.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: That's where she's at and her pregnancy.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: So five months, six months.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Something like that. I mean, it all depends on the woman.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: But like you know, she's in the half wayish zone
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: on her pregnancy and still strutting around like she's a
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: normal ideo person. She's not like doing the pregnant ieo
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: wattle yet, which they do about you know, three seconds
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: before giving birth according to the TV show.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: So Maline gives all these compliments and says, but you
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: still refuse to learn, and it's like okay, okay, Yeah.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: They have a great conversation, and then Maline is just like,
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: can I beat you over the head with a neon
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: sign harder? And Avianda's like, yes, mistress, may I have another? Like,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: oh my god, that's not the answer we wanted, Avianda.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Maline's trying so hard.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Avianda also comes to the fact that what you call
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: a thing is important, which is, you know, language matters,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: and controlling language and political situations can really change outcomes.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the to die reality that the wise ones
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: have mastered, which is that it is not a lie
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: if two things are true.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, right. It's not exactly lying by omission, but it's
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: the other kind of lying. It's lying by saying something
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: that is true while not saying something else that's also true.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Right exactly, which is why you have to listen very
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: closely when people tell you things and they want you
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: to rush to a conclusion without thinking critically.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: We get a little bit of whether they talk about
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: how much work they've been doing in the background to
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: make sure that all the clan chiefs stay united against
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: rand right, Like the Wise Ones are smoothing over all
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: the insults and trying to make sure the blood feuds
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: that were set aside stay set aside and all that
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff, which again feels like a reversion because
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: that was an issue in like book three and four,
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: and then we've been in the Wetlands for all this
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: time without issues. It seems like the clans have come
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: together in a way that like, and I know we're
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: only a year or two into them crossing the Dragon Spine,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: but again, this feels like something that we dealt with
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: in the books.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: I disagree in the sense that it felt to me
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: like a good fourth wall breaking of Sanderson saying, we've
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: been ignoring this the whole time. We've been assuming that
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: the Iyeal just had one revelatory afternoon and set aside
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: all of their history and all of their individuality, and
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: that's not actually what's been happening. And let's if we
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: actually pop the hood on this and think about it.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: The Wise Ones actually have been doing a lot of work,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: And that was more how I read it.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, they've been doing work, but also like
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: the clans she used to working together, they're like these
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: these groups are working together across clans and society, right, like.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, I don't know. I like the
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: idea that we've been skirting past the ideal's complexity and
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: ignoring the fact that they are, you know, eleven different
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: groups of people with you know, umpteen subgroups within them, and.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: It is a little bit you know, yeah, but we
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: also don't get any more of it, right, there's no
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: way well, yeah, and all this work and then they
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: just act as united front and the rest of the books,
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: There is that. There is that. I'm not saying he's
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: a perfect execution, but that was my interpretation was it
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: was Brandon Sanderson saying, we have been maybe as the
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: audience taking the ideo for granted a bit much.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: But Ran continues to do so. He continues to go
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: to the wise one, tell them what he wants, and
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: they continue to make it happen for him. Yeah, for
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: the rest of the ideal. So thanks for bringing up
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: the point, but you're not doing anything with it, so
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: don't give a shit.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: But that is very emblematic of how a lot of
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: the writing has been going so far. So I still
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: think I'm right, even if it is unsatisfying because that
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: fits with the other unsatisfying things that we've been observing. Yes,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: we get a nice little foreshadowing about her looking towards
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: the future. Why could not just think about the now tomorrow?
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: She had to think of the years ahead and the
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: times that would be brought upon the winds. I feel
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: like that was him say, like an Avianda might get
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: you know, a capitol W wind vision of the future,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: because you know she does.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Which also very much if you understand storm Light Archive,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: that is also very much a storm Light Archive reference
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: the wind being a thing.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Right, like, well, that's got to be a hat tip
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: to his favorite author, Robert Jordan.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean this last book was called Wind
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: and Truth, like that was the title of book five, right,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: the Wind and the Truth, right, and the wind is
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: a god, like the world has three ancient gods wind
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: night and fuck? What's the third one?
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: I like, fuck, that seems like.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: No, that sounds like, yeah, what were the three gods?
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Wind Night and huh?
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: You could look it up?
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I could. Don't do that really quick because.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: I'm being it will bother you for the rest of
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: however long we're on here, so you might as well
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: look it up.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Rock Stone, Stone, Windstone, and uh night were the three gods,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: and wind being one of the gods, and like and
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: in in this in his last book spoilers and it's like, yeah,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: it's hard to be like, Okay, that's clearly a reference
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: to a wind rose in the Mountains of whatever. It's
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: hard not to be like, yeah, you're taking that and
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: adapting it bake time because the storm light right, The
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: whole point is like the storm is a god and
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: storm kind of used to be or contains wind, right,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: and wind is the old god and new god is
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: the storm like that. Yeah, I mean it's very well done.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: But yeah, the wind being a personified god in him
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: in his world, it makes a lot of sense. And
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: then sort of the reference here of capital W wind
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: nice nice.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: I Also, as we get towards here, towards the Rita,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: there's this part where she's thinking about beds, you know,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: and beds of wetlanders and how had she ever let
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Elaine convince her to sleep in those soft feathered death traps.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: I'm like lesbians, lespians. The fact that you and Eleine
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: are sleeping together is how Elaine convinced you to come
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: to bed. Yeah, yeah, is you didn't want to get
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: up after you fucked her. You wanted to cuddling, Yeah,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: post coital cuddling. Why he slept in those pots?
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: And and then she has very straight thoughts about Rand,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: of course, you know, because she definitely it doesn't like
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: obvious or laying that way like for sure, for sure.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: The fact that she immediately switches to thinking it Rand
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: just means she's a bisexual disaster, that's all that.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: That means she thinks about things about Elaine that gets
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: her horny, and she's like, wait, if I'm horny, I
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: should be thinking about Rand.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Exactly, exactly exactly. Yeah, So just had to put that
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: little little thing in there. Sanderson is, however, unintentionally on
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: the lesbians plot line, on the bisexual plot line. They're
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: not lesbians except with each other, but they both in
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: love with Rand, so they're both bisexual disasters.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's canonically putting a lot more non straight
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: relationships in his books and doing a lot.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: To it, like he is, right, So he was taking
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Jordan's baton and running with it.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, He's obviously made an effort, especially in his
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: last books, to include non straight relationships and make them
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: explicit and make them, make that not what the characters
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: are all about. Right, He's doing that right to the
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: best of my understanding. Again, a little formulaic because it's
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: Sanderson and everything he does is a little formulaic, but
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: he is actually taking non straight relationships, putting them in
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: his books and making the character's storyline not just about
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: the relationship.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: We love to see a man passing the bar in
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: the basement. Yeah, he's a little bit, but I mean,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: given who he is and where he's coming from, that
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: is that is an accomplishment that we can we can have.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Does it feel supernatural? No? No, not really.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we all have our limitations, so yeah, I don't.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: We haven't really recorded for that many minutes, truly, it's
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: only been forty minutes.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: But Read Out, Guys, is just going to be It's
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: a short chapter. It's a you know, probably could have
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: combined this one with the last one, but we didn't
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: plan for it. So this is going to be two
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: short episodes.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: I thought we were going to like spend more time
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: on the bubble itself. But that's the thing about really
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: good action sequences, is there they are.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like that was the bubble.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very cool. It was elephants footash and yeah,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I read it.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: It was cool And I love her using the combination
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: of air pressure and physics instinctively to create the funnel
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: that causes the Like we can talk a lot about
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: exactly how that worked, but I think it's just pretty
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: self explanatory.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Melane compliments her on it. She was like, hey, you
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: clearly understand the concept of like pressure and torque and stuff.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Really yeah, but it's like, yeah, you have good mechanical
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: intelligence even if you don't know what you're doing in
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: a physics sense.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like I can throw a ball and hit
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: a target without understanding gravity and you know, the mechanics
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: of my arm and physics and like I don't have
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: to know the math to throw the ball to hit
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: the target.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: But it is. It is a good demotration of her
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: thinking that she didn't try to like move buckets of
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: water at a time with the power. Yeah, she just
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: moved the whole creek. Like there's a certain amount of
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: like flexible creative thinking totally totally you know. Again, suggests
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: that maybe she's ready to graduate from college and just
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: like have her PhD already.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Which is the point of this chapter is to be
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: like show her as a incredibly competent person and then
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: say go go, you know, pound sand or move rocks
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: or whatever it is.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and they're gonna move her pretty soon to
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: something where she doesn't even get physical exertion, because that's
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: like good for the for the mind to get to
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: use your body and good for your body, right, exactly exactly,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: And like I know she was like really making this
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: one a proper workout, yeah right, because she's so angry
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: she just wants to stab something and like all that,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: and like then they don't actually get her to break
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: until they have her doing the drops of water finger
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: by finger, Like it has to be that level of
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: useless before she actually realizes what they're doing.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Plus, we need men's influence to break her out of
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: her normal habits of thought and her normal cycles.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Of thought, right, and also to get them to talk
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: in a way that will require further conversations, because she's like,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to really go thank men for kicking
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: my ass and a gear about that, so you know
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: that there's a conversation that will happen, and like they
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: will have the opportunity to have a friendship. But yeah,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: for now, uh, I gotta read it for us. Oh,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: and Avienda Mullayne called, we will discuss your punishment tomorrow.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: She turned in shock for not finishing with the stones,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Molayne said, surveying the wreckage again, and for not learning
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: quickly enough go Alvianda side. Another round of questions and
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: another undeserved punishment. There was a correlation of some sort,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: but what she was too exhausted to think about it.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: For now, all she wanted was her bed, and she
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: found herself treacherously recalling the soft, luxurious mattresses back in
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: the Palace of Camlin. She forced those thoughts out of
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: her mind. Sleep that soundly muffled and pillows and down comforters,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: and you'd be too relaxed to wake if someone tried
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: to kill you in the night. How had she let
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Elaine convince her to sleep in one of those soft,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: feathered death traps. Another thought occurred to her as she
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: pushed that one away, A treacherous one, the thought of
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: randolphor resting in his room. She could go to him, No,
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: not until she had her honor back. She would not
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: go to him as a beggar. She would go to
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: him as a woman of honor, assuming she could ever
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: figure out what she was doing wrong. She shook her
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: head and trotted toward the Ayeal camp at the side
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: of the green.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: And next time we come back, there's a bit of
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: a like a month time jump, right, So this is
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: where we start to see time differences and things start
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: to get out of sync because Agwayne has this month
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: time jump and I'm not sure we get that with
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: everybody else.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not clear on it, but it definitely is
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: a really big time jump for this late in the series.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's this is one of the really big
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: cracks in the glacier in the you know edge as
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: you climb up onto the glacier. This is one of
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: the big cracks. It's it's getting bad. We're just starting
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: to get into real bad, wibble wobbly timiness, and that's
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: that's what this time jump is. Moving on to the
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: next chapter. But for this, for today, that was fun.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: But I do think that month though, is catching us
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: up because I think her timeline is behind everybody else.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, for sure, and there's a lot, you
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: know that has to get done there. We definitely cannot
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: do that today because that's a long, complicated, plot heavy
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: chapter with not a lot of looping. Right, these two
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: chapters that we did today, particularly this one, very very loopy,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: but agwain next week not so much. And yeah, you
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: said that you won't be recording the week after that,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: but that's what we did to today, yep. And yeah,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: just because this is another recording, the live ones will
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: hear this twice. But just because this is a recording,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I want to say, remember that there is a support
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: group on Thursdays that you can find on our website.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: There is a link in the show notes where if
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: you have any kind of neurodivergent curiosity in peer support
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: group work where we just kind of talk about our
• 43:44
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• 43:47
  Speaker 1: register and we will see you there most Thursdays. I
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: feel like I need to get used to saying that, sure, no,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: So much for joining us once again for another chapter
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: of Brandon Sanderson's Wheel of Time. Look forward to uh
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: being an old man yelling at clouds for the next
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: three books.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I am enjoying it. There's there's it's a fun mix
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: of I love this, I hate this. I love this.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: I hate right, Yeah, it really is. It's my got
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: because I'm like, uh, this is terrible. Love the bubble
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: of evil, hate the way he treats this character in
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: this chapter. Yeah, it's it's I.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Hope people like what we have to say. I hope
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: it's not too bitter and turning offee for people.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's not. I want to say again and again,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: I really appreciate what Sanderson did. He took on an
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: incredibly difficult project and did a very good job of it.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Going back in retrospect, can I see a few places
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: where like it wasn't ideal? Yeah, so can he. But
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: he's not going to rewrite it. I'm not going to
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: rewrite it. We can appreciate the ending for what it is.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: But I already got one comment that was like, hey,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: I really appreciated ses rant about Sanderson because it articulated
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: some things I've been feeling, right, Like, it's not necessarily
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: against him, but like he is writing in a certain
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: way that is more accessible than Robert Jordan wrote. Being
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: more accessible means it's also simpler, and you can debate
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: the value in that simplicity and the way he communicates
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: and the way he repeats things. I think it's made
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: him way more popular than Robert Jordan, but it makes
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: his books less rereadable to me and less interesting because
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: there's less to discover because he tells you everything. It's
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: all explicit. Yeah, you read it the first time, it's
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: for me. My best comparison is M Night Shamalan Love
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: M Night Shamalan movies. The first time I watch them,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: really like them the second time I watch them when
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: I know what the plot twist. Is no interest whatsoever
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: in watching them a third time because I know what
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: all plot twists are. I've seen how they affect the characters.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: I'm done, Jordan. You discover new things every time you read,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: and it changes your perspective every single time because he
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: doesn't get to the end and tell you everything about
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: the characters. And that's where I think the value of
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: the reread is with Jordan, with the lack of explicit
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: calling out of what he's trying to say.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm nodding, and we'll.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Talk about looping. I've said that rant a bunch of times.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: I've looped on that rant a couple of times. I
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: don't think there's anything new in there, but it's just
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: interesting to really get into it and see the different styles. Yeah.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: No, and I mean people definitely like looping is part
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: of how we create our rants and our stories, and
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: we like workshop things like it's it's part of the
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: human experience. It's just sometimes people get very disregulated by
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: it and don't know how to break out of it.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: And I see Sanderson's Book one of this particular trilogy
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: really falling prey to that a lot.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: And especially because I feel like Book one, he's very
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: much trying to establish these characters. He loops on stuff
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: that's already happened, yeah, in the series, and he's kind
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: of rewriting it in his own words. And then we
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: get to move beyond that. But he really does have
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: to rewrite a bunch of stuff that's our happened in
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: his own words, and it's a place where I wish
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: the editing was a little bit better, a little more severe.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And that is why we're having shorter run times
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: on these episodes.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: We really are well and unless is happening in a chapter,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: it's the chapters are centered around one event or one
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: particular thing. Sometimes there's a b plot, but Jordan often
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: had an a plot that involved two or three things,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: as well as a B and a C plot that
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: had two or three things and they were interacting in
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: interesting ways. Here there's an A plot, maybe a B plot,
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: and we talk about the A plot, we talk about
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: the B plot, we talk about where they interact, and
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: we're done. It's three things. And if you have A,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: B and C and the interactions between the three of those,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the number of interactions grows exponentially
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: in a way that's like doesn't make sense for the
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: words on the.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Page, right right, Yeah, Yeah, the signal to noise ratio
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: is changing in pleasant ways. Yeah, so we have less
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: to say. We really could have combined those chapters. I
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: did not expect them to be.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: So short, but we could have.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Yes, oh wow, people can just deal, you.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Know, getting two shorter episodes. Sorry, it's either that or
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: a break.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Basically, basically we can we can what what like
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: interesting like books or shows have you read recently?
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: We can just we can just Okay, we want to
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: go off on that. Okay, so here's here's my my
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go off on this. Robin Hobb is an
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: amazing author. Going back, I'm reading book three of her
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: original trilogy. There's so much more to it than I
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: remember the first half of that book. I do not.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: I barely remembered it. Really good stuff. Robin Hobb is
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: an underrated author when it comes to fantasy and the longer.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: I've always been a fan of Robin Hobb, but I
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: had to get beyond a certain age before I could
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: appreciate it. I think there's more life lessons in there
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: about what the meaning of life and the struggle with
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: failure right that I don't think I could have appreciated
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: as a teenager. Right Because Sam, the Robert Jordan, the
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: good guys are going to win. Those are gonna be sacrifices.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: They're gonna be hard things, but for the most part,
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: they're gonna win and they're gonna have good lives. Right.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Robin Hobb really makes me feel like, you know what,
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: the good guys are gonna win, but they're gonna sacrifice
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: everything to make it happen, and their lives are gonna suck.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: And for me, that rings so much more honest with
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: modern life is like, yeah, you can achieve your dreams,
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: but there's gonna it's gonna leave scars and those scars
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: are going. There is no healing, right, there is no
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, that scar that you got is you know,
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: completely healed, and now we can move on like it
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: hasn't happened. Every bad thing that happens to Robin Hobbes's
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: characters affects them, changes them, and affects their psyche from
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: then on, right, Like, bad shit happens to her characters
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: and they change because of it, and she writes that
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: so fucking well, and I want to do it New
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Reader podcast with you. I think that is, Honestly, it's
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: the best written material that I have discovered that that
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: holds up than any honestly, Like I put Robin hobb
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: as a second, better than Martin, better than you know Rothfuss. Right,
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: her writing, her writing is more beautiful. Her prose is
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: really good, her plot is good, her world building is good,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: her characters are good. The only thing I'll say is
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: that some of her later books are get a little
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: wandery in terms of world building, right, Like she kind
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: of some of the later books. I'm like, okay, I could,
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: I could. Let's get to the point already, But that's
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: really a first impression. I need to go back and
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: study those a little bit better because these first her
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: first trilogy is so good, it's so good, and I
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: know her second trilogy is better than the first. I
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: don't think I was a big a fan of the
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: third trilogy, but looking back, I think that might have
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: been me, you know, and so and then the fourth
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: and the fifth trilogy. Really, you know, we talked about
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: how authors do change, and like it's there. Their later
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: books are written by a different person than the first books.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: The later books are clearly written by a different person
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: than wrote the original couple of trilogies because she's older, right,
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: It's decades have gone by in that time. So but
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: I think they are an excellent conclusion to the series. Right,
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I and and I honestly, the other thing
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: I want to emphasize is Robin hobb Is. I've noticed
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: become very popular among book talk, right, Like Robin hobb
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: Is being rediscovered by fantasy readers. Well, it's being recommended
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: as people who are like, Okay, I've read you know,
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: I got into the Harry Potter and I and I've
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: read a lot of people are like, oh I did
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Harry Potter. Now I've read this Sanderson guy. Because he's
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: super popular, and I like his stuff, and I want
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: to get into the fantasy genre. Wheel of time feels intimidating.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: What can I go back and read that isn't going
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: to be misogynist, stick and crappy because it was written
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: in the nineties, and it's like, go back and look
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: at the female authors. Who was the best female author
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: writing fantasy back then? I think it was Robin hop Yeah.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: And if you disagree with that, you can listen to
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: our episode about with with Kay Elliott, where there is
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: a bazillion references to other authors. If Robin hob is
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: not your cup of tea, dear audience, there's there's a
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: I have an episode of another podcast where we just
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: did nothing but list authors that are in that same
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: genre of like, oh right, you want to keep going
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: into this, into this, let's go now. I think I
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: think that you and I could have an interesting dynamic
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: for a first time reader podcast.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: I do too, and and and I think first time
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: reader podcasts are more popular than spoiler reader podcasts because
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: you don't have to finish the series to get into
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: a new reader podcast.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, No, they definitely. It's it does seem
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: like a cool vibe. I would actually enjoy being part
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: of that just on general principle, and I.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Think of all of our ideas, that's the one that
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: I'm most enthusiastic about actually bringing in new listeners but
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: also fitting within our wheelhouse.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm hmm.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: And also it's something that hasn't been done a lot.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: There's not a lot of fits in the full podcast
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: out there.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: I would definitely like to do that, bring a podcast
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: to something that doesn't have a lot of podcasts. Well,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: once you're settled and moved and like the spring like
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: vibes are starting to make us feel a little manic,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: maybe we can talk about launching another reason to get
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: together and talk about stuff, because that would be fun.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: The latest fiction book I read I finally finished the
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Wool trilogy that Silo was based on. I had stalled
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: out and I finally finished the last book, and that
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: ending fucking slapped.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: I read Book, the first book in that series. I think,
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: I don't think I read beyond that.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I read the first two and then stalled out,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: and then I recently got into the third and like
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: sort of fits and start to manage to finally get
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: through it, and I did not expect such a depressing
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: book to have such a satisfying conclusion. I won't say
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: anything else, but it was like I was not expecting
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: that much hope from most series that spent that much
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: time on depression. But okay, or paranoia really.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that's on my to read list for sure. Yeah,
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: but I'm so into Robin how right now. I'm gonna
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: be hard. I'm gonna have to get through her whole
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: catalog before I go into anything else.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: And mostly I've been on a nonfiction bender, like yeah,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: you mentioned that. And the last one I read, well
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: partially read, because I got it as an audiobook form
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: the library and they take those back after six weeks
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: and i'd only gotten like halfway through it. But the
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: latest book I was reading was an immense World by
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: Ed Yong, and it's all about animal senses and it's
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: so freaking fascinating. It's so so cool, Like he actually
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: does a decent job of helping you understand how much
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: you don't understand how these other senses work. Like he's
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: just an amazing writer at getting you into the head
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: of a creature that is definitionally not you, Like how's
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: a fruit fly? Experience the world like he actually like
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: makes it something you can follow along with and viscerally understand.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Really really good book. I'm very excited to get it
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: back from the library so that I can continue listening
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: to it. But I have to like wait, you know,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: my turn and the go around of holds, because lots
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: of people want to listen to it apparently. But yeah,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: I got that recommendation from Ali, and I've already passed
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: it on to my dad, who's really really into it
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: because like he was just telling me the other day
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: that he doesn't really understand the sense of smell super
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: well because he's been congested most of his life and
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: just like for him, like smell is a very like
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: it's the last sense he thinks about, and he doesn't
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: really experience much of the world through it, but like
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: every now and then, you know, it's part of what
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: he likes Scarlet so much. And so he said he
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: read this chapter on smell twice before he continued, because
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: because and that was why I sent it to him,
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: was I was like, this would be a way for
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: you to like actually understcause like this guy's trying to
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: explain smell like a dog experiences it and like so
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: on and so forth, and it's just really really cool
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: and he's the narrator.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Never has a good friend who comes over her and
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: she has zero sense of smell. She like genetically has
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: lost it, just never had it. So yeah, a lot.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: I had a lot of questions for her, and it's like, yeah,
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: she really just has zero sense of smell.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: I know a guy who lost his sense of smell
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: because of like heavy metal exposure. Very much had a
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: sense of smell and then lost it and has not
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: been able to get it back.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, she says, like it's I mean, for her
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: cheek doesn't know the difference.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: But if she didn't have it ever, then that's different.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But also I can tell I'm like you don't
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: you know, you know, you meet some people and you're like, wow,
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: you're very skinny, and it's like yeah, probably because there's
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: like a there's no enthusiasm for food.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: Huh, right, because smell is so critical to taste, and like, yeah, yeah,
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: this guy I knew was really into texture. He really
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: put a lot of effort into making specific textures in
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: his food, because it says he had, you know, progressively
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: lost his sense of smell. And like was able to
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: off ramp to other ways of getting culinary satisfaction, but
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: without it in the first place, like that would be tough.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, that's wild.
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: And like she's like, I like food. I don't dislike food.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: But like you can tell this difference than someone who's like, yeah,
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: I like food and someone's just like, oh my god, food. Yeah,
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: it's a different mindset.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, I have a complicated relationship with food,
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: but fortunate, oh my god god, and taste are are
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: not really the main issues are not the problem areas
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: I have with food.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: I mean for me, I mean just you know, unlimited
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: tasty calories available at any time is a problem for me.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for me, it's the demand avoidance. I don't
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: want to eat because I have to eat, and so
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: then I end up spending hours being resentful and hungry
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: and it's like a double whammy on my spoons.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, yeah, it's.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: It's very complicated. But it has a lot to do
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: with demand avoidance rather than like the literal experience of eating.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: And I am grateful for that unless I'm traveling, in
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: which case eating is very very hard. But this year
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: for Walt Con, I'm just going to use hot sauce.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure hot sauce is the biohack I need
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: to make shot down because it's hard not to salivate
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: when you're consuming vinegar or spice like hot. It's just
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: that you will salivate and then food can go down
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: and you can make it work.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. My issue with food is more along the lines
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: of it's really easy to make frozen pizzas and so
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: for me and or you know, order food out and
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: have lots of leftovers or eat I you know, pint
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: of ice cream. You know, it's very easy to sit
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: down and over eat for me. But because I'm avoiding
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: the it takes effort to make good food.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Right, it does, it does. I've locked myself into a
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: life where I only have good food to make, and
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: I live in the country, so I can't order out.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: It's right, I've forced all of that out of the picture.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: Well, me and never were not necessarily the best together
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: because it's like, do you want to cook? No, do
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: you want to cook? Well, we got to eat order something, yeah, sure,
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: but at least I always one thing I do is
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: I never do delivery. I always go pick it up,
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: which is you know, way way cheaper than any sort
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: of delivery system. Yeah, like all those then you're just
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: paying for the price of the food that what the
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: restaurant charges as opposed to the price of the food
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: plus the markup plus a delivery charge plus a tip.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, Brandon and I are of the we can just
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: eat the same thing all the time. So we just
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: make the same extremely healthy, extremely affordable, extremely basic things
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: on like like loads and saying like nine easy meals
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: that you just rotate through and like.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: And we do have we do have some right Like
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying we eat out all the time, like
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: we do. I do a lot of cooking right like,
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: and so we have I make gluten free chicken nuggets basically,
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: and I make those in bulk and those go in
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: the freezer. I make chili and bulk that goes in
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: the freezer. And we do have a couple of meals
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: that's just like they're in the recipe book. Never says
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: I want this meal tonight, and that gets made, right Like,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: there's lots of meals like that that we have.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Brandon's much better at having like multiple things. I have
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: a few things I can cook, but he's like he
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: can make pizza, Like, you can make all this stuff.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: The biggest problem is never because she's gluten free. There's
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: so many things that were regulars for me. Pizza, no go, bread,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: no go, pasta, no go. Right, Like, there's just all
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: of these regular meals I used to make, and we
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: can still make gluten free pasta. But I can't make
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: homemade pasta. I can't make homemade bread, I can't make
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: homemade pizza crust. None of those work.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, gluten free Brandon's gotten so good at making all
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: those things. It's so great. I mean, new pasta is
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: kind of like the latest frontier that he really needs
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: to work on. But like, god, he's so good at
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: making dough. It's so great and I.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: So am I but she can't eat it.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: Well, that was a real failure on her part. She
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: should have planned that better.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: Now. I was really when we first met, I was
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: really getting into pasta making, and I was making all
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: sorts of tasty pasta and I was like, let me
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: make your pasta. She's like you no, because pasta is
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: basically I mean, it's pure. It's semoline a flower, which
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: is the gluten to gluteny of most gluten and egg.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my dad's in that position. He got together with
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: someone who in principle loves food but is allergic to
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: literally everything ever and can eat like lentils and steak
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: and like that's no, not even lentil. She can eat
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: one kind of It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. My dad can
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: cook so many things and he has been thrown the
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: hardest challenge ever. I mean, he's vegan, so like it's
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: you know, he's already in a weird space.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: That's also but she free is a hard comped.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: She wasn't vegan before because she didn't have the energy
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: to like figure out how to make that happen with
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: all her other food because she's got like autoimmune disorders
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: up the wazoo. So my dad is now like figuring
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: out how to make you know, very specific kinds of
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: beans into tempe like all this like nerd. But you know,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: he loves being a house husband and just like he
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: just works from home and cooks and he's so happy.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: I would love to be a house husband, but I
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: have to but I can't. I have to work.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if the working from a home part really is
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: critical to being able to do that.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're also hopefully you know, I'm in this
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: mindset that you know now, I will always be a drone, right,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: I'll be a worker B type person who likes to
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: do work, never is really good at managing people and
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: doing that sort of level of work. So in a
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: lot of ways, I think she has more earning potential
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: than I do, because she could be the manager or
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: a project manager or some sort of higher up person
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: in a big organization, Whereas I'm always going to be
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: paid the way a drone is paid, which is decently.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: And as I get older, you know, hopefully as I
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: get older and more experienced, like I will be a
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: subject matter expert and that will be good pay. But
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: I'm never going to be the kind of person who
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: brings in a lot of money. I will always make
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: a decent wage, and for now that's supporting us, right.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: But my hope is that eventually she becomes this management material,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: brings in the multiple, you know, hundreds of K a year,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: and I get to be stay at home dad, Right,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: That's that's my long term rule. And then and do
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: more podcast stuff and more writing and more. I want
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: this to be my stay at home work and I
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: want her to be and while I'm also taking care
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: of the kids and doing all the cooking and doing
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: all the cleaning.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: That's my goal in life, right, yeah, yeah, very much.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: So.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope that the podcast empire can expand and grow.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: It's a lot, I.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: Think the because I just you know, I'm looking at
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: new reader podcasts and new Reader the Gusts and the
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: Wheel Weaves, the you know, all those podcasts do so
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: well with new readers. And when people and I see people,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: I need a Wheel of Time podcast? Can you wreck?
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: Because I am starting these books for the first time?
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: Can you recommend something to me? Everyone says Wheel of
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: Time Spoilers is a great podcast, but I cannot recommend
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: it to you, right, And it just kills me to
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: see that online over and over and over again, where
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: people get recommended Wheel Weaves and those guys over us,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: not necessarily because it's better content, although it.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: Is, but are people also who are like I just
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: got to the end, and then people hop in say,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: well you got to go listen to what spoilers now?
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. But like, I really do
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: think that if we if we create the new reader
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: content for something like Robin Hobb. We can bring in
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: a lot of people because you can get the new
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: readers and the old readers.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: That would be fun.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: And I think it's gaining kind of popularity on well,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, TikTok, but you know it's going away.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: So but I do think there's a bit of a
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: discovery right now of Robin Hobb going on, because I
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: have a bunch of people coming to me being like, oh,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: I'm reading Robin Hobb for the first time.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Well, we should definitely look into that. Once you're settled
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: post move, I will hold off on reading it so
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: that way, if we do make that happen, I am
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: all ready to go. And no, well, and I'm spoiled.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: I'm doing a reread right now. Right I'm in the
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: middle of doing my reread, so that I want to
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: finish that before we start doing something. But yeah, I
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: don't know. I think that I think that we could
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: do a really cool I would love to hear your
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: opinions and your predictions and your you know, thoughts about
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: what's going on and what they're building towards and what
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: do you think is going to happen. And I want
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: to be able to give you, I said, eye answers
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: about all of that.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: I think you'd be great at at the gus Light's gaslighting,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: but with love, because first time we were dynamic, going
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: back to TV and book references as some men as,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: I asked if I've gotten further into for All Mankind,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: And yes I have. I've been steadily chewing through it.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: We are at episode nine of EP season four. I
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: think so shit is getting quite real in the season
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: four plot arc. Oh, yeah, I've been. I've been chewing
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: through it quite steadily. Brandon has been very into watching
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  Speaker 1: it with me and tolerating me watching it like basically
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  Speaker 1: every night, like one episode, just like chewing on through it.
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  Speaker 1: It's a very compelling story. I were yelling at the
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: soap opera drama of it all and trying to guess
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  Speaker 1: the plots. No, this person's gonna die. Then they're going
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: to sacrifice this.
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  Speaker 2: Now, our media consumption is mostly around action movies these days.
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  Speaker 2: We've been watching like the Predator movies, Oh fun and
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: the Alien Versus Predator. It's just like super Light because
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  Speaker 2: like we're just we're too busy, We're too busy to
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: get into another series right now. We finished Arcane. Never
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: loved Arcane. I don't think I've ever seen her love
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: a show as much as she loved Arcane. That's an
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: animated one, right, animated, not anime?
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, animated, Yeah, but yeah yeah. I tried watching
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  Speaker 1: it for like a few seconds. I was just like,
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  Speaker 1: I can't. Animation just really hurts my brain. I don't know.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: It just didn't catch me in five seconds. And so
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: you know, clearly it's bad TV, clearly. Yeah, nothing against it.
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  Speaker 1: It just it was like, this is not for me
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  Speaker 1: right now.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's and it's very much centered around a sister
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  Speaker 2: relationship and never sister is so is super important to
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  Speaker 2: her in her life, and so that like sort of
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  Speaker 2: dynamic was spoke to her on a deep level, and
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  Speaker 2: so I think that's what grabbed her right in the beginning,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: is the sister dynamic. And then that was enough to
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: grab her and then she was into it. So nice.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: All right, Well is that enough patting? Are we good? Yeah?
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: I'll just put in one last plug for my Sewing
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: Machine podcast. Hot Nuances officially on hiatus after being unofficially
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: on hiatus for many many months, but used to sew
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: as powering up a second season and I'm probably recording
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  Speaker 1: with her tomorrow, so I hope that some people come
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: check that out. You can listen to us ranting about
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: history and capitalism. It's a good time.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: And that Bitch is Always Late is gearing up for
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: a reboot with a different name and a different title,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: and they're probably going into reality TV. I think they're
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: probably just going to look at reality TV and talk
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: about it because that's something that they like to talk
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: about and watch and rather than just sort of bitching
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: about family members or random Reddit posts, they think that
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: that's like a good media content for them to really
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: dig into.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, you do need to find an audience. You
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: need a specific audience, and like, yeah, people who are
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: fans of a particular reality TV show or genre of
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: TV shows. Is probably better than random woman comments on
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: random posts online, Like that's not very targeted. You want
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: to be a little more niche than that.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: So but I'm glad they did what they did. Did
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: just sort of they needed to get their feet underneath
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: them and get the process and have episodes drop. And
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: there's a certain amount of experience that had to come
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: with that. And now they've taken a break, they've looked
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: at what they want to do. I'm hoping for a
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: slightly better technological setup as I've given her my old mic,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: and a slightly better content setup as they're going to
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: go into just reality TV stuff.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: Well so are they going to want to do like
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: a video podcast? No good, because I can't that's no good, excellent, awesome,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: Well cool. Maybe that'll also be a thing that once
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: you guys are post move and settled in and as
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: the spring energy is starting to get everyone jazzed about
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: gardening and stuff, we can get that going against. If
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: there's anything I can do to help with lighting fires
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: under asses, let me know.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think again, that's just we're so busy, excusing
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: we're so busy with the move that it's just taken
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: a back seat.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: So everything is, everything will be post move, and that's
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: totally cool because it is winter and we're not supposed
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: to be doing a million things in the winter. We're
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: supposed to be chilling the fuck out, So definitely. But yeah,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: first time Reader podcast and that bitch is always late reboot.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: As the flowers come back here in the Northern Hemisphere,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: you can look forward to that. In the meantime, we
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: will be continuing to make these episodes. Thank you all
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: for listening to whatever the hell this after show was.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: Hopefully the run time worked with your morning commute and
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: you didn't get left stranded three quarters of the way
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: they are with an hour less than an hour long episode.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that's all I got. Thank you for listening
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