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SANGUISUGABOGG: DEVIN SWANK ON LYRICS, DEATH METAL + HORROR · The Downbeat

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  What's up guys? Welcome back to the Downbeat
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  podcast. My guest this week is Devin
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  Swank of Ohio death metalers Sanguist Sugabog.
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  We talked in depth about his approach to songwriting lyrics,
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  the early days of the band taking inspiration from horror.
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  We talk about horror quite a lot.
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  We also talk about death metal quite a lot.
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  He's one of the most studied death metal is out there and we
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  really dug deep into some of our inspirations.
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  I'm a big death metal guy. Love it when a death metal band
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  comes on here. Can't believe their new album
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  is. It was probably one of my
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  favourites of last year. Unbelievable band.
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  downbeat. It's Devin Swank of Sangu Super
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  Bug on the Downbeat podcast. Devin Twank, Sanguestoga Bog.
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  That's right. Welcome.
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  How's it going man? Stoked to be here.
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  What? Are you doing in Nashville?
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  So my wife grew up in like Antioch area, so her family
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  lives in Mount Juliet. I frequent here quite often, got
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  friends and stuff out here. So yeah, try to see the family
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  as much as I can like before I go out on tour and here we are.
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  We have tried to do this for the last two months but it's never
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  worked out. I'm glad it's worked out.
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  Soon. Welcome, you got you catch pump
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  today. I did like right before coming
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  here fucking arms. It's Yep, Yep, had to.
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  I was doing doing dead hangs and then focus curls, hammer curls,
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  short ripped bench press. Specifically, just was arms on
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  the menu or did you do it for the pod?
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  I did it for the pod. I mean, you're looking fucking
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  phenomenally jacked. Oh yeah, I'm brutally frame
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  mugged. Absolutely insane.
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  Look at that shit. What a fucking legend.
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  You just come back from a tour. Yep, you're a first first Europe
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  headliner. It was sick.
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  How was it? Badass 13 out of 16 shows were
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  sold out. The other, the other three were
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  like damn close. Like we could have bought the
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  rest of the tickets, but that's cheating.
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  Yeah, that's. Yeah, I saw a video of
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  Manchester singing along with a riff.
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  Yeah, they do that all over the UK.
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  It's such a specifically UK thing.
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  Yeah, I love it. They did it to our abhorrent
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  contraception song, like the first thing we dropped at this
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  last record, and it was sick because Drew kept looking at me.
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  He was like, that's my riff, that's my riff.
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  So I was like, hell yeah, dude. We have it.
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  We stray had one song, Fortune Teller that be you'd know it was
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  a good show. If we kick into it and you can
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  hear them, it's such auk thing, like a louty, like a football
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  chant. That's Oh yeah, yeah.
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  Our way of saying like we really fuck with you.
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  Yeah, it's bad ass. Did you do Scotland on this run?
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  We did Glasgow. Did you get the Here We fucking
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  Go chant? Absolutely.
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  And then it's sick because like even in some of the areas like
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  Prague and all over Germany, I was surprised.
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  Like you know, English not being their first language over there,
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  they know like all the lyrics to a lot of our songs.
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  And I could see like the front row like singing with me.
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  And I'm just like, dude, this is unreal because like we've only,
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  we've only gone to Europe 3 * 4 times, including this time
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  without just supporting and to come out like now.
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  And it's like way bigger than ever before.
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  It's, it's crazy. And it's the shortest run that
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  we've ever done there. Too.
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  It was really short, yeah. Was that on purpose?
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  Absolutely, Yeah, Yeah, we had the Lamb of God tour.
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  Like, you know, I, I leave next week.
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  That's a. Fucking banger line up as well.
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  It's. Bad ass man.
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  Lamb of God. Kubla Khan.
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  Kubla Khan. Fit.
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  Fit Sam with Sugabag? Yep, maybe the heaviest tour of
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  the year. Like in terms of like big bands
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  bringing? Out.
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  Oh yeah, yeah, that's OK. Do you know the fit guys?
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  I do actually pretty well. I know blue the basis of course.
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  You do. He's like the oge fucking gore
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  grind guy. Oh, big time.
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  Yeah, I've known him. I've known him since before I
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  was even in Sing with Sugabag. You mentioned that before the
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  cameras were on. What bands were you in before
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  the bog? Is the bog proper shorthand, by
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  the way? Yeah, yeah, The Bog.
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  I would start bands like growing up and it wouldn't really like
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  go too far anywhere. And then the one band that I
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  kind of like walked into was like, you know, the band I was
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  telling her about called Limb Splitter.
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  It was in Cleveland and we were a very like underground, brutal
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  death metal like trope kind of band.
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  And it was weird. Like in our circuit in Ohio, you
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  know, there's a lot of like quote UN quote legacy bands,
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  like bands that been around for so long but never really got
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  like their flowers that they deserve, like Embalmer, Decrepit
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  Nonslaughter. It was like an incestual just
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  members of this band and that band and became this band.
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  So our drummer was in a band called Regurgitation, Really
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  killer, brutal death band. And then guitarist and bassist,
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  they were in in the band Embalmer.
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  But yeah, I mean, they were a band for like 4 years.
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  I saw them play with Suffocation and Jungle Rot.
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  Like so my first year at college, went out to Cleveland
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  to go see them. Was blown away.
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  And then like 2 years later that they posted on Facebook that
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  they were looking for somebody and I was like, hell, I'll make
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  the commute. You know, It was, it was like 2
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  Columbus from Columbus, so like 2 1/2 hours away.
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  And yeah, I was doing that for like a couple years, sometimes
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  twice a week, you know, just because I needed something.
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  You know, death metal is more, it's weird like how I got into
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  music because it was more so just background noise.
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  Like growing up, I was way more into like movies and sports.
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  And then it's just a shift happened in my life where I was
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  like music just kind of like took over and all this.
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  Like it was like an outlet of releasing like pent up
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  aggression and all the bullshit I was dealing with.
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  So that band practice was like my therapy, like the longest
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  time. Do you remember the moment that
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  you got into death metal or the time that you heard death metal
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  for the first time? I remember the time I heard it
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  for the first time for sure. So my dad had this in his center
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  console. He had like a bunch of CDs and I
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  remember like dancing to Venom's black metal.
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  Oh, your dad was a fucking. Metal Oh, big time.
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  And my dad was like 18 when my mom was pregnant.
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  There's not that much of an age gap.
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  So I got into stuff that he was listening to.
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  So growing up, I like as a little kid, I was into like
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  Beastie Boys and like House of Pain and like Slayer, Metallica.
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  And really early on, and I remember like grabbing CDs out
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  of his car and I think what he did was like put ACD in, put one
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  in an empty case because I grabbed Venom's black metal.
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  How old were you at this point? Such a shame dude I was like I
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  had to have been around like 7 or 8 and it was like second
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  group. Opening up black metal by venom
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  at 7 or 8 is so sick. But it was actually morbid
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  angels. Blessed are the sick and I
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  listened to it and was just like turned off by it like entirely.
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  I was just like, this doesn't make sense.
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  This is terrifying. And then but I kept it like in
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  my like 8 CD changer that I had like in my room.
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  And I remember one time, like my mom sent me to my room for
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  whatever reason and I just like blared it.
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  And then it made sense. I was like this.
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  I was like, now because I was feeling angry and frustrated and
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  cranked it all the way up. I was like, now it's like.
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  It. Yeah, it's all full circle from.
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  There. Do you have a cut off from
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  Morbid Angel? Like where?
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  I probably, yeah. Really.
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  Probably that record. I mean, it's yeah.
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  I mean, anything after Heretic, I'm just like, I'm like, it's
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  OK. Yeah, you know, think I dip out
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  at formulas. Like, I love formulas, yeah.
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  That's where it starts going for me.
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  But like, yeah, even like I know it's fucking sacrilege but like,
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  altars is probably my least plate.
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  Really. Yeah.
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  Fucking love altars. Like Covenant is #1 for me.
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  Oh yeah. Covenants probably blessed.
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  It's still probably my number. One, I'd go covenant blessed.
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  Oh yeah, Gateways. I'm not going to waste time on
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  that. But like, I feel like I wish I
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  liked the first record more than I do because the artworks like
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  the best artwork. And.
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  It was the first one I heard, yeah.
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  But yeah, I don't know. Just something about it.
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  I love it. Have you seen I can't remember
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  the name? Like whatever the new band is
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  that? I.
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  Am more video have you seen it? Alive.
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  No, but I love. I love David Vincent's voice.
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  Apparently it's fucking really sick.
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  I would imagine it is. I'm embarrassed.
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  I didn't even know it was a thing until like we played a
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  festival, no shit. And then?
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  Did you see it live? But yeah, like I bumped into
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  someone and he was like, Oh yeah, I'm teching.
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  And then he explained who for and I was like, what the fuck,
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  Morbid angels playing? And he was like, no, no, no,
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  it's this. And I was like Oh my God.
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  Then watched it and was like this is the closest thing I'm
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  going to get is a 38 year old man missed it the first time.
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  I saw them and it was when they had like David was still in the
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  line up, Tim Young and I saw them with who else was on that?
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  I want to say it was Trypticon. This was like 2011, 2012 and it
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  was like a it was like a a bunch of bands and they fucking blew
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  me away. It was crazy.
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  Like the and where I grew up in Reynoldsburg, OH, it's like the
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  suburbs of Columbus. They had this like little
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  country, like Hick hop, like bar and they had so like David Allen
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  Coe would like frequent there, but they would every blue moon
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  they'd have like a death metal show.
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  So like my junior year of high school, I saw Nile there and.
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  What year? 20/20/10 Yeah graduated in 13.
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  Those whom the gods the test talk.
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  Exactly. Yeah, yeah.
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  What a fucking album. Great album.
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  I'll never forget it. Because like, you know, toured
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  with them. Like years later.
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  Our first ever like Big Support tour was backing up Nile.
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  That's awesome. It was so badass.
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  And then, but I remember seeing them as a kid and I'm having my
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  phone out, like trying to record a song and Carl just just swipes
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  my phone off out of my hands and I'm like, I won't do it again,
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  dude, I promise. Let me just watch, you know?
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  Bring that back. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  To see him and it's like, oh wow, you can't avoid me for like
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  5 weeks and yeah, I can watch you from wherever now.
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  Did you tell him? Did you tell him that story now?
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  What I should have that? Would have been my fucking day
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  one ice break I. Should have.
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  I did tell so I have another funny story.
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  So obviously I'm a huge like dying fetus fan.
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  Yeah, and I saw dying fetus like a ton growing up and there was
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  like on 2 occasions I caught John Gallagher alone and tried
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  to ask for a picture and turn me down.
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  So then we're doing right and everyone else is like posting
• 13:57
  pictures with them on Facebook and whatever.
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  And I'm like, dude, is it me? You know, didn't.
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  Want to get framed? Mobbed.
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  Yeah. And then not, not, not in those
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  days, but then we toured with them on the Chaos and Carnage
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  tour with them in Suicide Silence.
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  And we met up at this bar after the first show and I was like,
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  it's my chance. So start broing down with them.
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  And I do this thing. It's it's where my autism like
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  comes in as a secret weapon. But it's like, I could, you're
• 14:28
  probably the same way We could talk about bands and make an
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  entire podcast where we're just naming bands.
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  Well, we're about to. We're about to.
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  So instead of bonding, I call it banding you.
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  Like it? Yeah.
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  And that's exactly like what me and him did.
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  And it was going on for like ever.
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  And we're enjoying it. We're taking shots.
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  And then I just go like, hey man, is it cool?
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  Like, can I grab a quick pic with you?
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  And he's like, of course, dude, like that.
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  And we'd snap the pic and I was like, he has no idea.
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  And I'm about to tell him. And I was like, dude, you turn
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  me down twice on pics just coming to see you live.
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  And he was like all did. I is like, I don't normally do
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  that. And I was like, I know that's
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  why. That's why yeah, I took it so
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  personal so. Did he explain why?
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  Well, one of the shows was definitely an off day because
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  like we they played, they played Scully's and they were
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  definitely it was a weird lineup.
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  It was like, I want to say it was like Black Crown Initiate.
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  I think they played and then Thy Art played before Fetus and Feed
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  It. Trey couldn't do the tour, so
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  they had Kevin Talley come in and do. 2 old school in the last
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  fucking 10 minutes. Like old school death metal
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  names Tim Young and Oh yeah Tally who used to be like.
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  The men, yeah. Oh yeah.
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  And Kevin Tally filled in. So they were doing like a bunch
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  of old songs and people are stage diving, people are
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  stepping all over John's pedal board.
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  So I could tell he was like on one.
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  He was pissed. You know, there was that time
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  and then there was a time in Dayton at Odd Bodies and dude,
• 16:10
  it was so packed like in that venue that you could only stand
• 16:15
  like this if you are standing. I think it was like the same
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  deal. Like he just wanted to hurry up
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  and like get to his bunk and chill out.
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  He's a very chill to himself, like kind of guy.
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  And when I'm at that age, I'm probably going to get the same
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  way, you know, if I'm torn as much.
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  So maybe we'll see. You turning a photo down?
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  Not a photo, Yeah. Turning a photo down, as much as
• 16:37
  I'm, I'm trying to get fetus on the pod and hell yeah, I think
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  it's happening. So it's going to be turning
• 16:43
  people's photos down. Just don't go out out of the
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  bus. I've got real questions for you.
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  Hell yeah, got. A real question.
• 16:49
  I'm trying to be professional now guys.
• 16:50
  I've got an iPad. Are you prepared?
• 16:52
  This is the first the first iPad version of the podcast.
• 16:58
  You had some health trouble on this tour?
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  I did, yeah. What the fuck happened?
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  I was in Prague, we had an off day and was kind of like feeling
• 17:07
  weird. Kind of it's like I tort
• 17:09
  something. So I got this like crazy like 90
• 17:13
  minute massage at this place and they're holding that down.
• 17:20
  No, haven't gotten that pass. And then but they were like
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  holding on to these bars and like walking on my back and.
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  Felt like a proper Thai massage. Oh yeah, yeah, that's the go to
• 17:30
  felt. Great.
• 17:31
  But then, you know, on the schedule, like me and Eric, we
• 17:35
  hit, we hit back like the next day and I'm doing rope like
• 17:40
  pullovers and I'm doing, I was doing it pretty heavy.
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  I was doing like 180 lbs. And it was like, by set three, I
• 17:48
  was like, oh, that's fucked up. Like a sharp paint.
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  Yeah, and I, I felt it everywhere, like in my chest
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  and, and everything. And I was starting to get kind
• 17:58
  of weird because like, you know, I, I'm married now so I got
• 18:01
  health insurance. So before the tour I got, I got
• 18:04
  some labs and stuff done and there was a lot of weird stuff
• 18:08
  that like came up kind of. So I was like, man, does this
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  correlate? And then I ended up going in
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  Germany. I got like a full scan, got like
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  a EKG, like MRI, the whole shebang. 20 bucks, 70.
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  Yeah, crazy. Yeah, I wish.
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  And then come to find out like I pinched a nerve on my back and
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  we're like, we had like 9 shows left.
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  So I was like, dude, I'm not going to bitch out, You know,
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  like, and it's, it's the way of the game.
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  Like being on tour, you're going to get sick.
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  You can almost count on it. So I've, I've been through the
• 18:42
  worst, like been through the year where it's like, hey, if
• 18:46
  you're sick, don't ask, don't tell.
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  Yeah, you know, I know that. And then any other time after
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  that, it was like, all right, this is bronchitis.
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  This is that somehow I'd still be able to pull it off.
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  Like I, I could lose my talking voice entirely, but because my
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  singing voice is from the gut, I think it still held on.
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  So like it would kill me just like walking on stage and like
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  my back would like tighten up like crazy and didn't have any
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  time off and I'm sleeping on the bunk like on those, you know,
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  double deck like buses. And even though a bus like
• 19:21
  sounds nice like it's not fucking comfortable like at all.
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  It's better than a van. It's nowhere near a hotel other
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  than the fact you can sleep during the travel.
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  Exactly. So you're sleeping on a slab of
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  plywood, you know, And but it was like as soon as I got home,
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  which always coming back from Europe, there's delays and all
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  this bullshit. And like, so it literally took
• 19:42
  24 hours to travel back home. But after like the first two
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  naps, like at back home, I was like, all right, I'm feeling
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  like myself again. So just sort of worked his way
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  out. Yeah, I think what it what it
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  all needed to happen was I needed rest fucking.
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  Stop. Did you have many days off on
• 19:59
  that tour? We only had one.
• 20:01
  Yeah, I was going to say like, it's so short.
• 20:04
  It's like that. Yeah, they must have just
• 20:05
  powered through that. Yeah, so we had like a Monday in
• 20:08
  Prague and that was like the day I was like, you know what, let's
• 20:12
  see some cool buildings and fucking, you know, because like,
• 20:16
  the cool thing, as cool as it can be about Prague was it
• 20:22
  didn't really get hit. It didn't get hit, you know,
• 20:24
  during World War 2. Prague is beautiful.
• 20:26
  Yeah. So like all the architecture
• 20:28
  there is like ancient. So going through it, it's like
• 20:32
  see a lot of cool shit. So I was walking like the whole
• 20:34
  time there. Like that off day?
• 20:36
  I was. I was up that entire day.
• 20:38
  Madison went to Prague for the first time recently it.
• 20:41
  Was on Halloween. It was amazing.
• 20:44
  Yeah, it's one of the places where I was like, OK, if on this
• 20:47
  straight tour, if it works out, you're going to come and you're
• 20:50
  going to see Prague and it doesn't really matter where else
• 20:53
  we get. So like Prague, Cologne, like,
• 20:55
  yeah, sort of places that you want to bring someone to see for
• 20:58
  sure. Unfortunately it was like there
• 21:00
  was no offence, but it was like Leipzig, like a bunch of just
• 21:04
  like not really city cities, but then there was Prague on there.
• 21:08
  What a fucking Gothic architecture.
• 21:11
  Oh yeah, goat. It's.
• 21:13
  Very black craft over there. There you there.
• 21:17
  Literally get any goth girl. I hate to be a massive
• 21:20
  stereotype, guys, but what I'm about to tell you about is, I
• 21:22
  think a weekend curated and designed specifically for me.
• 21:27
  Incarceration music and Tattoo festival takes over Ohio State
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  Reformatory July 17th and 19th. You know, Shawshank, Shawshank
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  Redemption, the IMDb top movie of all time for the most of
• 21:39
  time. Yeah, that Ohio State
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  Reformatory. It's three days of metal, Hard
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  Rock and tattoos where live music collides with artists.
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  Haunted history, an immersive experience that makes this one
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  of the most unique festivals in the country.
• 21:53
  I told you it was for me. The historic, allegedly haunted
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  prison grounds will play host to Gojira, Bad Omers, Machine Head
• 22:01
  and tons more like downbeat alumni.
• 22:03
  Dying Wish landmarks and the bog are going to be there.
• 22:07
  Possibly even more exciting than that though.
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  More than 100 tattoo eyes from around the country are going to
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  be transforming the prison into the Monster Energy Tattoo
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  convention. Any psychopaths looking to take
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  home a a permanent reminder of their festival weekend can do so
• 22:22
  at the festival. But please, Lord, clean it.
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  You know what festival you're like.
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  If I didn't mention it was haunted.
• 22:30
  They have an unparalleled scare experience.
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  You know those haunted houses where people scare the absolute
• 22:36
  out of you, but they're not allowed to touch you?
• 22:38
  I don't think I can't remember. The Blood Prison offers more
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  than just a walkthrough of a haunted attraction.
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  It presents a chilling encounter with the supernatural.
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• 23:00
  I will see you there. You mentioned being in a bunch
• 23:04
  of bands for the Bog and Sangra Circle.
• 23:08
  Bog has such a strong Sonic and visual identity.
• 23:14
  Yeah. Was that pre planned from the
• 23:17
  start or is that something that's developed over time?
• 23:20
  It was really only as supposed to be like a side project.
• 23:26
  It's very weird and crazy how it like came all together.
• 23:29
  But we all started from just like knowing each other in other
• 23:33
  bands. None of us on that original
• 23:35
  lineup like played in any bands together prior to that.
• 23:39
  And you know, when I got when I got approached, I was already
• 23:44
  like booking shows in Columbus and you know, I was listening to
• 23:50
  demos and I was just like, man, this is like exactly something
• 23:53
  I've wanted to do for like a long time.
• 23:55
  Like that reminiscent like old school death metal.
• 23:59
  And you know, that earlier stuff was not really like blast heavy.
• 24:02
  It was more like DB and the pocket single base, you know?
• 24:09
  Yeah, exactly. It was only supposed to be like,
• 24:11
  hey, we have the time to tour or do regional stuff if we want to.
• 24:16
  And, you know, we could use that time wisely and let's let's make
• 24:21
  something cool happen. And we literally put together
• 24:24
  that EP within like a weekend. And I mean, the, the day that it
• 24:31
  was done, it's like it's, I swear, it's like my life changed
• 24:34
  forever. That's awesome.
• 24:36
  Everyone was local. Yeah.
• 24:38
  So the original lineup consisted of, like me, our old guitar
• 24:42
  player Cameron Boggs, and then Steve, who all of us like, lived
• 24:48
  in Columbus. And then Cody at the time lived
• 24:51
  in Dayton, which is like an hour and a half like West of us.
• 24:54
  Is Cody right in the riffs? Cody is a sort of a savant.
• 24:59
  We call him a croissant, but. I was going to say something
• 25:03
  worse than Siobhan but like I can tell he's like the fucking
• 25:08
  guy. Right.
• 25:08
  He, he's, he's touched, man. He's got, He's got, he's got.
• 25:12
  A lick of it. Oh yeah, yeah, he's got it.
• 25:14
  He's got it handled and he does it so effortlessly.
• 25:19
  And it's been, it's been bad ass, man.
• 25:22
  Like what? What watching him work like
• 25:25
  because he really wasn't too into death metal outside of a
• 25:30
  few bands. I kind of was the one that got
• 25:33
  him into a lot of like other stuff.
• 25:35
  I was like, dude, like Sepultura Pantera.
• 25:39
  So he's still in the world? Yeah, He came from like.
• 25:41
  Hip hop and he was listening to like death and a few others.
• 25:46
  Yeah, big time, big time. And you know, I told him I was
• 25:50
  like, dude, you need to get you need to get triggers.
• 25:52
  And he's like, he's like, Nah, man, that's not my style.
• 25:55
  And I was like, dude, it's everybody's style.
• 25:57
  I was like, you're still you're still hitting it.
• 25:59
  It's just a consistent sound, you know, And the typewriter
• 26:03
  sounds sick, dude, I'm telling you.
• 26:05
  So put them onto a couple records.
• 26:07
  And he's like, yeah, you're right.
• 26:09
  Like I remember we, it was a funny story.
• 26:13
  So we knew somebody that was really good friends with Pat
• 26:18
  O'Brien and. When?
• 26:20
  This is in 2020. So this is Golden Pack right
• 26:25
  after, Yeah. And he moved back to Kentucky.
• 26:29
  That's where he's where he's from originally.
• 26:32
  And we were brought up like, hey, you know, there's this jam
• 26:38
  going on. Everyone's cool, Nobody's sick.
• 26:42
  You know, we're just going to play musical chairs and jam in
• 26:43
  the garage. Pat O'Brien's coming.
• 26:46
  And we're like, no way to spoil it.
• 26:48
  He didn't come but, but it, it sold us enough to like, we're
• 26:52
  going, you know, and showed up and Cody's riffing on guitar
• 26:59
  while someone else is playing drums and then he's swapping.
• 27:02
  And it was just like a, a commodity of like people.
• 27:06
  And we're all just jamming, freestyle jamming.
• 27:10
  And Cody got behind the kid, first kid he ever played that
• 27:13
  had triggers on it. And he was like, I'm getting
• 27:17
  triggers. Oh.
• 27:17
  He just like ripped this straight away.
• 27:19
  Oh yeah. I was like, bad dude, let's
• 27:21
  fucking do it, you know? And it's just cool like seeing
• 27:26
  like the progression of like who he is as a drummer because at
• 27:32
  that time he had only been playing drums for maybe like 5
• 27:36
  years. He started playing drums when he
• 27:37
  was 15. So he was mostly a guitarist.
• 27:39
  He started playing guitar when he was three years old.
• 27:42
  Oh, wow. Yeah, OK.
• 27:43
  And when he was? He's riddled with it.
• 27:45
  Oh yeah. When he was in kindergarten, I
• 27:47
  wish he was here because like hearing him tell the story, I'm
• 27:50
  like, I'm like a proud dad. Like ear to ear smiling.
• 27:53
  He's in this talent competition like button up shirt and bow tie
• 27:58
  and he's playing an in van lick and he's playing over the
• 28:03
  mountain by Ozzy and just nailing it.
• 28:08
  So like, and this is out of time like before YouTube.
• 28:11
  And so he could have totally if like someone invested into it,
• 28:15
  he could have been that guitar prodigy, like America's Got
• 28:18
  Talent, whatever, you know? Yeah, you turned him on to death
• 28:24
  metal. Exactly, it made him way cooler
• 28:26
  so. So is he when Sang Rasika Bobble
• 28:28
  writes a song? Is it mostly Cody?
• 28:31
  It has been for some of the previous records.
• 28:35
  This last record, you know, he wanted to focus more on the
• 28:39
  drums and kind of like take because we wanted, you know, we
• 28:42
  wanted Drew and said who, you know, invested a lot of time in
• 28:45
  this band to have like their abilities and stuff be heard.
• 28:49
  But what Cody does is when everyone's presenting like
• 28:54
  riffs, he's the one that does like the whole surgery and just
• 28:58
  like this goes here, but this also goes with it because it'll
• 29:02
  lead up to this riff. So he does have a hand on all of
• 29:06
  the songs, always. Do you use a producer?
• 29:09
  Like a ghostwriter or something. Well, no, I just mean like when
• 29:11
  you go, when you track. Yeah, like obviously you got the
• 29:15
  the the lines Blur producer, engineer.
• 29:18
  Yeah, but like it sounds like he's doing the producing.
• 29:21
  Yeah. Who's recording?
• 29:23
  For our demo, all the way up to homicidal ecstasy, our second
• 29:28
  full length, it was him we did it.
• 29:29
  All this last record and we had the homicidal ecstasy we had
• 29:35
  mixed in, mixed by Kurpelu. Hideous aftermath.
• 29:40
  We did everything at Kurt's God City.
• 29:44
  So fucking nice mix. Yeah, dude, he's the man.
• 29:47
  And, and he even told us to like because we we were talking and
• 29:53
  we, we, we use the term. It's funny that you mentioned
• 29:55
  this. We use the term producer and he
• 29:58
  said I'm not your producer. He's like, I'm your engineer.
• 30:02
  Yeah, OK. Yeah, I mean, and that was born
• 30:04
  out of you're explaining what Cody does and I'm like, OK,
• 30:07
  well, I guess they don't have a producer then.
• 30:09
  And then Kurt is Kurt's your man for that stuff.
• 30:12
  Yeah, we talked about Naveen earlier on off camera, but like
• 30:15
  the Kurt Animosity records. Amazing.
• 30:19
  Fucking unreal. Animosity in general, man.
• 30:21
  Like that's the, I'm not the biggest Death Core fan, but that
• 30:25
  is that is a band that really touched like every little bit
• 30:30
  that I like my Death Core to sound like.
• 30:32
  Death core in I mean animosity was my number 1 and I I do like
• 30:36
  death core like. Them and job for me.
• 30:39
  That's the thing, my death core is like Whitechapel Job or
• 30:44
  Cowboy. Yeah, but when it came out, so I
• 30:48
  was metal kid, death metal kid, hardcore kid, and then deathcore
• 30:53
  came out and I was like, obviously I like this because at
• 30:55
  the time it was fucking. Yeah, it was the best of both.
• 30:58
  Worlds, yeah, it was so like animosity, it's like, OK, I'm
• 31:00
  getting an actual hardcore breakdown.
• 31:02
  Yep, that sounds like a hardcore record.
• 31:04
  And I'm getting death metal for sure, like that era.
• 31:08
  And I used to get fucking dunked on all the time because it was
• 31:11
  like deathcore is not true metal and all this shit.
• 31:12
  And I was like yeah, but I'd like breakdown.
• 31:14
  Oh. Yeah, breakdowns are sick.
• 31:16
  And and you know, there's bands that like that labeled
• 31:21
  themselves as death metal but straight up had breakdowns like
• 31:25
  the whole time. You guys get pretty accepted by
• 31:27
  the hardcore community. Yeah, yeah.
• 31:30
  I think like why? Is.
• 31:32
  That beats the hell out of me. We're not a hardcore band.
• 31:35
  Not at all. No, yeah, I do think like we
• 31:37
  touch on like little things like, you know, like skank beats
• 31:41
  and like sometimes we don't have like your traditional like death
• 31:45
  metal trolls. Like we play disco beats and D
• 31:48
  beats and you know, it's like our range like when it comes to
• 31:52
  like hardcore, it's like so different, you know, like what
• 31:58
  we like and what we like to bring in.
• 32:00
  But I think it's just because we're like the energy and the
• 32:05
  the mosh call outs maybe like. I think there's also an element
• 32:10
  of like some people like young kids that may be just into
• 32:14
  hardcore and have got into hardcore haven't like done by no
• 32:18
  fault of their own, haven't done like the research on older death
• 32:23
  metal. Right.
• 32:24
  Which like some of the heavy parts from my old Cannibal
• 32:27
  Corpses, like what some hardcore bands sound like now.
• 32:30
  Yeah, you guys have a lot of like that old school death metal
• 32:33
  sound. So they might be like, this is a
• 32:35
  fucking sick riff because it sounds like hardcore to them.
• 32:37
  But actually it came from Cannibal Corpse, yeah.
• 32:41
  Or like obituaries, like frozen time, like it's straight up.
• 32:44
  It's a fucking hardcore. Record.
• 32:45
  It's a hardcore record. Big time.
• 32:47
  Did the logo happen immediately or did the logo go through some
• 32:52
  transmutations before becoming it's unreadable glory?
• 32:56
  Like the name, logo and everything was picked out like
• 32:59
  before. I like walked into the band I
• 33:01
  guess and it was created by Bridget who was our original
• 33:07
  bass players, his now wife. Congrats.
• 33:11
  Yeah, yeah, she's amazing and we still run into each other from
• 33:15
  time to time. But she she did it more just
• 33:18
  like very like non symmetrical. You could still kind of read it
• 33:23
  and then just like through like layers of like fucking with it.
• 33:26
  Her and Cameron got together and you made something that looks
• 33:31
  like it would clog your drain. So do you know where the letters
• 33:34
  are in that? More or less definitely know
• 33:38
  where the S is. Simon, Simon, you can
• 33:41
  superimpose that there while we're talking about this,
• 33:43
  because it's one of the most unreadable.
• 33:45
  Like, Oh yeah, big time. Huge fan.
• 33:48
  Was there a moment when you know you're saying it?
• 33:53
  Born in Columbus, OH, Just I was making EPS.
• 33:57
  Was there a moment where you realized it had like more of a
• 34:00
  global reach? Yeah, yeah.
• 34:02
  I mean, I was at I was at work and I was getting a phone call,
• 34:08
  like my phone was getting lit up.
• 34:10
  And they were like, dude, check out what I sent you, like on
• 34:13
  Facebook or wherever looking at it.
• 34:16
  And we dropped a song and, and like the day later, it was
• 34:21
  mentioned on NPR. And I was like, no shit, you
• 34:25
  know, yeah, someone who was watching A Tiny Desk and shit
• 34:28
  like that. I was like, no way.
• 34:31
  And then it's like shortly after that, like, you know, James from
• 34:35
  Harm's Way and like Jacob Bannon and like a bunch of people are
• 34:39
  just talking about it. And I was just like, it was
• 34:44
  really cool because like, when I tracked, it was all in just a
• 34:49
  matter of minutes. Like everything was kind of off
• 34:51
  the top of my head. Really wasn't like much thought
• 34:53
  to it. I have like a weird gift like
• 34:55
  that. I could piece words and stuff
• 34:57
  together. But I remember like driving back
• 35:01
  to Cameron's house to drop them off.
• 35:03
  We were just listening to the songs over and over again.
• 35:05
  And I was like, dude, I, I could see people really liking this.
• 35:09
  Like, you know, maybe we could, you know, actually do a tour and
• 35:13
  like not lose our ass on it or something.
• 35:15
  And we can make this like a weekend thing or whatever like
• 35:19
  that. At the time, that's like what we
• 35:21
  were talking about. And when that happened, I'm
• 35:26
  like, there's, there's no fucking way.
• 35:28
  And then it's just like band after band.
• 35:33
  People that I've like, always admired and looked up to are
• 35:36
  just like shouting it out. And I was just like, sick, you
• 35:41
  know? Obviously I need to put more
• 35:43
  eggs in this basket and see where it goes because at that
• 35:46
  time, like I had, I like, you know, backing up a little bit
• 35:51
  like we've been, you know, I've been in multiple bands like
• 35:54
  prior and then nothing really like hit a lick.
• 35:59
  I and I was telling my, I was telling myself like I'll do this
• 36:03
  band, but if it goes nowhere, maybe I need to like cut it some
• 36:08
  slack and like ease up a little bit.
• 36:11
  Real job and be an adult. Yeah, fuck.
• 36:14
  And thank God that didn't happen.
• 36:17
  So yeah. What's the What was the backup?
• 36:19
  What would you have done? So I was doing, I was doing an
• 36:23
  epoxy like concrete, like sealant.
• 36:25
  So I was doing like pool decks and it's like a job I kind of
• 36:29
  like walked into after trying other jobs and like I had a crew
• 36:33
  of like 11 people that were working with me.
• 36:37
  And so I would have been a construction guy.
• 36:39
  I've got a side note which isn't on my list of questions, but the
• 36:43
  Brutal Truth T-shirt kind of kind of reminded me of Extreme
• 36:49
  Noise Terror, which then reminded me you have an
• 36:52
  encyclopedic knowledge of death metal.
• 36:54
  Do you remember the band Desecration?
• 36:56
  Of course. Yeah, yeah, the.
• 36:57
  Fucking story about desecration. I can't remember what it was the
• 37:02
  Ollie Young I believe his name was that was also in extreme
• 37:07
  noise terror for a bit. His day job was actually a
• 37:11
  mortician. Yep.
• 37:12
  I think it was at the height of like Cannibal Corpse scaring
• 37:16
  everyone and all the court stuff about, you know, I was going to
• 37:20
  say the word of the song but I'm not going to say it, but I
• 37:25
  remember hearing they got charges pressed against them for
• 37:30
  their death metal lyrics and I think he lost his job because it
• 37:34
  was right. Oh really?
• 37:35
  Essentially writing about I could be wrong here if if anyone
• 37:39
  knows the truth. Think he because he was a
• 37:41
  mortician and he was writing songs about my fucking corpses.
• 37:45
  Oh yeah, yeah. It's funny.
• 37:46
  My mom is a funeral planner and a grieving counsellor at a
• 37:51
  Funeral Home. Damn.
• 37:53
  And I've always, I tried at one time I was like, hey, it's like,
• 37:57
  can we do a promo shot like in some of these rooms?
• 38:01
  And yeah. And she was like, absolutely the
• 38:04
  hell not. So no, it's it's.
• 38:06
  A professional not like let me write some lyrics about this.
• 38:10
  It's weird thinking of, like, what people were doing aside
• 38:14
  from music, like Will Rahmer, You know what he did?
• 38:17
  It's a florist. Yeah.
• 38:20
  So kind of awesome. Could not imagine that.
• 38:23
  Like, just someone all ringed out.
• 38:24
  Like, here you go, Here's a bouquet at Daisies.
• 38:27
  We're. Going to talk about your new
• 38:29
  record. It's more experimental.
• 38:31
  Yeah. Any reason?
• 38:35
  What about that for a question? Yeah, I mean, I think like, you
• 38:38
  know, when you're in a band and you're trying to like keep it as
• 38:45
  entertaining, especially if you want to do it long term, there
• 38:47
  has to be progression, you know, there.
• 38:51
  So we did wanted to do something like a little out of pocket from
• 38:54
  what we're used to doing and decided to experiment with a lot
• 39:00
  of different like aspects of it. Some of the songwriting was, you
• 39:04
  know, it's just how we've operated in the past and trying
• 39:09
  to do better at this, like moving forward.
• 39:11
  But we like to rush things where someone will take it on their
• 39:15
  own to like, gatekeep an entire song.
• 39:18
  So it's only their riffs. And really, yes, sometimes,
• 39:21
  yeah. So it's just.
• 39:22
  Keep it until when when you're in the studio.
• 39:24
  Well, though, no, no, like gatekeep, like an entire song.
• 39:26
  Like this is my song. Oh, and like so you don't have
• 39:29
  your parts. I thought they you meant as in
• 39:31
  like they would just not show anyone the song until start to
• 39:34
  track. Yeah, I mean some stuff was
• 39:36
  changing like in the studio, like the like the industrial
• 39:40
  track like. Love it.
• 39:41
  Sounds like fucking God flesh. Oh yeah, and we're huge God
• 39:45
  flesh fans and I really. I just heard about this today.
• 39:49
  I really hope Justin Broderick pulls through abdomen surgery.
• 39:53
  I had no idea he was 57. I thought, yeah, me neither.
• 39:56
  And I thought his statement was cool where he was like, I just,
• 40:00
  I just can't do this anymore. There's still going to be
• 40:02
  records, the last record, but I thought that was really cool.
• 40:06
  I get it. I get it too.
• 40:08
  Oh man, and everything he's done like like JK flesh and like
• 40:12
  everything he's ever done, even outside of God flesh is just
• 40:15
  like so pinnacle and it has like so much conviction and we're
• 40:21
  such huge fans of him. Like it.
• 40:24
  If it wasn't for someone like him there wouldn't you could say
• 40:27
  there wouldn't be grind core, you know?
• 40:29
  So he's we wanted to play like some kind of homage to like, Oh.
• 40:35
  That was a God flesh. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 40:38
  Like it between them like. I mean, it fucking works the
• 40:42
  first thing I thought when I heard it.
• 40:43
  It's like then last days of humanity and like mortician,
• 40:46
  like we kind of wanted to like, you know, put it all in a
• 40:49
  melting pot and see what we could do and.
• 40:52
  Last days of humanity still going.
• 40:53
  They are supposedly. I remember vividly, like, man,
• 41:00
  because I had two friends who were a bit older than me and I
• 41:03
  was like, into Cannibal Corpse and like your basic death metal.
• 41:08
  And I remember at the time I must have been like 14.
• 41:12
  And I remember being like that. There's no way vocals can
• 41:16
  possibly get lower than fucking what Cannibal Corpse was doing.
• 41:21
  And then someone showed me Last Days of Humanity, like, Oh my
• 41:24
  God. Yeah, I think the first vocalist
• 41:27
  I saw that was like, this dude's untouchable was Acker Felt, you
• 41:33
  know, like bloodbath. Oh bro yeah, the fathomless
• 41:37
  mastery. I love that record.
• 41:38
  Is I like, I never think of it when I'm thinking of like a top
• 41:44
  five death metal records, but I I, when I listen to it, I'm
• 41:49
  like, fuck, this really might be top five like.
• 41:51
  Yeah, they're definitely a top five band for for Damn Sure for
• 41:54
  me. Do you like the stuff without
• 41:56
  him? It's not as good, I'll say that,
• 41:59
  but I do. It has its moments.
• 42:01
  You know which one I do love that doesn't have him?
• 42:04
  Fuck. I'm going to butcher the name of
• 42:05
  it, but it has, in my opinion, one of the best album artworks.
• 42:11
  Fuck, what is the name of the record?
• 42:13
  I'm not going to Google it and make it look like I do it.
• 42:16
  You know the one I mean. It's a painting on the front and
• 42:18
  it's like a baby's crib, just with flies.
• 42:21
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know exactly which one.
• 42:23
  I can't remember it too, but they have it at Grimy's.
• 42:26
  Almost do. They no way crime is he's 2
• 42:28
  seconds away. Maybe I'll pick that up.
• 42:31
  That artwork is so sick. I like that record, but.
• 42:34
  Also like I might butcher the name on this too but I think
• 42:38
  it's unblessing the purity or something like that.
• 42:41
  It's the moment, the wolves and the cloaks and that's just an EP
• 42:45
  and it just goes so damn hard. And then I love the fathomless
• 42:50
  Master, especially Trick from the cup of hair.
• 42:54
  The thing about that record that's so sick is the tempos.
• 42:58
  Oh yeah, I don't know, but I feel like they're all like
• 43:02
  between 2:10 and 2:30 Max. It's not like super, super,
• 43:08
  super fast. It's slow enough if you can use
• 43:12
  the word slow off the 200 BPM, but you can hear every single
• 43:14
  note in the blood beats. And then when it breaks down,
• 43:17
  it's like, oh shit, that is actually yeah, groovy.
• 43:21
  Even though they're like, not like a classic Swedish man to
• 43:26
  me, like they own Swedish death metal.
• 43:29
  That artwork as well. Oh yeah?
• 43:31
  Miss a painted artwork? Bring back the paintings.
• 43:35
  Fucking AI. Now would you remember most
• 43:38
  about the recording sessions of Hideous Aftermath?
• 43:41
  Is there like any cool stories? Fun shit.
• 43:45
  So God City is I'm not going to give out like the precise
• 43:51
  location, but it's in the cut in Salem, MA and it's next to like
• 43:58
  a sober like living like facility.
• 44:02
  And so these people were completely out of their mind and
• 44:08
  they're just wandering like by our doors because he has a, he
• 44:12
  has an upstairs loft that we slept in for a month.
• 44:16
  And they, they're just like going crazy.
• 44:20
  Like I'm, I hear this woman like yelling, fuck you, fuck you like
• 44:24
  that. And I'm like, we need a field
• 44:26
  recorder. Like we got to record this, you
• 44:28
  know, And I'm, I'm looking out the window and she's like
• 44:31
  talking to herself. She's looking at the ground,
• 44:34
  she's picking up cigarette buds. And I'm like, I don't want to, I
• 44:37
  don't want to make a star out of this woman, So but I think the
• 44:41
  whole atmosphere, like Salem has just such a like weird history,
• 44:45
  you know, and. That's the witch place, right?
• 44:48
  Yeah, the witch trials, you know, where they were tying
• 44:52
  concrete blocks to women's feet, throwing them in bodies of water
• 44:57
  and like, well, if they come up, they're they're not a witch.
• 45:00
  We're like, well, if they don't come up, they're dead.
• 45:02
  Yeah, bring that back. Bring that back.
• 45:07
  Come on, 2026, Madison's fucking raging as a as a witch in that
• 45:13
  chair. That was a non derogatory witch.
• 45:17
  No, as a practical witch. Practical witch, that was just
• 45:20
  an excuse to kill women. That entire thing was an excuse
• 45:23
  to kill women. Yeah.
• 45:25
  But they and. Men, but mainly women.
• 45:28
  But we did have, we ended up getting a field recorder because
• 45:31
  we were like, you know, maybe and we were like, let's get some
• 45:35
  background noises like trees blowing or whatever.
• 45:39
  And we walked over to this light lighthouse and when we got
• 45:45
  there, a siren was like went off and we see like spotlights on us
• 45:51
  and stuff. We're like, we got to get the
• 45:52
  hell out of here. And Drew was just like, we got
• 45:55
  to record the sound and we got that sound.
• 45:58
  And it's actually used in that industrial track.
• 46:02
  Yeah. So did you hear like a faint
• 46:04
  like ping? Like that?
• 46:06
  That's what that is. And then?
• 46:08
  That's cool. The drums like those, those
• 46:11
  drums are obviously like a drum machine, like sample drums on
• 46:13
  that song. They're what Justin uses.
• 46:19
  Oh wow. It's it's like the same exact
• 46:22
  like mod and everything that Justin used for street cleaning.
• 46:26
  I it's like the minute I heard it, I was like, oh wow, it
• 46:30
  sounds like gold flashing. It's like, oh, OK, yeah, really
• 46:33
  down to the was it analog hardware or was it the same
• 46:37
  samples? I think it was just samples,
• 46:39
  yeah. Zach Kurt's assistant, like
• 46:42
  really pieced that like all together and everything for us.
• 46:45
  And then. But yeah, I mean like drums took
• 46:49
  like it took obviously most of the time.
• 46:52
  And then we did vocals last and I had like I had like 2 days to
• 46:57
  like track. And I remember like there were
• 47:01
  so many changes like yeah, we decided to do this in the studio
• 47:04
  and I was like, well I had parts for that.
• 47:06
  So still like creating stuff on the spot.
• 47:09
  And then, you know, we did want some more varieties.
• 47:14
  So like, doing this thing for the amount of time that we've
• 47:19
  done it so far, we've made a lot of friends.
• 47:22
  And, you know, I hit up Todd Jones and was just like, dude,
• 47:26
  we want you on a bog song. Is that cool?
• 47:28
  And he's like, absolutely. And then like, because we didn't
• 47:31
  have so much time, I was like, you know what, I'm going to hit
• 47:33
  up all the whole news and whoever says yes, sick.
• 47:37
  I didn't expect everybody to say yes.
• 47:39
  Oh, really? Yeah, so and then the last track
• 47:43
  like Paid in Flesh, that was a cool one because it was such a
• 47:46
  long song. I was like, and it's so
• 47:49
  different. Like it's very like straight in
• 47:52
  your face death metal, which is like my wheelhouse.
• 47:56
  And then it goes into this like weird posty, like Aaron Turner
• 48:00
  like style of song. And I was just like, dude, what
• 48:03
  do we? What do I do with this?
• 48:05
  So I decided to hit up one of the craziest musicians I know,
• 48:09
  which is Dylan from Full of Hell.
• 48:12
  And I was like, dude, from this part to this part, do everything
• 48:16
  you want to do, whatever it is, give me your lyrics, I'll write
• 48:20
  to it. So I'll build off of what you
• 48:23
  give me. And then that was a cool thing
• 48:26
  about because I do features like all the time and it's usually
• 48:29
  people like do what you want or say this part exactly.
• 48:33
  And it's like for us, I was just like, do whatever you want.
• 48:37
  That way it's actually like there's grit, there's
• 48:39
  conviction, it's what you want to say.
• 48:42
  Yeah, and you get the vibe of the person that you want rather
• 48:45
  than that person. Instead of a facade or
• 48:48
  something. Yeah.
• 48:49
  Was there anyone you asked that said yes, but you just didn't
• 48:52
  have enough tracks? There was one dude that said yes
• 48:56
  and he but it turns out he didn't have the time to do it.
• 49:01
  So we did swap it last minute, which did work out, but it was
• 49:06
  it was full Bozeman. Oh, that would have been so.
• 49:08
  Sick it would have been so sick could me and him.
• 49:10
  Me and him broed out so hard on our tour together and the dude
• 49:16
  is like it's so crazy because I remember seeing him and his
• 49:19
  earlobes were literally touching his shoulders.
• 49:21
  Back in the day. Yeah, and now he's like all
• 49:23
  clean cut. And you saw him just like in a
• 49:27
  coffee shop. You just think, oh, that's
• 49:29
  that's the guy. Yeah, Yeah.
• 49:31
  And he's like. And then he belts it out and
• 49:34
  you're like, oh, he's God, he's sick.
• 49:36
  Yeah, he was totally down. And then but it just like timing
• 49:41
  was an issue. So I was like, you know what?
• 49:44
  I hit up Josh from Defeated Sanity and he was like, who?
• 49:48
  Who has his own studio in New York.
• 49:50
  And he was like, yeah, I'll, I'll rough it out.
• 49:53
  Like right now. Yeah, there's a lot of there's a
• 49:57
  lot of funny things like the song that has Travis Ryan.
• 50:02
  I I'll play it to you after we tape this.
• 50:04
  But he his part that he originally sent was literally
• 50:11
  him trill rapping. He was, he was rapping on it.
• 50:15
  He he straight up was like, got my, got my Gucci, got my 6.
• 50:22
  I'll pull up my 9:00 because she was a bitch.
• 50:24
  Like it sounded sick. It sounded sick from him,
• 50:28
  though. That's from him.
• 50:29
  What? But he if you, if you get to
• 50:32
  know him, like on a past, like the surface level, yeah, he's
• 50:36
  very into like drill rap, you say?
• 50:39
  Oh, big time, big time. Wow, that's interesting.
• 50:41
  Yeah, like he likes Chief Keef and shit.
• 50:44
  So I mean, I like Chief Keef. So I mean.
• 50:47
  But yeah, but you. Didn't ask him for that, he just
• 50:49
  gave me that back. He gave us that.
• 50:51
  And I was like, dude, as much as I love this, I was like, this is
• 50:54
  kind of like a serious song. I was like, let's get like a
• 50:57
  little bit darker with it. And he was like worlds apart,
• 51:00
  dude, but I'll give you something cool.
• 51:03
  And then what he sent was just like insane.
• 51:05
  Nailed it. It nailed it.
• 51:06
  He's one of the best. Going to keep Bozeman in the
• 51:09
  back pocket for the next one. I hope so.
• 51:12
  I hope so. I love that dude so much.
• 51:14
  And like, you know, it's like something that people don't know
• 51:19
  about me is like, as much as I love bands, I'm also a band
• 51:24
  straight up hater, you know? Yeah.
• 51:28
  And I'm not. But The thing is, is I'm not
• 51:29
  like everybody on the Internet where it's like, if I hate
• 51:31
  something, I just dismiss it, you know, talk about it.
• 51:35
  But me and Phil would talk about the things that we hate, you
• 51:38
  know? And it that's how we like Bonded
• 51:41
  because he's been in the game for so long and you know, he he
• 51:47
  the first time he like hung out with me, he was like, dude, he's
• 51:50
  like, you have a song on this record.
• 51:53
  He's like, it reminds me of Hemdale.
• 51:55
  And I was like, you listen to Hemdale and he was like, yeah,
• 51:58
  dude, he's like Exhumed and Hemdale are like my favorite
• 52:01
  bands. And I'm like, did not know that
• 52:04
  about you. All right. 6 So we like bonded
• 52:07
  like pretty hard. Like on the tour we did with
• 52:08
  them and Warner Shore. Whitechapel stayed at my house.
• 52:13
  Oh yeah, on their first UK tour I want to say when did Somatic
• 52:21
  Defilement come out? 2006.
• 52:24
  It was 2000 and. Six, yeah.
• 52:25
  So 2006 they had a small UK tour.
• 52:30
  My old death metal band supported them.
• 52:32
  That's badass. And then they stayed at my house
• 52:35
  and we were all just like fucking kids.
• 52:36
  And then it wasn't until maybe, I assume they'd just forgotten
• 52:41
  about it, And then it wasn't until maybe like 20, 19 at a
• 52:46
  festival, like I sat down. They brought it up.
• 52:48
  They they just came and sat next to me and was like, what's up,
• 52:50
  Craig? I haven't seen you in ages.
• 52:51
  I was like, Oh my God. That's.
• 52:53
  This is so funny. That rocks.
• 52:55
  That's like we were children. Yeah, Hell yeah.
• 52:58
  He was a kid with that voice single handedly brought the
• 53:02
  fucking the vocal gurgle in a gap to the fucking mainstream.
• 53:08
  Oh yeah, that's the thing too is like, you know, now everyone's
• 53:12
  like a reality star on the Internet and it's funny because
• 53:17
  like he lightweight like makes fun of it.
• 53:20
  I'm like, dude, you kind of you kind of jump started that.
• 53:24
  I was like, it's you. And you know, Cam from like
• 53:28
  disfiguring the goddess that like really brought that on and
• 53:33
  he was like, damn, don't tell me that you know so.
• 53:36
  You said you go in, you have a gift that you go in and that
• 53:42
  stuff comes off the dime. Do you mean like lyrics or
• 53:45
  phrasing? Both.
• 53:47
  You're freestyling. The demo.
• 53:49
  I like freestyle, the whole thing.
• 53:51
  Lyrics and everyone. Yeah, what?
• 53:53
  The. Fuck, yeah.
• 53:55
  It it, it's, it's something that I I just have like this weird
• 54:00
  gift of piercing words that you have most people would have to
• 54:04
  look up. Yeah.
• 54:06
  And same with like titles and like naming stuff.
• 54:09
  Like I think it's just like being so immersed into horrible
• 54:16
  shit. Yeah.
• 54:16
  Everything that's death metal. It's just like it, it becomes
• 54:20
  who you are. But yeah, yeah.
• 54:22
  That first EP, it was like right off the top of my head.
• 54:26
  And then I was like, is, is that, does that work?
• 54:29
  And they're like, yeah, that works.
• 54:31
  And I was like, all right. But then I go back and I'm
• 54:33
  reading it and I'm like, well, this doesn't make sense.
• 54:36
  I was like, but it goes together.
• 54:37
  You know, early on there really wasn't much like thought because
• 54:41
  I was like, you know what? How serious can I be if I'm
• 54:46
  talking about like? That's what I love about you.
• 54:48
  Bizarre stuff like what I love. About it.
• 54:50
  It's fucking silly. Yeah, just own it.
• 54:54
  Exactly. You know, some stuff like there
• 54:57
  is a little conviction there. And I was like, I mean, every
• 54:59
  time I'm driving around my neighborhood, I I would hope
• 55:03
  like cars flip and like, because I have a short tolerance for a
• 55:07
  lot of people in the world, you know, so maybe some of it kind
• 55:11
  of bleeds into that. But like me and I'll be all, I'm
• 55:14
  very like, not that kind of guy. Like there's even some parts of
• 55:20
  like movies and stuff. I'm like, you know, let's skip
• 55:22
  this and watch something. Else.
• 55:24
  What do you skip? Well, I obviously like me and me
• 55:27
  and my wife watched Where the Crawdads Sing and it's like
• 55:30
  based on this book and there was like there's a rape scene and it
• 55:34
  and I was like, yo, can we just imply this happen and like Skip
• 55:39
  and she's like, OK, like that. And it's like.
• 55:42
  But at the same time, I think that like, you know, two of them
• 55:47
  mutilated is like a sick album. Yeah, you know, so.
• 55:50
  I I agree and like I get it. It's like when something is
• 55:55
  brutal and like real, it's like, no, this is not.
• 56:00
  As fucked but when? Something is out so over the top
• 56:03
  brutal. Yeah, that it's obviously a joke
• 56:06
  and it's obviously or it's an exaggeration.
• 56:08
  I'm like, this is fucking sick. Like I love gore movies.
• 56:12
  Like I love. Them.
• 56:13
  Oh yeah, same. And Madison hates them.
• 56:16
  Yeah, my wife hates. Them.
• 56:17
  Yeah, she doesn't like the vines.
• 56:18
  She reads her though. Oh, OK, She reads the the slutty
• 56:22
  ones. I guess that counts.
• 56:25
  Do you do the thing that I do, which is like if she's out of
• 56:27
  town for the weekend, it's like when I get my gore fixed.
• 56:29
  Yeah, she leaves and I'm like, right, What am I going to watch
• 56:32
  today? So I have AI, have a friend
• 56:34
  named Ricky and been friends for years.
• 56:37
  And there's this like movie theatre called Studio 35 and
• 56:41
  like they'll play like crazy horror movies.
• 56:44
  That's awesome. We'll go there and watch them.
• 56:46
  And it's like, I get it. I get it when I can and and then
• 56:52
  I'm just like, you know what my wife will like she'll let me
• 56:57
  like at least describe like what happened.
• 56:59
  This is similar, you know, but she's like, I can't believe you
• 57:02
  could watch that, Just like very similar.
• 57:05
  Like I mean I have a arc the clown tattoo.
• 57:08
  See, I've I've never seen Terra. Voia, they're great.
• 57:12
  I'm desperate to watch it but I it's never on my list when she's
• 57:15
  out of town so it needs to go on there.
• 57:17
  I didn't know it was like super super gory.
• 57:19
  I just thought it was like a clown horror film so I never
• 57:21
  watched it. Oh, it's pretty.
• 57:22
  It's pretty over the top. Everyone telling me it's fucking
• 57:24
  real. I mean I've mentioned this movie
• 57:26
  on the podcast a million times. Not A Serbian Film also
• 57:29
  mentioned on the podcast a lot. Have you seen the Sadness?
• 57:34
  OK, it's on Shudder, which I don't think in America means
• 57:37
  it's on. I've shudder.
• 57:38
  Oh, you've got of course you do fucking singer in a definite man
• 57:41
  called the sadness. Taiwanese OK Gore Fest.
• 57:45
  I'll check it out. It's like, is it dubbed or
• 57:48
  subtitled? It's subtitled.
• 57:49
  OK, sick. And it is, without spoiling
• 57:53
  anything, it's I think they made it just after the pandemic or
• 57:57
  during the pandemic. And so it's like A twist on, I'm
• 57:59
  not a big zombie movie guy, but it's like A twist on a zombie
• 58:04
  thing where there's this virus and it all it does is make you
• 58:08
  like deranged. OK.
• 58:11
  It's a fucking. Almost like 28 days later.
• 58:13
  Kind same vibe but less zombie E they're more like.
• 58:19
  Sad. Still deranged people, but not
• 58:23
  like there's no. I'll check it out, it's fucking
• 58:26
  sounds bad it. Might be a scene that you want
• 58:28
  to skip, assuming you write some lyrics, which you do, Yeah.
• 58:34
  Is it all just Can I think of the most horrible thing possible
• 58:40
  or is there any like metaphor in there?
• 58:43
  Some of it is, some of it there's definitely especially
• 58:47
  like when we were writing our second full length, you know, we
• 58:51
  had a big, big lineup change. And you know, like when, when we
• 58:57
  announced like our guitarist like departure, you know, we, we
• 59:01
  kind of did it so vague. So it left out like a lot of
• 59:03
  speculation. But really, that dude was a
• 59:09
  terrible person. Oh yeah.
• 59:11
  Oh yeah. So there is a song that that
• 59:16
  goes on the IT, it, it, it's kind of about him.
• 59:22
  And it's called Proclamation of the Frail.
• 59:25
  And it's just like it, I'll get it, I'll get it, I'll get
• 59:29
  personal. But there, there was a, there's
• 59:31
  a time in my life like I lived very like carelessly.
• 59:35
  I didn't, I kind of set the terms that like, I'm going to
• 59:39
  die young, you know, like my, the woman that practically
• 59:44
  raised me like passed away. And, you know, at that, at that
• 59:49
  moment, I, I couldn't find any purpose in life.
• 59:52
  And because she meant so much to me and I went through a lot of
• 59:57
  depressive like episodes and Cameron was huge alcoholic.
• 1:00:04
  And one time we're talking and he knows of this particular
• 1:00:10
  situation where I, I tried to commit suicide and he said what
• 1:00:19
  I told him word word for word verbatim, but made it about him.
• 1:00:27
  And I knew he was full of shit, but I just took it as such.
• 1:00:31
  So what he told someone else? He told me, he told you your.
• 1:00:37
  Story. Back to him, back back to me.
• 1:00:42
  Wow. Yeah, So that's just like one of
• 1:00:46
  the few things like I remember I'm like this dude's cooked when
• 1:00:50
  my grandmother passed, like I, I wanted to write a song kind of
• 1:00:55
  like about it. And he was like, no, just shut
• 1:01:01
  it down. It was, it was not, not just
• 1:01:03
  know like or give me any kind of explanation.
• 1:01:05
  He was very like cold about it. And when he exited the band, I
• 1:01:10
  was like, you know, I have enough freedom to do whatever I
• 1:01:13
  want. So that next record, I was like,
• 1:01:15
  I am going to write a song about that and I'm going to write a
• 1:01:17
  song that's loosely about you did.
• 1:01:20
  He get booted or did he quit? He quit, but he was on his way
• 1:01:24
  to getting booted. There was a lot of things that
• 1:01:27
  led up to it. But he sent us like a John Deere
• 1:01:31
  card, you know, like just a big text message.
• 1:01:35
  But I mean, there was just a lot like going on And for for
• 1:01:40
  literally like during COVID, we would meet each other up so
• 1:01:45
  often and then for seven months ghost, just a straight up ghost.
• 1:01:51
  He lives that the girl he was dating at the time, he lived so
• 1:01:54
  far up her ass, like he could see out of her mouth.
• 1:01:57
  So like we saw we saw it coming. We were like trying to confirm
• 1:02:02
  towards like, you know, our emails, like getting offers.
• 1:02:05
  And you know, back when COVID was just bad jokes, you know, it
• 1:02:09
  was like, it was like, oh, cool, like in a month we could still
• 1:02:12
  do this and we could do that. But, you know, we found out
• 1:02:16
  like, I was like, I was like, dude, why am I like, struggling
• 1:02:20
  to make ends meet? I'm making, I am working because
• 1:02:24
  like, I, my job is important. So like, I was still scheduling
• 1:02:28
  work and this dude's not working.
• 1:02:33
  And he's taking not only his girlfriend, but his friends out
• 1:02:37
  to the Columbus Blue Jackets games club seats.
• 1:02:41
  He's buying brand new tennis shoes, brand new guitars, all of
• 1:02:44
  this. It's because he was taking so
• 1:02:48
  much money from the band and just throwing it, you know, and
• 1:02:54
  we all had like our qualms with it, but we we just kept our
• 1:02:57
  mouth shut. And because he went ghost for so
• 1:03:00
  long, I like, we all just like went up to him and were like,
• 1:03:04
  dude, like this is kind of freaky.
• 1:03:06
  Like we really want to do this, you know?
• 1:03:09
  Is there any chance like you still do?
• 1:03:14
  And he was like, I don't know. And I was like, well, if you
• 1:03:16
  don't you we we deserve to hear that from like, we need to have
• 1:03:21
  that conversation. And he was like, he was like,
• 1:03:25
  I'll, I'll tell you whatever I think.
• 1:03:28
  And then it it was like months later and then he sends us this
• 1:03:32
  like big text message and exits out of the band chat.
• 1:03:36
  And then like, it sucked because like could have still I've been
• 1:03:43
  friends, you know, like, at least like.
• 1:03:46
  Even though he was stealing from me.
• 1:03:48
  I mean, depending on like where he was in his life, you know,
• 1:03:52
  like if, if he, if he faced hard times, it's like I can set stuff
• 1:03:56
  aside, you know, it's not like it's whatever I can look past.
• 1:04:00
  It you were after reconciliation.
• 1:04:02
  Exactly, I'm I give, I've noticed this about me in my
• 1:04:06
  life, like growing up, I'm the type of person like you need a
• 1:04:10
  place to stay. I got a couch, you need a shirt,
• 1:04:13
  take mine, you know, so I give a lot of people way more grace
• 1:04:16
  probably than they need to have. And but he, you know, he closed,
• 1:04:21
  he shut the door on all that and we moved on from that.
• 1:04:26
  The band became fun again and, and, and it seems like as time
• 1:04:31
  goes on, it becomes even more fun.
• 1:04:34
  So, and I've, I've grown to realize like, even though I've
• 1:04:37
  been the type of guy like seeing bands like change lineups and
• 1:04:40
  stuff, it's like, I mean, that sucks because back when they
• 1:04:43
  had, you know, back when Suffocation had Mike Smith and
• 1:04:47
  like Doug Cerrito, like it's, it's a whole different like ball
• 1:04:51
  game. And you know, now it's like, I
• 1:04:56
  get it, these line UPS change because life changes.
• 1:05:00
  And if the band needs to carry on, the band should carry on.
• 1:05:03
  Do you think that carries the same weight as it used to?
• 1:05:06
  Like you mentioned, like the Mike Smith suffocation thing,
• 1:05:09
  which for me was a big thing at the time, and I'm thinking about
• 1:05:12
  line up changes. Like you're saying, back in the
• 1:05:14
  day, I'd be like, oh, they're never going to be the same
• 1:05:16
  again. Yeah.
• 1:05:17
  You think people still care? Do you care if a band's line up
• 1:05:21
  changes? I don't know, like, no, but also
• 1:05:25
  kind of yes. Like I feel like people, I mean,
• 1:05:29
  for fuck's sake, we do this for a living.
• 1:05:31
  I feel like fans really like getting to know the members of
• 1:05:34
  the bands and what makes the band's music, what experiences
• 1:05:38
  they've put into this. And that is tied directly to the
• 1:05:42
  people in the band. And if the lineup changes, the
• 1:05:46
  song that they're playing may not mean as much to the other
• 1:05:49
  members, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:05:51
  Yeah, I think. To the fans perspective.
• 1:05:53
  I think I have a twisted view of the music industry right now as
• 1:05:57
  a faceless school. I feel it.
• 1:05:59
  Everyone's just like I want the product, I don't care about
• 1:06:02
  who's in it. But maybe I'm wrong.
• 1:06:04
  That could be the majority of people that aren't like way too
• 1:06:08
  tapped into music. But I mean for people that are
• 1:06:11
  like huge band, just geeks, like I think you know, there's like
• 1:06:17
  an identity thing. It's like bands change when
• 1:06:21
  members change sometimes. Like in the instance of like
• 1:06:25
  Cannibal Corpse, they did, they did a line up change in the 90s.
• 1:06:29
  It's so pinnacle like getting. Singer as well.
• 1:06:32
  Yeah, you know, someone that's like a face and not only just a
• 1:06:35
  singer, but like, you know, give Chris Barnes credit where it is
• 1:06:41
  due. Like he, he is just
• 1:06:43
  unrighteously shit on now and and I get it, I get it.
• 1:06:48
  He he he's lost some of it, whatever.
• 1:06:51
  But back in the day, he's the fucking man, you know, like, and
• 1:06:57
  you can't deny like those, those first 3 cannibal records are
• 1:07:01
  fucking amazing. And there's a reason why, like
• 1:07:03
  The Bleeding is still till this day their best selling record as
• 1:07:08
  a band. And it's like they were able to
• 1:07:11
  come out and do that and still and become bigger than ever.
• 1:07:16
  And it's like they're not losing that.
• 1:07:19
  They've done in a way to not lose any Steve's like even
• 1:07:22
  replacing Pat with Eric Rutan, who's a God goat.
• 1:07:28
  Yeah bro, like that? Record the first one when he
• 1:07:32
  joined is so fucking. Good.
• 1:07:34
  Oh, it's so sick. Oh, yeah.
• 1:07:35
  Violence to Matt. Yeah.
• 1:07:37
  I can't remember. The name Violence Reimagine.
• 1:07:38
  Reimagine something like that. I'm not good with album name.
• 1:07:43
  It's on my ring. That's so sick.
• 1:07:45
  The album work. The girl's face, that it.
• 1:07:49
  That's it. That's a sick as hell.
• 1:07:51
  Fucking clocks and colours sent me a fucking e-mail like you
• 1:07:54
  like Cannibal Corpse. I was like, yeah, you want
• 1:07:56
  Cannibal Corpse Ring? I was like, fuck yeah, I do.
• 1:07:58
  It's got a cannibal tat. I saw that.
• 1:08:00
  I want to fucking pop that up there.
• 1:08:02
  Hammer smash face. Fuck yeah.
• 1:08:04
  Fuck yeah. I saw a band relatively recently
• 1:08:08
  and they opened with the breakdown riff from Hammer Smash
• 1:08:12
  Face. That's bad.
• 1:08:13
  And it was just like Ring Out. It was a hardcore band.
• 1:08:16
  Ring Out, hammer, smash face and then first song I was like this
• 1:08:20
  is sick. This reminds me of like 2010.
• 1:08:22
  That's what's up, I mean. Reminds me of fucking 1993 or
• 1:08:25
  whatever. 991. When's When's that?
• 1:08:29
  When's Hammer Smash face 93? Can't remember.
• 1:08:32
  No one knows. We're still on lyrics.
• 1:08:34
  I'm sorry I went off. I have a particular question.
• 1:08:38
  Menstrual envy. Yeah.
• 1:08:42
  It's about a man having a period from his Dick.
• 1:08:44
  It is. It is where did.
• 1:08:46
  That come from. So the the title, it's crazy.
• 1:08:52
  I something I realized about our ban on unbeknownst to like I
• 1:08:57
  think everybody else is our titles are in reminiscent of
• 1:09:05
  Broken Hope titles from back in the day.
• 1:09:08
  And it's I think it's totally by mistake because that is a song
• 1:09:12
  that Cameron named and it's named after an art film that he
• 1:09:16
  watched. And he was just like, he's like,
• 1:09:20
  I just think that'd be a cool title run, run along with it.
• 1:09:23
  So I was like, OK, so instantly I'm thinking like a man infects
• 1:09:30
  his urethra with a parasite to where he just exudes blood and
• 1:09:38
  has to like put it into it. So like has to like bandage it
• 1:09:41
  or wear a pad and you know, like, because it's infected with
• 1:09:47
  the parasite, he's also experiencing like cramps and
• 1:09:51
  things of that nature. So I was like, you know what,
• 1:09:53
  like I can make it even deeper than that and like make it like
• 1:09:56
  a day of woman type thing where it's like, you know, women when
• 1:10:00
  they get to a certain age and hormones change, like, you know,
• 1:10:03
  they can experience irregular periods and menopause and you
• 1:10:08
  know, like touch, like their, their feelings are completely
• 1:10:11
  different. It really honestly like reads
• 1:10:13
  like a horrible empathy for women.
• 1:10:16
  Yes. So it was like, it was like this
• 1:10:19
  man who loves his woman so much. In a weird, twisted way, he's
• 1:10:24
  like, you know, you're, you're in your 50s, you're going
• 1:10:26
  through this. I'm going to go through with
• 1:10:29
  you. Yeah, I got that from the
• 1:10:32
  lyrics. I just wanted to check.
• 1:10:33
  It's fucking cool because I was like, oh, that's like really
• 1:10:36
  nice in a way. It's horrific lyrically, but
• 1:10:39
  it's real nice. And one band like, which I think
• 1:10:43
  is an amazing band that if you're in a death metal and you
• 1:10:47
  don't listen to this band, you're doing yourself a
• 1:10:49
  disservice. But Lord Worm era like
• 1:10:52
  Kryptopsy, which was literally. So you find out, you find out
• 1:10:58
  that Lord Wormwood just drink absinthe and just blurt out
• 1:11:03
  whatever. Like his patterns never made
• 1:11:05
  really any sense. Then him and Flo would go back
• 1:11:09
  and paint like a picture. So you you, you look up a song
• 1:11:14
  like like slit slit your guts. The way the lyrics are described
• 1:11:19
  as this like most beautiful, like moment in these people's
• 1:11:24
  lives. That's just completely
• 1:11:26
  horrifying. But the way it's described is
• 1:11:28
  like, you know, he'll say things like exquisite and things like
• 1:11:31
  that. So it's like, I wanted to make
• 1:11:32
  something in a way it's romantic, but also in a way it's
• 1:11:37
  like, what the fuck is this? Yep.
• 1:11:39
  It was. You nailed it.
• 1:11:41
  Absolutely fucking nailed you. Didn't matter.
• 1:11:44
  That's cracking up over that. Loves yourself romantic for me.
• 1:11:48
  When I get when I get a parasite for you real team?
• 1:11:52
  Yeah, probably. Hell yeah, I probably would.
• 1:11:56
  That's fucking awesome. The way I've written that I've
• 1:11:59
  just written menstrual envy, man period question mark.
• 1:12:04
  I feel like back in the day I would see and obviously on the
• 1:12:09
  Cannibal Corpse documentary and just from being oh, how old are
• 1:12:13
  you? I'll.
• 1:12:14
  Be 32 in September. Yeah, so I'm like I'm 3839 next
• 1:12:17
  week. Look great man.
• 1:12:19
  Still a kid? Fuck yeah.
• 1:12:23
  But I remember like all of the fucking who are about Cannibal
• 1:12:27
  Corpse, like when it happened pretty much.
• 1:12:30
  And in today's society, you would expect much more kickback
• 1:12:35
  from a new band who has grotesque lyrics, that's
• 1:12:41
  affectionate, grotesque. Do you seem to get away with it?
• 1:12:44
  Has there been any kickback? There has been some kickback
• 1:12:47
  like like in previous bands, like the one aforementioned Limb
• 1:12:50
  splitter, you know, those were themes and stuff that were a
• 1:12:54
  thing before I ever entered the band and they were very like far
• 1:12:58
  out there, like kind of like lividity or flesh Grind, like
• 1:13:01
  just crazy stuff that isn't something out right nowadays.
• 1:13:05
  Because I grew up and realized like there are people, even if
• 1:13:09
  it's like far fetched, it could resonate some weird things and
• 1:13:13
  some trauma. And I own up to that and I'm
• 1:13:16
  like, you know what? I'll make it so completely
• 1:13:19
  bizarre. But The thing is about like the
• 1:13:23
  album with minstrel envy. Tortured whole.
• 1:13:25
  Tortured whole, yeah. Whole with AW by the way.
• 1:13:28
  Yeah, yeah, it's that album is not gender confirming.
• 1:13:35
  Like it's, it's about men and women and like everybody.
• 1:13:42
  So like, you know, when it's like targeting women and it's
• 1:13:44
  like, all right, that's that's messed up, obviously.
• 1:13:47
  But like, OK, well, I have no problem with doing it to men,
• 1:13:51
  doing it to this, doing it to that.
• 1:13:54
  And then from that, I kind of like went into like, why don't I
• 1:13:57
  just make it like first person or make it about you doing this
• 1:14:02
  to you or dead people, You know, dead people can't say no.
• 1:14:06
  So. Yeah, it's free reign.
• 1:14:09
  The quote, fantastic. Right in the filth T-shirt,
• 1:14:14
  great T-shirt. Got him in loads of trouble.
• 1:14:15
  That's what I'm talking about. He used to get in trouble all
• 1:14:17
  the fucking time. I'm reading some of your lyrics.
• 1:14:19
  I'm like, why is this motherfucker not in trouble?
• 1:14:21
  Yeah, I don't. Want you to get in trouble.
• 1:14:22
  But kind of I do because I think it's awesome.
• 1:14:26
  I think like Satanic Panic being gone and like people being
• 1:14:30
  offended by death metal lyrics being gone.
• 1:14:33
  It's like kind of boring. Yeah.
• 1:14:35
  I mean, I think it's like, I mean, it's all LED up to
• 1:14:38
  something that's like, you know, in the, in the 80s you had the
• 1:14:42
  Satanic Panic and then in the 90s you had.
• 1:14:46
  Video nasties. Video nasties and like metal
• 1:14:51
  taking over billboard and you had trash TV.
• 1:14:54
  You had like, Geraldo and Jerry Springer, who's like, showing
• 1:14:58
  you things that you had to like, go to a certain town to go see,
• 1:15:03
  you know, in their neighborhood. And I think like that, that
• 1:15:07
  exposure that just things just get more extreme and more
• 1:15:11
  extreme. And it's now it's like, you hear
• 1:15:14
  this or see this, and it's like, yeah, that makes sense.
• 1:15:18
  There's a lot of that at the moment.
• 1:15:20
  But a lot of like desensitivity going on right now and it's
• 1:15:27
  pretty cool. So I mean, I at the same time,
• 1:15:30
  it's like I do, I do get some slack because like, you know,
• 1:15:35
  I'll write songs about certain serial killers or certain like,
• 1:15:40
  events in time. And it's like, oh, well, that
• 1:15:43
  was sexually motivated. And it was like, well, yeah, but
• 1:15:45
  like most serial killers are sexually motivated.
• 1:15:51
  So if you're not touching on it, it's like you're not doing it
• 1:15:53
  like any kind of justice. And aside from that, it's like
• 1:15:58
  just because I talk about it doesn't mean I don't have a
• 1:16:03
  problem with it. Yeah, it's like.
• 1:16:05
  I think it's fucked up too. Entertainment.
• 1:16:07
  It's like a horror movie. I've always, yeah, always taken
• 1:16:10
  death metal. Like particularly the the gross
• 1:16:13
  stuff as like a horror movie, right?
• 1:16:15
  Doesn't mean I want to do it. No listening to it.
• 1:16:18
  Oh no. And it's like so I mean, you
• 1:16:21
  could it, I could separate that. I would hope so.
• 1:16:26
  I would hope that most people can.
• 1:16:28
  And it's like, if you can't, then you're just a very close
• 1:16:33
  minded like kind of person and. Maybe the lady doth protest too
• 1:16:37
  much. Right.
• 1:16:38
  Like how? How fun are you?
• 1:16:40
  You know so. Comes down to how fun are you?
• 1:16:43
  I'll say this though, I'll say this like I'm certain you're
• 1:16:48
  talking about desensitivity, but like certain things that have
• 1:16:54
  happened at the moment, not going to fucking name them
• 1:16:56
  because I'll probably get demonetised.
• 1:16:59
  Certain files. I'll be honest, can't listen to
• 1:17:03
  Necro at the moment. Like Cannibal Corpse, it's a
• 1:17:07
  little bit too close to the bone.
• 1:17:09
  For sure, that's something I wouldn't ever like Exploit.
• 1:17:13
  There is a song on Tortured Whole called Dick Filet which is
• 1:17:17
  actually about torturing a. Abuser.
• 1:17:22
  Yeah. I don't know.
• 1:17:23
  I want Satanic panic back, really.
• 1:17:25
  I saw it coming back recently and I was like, yes, this is
• 1:17:27
  going to be sick. And then it went away.
• 1:17:29
  Yeah. I mean, I think just like, you
• 1:17:32
  know, politically in the world, there's a lot of, we're kind of
• 1:17:36
  entering almost like a second like era of Reagan, you know,
• 1:17:41
  kind of where things are getting policed.
• 1:17:43
  But we're also seeing like the people in charge are way more
• 1:17:49
  messed up than we are. If I talk about chainsawing
• 1:17:53
  people up, it's like now it just, it just sounds like I'm
• 1:17:58
  talking about something I found. Yeah, on the news.
• 1:18:01
  You know, like. A real thing, yeah.
• 1:18:04
  I can't figure out who's annoyed at the moment either.
• 1:18:06
  When everyone's annoyed about something, I feel like just
• 1:18:09
  everyone's annoyed about something, but no one's annoyed
• 1:18:12
  about cool shit. Get annoyed about death metal
• 1:18:15
  again, please. It'd be so much fun.
• 1:18:18
  So there's dispensaries, Nashville legal.
• 1:18:20
  Madison weed expert There's a dispensary next door.
• 1:18:24
  Yeah. Why?
• 1:18:26
  OK, so in Tennessee THCA, it is legal and it's a molecule away
• 1:18:33
  from being regular THC. So once you light it, it becomes
• 1:18:36
  THC. So that's the loophole.
• 1:18:37
  So yes, technically, but I will say from my experience from
• 1:18:41
  smoking for a very long time, I love smoke is my favorite thing
• 1:18:44
  to do. Actually.
• 1:18:45
  It's like the I what I would say is it it's like capped at the
• 1:18:50
  legal dose of THC so you don't get like I've never gotten
• 1:18:55
  violently high from THCA. It's like.
• 1:18:57
  She's a fucking tank. Like it's insane.
• 1:19:00
  Like 100 milligram edible. I couldn't do that.
• 1:19:02
  Doesn't touch the fucking sides. It's crazy.
• 1:19:04
  Asleep for an entire day. So yeah, it's not like delta
• 1:19:07
  THC, which is completely different.
• 1:19:10
  It is the minute you light it, which you're not allowed to do,
• 1:19:13
  that's illegal. So Madison doesn't do that.
• 1:19:17
  The minute you light it, it's THCA and the flame removes the
• 1:19:24
  molecule that makes it THCA, which makes it legal and it
• 1:19:28
  becomes THC. I'll be damned.
• 1:19:31
  Yeah, crazy. So yeah, Tennessee, you can get
• 1:19:34
  THCA. You just can't smoke it.
• 1:19:36
  I don't because I'm fucking mental.
• 1:19:37
  I cannot smoke weed. I used to back in the day.
• 1:19:41
  Oh yeah. Do you partake in the weeds?
• 1:19:43
  Well, it sounds like he does. Oh yeah, yeah, not as much as I
• 1:19:48
  used to, but like when my back like got messed up, I was
• 1:19:52
  eating, I was eating gummy and so like right before bed.
• 1:19:55
  Yeah. Because I've never, never in my
• 1:19:58
  life have taken an opiate or I've taken a muscle relaxer for
• 1:20:02
  the first time in my life like recently and just like literally
• 1:20:06
  slept for 12 hours. And that's why I.
• 1:20:09
  That's why I've never been interested in that stuff because
• 1:20:12
  I don't like feeling like slumped.
• 1:20:14
  My experiences with weed is like, it kind of like makes me
• 1:20:19
  almost manic to where like smoke.
• 1:20:22
  I want to clean my entire house. I want to rearrange my CDs.
• 1:20:26
  But none of the negativity from it because I get fucking that.
• 1:20:29
  But then also like I'm going to die.
• 1:20:30
  Everyone hates me. I'll get I'll get the parent if,
• 1:20:33
  if it becomes a regular occurrence, like I'll get the
• 1:20:35
  paranoia or like the second hand like depression.
• 1:20:40
  And then that's when I'm like, oh cool, I'm taking nine months
• 1:20:43
  off of it. You're a fucking That's a grown
• 1:20:46
  man's way of looking at it. Yeah, it took me a long way to a
• 1:20:50
  long time to get there. This is not in my questions, but
• 1:20:53
  I want to know. So you're obviously a horror
• 1:20:56
  fan. You got top five.
• 1:20:58
  That's in my favorite horror movie of all time.
• 1:21:02
  Is Evil Dead 2 dead by Dawn insane?
• 1:21:06
  Practical effects Gore. Oh yeah, it's got everything you
• 1:21:09
  want. It'd be like the classics.
• 1:21:11
  Like I also like the original Halloween of written written bog
• 1:21:16
  songs about that movie in particular.
• 1:21:19
  There's no blood in that one. Doesn't count as gore.
• 1:21:22
  True. Just horror though.
• 1:21:23
  Still horror, still horror. I think that's why I never got
• 1:21:26
  the Halloween movies. I think when I was a kid I
• 1:21:28
  watched them. I was like, where the fuck is
• 1:21:29
  all the blood? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:31
  Iconic fucking character though. Oh yeah, still holds up and then
• 1:21:36
  I don't know, it's hard to place.
• 1:21:41
  I like Hell Raiser 2A lot too. Hell Raiser 2 is a gem that
• 1:21:45
  people don't talk about. The fucking I am in hell, help
• 1:21:49
  me. Oh yeah in hell.
• 1:21:50
  Raiser 2 is so sick. Yeah, even though it's like more
• 1:21:55
  psychological and, you know, it's, there's a lot of depth to
• 1:22:00
  it, more than just like some kind of slasher Gorfos.
• 1:22:03
  I would say Stanley Kubrick's The Shining.
• 1:22:06
  Cool story about how I found The Shining was my uncle ran this
• 1:22:12
  like, booth at a flea market where he would resell like VHS
• 1:22:16
  tapes. When the building closed down, I
• 1:22:21
  was bestowed like a box of like a bunch of movies.
• 1:22:26
  So I am 10 years old and I'm given this big cardboard box
• 1:22:31
  that had like Fright night, Fright Night 2, Evil Dead, the
• 1:22:36
  platinum VHS. It had Evil Dead 2, it had Army
• 1:22:40
  of Darkness and it had The Shining which in the beginning
• 1:22:45
  of the movie is literally like an hour and a half long like
• 1:22:49
  behind the scenes making of. Oh awesome.
• 1:22:52
  And I just remember the old lady in the tub chasing Jack
• 1:22:56
  Torrance. Terrifying.
• 1:22:58
  And it made me fucking like gross.
• 1:23:02
  It just, it just repulsed me like entirely.
• 1:23:05
  Like as a kid I was like, why does she look like that?
• 1:23:07
  That's Fox. Was that your first horror
• 1:23:08
  movie? That was the first one that I
• 1:23:10
  was just like, this is going to make me sick, so I put that
• 1:23:12
  there. A bonus one that's not a horror
• 1:23:17
  movie would honestly be Pee Wee's Big Adventure.
• 1:23:20
  It's kind of spooky. The Large Marge scene scared the
• 1:23:24
  shit out you. Got Danny Elfman spooky fucking
• 1:23:26
  music all over it. Oh yeah, you haven't seen that?
• 1:23:29
  I haven't but. I do know the scenes talking.
• 1:23:31
  About in this, there's a banger. And then?
• 1:23:34
  You gave me 5. Doesn't matter.
• 1:23:36
  I'll take it. I.
• 1:23:37
  Mean Pee Wee's. That one doesn't count, yeah.
• 1:23:39
  Yeah, another Sam Raimi movie. Because I remember sneaking into
• 1:23:43
  a movie theatre to watch it because I wasn't old enough and
• 1:23:46
  it it kind of fucked with me. But drag me to hell I.
• 1:23:49
  Fucking love drag me to hell. I love that movie so much.
• 1:23:53
  Evil Dead and drag me to hell. Like both of them sum up in the
• 1:23:57
  same way. What I love about horrible, what
• 1:23:59
  I love about death metal. Like, he knows this is fucking
• 1:24:02
  silly, but there are elements of like, well, that's actually
• 1:24:05
  fucking. Scary.
• 1:24:06
  It's fucking terrifying, especially in the beginning when
• 1:24:09
  the kid gets ripped into the ground.
• 1:24:12
  Like right off RIP. You're like, oh, this is this is
• 1:24:15
  going to be bad. I remember I saw it in theaters
• 1:24:18
  and after that happens and then drag me to hell, just massive
• 1:24:22
  font comes up. I was just like, holy shit, I
• 1:24:26
  wish I'd made that. Like so just in your face side
• 1:24:29
  question and you can say no. Are you a Marvel guy at all?
• 1:24:33
  Yeah. I'm a recent Marvel guy.
• 1:24:39
  In the last year I watched every single Marvel movie and I hadn't
• 1:24:42
  seen it. I'd only seen like, Iron Man.
• 1:24:44
  Yeah, some of my fucking favourites are the Sam Raimi
• 1:24:48
  ones. Big time.
• 1:24:49
  Like Spider Man? But even fucking what was what
• 1:24:53
  we watching it? The one that was like
• 1:24:54
  universally panned was. It Doctor Strange.
• 1:24:57
  Yeah, the second Doctor Strange. And everyone was like, oh, this
• 1:24:59
  fucking sucks. And then I'm watching it and I'm
• 1:25:01
  like, this is fucking awesome. And then at the end I find out
• 1:25:04
  it's Sam Raimi. Like that kind of Evil Dead
• 1:25:06
  comedy still in there. Oh.
• 1:25:08
  Yeah, and I love when Bruce Campbell makes.
• 1:25:10
  Appearance that was that was the moment that Penny dropped.
• 1:25:12
  I was like, it's a samurai Amy again because he's fucking
• 1:25:15
  selling hot dogs or whatever it is.
• 1:25:16
  Exactly. He's always like a theatre usher
• 1:25:19
  or like a meter maid or just something so random and it's no,
• 1:25:25
  it's it's killer. And I loved, I also loved Ash
• 1:25:29
  versus Evil Dead. Never saw it.
• 1:25:30
  I didn't see it. Great, great sources, yeah.
• 1:25:33
  I love the bit in Multiverse of Madness, which is when I was
• 1:25:37
  like and again, I think on like Reddit or Marvel shit they were
• 1:25:40
  like that wouldn't happen. But for me is like a horror and
• 1:25:44
  I was like this is awesome. Have you ever gotten into so I
• 1:25:47
  like I also like like Marvel Knights like like movies.
• 1:25:51
  I'm not so like up to speed on but I I used to collect comic
• 1:25:55
  books and like 1 like particularly like brand or
• 1:26:01
  umbrella that I liked was Dark horse.
• 1:26:05
  Oh, they did. The Aliens and the Predator
• 1:26:07
  comics. Oh yeah, yeah.
• 1:26:08
  You know, being a 90s kid, it was, it was a big fan of the
• 1:26:13
  mask, like. Yeah, the mask.
• 1:26:15
  Yeah, so the the comic books are like way more like fucked up and
• 1:26:21
  like the mask, the mass returns, the mass strikes back.
• 1:26:24
  Like those are still some of my favorite like comic books of
• 1:26:28
  like all time. I feel like we had very similar
• 1:26:31
  like hobbies as kids because I used to die.
• 1:26:35
  I used to read Marvel and then I took a sabbatical when the
• 1:26:40
  movies came out. But I was so into before there
• 1:26:44
  was an Aliens versus Predator movie, there was Dark Horse did
• 1:26:49
  the Aliens comics and the Predator comics and then they
• 1:26:52
  did one which was Aliens versus Predator.
• 1:26:54
  And I was like, this is the coolest fucking shit I've ever
• 1:26:56
  seen in my life. Then they made a movie that was
• 1:26:58
  dog shit. Ripley Scott, Dude fucking I, I
• 1:27:02
  another just where my mind's going right now.
• 1:27:05
  One of my one of my best friends, Jeremy Wagner, he's in
• 1:27:09
  Broken Hope. I'm in a band with him called
• 1:27:11
  Earth Burner. He has a bunch of Geiger statues
• 1:27:19
  in his house. So he has, like Geiger, like
• 1:27:23
  theatre seats that are straight from the museum in Switzerland.
• 1:27:26
  I was going to say, have you been to the museum?
• 1:27:28
  He has them. He.
• 1:27:29
  Has them in his house. The real ones.
• 1:27:32
  Yeah, he dude, he has this one, this one like giant alien in in
• 1:27:40
  his house, in his in his theatre room that he outbidded Leonardo
• 1:27:46
  DiCaprio and an auction. That's amazing.
• 1:27:50
  My biggest miss out on bidding for something stupid but not
• 1:27:56
  that that stupid. And now you're saying it.
• 1:27:58
  I'm like, I'd love some Geiger chairs for the podcast.
• 1:28:01
  It'd be so sick. Business expense, really.
• 1:28:04
  Write it off. I'm fucking Googling that the
• 1:28:07
  minute I get home. I do.
• 1:28:09
  You remember the Larsoric toilet during the pandemic?
• 1:28:12
  The meme. I nearly bought it or 10 grand
• 1:28:17
  in Bitcoin. Don't fuck it away.
• 1:28:20
  I don't have that money anymore. By the way, Bitcoin didn't.
• 1:28:23
  It wasn't a Bitcoin, it was some joke coin, but I was going to
• 1:28:25
  change it into fucking Bitcoin. Pandemic boredom.
• 1:28:29
  I think it was Dodge. He nearly sold it to me and I
• 1:28:32
  got outbid by a Danish museum that bought it.
• 1:28:36
  Oh. Really.
• 1:28:36
  Yeah, damn, but I wanted it so bad.
• 1:28:39
  I was like, I'm waiting just for the bit.
• 1:28:42
  I'm glad it didn't happen. In fact, no, because I lost all
• 1:28:45
  that money because the coin shortly became worth nothing and
• 1:28:49
  at least I would have a Lhasa work toilet.
• 1:28:51
  The whole talk about like museums and bidding.
• 1:28:55
  Jeremy does have artifacts from what I what I would have to
• 1:29:00
  replace a movie for in my top five horror movies, but John
• 1:29:04
  Carpenter's The Thing has to be in.
• 1:29:06
  I think that's definitely in my top five maybe #1.
• 1:29:08
  Probably number one too. Yeah.
• 1:29:10
  I don't know how it completely slipped my mind, but he has the
• 1:29:15
  Thing Museum and a Jaws museum in his home.
• 1:29:20
  This guy's awesome. I need to be friends with him.
• 1:29:23
  I, I, I could, I should totally make that happen.
• 1:29:26
  But he's he also has what, like a lot of news articles and stuff
• 1:29:32
  like came out about him is he owns a big portion of Jeff
• 1:29:38
  Hanneman's estate. So he owned more than anybody.
• 1:29:42
  He owns like a lot of like Hanneman's like guitars.
• 1:29:46
  He's still he has the Marshall head that looks like a Heineken,
• 1:29:50
  still the only purse, the last person to touch the knobs.
• 1:29:54
  It's Haneman. So it's all of his settings.
• 1:29:56
  So this guy's just like a collector.
• 1:29:57
  Of huge collector. Did he get any?
• 1:30:01
  He's got what you think he has. He has, he has his dad's like,
• 1:30:07
  like, you know his, you know, Haneman's dad fought in World
• 1:30:10
  War 2. And if you, if you know anything
• 1:30:13
  about a lot of people, a lot of soldiers who hit battle, when
• 1:30:18
  you kill somebody, it's like capture the flag.
• 1:30:20
  You take patches, you take medals, you take helmets, take
• 1:30:24
  it back with you. It's almost like like a trophy
• 1:30:27
  in a way. And he's got the evil shit.
• 1:30:29
  There there's a World War 2 helmet that was hit by a bullet
• 1:30:34
  that still has the bullet bullet hole in it like completely
• 1:30:39
  through. So it just fucked somebody.
• 1:30:41
  You know, he has that and he has like a couple like medals and
• 1:30:46
  and things of that of that nature.
• 1:30:49
  And but yeah, he has he has like the first ever Slayer flyer that
• 1:30:55
  was hand drawn by Carrie King. That's fucking amazing.
• 1:30:58
  He has the Def Jam Records, Def Jam Recordings varsity jackets
• 1:31:04
  that Slayer was gifted by Rick. Rubin I know the ones.
• 1:31:07
  Yeah. So that's a grail.
• 1:31:10
  Dude, he's the man, like, and it's in his Slayer museum is
• 1:31:16
  like the bottom level of his home.
• 1:31:20
  And it doesn't show up on any like of the blueprints.
• 1:31:22
  It was like an addition that he added.
• 1:31:24
  And he he was like, you know, I'm trying to think of a name
• 1:31:27
  like what to call it. And I was like, I was like,
• 1:31:30
  dude, I was like, we had to go all the way downstairs.
• 1:31:33
  And he's like, yeah, I was like South of heaven.
• 1:31:36
  Like you got to come on now right there.
• 1:31:38
  People come and see the shit. There when when he has people
• 1:31:41
  over, you know, it's like I the first time I went, I was like, I
• 1:31:46
  was like, So what all you have of Hannemann and he was like,
• 1:31:50
  and he's like, whatever you want to see, bro.
• 1:31:52
  And I was like, I was like, I want to see everything, man.
• 1:31:54
  You know, So showed me all the guitars and he's like picking
• 1:31:57
  them up and he's like, check this out.
• 1:31:59
  So I'm like literally like putting it over my shoulder and
• 1:32:01
  everything. And I don't know the first
• 1:32:03
  fucking thing about a guitar, but I was just like, dude, this
• 1:32:05
  wrote Angel of Death, you know, So, and he's got, he's got a
• 1:32:10
  bunch of stuff, man. Like he's got the Raiders guitar
• 1:32:12
  that he used to rock. He should be doing like charging
• 1:32:16
  people entry. That's a that's a real museum.
• 1:32:19
  Oh yeah. I think what's even cooler is
• 1:32:21
  like he does it because he loves the history.
• 1:32:26
  You know, he loves Slayer so much.
• 1:32:28
  He's like, I got to have those. And it's like if I had that kind
• 1:32:32
  of, you know, payroll, like I'd be doing probably the same
• 1:32:35
  thing. And it's really just for him to
• 1:32:38
  show people that would appreciate it more so than
• 1:32:41
  people that would like. I'd pay to see those.
• 1:32:42
  That's how I felt about the last toilet.
• 1:32:44
  And I was like, imagine just whipping that out, Come on.
• 1:32:49
  Because people were sending me that meme and I was like, you
• 1:32:51
  guys don't even know. I'm in the process of buying
• 1:32:54
  this. Right now, let's see.
• 1:32:56
  So many people were sending it to me to do my laser work.
• 1:32:59
  Museum. You know what this or that is?
• 1:33:01
  Oh yeah, because you have I. Did this recently.
• 1:33:04
  You did, but you didn't do this one.
• 1:33:06
  OK? It's just for the socials bit.
• 1:33:08
  For the socials. You did one.
• 1:33:10
  It was like the most underground brutal death metal ones.
• 1:33:13
  I was sick. This is not that, OK?
• 1:33:16
  We are. We're a commercial thing right
• 1:33:19
  now. It's got to be so where people
• 1:33:21
  really, which is. Going to make it even harder for
• 1:33:23
  me though. No, it's not OK.
• 1:33:25
  Trust me, this is going to be easy, OK, We're going to do this
• 1:33:27
  or that. But in honor of one of the most
• 1:33:31
  iconic recent unreadable logos, these aren't going to be
• 1:33:35
  unreadable, but we're going to do this or that.
• 1:33:37
  Death metal logos, OK? Because you obviously appreciate
• 1:33:41
  a death metal logo. I fucking love a death metal
• 1:33:43
  logo. Every bit of downbeat merch big
• 1:33:46
  time is usually a RIP. So it's just, which do you
• 1:33:49
  prefer as a logo? Morbid Angel or Vader?
• 1:33:54
  Morbid Angel, it's got more to it.
• 1:33:56
  Morbid Angel or obituary? Morbid Angel fucked up putting
• 1:34:04
  morbid Angel first. It's the one that I thought of
• 1:34:07
  first. Morbid Angel or Nile?
• 1:34:11
  I'd say Morbid Angel, Yeah, it's more metal.
• 1:34:13
  Great, great. One of my favorite death metal
• 1:34:15
  bands. Logo kind of whatever.
• 1:34:17
  OK, Morbid Angel or Bloodbath? Bloodbath.
• 1:34:21
  Football. Shaped.
• 1:34:22
  So good bloodbath or cattle decap.
• 1:34:27
  Cattle Decap a lot. And I know the guy that created
• 1:34:31
  it, Nevada. He's the man.
• 1:34:32
  It's a cool logo. OK, Cattle decapitation or
• 1:34:35
  decapitated? All right, if we're going just
• 1:34:40
  logos, Cattle decapitation. OK, Cattle decap or party
• 1:34:45
  cannon. Cattle Decapitation?
• 1:34:48
  That one's silly. Thoughts on that on the party
• 1:34:52
  cannon logo? I love those guys.
• 1:34:54
  I do love those guys. Played with them before I was
• 1:34:58
  even in BOG. I think they practiced next to
• 1:35:00
  me when I used to live in Scotland.
• 1:35:01
  Oh yeah. I personally love the fucking
• 1:35:03
  logo. It's hilarious when you see one
• 1:35:06
  of those like 20 man bills. Everyone's got a death metal
• 1:35:10
  logo and they're just like. Boom and the party didn't have
• 1:35:13
  album art where the dudes like Confetti genius.
• 1:35:16
  The guy that does used to do the the product photography for the
• 1:35:20
  downbeat. He does their videos shout out
• 1:35:24
  Callum. OK, so cattle decapitation or
• 1:35:26
  death? Death.
• 1:35:29
  It's fucking iconic. Oh yeah.
• 1:35:32
  Ripped was careful enough to change some bits.
• 1:35:37
  OK, death or day aside. Deicide Decent's one of my
• 1:35:43
  favorite death metal bands, period dude.
• 1:35:47
  I thought they might be. Yeah.
• 1:35:48
  You got a little bit of a young Glenn Benton vibe about you.
• 1:35:51
  Oh. Really.
• 1:35:52
  Yeah, the burnout fucking cross. You could I could do it a aside
• 1:35:56
  or Cannibal Corpse 1995 onwards. Cannibal.
• 1:36:09
  So Cannibal corpse 1995 onwards or Cannibal corpse OG?
• 1:36:15
  OG. That's it.
• 1:36:17
  There you go through the winners.
• 1:36:19
  And. It's the one I got tattooed.
• 1:36:21
  On in my opinion, I think you've done that perfectly right.
• 1:36:24
  Oh yeah. That was fun for me.
• 1:36:26
  I've closed that. Like I didn't have more
• 1:36:29
  questions. I fucking do incarceration.
• 1:36:32
  Is that in Columbus? Mansfield.
• 1:36:34
  Mansfield, does that count? It's like an hour north.
• 1:36:38
  Fucking look at the rage there. Yeah, it's like an hour South
• 1:36:42
  of. Between.
• 1:36:43
  Yeah, but for you at a festival does that cuz you're playing it
• 1:36:47
  this year, correct? Does.
• 1:36:48
  That Sonic temples in Columbus. Oh, not just playing that one.
• 1:36:53
  We played it last year, played it last year, but it's still
• 1:36:55
  Danny Wimmer. Was that like a hometown
• 1:36:57
  fucking? It was insane, Yeah.
• 1:37:00
  I couldn't map it out, but from where we played, from the stage,
• 1:37:04
  it just went miles and miles back and everyone was telling us
• 1:37:10
  like that was the most packed that stage was.
• 1:37:13
  And it's like where where I live, I could it was like a
• 1:37:17
  stone throw from Crew Stadium. And so it was like always like a
• 1:37:23
  dream of mine as a kid. Like back then it used to be
• 1:37:26
  called Rock on the Range. I was at the same festival.
• 1:37:28
  I didn't. Know that and so like I would be
• 1:37:31
  like damn, it'd be so cool. Like they would have like a
• 1:37:33
  local band spotlight, but they would play like a tent stage and
• 1:37:37
  like it was nothing like really nothing to wave a stick at, but
• 1:37:41
  to play with like big bands and homies and play a big stage like
• 1:37:47
  at the stadium was like fucking big Dick swinging.
• 1:37:51
  It was so sick. And then my literally like my
• 1:37:54
  dad, my my grandma and my friend Ross, who ordained my wedding is
• 1:38:01
  their childhood friends, like, and then we get done playing and
• 1:38:05
  I have like a group of people who only knew me from growing up
• 1:38:10
  had no idea, like what I've been doing.
• 1:38:12
  And years later, run to me like, dude, what?
• 1:38:18
  You know. And I'm like, I'm like, yeah,
• 1:38:20
  man, I'm I grew up to be cooler than you.
• 1:38:22
  Yeah, I have no idea, you know, so.
• 1:38:24
  I had that when so Reading Festival is like the big one
• 1:38:27
  where I'm from from reading and the the day I played that same
• 1:38:31
  thing so sick and they're like assuming you are so rich because
• 1:38:36
  of it. Oh yeah, yeah.
• 1:38:37
  Oh my God, you're like a fucking rock star now.
• 1:38:40
  So yeah, we got a grand. So easy to find your band.
• 1:38:44
  There it is. I can read it snuffed on site.
• 1:38:48
  We're all playing the same stage out.
• 1:38:49
  There and Theos fucking the bog. I don't even know who that is.
• 1:38:55
  Up peeling flesh. What a day.
• 1:38:56
  What a day for tiny snare drums. Oh yeah?
• 1:38:59
  Fuck yeah. Little 10 inch Toms cosplay as
• 1:39:02
  snare drums. We'll be there.
• 1:39:04
  We're going to be there at the podcast, Yeah.
• 1:39:06
  So maybe we can work out a little.
• 1:39:08
  You and Cody double team fucking not like that but come back on.
• 1:39:13
  So there is something I got to announce about the Lamb of God
• 1:39:15
  Swear Go. And we were talking about lineup
• 1:39:17
  changes and stuff like as far as the band goes and everything,
• 1:39:23
  you know, in, in Europe because Ced, our guitar player couldn't
• 1:39:27
  make it because of the visa issues.
• 1:39:32
  We had our friend Eric step in from Suffocation and Blind
• 1:39:36
  Witness and dude's the man. You know, we are using that same
• 1:39:43
  lineup on the Lamb of God's where, you know, everything's on
• 1:39:47
  good terms. Cedric and us, we're, we're all
• 1:39:50
  really good friends. You know, that time off, you
• 1:39:53
  know, there's some changes, some life changes.
• 1:39:56
  And it was like a mutual decision.
• 1:40:00
  Moving forward with the band live, Cody will be playing
• 1:40:03
  guitar. Cody will also be playing drums,
• 1:40:06
  you know, on certain tours when he has to.
• 1:40:10
  And he's going to be playing drums on our records and writing
• 1:40:13
  drums. But you know, moving forward,
• 1:40:17
  like the writing is going to be between me, Cody.
• 1:40:22
  And Drew and Eric is going to be stepping and doing drums for
• 1:40:26
  this Lame of God tour. And I promise when I say it is
• 1:40:32
  the most locked in that we've ever sounded as a band.
• 1:40:35
  He's a fucking freak. You've got to be to be in
• 1:40:38
  fucking suffocation. Yeah, like in Mike Smith shoes.
• 1:40:41
  Yeah, and he, and you know, it's funny, he's been consistently in
• 1:40:45
  Suffocation longer than any drummer they've had before.
• 1:40:48
  So he's been in the band longer than Dave Koros, Mike Smith,
• 1:40:53
  Doug Bone, you know, you name it.
• 1:40:56
  And Kevin Talley and he's, he's the man.
• 1:41:01
  I mean, I remember the first band I was ever in, that drummer
• 1:41:04
  was like obsessed with Eric Murati.
• 1:41:06
  And now it's like full circle. I'm going to be touring with him
• 1:41:09
  regularly and he kills it. And he plays he he does Cody's
• 1:41:16
  parts justice. And Cody's still on stage.
• 1:41:19
  And Cody's still on stage. And look over and be like, yes,
• 1:41:22
  that was good. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:41:23
  I mean, he stands on the drum riser sometimes.
• 1:41:25
  He's like, you're doing good, you're doing good, you got it.
• 1:41:28
  That's fucking awesome. It's going to, it's going to be
• 1:41:30
  bad ass and it's probably the tightest like anybody has ever
• 1:41:35
  heard us, man, because we got someone like Cody who is
• 1:41:39
  primarily A guitarist rocking guitar on stage.
• 1:41:43
  And we have Eric who literally from sunup to sundown just wants
• 1:41:46
  to play drums and playing drums. So it's it's going to be
• 1:41:51
  amazing. I'm stoked.
• 1:41:53
  I'll see you there at both things.
• 1:41:55
  I'll be at the Lamb of God show and be at incarceration.
• 1:41:58
  Thanks for coming on, mate. Oh yeah, I've had a great time.
• 1:42:00
  Have you? Had a blast man.
• 1:42:02
  I will see you next time. Thank you.
• 1:42:04
  Getting frame mobbed now, goodbye.