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Growing Up as NBA Star & Jazz Icon Wayman Tisdale’s Daughter – Danielle Tisdale | Born To The Game Podcast · Born To The Game Podcast

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  Speaker 1: I had to introduce my dad, and so my mom
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  Speaker 1: wrote the bio and so I'm reading it and I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, like the number two first round
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  Speaker 1: draft picked.
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  Speaker 2: And I said huh.
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  Speaker 3: And the whole room, of course, erupted in laughter because
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  Speaker 3: they could tell me this is one.
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  Speaker 4: Till the game.
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  Speaker 5: Deep me in rebeating mine with the president peak. We're
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  Speaker 5: running a bus and the time last time was slang
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  Speaker 5: read a sign.
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  Speaker 2: This why we be along on.
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  Speaker 5: To the game, carrying in the plane. It goes to
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  Speaker 5: the past. But they tell me do day and we
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  Speaker 5: ride that proclaim this is on to the day last.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to Born to the Game. Produced by Arcamedia Group
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  Speaker 3: in collaboration with Inflection Network and distributed through iHeartRadio. This
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  Speaker 3: is the space where the children of iconic athletes, entertainers,
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  Speaker 3: and cultural figures share the truth behind legacy, not just
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  Speaker 3: what their parents did, but who they were and how
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  Speaker 3: that legacy continues. Today's guest carries one of the most
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  Speaker 3: unique legacies we've ever featured. Her father, Wyman Tisdale, was
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  Speaker 3: a standout NBA player and a gifted jazz musician whose
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  Speaker 3: music reached people far beyond basketball.
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  Speaker 2: But more than his accolades.
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  Speaker 3: He was known for joy the way he loved, laughed,
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  Speaker 3: smiled and lived. Please welcome, Danielle Tisdale. Welcome, Hey girl,
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  Speaker 3: I really want to like scream, but like it's kind
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  Speaker 3: of rough here, but hey, says welcome. We're so happy
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  Speaker 3: to have you.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: We always call other like NBA kids cousins, and that's
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  Speaker 3: my cousin, you know, so glad to have you with us.
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  Speaker 2: I'm happy to here all the way.
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  Speaker 3: You just got back from Tulsa, Tulsa. It was a
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  Speaker 3: long journey back, but we're here. We got some beautiful weather. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: it's gorgeous, laeous, feeling like springtime. Okay, okay, it's nice,
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  Speaker 3: got some sun in the skin. So we're going to
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  Speaker 3: dive into just your life being Wayman Tisdale's daughter. So
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  Speaker 3: when was the first time you realized dad was a
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  Speaker 3: big deal in the NBA world.
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  Speaker 1: I would probably have to say it was probably middle
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  Speaker 1: school and God still, and that was when my dad
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  Speaker 1: was playing with the sons and there we had like
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  Speaker 1: something like a pep rally because it was a school
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  Speaker 1: that was from preschool all the way through twelfth grade,
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  Speaker 1: so we had a pep rally. But it was like
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  Speaker 1: in like partnership with FCA, which is at the time
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  Speaker 1: was a Fellowship of Christian Athletes, and so I had
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  Speaker 1: to enter deduced my dad and so my mom wrote
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  Speaker 1: the bio and so I'm reading it and I was like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like the number two first round draft pick, and I
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  Speaker 1: said huh. In the whole room of course erupted and
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  Speaker 1: laughter because they could tell. That was the first time
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  Speaker 1: I figured out that I received that piece of information.
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  Speaker 2: So it was middle school, so I think that was
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  Speaker 2: seventh grade. Seventh grade.
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  Speaker 3: That's actually a really funny story to realize that your
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  Speaker 3: dad a.
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  Speaker 2: Lot of stuff going on.
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  Speaker 3: When did this happen? Like, why didn't y'all tell me this? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I was always a basketball fan because I'm a daddy's girl,
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  Speaker 1: so like I was always trying to go to a
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  Speaker 1: game or go to practice. So I was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: well aware of what was going on as far as
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  Speaker 1: the game, but I just didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Put the two together for whatever reason.
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  Speaker 4: So he did go.
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  Speaker 2: So you did go to practice with your dad.
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  Speaker 3: I'll do everything. Did you get a lot of new
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  Speaker 3: best friends after you read?
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  Speaker 2: Of course?
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  Speaker 1: But you know what was so strange about the school though,
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  Speaker 1: it was like a lot of like high profile like
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  Speaker 1: children like Glenn Campbell's kids in my class. Like it
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  Speaker 1: was just it was a different Yeah, Like I was
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  Speaker 1: a couple of guys that played baseball because Arizona a
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  Speaker 1: lot of like I didn't know at the time, but
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  Speaker 1: a lot of athletes retire there, so their kids were.
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  Speaker 2: We were all just kind of in school together.
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  Speaker 3: So do you have a favorite memory of watching him play?
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  Speaker 1: You can remember, Okay, I was and this was right
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  Speaker 1: before he retired.
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  Speaker 2: I was in the eighth grade and.
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  Speaker 1: I got to go on a road trip because the
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  Speaker 1: Colangelo's were really cool.
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  Speaker 2: That was the owners of the team.
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  Speaker 1: They like were really family oriented, so like if you know,
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  Speaker 1: we could travel with the team.
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  Speaker 2: So I got to go to Dallas. My dad's sister.
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  Speaker 1: Was there, so I got to visit cousins and family,
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  Speaker 1: and I'll never forget.
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  Speaker 2: He shot the winning point and I was there, and
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  Speaker 2: that was really cool.
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  Speaker 3: Was the reaction and You're like, that's my dad.
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  Speaker 1: I completely lost it And it was so cool because
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  Speaker 1: it was like an assist from Jason Kidd. He was
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  Speaker 1: the point guard at the time, and in the interview
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  Speaker 1: he was just like Waymon's always been a score. I
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  Speaker 1: know who to get the ball, I knew how I
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  Speaker 1: had to get the ball to and I was just like,
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  Speaker 1: that's so cool because my dad we started on the
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  Speaker 1: small market, so we didn't win a lot. So like
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  Speaker 1: when we got to Phoenix, he finally got to win
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  Speaker 1: because like Boston wanted him. Before there was the last trade,
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  Speaker 1: a couple of teams were trying and he was just like,
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  Speaker 1: before I leave, I want to go somewhere and win.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even care if I play a lot because
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  Speaker 1: at the time, the Sons were stacked. It was like
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  Speaker 1: Charles Barkley, Mike Finley, Steve Nash, Dan Marley.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like they were loaded.
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  Speaker 1: So that was really special because he was like a
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  Speaker 1: super vet by that time, but he won the game.
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  Speaker 3: Did you have a player that was your favorite outside
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  Speaker 3: of your dad?
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  Speaker 1: Did you have a little c oh? Absolutely? Alan, So
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  Speaker 1: who is yours?
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  Speaker 2: Kobe Bryant and they're like, who else?
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  Speaker 3: It's like posters on my wall always Kobe. I actually
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  Speaker 3: have a picture from me and being in the tunnel
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  Speaker 3: because we were playing the Lakers and.
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  Speaker 2: My dad was like, oh God, you want me to walk.
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  Speaker 1: To the other side, And I was like yes, take
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  Speaker 1: me to the other side now the gym, so I
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  Speaker 1: can go to meet because if anybody knows, the guys
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  Speaker 1: are on opposite sides of the arena. So he walked
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  Speaker 1: me over because it was like a Christmas game. I
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  Speaker 1: remember I hopped in that picture so quick, and my
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  Speaker 1: cousins were with me because they were so excited because
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  Speaker 1: they got to meet.
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  Speaker 2: They wanted to.
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  Speaker 1: Meet Shaquille, and Shaquille like palmed one of my cousin's
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  Speaker 1: heads and he was like, oh, like they have all
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  Speaker 1: these memories.
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  Speaker 3: But I just was trying to get close to Kobe Bryant. Girl,
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  Speaker 3: I mean that's a memory now, that is Kobe's iconic Yes, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That was He was probably in a course MJ because
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  Speaker 1: we got to live through the area. He was like
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  Speaker 1: just he was what Lebron was so like it was
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  Speaker 1: just if you love the sport, it was like it
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  Speaker 1: was it was like literally watching magic happen. So that
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  Speaker 1: was also always the thing I would always get to go,
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  Speaker 1: even if it was a school night, to see the
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  Speaker 1: Bulls play.
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  Speaker 3: So what were some of the challenges that you faced
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  Speaker 3: with Dad being part of the NBA.
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  Speaker 1: Like Tamara said, just wondering if people really wanted to
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  Speaker 1: be your friend, or if they were just interested in proximity,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and just being awkward. Because also at the time,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, I tell you myself, it's the nineties
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  Speaker 1: and the early two thousands, so it's like.
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  Speaker 6: That's our tokay at the time, like we lived in
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  Speaker 6: areas that weren't necessarily highly integrated.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So like just going through awkward changes. When you
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  Speaker 2: say awkward changes, what do you mean, just.
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  Speaker 1: Like adolescent growing up liking boys, but none of the
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  Speaker 1: boys looked like not to.
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  Speaker 3: It's all the things that it's like, okay.
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  Speaker 1: So that was one of the things that was a challenge,
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  Speaker 1: and I always I also like, don't blame them because
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  Speaker 1: I feel like our parents, a lot of them especially
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  Speaker 1: were like you know, first generation wealth, so like they
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  Speaker 1: were just doing they wanted to give us more than
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  Speaker 1: they had, and so whatever that looked like, they wanted
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  Speaker 1: to provide it, whether it would be the best schools,
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  Speaker 1: the best the best dance classes, whatever we wanted to do, they.
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  Speaker 2: Wanted to support it to the full extent. So I
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  Speaker 2: would say that is hard.
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  Speaker 1: But with that, that's the crutch because it's like we
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  Speaker 1: all grew up with this like fictitious safety man.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, you know.
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  Speaker 3: The media wasn't the same as it was back then
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  Speaker 3: compared to what it is now. Did you experience the
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  Speaker 3: negative side of the media surrounding your dad when you
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  Speaker 3: were growing up in it?
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  Speaker 1: I'm curious now that part would stink because in Sacramento
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  Speaker 1: he was the franchise, like honey, when I say, like,
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  Speaker 1: we couldn't buy a game like it was for a while.
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  Speaker 1: I remember coming to school and this guy I can't remember,
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  Speaker 1: some kid, He's just like.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they said you did.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like his teammates are really sticking it up
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  Speaker 1: and they don't even know why he's getting paid the
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  Speaker 1: way he's getting paid. And I'm sitting here thinking like, bro,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just asking this guy to take me to the
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  Speaker 1: mall after score. So like I don't care about his
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  Speaker 1: job like you're talking about my dad job performance.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even I don't care about care about it
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  Speaker 2: like that.
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  Speaker 3: And all he's doing is repeating when he hurt his
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  Speaker 3: mom exactly or reporter.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, so that part of it would be different.
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  Speaker 1: I'm grateful it's not as quick as it was. But
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  Speaker 1: also on the flip of it. I feel like it's
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  Speaker 1: a two edged sword because now with it being so fast,
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  Speaker 1: I like that the guys do have a platform with
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  Speaker 1: socials to.
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  Speaker 2: Just be able to be like, that's not what I meant.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I said this, they changed my words because you
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  Speaker 1: have to think back in the nineties, it would just
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  Speaker 1: be like the reporter could write whatever they.
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  Speaker 3: Wanted it and it was stuck to yep. So even
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  Speaker 3: through those times, your dad, the highs and the lows,
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  Speaker 3: your dad is known for someone who carried joy through
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  Speaker 3: it all.
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  Speaker 2: So how was that?
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  Speaker 3: Like was that how he's always been, you know, just
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  Speaker 3: always just being so positive and uplifting? Is that always
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  Speaker 3: how you remembered him being? That was truly who he was?
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  Speaker 3: Like he was just a good time.
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  Speaker 1: I remember friends asking like, does he get grumpy?
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  Speaker 2: And I said, if that was the case.
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  Speaker 3: We would never have a good day moment, you know.
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  Speaker 1: But he was always jovial, and he was always a
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  Speaker 1: guy to see the glasses half full and not half empty.
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  Speaker 2: And if there was.
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  Speaker 1: Any way to make someone smile or make someone feel
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  Speaker 1: valued or like they mattered, he was going to do it.
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  Speaker 1: Strangely enough, after he passed, he was inducted to the
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  Speaker 1: Oklahoma Hall of Fame, and this lady came to me
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  Speaker 1: and she said, I my son met your dad when
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  Speaker 1: he was Your dad was like a freshman in college
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  Speaker 1: and we knew someone who worked at Lloyd Noble Arena,
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  Speaker 1: so we got him to come in and she was like,
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  Speaker 1: your dad was there before practice and after. So after
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  Speaker 1: he saw my son sit it in the rafters and
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  Speaker 1: he came up and sat and talked with them, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, they had a moment. And she said it
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  Speaker 1: was so interesting then because she said, to be such
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  Speaker 1: a young man, he has such an emotional compass that
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  Speaker 1: it was just like, Wow, this is a cool kid.
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  Speaker 1: And so I just feel like I said all that
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  Speaker 1: to say that's just who he was, Like, it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: that's just him. It wasn't like an act.
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  Speaker 3: So naturally he always just happy, happy to be alive.
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  Speaker 2: And at the best smile.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the first thing Dad always says when he
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  Speaker 3: talks about your father. Wayman at the best smile. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: just filled with so much joy and it lit up
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  Speaker 3: every room. So as he's transitioning out of basketball and
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  Speaker 3: he's going into music, now, can you talk us to
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  Speaker 3: at least before I hand it off to Tamara, tell
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  Speaker 3: us when his love for music started? Did it start
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  Speaker 3: before basketball? During basketball? Like, how did you see him
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  Speaker 3: transition from being this big superstar NBA player to now
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  Speaker 3: a jazz musician.
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  Speaker 1: Well, music was always a thing for us in our house.
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  Speaker 1: My dad was the baby, so he and he was
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  Speaker 1: the tallest. My grandpa was a minister, and so my
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  Speaker 1: dad was like, I think between eighth grade ninth grade
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  Speaker 1: he almost literally grew a foot, and so he was like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to sing any choir, but everybody knows
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  Speaker 1: if you're a PK, you got to serve at church.
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  Speaker 1: So my grandpa came home from the thirst store and
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  Speaker 1: he bought a base and he handed it to him
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  Speaker 1: and he said, well, since you don't want to sing,
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  Speaker 1: figure out how to play it.
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  Speaker 2: So he taught hisself how to play.
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  Speaker 1: So, if the truth be told, basketball made room for music.
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  Speaker 1: So everybody thinks it's the other way around, and the
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  Speaker 1: music bug was always there.
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  Speaker 2: It's so funny.
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  Speaker 3: I was talking to a friend of our staff, was
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  Speaker 3: I Herb Williams, And her Ude was like, yeah, we
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  Speaker 3: would be leaving. He was a rookie.
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  Speaker 1: We'd be like in New York and he'd be leaving
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  Speaker 1: like shoot around to go to like sessions, like you know,
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  Speaker 1: studio sessions with Miles Davis, or he had a friend
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  Speaker 1: that knew like Luther Vandrozen. Like he just was doing
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  Speaker 1: whatever he could to be like in and out. So
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  Speaker 1: it was always a thing because he was telling them.
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  Speaker 1: And then I didn't know he played at their wedding
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  Speaker 1: because he was like he had a band and he
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: was like he told him like, oh, my friend can play,
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: let him play.
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  Speaker 2: But he was playing at herb's wedding, Yes and steps.
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  Speaker 1: So it was like all these stories are so cool
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  Speaker 1: because I'm like, oh, so this really was always a
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  Speaker 1: present thing.
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  Speaker 2: Anybody who knew him knew.
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  Speaker 3: That music was always very very close. Wow, So do
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  Speaker 3: you remember why he chose basketball then if you're saying
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  Speaker 3: it's the other way around when the basketball comes to
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  Speaker 3: play his height or what was it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was just really good. Yeah, he just really scored.
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  Speaker 3: And maybe was it a way out because I remember
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  Speaker 3: you saying they were the first generation of Yes, and
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  Speaker 3: he loved it and it was just like the thing
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  Speaker 3: with music.
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  Speaker 2: Music. He got better over time.
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  Speaker 1: Basketball he just was good and he did on foot,
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  Speaker 1: So he went from like being five eight to six
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  Speaker 1: eight one summer. But my uncle's my uncle Welden and
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  Speaker 1: my uncle William, they were already playing ball and so
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  Speaker 1: they were like.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, no, you gotta play.
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  Speaker 1: You're already tallering us and you know, just little brother,
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  Speaker 1: like come on. So they kind of made him play.
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  Speaker 2: He played eighth thrade year. He really stuck.
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  Speaker 1: The only he did the only point he scored was
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  Speaker 1: for the other team.
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  Speaker 2: And I did that once. I did that. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: And they were like. He used to tell the story
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  Speaker 2: when he go to school. He's like, oh, he's so sorry.
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  Speaker 2: He said.
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  Speaker 3: They were eating him up, and he said, but all
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  Speaker 3: that did was motivating.
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  Speaker 4: That was fuel to the.
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  Speaker 1: Fire because he said, all right, cool, I'm gonna come
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  Speaker 1: back next year and I'm gonna play varsity.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: He like, I'm gonna be a freshman, but I'm gonna
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: play varsity. They were like, yeah, whatever, he stings.
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  Speaker 3: He lost the game, He's.
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  Speaker 2: Like, but it was like his teammates was crying.
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  Speaker 1: Man, everybody was no friend, no, because he was like
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  Speaker 1: he said, I was literally sitting all the end of
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  Speaker 1: the bench not paying attention.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I scored him the wrong you know, or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, so he decided, like he set a goal
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  Speaker 1: and he like superseded it. Then it was just like
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: he became this like offensive threat in like after he passed,
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: I started to go back and watch college and it's like,
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: you know, it's a trip because it's like little shorts,
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  Speaker 1: no three point line.
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  Speaker 3: It's just like, oh, you guys are out there savage,
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  Speaker 3: like what is going on? Because she was like, these
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  Speaker 3: are the amount of points I scored without that three
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  Speaker 3: point like, so imagine if.
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  Speaker 2: We had it. That's the same way with my dad.
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  Speaker 1: He's I think I can't remember when his record was
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  Speaker 1: broken because in his documentary, Michael Jordan says that, like,
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  Speaker 1: my dad was arguably the best college player of all time.
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  Speaker 1: He had sixty one points in the game, so that
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: means he was like twenty three for twenty five with continuations,
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: so it was like perfect. So it was no three points,
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  Speaker 1: he just was lighting them up. So I'm with your daddy,
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  Speaker 1: it's the game.
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  Speaker 3: Was So did you realize how rare that was, how
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  Speaker 3: rare your dad was to dominate into huge entertainment industries.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I totally did, but I guess because it was
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: our day to day it just felt so normal, you know,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: but in hindsight and now that I'm also an adult
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: and you know how it's like fighting your purpose and
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: deciding what you want to do and who you.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Want to be is such a thing.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: To have the ability and the favor to actually have
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: like be great at two things.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: He's a little bit of a unicorn.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So what does that teach you for yourself?
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: For myself, it just gives me the confidence and the
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: courage to chase my dreams and to do what he
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: did sad goes and just crush him, just take things,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: you know, one day at a time, one moment at
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: a time. But it just gives me the confidence to
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: feel like it's possible.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: That you can do and be more than one thing.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Yep, And that you don't have to be confined to
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: boxes that people want to put you in, Like you
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: can really pave your own way. Because nobody in a
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: million years would have thought he would have gone from
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: being from being the number two draft pick to having
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: top five Jazz Records jazz album.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: It just doesn't even sound like it sounds crazy. It's
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: like where the curl it literally does it sounds crazy,
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: but it's not. It's only crazy to you. Actually, yeah,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: do you actually do it? It's amazing. So looking back
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: now that you see that he's dominated these two industries.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: I shouldn't say industry, that the entertainment industry because he
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: had two genres.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: But how did he define success?
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: My dad really defined success by us. He was a family,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: children and his children, his wife, Like anybody who know
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: him would say, like, oh, wayman is about Gina and those.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Kids, like and that is a fact the outside looking in.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: That's really we were just this unit.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: And I remember once he started like headlining the Smooth
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Jazz Cruise, it was like a comedian was teasing and he.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Was like, you guys are always like a little pack.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: That's his deal.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: You guys are just like one sister. Then I see
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: your brother, then I see your other sisters.
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: And he just really.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Taught us that.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: And you know, Ryan knows too, growing up away from
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: your family because you live in these different cities working,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: you have your few cousins that get to come, but
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: for the most part, it's you and your siblings. It's
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: like your intermediate, you know, nucleus. So that was what
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: he really valued the most, was making sure that we
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: were okay and that we.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Didn't have a care.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: So for him, I feel like his vehicle to provide
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: was just that, just a vehicle, like whatever. It looked
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: like he wanted to take care of us.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: He and my mom were high school.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Sweethearts, so it was like he was very young and
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: had a family because I came to college. So everybody
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: would just be like, he's like really serious about like
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: his life and his kids, you know.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: So funny.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: The other day when he was in Sacramento, someone sent
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: me a clip of him doing an interview with Chickern
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: and Chicky I love him. He was just like, you know,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: going on and on about his smile, and then he
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: was just like, oh, so is your family here? And
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: immediately my dad talked about me and Tiffany, and so
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: it was never like we were never like in the background,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: because you know how you see some celebrities or some
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: entertainers and you're like, he got a whole family.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: It's like, you know, you never would know.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: But I would say he definitely based his success on
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: what he was able to do, like personally, more than
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: anything he could do, you know, his in his career, and.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: I think it's important and I'm so glad that you
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: brought that up because people will automatically assume him being
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: an NBA player, you're talking about monetarys that he could
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: provide for you. But it's much bigger than that. He
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: was able to bring you safety. He nurtured you, your mother,
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: his children, and that is something that holds.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: With you forever.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Has nothing to do with the monetary things. That wasn't
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: the most valuable thing that you gained from him. So
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: I think it's so special that you say.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: That, Oh no, that was it.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: I remember he come off a twelve game like road
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: trip and he'd tell my mom to sleep and he'd
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: be up and we'd be like like it was like,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: you know, like the vibes were up because he wanted
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: to party like and that just means like breakfast and
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: like loud music, and so you know, we would always
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: go to school havy because they'd be like, it's a
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: little hyper already. But he would always start start the
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: day with a smile and the prayer and we just
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: go after it.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Do you remember watching his last game, his last NBA game,
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: what that moment was like for you?
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, it was.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, it's a little fuzzy because I
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: was like middle school. But if I'm not mistaken, it
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: was when we so sad Robert Dorry shot us out
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: of the playoffs.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: It was Robert Or.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: It's always Robert.
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Girl in the Houston Rockets, was not.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Robert rob every time.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: And it's like and the thing about Rob, I feel
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: like he's so special and such like.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: This phenomenal, phenomenal like score because that he was like
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: playoff shorty, that's when he showed up. That's when he
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: That's when you had to be worried about Robert.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Like all season it's like, okay, cool, you know, he
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: do his thing, but playoff Robert Or it was like
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: he transformed into this machine and it would It was
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: amazing to watch it, like in real time, like in hindsight,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: but it was just like, this is crazy.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: He's not gonna miss one.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah he never does.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: So what was that moment?
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Like like once they they're out of the playoffs.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Then what when you go home? Like the season's over
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: seas over?
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I actually we were a part of me was excited
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: because I knew, like the following I think it was
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: the following the previous spring, my grandpa passed and I
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: knew after that, my dad was like and he was
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: thirteen years in so he was like, you know, kind of.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Ready to be done.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: But I remember because like we said.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Home was everything if I had them, I didn't care
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: about the NBA, not like that, Like I mean, it's
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: a fraternity and I knew, like I don't know how
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: it goes, so I knew it would always be loved
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: because of my dad's character and who he was.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: The door would always be open there.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: If we wanted to do anything, go any games and
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: all that stuff.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: So that was never a thing.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: So I don't think I remember it was the end
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: of an era, but like literally the season ended that
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: was playoffs, So it was either like May by that by.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: That summer, like by.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: June, we were on in a tour bus hidden like
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: the jazz circuit like it hit wild and I say,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: like not skip a beat, just smooth transition.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: So it was kind of like, Okay, well, I guess I.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: Was like, so then were.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Being in like family room to being in green room,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Like family room to green room. I love that. Wow.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: Well, I think let's play a game because I do
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: want to talk to you about how you are handling grief,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: loss and continuing on after he passed away. But let's
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: first take a little break and then we'll dive back
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: into talking about that. Okay, okay, So before we move
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: on to the next segment, I want to play a
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: quick game two truths and a lie, Tamara.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: We have to figure out which one is a lit.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Whatever he says is a lie.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Let's see, I went to college at seventeen.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, I have two brothers, and I got my dad
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: his first endorsement deal on the music side.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Damn, what was the second one?
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: I have two brothers, and the first.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: One was you went to college at seventeen. Yes, hmm wait,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I'm like, let me wait a minute.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Am I really stumping you guys?
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: This is good? Wait Nope, both wrong.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Wait you guys lie you have Bubba That that's what
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: I'm saying.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: That's a lie.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: I said, I have two brothers. That's what I said.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: That's the lie of Yeah.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Well, yes, right, that's right.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: All right, yeah, because that's what I was counting. That's
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: why I was like, Danny, Gabby, Bubba, that's the two brothers.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Perfect, tell you one.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Damn yeah, see I know the family tree. Make me
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: question myself? You have another one.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I was born in Tulsa.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: I write music, okay, and.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: I played volleyball.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: In high school.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: You guys got it. I about to say, I know
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: you're born in Tulsa, but you write music. Yeah, I
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: mean you come from such a dynamic music house.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Do you do?
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: You create R and B, some jazz, but mainly rhythm
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: and blues.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: You can sing a little bit too, right, Yeah, that's
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: like a hidden talent of yours. I can't remember when
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: I found out, but you sing so like, just so humbly.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: You're like, yeah, so have you ever just I mean,
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: thought about pursuing I write a lot so and I've
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: done stuff with my dad. But yeah, I still like
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: do session work, like I'm on songs and things like that,
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: and I'll write for other artists and stuff. Can we
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: talk about the first endorsement deal that you got for
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: your dad.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I was in sixth grade.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: We moved to Phoenix and I was on the swing
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: set with my friend, my newly found friend.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Her name was Marianne.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: She's super cool, and we were out just hanging out
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: and she comes to me and she's like, my family
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: heard that your dad. You know as a musician, and
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: you know, she was like, do you think your dad
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: would want to like endorse be endorsed by, you know,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: like a guitar company. And I was like, I don't know.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: I was like, what's the guitar company? She's like Finder,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: and she said my grandpa and my dad worked there,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: but you know cool. Come to find out her dad
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: and her grandpa were the president. So uh, yeah, I
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: got my dad. I got him his first deal check right.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: So let me tell you I was looking at I
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: was looking at for like every time I want to
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: go to the mall anytime I wanted to get anything
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: or do anything, like, you know, Dad, you know you
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: don't have to buy guitars now, so at least I'm
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: saving you thousands of dollars.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: To that need to go up to. Yeah.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: It was crazy because I remember she's telling me, and
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: I wasn't just like you know, my dad p K.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: We grew up with like realm and blues and like
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: gospel music growing up.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: So like she's like, yeah, you.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Know, we represent bon Jovi, and you know, like I
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: was like, okay, yeah, I'm not I'm not thinking anything
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: of it. So I'm like, all right, cool. Remember I
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: told you about the school we went to him, so
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: you know. So then my dad comes home.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: He's like your friend's dad. They kind of owned fender.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I say, isn't that good? Dad?
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: He's like, it's actually great, And so they worked it
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: out and until he passed.
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: That was.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Because my dad was left hand, so all his stuff
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: had to be customed.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: So yes, and so like all my said wents have
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: a song named after them, but his serial code for
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: all his basis is my birthday.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: So I told everybody I was. I was a part
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: of every song. So you guys like, you know Daddy's
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: girl through and through?
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Still, yes, you are a Daddy's girl through and through.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: And I know wayman is the light of your world,
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: your entire family's world. How was that losing him?
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: I can only describe it as the first time in
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: my life where I felt like the music stopped, like abruptly.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: So it was so it.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Was just like, you know, like an outer body experience
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: for me, but like this could not be happening, you know,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: because like people in life, you know.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: And I feel very blessed because still to have.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: Them when I did.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: But it's like you hear all these stories of like
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: childhood trauma, and I'm so grateful to God and to
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: them because they were young, but they had the wherewithal
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: to do what they needed to do for us, Cause
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: like that wasn't my story. So like I didn't have
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: to start literally figuring out life until I was twenty
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: almost twenty five, twenty past, so very young. So that
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: was the first time because when I say, like, my
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: daddy was the QB of our fousehold. He got me
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: my internship with People Magazine.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: He got me my.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: First job when I started working as a stylist here
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: in La Like he always was mister connected dots. So
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: like I was saying previously, his measure of success was
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: how he could vibe for us. That is what he
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: would always tell Tiff, like somebody got to make the donuts.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: So he was always big on just providing opportunity.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: So I would definitely say that was like the first
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: time in my life. BO felt like, Okay, what do
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: we do now? These hands? So what part of him
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: do you feel connected to now?
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: I would have to say still like his love and
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: his joy and his heart because even when it got hard,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: those are the things that I would say, he wouldn't
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: want us to lose.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: It's okay, let's take the understand this.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Sorry, but yeah, I would just say to the spirit
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: in the that's the legacy, the love and the light
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: and the joy, and that's the thing that I try
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: to the most to stay grounded or connected to. So
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: when you are carrying joy forward the way that your
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: dad did for you, guys, what's one thing in particular
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: that you do that reminds yourself of your dad any
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: like joyous activity.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Or anytime I'm writing music, anytime I'm in.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: A studio, I feel like I'm like definitely getting like
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: a little ancestral push from him there anytime I'm in
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: like that space for sure, that I would say music
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: makes me feel still the most connected to him in
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: his absence. Also like by default march madness. It's like
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: even like I remember.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: When I first start did dating a guy and he
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: was just like this is so so interesting that like
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: you know, like you're like really knee deep in all
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: of this.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Because I'm like it's time like turn the TV, got
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: your Oklahoma jerseys like ready to go. So I would say,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: like music can still fall and maybe maybe those are
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: the things naturally, just his passions, the things that I
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: learned a lot from him from.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: So grief comes in waves.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Absolutely that that is my like analogy for it.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: So what do people not tell you about grief? Yeah?
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: And how do you handle it when it kind of
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: smacks you in the face.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Well, the thing about grief that people don't tell you
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: is that grief is the price of love.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: If you you know, how long do you love? Yeah,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: you love forever, So then you grieve.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: So that's the best way that I can said, And
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I say what you say that it comes in ways.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's very close where I can hear something, I
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: can smell something, and then sometimes it's further away where
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: I can smile about it.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: You know. So being the oldest sibling that you feel
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: like you had a duty to grieve in a certain way.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, absolutely, As the oldest. Tiff likes to think
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: she's the family manager, it's me. I definitely would say
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: I tried to be strong.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: For them, for sure, and for my mother, you know,
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: because she had them the longest. Yeah, So I would
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: definitely say that for sure that I probably would.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Have, like love to have the compass to know that,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: like it's okay. And also to know, like to have
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: the wherewithought to know that it's.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Never going away.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: So there's no amount of self medicating. There's no amount
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: of flight because I'm the queen of flight like some
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: people were fight or flight Like, I'm the type of
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: girl that I'll go book a flight.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: Somewhere right now.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: Is that how you coped?
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Absolutely? Worka I worked. I dug my head in was working.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: So that's how I did it, which wasn't the most
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: healthy and hindsight, so if I were able to give
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: anybody like a playbook is just to be good to
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: yourself and to be gracious with your feelings and your
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: emotions and to fill your feelings. And it's okay however
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: you feeling to show up as yourself.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: But definitely.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Don't run like I did, because life has a way
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: of making you have to sit it and sit with
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: it and look at it in the face for sure.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: Did you find an outlet or were there outlets that
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: you turned to?
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: So you can't, you know, medicate, You can't do that,
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: So what.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Did you do?
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: I started therapy, and I feel like therapy is so
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: healthy and I know in our community.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: It's still a little taboo.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: But the thing is, and I wish we would take
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: some of those stigmas away, because the thing about it,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: once you start, it's almost like AI because if you
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: have a good.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: Therapist, they're not talking a lot.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: You're talking.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: It's a way for you to just get it out,
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: get it out.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: And that's what I tell people who.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Never are who have never had the courage to try,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: you know, And I know it takes courage to do
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: that because it's hard to like regurgitate what you're thinking.
• 37:48
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: I'm a therapy queen. I will preach it from the rooftop.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: Everyone should should get into it if they can. But
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: obviously you going to therapy grieve your dad is different
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: than obviously me going to therapy talking about other things.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: Do you think it's it helps having footage or other
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: You could google him and google pictures of him, like.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: I to go back and watch. Okay, I love that
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: it took me and I can keep it real.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: It took me a long time to even listen to
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: his music and catches too painful.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but as time went.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: On, it became very comforting and then I would feel, like,
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: you know, like I'd be driving and then you know it,
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: just he pull up in my shuffle and I would
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: just have to be like, okay, this is how you doing.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna quit changing the song.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna listen to the song and I'm gonna
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: feel the feelings and I'm gonna have the moment because
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: I also feel like that is like also the biggest
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: blessing that we have. That because some of my friends
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: who have lost their parents, they lost them so young,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: or they didn't have these things to where like I can,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: like you said, get on YouTube, find college footage. I
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: can find whatever I want. So I will say it
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: took me a while on my grief journey to get
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: to that place.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: But now I see it as a like you said,
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: a love tap, like I see you twenty three somewhere.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: I'm just always like okay.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: And it's a way for you to still be connected.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean, wow, what a gift of music
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: which will live on.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Past all us. Exactly, that's real, the.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: Footage, the music, absolutely, absolutely, Well, we want to talk
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: a little bit about what you're doing, yes, and your fashion.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: You're a fashion e stuff.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, so when when did fashion start? Like
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: when did you get hit by the fashion bug. And
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: then also you are men's where, right, which is very
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: different I think being a woman. So tell us about
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: your journey. Well in men's fashion.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: It also sims back to dad and being a daddy's girl.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: So back when they were in the league, they had
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: to dress up to work, and so this is when
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: they definitely couldn't find anything off the rack. So my
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: dad would have swatches, Taylor's would since watches and so
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: and it was just like little pieces of fabric here
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: and there. And I remember he would get them and
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: he would be like, Okay, I'm gonna do this.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: And so as I became beginning to get older, I
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: would sit with them. So I would be like, let
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: me see what you got, what you're working with. And
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: so I would start to play with his watches and
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: I would, you know, put things together, like no, get
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: this shirt with this, and I would tell him what
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: to do. So he saw that I was really good. So,
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: and I've always been a girly girl. I would drive
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: him insane because I would sit on the bench with
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: my legs cross playing ball, you know, because I tell
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: people I would love the game by default because I
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: was just a daddy's girl, Like I don't even know
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: if I really love.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: Ball as much as I love like, I don't know, but.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: It was it was the thing. So yeah, he got me.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: He started getting me magazine subscriptions, so he I remember,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: he like I was like fourteen. He got me like
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: Vogue and like in Style, and so I started like
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: kind of doing tear sheets and those.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Days of magazine.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: There was another magazine, Sensory like you know, so it
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: was so I used to be on cell.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: It was that's the one because it had all the
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: product and the lure clamor yeah, bizarre like we we
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: live in a great time.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Essence magazine.
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, that was that was a great memory. I
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: so love magazine.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, literally, So yeah he got me those and
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: so that's where that all kind of started.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: So I would help him.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: And then when I like I saying, he got me
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: my internship for People Magazine. I ended up working in
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: the specials department, which handled like the beauties, like the
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: fifty most Beautiful People, Style Watch, Fashion Week Grammys. So
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: I like I remember I went there, like I moved
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: to New York like during a blizzard, and you know.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: I was like, wow, it's crazy, like.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: So everywhere, I'm like, I don't even know how I
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: want to get to work. And I was like amazed
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: because the next day they had that snow pushed all
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: covering cars, you know how they do, like I know.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: So I was just like, I guess I'm going to work.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: But when I got there, I ended up covering fashion Week.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, and I like, I mean, it's a little taboo,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: but I ended I interviewed Diddy and I interviewed Russell
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Simmons because they were at a Zach Posen show and yeah, girl.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: So it was so it was like I remember I
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: met Leah Kabedi, like all these models that I have
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: been looking at in magazine since I was like fourteen.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: So I was like, oh my god.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: So I ended up doing that, and so that's really
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: where it started. So I was a school a comm
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: major in journalism, but as I began to write about fashion,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: and I was like, I think I want to like
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: work in fashion. So that's how I literally started, just
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: from like my dad just nurturing something he saw I
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: was good at.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: He's like, you know, you kind of all right, I
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: get just make all right.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: He was feeling like that.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so with that exposure is like none other. Getting
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: a chance to work at fashion week, I mean that's it.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: Was like and like, you know how when you feel
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: like like your life is like this, like my dad
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: used to say, your life is like a movie. You like,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: usually most of the important things happen in the opening,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: like when the credits was still rolling, and it was
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: like in like hindsight, it was just so perfect that
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: it didn't I don't even think I realized, like the blessing.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just was like what twenty and living.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: And okay, yeah, yeah, like okay, you know, so yeah
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: that it was so random. But then when I graduated,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: after my parents paid all this good money, I was like,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. I don't want to
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: go be a journalist because they thought I would do sports.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: So that was why, Okay, go study communications. You can
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: go be an analyst, you know. Okay, but nope, it
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: turned into fashion.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: So how do you feel just about the change of
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: how they dressed to come to the tunnel now, because
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: it's a big change from back. Well, you know, fashion
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: has evolved, evolved.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Fashion has evolved, and even when I was working I
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: love the fact that, like I remember when I was
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: at Louis Vaton or at Gucci and they didn't make
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: anything bigger than the size twelve for men, and I
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: remember just pounding like a promise, there's a market, promise,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: there's a market. And then now like I think Gushi
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: goes to like seventeen, like all these brands, they switched
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: it up. But I've liked to feel like I was
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: one of the pioneer, pioneering stylists that was on their
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: head about it.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: But I think it's it's getting fun again because.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Like some of the guys really like it, like and
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: I'm not, like, I can't be partial because you know,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: I work with these guys, but I, uh, what is
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: it Alexander Yes, he's so good.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: No, he's phenomenal.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Like and I'm talking and I'm like, the I'm not
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: talking about the game is in PEP, but I'm talking
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: about the FI.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about his fashion. I'm talking about him the drowned.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: He understands the assignment. He really does and really does.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Clarkson to Jordan, is good? Jordan does? Jordan? Is he
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: looks amazing?
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: I think Russell Westbrook I loves Russell because it's unique. Yes,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: And I think the thing about like fashion just like
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: it's art and you should have fun and you should
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: express yourself. And the thing about Russell that I love
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: is Russell's Russell. And I love a guy that's gonna
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: be the himself, like you know, because it's like everybody's
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: like it's so whimsical and it's like have you seen
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: him on the court like that?
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: It's all the same guy. So to me, it's like that.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: And I love those that have an outlet that they're
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: actually doing something. Yeah, I think that's cool to see
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: them another light.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: I love it. And I love what Lebron is doing.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: He's always fresh, so fresh, and it's like I feel
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: like he wears the veteran like hat so nicely because
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: like he'll still put a suit on and so like,
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: you know, he just gets it and he's all to me,
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: he's been fun for a while as well.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: So your face lights up when you talk about fashion?
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Does body do you see.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: Yourself starting a menswear line? Where do you see yourself
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: in connection to fashion?
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, that is the goal is a line. Okay, I've
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: named it after my father.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: And my grandpa.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: Okay, and it's going to be men's wear. Sorry, ladies,
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: it's okay, And that's what I say, Like like before,
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: it's a line that like it's the clothes you want
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: to steal from your voice friend.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: So you know, very very like simple structure, like good lines.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: There's like with guys, there's only like five pieces of clothing.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Like with us, it's way more detailed and hymn lines,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: bus lines, like everything changes with us, but with them
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: it's like a cot, a jacket, pair of trousers, some
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: jeans yep, and a shirt literally, so it's like these
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: are the things the only thing over time, and you know,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: like style wise is just the fit. That's the only
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: thing that changes. But it's still going to be those
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: same five items for guys. It's just how you you know,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: style it and do it. So when you see yourself launching,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: I hope to launch by twenty seven, okay, so we
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: can be on the lookout. Yes, some working carefullty on
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: like manufacturing and like who can convey what I want?
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: And like of course I have plans of doing it
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: like after twenty twenty, but then supply chain.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: Issues and you know, we live through that thing.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: So here we are now.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: So everybody's just trying to find their footing. So that
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: is the goal, okay for Lawrence Levi.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: Well, before we wrap or close, I want to ask
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: you a couple more questions. We do have a surprise
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: for you. We have two surprises for you. Actually we'll
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: show you one. But I also want to ask you
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: what part of your dad lives in you the strongest
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: now and what legacy are you building for yourself?
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: My thing with my the part of my dad's legacy,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: especially with like the way of the world. One of
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: his famous quotes was to never quit, like to play
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: till the clocks out. Yeah, give it all you you know,
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: And so for me, whenever things get heavy, his quote
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: was quitting an option. So whenever like I feel like
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: I'm spinning out and crashing out, it's just like, girl,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: you can't quit.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: So figure out how to like reroute.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: This energy to fuel you instead of driving you crazy.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: And you are pushing through. You're doing it as beautiful
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: as ever. What's one thing you would tell your dad?
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: Thank you for.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Being a living beautiful example while we had you. Yeah,
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: thank you for showing us and not just telling us
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: because talk is so cheap and the more you live,
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: the more you learn. He actually embodied what he said absolutely,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: so if anything, that's why, like even when I want
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: to quit, I can't quit.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: Well in personally to listen, Yes, I want to do
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: the impersonation and then we'll do the surprise, give us your.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Best, your best way, impersonal.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: I didn't hear that, so yes, it'll give our best smile. Yeah,
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: that's that's the love that So we have two things
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: we wanted to show you. One I almost ruined the
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: first surprise. Guys, I'm sorry, I'm really bad. First of all,
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: no one ever needs to put me in charge of
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: surprises like ever.
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: So let's do the video for us all.
• 50:45
  Speaker 7: Hey, Danny, I'm hopping on here to tell you that
• 50:51
  Speaker 7: I'm so proud of you. I am always go honored
• 50:55
  Speaker 7: to be your little sister, Like you've always been the
• 50:58
  Speaker 7: coolest girl ever. You have taught me so many things
• 51:03
  Speaker 7: about culture, about fashion, especially about music, and has just
• 51:08
  Speaker 7: made me definitely the woman that I am today.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: I love you. I thank you for being.
• 51:16
  Speaker 7: Like a second mom to me even though we're only
• 51:18
  Speaker 7: five years apart, and I wish you the best and
• 51:21
  Speaker 7: continue success and everything that you're doing.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: All right, love you bye.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: You like to cut one, get them out?
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: We want you.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: Very You're gonna help me.
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: Rye wouldn't fight with it.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: I'll hold it for this, but we got something for you.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: How you I know, I know the mic was going
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: to create.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: A high top daddy.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: We had to just this is beautiful.
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: We don't want to take it out the plastic, but
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: there's so sweet.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Yes, you know I'm going to have to fight my
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: three silis. This is so sweet. This is awesome. Thank
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: you so much.
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: I love you looking back. Hip.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Just look at that smile.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Absolutely just exude so much joy, so sweet, guys, so much.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: Well, thank you for coming and so much sharing your
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: story with us. We're honored just the fact that you
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: felt comfortable enough to sit here with us and and
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: share I know parts of it.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: It was probably tough, but thank you for he said
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: yeah quit yeah, not an option?
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: Ye.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us on today's episode of Born
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: to the Game with miss beautiful Danielle Tisdale. I'll see
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: you next time. Make sure to like, follow, subscribe, comment,
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: share it with your mama, everybody.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Bye bye,