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What Matters Most · Dos Amigos

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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, this is Freddie Rodriguez. Welcome to Dose a Migos.
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Speaker 1: You know, sometimes Wilma and I get into these conversations
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Speaker 1: and we talk and we talk and we talk and
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Speaker 1: then we press record. And so what you're listening to
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Speaker 1: is us in the middle of a conversation.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 1: And this conversation was prompted by the unfortunate passing of
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Speaker 1: James Vanderbeek and it got us on this particular subject matter.
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Speaker 1: And so rest in peace to him and much blessings
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Speaker 1: to his family. And here we go.
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Speaker 3: Hey, you, hey, you welcome back to season two of
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Speaker 3: two Amigos.
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Speaker 1: Two of Megos Amigos.
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Speaker 3: My dad, you know, started fearing death when my when
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Speaker 3: his grandchildren were born before that, it's like we're all
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Speaker 3: going to die, right by fearing that. He just didn't
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Speaker 3: want to miss it. He didn't want to miss my
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Speaker 3: kids growing up. He didn't want to miss seeing them
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Speaker 3: become you know, little adults, you know, And he had
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Speaker 3: a great relationship with you know, you know how it
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Speaker 3: is like our parents with our grand with our children,
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Speaker 3: they are born again. Yeah, they become those you know,
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Speaker 3: twenty five twenty six year old old school Latino who
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Speaker 3: had kids, you know. And I'm being very specific when
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Speaker 3: I actually say, you know the age, because that was
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Speaker 3: around the age where our parents, you know, had a family,
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Speaker 3: started family, sometimes younger. But so when when these babies,
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Speaker 3: they're holding babies that are part of their family tree,
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Speaker 3: they're born again as parents, not as grandparents, right, you know,
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Speaker 3: except they get to give it back at the end
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Speaker 3: of the night, you know. But what I'm saying is like,
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Speaker 3: when you talk about this subject, you know, you know, well,
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Speaker 3: I fear death when he's come next, comes close to
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Speaker 3: me most likely, right like it, But I'm only going
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Speaker 3: to fear it because I don't want to let go
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Speaker 3: of those I love.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: Is And do you find that your dad is talking
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Speaker 1: about it more now or is he?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? But you know, my dad has had three heart attacks, right,
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Speaker 3: and he loves them.
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Speaker 4: He loves heart attacks. It's like the thing.
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Speaker 3: He just really likes to have them, obviously, I mean
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Speaker 3: he's had three, yeah, I mean, why else would you
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Speaker 3: have heart tags if.
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Speaker 4: You didn't love them.
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Speaker 2: He just induces them.
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Speaker 3: And the reason why I say that shit is because
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Speaker 3: my dad didn't take care of himself right like he
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Speaker 3: was the old school day he goes well, you know,
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Speaker 3: more salt, yeah, no dessert, okay, little whiskey every night.
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Speaker 3: You know, Like my dad was that old school dude
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Speaker 3: with the shirt open and the you know, the the
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Speaker 3: gold chain and the uh the tiny tropical forest, the.
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Speaker 2: Chest, you know that the air, the hairy chest.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, the hairy chest that looked like like the
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Speaker 3: Amazonian you know, rainforest.
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Speaker 4: You know it was that you know.
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Speaker 3: Hey, you know, and and like he he lived that life, right,
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Speaker 3: So anyways, they say all this stuff to basically say
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Speaker 3: that that, you know, when we fear it comes faster.
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Speaker 2: You know that's interesting cause.
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Speaker 3: You know when we live it, you know, you know,
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Speaker 3: we're kind of acceptance. But I will say that there's
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Speaker 3: always a different phase, right, There's always this different thing
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Speaker 3: that happens in your life that makes you go, I'm
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Speaker 3: not ready.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: You know that's why what you said earlier today, like
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Speaker 3: it really hits me, right, because I got to tell you,
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Speaker 3: like it's we got to say it now. Yeah, we
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Speaker 3: have to say now. We have to say I love
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Speaker 3: you now. We have to you know, make the trick.
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Speaker 3: We have to drive farther, we have to make that trip.
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Speaker 3: You know, you have to say it you know, you
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Speaker 3: have to just do it now. And you know, especially
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Speaker 3: the same things in our careers. Right if you don't
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Speaker 3: make the phone call on your behalf now, we're gonna
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Speaker 3: wait another five years before you have the confidence to
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Speaker 3: make that phone cause to say no, I am actually
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Speaker 3: worth of the shot. Just let them say no right now.
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Speaker 3: I don't want to hear no ten years later, you know,
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Speaker 3: right right. But it's like it's relative right to like time,
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Speaker 3: because I think that's kind of the theme of what
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Speaker 3: we're talking about, is that, yeah, you know, what do you.
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Speaker 2: Do with time? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And thank you for joining us, everybody. This is
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Speaker 1: Freddie Rodriguez and I'm Wilmer vald Rama. This is uh,
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Speaker 1: what is this real podcast?
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Speaker 2: Podcast?
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Speaker 1: You've caught us in the middle of a conversation. You know,
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Speaker 1: James Vanderbeek passed away and wolver knew him and and
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Speaker 1: he's close to our age, and so we started to
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Speaker 1: have this conversation about about death and mortality, and so
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Speaker 1: you've caught us in the middle of this conversation and
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Speaker 1: how tragic his situation is.
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Speaker 4: And at a certain.
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Speaker 1: Point, I just I turned to a woomer and I
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Speaker 1: was like, yo, I.
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Speaker 2: Love you man.
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Speaker 1: You know, I love you, bro, because we're not promised tomorrow,
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Speaker 1: you know, right, he wasn't, and he left behind, you know,
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Speaker 1: for five kids. I think he is, I mean, young guy.
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Speaker 1: What was he forty eight years old and colon cancer
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Speaker 1: he had?
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Speaker 2: I mean, just just how terrible.
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Speaker 1: I just had a cousin who's forty something years old,
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Speaker 1: younger than him, who just died of leukemia and left
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Speaker 1: behind a twelve year old and a ten year old
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Speaker 1: and a widower. And you know, he's dealing with that
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Speaker 1: right now. So it's been a very prevalent subject matter
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Speaker 1: in my life in the last few years. You know,
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Speaker 1: my mom just passed away about four four months ago,
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Speaker 1: and my pop a couple of years ago, you know,
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Speaker 1: So it's but it's an interesting conversation to have with
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Speaker 1: you about your pop and how he's facing mortality as
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Speaker 1: it pertains to like your kids, and and how like
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Speaker 1: your kids have given him this news sort of least
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Speaker 1: on life. Do you think do you think that that
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Speaker 1: your kids have made him more conscious of because you
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Speaker 1: said he loves heart attacks because he does everything to
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Speaker 1: induce him.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he just really I think he likes the food
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Speaker 3: at the hospital. I think that, yeah, really hard to
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Speaker 3: do that. At home, he likes bungebats.
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Speaker 4: You put more, you put more sauce on it. At home,
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Speaker 4: I think he likes playing food.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you think that he's been more conscious of
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Speaker 1: of of that, of of what he what he's eating,
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Speaker 1: what he's drawing.
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Speaker 3: He lost a lot of his bad weight, you know,
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Speaker 3: and you know he's walking more's when he's just hanging on.
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Speaker 3: It's just like I got to get tell of those
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Speaker 3: years back, and that's what he's up to, That's what
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Speaker 3: he's doing.
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Speaker 4: And I think my my children I think really triggered that.
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Speaker 4: You know, I think it really Uh, the conversations I
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Speaker 4: used to dot with my dad before.
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Speaker 3: We're like, hey, you know, I lived a good one.
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Speaker 3: If it happens, you know me, Oh now it's your turn.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 3: As soon as my children were born, they're like, you know,
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Speaker 3: you know she's getting Am I going to miss that?
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Speaker 4: Am I going to miss that?
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Speaker 1: You know?
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: You think he kind of took that back.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, especially because.
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Speaker 3: Because when he had the last heart attack, I kind
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Speaker 3: of was like maybe two years old or something. It's
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Speaker 3: the first thing he mentioned. He's like, no, I just
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Speaker 3: have no more time with her, you know, And I'll say,
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Speaker 3: what about me?
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Speaker 4: Father?
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Speaker 2: About me? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Liver. How old is it
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Speaker 2: do my dad?
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Speaker 3: I think it's about seventy And I say, I don't
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Speaker 3: know his real age because he always makes it up.
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Speaker 3: My mom's some thing like, you know, they came from
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Speaker 3: a generation most of you guys might or might not
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Speaker 3: relate to this. He came from a generation where, you know,
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Speaker 3: no one applied for the birth certificate. They just took
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Speaker 3: the kids home or they were home births, you know,
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Speaker 3: and then they were like, oh, that's right, he's four
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Speaker 3: years old.
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Speaker 4: We need to apply for the birth certificate. That's that
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Speaker 4: old school thing. My mom is one out of fourteen,
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Speaker 4: same mom and dad.
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Speaker 2: Wow, like my mom yeah and yeah. So you know,
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Speaker 2: for her, it was like.
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Speaker 3: They went and they took a bunch of them at
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Speaker 3: the same time to get their birth certificate. She doesn't
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Speaker 3: know why year she was really born. So she's like
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Speaker 3: on paper she's like eighty nine or something. I don't know,
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Speaker 3: but she's really like probably seventy, you know, seventy one
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Speaker 3: maybe or seventy maybe.
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Speaker 4: My dad probably is like early.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, do you think that your mother
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Speaker 2: feels the same way as your dad.
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Speaker 1: Do you think that she was at first sort of
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Speaker 1: resigned the like, well, if it happens, it happens.
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Speaker 3: But now with the kids, I don't think she thinks
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Speaker 3: about it as much. At least she doesn't bring it
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Speaker 3: up as much.
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Speaker 2: Well, she hasn't had three art attacks. No, No, she
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Speaker 2: doesn't like them. She doesn't like them.
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Speaker 4: That's where my dad and mom are so different.
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Speaker 3: But no, but you know why, I think my mom
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Speaker 3: has so much fight in her. She is like like
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Speaker 3: a she's bill like like a bull, like a pit bull.
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Speaker 3: You know, she's just like a She's like a tough player.
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Speaker 3: She still gets up in the morning. She cleans her
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Speaker 3: entire house by herself, you know, like she she does
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Speaker 3: her her her laundry and her her big comforters. And
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Speaker 3: let me explain what I mean by that. She grabs
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Speaker 3: the big comforter from the house, from the from the bedroom.
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Speaker 3: She she walks it all the way downstairs, right, she
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Speaker 3: hands washes it, oh right, like cool, because she's like,
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Speaker 3: we can't put it in the musher because it just
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Speaker 3: doesn't move because it's too big.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, And then.
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Speaker 4: You know, and then she's like it's analog.
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Speaker 3: She like is washing her dogs herself, she's doing and
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Speaker 3: you know, like she's still very very driven and she's
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Speaker 3: still living her life.
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Speaker 4: And you know he's still cooking for herself and doing
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Speaker 4: her thing.
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Speaker 3: And think those are the indicators when like, you know,
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Speaker 3: she's still really swinging hard.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. My mom was like that too.
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Speaker 1: She was uh, you know, you know it was she
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Speaker 1: she was married to my dad for fifty five years
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Speaker 1: and then my dad passed away suddenly in a freak accident,
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Speaker 1: and then and then all of a sudden she was alone.
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Speaker 2: So for her, she was always that independent.
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Speaker 1: But but there was a learning curb of of what
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Speaker 1: it was like to just suddenly from one moment to
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Speaker 1: the next to be uh single, uh, to be a widow,
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Speaker 1: widow widow.
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Speaker 2: I think it's a core terminology.
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Speaker 4: Uh.
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Speaker 1: But but same as your mom. Man, just tough and
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Speaker 1: feisty and and didn't didn't fear death. Man even even
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Speaker 1: to her laugh bro Uh yeah, yes, sir, you face time.
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Speaker 1: Her laugh was just uh yes, yes, yes, we fat,
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Speaker 1: thank you man, thank you for that. I I remember
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Speaker 1: we were face timing and she was she was going
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Speaker 1: through chemotherapy and you you were so gracious and and
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Speaker 1: you got on the FaceTime with her and said hi
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Speaker 1: to her, and and and my mom doesn't didn't speak English,
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Speaker 1: and so that was nice.
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Speaker 2: That you got.
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Speaker 4: Don't speak English. I just learned this thing, you know.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah man.
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Speaker 1: But she but she didn't fear it towards the end either.
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Speaker 1: She was I think, I think because my pop wasn't there.
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Speaker 1: She was she was, she was ready, you know, she
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Speaker 1: was ready.
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Speaker 2: But she had.
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Speaker 1: She had answer twice. Also she had uh uh uh
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Speaker 1: three times. Actually she had she had breast cancer. By
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Speaker 1: the third time, the breast cancer spread to her pancreas
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Speaker 1: and then.
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Speaker 3: But she was a fighter, Like what a badass, dude.
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Speaker 3: It's like really tough battle right there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah man.
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Speaker 1: And she went through hospice and uh man, I you know,
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Speaker 1: uh for those out there who have gone through hospice
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Speaker 1: with their parents is uh is a completely different experience.
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Speaker 1: I'd love to do a documentary on on what that's like,
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Speaker 1: because it's uh to from the moment that you find
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Speaker 1: out that your your parent is dying and and and
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Speaker 1: you make that decision that they're going in the hospice
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Speaker 1: is just sort of like a like a death sentence almost.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's like you're you're.
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Speaker 1: Watching your parents deteriorate, uh until until they finally die.
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Speaker 1: And I was there at the moment she she passed away.
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Speaker 2: You know, I was.
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Speaker 1: I was on a FaceTime with you actually, you know,
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Speaker 1: she she she was downstairs and I was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: I got this FaceTime with Warmer. Let me let me
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Speaker 1: go upstairs and take this FaceTime. And Elsie came in
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Speaker 1: and you know, so there you go.
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Speaker 2: Man, I was on with you. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: No, I actually, however, I hope it sounds, you know,
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Speaker 3: as more of a humbling and beautiful reflection. I was
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Speaker 3: actually honored to kind of be with you in that
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Speaker 3: moment and when it was happening, because I know you
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Speaker 3: guys were waiting for it. So as we move into
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Speaker 3: like the mentality, the understanding, the acceptance, what do you
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Speaker 3: feel it's worth investing in now? Understanding what we know
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Speaker 3: about death but we know about when it ends, Like
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Speaker 3: what what do we invest in right now?
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Speaker 4: What is the immediate advice you give people right now?
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Speaker 1: Like what is stop what you're doing and do this
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Speaker 1: is to value time, to be cognizant of time and
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Speaker 1: how important time is Uh, not to say that that
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Speaker 1: I or my brothers were not, but but I think
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Speaker 1: sometimes when you're going through something like hospice, you're in
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Speaker 1: a stage of denial that that that that it's happening.
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Speaker 1: And so maybe throughout that stage of denial, at least
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Speaker 1: for me, I'm speaking for myself, sometimes I was not
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Speaker 1: I should have been better about time maybe, you know,
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Speaker 1: I think back I was like, oh, man, maybe I
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Speaker 1: should have did more FaceTime calls with her, or man,
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Speaker 1: maybe I should have flown down to Chicago more. Because
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Speaker 1: because once the time, once the time is up, it's up,
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Speaker 1: and then that's it. Then you can never get it
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Speaker 1: back after.
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Speaker 3: That's an interesting balance, right, it's really interesting time. You know,
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Speaker 3: time life so fun you think about, okay, well, the
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Speaker 3: circle of life is that they raise us to be adults.
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Speaker 4: Then you start your family.
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Speaker 3: Then you've got to make choices based on either your
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Speaker 3: career the profession, and you've got to move away and
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Speaker 3: and it's it's it's a very common thing. You know,
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Speaker 3: unless you can have your family close by, it's really
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Speaker 3: a coming thing that they're going to be in a
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Speaker 3: different state, you know, or they're going to be far
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Speaker 3: away or all that it's kind of consequences of that is.
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Speaker 3: I feel like as parents, at some point we come
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Speaker 3: to the realization and understanding that like that's going to happen,
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Speaker 3: our kids are going to live somewhere else. But we
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Speaker 3: did our job and we had our moment, right. I
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Speaker 3: don't know that I'll have to be ready for that, right.
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Speaker 3: I Mean, it's like it's the toughest part to think
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Speaker 3: about that. But you know, I guess that if I take,
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Speaker 3: you know, extract the hope and what you're saying, I
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Speaker 3: would say that like call them a little more often,
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Speaker 3: right or like or like or whatever. But at the
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Speaker 3: same time, also understand that, you know, you're also living
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Speaker 3: a life, right, You're also raising your kids, and you're
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Speaker 3: your family and the whole thing.
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Speaker 4: And it's tough, you know. I think, you know, I
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Speaker 4: would say we're.
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Speaker 3: Gifted and blessed in the in the sense that we
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Speaker 3: can do this this creative and and healing, powerful medium
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Speaker 3: of entertainment, right, Like we can really you know, bring
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Speaker 3: a laugh or an extraordinary story to two fans around
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Speaker 3: the world.
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Speaker 4: You know, what do we do for ourselves?
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Speaker 3: I think that's a tough question, right, because I don't
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Speaker 3: think people understand how much time we're away from our
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Speaker 3: friends and family, right, Like I mean you think about
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Speaker 3: like when you used to hang out with your friends
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Speaker 3: all the time, right, Like how did that? How did
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Speaker 3: that become? You know, like did you you know, how
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Speaker 3: do you bring them along so you still have that tied,
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Speaker 3: you know, bond. You know from the beginning, it's a
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Speaker 3: tough thing. You know, same thing with a family, like
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Speaker 3: you got to like, you know, somehow you have to
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Speaker 3: understand like either they come with or you're gonna miss
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Speaker 3: chunks of life, especially when you do this on running shows,
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Speaker 3: like you know, I'm doing a show that you know,
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Speaker 3: it's been out fo you know twenty three years, we're
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Speaker 3: going into we're going into our twenty four season and
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Speaker 3: you're my tenth Wow, I've done it. By the end
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Speaker 3: of this season twenty three right now, it'll be I will,
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Speaker 3: I will. I would have shot two hundred episodes of NCIS.
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Speaker 1: And how many how many episodes? How many seasons did
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Speaker 1: you do of a seventy show?
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Speaker 3: Eight And I did two hundred episodes of that, So
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Speaker 3: I've already surpassed many years of seventy show on this show.
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Speaker 3: But I say those things because you also think about
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Speaker 3: like how much time we're really away from things is tough, right,
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Speaker 3: because I mean I get I get up a four
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Speaker 3: three in the morning, I work out, I go to said.
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Speaker 4: By seven am, we're shooting.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, my wife and my daughter, they're like living a
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Speaker 3: full life. And then in those thirteen hours, right, you know, doing.
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Speaker 1: What you have to do in order to have the
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Speaker 1: light and to help support. But you know you asked
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Speaker 1: about advice. You know, not only is it time, but
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Speaker 1: it's you know what also happens after they're gone, is
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Speaker 1: it's it's it's traumatic, right, so then you have to
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Speaker 1: deal with the trauma of what just occourage. You know.
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Speaker 2: I find that that.
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Speaker 1: Forgiveness is really important, you know, like like whether whether
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Speaker 1: it's now or it's later, you know, there's there ever
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Speaker 1: anything like that that you need to sort of feel
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Speaker 1: that you need to resolve. You know, I'm not speaking
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Speaker 1: on my behalf. I just had this really interesting conversation yesterday,
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Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, with someone who lost somebody,
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Speaker 1: and and the whole forgiveness factor had come up, you know,
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Speaker 1: And and the reason why that was so important is
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Speaker 1: because the person who I was talking to feels doesn't
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Speaker 1: feel healed and still feels this sense of deep guilt
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Speaker 1: and all of this other stuff. Even though the parent
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Speaker 1: is gone, there's still they're still reliving the trauma because
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Speaker 1: the forgiveness is not in place, was not in.
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Speaker 4: Place, you know.
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Speaker 1: So I don't know if that happens before or after,
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Speaker 1: but but forgiveness is such a it's such an important
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Speaker 1: component in order for for your healing process to happen
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Speaker 1: and for a departure to your next chapter or to
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Speaker 1: to now coexist with the thought that you know you're
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Speaker 1: closing you know, the last chapter as well, right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: And and you know when we had like Lewis Hall
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Speaker 1: here last, you know, and he talked about the foundation
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Speaker 1: of everything that he does is all about healing, you know,
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Speaker 1: and and and that's part of it, you know, the
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Speaker 1: healing that has to happen between you and a parent
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Speaker 1: or or another loved one, you know, whether it happens
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Speaker 1: while they're living or after, but you have to find
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Speaker 1: that that healing, and a lot of that healing comes
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Speaker 1: from forgiveness.
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Speaker 2: Huh.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I mean I always remain grateful that you'll be so
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Speaker 3: willing to open and explore these things. You know, I
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Speaker 3: don't know how often you get to talk about, you know,
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Speaker 3: this revelation with your with your mother and your family
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Speaker 3: and which you are now. So I'm grateful that you're
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Speaker 3: willing to share it for everybody and all the fans
20:08
Speaker 3: of those a egos. It is, you know, it's you
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Speaker 3: live long enough, you're gonna have to inevitably learn to
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Speaker 3: endure these changes. And you know, we we we definitely,
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Speaker 3: we definitely have to kind of just roll with what's
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Speaker 3: giving to us, right. You know, you don't pick it,
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Speaker 3: You know, you don't choose it, but you don't.
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Speaker 2: Just like James Vanderbig didn't pick it. Right, And here
20:36
Speaker 2: we are having this conversation, you know, here we are.
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Speaker 1: We open up the papers and look on Instagram this morning,
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Speaker 1: and there's this picture with his obituary.
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Speaker 3: Next to it, right, and in our love and prayers
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Speaker 3: obviously of strength and love to his wife and his
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Speaker 3: beautiful family.
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Speaker 4: And you know, I hope that they'll never forget, and
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Speaker 4: I know they won't how much you know, how much
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Speaker 4: love he spread through his art.
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Speaker 3: You know, he was such an iconic image for an
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Speaker 3: entire generation, and I think he left so much.
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Speaker 4: A trail of just like goodness, and.
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Speaker 2: You guys had shows on it at the same time.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he premier in nineteen ninety eight on Dawson's Creek
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Speaker 3: and a premiere on that seventies show in nineteen ninety
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Speaker 3: eight as well.
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Speaker 4: He was on the WV and we were on Fox.
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Speaker 3: But we were both the first TV casts, Yeah, to
21:36
Speaker 3: really do both film and TV. Oh yeah, so he
21:42
Speaker 3: broke round also, ye, you know, he went into Varsity
21:46
Speaker 3: Blues and he was a phenomenon and all of a
21:48
Speaker 3: sudden he's doing movies.
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Speaker 4: Right and then doing Dozon's Creek.
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Speaker 1: And for the fan base that's listening, you know, back then,
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Speaker 1: you were either a TV actor, you were a film actor,
22:00
Speaker 1: and like you know, there there was no cross pollinating,
22:03
Speaker 1: you know, and that was when it first started to happen.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so he's one of those pioneers and we
22:07
Speaker 3: the young ins of that time. Is when when the
22:10
Speaker 3: students started gambling and these team sensations to cross over
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Speaker 3: to film.
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Speaker 4: The box office was a different place, you know, and.
22:18
Speaker 3: I think that you know, it was Katie Holmes, Joshua Jackson,
22:22
Speaker 3: you know, Michelle Williams. I mean, like that whole cast
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Speaker 3: redefined what you you know, you could do whatever you wanted, right,
22:29
Speaker 3: you know, the same thing happen with the seven Intil cast.
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Speaker 4: Everyone. You could do whatever you want.
22:32
Speaker 3: You can go to movies, you can go TV, you
22:34
Speaker 3: can do you know. And uh, and that's thanks to
22:37
Speaker 3: the loyalty and the trust of the fans. But you know,
22:40
Speaker 3: going full circle to back to James, like he you know,
22:43
Speaker 3: we always all of us, they're they're casting. Our cast
22:46
Speaker 3: always were invited to the same events were the young ins.
22:49
Speaker 3: You know, it's like the Team People magazine event or
22:52
Speaker 3: like the Team you know, Tiger Bead or the Planet
22:55
Speaker 3: Hollywood round tables, you know where you come in and
22:59
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, okay, those are the Wonder Brothers. You know,
23:02
Speaker 3: the Dawson's Creek and you know Wayne's brothers. You know,
23:06
Speaker 3: like right there they're over there and then then over here.
23:08
Speaker 3: It's like, uh, you know the seventies showcast and get
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Speaker 3: real and you know, mack them in the middle and
23:15
Speaker 3: you know, like with everyone who was doing their stuff.
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Speaker 2: But but yeah, we were we were young.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah would but look, I mean, I guess
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Speaker 3: unintentionally we educate this episode to James, you know, and
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Speaker 3: and he's trajectory. Most importantly what he left behind, which
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Speaker 3: is millions of fans around the world inspired and UH
23:36
Speaker 3: and our love and and princes of our family as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah to James and two.
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Speaker 1: And to everybody else out there who who's dealing with
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Speaker 1: loss and UH and and and what comes with loss,
23:48
Speaker 1: and and and the pain and the trauma that comes
23:51
Speaker 1: with loss. You know, I hope that our conversation today
23:55
Speaker 1: helped just a little bit.
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Speaker 3: Drama.
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