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- 0:08Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Inside the Charge. I've got
- 0:11Speaker 1: running back Ray Davis with me, Maddie Glab. The two
- 0:15Speaker 1: co-hosts this season, Ray, welcome back. You made it through
- 0:18Speaker 1: week one. Here we are on week two. But really
- 0:21Speaker 1: week one in football sense of things.
- 0:24Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
- 0:25Speaker 3: I mean, it feels like week a thousand because you
- 0:28Speaker 3: feel like you've been here since what we reported June 1st,
- 0:31Speaker 3: June 2nd or something like that.
- 0:32Speaker 1: I mean, even going back to April, you guys came
- 0:34Speaker 1: back so early because the new head coach, I felt
- 0:38Speaker 1: like the season ended, and it was like, oh, they're
- 0:41Speaker 1: already back in the building.
- 0:43Speaker 2: But you guys missed us, so it's okay. We missed
- 0:45Speaker 2: you guys, too.
- 0:45Speaker 4: It's really boring when players aren't in the building.
- 0:48Speaker 2: We missed you.
- 0:49Speaker 4: We get a break, and then you guys come back
- 0:50Speaker 4: in the building. It's like, let's go. We got to
- 0:53Speaker 4: create content.
- 0:54Speaker 2: The boys are back.
- 0:55Speaker 4: The boys are back. The boys are buzzing.
- 0:58Speaker 2: Yeah, the boys are buzzing.
- 0:58Speaker 4: Because week one is here.
- 1:00Speaker 1: You guys are playing against the Houston Texans this week.
- 1:04Speaker 1: An exciting matchup. because the best defense in the NFL
- 1:08Speaker 1: from last season going up against a top three offense
- 1:12Speaker 1: in the Buffalo Bills from last season. You would assume
- 1:16Speaker 1: a lot of it continues because Houston brought back a
- 1:19Speaker 1: lot of big playmakers on defense, and you guys have
- 1:22Speaker 1: a lot of familiar faces back on offense, and things
- 1:26Speaker 1: can't go wrong with QB1 Josh Allen at the helm.
- 1:30Speaker 2: When you got Josh Allen, there's always a chance. I
- 1:32Speaker 2: tell people that always, always.
- 1:34Speaker 3: There could be a minute on the clock, no timeout.
- 1:36Speaker 3: If 17's walking on that field, the hope is still alive.
- 1:41Speaker 5: Okay.
- 1:42Speaker 1: Since you said that, this is where my brain goes.
- 1:45Speaker 1: Is there a moment in a game that you go
- 1:49Speaker 1: back to when Josh Allen did Josh Allen things and
- 1:52Speaker 1: you're like, this man is not real?
- 1:54Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 1:55Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 1:55Speaker 3: I mean, I got to start with the 49ers game,
- 1:58Speaker 3: my rookie year snow game, throws a slant to Amari Cooper.
- 2:01Speaker 4: That was sick.
- 2:02Speaker 2: Famously throws it back to Josh, goes and scores.
- 2:05Speaker 3: Obviously what he did against the Chiefs my rookie year too.
- 2:08Speaker 3: I mean, to scramble out the pocket, get the touchdown,
- 2:13Speaker 3: bring us back to where we need to be, and
- 2:15Speaker 3: then continue to get the W for us was pretty big.
- 2:16Speaker 3: So those are my moments where I watched them. But
- 2:21Speaker 3: I've watched, what, 30 minutes of Josh Allen highlights that
- 2:23Speaker 3: the NFL put out on YouTube.
- 2:25Speaker 2: He's done some special things.
- 2:27Speaker 1: I was talking to Jamori Macklin during training camp, just
- 2:31Speaker 1: asking him about, you know, life in the NFL as
- 2:33Speaker 1: an undrafted rookie. What are some of the most notable things?
- 2:36Speaker 1: And Jamori said, you know, I don't watch a lot
- 2:39Speaker 1: of NFL, so I wasn't aware of Josh Allen.
- 2:44Speaker 4: I knew of him.
- 2:46Speaker 1: I knew what people said about him. But, like, seeing
- 2:48Speaker 1: it in person, he said, this is insane.
- 2:51Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 2:51Speaker 2: And that's how it was for me. Like, I didn't
- 2:53Speaker 2: watch no Bill's. at all before I got drafted.
- 2:55Speaker 3: And then when I got here, you know, Madden 24,
- 2:58Speaker 3: he's on the cover.
- 2:59Speaker 2: And then you're like, wait, that's, that's, that's him. Oh,
- 3:02Speaker 2: he's for real. So that's how I felt.
- 3:04Speaker 4: All right.
- 3:05Speaker 1: We'll dive into week one game a little bit later,
- 3:08Speaker 1: but I want to ask you about your last free
- 3:11Speaker 1: weekend before the season began.
- 3:13Speaker 4: How did you spend it?
- 3:14Speaker 3: Yeah. A couple, a couple of my good friends, we
- 3:16Speaker 3: went up to Toronto and we got to see Rufus DeSole,
- 3:20Speaker 3: which was a pretty, pretty good, I don't know.
- 3:23Speaker 2: Are they a band?
- 3:24Speaker 4: It's like EDM and a band.
- 3:27Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 3:27Speaker 3: Like, but it's house music. I kind of would say
- 3:29Speaker 3: more house music, but love them. Love the experience. It's
- 3:32Speaker 3: my first time ever seeing them. They are going on what?
- 3:35Speaker 3: Almost a two year hiatus or taking a break from
- 3:37Speaker 3: what they were saying. So if you didn't get to
- 3:39Speaker 3: see them, maybe in a couple of years, you'll get
- 3:41Speaker 3: to see them. But then we also have YouTube too.
- 3:43Speaker 3: So go see them.
- 3:44Speaker 5: Amazing.
- 3:45Speaker 2: The performance was amazing. Songs are stuck in my head too.
- 3:49Speaker 3: I loved a lot of them, but it was, it
- 3:50Speaker 3: was a great weekend to just spend time with, family, friends,
- 3:53Speaker 3: and just get off your feet a little bit and
- 3:54Speaker 3: just enjoy life outside of all.
- 3:56Speaker 1: So I went to Rufus Dussel, too, and I wake
- 4:00Speaker 1: up on Sunday morning. I'm going through Instagram. I'm like, oh,
- 4:04Speaker 1: Ray's got an Instagram story.
- 4:06Speaker 4: Let me look. I'm like, no way. Ray was at
- 4:08Speaker 4: Rufus Dussel, too. He was on the floor. I was
- 4:11Speaker 4: in the nosebleed.
- 4:13Speaker 2: I had to get the full experience. You did. I'd
- 4:15Speaker 2: never seen him, so I was like, you know, I
- 4:17Speaker 2: got to be, like, in it. You know what I'm saying?
- 4:19Speaker 2: Was it your first time?
- 4:22Speaker 4: Edm house music show.
- 4:24Speaker 3: No i live i live in miami so like i'm
- 4:26Speaker 3: used to the house music vibe that's true but the
- 4:29Speaker 3: edm yes that was my first experience it wasn't a
- 4:32Speaker 3: lot of headbanging it was just like it's.
- 4:33Speaker 1: Like chill beats yeah i mean there's some of their
- 4:36Speaker 1: songs there is like a harder drop but like you
- 4:40Speaker 1: said it's interesting because you have somebody that's singing you
- 4:43Speaker 1: have a drummer you have somebody on keyboard they had
- 4:46Speaker 1: somebody playing a guitar at times so it's like A
- 4:49Speaker 1: little bit of mix of everything, which is why I enjoy.
- 4:52Speaker 4: Listening to them.
- 4:52Speaker 2: I love that. Well, it was 1,000 out of 1,000.
- 4:54Speaker 4: Any song that you were like, this is awesome?
- 4:58Speaker 2: It's Inner Bloom, right? Inner Bloom.
- 5:00Speaker 4: Inner Bloom was pretty good. They finished Inner Bloom.
- 5:02Speaker 2: They finished with that. And then I'm going to have
- 5:05Speaker 2: to sing the lyric.
- 5:06Speaker 4: Sing it.
- 5:07Speaker 2: It's listening to music with your friends together.
- 5:09Speaker 5: Yes.
- 5:09Speaker 4: Listening to music. Music is better.
- 5:11Speaker 5: Yeah, that one.
- 5:12Speaker 4: When we're together. That one was top tier.
- 5:14Speaker 2: That was top tier.
- 5:15Speaker 4: That was the final song of the show, their encore.
- 5:18Speaker 6: Yeah.
- 5:19Speaker 5: I loved it.
- 5:21Speaker 2: Great, great, great, great.
- 5:23Speaker 5: All the way around.
- 5:23Speaker 4: I'm glad you liked it. So fun. So cool that
- 5:27Speaker 4: you were there. I enjoyed it as well.
- 5:29Speaker 1: Dion Dawkins also had his car snow this weekend. So
- 5:34Speaker 1: many players were there. It was cool to see Josh
- 5:37Speaker 1: Allen roll up.
- 5:38Speaker 4: You were there.
- 5:40Speaker 1: Maxwell Harrison was there. A lot of the offensive line
- 5:42Speaker 1: was there. What was the best part about it this season?
- 5:45Speaker 2: Man, it was fun.
- 5:47Speaker 3: I didn't get the experience in my first year or
- 5:49Speaker 3: last year, so I wanted to really get into it
- 5:51Speaker 3: this year. And just seeing the amount of love that
- 5:53Speaker 3: people have for Dion and obviously the Bills, just that
- 5:56Speaker 3: place was crazy. But it was crazy in a good way.
- 6:00Speaker 3: Watching drifting in real life is fun.
- 6:03Speaker 2: It gives you a rush.
- 6:05Speaker 3: It makes you feel like you could go do it.
- 6:06Speaker 3: Then you realize you're not a professional, so then you
- 6:09Speaker 3: let them do it. But it was one of those
- 6:12Speaker 3: experiences where, again, No football involved. You got to build
- 6:16Speaker 3: that chemistry. You got to really just love on your
- 6:18Speaker 3: teammates and embrace them and go and support. Max got
- 6:21Speaker 3: to sell out his Uno brand, which I've watched him
- 6:23Speaker 3: start that from Kentucky to now. Ty brought out all
- 6:27Speaker 3: three of his cars. CD brought out the old school.
- 6:30Speaker 3: It was cool to just see some guys let loose
- 6:32Speaker 3: and just enjoy it. So it was fun. Not only
- 6:35Speaker 3: Deion had his car, you know. Dwayne Carter had his
- 6:38Speaker 3: little wing fest. I got to go over there and
- 6:40Speaker 3: support that. And my favorite wing... Got to go to Zane.
- 6:47Speaker 2: Zane had the best sauce. Zane did. He did. Some
- 6:51Speaker 2: people may not like that, but Zane had the best sauce. Yeah.
- 6:54Speaker 4: Who made sauces?
- 6:56Speaker 3: It was Zane, Ty, Saibo, TJ, Reed, and I don't
- 7:02Speaker 3: know if DC made one, but those are the guys
- 7:04Speaker 3: that I kind of remember from.
- 7:05Speaker 4: What did you like about Zane's sauce?
- 7:06Speaker 2: Zane had a little twang to it. You know, it
- 7:08Speaker 2: was a little spice, but it wasn't too spicy. Yeah,
- 7:11Speaker 2: it was... Yeah, it gave me like a lemon pepper
- 7:14Speaker 2: kind of vibe.
- 7:14Speaker 6: Oh, okay.
- 7:15Speaker 2: I'm a lemon pepper stepper guy.
- 7:16Speaker 4: Dry rub or sauce?
- 7:18Speaker 2: I'm a sauce guy.
- 7:18Speaker 4: Okay.
- 7:19Speaker 2: It was sauce.
- 7:19Speaker 4: It was sauce.
- 7:20Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was good. I loved it. He was
- 7:23Speaker 2: number one. Ty was two.
- 7:24Speaker 3: He had a mango habanero sauce. And then the best
- 7:27Speaker 3: cook in the world on this team, even though he
- 7:29Speaker 3: didn't get my number one, Saibo. Saibo was three. Best
- 7:33Speaker 3: cook on the team.
- 7:34Speaker 4: He'll tell you that.
- 7:35Speaker 1: I've had conversations with Saibo about cooking, and he has said,
- 7:39Speaker 1: I want.
- 7:39Speaker 4: To do a cookbook.
- 7:40Speaker 1: So I really hope he does that while he's here
- 7:42Speaker 1: because I feel like a lot of Bill's fans would
- 7:44Speaker 1: enjoy that.
- 7:45Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 7:45Speaker 3: But both of those guys had great, great events. Love,
- 7:49Speaker 3: love being able to support DC, love being able to
- 7:50Speaker 3: support Dion and just to continue to show them that
- 7:53Speaker 3: I'm here for them and always going.
- 7:54Speaker 2: To be there for them.
- 7:55Speaker 4: It's so cool.
- 7:55Speaker 1: Like Dion has his car show. DC has his, his
- 7:59Speaker 1: wing event. You said Maxwell sold out his clothing brand
- 8:03Speaker 1: that he's been working on called Uno. Ty brought cars
- 8:07Speaker 1: to the, to Dion's car event. These are opportunities and
- 8:11Speaker 1: moments where you get to learn about your teammates off
- 8:15Speaker 1: the field and I feel like really grow connections.
- 8:18Speaker 3: Yeah, you get to see what they're interested in outside
- 8:19Speaker 3: of football. So that was pretty fun.
- 8:23Speaker 4: That is so cool.
- 8:25Speaker 1: This is the official start of the season. Week one
- 8:29Speaker 1: is here. I know you've been in the building for
- 8:32Speaker 1: a while. We talked about that, but this week you
- 8:36Speaker 1: really start to ramp up. The meetings are about the
- 8:39Speaker 1: opponent that you're playing. You're on the field doing walkthroughs,
- 8:43Speaker 1: and you've got a scout team that is acting like
- 8:46Speaker 1: the opponent you're about to play. How does Ray Davis
- 8:50Speaker 1: mentally ramp up for the season to be here?
- 8:53Speaker 3: Yeah, I think just, I think like the way of
- 8:57Speaker 3: ramping up in a way is calming down, right? Like
- 8:59Speaker 3: you've gone against your own defense for a while, and
- 9:02Speaker 3: you've seen different fronts and different formations and things of
- 9:07Speaker 3: that nature. So now it's about resetting and refocusing for myself.
- 9:11Speaker 3: And then now starting it from step one of watching
- 9:13Speaker 3: film and dissecting their opponent and trying to find little
- 9:16Speaker 3: tendencies in their defensive game. And then also trying to
- 9:19Speaker 3: figure out how can you get better, right? What are
- 9:21Speaker 3: the things you need to get good at? So where
- 9:24Speaker 3: if you need that first down, like what did I
- 9:25Speaker 3: do last year not to get that first down that
- 9:27Speaker 3: I can get it this year, right? Or how can
- 9:29Speaker 3: I run this route a little bit better than I
- 9:31Speaker 3: did previously before? So It's about just slowing things down,
- 9:35Speaker 3: really understanding what you got to do as a player,
- 9:37Speaker 3: and then putting it all together as time goes on.
- 9:39Speaker 1: Do you get the jitters, the nerves before the first game,
- 9:42Speaker 1: like as it all begins again?
- 9:45Speaker 2: I think I get an excitement. I wouldn't say jitter.
- 9:48Speaker 2: I think it's just being excited because.
- 9:50Speaker 3: This is a game I played when I was young.
- 9:54Speaker 3: I was throwing the ball up in the air and
- 9:55Speaker 3: running against air and doing all these moves, and then
- 9:58Speaker 3: I look back at it and I'm going, I'm in
- 10:00Speaker 3: the best place and the best position.
- 10:02Speaker 2: So I just think about the excitement of it.
- 10:04Speaker 1: You also talked about self-scouting, talking about what you did
- 10:08Speaker 1: last year, how you want to be different this season.
- 10:11Speaker 1: I know last week we talked about the kick return
- 10:14Speaker 1: ability that you have, but looking at running back and
- 10:17Speaker 1: looking at just the season and your body of work
- 10:20Speaker 1: as a whole, what are you keying in on this year?
- 10:23Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 10:24Speaker 3: As a running back, just being able to be the
- 10:26Speaker 3: best compliment to Jimbo and Ty, right? Like, you know, however,
- 10:29Speaker 3: however the rotation shakes out, it's probably just being able
- 10:32Speaker 3: to go out there and do my part for them
- 10:34Speaker 3: so they can continue to succeed. You know, again, being
- 10:36Speaker 3: that compliment, James is a very speedy back and, you know,
- 10:39Speaker 3: he's a home run hitter, right? So, Maybe I got
- 10:41Speaker 3: to go in and hit a double, maybe hit a triple,
- 10:44Speaker 3: maybe hit a single. And Ty comes in and brings
- 10:46Speaker 3: me home, right? So it's about all of us just
- 10:48Speaker 3: doing our job and embracing our jobs.
- 10:51Speaker 1: A lot of people have had a fun training camp,
- 10:54Speaker 1: a fun preseason to watch. We cut the roster to
- 10:58Speaker 1: 53 a week ago. So many players on this roster
- 11:01Speaker 1: and on practice squad have great stories about how they
- 11:04Speaker 1: got to the Bills, what their goals are here. Is
- 11:08Speaker 1: there a player that you've really enjoyed watching this training
- 11:12Speaker 1: camp and this preseason?
- 11:14Speaker 2: There's two players. I'll make them quick. Don't worry. Two players.
- 11:18Speaker 2: I got to start with Dwayne Carter.
- 11:20Speaker 3: Coming off the injury last year, tearing his Achilles, and
- 11:23Speaker 3: just seeing the work he's put in.
- 11:24Speaker 2: I watched the work.
- 11:26Speaker 3: I didn't just watch the finished product of the preseason
- 11:29Speaker 3: games and making the roster. I watched the real work
- 11:32Speaker 3: of him coming in each and every day, realizing that
- 11:35Speaker 3: it sucks to be hurt, but how do I find
- 11:37Speaker 3: the joy of coming back and proving everybody wrong.
- 11:40Speaker 2: And he's just been monstrous. I love him.
- 11:43Speaker 3: I love the, the, the dedication that he's had. Um,
- 11:46Speaker 3: so that's a big, big one for me to be
- 11:48Speaker 3: able to just see a guy like that come off
- 11:50Speaker 3: an injury and then want to continue to dominate and
- 11:52Speaker 3: still have a presence felt. And then I got to
- 11:55Speaker 3: go my, my rookie, my rookie roommate, we were roommates.
- 12:01Speaker 3: And when we first came out, I got to go Trav,
- 12:04Speaker 3: got to go Trav because Trav, Had to go from,
- 12:06Speaker 3: you know, playing offensive line for his first two years
- 12:09Speaker 3: and understanding that and getting comfortable with that. And then
- 12:11Speaker 3: making that transition to defense. It's not easy, you know,
- 12:14Speaker 3: having to really everything you took on offense. You got
- 12:17Speaker 3: to just throw it away. Now you got to be
- 12:18Speaker 3: able to take everything on defense. So just seeing that
- 12:20Speaker 3: he's embraced that role.
- 12:21Speaker 2: He's enjoyed it.
- 12:22Speaker 3: There's no no power in like he gets a chance
- 12:25Speaker 3: to play ball and. and figure out who he is
- 12:27Speaker 3: as a player. So those have been two guys who
- 12:29Speaker 3: I've enjoyed.
- 12:30Speaker 1: You mentioned Dwayne Carter. New defense for Carter as well
- 12:34Speaker 1: as the rest of the Bills defense. He moves from
- 12:37Speaker 1: 4-3 to 3-4, which really impacts defensive line. Why will
- 12:42Speaker 1: Dwayne Carter be better fit as a nose tackle and
- 12:45Speaker 1: interior defensive lineman?
- 12:47Speaker 3: I think when you're playing nose, right, it's like nine
- 12:49Speaker 3: times out of ten, in my opinion, it's a lot
- 12:51Speaker 3: of one-on-ones, right?
- 12:53Speaker 2: It's you in the center one-on-one. How do you go
- 12:55Speaker 2: and defeat this opponent? I think D.C. has that motor.
- 12:59Speaker 2: He has that intensity.
- 13:00Speaker 3: He has that fire in him that if we're stepping
- 13:03Speaker 3: into an arena and it's one-on-one, I'm taking D.C. every
- 13:06Speaker 3: time because he's going to show you why he was
- 13:09Speaker 3: a strong force in college, why he was a strong
- 13:12Speaker 3: force our rookie season as he was starting to get going,
- 13:15Speaker 3: and why he's going to continue to be a strong
- 13:17Speaker 3: force this third season. And you look at all the
- 13:20Speaker 3: guys who are playing that nose, right? No one's blocking
- 13:22Speaker 3: Ed one-on-one.
- 13:23Speaker 5: Ed.
- 13:24Speaker 3: His feet is just crazy. He looks like a skill
- 13:27Speaker 3: player out there. Same thing with Deion. You're not blocking
- 13:30Speaker 3: these guys one-on-one. So to see that all three of
- 13:33Speaker 3: them have high motors and they're going to continue to
- 13:35Speaker 3: push each other, that's been exciting. But I think DC
- 13:37Speaker 3: is going to succeed very, very well.
- 13:39Speaker 4: I want to ask you about another player.
- 13:40Speaker 1: We have Jackson Hawes on the podcast this week.
- 13:43Speaker 4: Got to speak to him. Incredible interview.
- 13:47Speaker 1: What's a fun story you've got about Jackson Hawes?
- 13:50Speaker 2: Hawes is a very, most people don't understand. He's funny.
- 13:53Speaker 3: Like he's actually really funny. He's quiet in the beginning,
- 13:56Speaker 3: but once you get to talk to him a little bit,
- 13:58Speaker 3: he could crack a couple of jokes. I don't have
- 14:01Speaker 3: a lot of stories about him in the sense of
- 14:03Speaker 3: we kind of keep those between us, but I will
- 14:06Speaker 3: say just seeing how he's embraced his role. Again, being
- 14:10Speaker 3: in that room with Leckie and DK and Dawson and
- 14:13Speaker 3: just seeing that he's come in and, Actually, you know what?
- 14:15Speaker 2: I'll take that back. I have a story.
- 14:17Speaker 4: Yeah, let's go.
- 14:18Speaker 2: My running back coach.
- 14:19Speaker 3: Called me when I was in college, Norv, and when
- 14:23Speaker 3: we drafted Halls, he goes, that person could block. He
- 14:27Speaker 3: didn't say person, but he said that person can block.
- 14:30Speaker 4: I think I know what he said.
- 14:31Speaker 3: And no one's going to stop him. Once he gets
- 14:33Speaker 3: his hands on him, it's over with. And then I
- 14:36Speaker 3: saw his rookie year, and I called my running back coach.
- 14:38Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, you was right. That person can block.
- 14:41Speaker 2: So just seeing the aggressiveness from him has been pretty fun, too.
- 14:46Speaker 1: What is it like as, I mean, you see players
- 14:50Speaker 1: at the top of the NFL. You've got guys who
- 14:54Speaker 1: are some of the best in the league in this building.
- 14:57Speaker 1: But it seems like with Jackson Hawes, people are taken
- 15:00Speaker 1: aback by his ability to block.
- 15:02Speaker 4: Why is that?
- 15:03Speaker 3: I mean, when you think about tight ends, and I
- 15:05Speaker 3: think even when you think about this offense, right, like
- 15:07Speaker 3: you've got to be two-dimensional.
- 15:09Speaker 2: But most people always assume the hands are the first thing, right?
- 15:12Speaker 3: Like can he catch? Can he run routes? That's the
- 15:14Speaker 3: first thought as a tight end. Look at our tight ends.
- 15:16Speaker 3: DK is really a receiver. Dawson's a receiver too because
- 15:20Speaker 3: they have some really, really good hands. But what can
- 15:23Speaker 3: you do for us in terms of the run blocking?
- 15:26Speaker 3: And Halls takes pride in that. If you watch a
- 15:28Speaker 3: lot of his tape, he's gone against all pro DNs,
- 15:31Speaker 3: like pro bowler DNs, like guys who made names for themselves.
- 15:36Speaker 3: He don't back down. We watched a clip earlier today.
- 15:39Speaker 3: He had Will Anderson 101 last year. didn't complain, won
- 15:43Speaker 3: his job, and he continues to do that. So when
- 15:45Speaker 3: you look at a guy like that who doesn't complain,
- 15:47Speaker 3: it's going to be like, who is it? Who's the
- 15:50Speaker 3: DN today? Who's the linebacker today? So he's embraced it.
- 15:54Speaker 5: All right.
- 15:54Speaker 1: Enjoy that interview with Jackson Hawes. We'll be back for
- 15:57Speaker 1: more after. Jackson, thanks for joining us on Inside the Charge.
- 16:00Speaker 1: Happy to have you on after a hot and sweaty
- 16:02Speaker 1: practice out there.
- 16:03Speaker 5: Yes, it was very hot and very sweaty.
- 16:06Speaker 1: Jackson you are not a rookie anymore in your second
- 16:09Speaker 1: year as an NFL player what in your game are
- 16:12Speaker 1: you retooling this season that you want to be better
- 16:15Speaker 1: this year than last year?
- 16:16Speaker 6: I think the biggest thing for me would just be
- 16:19Speaker 6: mindset and confidence and you know I kind of have
- 16:23Speaker 6: a solid foundation I feel like with how I played
- 16:26Speaker 6: last year and kind of just building on the things
- 16:28Speaker 6: that I'm already good at and kind of getting better
- 16:31Speaker 6: at the things that.
- 16:31Speaker 5: I struggle with.
- 16:32Speaker 4: What in your mindset are you changing?
- 16:35Speaker 6: Just the belief, you know, I feel like last year
- 16:37Speaker 6: you kind of go out there and you're a little
- 16:40Speaker 6: bit unsure if some of these new techniques that you're
- 16:42Speaker 6: being taught like in the last couple of months are
- 16:44Speaker 6: going to work and you see them work and kind
- 16:47Speaker 6: of build that through the reps. And so I think
- 16:50Speaker 6: just flipping that switch and going like, yeah, I got this.
- 16:54Speaker 6: It makes a big difference and it's really been helping
- 16:56Speaker 6: me kind of throughout camp and the preseason.
- 17:00Speaker 1: Was there something in technique that you learned this past
- 17:03Speaker 1: season that at first it was like, I don't know
- 17:06Speaker 1: how I feel about this, but once you tried it
- 17:08Speaker 1: in a game, it really stuck for you?
- 17:10Speaker 6: So I've kind of been, Dawson's got this little chop
- 17:14Speaker 6: down where we'll go against like a DN that's standing up.
- 17:17Speaker 6: So there's a little bit more space. They're kind of
- 17:21Speaker 6: in a more agile position. And so he kind of
- 17:23Speaker 6: gets them leaning and then he's such a vet. He's
- 17:26Speaker 6: a lot better at doing it than me, obviously, but
- 17:28Speaker 6: it'll just kind of chop them down, chop their arms down.
- 17:30Speaker 6: And I've kind of been trying it out there. It's
- 17:33Speaker 6: been a little successful at times, but you know, I've
- 17:36Speaker 6: got some work to do on it.
- 17:37Speaker 1: Your head coach, Joe Brady called you a brilliant human
- 17:40Speaker 1: earlier this off season.
- 17:41Speaker 4: He said.
- 17:43Speaker 1: They put a ton on your plate in your rookie season.
- 17:45Speaker 1: What was that ton on your plate?
- 17:48Speaker 6: You know, I think that, um, You know, Chrome and
- 17:52Speaker 6: Boris and Joe just dialing up the run plan like
- 17:56Speaker 6: every week and sitting in those meetings, there's a ton
- 17:59Speaker 6: of detail and we kind of run the same stuff,
- 18:01Speaker 6: but we just dress it up differently each time. And
- 18:03Speaker 6: I think that's a big reason, you know, obviously we've
- 18:06Speaker 6: got great offensive line, great receivers that block, Josh getting
- 18:09Speaker 6: the right checks and, you know, Jimbo and Ray and
- 18:12Speaker 6: Ty are just all really fast.
- 18:14Speaker 5: And, you know, of course the tight end room.
- 18:16Speaker 6: Is not too bad either, but like, you know, I
- 18:18Speaker 6: think it's just everyone coming together and these coaches giving
- 18:20Speaker 6: us a great great plan that really kind of caters
- 18:22Speaker 6: to each guy's strengths. You know, we've got guys that
- 18:24Speaker 6: are good, better on the front side, guys that are
- 18:27Speaker 6: better on the backside, you know, zone and, you know,
- 18:30Speaker 6: downhill runs.
- 18:31Speaker 5: So yeah, I think it's been, it's been good.
- 18:33Speaker 1: When you talk to veterans or offensive linemen on the team,
- 18:36Speaker 1: they say, we've learned something from Jackson Hawes and the
- 18:40Speaker 1: way that he blocks. Blocking is not easy. It's about
- 18:43Speaker 1: hand placement and your feet. What is the art of
- 18:46Speaker 1: blocking from a master like yourself?
- 18:49Speaker 6: Um, I can't give away too many secrets, right? You know,
- 18:52Speaker 6: I've got to say the master. I think for me,
- 18:56Speaker 6: if you kind of just... I've thought about this a lot.
- 18:59Speaker 5: I have.
- 19:01Speaker 4: Keep you up at night?
- 19:02Speaker 5: Honestly, it really does sometimes, yeah. I think the biggest
- 19:05Speaker 5: thing is.
- 19:08Speaker 6: Just like kind of... This sounds so nerdy and weird.
- 19:10Speaker 6: It's kind of like physics and just putting your body between...
- 19:14Speaker 6: the bad guys and the good guys that's really all
- 19:17Speaker 6: it is and just how can I get my body
- 19:19Speaker 6: in this guy's way how is this guy trying to
- 19:22Speaker 6: move me out of the way how can I make
- 19:25Speaker 6: sure he doesn't move me out of the way I
- 19:27Speaker 6: think that kind of breaking it down simply like that
- 19:30Speaker 6: it kind of sounds a little silly but there's definitely
- 19:33Speaker 6: levels into it and I think different players are good
- 19:36Speaker 6: at different things and You kind of go into a
- 19:38Speaker 6: week knowing that and kind of how do I beat that?
- 19:40Speaker 4: Okay, we have physics. We have nerdy. We have physicality.
- 19:45Speaker 1: Dawson Knox has already called you an Ivy League meathead.
- 19:48Speaker 1: You went to Yale. People say opposites attract. Why does
- 19:53Speaker 1: Yale and the physicality of the game mix together for you?
- 19:58Speaker 6: That's a great question. I feel like this game, you
- 20:00Speaker 6: have to be really intelligent to play it. You can
- 20:04Speaker 6: be like a really good athlete. You can be one
- 20:06Speaker 6: of the strongest, fastest guys out there. They can, you know,
- 20:09Speaker 6: jump really high and catch the ball really well. I
- 20:14Speaker 6: think if you don't have the mental tools to know
- 20:17Speaker 6: your strengths and when to use them, you can't play
- 20:21Speaker 6: as fast. And the guys that are really good, you know,
- 20:23Speaker 6: are able to kind of marry up the two. You know,
- 20:26Speaker 6: they have a really good mindset. They're really smart and they,
- 20:29Speaker 6: you know, have the physical tools to do it. So
- 20:31Speaker 6: I think that's what attracts me.
- 20:32Speaker 1: You love smash mouth football, knowing when to use your strengths.
- 20:37Speaker 1: What goes on in your brain when you're out on
- 20:39Speaker 1: the field, Ben?
- 20:41Speaker 6: You kind of just create like little checklists, you know,
- 20:44Speaker 6: with each play. And I think the most important thing
- 20:48Speaker 6: is just like seeing the coaches like prepare us during
- 20:51Speaker 6: the week and kind of just, I don't know, going
- 20:54Speaker 6: through like when I'm playing video games or something or like, again,
- 20:57Speaker 6: when I'm in the bed late and I kind of
- 20:59Speaker 6: just getting those mental reps and kind of seeing, how
- 21:02Speaker 6: it's going to look on Sunday or whenever we're playing beforehand.
- 21:05Speaker 6: And so, you know, you only get one time, you
- 21:08Speaker 6: only get 60 minutes to go against the guys you're
- 21:10Speaker 6: going against. You go against the scout team, but it's
- 21:13Speaker 6: not really the same, obviously. And so it's really the
- 21:15Speaker 6: mental reps, I think, that stack up and help you out.
- 21:20Speaker 1: When are you doing these mental reps? You said at
- 21:22Speaker 1: night before you go to sleep?
- 21:24Speaker 5: Just random times.
- 21:25Speaker 6: Yeah, just random times during the day, kind of just
- 21:27Speaker 6: thinking about the game, you know. Obviously, like if I'm,
- 21:31Speaker 6: you know, chilling, playing. I guess I lied when I
- 21:35Speaker 6: said video games. If I'm playing video games, I'm really
- 21:37Speaker 6: locked into that.
- 21:38Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 21:39Speaker 6: But you know, if I'm going for a walk or, um,
- 21:42Speaker 6: just in like the training room or just even out here,
- 21:44Speaker 6: like between reps, kind of just thinking about what it's
- 21:46Speaker 6: going to be like, uh, kind of those instances.
- 21:49Speaker 4: What video games do you love to play?
- 21:51Speaker 6: Uh, lately I've been getting into Black Ops 2 Zombies.
- 21:54Speaker 5: Okay.
- 21:55Speaker 6: Um, a couple of the guys have been playing that,
- 21:57Speaker 6: which has been really fun. Um, really excited for the
- 22:00Speaker 6: new GTA.
- 22:01Speaker 2: Okay.
- 22:02Speaker 6: I've been playing the battlefield six with some friends back home.
- 22:05Speaker 6: So just kind of all the fun ones.
- 22:09Speaker 1: Kaleke Latu made the roster this year. He was on
- 22:12Speaker 1: the practice squad last year.
- 22:14Speaker 4: I know you guys are tight.
- 22:15Speaker 1: He talked to me about wanting to be a better
- 22:18Speaker 1: blocker this season. And he said, I went to Jackson
- 22:21Speaker 1: for insight. And Jackson told me, you just have to
- 22:24Speaker 1: be an ogre out there.
- 22:25Speaker 5: That's fair.
- 22:27Speaker 4: Why does that work for you, Jackson?
- 22:30Speaker 6: I mean, I think that like, You know, when you
- 22:34Speaker 6: think of, like, an ogre, like, it's kind of, like, it's, like, stinky. Like,
- 22:38Speaker 6: I kind of think of, like, someone annoying, like, being, like,
- 22:41Speaker 6: a nuisance, you know? And so I think that, like,
- 22:44Speaker 6: the more the defenders can think about us, you know,
- 22:46Speaker 6: the less they think about James or Josh or whoever
- 22:49Speaker 6: has the ball. And so you want them to just
- 22:51Speaker 6: think about you as much as you can.
- 22:54Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 22:55Speaker 1: Second year in the league, what would be a success
- 22:58Speaker 1: in your eyes when you look back at your second year.
- 23:01Speaker 4: In the league?
- 23:03Speaker 5: It's kind of a great question um super bowl.
- 23:08Speaker 4: Uh nothing else really matters honestly individually though.
- 23:13Speaker 6: Um just not losing a lot of plays just winning
- 23:19Speaker 6: every play i know that's not realistic i don't i
- 23:23Speaker 6: don't know um that I had fun and connected with
- 23:27Speaker 6: my teammates.
- 23:28Speaker 4: There you go.
- 23:29Speaker 5: Okay.
- 23:30Speaker 1: That's an A plus answer right there from the teacher
- 23:33Speaker 1: grading your homework.
- 23:35Speaker 5: Honestly.
- 23:38Speaker 1: You are such a physical player out there. It's obvious
- 23:41Speaker 1: to see with the way that you play the game.
- 23:43Speaker 1: What do you tell yourself before a game to get
- 23:45Speaker 1: you into that headspace?
- 23:48Speaker 6: Um, you know, I used to really get myself riled
- 23:50Speaker 6: up with like hype music. I, I'm kind of just chill,
- 23:54Speaker 6: like just being in the moment, you know, I kind of,
- 23:56Speaker 6: I have this little routine I go through. You know,
- 23:59Speaker 6: I'm just kind of talking to guys, just keeping the
- 24:00Speaker 6: vibes chill. I don't know. I've recently started watching kind
- 24:06Speaker 6: of like Animal Planet videos.
- 24:07Speaker 1: Okay.
- 24:08Speaker 6: So like before the Carolina preseason game, I was like
- 24:12Speaker 6: watching this pack of wolves like hunt a bison, which
- 24:16Speaker 6: was kind of cool.
- 24:17Speaker 5: It wasn't a buffalo. It was a bison. I would
- 24:20Speaker 5: have turned it off if that was the case. But no, yeah.
- 24:23Speaker 4: Channeling your inner animal.
- 24:25Speaker 6: So that that works kind of cool yeah I mean
- 24:27Speaker 6: football you know we're going out there doing crazy stuff
- 24:31Speaker 6: running into each other like yeah.
- 24:34Speaker 1: How has your relationship grown with guys in the tight
- 24:37Speaker 1: end room like Dawson Knox and Dalton Kincaid just in
- 24:40Speaker 1: a year of being here it's.
- 24:41Speaker 6: Been awesome yeah I think like me specifically when I
- 24:45Speaker 6: came in as a rookie like I just really wanted
- 24:48Speaker 6: to do my job really well so much to the
- 24:51Speaker 6: point where I kind of would neglect connecting with a
- 24:55Speaker 6: lot of guys. I'd just be kind of head down
- 24:57Speaker 6: in the facility. I'm going to just say the right
- 25:00Speaker 6: thing or not say anything at all. And I do
- 25:03Speaker 6: kind of regret that from the standpoint that I think
- 25:05Speaker 6: I could have learned the playbook and still, you know,
- 25:09Speaker 6: had a little bit of a better experience connecting with guys.
- 25:11Speaker 6: But I think that the off season and camp was
- 25:14Speaker 6: just so fun. Like we have a really, really fun team.
- 25:19Speaker 6: Everyone's personalities just shine. And like, I, I hate to
- 25:23Speaker 6: be biased, but I feel like it's not that way
- 25:25Speaker 6: in other places. Like you go into that locker room,
- 25:29Speaker 6: people are chatting, like hanging out with each other. Tight
- 25:33Speaker 6: ends specifically like DOS, DAL, LEC, like we have a
- 25:36Speaker 6: great room and we all like bring a lot of
- 25:39Speaker 6: different strengths to the table. And I think we mesh really,
- 25:42Speaker 6: really well. Like those tight end meetings and just when
- 25:44Speaker 6: we hang out outside, like it's.
- 25:46Speaker 5: It's fun.
- 25:47Speaker 1: That's awesome to hear. You said training camp was fun. Well,
- 25:50Speaker 1: Josh Allen calls you the.
- 25:51Speaker 4: Lord of Catan.
- 25:53Speaker 1: Dawson Knox said Jackson Hawes won the World Catan Championships
- 25:58Speaker 1: at training camp.
- 25:59Speaker 4: What was your winning strategy?
- 26:01Speaker 5: That's where that came from.
- 26:03Speaker 6: Because I heard someone said I came from someone said
- 26:05Speaker 6: I was the world champion. Like I compete in like tournaments.
- 26:08Speaker 1: And I'm like, I went to Scotland to compete in
- 26:12Speaker 1: the Catan World Championship.
- 26:13Speaker 5: I should tell people that. Is it actually in Scotland?
- 26:15Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm just making it up. That'd be cool.
- 26:17Speaker 4: Is there a Catan World Championship? We have to check.
- 26:19Speaker 5: Probably.
- 26:20Speaker 4: We'll check the tapes.
- 26:20Speaker 5: We'll check.
- 26:22Speaker 6: No, I actually was doing very poorly. I was the
- 26:24Speaker 6: only one that didn't win anything. We kind of had
- 26:29Speaker 6: the preliminary rounds where we'd all play each other for seeding.
- 26:31Speaker 6: I probably lost like five or six games. So I
- 26:34Speaker 6: was the eighth seed.
- 26:35Speaker 5: Wow.
- 26:35Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 26:37Speaker 5: Yeah, I just kind of came in and just shut
- 26:40Speaker 5: them up, you know?
- 26:40Speaker 4: No way. Just dominated.
- 26:42Speaker 6: I can't remember how I did it. I probably had
- 26:44Speaker 6: a longest road in there. I'm more of a longest
- 26:47Speaker 6: road over largest army guy for you Catan knowers.
- 26:51Speaker 5: Ball knowers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was fun.
- 26:55Speaker 4: And it just worked for you.
- 26:56Speaker 2: Yep.
- 26:57Speaker 6: And then Dawson is the prince. Dalt is the knight.
- 27:04Speaker 6: and kyle is the the jester okay so we kind
- 27:07Speaker 6: of have our our tears.
- 27:09Speaker 1: Man way to go congratulations on winning the world championship.
- 27:14Speaker 5: Spence is the um executioner as well okay i forgot.
- 27:16Speaker 1: To mention all right let's go rapid fire to finish
- 27:18Speaker 1: off what's one thing on your bucket list.
- 27:22Speaker 5: Probably antarctica with the fam oh.
- 27:24Speaker 1: That would be fun uh what's the weirdest weirdest part
- 27:27Speaker 1: of your game day routine.
- 27:31Speaker 5: Weirdest part? Probably the Animal Planet videos. It's kind of weird.
- 27:34Speaker 4: That's good. Who's the funniest person in the Tide End room?
- 27:38Speaker 5: Adult's pretty funny.
- 27:40Speaker 4: What's your go-to TV show?
- 27:43Speaker 5: Lately, it's been House of Dragons.
- 27:45Speaker 4: What's your pump-up song?
- 27:46Speaker 5: I don't really have a specific one. It kind of varies.
- 27:49Speaker 4: Any artist in particular?
- 27:51Speaker 5: It's really random. Varies. Very random. All right.
- 27:54Speaker 4: What's one thing you won't miss about your rookie season?
- 27:58Speaker 5: Hmm. Being the young guy on the team.
- 28:02Speaker 4: He's no longer the young guy.
- 28:03Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 28:04Speaker 4: Appreciate the time, Jackson. Appreciate it.
- 28:06Speaker 5: Thank you.
- 28:07Speaker 1: All right, Ray, we asked some fans if they had
- 28:10Speaker 1: any questions for you. We got a good one from
- 28:12Speaker 1: Cooper Talks Ball. He wanted to know, is there a
- 28:15Speaker 1: difference between Joe Brady, the offensive coordinator, and Joe Brady,
- 28:19Speaker 1: the head coach?
- 28:20Speaker 2: There's no difference.
- 28:21Speaker 3: Joe is the same guy when he walks through this
- 28:23Speaker 3: building every day. Whether he has a head coach hat
- 28:26Speaker 3: on or whether he has an OC hat on, he's
- 28:28Speaker 3: a guy who's going to give you the same energy
- 28:30Speaker 3: same enthusiasm in a good way. And that's something that
- 28:34Speaker 3: you love as a coach, right? Like there's never no
- 28:37Speaker 3: highs and lows. And if there is, he doesn't really
- 28:39Speaker 3: show it. And I think that's pretty good too. So
- 28:42Speaker 3: Joe is Joe whiteboard with motion.
- 28:44Speaker 2: All the time.
- 28:45Speaker 1: The energy that players talk about that he has off of,
- 28:50Speaker 1: you know, his own natural energy and then the caffeine
- 28:54Speaker 1: that he ingests throughout the day. where does Joe Brady
- 28:58Speaker 1: energy show up most? And what does that look like?
- 29:01Speaker 2: On the field? Definitely. You know, it shows up a
- 29:04Speaker 2: lot on the field. Um, you know, when he's calling
- 29:06Speaker 2: plays and we're doing our team, team situations and things
- 29:09Speaker 2: like that, like he's a competitor.
- 29:11Speaker 3: He, he's a big, big competitor. So seeing that side
- 29:14Speaker 3: where he's always like, put the ball down. I don't
- 29:16Speaker 3: care who it is, where it is. We're going to play.
- 29:19Speaker 3: You have to play us. And we're going to show
- 29:21Speaker 3: you why we're the Buffalo bills. And that's the, that's
- 29:24Speaker 3: the energy that you need. It's like, it's, it's, It's
- 29:28Speaker 3: just so nice.
- 29:31Speaker 1: So many players have also said that he just does
- 29:33Speaker 1: a fantastic job relating to other players. He comes off
- 29:37Speaker 1: as a real human being with feelings.
- 29:39Speaker 4: And emotions. How does he relate to players? Why is
- 29:43Speaker 4: he good at that?
- 29:44Speaker 2: I think you just look at his journey, right?
- 29:46Speaker 3: Like he has a player's journey, in my opinion, where
- 29:49Speaker 3: you've been to a couple of places over your career.
- 29:51Speaker 3: You know, you may not have had the best winning record, right?
- 29:54Speaker 2: But you know what struggle is like, you know, being
- 29:57Speaker 2: on the back end of something. to where he can, again,
- 30:02Speaker 2: relate to us.
- 30:03Speaker 3: Guys go through a lot of cuts, releases, things of
- 30:06Speaker 3: that nature where he's able to kind of be like, hey,
- 30:08Speaker 3: I've been there. I know what it feels like to
- 30:11Speaker 3: be the last guy in and last guy out. I
- 30:13Speaker 3: know what it feels like to be the last person
- 30:15Speaker 3: to get a job, like things of that nature. So
- 30:18Speaker 3: just understanding that he's been in our shoes, maybe not
- 30:21Speaker 3: on the field, but more in life with some of
- 30:23Speaker 3: the situations that you have to sacrifice to be able
- 30:25Speaker 3: to get what you want.
- 30:27Speaker 2: So being able to know that It's somebody that's been
- 30:29Speaker 2: there and done it. You feel a little bit better
- 30:32Speaker 2: talking to that individual.
- 30:33Speaker 1: You guys came back in the building in April to
- 30:35Speaker 1: begin workouts. You then had OTAs. You had mandatory mini camp,
- 30:39Speaker 1: training camp, and a whole preseason.
- 30:42Speaker 4: Here we are. What is firing you up for this season?
- 30:48Speaker 2: Bill's Mafia. Like, you know, it's pretty cut and dry.
- 30:54Speaker 3: We want to get it done for them, right? And
- 30:58Speaker 3: That's the motivation that we all have. We want to
- 31:00Speaker 3: get it done for this fan base, for this city.
- 31:02Speaker 3: We're the only football team in New York, so this state,
- 31:06Speaker 3: we want to get it done. And that's the motivation
- 31:09Speaker 3: that I have. That's the fire that I'm going in with.
- 31:12Speaker 3: Do what I can do, control what I can control,
- 31:13Speaker 3: and let God take the will.
- 31:16Speaker 1: Houston Texans, awesome opponent to draw week one because why
- 31:21Speaker 1: not jump right into the thick of it, playing against
- 31:24Speaker 1: a great defense. They've got some playmakers on offense as well.
- 31:29Speaker 1: As a player, why is it better to just jump
- 31:32Speaker 1: in the deep end?
- 31:35Speaker 2: You knock it out. You know, it's like when I
- 31:37Speaker 2: was young and I couldn't swim, my dad would go,
- 31:39Speaker 2: all right, I'm going to teach you how to swim.
- 31:41Speaker 2: And what did he do?
- 31:41Speaker 3: Throw me in the deep end and I had to
- 31:43Speaker 3: survive and swim out of it, right? So it's kind
- 31:45Speaker 3: of this game and this situation, right? Let's go in
- 31:48Speaker 3: the deep end. Let's go swim. Let's go have fun
- 31:51Speaker 3: and enjoy it. So that's the mindset and, hey, you know,
- 31:56Speaker 3: Let's get a W.
- 31:56Speaker 4: Let's get a W.
- 31:58Speaker 1: We're going to end it there. Let's get a W
- 32:00Speaker 1: for week one. So excited to watch you guys work.
- 32:03Speaker 1: It's been an off season of fun, but I'm ready
- 32:06Speaker 1: for it. I cannot wait. I can't wait to have
- 32:09Speaker 1: things to talk about related to the season. And I
- 32:12Speaker 1: also can't wait to watch this new defense.
- 32:14Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
- 32:15Speaker 4: We've been talking about it.
- 32:16Speaker 2: Let's see.
- 32:16Speaker 4: Let's see it.
- 32:17Speaker 2: See if they can get another Ray Day big plays.
- 32:19Speaker 4: Ray Day big plays.
- 32:20Speaker 1: We're coming back with more because we'll have a game
- 32:23Speaker 1: to talk about.
- 32:23Speaker 4: Can't wait to see. What you think, you know, are
- 32:26Speaker 4: some good plays.
- 32:27Speaker 5: Yeah. All right.
- 32:28Speaker 4: Appreciate it, Ray.
- 32:29Speaker 2: No problem. Thank you.
- 32:30Speaker 5: Of course.
- 32:30Speaker 1: We got more coming your way. Make sure you stay
- 32:33Speaker 1: locked on Inside the Charge.
- 32:34Speaker 5: Inside the Charge.