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Married security-guard-dad-of-9 shot dead after telling peeved mom to use face mask · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: for you for free. Goodbye, friend, keep the faith. His
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Speaker 1: nickname is Super Duper aka Duper for short. So how
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Speaker 1: does this devoted father of nine end up dead on
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Speaker 1: the floor of a family dollar Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation, and Sirius XM
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Speaker 1: one eleven, let's get it off with our friends at
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Speaker 1: Fox To Detroit. His family, says the lovable father of
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Speaker 1: six children and three step children cared for his family
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Speaker 1: more than anything. His name focus on anything twenty four
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Speaker 1: seven was his MoMA, his keys, and his wife Munderlin
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Speaker 1: even getting the nicknames super Duper from his mother because
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Speaker 1: he was always helping others, was ripping one and trying
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Speaker 1: to help everybody is better. He put everybody before him.
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Speaker 1: You know I'm hearing our friend Erica Erickson at Fox
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Speaker 1: To describing Calvin Munderlin, just forty three years old, the
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Speaker 1: father of nine. All the guy did, according to family friends,
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Speaker 1: co workers, was work like a dog and spend time
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Speaker 1: with his family. I have listened to what so many
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Speaker 1: people have to say about Calvin aka Superdeeper. They said,
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Speaker 1: no matter where he was, he had one or more
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Speaker 1: of the nine children with him with me as an
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Speaker 1: all star panel to break it down and put it
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Speaker 1: back together again. I just I just don't get why
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Speaker 1: a hard working guy just trying to support his family
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Speaker 1: has to be dead on the floor of the family
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Speaker 1: Dollar with me. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer. You
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Speaker 1: can find her at NCA Domestic Law. Knows her way
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Speaker 1: around the courtroom. Psychoanalyst to the stars. Doctor Bethany Marshall
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Speaker 1: joining me from LA on Insta. Doctor Bethany Marshall. Cloyd
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Speaker 1: Steiger thirty six years Seattle PD twenty two homicide, author
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Speaker 1: of Seattle's Forgotten serial Killer, Gary Jean Grant at Cloyd
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Speaker 1: Steiger dot com Forensics Jacksonville State University and author of
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Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert,
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Speaker 1: joining us or right now to the lead news anchor
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Speaker 1: or Orlando Wdbo, Ray Caputo, right. I just don't get
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Speaker 1: how a guy like Calvin Munnerlin ends up dead. Hey, Ray,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at Fox too. It's
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Speaker 1: just no excuse for somebody to take this kind of
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Speaker 1: an action over this kind of an issue. Shot in
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Speaker 1: the head, killed apparently for telling someone to put on
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Speaker 1: a mask. This was totally uncalled for he didn bother
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Speaker 1: a soul. The family of forty three year old Kelvin Munnerlin,
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Speaker 1: known lovingly as Super Duper, says he've been working at
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Speaker 1: this family dollar store on Fifth Avenue in Flint as
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Speaker 1: a security guard for the past few months. It's so devastating.
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Speaker 1: He shouldn't have been and lost his life by shy
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Speaker 1: to say through his mom Glent. Police in the Genesee
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Speaker 1: County Prosecutor's Office say Friday afternoon, forty five year old
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Speaker 1: Charmel Teague came into the store Munerlin ordering her to
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Speaker 1: put a mask on. Police Atigue began yelling and spinning
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Speaker 1: on him, Muna Lynn telling the cashier not to serve her.
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Speaker 1: You know. Back to you, Ray Kiputo, Lady News anchor
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Speaker 1: or Landay Morning News BDBO. Ray, explain to me, how
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Speaker 1: did the whole thing start? Well, Nancy, you know that
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Speaker 1: Michigan's one of the many states that has a lockdown order.
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Speaker 1: So basically the governor there says that people have to
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Speaker 1: wear masks inside and closed buildings. You know, that's the
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Speaker 1: order of the day. So Calvin was working at a
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Speaker 1: dollar a family dollar, a dollar general's store. Here's a
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Speaker 1: hard working guy doing his job, and a couple of
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Speaker 1: people come in, Charmel Teague and her little girl, and
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Speaker 1: Charmel is wearing a face mask and the little girls not.
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Speaker 1: So he's just doing his job. Calvin comes up to
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Speaker 1: Charmel because you know, the kid has to have a mask.
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Speaker 1: She carently didn't like what he said in a verbal argument, ensuit.
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Speaker 1: That's how things started to go downhill. I want to
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Speaker 1: go out to doctor Bethany Marshall. Everybody in that jurisdiction.
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Speaker 1: This is just a little north of downtown Flint, Michigan.
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Speaker 1: Everybody there is under orders by the governor. Not all
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Speaker 1: businesses have been open, but the ones that are open,
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Speaker 1: you're supposed to be wearing face mask. Why do you
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Speaker 1: have to have a fight about a face mask, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: There is so much rage that's being projected into the
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Speaker 1: issue of face masks. I think wage inequality, whatever is
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Speaker 1: going on in a person's personal life. You know, we
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Speaker 1: are all used to protecting ourselves, going to the doctor
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Speaker 1: for every little ache and pain and symptom, but there
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Speaker 1: is very little public discourse about protecting the health and
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Speaker 1: lives of others. And wearing a mask is not just
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Speaker 1: for yourself. It is for other people. The only public
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Speaker 1: discourse on taking some action for saving the lives of
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Speaker 1: others is in drinking and driving and smoking. And that's it.
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Speaker 1: So Charmel who walked into the store and her little
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Speaker 1: girl did not have a mask on, was only thinking
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Speaker 1: about herself and her little girl. She was not thinking
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Speaker 1: about everybody else in that store. There was a big
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Speaker 1: breakout here in Pasadena. A family gathered, they had a
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Speaker 1: family birthday party. One of the kids didn't wear a mask,
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Speaker 1: coughed all over everybody and there it became a hot
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Speaker 1: spot for COVID and spread throughout the community. So kids
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Speaker 1: have to wear masks too. Guys who are talking about
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Speaker 1: the death, the shooting death of a forty three year old,
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Speaker 1: a guy doing his job devoted to his family. What
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Speaker 1: did you just say about wage inequality? Because when I
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Speaker 1: go in, for instance, Costco, they don't care. Hey, I
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Speaker 1: am I got to wear a mask. So what are
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Speaker 1: you saying, doctor Bethanie about wearing a mask has something
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Speaker 1: to do with wage inequality and that makes people mad.
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Speaker 1: That doesn't even make sense to me. Well, I guess
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Nancy is no, no, no, no, don't yes,
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Speaker 1: what you're saying, What are you saying? You're already talking
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Speaker 1: and in psychoanalyst terms that I'm just a JD. Okay,
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Speaker 1: you gotta break you down, for there is a subculture
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Speaker 1: in our country who is enraged. These are the people
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Speaker 1: who protested in Charlottesville. This is the guy who ran
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Speaker 1: somebody over with a car. These are people who commit crimes,
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Speaker 1: and I think that sometimes. I know I'm a psychoanalyst,
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Speaker 1: not a politician, but I do think wage inequality. I
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Speaker 1: think conspiracy theories that are just abounding on the internet,
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Speaker 1: mistrust of science. Bring it home, Bethanie, bring it home.
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Speaker 1: Let me get you out of the wage and they
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Speaker 1: took it out on this poor security. What had to
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Speaker 1: do with wage inequality? What are you saying? I know,
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Speaker 1: I argue you say, did she say wedge inequality? You did?
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Speaker 1: What does that have to do with face masks? Hey,
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Speaker 1: I'm digging myself into a hole here, Nancy, Nancy, there
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Speaker 1: is huge wage and equality in our country and as
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Speaker 1: it Okay, you're making my head and my teeth her.
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Speaker 1: What does that have to do with face masks? Well,
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Speaker 1: rage can get projected into an object or a symbol,
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Speaker 1: does not have to do with she felt that fault. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Charmel felt that following the rules was putting her out,
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Speaker 1: was insulting her, was taking away her civil liberty. What
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Speaker 1: does that have to do with wage? Can you just
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Speaker 1: go ahead mit? Admit had nothing to do with rage.
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Speaker 1: It had nothing to do with wage. You're right, you're
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Speaker 1: the prosecutor. I'm on the pay. If it does, tell me,
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Speaker 1: because I want to understand, I can't do it, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: If it does have to do with wage inequality, which
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Speaker 1: I recognize. You know, I remember working three way at
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Speaker 1: one point four jobs as a district when I was
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Speaker 1: an assistant district attorney, just to make my house payment
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Speaker 1: in my car payment, which smoked from under the hood
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Speaker 1: every time I stopped at a red light. But I
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Speaker 1: just want you to tell me in one sentence what
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Speaker 1: wage inequality has to do with face masks. I believe
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Speaker 1: that people who have intergenerational wage inequality are prone to
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Speaker 1: being more angry and more anti authority, and they took
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Speaker 1: it out on this poor security guard. Okay, Now I
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Speaker 1: hear what you're saying, and what I'm selecting, cherry picking
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Speaker 1: out of what you've been saying, is that there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of rage right now in general because of COVID lockdown,
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Speaker 1: and face masks have turned into a symbol of that
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Speaker 1: rage that I'm getting and that I had not thought
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Speaker 1: of until you brought it up. That it's some disrespecting
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Speaker 1: people to ask them to wear a face mask. See,
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Speaker 1: all I know is that if I want to go
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Speaker 1: in to Costco and get my chicken tiquimusala, I have
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Speaker 1: to wear a face mask. Okay, So I don't even
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Speaker 1: think about why, who, what where? Why? When I know
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Speaker 1: what I want, I know what I gotta do to
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Speaker 1: get it. Bam. But you're bringing up a whole different
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Speaker 1: can bala wax here climb stories with Nancy Greece. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we're talking about why a forty three year old dad
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Speaker 1: of nine ends up shot in the back of the head.
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Speaker 1: Everything doctor Bethany just said is most likely true. But
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Speaker 1: I still don't get why he's shot in the back
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Speaker 1: of the head, why he's got nine children without a dad?
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Speaker 1: Right now, take a listen to our Dave Matt from
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Speaker 1: Crimoline dot com. Forty three year old Calvin Munerland is
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Speaker 1: working as a security guard for the Family Dollar in Flint, Michigan.
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Speaker 1: When Charmel Tigue and her five year old come into
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Speaker 1: the store. The forty five year old mother is wearing
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Speaker 1: a mask, as stay guidelines require, but the child does not.
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Speaker 1: When Munerland tells Tigue that her child must wear a mask,
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Speaker 1: she yells at him, spits on him, and drives off.
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Speaker 1: About twenty minutes later, she returns to the store with
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Speaker 1: her forty four year old husband, Larry Edward Tigue and
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Speaker 1: twenty three year old son Raymonier Trevon Bishop. All three
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Speaker 1: confront Munerlin. So explain to me, back to you, Ray Kaputo,
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Speaker 1: lead news anchor Orlando Wdbo. So he super Deeper asked
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Speaker 1: the mom, and I believe that to be forty five
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Speaker 1: year olds, trumelt put a mask on your daughter. The
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Speaker 1: mom throws a fit, and I'm sure this is all
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Speaker 1: on surveillance video. PTL and Jackie shaking her head. Yes,
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Speaker 1: you know, you never know which. I'll circle back with you,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott and Cloyd Steiger because you look around, you
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Speaker 1: think you see cameras, half of them aren't working, half
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Speaker 1: of them tape over, blah blah. She throws a fit
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Speaker 1: and actually spits on super Deeper. Calvin Munlin and then
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Speaker 1: stomps off and a half oh wait, I left something out.
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Speaker 1: He tells her, put a mask on your daughter. She
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Speaker 1: throws a big fit, won't do it. He tells the
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Speaker 1: cashier don't serve them. Now, remember he's under governor's order
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Speaker 1: to do this. He's the one that will get a
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Speaker 1: ticket or an ordinance violation or maybe even closed down
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Speaker 1: the family dollar. And so that's what she spits on
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Speaker 1: him and stops off. Do I have the facts correct
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Speaker 1: so far? Ray, computer, I'm I'm leaving anything out because, frankly, Ray,
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Speaker 1: as you well know, one fact can change the outcome
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Speaker 1: of a trial or the way we look at it.
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Speaker 1: Something else may have happened that I don't know about.
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Speaker 1: It may change everything. So what am I leaving out?
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Speaker 1: If anything? But that's the facts, Nancy, including what you
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Speaker 1: just mentioned at the end that Kelvin told the cashier
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Speaker 1: not to serve Charmel and I believe that's what really
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Speaker 1: really set her off. Tell me, but you got the
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Speaker 1: facts right. Why do you say that's really what set
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Speaker 1: her off? Well, you know what, she was denied service there.
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Speaker 1: She must have thought, this is just a Dollar General
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Speaker 1: security guard. Who's this guy? Too. Why did you just
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Speaker 1: say he's just a family dollar security guard. Did you
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Speaker 1: just say, I'm assuming that's what shar I personally guysly Calvin,
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Speaker 1: Nancy or unsung. My father was a blue collar worker
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Speaker 1: as a freight agent for the Southern Railway Norfolk Southern,
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Speaker 1: and he worked god awful hours, had to drive from
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Speaker 1: one place to another until he finally got a secure spot.
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Speaker 1: And he helped put me through law school, my sister
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Speaker 1: through PhD at Wharton, and my brother through his undergraduate degree. So,
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Speaker 1: you know what, I don't take it very kindly when
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Speaker 1: people say, like Calvin, but I hear what you're saying,
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Speaker 1: and I think you're right. Ray Ka Puto. I think
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Speaker 1: she thought, I'm not letting some security guard at family
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Speaker 1: daughter tell me what to do. I guarantee you you're right.
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Speaker 1: And it's all mashed up and what doctor Bethany was saying.
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Speaker 1: I want to circle back very quickly to Chloyd Siger
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Speaker 1: thirty six years Seattle PD. I know in my heart now,
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Speaker 1: Cloyd Siger, and I'm always amazed with you thirty six years,
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Speaker 1: Seattle PD. Twenty two years of that in homicide now,
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Speaker 1: author of Seattle's Forgotten serial killer Gary Jane Graham Kloyd,
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Speaker 1: how many times has I mean a triple homicide? I'm
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Speaker 1: just thinking of one in my head that I prosecuted.
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Speaker 1: Crazy things. Everything goes haywire over something as small as
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Speaker 1: your daughter needs to wear a face mask, and everything
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Speaker 1: just goes Nancy, I can bat crazy. Yeah, I can't
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Speaker 1: begin to tell you how many murders I've investigated or
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Speaker 1: absolutely over nothing, over some minor little disagreement and the
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Speaker 1: guns come out and people start shooting, or this stab
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Speaker 1: or this strangle. It's just, you know, I don't know
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Speaker 1: what it is, but we live in a society where
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Speaker 1: some people just have no value of human life and
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Speaker 1: will something else. I agree with you, Cloyd, no value
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Speaker 1: on a human life, but the impulse control. You know,
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Speaker 1: I'm very anti gun from my home, our home, and
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Speaker 1: my husband doesn't feel that way, but he goes along
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Speaker 1: with me because I remember the first time I had
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Speaker 1: to pick a gun up and hold it frontally jury
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Speaker 1: I felt like I was picking up a burning pot.
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Speaker 1: But I'm all for everybody else the right to bear
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Speaker 1: arms with in a world where guns are so prolific
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Speaker 1: and no impulse control. You put those things together and
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Speaker 1: you get Calvin and Arland dead on the floor and
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Speaker 1: Cloyd Stiger is right, human life no value. To Joseph
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Speaker 1: sky Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State Joe Scott, I pray
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Speaker 1: to God that there's a video of this. Just because
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Speaker 1: you've got a camera trained on the cashier, that doesn't
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Speaker 1: mean a hill of beings in reality. Why no, it doesn't,
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Speaker 1: because it's not going to capture everything. Hopefully they've got
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Speaker 1: multiple CCTV views, that is, little cameras that are positioned
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Speaker 1: and if you go into stores sometimes they're not as
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Speaker 1: glaring as they used to be. Where you have this
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Speaker 1: kind of camera module sitting up there, they'll look like
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Speaker 1: a big fish eye sticking out of the ceiling, and
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Speaker 1: hopefully there'll be multiple views all the way around. These
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Speaker 1: cameras kind of rotate around. It used to be kind
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Speaker 1: of cost prohibited to have these things because it had
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Speaker 1: to have tape. You had to have these big cameras.
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Speaker 1: Not anymore. You can actually digitize or make these in
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Speaker 1: a digital format. These cameras roll perpetually. You load it
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Speaker 1: onto the hard drive and it's there. Hopefully it was working.
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Speaker 1: How many of these cases do we cover? Nancy where
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Speaker 1: we have no CCTV coverage in this particular case. I
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Speaker 1: can tell you it's going to be striking because this
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Speaker 1: is going to tell a tale of a public execution
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Speaker 1: as well. It's going to come down to you know,
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Speaker 1: I hadn't thought of it like that, a public execution.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Kathleen Murphy, Kathleen, take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friends at NBC. This is Alicia Bergio. After an
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Speaker 1: argument to broke out between Munderland and the female suspect
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Speaker 1: because her daughter was not wearing a mask, things took
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Speaker 1: a turn. Surveillance video from Family Dollar shows the woman
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Speaker 1: was forced to leave the store, then later came back
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Speaker 1: with her son Bishop and husband Tigue under the black
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Speaker 1: males started yelling at manor Lyin about disrespecting his wife.
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Speaker 1: The other black mail then walks up to Munerlin and
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Speaker 1: shoots Manolin. Both men took off after the incident. He
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Speaker 1: was just an all around good guy, and when I
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Speaker 1: found out what had happened to him, he really broke
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Speaker 1: my heart because I know what kind of person he was. Okay,
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Speaker 1: and this is not about race, because the victim is
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Speaker 1: an African American male, is nine children, his wife left
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Speaker 1: behind are all African Americans. The shooters an African American.
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Speaker 1: I think that was part of a bolo be on
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Speaker 1: the lookout and the reporters were trying to give information
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Speaker 1: about what the purps look like. Because to you, Kathleen Murphy,
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Speaker 1: North Carolina trial lawyer, they took off. They shoot Calvin
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Speaker 1: Manolin in the back of the head. The son, the
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Speaker 1: son of the dad, come in. They start jawing at
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Speaker 1: Calvin manerlind super deeper about disrespecting the wife, and Shermeltigue
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Speaker 1: shoot him in the back of the head, execution style,
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Speaker 1: and then they go to their car and drive off
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Speaker 1: over a face mask. Tell me, Kathleen Murphy, how many
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Speaker 1: times have you looked at a case you're handling and
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Speaker 1: thought over. It is a day to day thing, and Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I'm happy to say that when I have clients that
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Speaker 1: come in that are involved with domestic violence, I work
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Speaker 1: really hard to talk with them about tools that we
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Speaker 1: can put into place to control their behaviors. Whether it's
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Speaker 1: somebody that has rage issues, whether somebody has control issues.
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Speaker 1: People have to learn to control themselves, and there is
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Speaker 1: a place right now where we need to put tools
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Speaker 1: into place for people to control their rage, help the
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Speaker 1: public learn how to deal with these situations so we
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Speaker 1: don't lose a wonderful father like Cooper's what And I
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Speaker 1: just can't imagine I'm one of seven kids crime stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys that we're talking about the execution
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Speaker 1: style murtyr of a guy just doing his job at
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Speaker 1: Family Dollar, working really long, hard hours, supporting nine children
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Speaker 1: and a wife gets a gunned down after he asked
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Speaker 1: a woman to get her daughter a face mask. Then
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Speaker 1: she spits on him and leaves what a disrespect And
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Speaker 1: then the husband comes back with the son. They start
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Speaker 1: attacking him verbally about disrespecting the mom, the wife Charmel Tigue,
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Speaker 1: and end up shooting him dead. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friends, CBS News correspondent Laura Podesta. A Family Dollar
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Speaker 1: store in Flint, Michigan, became a murder scene on Friday.
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Speaker 1: Police believe a security guard, forty three year old Calvin Munterlin,
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Speaker 1: was fatally shot in the head after he told shopper
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Speaker 1: Charmeltigue that her daughter had to wear a mask before
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Speaker 1: and during the store. The daughter did not have a mask.
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Speaker 1: Charmel did have a mask, but the altercation ensued and
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Speaker 1: we believe she communicated with Larry Larry Tig and Raman
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Speaker 1: Bishop and they returned to the store and the shooting occurred.
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Speaker 1: You know there, you go right there. A lot of
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Speaker 1: times when there is a heated argument and a shooting
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Speaker 1: or death occurs, it can be argued, and sometimes successfully,
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Speaker 1: that that was a voluntary manslaughter that you shot in
23:35
Speaker 1: the heat of passion. But the fact that they left
23:39
Speaker 1: and came back, that's not gonna work because they had
23:44
Speaker 1: what we call under the law to Kathleen Murphy in
23:47
Speaker 1: North Carolina, cooling off period, give it to me in
23:51
Speaker 1: a nutshell, Kathleen, if there's even one moment in time
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Speaker 1: where they had the ability to cool off that it's
23:57
Speaker 1: not going to be any other charge butt murder in
24:02
Speaker 1: the first degree, no other charge but murder in the
24:04
Speaker 1: first degree. Well, to make matters worse, they go on
24:07
Speaker 1: the run. Take listen to Fox five DC Tara and Asher.
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Speaker 1: We believe Finley and Mitchell rented a vehicle here and
24:17
Speaker 1: drove Teague to Texas. In Texas, we allege they bought
24:22
Speaker 1: Tea clothing at a Houston area Walmart and rented him
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Speaker 1: a room and on Friday, Michigan State Police nabbed his son, Laton,
24:32
Speaker 1: praising the public after a tip led Michigan State Police
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Speaker 1: to Bishop, who had been hiding out in a basity house.
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Speaker 1: Authorities entered the building, called into the unit in which
24:43
Speaker 1: they believed Bishop was hiding, and he was taken into
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Speaker 1: custody without incident. Back to Ray Kipto, l News anchor
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Speaker 1: Orlando Morning News WDBO Ray, So, how many people are
24:58
Speaker 1: helping these people PARPs cover up their crimes when Nancy.
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Speaker 1: Six people are now charged with this murder, this this
25:06
Speaker 1: situation that spun out of control. Six people are now
25:09
Speaker 1: going to face charges. You know, we got Charmel, We
25:13
Speaker 1: got break Damel hold on. Charmel Tigue is the mom
25:17
Speaker 1: who goes in with a face mask with a daughter
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Speaker 1: without a face mask. Forty five year old old enough
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Speaker 1: to know about a Charmel Tiague. That's number one. He
25:26
Speaker 1: Who else do we have? Well, we got Larry t
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Speaker 1: the husband who was the one that came back and
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Speaker 1: confronted kelvinty four year old husband, Larry Tiague. Then we've
25:36
Speaker 1: got Romagne Bishop and he's the shooter, the stepson of
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Speaker 1: Larry and Charmel's real son. Biological son twenty three year
25:45
Speaker 1: old Romagne Bishop. Those are the main PARPs. But then
25:49
Speaker 1: we've got another. Well, then we have another family member, Nancy.
25:53
Speaker 1: We have Bria Bishop. She is an adult daughter of
25:57
Speaker 1: a brother of Romagna. Now she was charged with eating
26:00
Speaker 1: and a betting to basically helping Roulandier get away. So
26:04
Speaker 1: Bria Bishop, age twenty five years old, according to my notes,
26:09
Speaker 1: has three counts against her. Tampering with evidence that's ten
26:12
Speaker 1: years possibility, lying to cops that's four years possibility. And
26:19
Speaker 1: what have I scribbled out here? She's got one more.
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Speaker 1: I bet it's five years. So I bet it's accessory
26:28
Speaker 1: after the fact. So what's the story. What did they
26:32
Speaker 1: do to help the shooters get away? Well, the two
26:36
Speaker 1: people we know that that took Larry tie down to Texas,
26:39
Speaker 1: Laura Mitchell and Charen stinley On. We don't know the relationship,
26:43
Speaker 1: but they are obviously close enough to be able to
26:44
Speaker 1: help Larry. They helped them get a hotel room, They
26:47
Speaker 1: obviously drove him, they bought them clothed. I mean, they
26:50
Speaker 1: went through pretty great lengths. Now, I'm not quite sure
26:52
Speaker 1: exactly what Brea or Bria did, but she clearly helped
26:57
Speaker 1: throw the cops off. There. There was an eight day
26:59
Speaker 1: period between Larry and Romanda of being doing this and
27:03
Speaker 1: then being taken into custody, So they were they were
27:05
Speaker 1: on the run for a hot minute. You're not kidding.
27:07
Speaker 1: They were on the lamb eluding police for over a week.
27:11
Speaker 1: To Joseph's got Morgan. I want to get back to
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Speaker 1: the scene of the shooting because this is really important
27:17
Speaker 1: to me that these people be brought to justice for
27:20
Speaker 1: what they did to Calvin Mundelin. What can you tell
27:23
Speaker 1: me about how that scene should be processed, How important
27:27
Speaker 1: it is that the medical examiner, for instance, gets the
27:31
Speaker 1: right trajectory path of the bullet in Calvin's head, that
27:35
Speaker 1: they look for gunshot residue or stippling around the wound.
27:39
Speaker 1: Why is why those details and others that you're going
27:42
Speaker 1: to tell me about so important in this case. Oh,
27:45
Speaker 1: it is important, Nancy, And you've already made very salient
27:48
Speaker 1: point in that they left and came back, so they
27:51
Speaker 1: came back armed my suspicions, you're right on with that.
27:56
Speaker 1: That's so right that they came back. They could just
28:01
Speaker 1: leaving a huff. Have any of you ever been at
28:05
Speaker 1: a store or somewhere and sometimes you're like, hmm, I'm
28:08
Speaker 1: laving because that's your half, Yeah, leaving a huff idea
28:11
Speaker 1: I have to come back armed to the teeth and
28:14
Speaker 1: about that mad okay, Joe Scott, For once, Bethany's interrupting you,
28:19
Speaker 1: not me, I want credit for that. Can jump in,
28:22
Speaker 1: beth Okay. So, I was the marriage and family therapist
28:25
Speaker 1: before becoming a psychoanalyst, and I had the rare experience
28:28
Speaker 1: throughout the years of treating extended family systems where it
28:33
Speaker 1: seemed like everybody acted like animals. And when I say animals,
28:38
Speaker 1: I mean animals. It's hard for me to get that
28:40
Speaker 1: through in my head. When can you out in there
28:41
Speaker 1: on Rodeo's drive and the family acting like animals? Go ahead,
28:45
Speaker 1: almost like they were all very primitive, like fighting. I
28:50
Speaker 1: remember two moms with their in their forties, with their
28:55
Speaker 1: collective five or six daughters, all in my office fighting
29:00
Speaker 1: over something stupid. One of the daughters was high. Both
29:04
Speaker 1: of the mothers were trying to grab attention at the
29:06
Speaker 1: expense of their daughters. Both mothers were still living with
29:11
Speaker 1: men who had molested children in the family, and it's
29:14
Speaker 1: almost like they were all primitive like nobody had socialized them,
29:17
Speaker 1: nobody had educated them. They were all out for themselves.
29:21
Speaker 1: And I just threw up my hands in despair, and
29:23
Speaker 1: I thought, I think people are like animals. And I
29:26
Speaker 1: was trying to and I don't mean that to be devaluing.
29:30
Speaker 1: I mean that the aspect of being civilized, of being social,
29:35
Speaker 1: of learning impulse control, like you I talked about earlier,
29:39
Speaker 1: everything we learned in childhood. You know, Nancy, you're a mother.
29:42
Speaker 1: Think of the many hours you spend processing Lucy and
29:48
Speaker 1: John David's experiences processing and processing and processing. Imagine if
29:53
Speaker 1: you raise them and you never processed one single thing.
29:57
Speaker 1: They could just slop food out of the refrigerator, they
29:59
Speaker 1: could hit each other, they could you know, spit on
30:02
Speaker 1: kids at school, and then that was celebrated like that's
30:05
Speaker 1: a great way to behave in the world. Some families
30:08
Speaker 1: do operate like this. It's surprising, but they really do.
30:11
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking of all the things, and I'm sure
30:15
Speaker 1: you know this is going to give the twins years
30:17
Speaker 1: and years of psychoanalyst analysis. But I'm forever saying, Lucy,
30:22
Speaker 1: stand up straight, do not slouch, John David. We do
30:27
Speaker 1: not need to see the food in your mouth while
30:31
Speaker 1: you're chewing. Just I know that one day they're going
30:34
Speaker 1: to go, oh, my mother, blah blah blah blah blah.
30:37
Speaker 1: But you know what, it's worth it if they stand
30:39
Speaker 1: up straight, don't chew with their mouth open. I'll take
30:41
Speaker 1: the abuse. But I'm listening to what you're saying. And
30:45
Speaker 1: now the daughter this mom has seen the mom spit
30:52
Speaker 1: on a security guard. And there's no telling how all
30:56
Speaker 1: these children have been raised. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
31:11
Speaker 1: we're talking about the brutal murder of a guy just
31:15
Speaker 1: trying to do his job and raise his children. And
31:19
Speaker 1: there is no value that you can place on a
31:23
Speaker 1: father's presence. A good dad in your life. A good
31:27
Speaker 1: dad means the world. And I'm kind of choking up
31:33
Speaker 1: because I'm thinking about all the sacrifices my mom and
31:36
Speaker 1: dad made for us and the example they gave us.
31:41
Speaker 1: And you know, some mornings when I don't want to
31:43
Speaker 1: get up at five o'clock and start working, I think
31:47
Speaker 1: about my dad and my mom doing it all those years,
31:50
Speaker 1: never complained. Take a listen, Joe Scott Morgan, I want
31:55
Speaker 1: you to hear ABC twelve News reporter and Perett said
32:00
Speaker 1: this before a senseless and tragic and there's just no
32:03
Speaker 1: explanation for May first, forty four year old Larry Tigue
32:06
Speaker 1: and his stepson, twenty three year old Romagna Bishop are
32:10
Speaker 1: accused of gunning down this family dollars security guard Calvin Dupermunerlin.
32:15
Speaker 1: They took off to avoid getting caught, but the Genesee
32:18
Speaker 1: County prosecutor says they actually walked from the scene, didn't
32:24
Speaker 1: run at all, which is one of the reasons we
32:26
Speaker 1: think he knew that Bishop was going to shoot Monerlin,
32:31
Speaker 1: because after the shooting, the normal reaction, if you didn't
32:35
Speaker 1: know that was going to happen, would be to run
32:37
Speaker 1: from there. David Layton says they went to Bishop's sister's
32:40
Speaker 1: Flint home, Bria. Bishop is facing three felonies, accused of
32:44
Speaker 1: helping the two escape. How long the two were there,
32:47
Speaker 1: where they went next, and when they split up isn't clear.
32:51
Speaker 1: You know, just the senselessness of this, But back to you.
32:56
Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, professor forensics, Jackson State University, author of
33:01
Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Joe Scott the fact
33:06
Speaker 1: that they just walked away. I can't wait for a
33:13
Speaker 1: jury to see that, assuming it was caught on video.
33:16
Speaker 1: So how what do we need to process this scene,
33:20
Speaker 1: process mister Mullins's body in order to prove help me
33:24
Speaker 1: prove the murder case here. Well, it's a dynamic environment.
33:29
Speaker 1: You've got people that are screaming at one another, carrying on.
33:32
Speaker 1: I think that I like to refer to Charmel as
33:34
Speaker 1: Queen Charmel because she went home and told these guys
33:38
Speaker 1: come with me, and that she cut them loose on
33:40
Speaker 1: this guy after she spit on him like he was
33:42
Speaker 1: some kind of less than human person. And when that happened,
33:47
Speaker 1: you have the father potentially and I'm just spitballing here,
33:51
Speaker 1: but you've got the father distracting in an argument. He's
33:54
Speaker 1: up in the security guard's face, and then the sun
33:58
Speaker 1: the gutless person he is, rolls around to the rear
34:02
Speaker 1: of him, takes out a firearm and shoots this man
34:05
Speaker 1: in the back of the head. Nancy, All right, Now,
34:08
Speaker 1: what we need to know did they force him on
34:11
Speaker 1: the ground and then shoot him from an upward angle
34:15
Speaker 1: so that it's going down You know, imagine a classic
34:18
Speaker 1: from an old movie where people are being executed. The
34:21
Speaker 1: individual being shot downward like this, or did he just
34:24
Speaker 1: simply walk behind him and discharge the weapon. Now, the
34:29
Speaker 1: other piece to this is at what range did he
34:32
Speaker 1: do this? Was he across the store, because if he's
34:35
Speaker 1: across the store, there's not going to be any soot
34:37
Speaker 1: deposit on the back of this man's head. My suspicion
34:40
Speaker 1: is this occurred in close quarters, so within probably eighteen
34:45
Speaker 1: inches of this poor man's head, the back of his
34:48
Speaker 1: head where he doesn't have eyes, in the back of
34:51
Speaker 1: his head as he's being attacked by this gutless coward,
34:55
Speaker 1: he's being shot directly into the back of head. You're
34:57
Speaker 1: going to have a storm of these little particles that
35:01
Speaker 1: are going to be around this wound, and depended upon
35:05
Speaker 1: how far apart the particles are, that'll give us an
35:07
Speaker 1: indication as to the range of fire. The further way
35:11
Speaker 1: you are, the wider the spread. Okay, we're not just
35:14
Speaker 1: talking about the bullet hole. We're actually talking about soot
35:17
Speaker 1: deposition on the back of the head, and that's going
35:20
Speaker 1: to be the tail of take. You combine that with
35:22
Speaker 1: the CCTV images that we hope are there, and it's
35:25
Speaker 1: going to be dramatic. I think that this will be
35:28
Speaker 1: a slim dunking court. Yeah. I thought that about O. J.
35:31
Speaker 1: Simpson too. But when you're talking, when you're referring to
35:34
Speaker 1: soot deposition, I think or I've told juries in the
35:38
Speaker 1: past to think of. I don't use hairspray as an example,
35:42
Speaker 1: because there's so many different kinds of hairspray. There's aerosol,
35:46
Speaker 1: there's pump. I use lysol because men and women. I
35:51
Speaker 1: hope my jury can have heard of lysol or sprayed before.
35:55
Speaker 1: And yeah, soot deposition, as Joseph Scott Morgan was correctly explaining,
36:01
Speaker 1: the further away you are from the lysol, you spray it.
36:05
Speaker 1: If you're that close, you get it dead on burst
36:10
Speaker 1: of lysol. The further away you get, you get a spray.
36:16
Speaker 1: Same way with a bullet. The closer you are to
36:21
Speaker 1: your target, the more concentrated the gunshot residue will be.
36:27
Speaker 1: The further you are away from it, the more diffused
36:32
Speaker 1: it will be. Okay, well, I gotta tell you this much.
36:36
Speaker 1: They go back in they say that Charmel Tigue, forty
36:40
Speaker 1: five year old, as Joe Scott causer, Queen Charmel has
36:44
Speaker 1: been disrespected. Well, they didn't make it hard. It took
36:48
Speaker 1: a minute to track them down, But take a listen
36:50
Speaker 1: to our friend Anne Pierrette at ABC twelve. The prosecutor
36:54
Speaker 1: says Flint police received a tip from an old friend
36:57
Speaker 1: of Bishops and that led them here into Customed without
37:01
Speaker 1: any incident whatsoever, without anybody getting hurt. The alleged murder weapon,
37:05
Speaker 1: a forty caliber handgun, hasn't been found yet. Layton says
37:09
Speaker 1: Bishop has about a dozen weapons registered to him, but
37:13
Speaker 1: didn't have any on him. His stepdad, Tigue, was arrested
37:17
Speaker 1: the day before Thursday, May seventh, shortly after Laura Mitchell
37:21
Speaker 1: and Terence Finley were caught. The pair's relationship to each
37:24
Speaker 1: other and Toatigue isn't known, but Layton says they rented
37:29
Speaker 1: a car to get Tige to Houston, bought him clothes,
37:32
Speaker 1: and rented him a room, but he checked in under
37:35
Speaker 1: his own name, making it that much easier for the
37:38
Speaker 1: US Marshals to find him. But how were they led
37:41
Speaker 1: to Texas in the first place, Flint Pee, some of
37:45
Speaker 1: their really good detectives were able to, with their ear
37:47
Speaker 1: to the ground, come up with information indicating that Finley
37:52
Speaker 1: and Mitchell had taken a te to Houston and nobody
37:57
Speaker 1: said it was a rocket signed his checks in under
38:00
Speaker 1: named Jackie. You're trying to set me say, I'm not
38:02
Speaker 1: the stepdad, I'm the dad, the what the dad that
38:06
Speaker 1: stepped up. Wow, I'm looking at a picture of Calvin Mundolin.
38:11
Speaker 1: He's got nine children and he's like this proud. He's
38:15
Speaker 1: got a T shirt that says, I'm not the stepdad,
38:20
Speaker 1: I'm the dad that stepped up. I'm so mad I
38:24
Speaker 1: could chew a nail in half, and I know it's
38:26
Speaker 1: not going to make anything any better. We cannot bring
38:29
Speaker 1: Calvin Mundolin back, but we can make sure that this group,
38:36
Speaker 1: this family group that enabled the shooting, that agitated the shooting,
38:42
Speaker 1: that covered up the shooting, that aided and abetted the
38:46
Speaker 1: escape of fleeing felons, are brought to justice. These nine
38:52
Speaker 1: children and this wife need to know somebody cared and
38:57
Speaker 1: the maximum penalty under the law must be sought. There's
39:04
Speaker 1: no alternative, there's no room for a plea deal or negotiations.
39:08
Speaker 1: They all have to go down for the maximum. Ray Kipudo,
39:14
Speaker 1: where does it stand right now? Well, Nancy, like you,
39:17
Speaker 1: suddenly the entire family's going from one table lockdown to another.
39:21
Speaker 1: This current one is not gonna end any time soon.
39:23
Speaker 1: They're all facing serious charges. The entire family is going
39:27
Speaker 1: to see jail time. Basically, I just jail time. I
39:31
Speaker 1: don't want a twenty year sentence where they walk in
39:33
Speaker 1: ten years. Oh no, you not go at a family
39:37
Speaker 1: dollar and gun down the security guard for asking you
39:41
Speaker 1: to wear a face mask and not do the max.
39:45
Speaker 1: Oh no, what are they going to get? I completely
39:49
Speaker 1: agree with Nancy, but I don't believe it. Maybe correct
39:51
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong that Michigan has the dust time.
39:55
Speaker 1: You can shoot as many people as you want there
39:58
Speaker 1: and still get the same sentence. So what are they
40:00
Speaker 1: looking at? Well, they're looking at a lot of time.
40:03
Speaker 1: I mean, starting with Bria. She could face ten years,
40:07
Speaker 1: and she seems to be the one that has the
40:09
Speaker 1: least charges against her, the other two eating of betting.
40:12
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure how long she can face nineteen
40:15
Speaker 1: years ten years on the man count, tampering, four lying
40:21
Speaker 1: to cops, and five accessory after the fact. I've been
40:25
Speaker 1: adding it up behind your back. She's looking at if
40:28
Speaker 1: the judge runs it consecutively, which I hope she does,
40:31
Speaker 1: she's looking at nineteen years behind bars. They'll cut her
40:35
Speaker 1: loose after about five seven years. But I'm telling you
40:39
Speaker 1: nothing but the Max is going to do for Charmel
40:44
Speaker 1: Tigue forty five, Larry Tigue forty four and Romandier Bishop
40:47
Speaker 1: twenty three. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace crime story,
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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye for one