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Conclusions on Blue, When Does Christmas Start, the Value of Thanksgiving Day, and Day Light Savings · I Hate Talking

• 0:29
  I Hate Talking: Welcome to episode 81 of I Hate Talking.
• 0:32
  I Hate Talking: Hi everyone.
• 0:33
  I Hate Talking: So there are a few topics that we did not fully conclude on from our last episode in terms of the color blue, with perhaps what the Russians call a blue Russian cat breed, nor any particular findings on how blue is used in a way that means puritanical or overly religious or how blue is used to mean off color.
• 1:01
  I Hate Talking: So we'll do that before our official word or phrase of the episode and our topic.
• 1:07
  I Hate Talking: So stay tuned for that.
• 1:09
  I Hate Talking: We did want to address a couple of these things that we, like I said, did not come to a conclusion on last time.
• 1:16
  I Hate Talking: So the first and perhaps easiest is the Blue Russian, which is the cat breed, and they call that the Sinoy Russki.
• 1:29
  I Hate Talking: OK, did it come from Russia initially?
• 1:32
  I Hate Talking: Yes, -- this particular cat -- came from Russia.
• 1:34
  I Hate Talking: And that is the particular shade of blue or hue of blue that is the dark blue in Russian versus the light blue.
• 1:43
  I Hate Talking: So it literally means dark blue Russian.
• 1:47
  I Hate Talking: But why is the cat named that?
• 1:49
  I Hate Talking: Cause they're not blue.
• 1:50
  I Hate Talking: In certain lights they appear bluish in color, -- I -- guess, cause they're gray.
• 1:55
  I Hate Talking: If you don't have never seen one before, they're like a, not even a dark gray, what do you say like a true gray color, bluish gray, -- I -- would say maybe.
• 2:04
  I Hate Talking: OK, well, maybe that's what if I'm Russian, I would think that was the color blue.
• 2:09
  I Hate Talking: Well, if you were in Russian, you would have a greater -- attenuation to the color blue because of the different words for -- blue.
• 2:17
  I Hate Talking: Yes, I would say it's just a pure gray.
• 2:19
  I Hate Talking: So Russians are just better at blue and identification of blue.
• 2:22
  I Hate Talking: So I think we should just trust them when they say this cat is blue.
• 2:26
  I Hate Talking: I like their tea and I like their cats, for sure.
• 2:29
  I Hate Talking: Tea?
• 2:31
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, you don't like tea.
• 2:33
  I Hate Talking: I don't, but I do like when I was in Russia, I would go to tea at this elderly lady's house and I really liked whatever she put in her tea.
• 2:43
  I Hate Talking: I didn't speak Russian, so I didn't quite understand what you put in it.
• 2:47
  I Hate Talking: But she didn't like that I was a social worker, because she told me that in Russia, they don't need social workers.
• 2:53
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 2:55
  I Hate Talking: So.
• 2:55
  I Hate Talking: You know, take that for what it means, but I enjoyed whatever we, that's why we, our teapot is Russian for her, yeah.
• 3:05
  I Hate Talking: All right, go on.
• 3:07
  I Hate Talking: So we have the Russian Blue cat, which is our kitty, that's 12 years old, and go on, the next thing.
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  I Hate Talking: So the other one was blue as it relates to puritanical law, overly religious, moral rigidity.
• 3:27
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I've never heard that before.
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  I Hate Talking: OK, so elaborate on that one since you studied it.
• 3:31
  I Hate Talking: So this one does not have any particular conclusive evidence.
• 3:36
  I Hate Talking: It's sort of like our on the fly episode where there are some reasonable and Seemingly legitimate explanations, but none that are firmly proven.
• 3:47
  I Hate Talking: So this one does seem to have at least the locale established that it came from the New England area of the Americas in the probably 18th century, it seems.
• 4:03
  I Hate Talking: And it is theorized that perhaps it is because the Puritans were very strict in their religiosity and they wore blue as sort of their color of clothing.
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  I Hate Talking: And therefore, their rules were the blue rules because they were Puritans and wore blue.
• 4:26
  I Hate Talking: There's another theory that states that the rules for conduct, especially on the Sabbath, were written on blue paper, so then, therefore, those were blue laws.
• 4:40
  I Hate Talking: Is that where the term possibly comes from for blue laws?
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  I Hate Talking: It is, they do definitely seem related, that this moral rigidity and blue laws as it relates to conduct on Sundays are somehow related, whether that came from Puritan's clothing color or perhaps the paper on which these rules were printed is how we got blue.
• 5:04
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, one day we'll have to talk about that, because I had never heard blue law before.
• 5:09
  I Hate Talking: I grew up on the west coast, and we got married and we moved to rural Pennsylvania.
• 5:15
  I Hate Talking: I learned about blue law, like that was not a thing I knew existed, and I'd like to learn more about that sometime.
• 5:22
  I Hate Talking: Indeed.
• 5:23
  I Hate Talking: So California doesn't have blue law.
• 5:26
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, about, I guess they're about as far as away they can get from New England.
• 5:31
  I Hate Talking: And then it also is theorized to perhaps be a derogatory term for blue and these people's way of life that it was overbearing and gloomy and therefore it was blue because it was saddening to, to follow these moralistic edicts that they set forward.
• 5:52
  I Hate Talking: I buy that, but it's just so funny that's so different.
• 5:55
  I Hate Talking: When I think of someone saying that's so blue, I think inappropriate.
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  I Hate Talking: So it's funny they're so extreme.
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  I Hate Talking: Indeed.
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  I Hate Talking: And then there's quite a few theories on blue as it relates to off color.
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  I Hate Talking: There are some that theorize that blue as off color was in direct opposition to blue laws and things like that.
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  I Hate Talking: -- So -- almost as like it would make the blue mad kind of thing.
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  I Hate Talking: OK.
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  I Hate Talking: That does not have a lot of support.
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  I Hate Talking: -- That -- is very, I buy that one, very narrowly held theory.
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  I Hate Talking: Then there are some things with particularly swearing.
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  I Hate Talking: That it is related to turning the air blue.
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  I Hate Talking: So if somebody's using inappropriate language that they would be turning the air blue and therefore that is blue remarks or blue content.
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  I Hate Talking: What do they mean by turning the air blue, like sucking all the air out of the room kind of thing like.
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  I Hate Talking: Shocking No, I think it would be, maybe, I don't know.
• 7:00
  I Hate Talking: I didn't actually research that particular phrase.
• 7:02
  I Hate Talking: I've heard that phrase before.
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  I Hate Talking: I don't know where the particular etymology of that phrase is from.
• 7:09
  I Hate Talking: We're gonna be busy.
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  I Hate Talking: So maybe we'll have a follow-up for next episode.
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  I Hate Talking: And then the third theory is that it is related to the clothing that blue collar workers wear, and they would perhaps not conduct themselves in the most appropriate manner and therefore anything that a blue collar does would be blue, and that would be sort of the off color, not appropriate for work type jokes and things of that nature.
• 7:39
  I Hate Talking: I don't like that one.
• 7:40
  I Hate Talking: The most widely held theory and what is actually documented is it's the turn the air blue.
• 7:46
  I Hate Talking: OK, I can picture that like shocking, like everyone takes a gasp, and you're blue cause you're not breathing, you're shocked.
• 7:54
  I Hate Talking: At the inappropriateness.
• 7:57
  I Hate Talking: All right, I'll go with that one, sure.
• 7:59
  I Hate Talking: Hm.
• 8:00
  I Hate Talking: So, the particular research that I just did on turn the air blue is that this also probably originated in the 1800s, and it's possibly a slang term for like a blue streak where that is related to brimstone and lightning in terms of A blue tinged sky when you are going to be judged for what you're going to do or what you are doing and turning the air blue like Sodom and or having that blue streak kind of thing, yes, OK.
• 8:35
  I Hate Talking: So, some potential theories, no specific actual proven etymology on these particular things, but interesting nonetheless, and I think it is pretty definitive that they're not directly related.
• 8:50
  I Hate Talking: I think that is one of the theories that they sort of use blue in terms of the off-color as sort of a direct opposition to blue from a moral rigidity, but that is one of the.
• 9:00
  I Hate Talking: Least likely theories, so I would hold to that they're probably unrelated and developed completely separately.
• 9:07
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, that makes sense, but I like the idea that it's in opposition of it.
• 9:11
  I Hate Talking: Perhaps so.
• 9:12
  I Hate Talking: I think people, if they're going to designate something as opposition, they're going to choose something that is opposite, so.
• 9:20
  I Hate Talking: Red and blue Or something like that, that.
• 9:24
  I Hate Talking: It would turn the air red.
• 9:26
  I Hate Talking: I guess.
• 9:28
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, you're right.
• 9:30
  I Hate Talking: At least in modern day, yeah.
• 9:32
  I Hate Talking: Well, the 1800s aren't that unmodern.
• 9:35
  I Hate Talking: So unmodern.
• 9:38
  I Hate Talking: You're right though, relatively, relatively.
• 9:41
  I Hate Talking: So, that is our recap and some extra content that we did not get to last time, and now we'll turn our attention to our word or phrase of this episode and our topic as it may or may not relate to that particular word.
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  I Hate Talking: OK, do you know what the word crush means?
• 10:01
  I Hate Talking: Cresh, so C R E S H.
• 10:05
  I Hate Talking: No, I'll play with uh Google, how they pronounce it, cause maybe I'm mispronouncing it.
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  I Hate Talking: Fresh It is CRE.
• 10:17
  I Hate Talking: C H E.
• 10:19
  I Hate Talking: Crash It's almost like quiche Krish.
• 10:25
  I Hate Talking: Almost crash.
• 10:28
  I Hate Talking: Well, that's what Google calls it crush.
• 10:31
  I Hate Talking: Crush Or crash.
• 10:34
  I Hate Talking: It sounds vaguely familiar.
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  I Hate Talking: Crash, crash.
• 10:39
  I Hate Talking: It does sound vaguely familiar.
• 10:41
  I Hate Talking: I would not be able to give a definition or etymology.
• 10:45
  I Hate Talking: I feel like I have heard or read this word somewhere before, and maybe if I heard it in context, I would be able to derive a general meaning perhaps, but I do not know what the word creche means.
• 11:00
  I Hate Talking: All right, well, it is a Latin word.
• 11:03
  I Hate Talking: That means crib.
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  I Hate Talking: And it's in Luke 2.
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  I Hate Talking: He's talking about Jesus was laid down in the crush.
• 11:11
  I Hate Talking: So in Latin, often they'll call a nativity scene a crush.
• 11:17
  I Hate Talking: I see.
• 11:18
  I Hate Talking: Why wouldn't it be in Greek?
• 11:20
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 11:22
  I Hate Talking: Well, the New Testament is typically written in Greek.
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  I Hate Talking: OK.
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  I Hate Talking: So this would be from like the Roman Church in Latin days when They had the New Testament in Latin, and they were the only ones that could read it, and then they were the purveyors of the crush.
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  I Hate Talking: It must be because it is the dictionary definition of crush is a model representing the scene of Jesus Christ's birth, displayed in homes or public places at Christmas.
• 11:51
  I Hate Talking: It also means a nursery where babies or young children are cared for.
• 11:57
  I Hate Talking: Yes, so that does make sense that it would be something related to the iconography of the Roman Church or other religious institutions that perhaps focus on the actual icons rather than the meaning of the creche.
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  I Hate Talking: Mhm.
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  I Hate Talking: So what is it in Greek now?
• 12:18
  I Hate Talking: I'm curious, what is crib or cresh or Manger in Greek.
• 12:24
  I Hate Talking: A ni I can't even, I'm not even gonna pretend to pronounce that.
• 12:30
  I Hate Talking: So hopefully you heard that on there.
• 12:33
  I Hate Talking: The Greek word for crib in religious context means manger or nativity scene, which we know from baby story Jesus.
• 12:45
  I Hate Talking: Well, it's interesting to note that the primary definition of fat me.
• 12:53
  I Hate Talking: Or fate me.
• 12:55
  I Hate Talking: is manger or feeding trough and crib as the tertiary meaning, so, It's interesting that the Latin word elevates this to the primary meaning of crib.
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  I Hate Talking: Do you think that goes back to the scripture though, where Jesus was laid in a manger and a feeding trough for animals, and then the Latin took that and like I said, elevated it to the meaning of a crib that we know nowadays.
• 13:26
  I Hate Talking: As the baby was laid in the feeding trough.
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  I Hate Talking: Well, there is the popular Christmas carol Away in a Manger.
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  I Hate Talking: That talks about a particular thing.
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  I Hate Talking: That He was away in a manger, no crib for a bed.
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  I Hate Talking: The little Lord Jesus laid down his sweet head.
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  I Hate Talking: So, from that particular song, The crib did not exist.
• 13:53
  I Hate Talking: There was no crib, there was no crush.
• 13:56
  I Hate Talking: It was a fat knee.
• 13:58
  I Hate Talking: A feeding trough, right, a manger.
• 14:02
  I Hate Talking: So then we ended up taking that term.
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  I Hate Talking: That's where Jesus was laying when he was born.
• 14:08
  I Hate Talking: Yes, well, my point being that perhaps for the specific intent of how that word is used within the New Testament, within Luke chapter 2, that.
• 14:18
  I Hate Talking: Perhaps the Greek is more of an apt term because the primary purpose of that particular device was for feeding animals and not a crib, which I think we would typically refer to as Place as a bed for sweet baby's little head and the Latin term co-opts this particular thing and makes that the icon.
• 14:42
  I Hate Talking: Yeah So, in certain cultures that elevate Latin, you're saying, they would elevate the word, the feeding trough and turn it into a bed, the creche.
• 14:56
  I Hate Talking: Well, I wonder then if there's a Latin term for feeding trough.
• 15:02
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 15:03
  I Hate Talking: Or did they just replace the word because it made more sense for their sales of nativity sets?
• 15:11
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 15:12
  I Hate Talking: You're the one that learned Latin, not me.
• 15:14
  I Hate Talking: So last night we had a, what, an 8 year old teach us some Latin at an event we were at.
• 15:21
  I Hate Talking: Do you remember that?
• 15:22
  I Hate Talking: You were there.
• 15:23
  I Hate Talking: You might not have been part of the conversation.
• 15:25
  I Hate Talking: I think I missed that.
• 15:26
  I Hate Talking: He was saying a word and I asked him what it meant, and he was like, it's Latin.
• 15:30
  I Hate Talking: I learned that in school.
• 15:32
  I Hate Talking: Oh, good for you.
• 15:34
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, indeed, so there is a Latin word.
• 15:38
  I Hate Talking: Pre espe, that is the word for manger, not crash.
• 15:44
  I Hate Talking: So in your research of this particular word, this is the word that is used specifically within the Latin translation of Luke 2.
• 15:52
  I Hate Talking: You look it up.
• 15:56
  I Hate Talking: You're better looking things up.
• 15:57
  I Hate Talking: According to AI, the Latin word in Luke chapter 2 verse 7 is that reesespe.
• 16:06
  I Hate Talking: Which is the word.
• 16:09
  I Hate Talking: In English, manger.
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  I Hate Talking: And that ultimately means To eat or chew.
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  I Hate Talking: So basically the animals would eat or chew their food.
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  I Hate Talking: At the manger.
• 16:24
  I Hate Talking: So, the crush is not specifically used within, according to AI, the Latin translation of Luke.
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  I Hate Talking: So then where did crush come from?
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  I Hate Talking: And how did you encounter this particular work?
• 16:38
  I Hate Talking: Because I'm not finding it here in Greek and Latin translations of the Bible.
• 16:45
  I Hate Talking: So I did not trust AI.
• 16:48
  I Hate Talking: And I consulted the Latin Vulgate, and indeed the word manger is this precicipe.
• 16:58
  I Hate Talking: No, it's not a recipe or however you pronounce it.
• 17:02
  I Hate Talking: So, I think the word crush is interesting.
• 17:07
  I Hate Talking: That it means crib and has been used to specifically refer to Jesus' bed in the nativity scene, but It does seem that Greek and Latin agree that The original word was danger.
• 17:22
  I Hate Talking: I keep researching this or follow up later.
• 17:26
  I Hate Talking: So I guess to finalize this particular topic, we need to at least check the etymology of the word crush.
• 17:33
  I Hate Talking: We may not know exactly how it came to be used as a nativity scene, but we have our possibilities with perhaps that came about with the way that the churches were promoting the nativity scene.
• 17:46
  I Hate Talking: According to Merriam-Webster, it says that in the 1300s, the substitution of crash for manger probably wouldn't have raised any eyebrows back when the spelling was improvised, and several different words and spellings included cratch, rash, rish, and creche.
• 18:11
  I Hate Talking: Were used to describe a holding feed or livestock.
• 18:15
  I Hate Talking: To identify a manger where Jesus was laid.
• 18:19
  I Hate Talking: By the late 18th century, creche, which followed the French and now sometimes spelt without the accent mark, had displayed those older forms of the word that had lost the former manger meaning, coming to refer instead to represent the nativity scene itself.
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  I Hate Talking: That's what I get when I look it up.
• 18:43
  I Hate Talking: What do you get?
• 18:43
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, something similar.
• 18:46
  I Hate Talking: I do not find any Latin roots of this, that this was actually originally a French word and may go back to Germanic languages.
• 18:55
  I Hate Talking: But creche is a French word that originally meant manger, crib, or stall, so that makes sense that that would not be in the original Greek translations of the New Testament or the Latin Vulgate, cause crush was never The Latin word And that perhaps it does go back to Germanic languages.
• 19:18
  I Hate Talking: With words that mean crib.
• 19:22
  I Hate Talking: Right, so in my quick research, maybe I'm wrong about the lad, but that's what it did say.
• 19:27
  I Hate Talking: But you're right.
• 19:29
  I Hate Talking: Everything I find as I follow up more, it's French.
• 19:33
  I Hate Talking: Talking about can never get away from the French words.
• 19:37
  I Hate Talking: It seems like we always run into those in the words that we choose or are asked to research.
• 19:43
  I Hate Talking: Maybe we'll just go to France one day and do a live podcast there.
• 19:48
  I Hate Talking: Perhaps so, and we can just leave our kids at the creche.
• 19:50
  I Hate Talking: That's right.
• 19:52
  I Hate Talking: So the reason I was looking up these words was because, one, I feel like you're maybe in an oppositional mood, and so.
• 20:04
  I Hate Talking: Do you know what happens in 2 months and 2 days from when this podcast drops?
• 20:11
  I Hate Talking: Well, probably it's gonna be Christmas, Christmas Day.
• 20:16
  I Hate Talking: Christmas Day, indeed.
• 20:17
  I Hate Talking: So in that spirit, I wanna talk about when is too early to decorate or for Christmas or sing Christmas songs.
• 20:30
  I Hate Talking: I feel like we've talked about this before.
• 20:33
  I Hate Talking: Have we not?
• 20:35
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 20:36
  I Hate Talking: Maybe we, I have for sure because we don't agree.
• 20:39
  I Hate Talking: Maybe I think Christmas tide, not time, was one of our episodes, but I think that was mainly more focused on when will Christmas end.
• 20:48
  I Hate Talking: So now you're flipping that around and asking when can Christmas begin?
• 20:53
  I Hate Talking: Yeah.
• 20:54
  I Hate Talking: I feel like we maybe we touched on that, but maybe not fully.
• 20:58
  I Hate Talking: So, my default stance is that Thanksgiving needs to be celebrated and respected, and then after that, you can begin on the Christmas festivities.
• 21:10
  I Hate Talking: So I looked it up, I couldn't get exact estimates or realistic ones cause they vary, cause I wanted to look at what most people say, cause you're right, I feel like the majority do say.
• 21:23
  I Hate Talking: Any day after Thanksgiving is fair game.
• 21:27
  I Hate Talking: If you didn't care.
• 21:29
  I Hate Talking: I already have a tree.
• 21:31
  I Hate Talking: And I already have my lights on the house.
• 21:36
  I Hate Talking: So I think we vary, very differently in that.
• 21:40
  I Hate Talking: That's true, you already do have lights up around the house, though, they are like yellow and browns, and I guess that -- that's -- fall.
• 21:46
  I Hate Talking: That's fall, but in your mind you don't think of them as Christmas lights at all?
• 21:50
  I Hate Talking: No, cause they have leaves next to them.
• 21:53
  I Hate Talking: I see.
• 21:54
  I Hate Talking: If it's leaves, it's fall, and yellow lights, that's definitely fall.
• 22:00
  I Hate Talking: White or green and red, that is Christmas.
• 22:05
  I Hate Talking: I'm also a fan of Christmas trees that were alive or previously alive, and to have a real tree, Christmas tree in your home for 2+ months seems a bit dangerous.
• 22:20
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, that seems dangerous.
• 22:22
  I Hate Talking: Yes, you are a big fan of real trees.
• 22:25
  I Hate Talking: I think we've only in our life had one year.
• 22:28
  I Hate Talking: In our marriage, we've had, we've been married for over 16 years now.
• 22:32
  I Hate Talking: One year we had a fake tree, and I think this year we're probably gonna have a fake tree because of certain lifestyle choices, right?
• 22:43
  I Hate Talking: So, how do you feel about that then?
• 22:47
  I Hate Talking: I think in the year that we did not have a real tree, we did still have like real pine boughs.
• 22:53
  I Hate Talking: And some branches and things like that.
• 22:55
  I Hate Talking: So we've always had fake trees in different parts of the house, cause I just love decorating.
• 23:02
  I Hate Talking: And that year, it wasn't feasible or realistic for us to have a real one.
• 23:07
  I Hate Talking: So we do have artificial trees.
• 23:11
  I Hate Talking: And we're just gonna make an artificial tree, our real tree this year, and that's what we did that year as well.
• 23:20
  I Hate Talking: But you got sad.
• 23:21
  I Hate Talking: So that was my choice that year back then.
• 23:24
  I Hate Talking: That was my choice for certain circumstances we were in and finances, yada yada.
• 23:30
  I Hate Talking: So I made the choice, let's not buy a real one.
• 23:33
  I Hate Talking: We have artificial trees and I could tell you were sad.
• 23:38
  I Hate Talking: So I did go to the store and I bought a really nice real life reef.
• 23:42
  I Hate Talking: And that's what we had for the pine scent.
• 23:45
  I Hate Talking: Correct, yes, that's what I'm thinking of, so, so this year, do you think you're gonna be sad?
• 23:51
  I Hate Talking: We've already discussed, let's not buy a real tree.
• 23:53
  I Hate Talking: We have artificials and because of circumstances, it makes more sense this year.
• 23:59
  I Hate Talking: Do you think when the time comes you'll be sad at that choice.
• 24:03
  I Hate Talking: Perhaps maybe we can go visit some locations that have real pine trees as their decorations, and that will be sufficient.
• 24:13
  I Hate Talking: Just to smell it or to bring some home.
• 24:15
  I Hate Talking: You had to visit it and smell it and enjoy -- the presence -- of a, would you want like a real-life reef like before, or Costco sometimes has some garland that's -- real -- pine.
• 24:28
  I Hate Talking: Well, it's almost sounds like you're trying to sell me that we should get a real tree right now.
• 24:31
  I Hate Talking: No, I'm the one that's anti-real tree.
• 24:34
  I Hate Talking: Indeed.
• 24:36
  I Hate Talking: So, I don't know.
• 24:37
  I Hate Talking: I suppose my mind has not been on Christmas, so I have not given any mental capacity to thinking about that and whether a real tree will be necessary or not, or some substitutionary thing that will be similar but not the same.
• 24:57
  I Hate Talking: So what would happen if she came home from work tomorrow and our house was all decked out for Christmas?
• 25:04
  I Hate Talking: What would you feel or do?
• 25:06
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I guess I would just go along with it, but perhaps not be that excited about it.
• 25:13
  I Hate Talking: So if the mantle had our stockings, hon.
• 25:16
  I Hate Talking: What am I supposed to do?
• 25:19
  I Hate Talking: Just take them down and then you'll be all upset.
• 25:21
  I Hate Talking: The kids, we'd all make such a big deal about you being a Scrooge.
• 25:27
  I Hate Talking: That's true, so.
• 25:29
  I Hate Talking: And then music, I think Christmas in July, you can have your one day in July to play some Christmas music, but again, it's really gotta wait till after Thanksgiving.
• 25:39
  I Hate Talking: I think that places do play Christmas music even earlier and earlier these days that you'll hear Christmas music on the radio or in the mall or in various public places before Thanksgiving.
• 25:52
  I Hate Talking: Mhm.
• 25:53
  I Hate Talking: You need to give Thanksgiving its due respect.
• 25:56
  I Hate Talking: Why?
• 25:57
  I Hate Talking: Because it's a national holiday.
• 25:58
  I Hate Talking: Man.
• 26:00
  I Hate Talking: Do you know that Canada celebrates Thanksgiving already?
• 26:04
  I Hate Talking: They've already celebrated.
• 26:06
  I Hate Talking: Well, they must be very thankful people then.
• 26:08
  I Hate Talking: They're so smart.
• 26:10
  I Hate Talking: They got their time to celebrate.
• 26:13
  I Hate Talking: Now they can focus on Christmas.
• 26:15
  I Hate Talking: They don't even really celebrate Christmas, they celebrate Boxing Day.
• 26:18
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, right.
• 26:20
  I Hate Talking: But I'm just saying that it's ridiculous that we squeeze so much into less than a month.
• 26:26
  I Hate Talking: It's a little bit more than a month, and then if you keep going, like we talked about in our Christmas side episode.
• 26:33
  I Hate Talking: Which would have been less than a year ago, I believe, because we probably talked about that in January, is that you can have the 12 days of Christmas and then you're celebrating into January and beyond, actually, which we do and that's helpful for us as a couple.
• 26:50
  I Hate Talking: Thanksgiving this year is November 27th.
• 26:54
  I Hate Talking: That is less than 30 days till Christmas.
• 26:58
  I Hate Talking: So technically, if you want to stop celebrating on Christmas.
• 27:02
  I Hate Talking: You're not even giving me a whole month to celebrate.
• 27:06
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I think if it was up to me and I had no external pressure or cultural pressure that I would celebrate Christmas on Christmas.
• 27:17
  I Hate Talking: And then have the celebration last after Christmas.
• 27:20
  I Hate Talking: You don't really do anything Christmas related until Christmas, and then you celebrate Christmas post Christmas Day.
• 27:27
  I Hate Talking: No lights.
• 27:28
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, you put them up on Christmas, and then you have the 12 days of Christmas.
• 27:32
  I Hate Talking: Do you know that I started watching my Christmas movies last week?
• 27:39
  I Hate Talking: It does not surprise me.
• 27:41
  I Hate Talking: I did not know that as a fact, but I am not surprised.
• 27:44
  I Hate Talking: How do you feel about that?
• 27:45
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, it's fine, you can do your own Christmas routine, but I'm Probably not going to partake in any of that.
• 27:54
  I Hate Talking: Plus, I don't really even necessarily like very many Christmas movies.
• 27:58
  I Hate Talking: There's a few, like Die Hard and A Christmas Carol And -- What's the one with you -- like A Wonderful Life.
• 28:08
  I Hate Talking: Wonderful Life.
• 28:09
  I Hate Talking: Yes, you watch that every year.
• 28:10
  I Hate Talking: That's not actually the one I was thinking of that I can't place the name, uh, shoot your eye out one.
• 28:14
  I Hate Talking: Oh, -- Christmas -- Story.
• 28:16
  I Hate Talking: Christmas.
• 28:16
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, we always watch A Christmas Story.
• 28:19
  I Hate Talking: We always watch It's a Wonderful Life.
• 28:21
  I Hate Talking: I feel like it's yours and mine.
• 28:23
  I Hate Talking: Tradition.
• 28:25
  I Hate Talking: I actually enjoy the elf, that's so good.
• 28:30
  I Hate Talking: No, I was going to say the Twilight Zone marathon on New Year's Day more than I enjoy Christmas and the related movies.
• 28:38
  I Hate Talking: Oh, that makes me wanna cry.
• 28:39
  I Hate Talking: That is good too though, the Twilight marathon.
• 28:42
  I Hate Talking: No, I love Christmas.
• 28:45
  I Hate Talking: You tolerate watching one or two.
• 28:48
  I Hate Talking: I feel like I can get you to watch one or two romantic Hallmark movies with me.
• 28:53
  I Hate Talking: I was talking to someone recently and she is doing a Hallmark movie right now, so I let her know that I am the biggest Hallmark movie fan, and I will watch and critique anything you want to give me, no matter when.
• 29:10
  I Hate Talking: And so that was super exciting.
• 29:12
  I Hate Talking: I came home, I remember I told you like, I'm gonna read her thing and I'm so excited.
• 29:17
  I Hate Talking: And that was specifically Christmas themed or it's just Christmas movie.
• 29:22
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 29:23
  I Hate Talking: If you can get your name on the credits.
• 29:25
  I Hate Talking: I don't even care.
• 29:27
  I Hate Talking: I just wanna read the scripts.
• 29:29
  I Hate Talking: Oh, so exciting.
• 29:31
  I Hate Talking: Indeed, that's my dream.
• 29:33
  I Hate Talking: I'm not a writer, obviously, but I'll watch or read anything people wanna write Christmas themed.
• 29:40
  I Hate Talking: So what happens right now, this is the time of year, things are changing in the stores.
• 29:47
  I Hate Talking: You're getting more Christmas than Halloween or anything else.
• 29:51
  I Hate Talking: So how does that make you feel when you walk into Target?
• 29:54
  I Hate Talking: And you see the Santa Claus.
• 29:58
  I Hate Talking: Well, Halloween's not even over yet, and they're already transitioning, -- so I think that's -- essentially Halloween's over.
• 30:05
  I Hate Talking: Well, that's fine with me.
• 30:06
  I Hate Talking: I would, I would trade out Halloween for Christmas, but then they need their Thanksgiving decorations like some turkeys and stuff.
• 30:14
  I Hate Talking: That's why we should celebrate beginning of October.
• 30:18
  I Hate Talking: People by after Halloween are over and Thanksgiving doesn't get its due, right?
• 30:24
  I Hate Talking: Because of when it's located, it needs to be earlier in the year.
• 30:29
  I Hate Talking: Oh, I guess you can write a letter to President Donald Trump.
• 30:35
  I Hate Talking: Maybe if he's not busy knocking over half the White House, he can change the date of Thanksgiving.
• 30:40
  I Hate Talking: That could be the next thing he does.
• 30:42
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 30:44
  I Hate Talking: That'd be cool.
• 30:46
  I Hate Talking: What I would really like the government to do is just get rid of daylight savings time.
• 30:50
  I Hate Talking: That would be better than Christmas, better than Thanksgiving, better than all national holidays combined, just do that.
• 30:58
  I Hate Talking: And you could even have a national holiday like the abolition of Daylight savings time Day.
• 31:03
  I Hate Talking: I think I think that's way more important things to the government.
• 31:09
  I Hate Talking: If I was gonna ask them to do one thing.
• 31:12
  I Hate Talking: It would be something different.
• 31:16
  I Hate Talking: But it's good for you.
• 31:19
  I Hate Talking: It's a fight you're willing to fight.
• 31:21
  I Hate Talking: I just mean in terms of.
• 31:23
  I Hate Talking: Holiday and construction designations that the daily savings time is.
• 31:30
  I Hate Talking: Much more important than any demolition, reconstruction, as well as any designation of holidays, past, present, or future.
• 31:40
  I Hate Talking: Now, if there's a ballot and it says, change the date of Thanksgiving, Or make daylight savings time a national holiday, I would vote to change Thanksgiving.
• 31:55
  I Hate Talking: Earlier, because I get overshadowed by everything.
• 32:01
  I Hate Talking: But I agree, get rid of daylight savings time.
• 32:06
  I Hate Talking: It is, well, when do we fall back -- for daylight savings -- time?
• 32:09
  I Hate Talking: Beginning of November.
• 32:10
  I Hate Talking: Beginning of November, I guess that varies based on whatever the Sunday is.
• 32:14
  I Hate Talking: -- So -- what if we just change Thanksgiving to the old date of fallback daylight savings.
• 32:23
  I Hate Talking: And then you can kill two birds with one stone.
• 32:26
  I Hate Talking: OK, I'll vote for that.
• 32:28
  I Hate Talking: That ups it 3 weeks, maybe 4 weeks.
• 32:32
  I Hate Talking: So I would vote for you, for those, that's your platform.
• 32:37
  I Hate Talking: My question is, Would daylight savings time ever fall on Halloween or Thanksgiving ever fall on Halloween at that point?
• 32:47
  I Hate Talking: I don't think it could because in President Bush or somebody moved daylight savings time so that it always fell after Halloween?
• 32:56
  I Hate Talking: They, yeah, they did it uh Sunday after Halloween, so you get more daylight for trick or treating.
• 33:04
  I Hate Talking: Yes, so I guess the worst case is that you would have like Halloween night on Saturday night.
• 33:11
  I Hate Talking: 31st and then the next day, Sunday would be Thanksgiving.
• 33:15
  I Hate Talking: So you would just change Thanksgiving.
• 33:17
  I Hate Talking: It wouldn't be the Thursday.
• 33:19
  I Hate Talking: No, this is, yes, you're, you're saying we can do anything.
• 33:22
  I Hate Talking: So let's just put November Thanksgiving on.
• 33:26
  I Hate Talking: November 1st, always.
• 33:27
  I Hate Talking: No, no, no, the Sunday, the first Sunday in November, the day that it used to be daylight savings fall back because then we can give thanks that daylight savings doesn't exist anymore.
• 33:38
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 33:40
  I Hate Talking: Why?
• 33:42
  I Hate Talking: OK, but tell me, why can't we do that?
• 33:44
  I Hate Talking: You have a fairly flexible career.
• 33:47
  I Hate Talking: A lot of your family does too, or we don't really do Thanksgiving with my family cause we're so, you know, across the country.
• 33:55
  I Hate Talking: So why could we not personally celebrate Thanksgiving the first Sunday in November.
• 34:02
  I Hate Talking: And then it's Christmas season.
• 34:05
  I Hate Talking: Well, I guess if enough people do that, then that's a possibility.
• 34:10
  I Hate Talking: -- But why can't -- we?
• 34:11
  I Hate Talking: I guess we could.
• 34:12
  I Hate Talking: Your job is flexible, right?
• 34:15
  I Hate Talking: In fact, they'd probably prefer it, right?
• 34:18
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, -- I -- suppose so.
• 34:19
  I Hate Talking: So why couldn't we change Thanksgiving?
• 34:24
  I Hate Talking: I think there's still some cultural and nationalistic unity in the Macy's Day Parade, Macy's Day Parade, you have Black Friday, you have.
• 34:36
  I Hate Talking: Certain things where all of the nation is giving thanks on the same day that is a bit of a cultural.
• 34:46
  I Hate Talking: Unifying event, OK.
• 34:48
  I Hate Talking: I don't have much argument beyond that.
• 34:51
  I Hate Talking: That's pretty much it.
• 34:52
  I Hate Talking: There's the cultural events and the national unity.
• 34:56
  I Hate Talking: That doesn't sound that convincing to why we can't decorate, put our tree up right now.
• 35:02
  I Hate Talking: Or November 2nd.
• 35:04
  I Hate Talking: So we had to have to wait till after Halloween.
• 35:07
  I Hate Talking: Is that our new rule?
• 35:08
  I Hate Talking: Is that a rule?
• 35:09
  I Hate Talking: That is not our rule.
• 35:11
  I Hate Talking: It is interesting just how much is influenced by cultural norms and expectations for events and holidays.
• 35:19
  I Hate Talking: Myself included, I'm affected by that.
• 35:22
  I Hate Talking: So you are a listener, can let us know when you start your Christmas season.
• 35:28
  I Hate Talking: And perhaps you would also like to weigh in on potentially moving Thanksgiving or abolishing daylight savings time or both and just combining them into the same day.
• 35:40
  I Hate Talking: So you can always let us know in the comments or send us a text or send us an email.
• 35:47
  I Hate Talking: And as an interesting note, I believe we're on track for October to have our most listens ever.
• 35:53
  I Hate Talking: Wow, cool in a month for us.
• 35:56
  I Hate Talking: Yes, so.
• 35:57
  I Hate Talking: Well, -- thanks -- y'all.
• 35:59
  I Hate Talking: We want to keep that going.
• 36:00
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• 36:07
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 36:08
  I Hate Talking: And then November will be crazy high.
• 36:11
  I Hate Talking: Perhaps so, or maybe we'll be busy celebrating Christmas.
• 36:15
  I Hate Talking: Oh, I can't wait.
• 36:17
  I Hate Talking: So from your friends at I Hate Talking, until next time, remember, it is only through talking that we begin the journey to understanding.