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JUAN SOTO IS A MET · The 3-0 Take

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  Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the three O take.
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  Where we talk all. Things Major League Baseball.
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  Here's Kyle Corwin and Nate Reyes.
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  It. All starts right now.
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  Welcome back to the Three O Take presented by Sea Kick.
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  This is for episode 495 of your host Kyle Corden.
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  I'm here with my Co host Nate Reyes.
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  Nate. The news we finally been waiting
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  for, well, maybe not you, maybe not you, my friend, but the news
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  we've all been waiting, waiting for has finally, has finally
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  arrived. Juan Soto is a New York Mets 16
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  years, 15 years, $765 million, and he hasn't even said a word.
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  He hasn't even said a word 15 years, 765, that whole, the
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  whole like, hey, let's make it. Why don't we just make it a
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  billion joke? We were.
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  We were. Getting.
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  Dangerously close if this if this thing would have went on
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  two 3-4 more days. What's just happened?
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  Contract in sports history. For a guy that wasn't even the
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  best hitter on his team this year, No, I'm not going to.
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  We're not, we're not going to go.
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  We're not going that route. We're not going that route.
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  I'm not. I've had I've, I've had plenty
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  of fun already playing both with a foot in each camp this whole
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  this whole offseason. I I'm, I'm very much in the camp
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  of like this seemed like quite the overpay, But then when
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  people, when people are like, yeah, this guy sucks.
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  I'm like, no, you're wrong. He's actually a generational
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  hitter. It's, it's been great.
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  I've just don't really have a dog in a fight here.
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  I'm just sitting here playing both camps.
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  It's been, it's been a joy. Sure, sure.
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  But you. On the other hand, to lose your
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  to lose the just out of your. Out of your grasp.
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  I, I mentioned this multiple times.
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  I'm OK with it. Like I'm actually OK.
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  I, I think that we, we saw on the biggest stage what the New
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  York Yankees were, Could they have played better in the World
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  Series? Of course.
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  Did they have, you know, were they capable of more?
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  Of course. But every Yankee fan that didn't
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  have his head in the clouds saw the the truth of what that
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  Yankee team was, and that's with Soto, and that's with Soto
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  having a really good postseason. I think it doesn't it doesn't
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  get solved by by spending 700 + 1,000,000 on a guy like the the
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  issues are still there if they bring him back.
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  So I've been in the camp that I'm OK with the Yankees missing
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  out. I think, you know, Spencer
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  brings up a good point in the chat is that, you know, is there
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  is there a regret trading for Soto?
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  No, I, I'm, I'm, I'm going to say no.
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  I think, you know, overall, like it hurt losing Michael King, but
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  overall, like, I, I think it was worth it.
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  Like they, they gave themselves a chance.
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  They played in the World Series. Did they play well?
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  No, but they gave themselves a shot and maybe didn't calculate
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  the fact that you were giving Soto a taste in New York when
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  the Mets were going to pay more and, and they clearly did.
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  So I I think, I think the writing was on the wall here and
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  I'm OK. I think, I think Yankee fans
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  should be OK. I think you're exactly right,
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  the writing was on the wall and I feel like an idiot for
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  thinking for for at any point. Did you hold out this little
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  hope? Oh, I was.
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  It did. I woke up today.
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  I was like, today is the day we sign Juan Soda.
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  I I'm so upset with myself for even think even remotely
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  thinking there was a chance that he was going to end up with
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  anybody else and end up with anybody else except the Mets.
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  Yeah, yeah. This is I mean.
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  We knew this was going to happen And and to your, to your point,
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  you've been, you've been sort of the ringleader here on this.
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  But between the two of us saying that like the that that's an
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  opportunity, meaning the Mets, that's an opportunity for him to
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  be the guy. He no longer had it because you
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  watch it play out this whole year with him being in the in
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  the shadows of judge, which we've talked about many times on
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  this podcast. But it's it's an opportunity for
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  for him to go be the guy. And people can throw around the
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  name Francisco Lindor all they want.
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  We don't need to have that conversation.
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  No, this, this right here. You don't, you don't pay
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  somebody 700 and and what, sixty $65 million?
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  You don't pay somebody that to be your number two guy.
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  You don't, you don't pay $765,000,000 to a guy so he can
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  be your B player on your billboard.
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  No, he's the guy. Correct, Correct.
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  Yeah, look, I've said it in the past, like the the opportunities
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  were just it checked. It checked every box.
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  The Mets checked every box. You know, they were willing to
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  meet the overall total of what he was looking for.
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  They're willing to meet the AAV total that he was looking for.
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  They have the ability to spend money and build around him for
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  the foreseeable future. There's, and I mean no
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  disrespect, but like when you look at Yankee history versus
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  Met history, I'm not trying to be a hater here, but like Tom
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  Seaver, David Wright, Keith Hernandez, like that, those are
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  what come to mind for me. Daryl Strawberry, I guess, like
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  I just I there's not the historical Mount Rushmore names.
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  And so he gets to go to a place for the rest of his career and
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  and lay out his own legacy, legacy that had doesn't have any
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  shadows. Legacy that allows him to be the
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  cornerstone of a franchise for a decade and 1/2 and dictate
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  rewrite the misery that the Mets franchise fandom front office
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  players at different times have been in for a while.
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  Is he going to do it single handedly?
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  No, but he does absolutely command a ripple effect.
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  Is he getting on the mound and throwing next year?
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  No, but he absolutely is changing the course of an entire
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  franchise. And what I'm, what I'm happy for
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  is that the sports world is looking at baseball right now.
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  This is the largest largest contract in all of sports.
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  All of sports ever and. And it's, and it's because of
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  him, it's because of his talent, it's because of of his age, it's
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  because of the way he's played this whole thing.
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  And this is, this is Scott Boris's Mona Lisa.
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  The The hate's going to be coming.
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  The hate. Didn't be coming and now I don't
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  have to defend it anymore, which is I was going to have to defend
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  Why he deserves more, why he got more than Otani.
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  I don't have to defend it now. No, you're smarter than that.
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  I know you, you weren't you. You were going to have the same
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  thoughts about it. If he if the Yankees re signed
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  him for more than Otani, you would have been like this is
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  stupid. I because to your point, you
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  like we talked about this, this was an opportunity for a team
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  that missed out on Soto, such as the Red Sox, such as the
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  Yankees. I'm not even going to really
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  throw the Dodgers in there, but like an opportunity to pivot
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  then like, OK, you miss out on soda.
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  All right, the Red Sox need to be in on Corbin Burns.
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  They need the the phone already needs to be, you know, in use
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  right now for it. It should have been the second
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  that news dropped. Same goes for the Yankees.
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  Like this isn't like this isn't groundbreaking stuff.
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  We we knew that this was going to have to be Plan B for teams
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  like that, but that for, for both of those teams in that
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  example, Red Sox, Yankees, you can still salvage you like you
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  can still come out of this offseason having done your job
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  and and having done it well. Like if you go out and get 1-2
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  frontline guys, you go out and get a a power bat.
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  We, we've been talking about this that I, I, I, it's possible
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  my tone might have been different if the Red Sox somehow
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  got got Soto. But I'm almost, I would almost
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  be happier if you go out and get 2 frontline guys, you go out and
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  get a power bat. Yeah.
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  And. Not to, not to like go towards
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  numbers or analytics or anything like that, 'cause you and I have
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  never been that way. But in reality, like war is WAR.
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  If, if you're going to be that guy and, and say, you know, we
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  got to try and find a way to win and, and, and have the most
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  above average players, you can make up his WAR.
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  And, and the Yankees have other holes.
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  I, I think when I look at the Red Sox, I think it's a little
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  bit of a blessing in disguise and in very different ways.
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  But like, you know, you Fast forward 7-8 years down the road
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  and now you're talking about two fairly unathletic lefties that
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  are committed to that franchise endeavors and Soto that would
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  need that DH spot. And that kind of takes a little
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  bit of load off and and allows some freedom for Devers to slide
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  into that. Naturally.
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  When I look at the Yankees, let's face it, like, as as
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  impressed as I am, and I hope other baseball fans are
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  impressed of how well Judge held it down in center field, he's
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  not a center fielder. He's a right fielder.
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  He doesn't need to be trying left field for the first time
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  because they resigned Soto. He's a right fielder and a
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  borderline Gold Glover in right field.
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  Let him be there. It's his franchise.
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  He's the captain. So there's a lot of blessings by
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  missing out on this. And is it a sting?
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  Yeah. Are Mets fans going to be
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  annoying for a while? Yeah.
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  What else is new? Should they be happy?
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  Yeah. I think it, I think it's
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  impressive. I, I think it, I think it's
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  really impressive of watching something predictable become
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  reality. And for Steve Cohen to just say,
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  what was that report 2 days ago? That notification came across my
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  phone 2-3 days ago that the Mets, duh, the Mets will top any
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  offer. And they did and they did.
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  And I think they saw, I think I saw a notification to the
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  Yankees offered 16 years, 760. So 5 million less one extra
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  year. And that affects not just
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  overall number, it affects the AAV.
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  And I mean, I, I, I'm not going to try and sound like a hater
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  here, but like I, I, I think we see what Soto was after.
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  And there's the majority of us had the theory that it was the
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  overall number and in the highest paid per year.
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  And that's kind of all that mattered.
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  And yeah, so I don't want to hear, I don't want to hear him
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  or Boris come out at any kind of press conference or interview
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  and say it wasn't just about the money.
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  Yeah, that that'd. Be a That's a flow.
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  I don't need to hear that song again.
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  I'm about the. History of the New York come on
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  come on guy, come on you're 26. We we know what this was about.
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  We we knew from the beginning it was just a matter of who was
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  going to be able to provide that final number for you.
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  Speaking of which you mentioned the Yankees offer.
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  It was reported that the Red Sox, the last slash best offer
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  for Soto was 700 million for 15 years, which is is actually
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  interesting, though. It brings up a a point that I
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  came across and and I didn't have a chance to admittedly do
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  my due diligence, but there was this tweet that had been
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  floating around today from fish tastic fish fists on Twitter.
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  It was it was making its round. So I'm I'm guessing other people
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  had hopefully looked into it and provided some validity to it.
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  And then I want to get to this question here on the chat.
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  The tweet said because of NYC city tax, the Mets and Yankees
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  need to outbid the Red Sox by about 4,000,000 per year to
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  match the money Soto would keep. Essentially Boston can match 15
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  to 7:15 for 7:35 with 15 for 675.
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  If the Red Sox are over 700 million already, New York needs
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  to go to 775, which is an interesting point when you take
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  into account the taxes and all of that like.
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  That's a part of the equation. Sure, yeah, like it's easy to
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  get caught up in just the final number.
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  But you have to keep in mind like, there's there's different
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  facets at play here and and it you know, it may or may not mean
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  that a a team is like for the Red Sox example, you look at
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  700, you go, oh, well, that's that.
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  They're cheapen out. If they were really wanted soda,
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  they needed to push at least 750.
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  It's like, well, when you take into account the taxes and
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  everything that it's like, OK, maybe maybe it was a little
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  closer than that. It appears on paper.
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  But this question, Speaking of the Yankees, Joe Mama in the
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  chat says, do you think Soto leaving affects the legacy of
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  the Yankees being top dog AKA the must play, the must be
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  place? I'll be honest with you and
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  correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think the Yankees have
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  been like the must be place for some time.
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  Like I think that I think that was out the window years ago.
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  We're we're talking 1015 years. I mean, it feels like that.
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  You could you could make the I mean, the Dodgers for sure.
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  We know this. But yeah, I mean, you could make
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  the argument and and sure, you have to have some evidence to
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  back it up. But I'm just thinking of options
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  that could at least be in the conversation for like a must be
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  place ahead of the Yankees. Maybe not the top, but like
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  maybe even head of the Yankees. But like San Diego, I mean,
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  you're looking at the track record of the Yankees the last
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  15 years going back to O9 Like we've like we reference.
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  Philly, I mean, that's there's, there's more teams in the
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  conversation now. Even Philly, that's what I'm
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  saying. And I'm not like I said, it's,
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  I'm not saying those are like the the top options, but New
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  York, you have to think the Yankees specifically that
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  they've fallen down the list of a handful of spots, I would
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  think in the last 1015 years. Yeah.
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  Yeah, for sure. You know they can they can cry
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  they can cry poor all they want. They can cry budgetary, you know
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  type mentality or strategy. It's it's it just doesn't just
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  doesn't ring the same the eye. It hasn't felt that.
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  I go back to O 9 and I remember to share ACC and AJ Burnett, you
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  know, having their press conferences all all put on their
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  jerseys. And that was like, OK, like this
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  is the place. Like it.
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  It feels that way and it just it hasn't felt that way since.
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  And one can argue that that that was almost manufactured around
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  the fact that that was the first year of the new Yankee Stadium.
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  You know, I think there was a lot that had to do with that.
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  But yeah, I mean, you know, again, it's it's getting
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  refreshing having an owner that comes out like Steve Cohen and
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  and puts his money where his wallet is and puts his mouth
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  where his wallet is and, you know, says, Hey, let's double
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  down. And I'm I'm willing to pay
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  anything and and does it. On that note, the update just
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  came through. Jeff Passan just retweeted it
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  from Jorge Castillo says Soto can either opt out after the 5th
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  year, which would be in 2029, or receive a $4 million raise per
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  season from 51 million to 55,000,000 for the remainder of
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  the contract. So that's that's what escalates
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  it over 800 because I remember that was the like original
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  notification 765, but could get could get over 800.
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  So there it is, which is a perfect contract for it's a
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  dream contract for a superstar. You're 25 and if you don't like
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  what's going on, if the Mets haven't, you know, backed up
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  what they told you in the in the meeting and you're 30 and you've
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  won an MVP or gotten top five in a couple years, which I think
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  he'll do well, now he's got to compete against Shohei for that.
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  But it's it's another chance at it, you know?
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  So yeah. Bro $805 million.
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  Yeah. He opts in $805 million.
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  What do you even do with that money?
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  I I simply cannot. Is he going to buy the Dr. Can
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  he? He's just buy it out, right?
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  I'm curious, how much does it cost to buy the Dominican
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  Republic? This feels like when Kanye was
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  on a podcast and he's like, how much does the world cost?
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  I want to buy Earth. If I wanted to buy Earth, how
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  much do you think it would cost? My goodness dude, this is
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  different man. The last week, the last I had.
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  I had had an update here this last week with this Soto stuff.
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  Not I'm glad it's done I'm. Glad it's done.
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  And I to be quite honest with you, I'm not even I'm not Even
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  so much as as mad at Soto. I'm really, I mean, I, I have no
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  reason to be upset with Soto. Like Soto did what Soto was
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  supposed to do in this situation.
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  Like like, sure, people can sit there and say, like, what do
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  you, what do you, we can sit here and question like, what do
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  you, what do you even do with all that money?
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  And like, we can sit here and be like, why?
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  You don't need to take that much money.
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  Just take, take like half of that and your fault.
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  You'll, you'll be fine. He's a business asset.
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  His agent told him to just hold strong and let this thing, this
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  is how this always goes. These teams get into bidding
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  wars. Then when you get when you get
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  these egos like like Steve Cohen in the mix, who's like, yeah, I
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  got a $50 million bounty on the top bid.
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  Good luck. Like this number was going to
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  end up at at some point near where it finally ended up.
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  But it my frustration this past week and you could even really
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  say last month or two as this Soto free agency narrative
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  continue to build and grow was just the, the like every, every
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  week we're, we're we're bumping the total, the expected total up
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  like $100 million. Yeah, it wasn't going up by
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  10/15/20. It wasn't going up and.
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  People are just continuing to justify it.
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  Every step along the way. I'm like, OK, so you're telling
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  me the guy that you said dessert $500 million deserves 600
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  million and then the next week hits.
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  So you're telling me the guy that's you thought, OK, 600
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  million is probably good. You're, you're now somehow
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  trying to justify 700 million. And it just kept going and going
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  and going. And that's why I can't, that's
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  why I got so fed up with it. And I'm like, let's just offer
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  him a billion dollars and let's get it over with.
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  Because if this thing continues to stretch out, that's where
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  this thing is going to end up. And so it, it, it, it was just,
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  I got tired of these like these talking heads and like these
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  reporters on it, all the reporters who are like, I'm not
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  going to name names. There was a particular reporter
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  reporter that had him sign to the Red Sox on Thanksgiving.
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  And this was like 10 days ago. And there, there was so much of
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  that. And I know, I know it's a lot of
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  just Twitter personalities trying to throw stuff at the
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  wall and seeing what sticks. And then they can claim that
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  they had it. But just the there were multiple
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  occasions this past week where I thought we collectively as a
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  baseball community have we're certifiably insane.
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  We have collectively lost our minds.
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  We I don't think we understand that, that we're getting too
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  swept up in this. This needs to end.
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  This needs to be done because we're sitting here trying to
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  justify or say that Juan Soto, a single player who again, I'm not
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  being a hater, this is just fact, was not even the best
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  hitter on his own team this year.
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  We're saying that he he's, he's deserving of a $700 million
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  contract. And I'll.
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  Continue to stand by that. Soto, you've always been camp.
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  So I love, I love me some Soto. You've always, always supported
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  him and I think. And I can go back to supporting
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  Soto now that he's on the other side of town.
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  I'm sure you can. It's I, I can't now, but again,
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  like I'm not like bitter about it.
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  It's, it's a weird feeling. I'm, I'm actually very OK with
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  how things played out. I I like the fact that I see a
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  notification right away that the Yankees did everything they
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  could. That's an absolutely more than
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  reasonable enough offer. Adding a year being 5 million
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  less. Maybe there was no opt out.
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  I don't know. I don't know the structure, but
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  I'm I'm OK as a Yankee fan knowing that they lost and and
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  came in second. They didn't bow out at 600
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  million or bow out at 6:50. They stayed until the end.
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  And in reality, I'll be I'm, I think that they're going to, I
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  think they're going to pop off. And I hope that maybe it, it
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  sparks a little bit of like a, a little fire saying, you know
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  what? We missed out and, and the
• 24:46
  world's looking at us like, whoa, the Yankees aren't the
• 24:50
  Mecca anymore. Go get two or three of these
• 24:53
  guys at least. Go get a Bregman, go get a
• 24:56
  freeder, Corbin Burns, go get it done.
• 25:00
  Go get a Santander. Whatever.
• 25:02
  It's no mystery that I hate the Yankees, but I for the sake of
• 25:05
  baseball, for the sake of the whole villain era, I'm going to
• 25:09
  need the Yankees to like, really?
• 25:11
  Step up and be the villain. Really put it on the table here
• 25:14
  and say we need to get because you look back at this past year.
• 25:19
  I think the reason you didn't really see that like sure, they
• 25:23
  end up in the World Series, obviously, but I think the
• 25:26
  reason you didn't really see this like the evil Empire's back
• 25:30
  mentality is because they knew they had to wait out this Soto
• 25:33
  thing because you can't you can't fully commit to the we're
• 25:37
  back. The evil Empire's back.
• 25:39
  If after this offseason you go back to the team you were before
• 25:43
  you had one Soto. So they were I think they were
• 25:47
  like tiptoe and they're sort of waiting it outgoing.
• 25:49
  OK, if we can get him back at A, at a couple more supporting
• 25:53
  pieces, the the evil Empire's back, they didn't do it.
• 25:57
  And so they're going to have to figure out a, A, a Plan B here
• 25:59
  very quickly. The long list of of players that
• 26:04
  the former Yankees that the Mets have brought over just gets one
• 26:08
  name longer, you know what I mean?
• 26:10
  And I it's, it's a weird little mentality thing.
• 26:14
  But I, I think the Yankees can go a different direction and I
• 26:16
  think they're going to be fine as far as the Mets go.
• 26:19
  I mean, look there like there's more to more to be done.
• 26:23
  There has to be more to to go. That rotation still needs help,
• 26:28
  a lot of help. Does Pete Alonso come back?
• 26:33
  You know what I mean? Like it you got a hole at first
• 26:35
  base if he's not so. I saw a tweet, I saw a tweet
• 26:38
  earlier that said, I don't think of Mets fans realize that in
• 26:43
  cheering for Soto to sign that you're essentially signing off
• 26:50
  on Pete Alonso being let go. Is that I don't think I don't
• 26:54
  think Mets fans really realize that.
• 26:56
  And I had to think I'm like, I mean, or if that is true, like,
• 27:01
  where are you? Would you be OK with that?
• 27:03
  Mets fans like you're getting Juan Soto, you know, like.
• 27:06
  Yeah, I don't know. That I would be OK with that I.
• 27:11
  Don't know. Good luck with Clay Holmes in
• 27:14
  the rotation I guess. I hopefully that pans out for
• 27:19
  you guys. I think I, I think I've made it
• 27:23
  up in my mind, you mentioned Clay Holmes.
• 27:25
  We, we do have, there are obviously been some moves I
• 27:28
  think I've made-up in my mind that we are going to have this
• 27:33
  be solely a, a, a subtle podcast because of because of where
• 27:37
  we're at at this point in the podcast.
• 27:39
  And then we're, we're going to do a sweet because frankly,
• 27:41
  nobody as exciting as like the Willie Adamus movies for the
• 27:46
  Giants. And frankly, quite frankly, I'm,
• 27:48
  I'm genuinely excited to talk about that.
• 27:51
  I think Soto is sort of the headliner here.
• 27:54
  That not to mention we're going to have a lot of Domino's fall
• 27:57
  between now and the right the next podcast.
• 28:00
  So we're going to we'll. Do a We'll do a big sweep our
• 28:04
  next episode, but. How do you let's get it?
• 28:09
  I mean, I'm I'm just trying to wrap my mind around Soto in
• 28:15
  Queens line up wise, defensively, you know what I
• 28:22
  mean? Like if if he is, I don't I've
• 28:26
  never really heard any reports or like ideas that he would want
• 28:32
  to be adh right field in the in in in Queens is a lot different
• 28:40
  than the Bronx. It's a lot different.
• 28:43
  It's a lot bigger and, you know, like a, a, a limping around
• 28:49
  Nimmo, who seems to be kind of the left fielder now.
• 28:53
  Like you got to go get somebody who can run it down in center
• 28:59
  and really cover some ground. I'm seeing a projected lineup
• 29:04
  from Fox Sports. They got Lindor at short, Soto
• 29:08
  and right, Mark Vientos at first, Brandon Nimmo and left.
• 29:12
  Starling Marte is ADH, Francisco Alvarez behind the dish, Jeff
• 29:17
  McNeil at second. Jose Syrian center.
• 29:20
  A lot of people forgot. They went out.
• 29:22
  They went out and got. Forgot about that, yeah.
• 29:24
  And then Brett Beatty at third. That's a good lineup.
• 29:28
  That's definitely a good lineup. I mean, it'll compete like
• 29:31
  that'll play. Say what you will about the Mets
• 29:34
  and and I know with their post season run, I think you and I
• 29:38
  both acknowledge it. Like maybe we're at the point
• 29:42
  now where we have to start putting the whole Mets going to
• 29:45
  Met narrative to sleep. Even just.
• 29:48
  Unless you're a Braves fan listening to this, they'll
• 29:52
  they'll die on that hill I think.
• 29:54
  But I mean, look, the the Mets made a lot of us eat crow this
• 29:58
  year. That's just the reality of it.
• 30:00
  And, and surely they didn't it, the season didn't end for them
• 30:03
  the way they would have hoped. But you do what you did this
• 30:08
  year, come up a little short, You follow that up with going
• 30:12
  out and getting Sodo. And like you said, I, I have a
• 30:15
  hard time believing that a guy named Steve Cohen, who again,
• 30:21
  had put out a $50 million bounty on the top bid is done making
• 30:26
  additions. I just have a real hard, hard
• 30:28
  time believing that that's the case.
• 30:31
  I'm with you. Looking at the current Mets
• 30:35
  depth chart for the rotation on MLB.com, we have Kodai Singa,
• 30:43
  David Peterson, Frankie Montos and Paul Blackburn.
• 30:52
  Yeah, that ain't going to cut it.
• 30:56
  But if. I mean, if this is what you do,
• 30:59
  you know, if if I think the mentality is like if we go get
• 31:03
  one soda. We get a double down.
• 31:05
  Don't forget Clay Holmes. Clay Holmes, right?
• 31:07
  They're slotting him in his stingers.
• 31:09
  Yeah, which is an interesting thought.
• 31:12
  But they got to keep going. Like you, you, you have to go
• 31:18
  all the way now. You know what I mean?
• 31:19
  You got to double down and start really committing to building
• 31:24
  this team. Juan Soda was great, but like
• 31:27
  it. You need more, you know, your
• 31:31
  team was not happy with Brett Beatty.
• 31:35
  Your team was wishy washy. But Jeff McNeil had a really,
• 31:42
  really tough year last year and missed a ton of time.
• 31:46
  I like Mark Vientos. I think the future is bright for
• 31:48
  him. Really good hitter.
• 31:52
  Don't know how he slots at first base.
• 31:54
  It's there's question marks that need to be, that need to be
• 31:58
  taken care of and and I fully expect them to keep going, fully
• 32:02
  expect them to keep going. Or will they be, you know, in
• 32:06
  the conversation for the rest of these top free agents?
• 32:11
  I don't know, but there's still some names out there that can
• 32:14
  that can help them out. All right, let's get real.
• 32:17
  For a second scale of one to 10, how likely do you think it is
• 32:21
  that the New York Mets land one of the two between Max Reed and
• 32:26
  Corbin Burns? Just one.
• 32:34
  Give it a four. Is that fair?
• 32:40
  All right? Yeah, that's fair.
• 32:41
  What? Do you think it the I'll, I'll,
• 32:46
  I'll follow up my number with a little bit of justification,
• 32:50
  thinking that like, I think there's going to be an overpay
• 32:54
  by some of these other teams just to get it done correct, To
• 32:57
  get it done quickly. Yeah.
• 32:58
  Because now that they're out of this, you know they're going to
• 33:01
  go after it. Yeah, shout out bridge to bucked
• 33:04
  over pot in the chat says Red Sox and Yankees can't let that
• 33:07
  happen. I absolutely agree.
• 33:08
  That's probably why I'd put it at A3 or A4 likelihood that they
• 33:12
  would land one of those. Not not because I don't think
• 33:15
  Steve Cohen is willing to add that to his checkbook.
• 33:23
  But I don't. Like you said, I don't think the
• 33:25
  team like the Yankees or the Red Sox, I just don't think that
• 33:31
  they would, they would stop at a certain point to get like
• 33:33
  they're going to, like you said, they're going to have to overpay
• 33:36
  to get one of those. It's going to suck.
• 33:38
  But at the end of the day, you're still not paying
• 33:41
  765,000,000. So maybe you look at that as
• 33:44
  like the bright side, we were like, well, we can go and get a
• 33:46
  frontline guy and we're not paying 765,000,000.
• 33:49
  Dollars and I personally think those deals are coming soon.
• 33:52
  I think all of all of those teams had offers ready to go the
• 33:57
  second this notification came out, the second they got, you
• 34:00
  know, notified that he's going elsewhere, They had these other
• 34:04
  deals ready to go and ready to be fired out.
• 34:07
  So you can't have those offers out there saying, hey, this is
• 34:11
  only an offer if Soto doesn't sign here.
• 34:14
  So, you know, I think Burns, Freed, Bregman are going to be
• 34:18
  getting calls this week. I could see at least two of
• 34:21
  those three guys going this week.
• 34:24
  But yeah, I mean, the Mets look like your, your mentality can no
• 34:31
  longer be the little brother in New York.
• 34:34
  You can no longer be the, you know, poor us in the NL E your
• 34:42
  mentality has to shift to how do we compete with the Dodgers and
• 34:45
  the NLCS? Then you're still not there.
• 34:49
  You got you got some work to do to get on their level.
• 34:55
  That's what's laughable about this whole thing.
• 34:56
  You just gave a guy the largest contract in sports history and
• 35:03
  the Dodgers are still sitting over there going, OK, what else?
• 35:08
  What else are you going to do? Because as of right now, you're
• 35:12
  not. You're not you're not keeping up
• 35:14
  with us. Yeah.
• 35:15
  We'll talk about, I know we'll talk about it, but.
• 35:17
  Like trying just. Just funny.
• 35:19
  That was like quickly fired out like 10 minutes later.
• 35:21
  But anyway, yeah, minutes. Like a minute like that was not
• 35:24
  that was not coincidental. That was very much intentional.
• 35:29
  Yeah, just like I said, I I think that I think the biggest
• 35:36
  take away from this is, is what I said earlier is that I'm just
• 35:41
  so I'll take the I'll take the the team buys glasses off.
• 35:48
  As a baseball fan, I'm just upset that we spent this, well,
• 35:55
  I'll say whole offseason. It's been what, a month plus
• 36:02
  month and a half? I'm just upset that we spent
• 36:05
  this whole time, really this whole year, because we knew,
• 36:07
  like we knew this was impending, this reagency was impending,
• 36:11
  thinking that it was going to be any other team but the Mets.
• 36:15
  When I saw the when I saw the text notification come through,
• 36:18
  I I looked at Meredith and I was like, well, there it is.
• 36:22
  Like I just. It wasn't even.
• 36:24
  I wasn't shocked. I was holding out hope that
• 36:27
  maybe like it that it would admittedly the Red Sox because I
• 36:32
  knew they were in the they were in the hunt, they were in the
• 36:33
  mix. But I was like, even if it was a
• 36:37
  Yankees, that would be more of a shock to me then then then the
• 36:42
  Mets. But I'm like, we really wasted
• 36:44
  all this time. Just we were, we weren't even
• 36:47
  here's the reality of it. We weren't even waiting to hear
• 36:50
  what team it was. We were waiting to hear what the
• 36:52
  total dollar amount was. It was always the Mets and I
• 36:57
  feel stupid for thinking that it was any other team but the Mets.
• 37:02
  For our friends up north, what what are the Blue Jays now?
• 37:07
  You know what I mean? They were never now that they
• 37:10
  missed out on the sweepstakes. No, no, no, no, no.
• 37:13
  They're still. They're still on their Plan A.
• 37:15
  They're on their agenda A because this was never this.
• 37:20
  It's not like they're shifting to Plan B now.
• 37:23
  Like the Red Sox, Yankees, the Blue Jays were never in on this.
• 37:26
  That I'm wholeheartedly convinced.
• 37:29
  That, that was the fact. I think Haman at one point said
• 37:33
  that it was the Jays and Mets, but the Yankees were in fourth
• 37:37
  place or whatever. Heyman that's another thing we
• 37:40
  haven't really touched on is how much, how much do you think the
• 37:46
  the whole Boris Heyman leverage game played into this?
• 37:51
  Do you, do we, do we think that it would, it would have, you
• 37:55
  know, sans John Heyman and these fake Boris burner account
• 38:01
  reporter tweets. Do we think that it was going to
• 38:05
  end up at this number just because of the nature of Steve
• 38:09
  Cohen? Or do we think that the do we
• 38:13
  think the leverage game played into this a little bit?
• 38:17
  Because as much as like the the, the, the thing for me is 9 times
• 38:23
  out of 10, looking at the situation, the way it played
• 38:26
  out, I'm telling you that the Red Sox were used as a pawn.
• 38:31
  But. I have to legitimately think
• 38:33
  this one time out of 10, if you ran the simulation 10 times, I
• 38:38
  legitimately think this one time, shockingly, that they were
• 38:43
  a legitimate contender. So I just, I like, I just don't
• 38:48
  know who was being used as leverage.
• 38:50
  All three teams were contenders. My theory is that leverage goes,
• 38:55
  the Red Sox needed to be in it to get the Yankees more in it.
• 39:01
  And I don't know if I give the Yankees enough credit here or or
• 39:05
  too much credit, I should say. But once it's it's out there
• 39:12
  that Steve Cohen is Steve Cohen is going to top every offer,
• 39:17
  Let's just drive that price up then let's just keep driving it
• 39:20
  up. If they're always going to top
• 39:22
  it, let's keep it going. Why not keep it going and make
• 39:29
  sure the Mets pay as much as humanly possible for him?
• 39:33
  And they did. I saw a lot of people saying
• 39:40
  which we, we sort of just said this insane that like we weren't
• 39:46
  waiting on to find out or we weren't waiting to find out what
• 39:48
  team he was choosing. It was just we were waiting to
• 39:50
  see how much money he would end up getting.
• 39:53
  How long do you think Juan Soto has known that he was going to
• 39:57
  play for the Mets? Like, we obviously have no way
• 40:01
  of actually knowing this, but like, if you just had to take a
• 40:03
  guess, like, let's go inside the mind of one, sort of like how?
• 40:06
  When do you think this was decided?
• 40:15
  Do you think? Can you be honest with me?
• 40:16
  Do you think there was even the slightest possibility that he's
• 40:21
  playing in the World Series for the New York Yankees?
• 40:24
  Thinking this is fun and all, but I'm going to be across.
• 40:28
  I'm going to be across town next season.
• 40:30
  Do you think there, do you think even in the World Series run,
• 40:33
  that he thought that he would end up with the Mets?
• 40:37
  I think for the few moments in Game 2 or Game 3, whatever it
• 40:42
  was where they they had a hot start to the game and they'll it
• 40:47
  looked like the Yankees could be an actual contend contender for
• 40:52
  winning this thing. Like maybe I'd like to think
• 40:55
  that there is a moment there and that's the other thing too.
• 40:58
  Like it's if, if the Yankees would have won and Soto left, I
• 41:06
  would have, I would have been happy.
• 41:07
  I would have been totally fine. This does sting a little bit,
• 41:11
  but I think the Yankees are going to be good.
• 41:13
  I think they're going to move on.
• 41:14
  I think they're going to do. I think this was all perfectly
• 41:19
  planned out. I genuinely think that the the
• 41:22
  Red Sox leak and and favoritism in media was to get the Yankees
• 41:29
  really engaged, really fired up. Boris in the media have done
• 41:34
  this over and over again and they're masters at it.
• 41:39
  Well, after this last offseason, I think we a little tip of the
• 41:45
  cap to Scott Boris for getting a swagger back a little bit
• 41:50
  because we're not talking Rich's contract in baseball.
• 41:57
  Yeah. All of sports.
• 42:01
  How do you top this? I mean, if you're Scott, Boris,
• 42:05
  like, does your bank even accept deposits of whatever you're
• 42:11
  about to deposit? I mean, what are we?
• 42:17
  This was a big this was a big dub for Boris.
• 42:19
  This was much needed for Boris. He he needed a win.
• 42:23
  He needed AI mean he he had the Snell deal, but like this was
• 42:26
  the this was the big one and he needed this man.
• 42:32
  What? Unreal.
• 42:36
  Thanks, Juan and Scott. I was going to go to bed early
• 42:40
  tonight. Glad it's over.
• 42:42
  Yeah. Glad it's over.
• 42:45
  Me too. We got for those dominoes, they
• 42:48
  coming, it's very possible. You we wake up to a deal.
• 42:54
  Yeah, it's true. I mean, I would almost say it's
• 42:57
  likely. I think, I think deals are going
• 42:59
  to be raining down this week. I don't think like I don't think
• 43:03
  we can stress enough how important it is for these other
• 43:06
  teams to pivot. Like you have to jump on this
• 43:10
  because if you don't specifically Burns and freed
• 43:16
  like crochet, whatever, two guys that you can just outright flex
• 43:24
  money on those guys like you specifically looking at those
• 43:31
  two pictures. And then the the you know,
• 43:34
  options you have position player wise, you need to just go out
• 43:39
  and and open up the checkbook. Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, if
• 43:43
  you, if you feel like giving the finger to the Mets.
• 43:48
  No Dodgers. All done.
• 43:51
  All done with the Dodgers. I wouldn't be surprised.
• 43:55
  I mean, we just kind of ragged on the on the Jays little bit.
• 43:58
  But like I said, I don't think Soto was ever Plan A for them.
• 44:01
  I think that was. I could see Pete Alonzo there,
• 44:04
  dude. I I could see them making a move
• 44:11
  that was that would end up being their plan A.
• 44:15
  They're not pivoting. They're they're still in pursuit
• 44:18
  of their plan A, whatever that is, whoever that is.
• 44:24
  I don't know, man. The American League is wide open
• 44:26
  now. Yeah, American League is wide
• 44:29
  open. The NL.
• 44:32
  Gauntlet. Bro, the All Star game.
• 44:34
  We're about to be out in Atlanta next.
• 44:36
  Year. Unbelievable gauntlet though.
• 44:40
  NL is going to be looking strong.
• 44:43
  I know the Braves fully healthy, obviously the Dodgers, the Mets,
• 44:49
  I mean the Padres, the Dodgers came out saying the Padres are
• 44:54
  the toughest team. They played like all the NL has
• 44:58
  like really, really taken off. And it's nothing against, you
• 45:03
  know, those AO central teams. But like, if we're talking about
• 45:08
  the Guardians and the Tigers and the Twins, it's like, no, dude,
• 45:12
  no, the Blue Jays, like no, the Mariners haven't.
• 45:17
  The NL is going to be running the show for a little while, I
• 45:20
  think. It's not the not the Major
• 45:27
  League Baseball we grew up with. American League ran the table,
• 45:32
  stays are dead. National League here.
• 45:34
  And again, with the size of these contracts or the lengths
• 45:36
  of these contracts, NL is going to be here to stay for some
• 45:40
  time. Scary.
• 45:44
  And it's all thanks. Well, thanks.
• 45:49
  Doing part to a lot of deals that have gone through over the
• 45:52
  last handful of years. But most recently the addition
• 45:54
  of Juan Soto to the New York Mets.
• 45:56
  Again, 15 years, $765 million. A lot of there's a lot of
• 46:09
  speculation that it would happen.
• 46:10
  Tonight the news broke and baseball world went crazy.
• 46:16
  So now we we watch the dominoes fall as they may.
• 46:24
  Like I said, we could wake up to some, but we shall see.
• 46:30
  Getting out of here. Next time you and I chat, we'll
• 46:34
  presumably be Wednesday or Thursday.
• 46:40
  Yeah. Something like that.
• 46:41
  We'll do a sweep of these deals that you know, happened in the
• 46:45
  last couple of days but we just didn't get to but.
• 46:47
  Definitely cover everything else if you're new here and and the
• 46:50
  Soto news brought you to our door.
• 46:52
  Welcome. Welcome to the family.
• 46:56
  Stick around. Yeah, we will be doing this
• 46:59
  twice a week for as long as time goes, as long as this contract
• 47:05
  goes for one Soto, we're going to be doing this twice a week.
• 47:07
  So rate review subscribe, hit us up, DM, send us your send us
• 47:15
  your thoughts. Hit us up in the in the chat
• 47:18
  during our live, you know, whatever you can do to to join
• 47:24
  the fam hop in and I don't know I'm going to bed.
• 47:31
  I think I think I can sleep peacefully.
• 47:33
  I'm OK. It's going to be a new day.
• 47:37
  You'll wake up. It'll.
• 47:38
  Be a new day. It's a whole new chapter.
• 47:40
  All right, I'm out of here. Don't get chasing curveballs.
• 47:43
  Love you and as always, looking forward to talking more baseball
• 47:45
  with you guys soon. Until next time, stay filthy.