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Gretchen Rhodes Tells Her Story Of Abuse At The Hands Of Maxwell And Epstein (Part 2) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to pick right up where we left off,
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  Speaker 1: talking about what happened to Gretchen Rhodes at the hands
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  Speaker 1: of Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein. Always, I would feel horrible.
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  Speaker 1: After Jeffrey Epstein had carried out such a disgusting exploitation
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  Speaker 1: of an employee, this Jekyll and Hyde man would revert
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  Speaker 1: to the warm and kind person he had been before.
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  Speaker 1: Rhodes chooses not to describe any more specific incidents on
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  Speaker 1: camera and tells I, totally understandably, that I'm not super
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  Speaker 1: into talking about that. But she makes clear that this
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  Speaker 1: wasn't the only incident. It definitely happened more than that time.
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  Speaker 1: So look, nobody can force anybody to talk about things
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  Speaker 1: that are traumatizing to them. Whenever these women are ready
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  Speaker 1: to come out and talk about their story, or what
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  Speaker 1: happened to them at the hands of Epstein, then they'll
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  Speaker 1: do so. And if they never decide to tell their story,
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  Speaker 1: that is certainly their prerogative as well. I can't imagine
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  Speaker 1: going through my life with this hanging over my head.
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  Speaker 1: Further abuses were sporadic, she explains. It was the normality
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  Speaker 1: of his behavior the rest of the time. Normal for
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  Speaker 1: any rich businessman staying on his own paradise island. At least,
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  Speaker 1: that made the situation such a mindfuck, said Rhodes. She
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  Speaker 1: apologizes for swearing like a pirate, but it is the
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  Speaker 1: only way she can get across what she was subjected to. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's right. You know, swearing like a pirate, cursing like
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  Speaker 1: a pirate. That's right in my wheelhouse. I have to
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  Speaker 1: really control myself on the podcast. I try not to
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  Speaker 1: curse too much here because I know there's a wide
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  Speaker 1: variety of people who listen, people who are religious. So
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  Speaker 1: I try to respect that. But every now and then,
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  Speaker 1: I can't help it. And you have to remember, at
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  Speaker 1: least for me, your boy speaks New York Italian. That
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  Speaker 1: means every other word basically is an F-bomb in my
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  Speaker 1: real life. So I understand completely, Ms. Rhodes. Normally, it
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  Speaker 1: was such a run-of-the-mill massage, and then, every once in
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  Speaker 1: a while, it would happen. Always, I would feel horrible.
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  Speaker 1: In the scope of how many times I massaged him,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't that many times, but also, none of it
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  Speaker 1: was okay. One time is too many. This dude touching
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  Speaker 1: you one time, fondling you one time, rubbing you, groping you,
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  Speaker 1: whatever it is, one time is way too many. Prince
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  Speaker 1: Andrew is believed to have visited Little St. James in
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  Speaker 1: February of 1999, according to flight logs. He is thought
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  Speaker 1: to have flown there once more on Good Friday 2001
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  Speaker 1: and stayed for 48 hours. This was weeks after the
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  Speaker 1: infamous photo of him with Maxwell and Virginia Roberts, who
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  Speaker 1: accuses the royal of sexually assaulting her three times, is
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  Speaker 1: thought to have been taken. Roberts has claimed that, later
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  Speaker 1: in 2001, she had to take part in an open-air
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  Speaker 1: orgy on the island with the prince involving up to
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  Speaker 1: eight other teenage girls. Though, she has given conflicting accounts
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  Speaker 1: of this. In March, she settled a civil lawsuit with Andrew,
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  Speaker 1: who has always denied wrongdoing. Oh yeah, well, of course
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  Speaker 1: he has. Rhodes was never asked to massage celebrity guests
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  Speaker 1: and does not believe her time on the island coincided
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  Speaker 1: with any of Prince Andrew's visits. But it was very
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  Speaker 1: much a speak when spoken to situation over there, she says.
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  Speaker 1: So it was hard to know what others were going through.
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  Speaker 1: Epstein and Maxwell managed to create an environment where nobody
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  Speaker 1: felt able to confront themselves with what was happening, let
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  Speaker 1: alone tell others. So they fomented an environment where the
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  Speaker 1: girls weren't really to interact with one another. It was,
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  Speaker 1: you're here to do a job, not hang out with
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  Speaker 1: your friends and socialize. That was what, you know, Maxwell
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  Speaker 1: and Epstein were running on these girls. There were always
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  Speaker 1: different groups of girls. He would have different people that
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  Speaker 1: would stay with him. One of them could have caught
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  Speaker 1: me on my way back to the kitchen or before
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  Speaker 1: I was taken back to the other island where I
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  Speaker 1: live and been like, we have to tell somebody. You
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  Speaker 1: have to help me or get me off of here.
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  Speaker 1: But there was none of that. Everybody was always laughing
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  Speaker 1: and joking and having wonderful dinners and bouncing up and
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  Speaker 1: down on the little trampoline that was out in the cove.
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  Speaker 1: No one was ever like, oh my god, get me
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  Speaker 1: out of here. I'm sure there were things that were happening, 100%,
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  Speaker 1: but no one ever acted like they were in distress, ever.
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  Speaker 1: But did I? I didn't either. I was just full
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  Speaker 1: of shame, so maybe these people were full of shame
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  Speaker 1: and embarrassed as well and didn't want to admit what
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  Speaker 1: was happening to them. I can only assume. Well, for me,
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  Speaker 1: and again, this is just my opinion, the outside view,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of it has to do with it being normalized.
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  Speaker 1: If everybody else is doing it around you, then it's
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  Speaker 1: just normal behavior. When all of your friends are heroin addicts,
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  Speaker 1: then it's not out of the norm to walk into
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  Speaker 1: a room and see people popping mainline. Just like it's
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  Speaker 1: not out of the norm if you're on the island
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  Speaker 1: with a pedophile and a sick woman abuser to have
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of women around who might look like they're
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  Speaker 1: not in distress because in their minds they might not be.
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  Speaker 1: It was all part of it. You see, this wasn't
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  Speaker 1: just girls that were brought in for one day or
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  Speaker 1: two days. These girls were groomed over a period of
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  Speaker 1: time and they were groomed not only to the sexual
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  Speaker 1: abuse but to the normalcy of it. It was only
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  Speaker 1: years after she left the island that Rhodes learned the
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  Speaker 1: terrible truth of what others had to endure. Sour Ransom,
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  Speaker 1: who gave a survivor impact statement at Maxwell's sentencing in
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  Speaker 1: New York last week, told Sky News before the hearing,
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  Speaker 1: I have spent the last 17 years in my own
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  Speaker 1: prison for what she, Jeffrey, and all the co-conspirators did
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  Speaker 1: to me. I was raped repeatedly. I was raped three
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  Speaker 1: times a day sometimes. And I was not the only
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  Speaker 1: girl on that island. There was a constant stream of
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  Speaker 1: girls being raped over and over again. And again, that
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  Speaker 1: locks right into what we just said. That's what they do.
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  Speaker 1: Once it's normalized, then they can do whatever they want
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  Speaker 1: because it doesn't seem weird or out of the box, right?
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  Speaker 1: Escape from Little St. James. Somehow, Rhodes lasted five years
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  Speaker 1: working on the island which Ransom has described as a
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  Speaker 1: dungeon of sexual hell. It was meeting the man who
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  Speaker 1: would become her husband on a flight in Europe that
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  Speaker 1: led her to finally breaking free. In 2006, she moved
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  Speaker 1: thousands of miles away to the Hawaiian island of Maui. Now,
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  Speaker 1: if you're going to go and heal somewhere and you
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  Speaker 1: got to go and get your mind right, I can
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  Speaker 1: think of a lot worse places to go than Maui.
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  Speaker 1: And you see the comparison here with Virginia? Virginia met
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  Speaker 1: a good guy, Robert, and he helped her. And Miss Rhodes,
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  Speaker 1: she met a good man, and he helped her as well.
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  Speaker 1: The moral of the story there is, well, not all
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  Speaker 1: men are pieces of shit, right? By then, an investigation
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  Speaker 1: into Epstein was finally underway. In 2008, he pleaded guilty
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  Speaker 1: to soliciting a 14-year-old girl, who he had molested in
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  Speaker 1: Palm Beach. His sentence was just 18 months, of which
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  Speaker 1: he served 13, and he was allowed to travel to
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  Speaker 1: his office on work release for 12 hours a day,
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  Speaker 1: six days a week. Must be nice, huh? Next time
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  Speaker 1: you get in trouble, hopefully you don't, but next time
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  Speaker 1: you do, if you do, just tell the judge, I'm
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  Speaker 1: looking for the Jeffrey Epstein plan, sir. I'd like to just,
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to be sentenced to 18 months, but I'll
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  Speaker 1: only serve 13 of those, but I get to do
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  Speaker 1: work release six days a week. And let's see what
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  Speaker 1: the judge has to say to you. In many ways,
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  Speaker 1: life has been good to Rhodes since leaving the Caribbean.
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  Speaker 1: She and her husband have a daughter. She achieved her
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  Speaker 1: dream of singing for a living, performing blues and rock
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  Speaker 1: in a local band with Mick Fleetwood, the co-founder and
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  Speaker 1: drummer of Fleetwood Mac. And she did her best to
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  Speaker 1: compartmentalize what had happened with Maxwell and Epstein. That's what
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people do with trauma. You compartmentalize it, right?
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  Speaker 1: You try and bury it so it doesn't ever come
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  Speaker 1: back and rear its ugly head. If I really scratched
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  Speaker 1: the surface and I went into it, there were always
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  Speaker 1: going to be huge amounts of shame and embarrassment, she says.
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  Speaker 1: But pushing forward in her music career also meant empowering
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  Speaker 1: myself by not ever letting anybody fuck with me again.
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  Speaker 1: I'm taking the reins of what I want to do
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  Speaker 1: with my life. No one's handing it to me. And...
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  Speaker 1: for my money, that's the best way to do it.
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  Speaker 1: You have to go out and take whatever you want.
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  Speaker 1: You have to go and do it. And let me
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  Speaker 1: tell you something, folks, alright? You gotta believe in yourself.
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  Speaker 1: And you better not back down ever. Because if you
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  Speaker 1: don't believe in yourself, nobody's ever going to believe in you.
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  Speaker 1: And you can talk the talk all you want, but
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  Speaker 1: you better damn well walk the walk. Unbeknownst to Rhodes, however,
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  Speaker 1: Her name had been listed in Epstein's contacts. I can't
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  Speaker 1: get away from it because my name is in that
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  Speaker 1: black book, she says. And speaking of the black book,
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  Speaker 1: you know, everybody wants names and the list and all
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  Speaker 1: of that. Folks, dig into that black book. Take a
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  Speaker 1: look at those names. People weren't in that black book
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  Speaker 1: just because. That wasn't like when you were growing up,
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  Speaker 1: if you were growing up in the 80s and the 90s. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, your little black book of phone numbers. All
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  Speaker 1: the girls that you met during the weekend when you
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  Speaker 1: were hanging out on the strip with your boys or
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  Speaker 1: up at Wet n' Wild. It's not the same kind
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  Speaker 1: of black book, folks. So all of those names in there,
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  Speaker 1: if your name is in that black book, now it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. automatically mean that you were engaged in something
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  Speaker 1: effed up, but I'll tell you this much, you got
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  Speaker 1: my attention and you should be looked at. Reporters obtained
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  Speaker 1: this and she was eight months pregnant when a journalist
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  Speaker 1: first contacted her. He kept calling and calling and calling. saying,
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  Speaker 1: I'm here on Maui and I came to your house,
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  Speaker 1: she says. Her husband, who knew Rhodes had worked for Epstein,
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  Speaker 1: but did not know he had abused her, warned the
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  Speaker 1: reporter away. But then she was contacted by a British
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  Speaker 1: journalist who was very understanding and explained she had been
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  Speaker 1: included in Epstein's address book. You know, the thing is,
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  Speaker 1: these jerk-off reporters, this isn't your story where you go
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  Speaker 1: and kick in someone's door, bro, and you go and
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  Speaker 1: harass people at their home. These girls suffered severe trauma.
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  Speaker 1: They don't need some jerk-off from some rag-ass publication showing
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  Speaker 1: up at their house. And it's like the people who
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  Speaker 1: tag these girls in everything they do on Twitter. So weird.
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  Speaker 1: Leave them alone. Go live your life. Let them live
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  Speaker 1: their life. In 2015, a redacted version of the book
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  Speaker 1: was leaked online and Rhodes began being contacted more often.
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  Speaker 1: I've had journalists calling me constantly. trying to get information
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  Speaker 1: because I hadn't spoken out to anybody. I was always deflecting,
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  Speaker 1: she says. A writer, Leland Nolley, tells Channel 4 how
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  Speaker 1: he investigated Epstein by calling every number in his infamous
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  Speaker 1: black book. One former friend of Epstein told Nolley how
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  Speaker 1: the hedge fund manager would interrupt ordinary conversations by asking,
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  Speaker 1: what has that got to do with the P word,
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  Speaker 1: he added. That was his favorite expression. Now, Leland Nolley
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  Speaker 1: is the author from Mother Jones, the journalist who called
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  Speaker 1: every name in the black book. You can find that
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  Speaker 1: in the catalog as well. Just type into the search
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  Speaker 1: function black book and it'll pop right up. But I
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  Speaker 1: did several different articles about that. Saying that Epstein must
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  Speaker 1: have suffered from satriasis, the male equivalent of nymphomania, the
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  Speaker 1: former friend added, probably a lot of men have that.
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  Speaker 1: For all I know, except very few of them have
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  Speaker 1: the money to treat themselves to sex three times a
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  Speaker 1: day with young girls. He made an industry out of it.
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey was a very, very sick man. Yeah, no shit.
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  Speaker 1: No shit. Confronting her past. By 2019, the only person
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  Speaker 1: Rhodes had ever spoken to about her experiences was her
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  Speaker 1: best friend, When Epstein was arrested in July that year
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  Speaker 1: and killed himself in his prison cell a month later, allegedly,
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  Speaker 1: more and more allegations were still coming to light. Though
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  Speaker 1: she worries it sounds horrible, Rhodes felt a bit of
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  Speaker 1: relief in that, okay, I'm not the only person. The
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  Speaker 1: unavoidable media coverage made her secrecy about what happened impossible
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  Speaker 1: to sustain while around her family, however. That must be difficult.
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  Speaker 1: You have all of this media attention blowing up on
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  Speaker 1: Epstein and all of these people who have been abused
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  Speaker 1: by him. And you have also been abused by him.
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  Speaker 1: But you don't want to come forward. You know, you're
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  Speaker 1: still repressing it. But finally, it gets to a point where,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you can't do that anymore. And courageously, Miss
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  Speaker 1: Rhodes came out and she told her family. It was
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  Speaker 1: on the news constantly, she recalls. My dad, he's passed
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  Speaker 1: since then, but he had Parkinson's and he had the
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  Speaker 1: news on all the time. It was the only thing
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  Speaker 1: he could do. There was this constant listening to this
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  Speaker 1: and that about him, about her, all the time. We
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  Speaker 1: were there for my mother's birthday. The whole family was there.
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  Speaker 1: At a certain point, I was like, I can't keep
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  Speaker 1: burying my head in the sand. I can't keep hearing
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  Speaker 1: all these things without dealing with it. It was literally
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  Speaker 1: starting to make me feel sick. Every single cell in
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  Speaker 1: my body was screaming, just face this. So that we
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  Speaker 1: can have some relief. And again, I can't imagine what
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  Speaker 1: it must be like to have this kind of secret
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  Speaker 1: where you can't even tell the people you love the most.
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  Speaker 1: The people you know will not judge you. The people
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  Speaker 1: that you know are there for you, but you can't
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  Speaker 1: tell them because you just can't find it within yourself
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  Speaker 1: to do so. When the Netflix documentary Jeffrey Epstein, Filthy
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  Speaker 1: Rich was released in May 2020, Rhodes decided to watch
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  Speaker 1: the first episode. Then I watched all of them. I
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  Speaker 1: read and watched everything that I could possibly get my
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  Speaker 1: hands on at that point. And then I had a
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  Speaker 1: huge cry. We had a family dinner. I put my
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  Speaker 1: daughter to sleep. I fell asleep with her. And then
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  Speaker 1: when I woke up, I saw my sister and my
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  Speaker 1: brother were still awake. And I told them. I told
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  Speaker 1: my husband two weeks after that. Now think about that.
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  Speaker 1: Think about your loved one, your husband, wife, whatever it is,
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  Speaker 1: whoever your person is. Imagine not being able to tell
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  Speaker 1: them such a secret like this. The shame. And you
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't have that shame, but it's just the way it works, right?
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  Speaker 1: You feel like you're less than. So you don't want
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  Speaker 1: to express your secrets to people. You don't want to
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  Speaker 1: talk about what happened. And then she finally tells her
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  Speaker 1: brother and sister, and it still takes two weeks after
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  Speaker 1: that to tell her husband. That just shows you the
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  Speaker 1: trauma right there alone. What led her to go public
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  Speaker 1: was an email from Kathy Haywood, the series producer of
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  Speaker 1: Channel 4's Ghislaine Maxwell, Making of a Monster. It felt different.
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  Speaker 1: It felt like it wasn't pushing, pushing, pushing. She also
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  Speaker 1: wanted to explain how it was because of Ghislaine Maxwell
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  Speaker 1: that I was abused by Jeffrey. This person is a sociopath,
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  Speaker 1: a narcissist, she says of Maxwell. I don't think she
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  Speaker 1: even recognizes the fact that she's the cause of all
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  Speaker 1: these victims, these people that have gone through these horrible,
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  Speaker 1: horrible things in their lives. Yeah, it's because of him, 100%,
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  Speaker 1: but it's also because of her. I don't see any
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  Speaker 1: kind of remorse that she played any part in it.
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  Speaker 1: That's insane. That is 100% correct. No remorse. But what
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  Speaker 1: do you expect from a bipedal serpent? She might not
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  Speaker 1: even be a human being, right? I don't even know
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  Speaker 1: if she's human at this point. Now, I'm obviously just kidding.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not one of these people who believes in all
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  Speaker 1: that other, you know, lizard people and all the rest
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  Speaker 1: of it. But, I mean, how can you be a human,
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  Speaker 1: a real human, and conduct yourself the way Maxwell did?
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  Speaker 1: Living in Italy with her husband's family for now, Rose
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  Speaker 1: is continuing to sing and write music, but she is
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  Speaker 1: also teaching music classes. Well, I'll tell you what, pretty
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  Speaker 1: sure nobody's going to F with her if her family's
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  Speaker 1: in Italy. Pretty sure her husband, if he grew up
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  Speaker 1: in Italy, might know a crooked nose or two that
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  Speaker 1: would make sure no BS would happen. It's more about
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: using the strength of one's voice. I started with a
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  Speaker 1: woman's group, and it's evolved now into kindergartners and first graders,
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  Speaker 1: she explains. It's about being strong in yourself. And if
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  Speaker 1: you don't like something that's happening, if your friend is
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  Speaker 1: being mean, stick up for yourself. Little things like that. Look,
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  Speaker 1: don't back down, folks. Do not back down. Don't back
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  Speaker 1: down to bullies. Don't back down to big mouths. Don't
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  Speaker 1: give ground. Stand up for yourself. It's very important to
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  Speaker 1: do that. I developed this mantra from thinking about what
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  Speaker 1: I would have liked to hear in my own head
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  Speaker 1: as I was going through this experience with these people,
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  Speaker 1: Epstein and Maxwell. We say it three times. We begin
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  Speaker 1: class with it. We end class with it. I'm good enough.
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  Speaker 1: I'm worthy. I'm confident. And I love myself. Hey, you
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: know what? There's nothing wrong with some self-affirmation. Hopping in
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  Speaker 1: the mirror and letting yourself know what the deal is.
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  Speaker 1: Look at Alexander Volkanovsky, champ for the UFC. He was
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  Speaker 1: giving himself self-affirmation while he was in the ring a
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  Speaker 1: few seconds before he was getting ready to fight. I'm
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  Speaker 1: the greatest. I'm the best. I'm the champ. That shit works.
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  Speaker 1: Psyching yourself out works. I know it sounds like it doesn't,
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  Speaker 1: but it does. So there's nothing wrong with, you know,
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  Speaker 1: giving yourself a little bit of love, folks. Try it out.
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  Speaker 1: Because we sure can be hard on ourselves, can't we? So,
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  Speaker 1: every now and then, we have to do the reverse
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  Speaker 1: and give ourselves a little bit of a pat on
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  Speaker 1: the back. And self-affirmation certainly is a good way to
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  Speaker 1: get there. Now, for the story, it's brave that Miss
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  Speaker 1: Rhodes finally came out and she felt comfortable talking about
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  Speaker 1: what happened. And I've said it before and I'll say
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  Speaker 1: it again. We're going to see plenty more people like
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  Speaker 1: Miss Rhodes come out in the future. Because, folks... What
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  Speaker 1: happened here didn't happen in just a 10-year period. It
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  Speaker 1: didn't just happen in one place. It happened for decades,
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  Speaker 1: and it spanned continents. So all of the other people
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  Speaker 1: who were involved, I'd be sleeping with one eye open
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  Speaker 1: because this is far from over. All right, folks, that
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  Speaker 1: is going to do it. If you'd like to contact me,
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