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"It's magic, it really is, and it's never changed": Matt Scott of Dave's World · The Ric and Dan Show

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  (Transcribed by TurboScribe. Go Unlimited to remove this message.) He's Rick Tyler and he's Dan Cashman and I'm Matt Scott from Days World and I'm on the Rick
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  and Dan show.
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  In Maine, we often hear, you can't get there from here.
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  These are the stories of the risk takers, the trailblazers, those who turn obstacles
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  into opportunities every day and found their way to get there from here.
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  And today they're on the Rick and Dan show.
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  Our selection is limited.
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  We have Bud Light, Miller Light, and one tubular.
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  The tubular will grease the wheels.
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  Would you be available to bring one of the tubular beers into the podcast studio for
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  Matt Scott, please?
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  Question mark.
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  And a Miller Light from the basement for Dan, please.
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  Did you hear when I came in, Paul goes, Matt, do you want me to get you a beer?
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  Because the only way that I could do commercials back in the day was if they got me drunk.
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  It's the only way I could do it.
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  So I was stumbling and stumbling and stumbling and Bob was like, wait a minute, he's way
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  better at this with alcohol.
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  So we ran across the store and got a six pack and I pounded two beers and I came back and
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  nailed it.
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  So every time that Paul would come, they would bring a six pack.
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  So I love it.
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  Yeah.
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  So I was able to do.
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  Do we want this whole beer thing on this podcast?
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  It's not like Rogan where we're eating mushrooms and smoking doobies and stuff, right?
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  Do they do mushrooms and doobies on Joe?
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  Well, they got, they did in the, when he would get together with all the boys, um, his friends.
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  Yes.
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  Was it a sponsor kind of a thing?
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  No, they just were, they just, it leaked out that they had just ate a bag of mushrooms and
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  then, and then they got, they got on a little bit for it.
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  We're only allowed to use the sponsored mushrooms.
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  Got it.
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  Right.
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  What is a brand of mushrooms anyway?
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  Um, Shroomsastic.
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  I just made that up.
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  Um, no idea.
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  You'd have to ask someone in Colorado.
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  Because shiitake.
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  That's a mushroom, isn't it?
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  Well, maybe that's a new sponsorship avenue for the Rick and Dan show.
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  We can get some shrooms companies.
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  Shroom companies.
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  I got to get some paper now cause I get a markdown every time someone cusses cause I've
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  got to bleep it out.
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  Oh really?
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  Oh.
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  Stop, stop.
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  See?
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  Now I got to go back again.
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  Oh my word.
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  Can you, can you bleep it out?
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  Yeah.
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  That's what I have to do.
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  But I got to do it all manually.
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  Why do we have to?
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  This is not governed by FCC broadcast rules.
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  Because you have to mark if it's explicit.
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  So make it explicit.
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  Oh yeah.
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  Make it explicit.
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  Make this one our first blue episode.
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  Oh yeah.
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  Do you want it?
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  Matt Scott goes blue.
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  No, no, no.
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  Don't you mean gone?
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  I'm not red or blue.
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  Blue comedy.
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  Okay.
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  Yeah.
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  I thought you were like calling me a dork rat or something.
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  No.
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  No, no.
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  It's the blue comedy, which means you're a little bit, uh, like the second show is blue.
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  Second show blue.
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  Don't bring the kids.
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  Yeah.
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  The waiters and the waitresses.
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  They make the real magic.
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  Side quest.
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  I'm not a Republican or a Democrat.
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  All right.
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  Oh look, here's the most important.
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  Hey!
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  It's tubular.
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  Some people have poly girls.
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  We have Paul.
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  Paul back in the day was like, Hey Matt, do you need a beer to talk?
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  I'm like, I grew up a little bit.
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  I can do it without alcohol now, but this helps.
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  Cheers.
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  Cheers to you.
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  By the way, open one for yourself.
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  Yes.
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  Welcome.
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  Oh, cheers everybody.
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  And when you cheers, you have to make eye contact.
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  Oh, do you?
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  Yeah.
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  Okay.
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  You know, Alex Graber's here.
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  We were drinking just plain water.
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  This is much different.
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  No, the light's not far off.
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  Did I just pop the cherry on drinking on these podcasts?
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  Yeah, I think so.
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  Am I allowed to even say that Rick?
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  Yeah.
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  Second, I'm just marking down.
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  It's a podcast.
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  You can say whatever you want.
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  I don't know why.
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  I mean, Mr. Straight Lace over here beside me has to bleep things out.
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  How many times have you been to see the band Fish?
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  Just under 200 times.
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  God.
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  I wish.
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  So there's this thing called the Fish Fantasy Tour where you can go in and actually like
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  follow it back.
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  I'm too busy going to the shows.
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  It's just right around there.
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  I've been to 70 in the last three years.
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  Wow.
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  Because I had kids in between that beginning part of it.
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  And then I'm going to jump right to the question because I don't think I've ever asked you this.
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  Do your kids have an affinity for the band Fish as much as you have an affinity for the
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  band Fish?
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  No, that's impossible.
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  But I do have a funny story about them and Fish though, because I'll answer it this way.
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  Their first concert was Fish in Mexico in 2018.
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  How old were they?
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  Gracie was 11 and Laney was nine.
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  That was their first show, like concert ever.
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  And then their second one was Tab, which is straight Anastasio band.
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  Then their third one was Fish and then their fourth one is Taylor Swift.
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  Yeah.
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  Wow.
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  Yeah.
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  That seems like a.
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  Makes sense, right?
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  Yeah.
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  It seems like a good trifecta.
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  It does to the person not paying for the tickets.
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  They were 11 and nine when they got to go to their first Fish or Fish-like concert.
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  How old were you when you went?
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  17.
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  The great one up there.
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  I'm boring.
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  Yeah.
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  I would say limestone.
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  No, no.
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  Limestone.
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  I was 17.
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  Calm down.
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  The statute of limitations is way up right now.
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  How much of that show do you remember?
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  Quite a bit of it.
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  It changed my life.
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  Literally just changed my life.
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  How so?
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  Real quickly, the kids.
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  I want to finish that one real quick because the great one is a long story.
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  But Gracie, I remember we started her skiing, both kids when they were really little.
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  And I remember always going to Sugarloaf back and forth in the car.
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  And all we listened to was Fish.
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  My wife and I.
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  My wife came at the time.
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  And that's all they knew.
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  The kids.
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  That's all they knew.
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  I was stuck in a, I wouldn't say a Fish loop.
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  It was more like go today's world, work all day, kids.
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  And like it was simple for me.
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  It was easy like because Fish has never played the same song twice, right?
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  So you can listen to like Bathtub Gin from 1994 and it's been different 2000 times since.
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  So you can just play with it.
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  You know, it's easy.
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  Just turn on livefish.com, you know, or the app.
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  But so the kids were just, that's all they listened to.
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  And I remember turning the truck on one day and Gracie Mae in the back and her sister.
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  I think Gracie was like maybe five and Lainey was three and the radio came on instead of
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  that.
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  Just my regular, you know, recorded or downloaded music.
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  And she was like, dad, what is that?
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  And I was like, what is what?
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  And she's like, what is that?
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  Like, what's that noise?
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  And I was like, music.
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  And she was like, Fish?
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  And I was like, no, no music.
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  Like she's like Fish.
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  And I'm like, like how do you tell a five year old that there's other things out there,
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  you know?
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  And then I remember my wife and I joking like maybe we should listen to like, I don't know,
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  the Rick Tyler show or something.
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  No, I'm just kidding.
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  Oh no, don't do that.
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  Because now anything other than she didn't know what radio was.
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  That's fascinating.
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  I remember with my kids, I had like a curated playlist because I didn't want to have my mornings
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  be wheels on the bus and things like that.
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  So I put together things like Stevie Wonder, Hugh Wheeler was in the news, family friendly
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  stuff that had like good horn lines, good.
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  Why don't we do it in the road Beatles?
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  No, I didn't have that one on there, but it would have been a good option.
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  But, um, but I was so proud one day on the radio, something came on.
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  It was a song.
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  I, it was a Miley Cyrus song.
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  And my daughter was young enough that she started crying and I was like, oh, is it the
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  music?
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  And I flipped on Stevie Wonder and she stopped and I was like, yes, I've done something right.
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  At least one thing.
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  I think it's great that you brought them up on fish.
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  Yeah.
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  Um, I, and yeah.
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  And then they went to the sphere with me, which blew our minds.
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  Wow.
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  Yeah.
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  That was like over the top.
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  That was their fifth show that they'd ever been to.
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  They are going to put you in the nicest nursing home someday.
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  They're both going to be nurses.
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  So how old are they now?
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  Almost 20 and 18.
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  So they know like nurses is their career path.
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  Yeah.
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  Um, Laney's already accepted at UMO.
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  She's a senior this year.
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  Gracie ended up with a full boat.
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  Nice.
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  Yep.
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  Cause I told her that I wouldn't pay for anything.
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  Congratulations.
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  Yeah.
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  When she went from eighth grade into freshman year, I'm like, listen, kid, when you're eight,
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  when you're 18, I'm doing okay, but I'm not giving you like, you are going to have to work
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  your way through college.
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  You're going to have to pay for it.
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  They were right.
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  Rick's writing that.
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  Stop.
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  Stop.
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  You see, you just said it again.
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  Shucks.
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  Shuckity shucks.
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  Um, I want the record to show for my parents that I have not yet cussed.
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  Yes.
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  Yes.
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  I know.
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  I'm like, ever.
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  Well, now that I look, I don't know now that I'm not a business owner, I guess, or I kind
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  of live a little bit more freely and I'm a little less careful, I guess, of what people
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  see here or think, but that's a whole other, that's a whole other subject there.
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  But, um, that's the next time you're in our studio, but the full boat, she got the full
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  boat.
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  Yeah.
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  So I told her between eight and I said, look, I'm not, you have to claw and scratch away
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  to the top.
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  Um, I was like, if, if I help you, I think it'll disable you and you're going to have
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  to do it the way that I did it, which was just grit and passion and, you know, a burning
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  desire, as I would say, Napoleon Hill would say, you know, cause that was the first book
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  I ever really read was thinking, grow rich, um, which is a whole other conversation, right?
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  But so I told Gracie, look, you're on your own kid.
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  Like I'll be your safety net, which fish calls the unbreakable net.
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  Um, but you know, I'll be your safety net, but you're going to have to struggle.
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  How did she take that?
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  You had that conversation?
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  She basically was like, yeah, uh, yeah.
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  How did she take that?
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  Between eighth grade and freshman year with both of them, actually, Laney's, they were
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  their best friends.
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  So they're like always together.
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  And I made sure that they, when we put on an addition on the house, that their rooms
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  are connected and they may, I made them share a room for their first eight years or so of
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  their life.
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  So they were really close.
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  But I told Gracie, like, you're on your own.
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  And she basically was like, hold my beer and went in and took every heart, the hardest
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  class you signed up for every single extracurricular, you know, she did sports.
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  She did all of it.
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  Glee club and just all the clubs and Kiwanis and just did all of it.
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  And I think you can apply for, I think, 24 scholarships, um, or something like that.
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  And from Dexter and she got 22, I think, 24.
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  So when they brought her up, so we have no idea, but this little scrapper, she went and
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  visited all these colleges on her own without her mother, I even knowing she toured them
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  by herself.
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  Right.
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  She didn't tell me anything.
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  And then she applied for all these scholarships while her mother or I knowing, and then she
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  goes out and I, so she's graduating high school.
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  I know she's going to UMO.
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  She was accepted.
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  I have, and that's about all the information that she really gives me because she's so
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  independent.
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  And I remember being in Dexter regional high schools, Pitt, and it's old, it's old language.
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  It's all right.
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  The gym.
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  Want me to bleep that out too?
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  Sorry, Steve Bell.
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  So I, yeah, he's, he works with the, he runs the waterfront concerts too, so I gotta be
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  careful here.
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  Um, he's the principal.
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  So when they called her up, it was like, Gracie's going to UMO for nursing and her following
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  scholarships are boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
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  And I was like, wow, everybody's like looking at each other, like what the hell?
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  I think she got paid $6,000 this last semester, like extra.
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  Which I didn't know what could happen.
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  Yeah.
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  Like what did she do with that money?
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  Did she use it for like housing or books or?
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  She bought weed with it.
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  Yeah.
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  No, I'm just kidding.
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  She's never, that's she's, you have to bleep that out.
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  Oh my, no, no.
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  Okay.
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  For some reason that's fine.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  For some reason that's okay.
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  No, she, um, no, she started, uh, no, she, she brought her, she got an apartment.
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  She wanted to get out of the dorms with it.
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  And the reason I can joke about that, cause we've talked about everything.
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  She's like my little best friend and we've had a conversation about all the things that
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  parents are afraid of or whatever, but we just hit them head on.
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  How old was she when you had that conversation?
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  All the things that parents are afraid of.
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  She would have been between 13 and 14.
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  So it was part of the conversation.
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  Well, no.
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  Okay.
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  That, that happened after I found out she had a boyfriend that like stole a car and
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  broke into our house.
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  Oh yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  That's when that happened.
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  Yeah.
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  Um, other than that, she's been a perfect kid other than letting this kid steal a car when
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  he was 15 and drive it to the house.
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  That's when the real conversation started.
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  Okay.
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  Let him steal a car.
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  Yeah.
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  I'm taking notes cause my kids are a little bit younger than that.
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  Yeah.
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  So I'm taking notes because I never got this conversation from my parents.
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  And after we're done, I'd like you to give me the conversation.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  61.
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  But I think I could still learn something.
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  Oh yeah.
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  Oh, this taught me a lot.
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  This one I actually was, um, I got the information about what had happened and I was walking into
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  the millows and I had my Southern teams down there, Wyndham and Skybro teams that were
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  gathering on the boat to just have a get together.
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  And did you have fish?
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  I was going to laugh with me.
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  I mean, you're kidding me.
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  I'm bleeping.
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  I'm bleeping that out.
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  I'm supposed to be a team.
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  He's bleeping it out.
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  15, 13.30.
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  What's the over under on this?
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  So like I had just found out what would happen and she called me up and she was like, Hey,
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  this is like, she's like that.
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  I did something bad.
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  Right.
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  And I'm like, what is it?
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  She's never said this to me before.
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  So I was kind of thrown off.
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  So she kind of told me what happened.
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  And I literally remember walking onto the millows and my whole team's there.
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  And I was like, everyone, I got to leave.
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  And they're like, what?
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  And I'm like, yeah, my daughter's boyfriend just stole a car and got caught trying to meet
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  up with her.
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  And it was really crazy.
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  Just when I thought that you couldn't have any more evidence of your success as a parent.
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  The fact that your kid did something quote unquote bad, okay.
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  Some kids then would run from their parents, but instead ran to you.
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  Yeah.
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  She called me up and said, I need to talk to you.
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  I did something bad.
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  And this is what's weird about her is that she's never done anything like bad.
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  She wasn't a kid that cried or argued or got grounded or neither one of them were.
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  We still kind of wonder how that happened.
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  I have to do like a DNA, like a trace back because I was, I was a little bit, I got
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  a swab test here.
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  Yeah.
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  We're going to have to do some kind of test there.
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  So going back to ask you about your first fish, went Lori Air Force Base.
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  Yeah.
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  I was 17.
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  And how much of it do you remember?
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  Quite a bit of it.
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  Yeah.
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  It's quite a story actually, because it actually developed everything after that show literally
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  set my path.
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  Like I was completely reset at that show.
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  Um, it had something to do with, you know, some, I don't know, a bag of mushrooms, let's
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  just say it.
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  I don't know.
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  Okay.
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  I'm pretty honest now these days.
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  Uh, or I've always been honest, but I've always kept out information that I maybe would have
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  or could have hurt maybe the image of a company.
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  But now I I'm just me, right?
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  And this is what happened.
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  I started working when I was 10 at a farm and then I was hired at grants appliance at
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  14.
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  So that's three years before I actually went to the first fish show.
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  So I had been working every summer and then I was doing service calls.
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  And when I got my license at 16, I was able to do service calls and fix refrigerators.
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  And you know, I was making pretty, I was making $25 a service call, which was crazy
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  back then.
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  Hmm.
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  And I remember I bought an, um, a Dodge Daytona 500, I know it wasn't a 500, that's the race,
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  a Dodge Daytona.
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  No, it wasn't the Dodge Daytona with the little flip up lights, the nice little red sports
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  car that I thought it was going to be cool, but I thought that maybe it'd make me cooler.
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  So I bought a car and then I asked my parents, I was like, look, can I go up north and see
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  some live music and go camping with my friends?
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  And they're like, tell me more.
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  I was like, no, you're just supposed to say yes.
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  It's where I'm going north.
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  I mean, what can happen up north?
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  Like if I was like, Hey, I'm going to Boston and my friends, I thought I would've got some
• 14:16
  resistance, but no, it was like more questions came because I was 17 and I was like, okay,
• 14:21
  there's this band coming and they're fish and you know, you can camp there and you can
• 14:26
  hang out with your friends and you can watch live music.
• 14:27
  And they're like, no, that's a drug band.
• 14:29
  They're like Grateful Dead.
• 14:30
  No.
• 14:31
  Well, did they have that answer locked and loaded or they had to go do some research?
• 14:34
  No, I think that they just knew, like, I mean, I was a hardworking kid with good grades,
• 14:38
  but I also was like, let's go jump the dirt bike over two cars.
• 14:42
  And you know, I was a little bit on the wild side with me and my friends.
• 14:46
  So they were cautiously like, what are you doing?
• 14:48
  Did you ask close to the concert date after it had made all the news that fish was coming
• 14:53
  to do this big weekend party?
• 14:55
  Or did you ask?
• 14:56
  I know that's a really good question, but I, all I know is what happened.
• 14:59
  It was a no.
• 15:01
  I mean, I don't know why it was.
• 15:02
  I mean, with Gracie and Lainey, I probably would just say, go have fun because I think
• 15:06
  this is where I learned to, I think this is why they're good kids.
• 15:09
  I gave them a ton of room.
• 15:11
  I gave them a ton of room to make mistakes or to kind of figure it out on their own with
• 15:17
  me just making sure that they're safe, but also just not a helicopter parent.
• 15:22
  Right.
• 15:22
  And I think that's, it's kind of like the parent that cleans their house so well that
• 15:25
  their kid's always sick because they go out, you know what I mean?
• 15:28
  It's like, so I'm like rubbed dirt in it.
• 15:30
  Like when they get a cut kind of dad, you know, throw some dirt on it, walk it off.
• 15:33
  Yeah.
• 15:33
  So, and that's how I was brought up.
• 15:35
  So my parents gave me a lot of room.
• 15:38
  We grew up what we call middle of nowhere.
• 15:40
  It's Dexter, but it's on, you know, out of town and it's connected to my two, three
• 15:43
  other friends and it's two or three miles to the woods and through fields.
• 15:46
  And we'd ride our bikes.
• 15:47
  We had a beaten path through the woods.
• 15:48
  It was just one of those classic, you know, country kid type lifestyles.
• 15:52
  And, and I thought for sure my mom was just going to be like, yeah, go for it.
• 15:55
  Um, but I'm also like, I'm not real good with rules and boundaries.
• 15:58
  I think that's why I was a business owner.
• 16:00
  And I actually, I do know that's why I was a business owner.
• 16:02
  Um, and that's what I found out on this trip, literally.
• 16:06
  So, so yeah, yeah.
• 16:08
  So I, um, so they said no, but I remember it was like 20 or 25 cars all met up at
• 16:13
  Dexter variety and we all chained it up to the interstate.
• 16:16
  And because we knew how many people were coming, which was estimated between 70
• 16:20
  and a hundred thousand people on interstate 95 in Maine, we're like, this
• 16:24
  is going to be a disaster, right?
• 16:27
  There was 65 miles of backed up cars at that point.
• 16:31
  But we jumped ahead of it.
• 16:33
  I was like literally four blocks from the entrance to the show.
• 16:37
  But keep in mind, I have no idea.
• 16:38
  I didn't grow up listening to Grateful Dead.
• 16:40
  I wasn't into jam bands.
• 16:42
  Yeah.
• 16:42
  I just was like, wow, what is this frequency?
• 16:45
  Because they do play at a weird frequency.
• 16:47
  Fish does a good job of like, do you like me?
• 16:49
  Are you, do you hate me?
• 16:50
  Like there's no, there's not a whole lot in between.
• 16:52
  It's either you like scallops or you don't, you know, or you like seafood or you
• 16:56
  don't.
• 16:57
  And they did this on purpose with a certain frequency that they play with, which I
• 17:00
  didn't understand at the time, but, and everybody puts out their own, you know,
• 17:03
  with their own amplifier and their own PA system.
• 17:05
  And they can, they can put a vibration out that it'll either, and they didn't want
• 17:09
  to be big and famous and rich.
• 17:11
  They didn't give a about that.
• 17:13
  They, they love playing music together as friends.
• 17:15
  I know a lot more because I, now I'm in communication with them.
• 17:18
  You're in communication with fish.
• 17:20
  Yeah.
• 17:20
  That's going to be, I got to sort through some of the stuff that I can talk about
• 17:24
  and I can't talk about, um, as we fly here.
• 17:27
  Um, I'm usually pretty good at it on the fly, but I didn't mean to interrupt, but I
• 17:30
  just know that, yeah, that's an interesting nugget.
• 17:33
  We had talked about that.
• 17:34
  A lot has changed.
• 17:35
  I was going to say before we started, you know, don't say anything or don't tell us
• 17:39
  anything that you can't talk about, but just tell us what you can.
• 17:42
  I actually talked, I actually talked to a member on my way, uh, right before here.
• 17:47
  And I said, you know, give me some boundaries.
• 17:49
  He's like, you know, I'm like, okay, no, but this NDAs and stuff, you know, so on
• 17:54
  top of it, but yeah, this is a, this, this could be a three, this could be a nine
• 17:58
  hour podcast, you know, um, just about just that band itself.
• 18:02
  And also like, my name is MS six at, if we go to like, I'm the sixth member of the
• 18:08
  band, um, which I, which any band has to have the fifth member of CK five.
• 18:13
  So he's the lights guy.
• 18:14
  He's the guy that's been doing the improvisation on lights from the beginning.
• 18:19
  Um, so I, I always said that you can't have a band without a listener.
• 18:22
  Right.
• 18:22
  And I don't, I think music is magic.
• 18:25
  I'm starting to learn the guitar now, which is very difficult, especially with
• 18:28
  somebody like me that has to be going on, but it actually took my ADHD and it calmed
• 18:31
  it down.
• 18:32
  So I think I'm in a, I'm in a good zone here, but set the frequency.
• 18:36
  I don't know what it is.
• 18:37
  I think it's just like the absolute love and passion for improv.
• 18:40
  I think that making up live music in real time, that vulnerable, that's scary.
• 18:46
  And never repeating a song, the same song twice.
• 18:49
  And that one that they can't even duplicate.
• 18:50
  I think that's absolute magic.
• 18:52
  You know, it's like theater too.
• 18:54
  Like you go to theater and they, you've got one shot.
• 18:56
  There's no cuts and edits and all that stuff.
• 18:57
  That's like, that's real.
• 19:00
  It's okay.
• 19:00
  Don't worry about it.
• 19:01
  21.51.
• 19:03
  Matt said twice.
• 19:06
  Um, so the, so they basically, my parents said no.
• 19:09
  And I said, I'm going anyway, we get up to a Lauren air force base and this is
• 19:13
  going to kind of go against what I, I don't, it's not a drug band.
• 19:16
  It's, it's, you know, a lot of, and every single concert I've ever been to, there's
• 19:21
  weed being smoked in the, in the, you know what I mean?
• 19:23
  It's not, I think music gets, it's, is a gateway to could be anything.
• 19:28
  It could be a gateway to religion.
• 19:30
  It could be a gateway to your own self self awareness.
• 19:33
  It could be a awareness.
• 19:35
  It could be a gateway to doing cocaine.
• 19:36
  I don't know.
• 19:37
  Like a lot, a lot of people like experience what they experienced, but it's all about
• 19:41
  like your individual quest of like what you're looking for.
• 19:44
  And back then I was just like a wide open mind that it was just, I was a sponge that
• 19:48
  was just so hungry for experience, you know?
• 19:51
  And we were the wild kids that were out there on dirt bikes, like I said, and
• 19:54
  mountain bikes and just building tree houses and cabins and forts in the woods,
• 19:58
  you know, all that stuff.
• 19:58
  So we were just free kids really out in the country.
• 20:01
  And I didn't see anything different with this until I actually got there and I was
• 20:04
  like, wow, wow.
• 20:07
  Like I was like, not prepared.
• 20:09
  I'm 17 years old.
• 20:10
  I get a car, I've got a backpack with a couple, you know, a couple of t-shirts,
• 20:13
  maybe a change of underwear and you know, some Birkenstocks.
• 20:17
  And I remember I was maybe some sneakers and, and I just couldn't believe it.
• 20:20
  They, but back then we fish didn't have their stuff together.
• 20:23
  It seems like I just saved you some time there.
• 20:26
  They weren't, they didn't, they even at that time they were in their young
• 20:30
  twenties, so 24, 25, 26, 27, right in there.
• 20:33
  And like, I think Trey was 26.
• 20:35
  So this is their what second, third festival, second, Clifford, Clifford,
• 20:42
  when Clifford ball, then I think the great one.
• 20:45
  Yeah.
• 20:46
  So this is their second, yeah, 96, 97.
• 20:49
  This is 97.
• 20:49
  So their first one was 96, which is the 30th anniversary of the Clifford
• 20:54
  balls this year, which we can get to.
• 20:55
  I'm covering it.
• 20:56
  I'm duplicating it.
• 20:58
  Yeah.
• 20:58
  30,000 people.
• 20:59
  So I get, I get there and there's no vending.
• 21:02
  I have no, I'm not prepared.
• 21:03
  I don't have a girl with me.
• 21:04
  I don't have, I have a sleeping bag, a tent and a duffel bag.
• 21:07
  Your parents said no.
• 21:08
  Did they know that you went or was this?
• 21:10
  Well, no, they didn't know.
• 21:12
  I said I was going to Meg's house or Jeff's house or something like that.
• 21:14
  I lied to him straight up, lied like to their face.
• 21:18
  Yeah.
• 21:18
  Wow.
• 21:19
  I own that.
• 21:21
  Don't worry about it.
• 21:22
  No, don't worry about it.
• 21:23
  Don't worry about it.
• 21:24
  You know, when this episode comes out, it's just going to be one big, long tone.
• 21:31
  You let me know what the frequency should be.
• 21:33
  And I'll set it.
• 21:34
  You know how I got busted?
• 21:35
  How?
• 21:36
  Because I was, I literally was close enough to the gates.
• 21:39
  So when the gates opened up, everyone runs to get to the rail because everyone wants to be
• 21:43
  up front.
• 21:44
  I call them, we call them rail lizards.
• 21:46
  Now I could care less to be that close.
• 21:48
  I want to be actually back where the sound check is for the perfect sound.
• 21:52
  And I want to see CK5 rocked lights improbably.
• 21:55
  Now is that a word?
• 21:57
  It is now.
• 21:57
  It is now.
• 21:58
  We're going with it.
• 21:58
  So, cause I'd like to watch the six members of the band.
• 22:02
  Cause they groove.
• 22:03
  Everyone grew like, this is what's great about a fish show.
• 22:05
  Everyone is quiet most of the time, unless you're a rookie.
• 22:07
  But if you are like most of us now have good jobs, we're in our forties, forties or fifties,
• 22:12
  we can afford to go wherever they go.
• 22:15
  And we are so respectful and we're there.
• 22:17
  I mean, tickets now are big bucks for fish.
• 22:19
  I mean, they get, so this is part of the quest is that fish sells their tickets very cheap.
• 22:23
  And then people buy them and then sell them for like thousands.
• 22:25
  Yeah.
• 22:25
  And I'm the that buys them for that because I am too busy to try to get in the lottery.
• 22:30
  And I'm trying to busy to try to get in that 32nd window of sold out.
• 22:34
  You know what I mean?
• 22:35
  So I'm always buying StubHub third-party making the problem worse.
• 22:38
  Actually, most of my tickets are five, six, seven, $800 a night, you know, and I'll buy
• 22:42
  four or five men in a row.
• 22:43
  Right.
• 22:43
  You know, cause I don't want to miss one.
• 22:45
  Yeah.
• 22:45
  So every time I go to a long fish show, we're talking five grand at least.
• 22:49
  So that's the kind of crowd that you have there.
• 22:51
  So we're very, we're there to hear the music and see the art.
• 22:53
  And so there's no talking.
• 22:55
  And if there is, it's like next to your buddy in the ear.
• 22:58
  So you can't hear.
• 22:59
  It's not like the, sorry if this offends anybody, but you go to the Bangor waterfront,
• 23:03
  there's a country concert.
• 23:04
  It's just a lot of alcohol, a lot of loud people, a lot of people talking.
• 23:08
  It's just, I can't handle it.
• 23:09
  I need, I need to be part of it.
• 23:11
  You need to focus in.
• 23:12
  I need to focus in on it.
• 23:13
  And that's really what a hardcore fish fan is, which they've developed.
• 23:16
  That's a bunch of us together when they're, we're waiting for these moments that you just
• 23:22
  never are ready for that.
• 23:23
  They're not even ready for it, which they've explained to me, you know, they're like,
• 23:26
  they're part of it too.
• 23:27
  They're witnessing what they're doing at in real time.
• 23:30
  How do they keep making it happen?
• 23:32
  That is a, I'll get to that.
• 23:34
  Okay.
• 23:34
  Cause that's a big one.
• 23:35
  That's a, that's a long answer.
• 23:37
  Um, but, but this particular concert, I ran up to get in front and then on the Bangor daily,
• 23:42
  here I am, arms out, you know, the white Hanes t-shirt on, I stuck out like a sore thumb and I
• 23:51
  got home.
• 23:54
  Wow.
• 23:55
  Yeah.
• 23:55
  And my sister told on me that I eat mushrooms and yeah, but that.
• 23:59
  How did your sister know you ate mushrooms?
• 24:01
  That's Dexter high school.
• 24:02
  I graduated in a 90 people, you know, you know, so yeah, it leaked out pretty quick.
• 24:07
  Had that conversation.
• 24:07
  And not only that, but I grew a beard and, you know, overnight and, and completely changed.
• 24:12
  No, just kidding.
• 24:15
  Yeah, no, but it did change me forever.
• 24:18
  I mean, it really did.
• 24:18
  I mean, like they talk about that kind of substance being used for like vets and stuff
• 24:23
  that are completely traumatized and they can change overnight.
• 24:26
  It's true.
• 24:27
  And I don't think it's in a bad way.
• 24:28
  I think it creates such a pivotal thing.
• 24:30
  You know, it really opens your eyes up to what's beyond your ego or you, or even where we are
• 24:35
  in space.
• 24:36
  You know, it really expands your brain.
• 24:38
  And especially when you're 17, like my brain was just like, what is this?
• 24:42
  And, and it just showed me, I remember the song, it was run like an antelope came on
• 24:47
  and it's just starts off like run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run,
• 24:51
  run, run, run.
• 24:52
  You know?
• 24:52
  And it just goes like that.
• 24:53
  And then it's like, run like an antelope out of control.
• 24:55
  And I was like, wow.
• 24:57
  And I separated myself from my pack and I went up and I just sat against the fence.
• 25:01
  And I was just like in awe of, I was having this experience.
• 25:04
  I mean, I hate the whole thing.
• 25:06
  You're not supposed to do that.
• 25:07
  I didn't know that.
• 25:08
  You know, I'm a kid from Dexter and I was just like sitting on the sidelines with these
• 25:11
  lights and these lyrics and these people.
• 25:13
  And I was just like, this is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life.
• 25:16
  And that run, run, run was like run from society, run from the man, do not work for somebody
• 25:21
  else.
• 25:21
  Like be free.
• 25:22
  Don't be indoctrinated by a school.
• 25:24
  Like that's all the things that were rushing in from me, from, I guess, my higher self,
• 25:28
  what I call it now.
• 25:29
  Did you carry that moment when you went back home and you found your photo circled in front
• 25:34
  of the PDM?
• 25:35
  I didn't care because I knew what I was going to do.
• 25:37
  I was going to buy that company I was working for.
• 25:38
  I was going to change it to Scott's Appliance and I was going to be a free man.
• 25:42
  You know, I didn't want a boss.
• 25:43
  I didn't want, it just highlighted indoctrination.
• 25:46
  Like I looked at the most beautiful people I've ever seen.
• 25:49
  You've got doctors, you've got lawyers, you've got brain surgeons.
• 25:51
  I know this because on my way to fish Mexico this last year, I'm sitting next to a heart
• 25:55
  surgeon and a brain surgeon and I'm in the middle and they're married and I'm like, are
• 25:59
  you guys fighting or something?
• 26:00
  Like, why am I there?
• 26:00
  I found out that they're married and they're like, no, we're just like, we're having a hard
• 26:03
  time flying to fish because it's the only place that we can actually let go of how many people
• 26:08
  are going to die when we're not at work.
• 26:09
  What?
• 26:10
  They're a heart surgeon and a brain surgeon.
• 26:12
  They're married.
• 26:12
  And they're like, think about it.
• 26:14
  There's always somebody and they live in Boston.
• 26:17
  So they're at one of the best hospitals you could possibly get any kind of like, like
• 26:23
  say I slipped out here because Rick didn't saw, you know, the steps, which I know he's
• 26:27
  not very good at.
• 26:28
  Not very good at.
• 26:28
  There's no, there's no, that, that, that, that walkway's fine.
• 26:31
  Yeah, well, we'll have to take a second look, but let's just say, for instance, I slip,
• 26:34
  I fall, I crack my head and I've got, I need brain surgery, which probably is the case anyway,
• 26:39
  but they would get me directly to this doctor and they'd be like, okay, you need to save
• 26:44
  his life.
• 26:45
  Well, sorry, he's out of fish.
• 26:46
  No, they don't tell them that they, but they, these surgeons that are saving lives, they
• 26:50
  don't have breaks.
• 26:51
  You know, I just talked to my accountant.
• 26:52
  He's like, I will be sleeping, eating and doing taxes until after the 15th.
• 26:58
  Well, when you're a brain surgeon or a heart surgeon, it's like, you could be at home sleeping
• 27:03
  while you're supposed to be doing something else.
• 27:04
  And then it's like, Hey, we've got this five-year-old that's coming in with, you know, they're going
• 27:08
  to do it.
• 27:09
  Right.
• 27:09
  So they really put it, this is just happened this year, going to Mexico.
• 27:12
  They really, really took when I was this escape from reality in order to reset, in order
• 27:18
  to go back to my professional job.
• 27:19
  That's what it was.
• 27:20
  It was recess.
• 27:21
  I called it recess or I called it never, never land.
• 27:23
  Did you share this with them?
• 27:25
  I mean, oh yeah, we, we became best friends.
• 27:27
  I mean, I, I have them in my phone now.
• 27:28
  This is what's else is cool.
• 27:29
  If you type fish in my phone, there'll be 200 people that pop up and it'll be like Christy
• 27:33
  bubbles, MSG floor, you know, or there's always like a little hint to whoever they are.
• 27:37
  But now we, I developed an app in the last week that yeah, it's going to connect everybody.
• 27:42
  Yeah.
• 27:42
  That's a whole, that's a whole other vein.
• 27:44
  We can smart.
• 27:45
  Yeah.
• 27:45
  I mean, it's so cool.
• 27:46
  And it's going to take a ticket master after you sell you a ticket for more than what it's
• 27:51
  worth is absolutely insane.
• 27:53
  It is.
• 27:53
  It's it's not, it shouldn't happen.
• 27:55
  We're going to take over ticket master and I hope they're listening and I'd stop hub.
• 27:58
  It's not going to happen anymore.
• 28:00
  If you buy a ticket for no matter what, and you try to upsell it and you have bots working
• 28:03
  for you, it's going to be in the fine print.
• 28:05
  If you do that and you sell that ticket to somebody else digitally, it's going to go
• 28:08
  into a pool called the miracle pool.
• 28:10
  And we're going to send teachers that can't afford it.
• 28:12
  We're going to send law enforcement.
• 28:14
  We're going to send, we're going to my mom of four that can't afford to go on these trips
• 28:17
  with air flight tickets.
• 28:19
  All of it's going to be miracled to them from people that are trying to steal.
• 28:22
  That is incredible.
• 28:22
  Yeah.
• 28:23
  And I'll, I mean, this is a big problem.
• 28:25
  You know, it's a big problem.
• 28:26
  Taylor Swift is, I guess the pinnacle of the big problem.
• 28:29
  Everybody.
• 28:30
  I tried to get tickets for my youngest daughter.
• 28:33
  She's a fan of a new artist named Freya Sky.
• 28:36
  Probably haven't heard of her.
• 28:37
  Most people haven't.
• 28:39
  She was in Zombies 4 on the Disney channel.
• 28:41
  Has a single out that is a catchy tune.
• 28:44
  She has her first EP out.
• 28:45
  I tried to get tickets for her on the pre-sale and then the on sale.
• 28:49
  A lot of work.
• 28:49
  I was in the queue an hour before they went on sale, completely sold out within seconds.
• 28:53
  Sure.
• 28:54
  And it was all bots.
• 28:55
  It's all bots.
• 28:55
  And so I was faced with, do I not take my daughter to this show, which ended up happening,
• 29:00
  or do I pay $700 a ticket for an artist that has one song on some radio stations?
• 29:05
  It's nuts.
• 29:05
  And it's just crazy.
• 29:06
  It's crazy.
• 29:07
  Sphere right now, Phish.
• 29:09
  Yeah.
• 29:09
  Those tickets, I went in the lottery.
• 29:10
  This is nuts.
• 29:11
  I went in for all of them, which would have been $5,800 for all of them.
• 29:16
  So they're playing all three weekends, three shows.
• 29:19
  So total of nine shows, but they're, I think they're going to nine shows.
• 29:25
  And, uh, and it would have been $5,800.
• 29:28
  Now it's $7,000 a night.
• 29:32
  So it's a problem.
• 29:33
  And if this is kind of galactic, and I have a tribe called the galactic tribe that we
• 29:39
  got together and I ended up being miracled into, I could just keep going.
• 29:43
  This is like the craziest that happened to me.
• 29:45
  Um, Phish, Mexico.
• 29:46
  I'm with the, I'm going to go back to the surgeons.
• 29:48
  Surgeons.
• 29:49
  Yeah.
• 29:49
  So they're telling me this, like it's the only place that I can disconnect myself from my reality
• 29:55
  that I live in.
• 29:56
  And if you're a professional, you both are.