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I Am All In…Again: The Bumps in Life (Season 2 E21 “Lorelai’s Graduation”) · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I Am all in Again.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, that's just you. I am all in again with
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  Speaker 2: Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am All in Again podcast, one
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  Speaker 1: of them productions. iHeartRadio Media, iHeart Podcasts. We are going
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  Speaker 1: to recap season two, episode twenty one, Lorealized graduation day
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  Speaker 1: with Shelley Cole. Hello, Shelley, how you doing? Thanks for
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  Speaker 1: coming back on.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I love this.
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  Speaker 1: You know everybody knows she is Madeline and Chilton student
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  Speaker 1: Paris Keller's minion. Shelley calls back to recap with Us
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  Speaker 1: season two episode twenty one. We had John recap season
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  Speaker 1: one episode eight earlier, but a lot has changed since then. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's get into this.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. I love coming on this show because I really
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  Speaker 2: I don't watch the episodes, and so when I do
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  Speaker 2: get an opportunity to come on the show, I'm like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna watch this episode. So I watched it last
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  Speaker 2: night and I took copious notes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, good, I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna do all the talking.
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  Speaker 1: You do all the talking. Synopsis. Lorealize graduating from community
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  Speaker 1: college and Rory convinces her to don the old kap
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  Speaker 1: and gown for the commencement ceremony. Meanwhile, Roy takes a
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  Speaker 1: spontaneous and curious trip to New York City to meet
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  Speaker 1: who who? Did she meet Jess? But on our way home,
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  Speaker 1: she runs some traffic and could delay her arrival at
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  Speaker 1: the big graduation event directed by Jamie Babbitt, written by
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Peladino. You know lrelized Crammin for that right heat
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  Speaker 1: her finals. She's got a final business school at the
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  Speaker 1: community college. Roy tries to Convincerr the diploma will be
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  Speaker 1: worth it. Rory wants to invite family and friends and
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  Speaker 1: the graduation ceremony because she's never walked in her high
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  Speaker 1: school ceremony, but Lorlai refuses and doesn't want her parents
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  Speaker 1: there because it'll just hurt them and me. Lorlai explains
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  Speaker 1: her reasoning for not wanting her parents to attend the
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  Speaker 1: ceremony because she feels like she's humulating them while in
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  Speaker 1: high school. Do you think, Shelley, the reason is good
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  Speaker 1: enough to not have them there this time?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so I really have some I have some thoughts
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  Speaker 2: on this. Okay, So what I wrote was I feel
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  Speaker 2: like she didn't want her parents there because it was
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  Speaker 2: I can't tell if she was disappointed in herself or
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  Speaker 2: if she felt like her parents were going to be
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  Speaker 2: disappointed in her. But this just kind of goes back
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  Speaker 2: to the age old riff that happens between the two
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  Speaker 2: of them. And I love that Rory went behind her
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  Speaker 2: mom's back and just was the peacemaker. I feel like
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  Speaker 2: that's what her role in the family is, at least
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  Speaker 2: during a lot of these beginning episodes, is she becomes
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  Speaker 2: a peacemaker and and and you know, to piggyback on that,
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  Speaker 2: her dad. When she graduates, her dad gives her this
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  Speaker 2: envelope of money and we presume it's money or it's
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  Speaker 2: a check, and like a dad does at the you know,
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  Speaker 2: graduation or college ceremony.
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  Speaker 1: And.
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  Speaker 2: She says to him, and I rarely hear her call
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  Speaker 2: him daddy, and she says to him, thank you, daddy.
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  Speaker 2: And I feel like he was so pleased with her
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  Speaker 2: reaction because the look on his face when he gave
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  Speaker 2: it to her, and when she says daddy, the look
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  Speaker 2: on his face like almost makes me we don't want
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  Speaker 2: to cry right now, because it was such a daddy
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  Speaker 2: moment and he was like he was so pleased that
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  Speaker 2: it was a really awesome connection between the two of them.
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  Speaker 2: I really liked that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's move on to Luke and laurel I.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, indeed that was awkward.
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  Speaker 1: I mean a little bit. Right, they're still not talking.
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  Speaker 1: She's got she had breakfast at Suki's the beginning of
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  Speaker 1: the episode instead of going to the diner. Right, she's
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  Speaker 1: avoiding him. They run into each other at Doses. I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: what is that the.
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  Speaker 2: Only time that you're in that episode?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't. I don't think I was in it
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  Speaker 1: other than that, I don't know. It was one of
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  Speaker 1: those great episodes where you show up for like one
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  Speaker 1: morning and then you get the rest of it. You
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  Speaker 1: got like ten days off. Yeah, beautiful thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I that was that. That whole interaction at Doses,
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  Speaker 2: like with both Rory and Dean, my god, and then
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  Speaker 2: with and and Luke. It was almost like the two
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  Speaker 2: of them, Lorelai and Ry were very much kind of
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  Speaker 2: cross like ships crossing in the night with their loves.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: It was so awkward for all, like for all four
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  Speaker 2: of those people. I thought that inane thing that they
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  Speaker 2: gave poor Jared to say to make Dean just look
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  Speaker 2: like I'm an idiot and I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: You know, what did he say? They made him sound stupid.
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  Speaker 2: I think like she asked a question and I don't
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  Speaker 2: remember specifically, but she asked a question and he just
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  Speaker 2: kind of some dumb reply that really didn't mean anything,
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  Speaker 2: and Roy was just didn't even really listen or respond.
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  Speaker 2: She's like, oh, yes, yes, yes.
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  Speaker 1: You think Deane's looking for a parachute at this point
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  Speaker 1: or she's just gonna jump out of the plane. He
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  Speaker 1: doesn't care without a parachute. It's like, just get me
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  Speaker 1: out of here. Not yet.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that Dean realizes, uh huh, how checked
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  Speaker 2: out Rory is.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't even know he's on a skydiving tour, does
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  Speaker 1: he He's not even aware of it. He's up in
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  Speaker 1: the air twenty thousand feet. He don't even he thinks
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  Speaker 1: he's on the ground.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like, I don't think he really like really
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  Speaker 2: is aware of her. Just absolute complacence towards him at
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  Speaker 2: this point. Sad.
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  Speaker 1: It's sad he is something, didn't she leaving her web?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: So notable that Luke doesn't even look at Lorelea. One
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  Speaker 1: time I noticed that too.
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  Speaker 2: It was so what do you make of that? I'd
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  Speaker 2: like to know your thoughts on that.
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  Speaker 1: Just don't know what to say to her, doesn't know
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  Speaker 1: how to deal with her. He's shut down, it's all
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  Speaker 1: shut down.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, do you feel like he's really like fully
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  Speaker 2: in love with her at this.
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  Speaker 1: Point and he's heartbroken?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? So what is he doing with those? Feels like
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  Speaker 2: that's how Luke deals with things? Is he just kind
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  Speaker 2: of like shuts down?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? How do guys deal with that? How do guys
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  Speaker 1: deal with getting a tongue lashings.
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  Speaker 2: On the guy? But I think you're right. I I
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  Speaker 2: think a lot of guys just shut down.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tough to come back from that. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: destroys the ego.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think shes guilty?
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  Speaker 1: Huh?
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  Speaker 2: Do you think she, Laurla I feels guilty at all
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  Speaker 2: in any way?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, she's a conscious being. She has to feel
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  Speaker 1: a little bit right in otherwise she'd just be like
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  Speaker 1: an emotional terrorist. Yes, yeah, but I but I think
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  Speaker 1: you know I was watching for her reactions. Did she
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  Speaker 1: notice that I wasn't looking at her? And I think
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  Speaker 1: she did. She just tried to rise above it and
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  Speaker 1: sort of stay positive and smiling and hopeful that you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe they're they could reconnect in some way, but that
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  Speaker 1: wasn't happening.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think she's doing the same thing that Luke
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  Speaker 2: is doing, but in the Laurel I way of just
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  Speaker 2: like okay with everything's fine, not at all. And then
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  Speaker 2: she's also got a lot on her plate at this
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  Speaker 2: point with with the graduation that, you know, all of
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  Speaker 2: that stuff, and her fear and maybe insecurity about graduating
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  Speaker 2: from community college and maybe what hers are on that.
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  Speaker 2: And I think she's she's got a lot going on
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  Speaker 2: emotionally in this My God, she looks gorgeous in this episode.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, whoa, well, she's pretty.
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  Speaker 1: Her hair is right right, And I think that's one
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  Speaker 1: of the reasons Luke couldn't look at her, because it
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  Speaker 1: was just like like too fine, right. He didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to get distracted and get drawnk you know, get the
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  Speaker 1: hooked deeper in Andy's toast, right.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously. I was directed by Jamie babbittat a ton of times, uh,
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  Speaker 2: And I think she actually directed the last episode I
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  Speaker 2: was in the girls in bikinis and boys doing the twist,
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  Speaker 2: and I remember she was hardcore about her one direction.
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  Speaker 2: I only ever got from her was faster, faster, faster, faster.
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  Speaker 2: They noticed that they everyone was talking like so fast
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  Speaker 2: in the episode. I don't know if it was faster
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  Speaker 2: than normal, but not your character, but the women mostly.
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  Speaker 1: That I didn't allow myself to get caught up in
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  Speaker 1: their pace. Oh god, you gotta hold your ground.
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  Speaker 2: Man, Good for you, you.
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  Speaker 1: Get sucked up, because I used to get sucked up
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  Speaker 1: in that, And it was like, WHOA, Okay, that's not
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  Speaker 1: the character.
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  Speaker 2: No, because this, this is why we had these very,
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  Speaker 2: very very long days, is having to say all those
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  Speaker 2: words exactly written in these tongue twitters and like faster, faster, faster,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm gonna feel like I can't even
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  Speaker 2: talk any faster.
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  Speaker 1: It was quite stressful, Wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: It totally stressful?
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  Speaker 1: It was so it's like every day, all day, it's
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  Speaker 1: quite stressful.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you this was. I think out of all
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  Speaker 2: the acting jabs I've ever done, I think this one
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  Speaker 2: was the hardest one in terms of like technicality stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, no question about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, technically speaking, it was grueling, honestly, And.
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  Speaker 1: Did you go on other sets on other shows and
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  Speaker 1: they thought that their stuff was difficult? And you're just
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  Speaker 1: like really, yeah, wait, not to be arrogant about it,
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  Speaker 1: but it's like, guys, you seriously you want to you
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  Speaker 1: want to rehearse this really time?
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, don't we want to show up and
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  Speaker 2: just steal all of this?
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  Speaker 1: Like the scene partner comes out and they're like, you
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  Speaker 1: know what, they just threw two new pages at us.
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  Speaker 1: What are we gonna do?
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, I remember when Live the would get like
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  Speaker 2: two new pages. You're like, okay, I got this, I
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  Speaker 2: got this, Like oh like, oh we're gonna yeah, oh
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  Speaker 2: my god.
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  Speaker 1: Right, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: At least we have table reads every single episode.
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  Speaker 1: But we stopped doing those.
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  Speaker 2: Oh not not, I was always I stopped in season four,
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  Speaker 2: so I okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so after that we didn't do table reads.
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  Speaker 2: Why not?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I think certain people just
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to do them anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Oh did you like them? I really enjoyed them.
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  Speaker 1: Table reads?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't really like them, you know, I don't, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, the writers need them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought it was a really fun place to
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  Speaker 2: come together.
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  Speaker 1: The writers really need to hear it, right. I don't
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  Speaker 1: like them because I don't like I don't like making
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  Speaker 1: choices at all that I liked making choices like you know,
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  Speaker 1: day of or right before we do the scene, like
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  Speaker 1: formulating it. But on that show you kind of had
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  Speaker 1: to hum you had to form something.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, definitely. But your characters apart from like the
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  Speaker 2: emotional stuff that he went through with all my daughter
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  Speaker 2: and you know, all of it, all of it.
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  Speaker 1: But but but but the thing is is the the emotionality,
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  Speaker 1: if you want to call it, that was in the
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  Speaker 1: in the dialogue. It was it was mapped out. It
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  Speaker 1: wasn't like you had to You didn't really have to do.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't have to dig deep because the work was
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  Speaker 1: done for you and the words just kind of brought
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  Speaker 1: it up.
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  Speaker 2: It's true, I didn't. I didn't never have to dig deep,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, mad was done.
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  Speaker 1: But but you know what I'm you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: I think that once once, once Amy and Dan got
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  Speaker 2: that that storytelling of the characters they wrote for those
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  Speaker 2: characters so magically well that that I didn't ever even
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  Speaker 2: I didn't feel like I that was not a hard
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  Speaker 2: part of the job in any way whatsoever. I just
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  Speaker 2: how to say it and what to say. Look, the
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  Speaker 2: only problem for me was just like I mean on
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  Speaker 2: that that dialogue, that tongue twisting dialogue.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I would say ninety percent of the work was
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  Speaker 1: already done in the writing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I've been on other shows, like there's a
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  Speaker 1: show I'm doing now where it's like they're giving you
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  Speaker 1: ten percent and you got to do ninety percent and
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  Speaker 1: dig deep and go go to that place and it's exhausting.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to just ask you, are you enjoying it?
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  Speaker 2: It a lot?
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  Speaker 1: I mean three years after three years, I'm burnt. You are,
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  Speaker 1: Oh god, Yeah, I mean it's just like it's unsettling. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean you really gotta. But that's the work. That's
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  Speaker 1: what's required. So that's the work. Yeah, that is required
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  Speaker 1: to do. And that's fine. So it's either very naked
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  Speaker 1: and spare yeah writing, or it's this stuff that's like
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  Speaker 1: so much meat on the bone, Yeah, where you just
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  Speaker 1: have to nibble in. You're good. Right.
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  Speaker 2: I had to to play the drums for a movie,
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  Speaker 2: and so for three months prior to even filming, I
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  Speaker 2: had to. That was the hardest job, and my character
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  Speaker 2: was through a lot emotionally. That was by far the
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  Speaker 2: hardest job I've ever ever done. Right, Right, But it
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  Speaker 2: was fun.
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  Speaker 1: But you know what, I think, Here's what I think.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what I think. I think for the work that
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  Speaker 1: Lauren had to do, I think she had to go
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  Speaker 1: deep several several, several times per episode, even though the writing,
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  Speaker 1: and I think the writing helped get her there, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: but she had to go deeper than pretty much anybody
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  Speaker 1: in the cast right on a daily basis. So I
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  Speaker 1: think that's the exhaustion that she was experiencing.
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  Speaker 2: And I think Alexis was just overwhelmed with just the
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  Speaker 2: scope of what she'd gotten herself into. But you know, Lauren,
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  Speaker 2: I gotta say I applaud her big time because not
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  Speaker 2: only does she have to spew out like fifty seven
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  Speaker 2: pages of dialogue for a forty two you know, minute
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  Speaker 2: show or whatever it is you know I'm making. Not
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  Speaker 2: only that, but she also had to bring like a
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  Speaker 2: lot of vulnerability to it with all the different relationships
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  Speaker 2: in her life. So her huh with this one or
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  Speaker 2: this one that you know, has so many different dynamics.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean a hundred percent. Did she ever win
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  Speaker 2: an Emmy for that?
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  Speaker 1: Ridiculously?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what not? Was she nominated? I gotta get my point.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think she got a sag
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  Speaker 1: Award nomination or some stuff.
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  Speaker 2: But well, would it have been would she have been
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  Speaker 2: nominated for no Emmys?
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  Speaker 1: No, I don't know if she was. Maybe she was nominated.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think she was nominated for Emmys. That was
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  Speaker 1: kind of ridiculous because that was the heaviest lift probably
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  Speaker 1: in the history of television. I mean no, think now
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  Speaker 1: think about You're right, because she's at the center of
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  Speaker 1: all the action. She's got to deal with everybody in
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  Speaker 1: the cast, her daughter.
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  Speaker 2: It was different with every single.
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  Speaker 1: Person, right, every single day, all day. She was nominated
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  Speaker 1: for a Golden Globe. Okay, Jackie says she was nominated.
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  Speaker 1: She wasn't nominated for sagawar Jackie, that was it just
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  Speaker 1: a just a Golden Globe.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to tell you this. The one, the
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  Speaker 2: one performance that I think rivals in the history of
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  Speaker 2: television was when you played that episode about in my
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  Speaker 2: sponge Worthy on Seinfeld. I feel like that rivals it
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  Speaker 2: really really. I just happen to wonder upon that the other.
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  Speaker 1: Day, right because on here I am on Seinfeld and
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  Speaker 1: I'm working with all these really inexperienced people who don't
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  Speaker 1: know what they're doing, and I have to you know,
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  Speaker 1: I have to guide them through the scenes. It was
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  Speaker 1: just horrible, actually, that was That was But that's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: You can only pray that if you're like, Okay, if
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  Speaker 1: you're in a situation where the writing is spare and
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  Speaker 1: you've got to add so much meat to the bone
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  Speaker 1: and you got to dig deep, you can only pray
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  Speaker 1: that your cast is experienced and they understand what it
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  Speaker 1: takes and they respect what it is that you have
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  Speaker 1: to do to go get that stuff, and that they're
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  Speaker 1: you know, they know how to deal with it, like
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  Speaker 1: even after the fact, because it lingers, it stays around, right,
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  Speaker 1: it just doesn't go away. And if you don't have
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  Speaker 1: a cast that's experienced with that, doing that and then
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  Speaker 1: being around that and knowing how to handle that, you're screwed.
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  Speaker 1: You're just you're alone on an iceberg out in the
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  Speaker 1: middle the ocean. You're by yourself. The beauty of Gilmore
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  Speaker 1: Girls is everybody was experienced and everybody supported. I think
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  Speaker 1: Lauren got a tremendous amount of support from everybody right
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  Speaker 1: because they understood, we all understood what a heavy lift
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  Speaker 1: this was for her.
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  Speaker 2: Right, absolutely and it was very much. She didn't get
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  Speaker 2: a lot of support, and it was it was it
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  Speaker 2: was like a I don't want to say it was
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  Speaker 2: a dysfunctional family because that that would that's I don't
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  Speaker 2: think it was per se dysfunctional family. I think it
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  Speaker 2: was a very stressed out family that worked together and
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  Speaker 2: understood the hmm, like the scope of what like all
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: of these things to together Tree, Chuck, Bob and.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm right right, right right.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Isaac, and and you know everybody who.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Just kind of there was a mutual respect over all departments,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: not just cast, but over all departments because everybody was working.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, everybody had a hard job on that on
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: that set.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it was in two thousand and three
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: that we had a whole I don't know if you
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: guys ever did it again, but we had a whole,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: huge cast and crew picture and there were hundreds.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: And hundreds of Yeah. I don't know if you.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Guys ever did it again, but I felt I feel
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: so blessed that I got to be the part of
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: I still have that picture too. Yeah, it's crazy, I
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: mean just hundreds and hundreds of Yeah, it looks like
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: a where's Waldo? Cartoon, you know what I mean, it's
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: many people's stuffed to it, tight into you know, into
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: a picture. It's just but that's I guess My point
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: is it takes a huge village, of.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Course, Yeah, it's doing seven years of that. Yeah, just
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: to imagine how she felt. I mean, just like somebody
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: saved me.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Didn't you move on to parenthood right after that?
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, but I don't think it was a big
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: It wasn't a huge.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: Lift, That's what I'm I'm saying further.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Down the call shoot, So it was she didn't she
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: have to carry the show, which is what she was
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: probably looking for. Like, man, I don't know if I
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: want to do this again, you know, not for another
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: seven years.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Ensemble there where she's right carrying a show on her back. Yeah,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: you know, you can have the show without Rory. Not really,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: but you can if you had to. You cannot have
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: the show without lorale I at all.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: I think it's tough either way.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I did do but if you had to take one
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: out for like, you know, an episode, you can't take Orlin.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: I don't think you can do that.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Like she adopts Jean or Dean or something,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: and that's like she has a son.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Shut up? All right? Okay. I wanted to also mention
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Seth McFarland.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Episode It's funny, And I looked it.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Up on IMDb last night, and I think it was
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: like one of his first credits ever. And and I
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: looked on and he's in a bas Lureman film and
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: yeahs or no, he makes a line at that. But
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: on a one episode of Will and Grace right around
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: the same time, his credit was pencil sharpener.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: All right. Rory shows up at Emily's unplanned visit. They
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: don't mind, and they and she invites Richard and Lady
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Laura or I'm sorry. Rory shows up and she invites
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: them to the graduation ceremony. Right, But that's Rory going
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: behind her mom's back because she didn't want her to
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: do it. And it's like, Ry does this, Rory does
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: this a lot done, she goes behind her mother's back.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Does it ever? Has it ever been a major failure
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: or does it always seem to work out? What do
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: you think?
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: What in this show with Rory?
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: It just all the time that she's kind of gone
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: behind her mom's back too.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: But she's doing what a teenager, does you know, they
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: they break stuff and then you got to fix it.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: I feel like in this episode, for sure, it worked
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: out very much in in louralized favor because there was
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: so much unspoken between her and her mom and dad
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: that someone had to bridge that gap. If not, then
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: he wouldn't have Richard wouldn't have had that experience.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: You know, I know it was really sad. You know,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: they they were you know, Emily was humiliated. They were just.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: They were humiliated. The graduation well.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they you know, Emily was moved because you know,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: it should have been Yale. It should have been this,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: It should have been that. Everything that Laura like does,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: every accomplishment that she tries to celebrate posts Rory. Yeah,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: her parents make her feel that she just doesn't measure
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: up now, does she? What could have been? And that's
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: their role on the show. That's their function, That's why
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: they're there. You know.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: I feel, I feel, I truly feel.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: That they can't help themselves.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: But I feel like there are times when when they
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: show like a lot of like kindness to her. I
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: feel like a lot, But I think there are times
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: when they look put that crop aside and they say
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: good job. You know. I feel like that, Shelley.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: The more I watch this show, yeah, the more I'm
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: coming to the realization that loral I has every right
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: to just say to her parents, get off your freaking
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: high horse and deal. This is who I am. This
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: is reality, absolutely, you know what I mean. It's like
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: it's just grading sometimes to say it, but it's very
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: well written, it's very funny. It has to be. Conflict
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: is the soul of comedy, you know, it's just brilliant stuff. Yeah,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: what I mean, you know, real world it's like, dude,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: but in.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Reality that is that Those are the kind of relationships
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: we have oftentimes with parents or people that are guiding us.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Is I don't I'm not enough? And I think everyone
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: in some way with someone in their life struggles with that. Unfortunately,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: for Loreli started at home when she was just young,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: not even nearly even adult, scared to do anything, and
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: to just have complete, like no emotional support from her
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: parents at an early age when you really like she
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: doesn't even know how to process this stuff. That's that
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: to me is the tragedy.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I love people or artists who come from that background
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: abuse and they turn their lives and their relationships and
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: their art into anything other than anger. Right, they turn,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: they make something beautiful, They have beautiful relationship. That to
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: me is the win. That's that's wonderful. And that's what
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: she does. It's humor and.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: And and she does exactly the opposite with Rory. She
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: lifts Rory up. She You know, that barrier between friend
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: and mom is gray a lot of times, and sometimes
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: it's not gray at all.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: But I really she became. She became the mother she
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: never had and the father that.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I couldn't have said it any better. That's perfect.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about probably the most beloved and delightful
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: character in the entire Opus. It's Christopher.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: God, that's fun. I thought you were gonna say Sukie
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: because she's my favorite character. Yes, let's discuss discuss happy face.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: That Jebby Cheeks shows up and his shirt so he's
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: wearing a shirt. You ever noticed that he's got a
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: shirt on Christopher and his shirt still shirt?
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: My note was Christopher, dude, too little, too late with
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: the pearl. That was great job that suchasm, Christopher. What
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: do you got?
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Really? That's all you got for Christopher?
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: That's how little I appreciate christ this is a bark
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: free zone, little girl.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Do you think way a minute, you know, a question
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: just popped into my head. Do you think that Rory
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: is delusional that she can have that this guy is
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: worth it at all?
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: I absolutely do. But that's what But that's.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: The heartbreaking part about it, right, is that she's so
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: hopeful and still so so you know, a little bit
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: needy of that.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: But again, that is a that's universal, I think people.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: I hate to genderize this, but I do feel like
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: girls really need a strong father, and they want a
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: strong father, and very often we don't get them, and
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: and it makes us yearn for it more. And I
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: feel like there's a there's a what's a blinder in
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: that whole you knowation I mean? And plus he didn't
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: do it, you know what he did. He did in
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: a way, he didn't do it directly to her, but
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: then he just disappeared, you know, and then showed back
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: up when she's all grown up and all put together,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: For him, it's like it's either nothing or it's too much.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: He's either over the top or he's not even present.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: It's just he's always making up.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: It's just God with you. I am actually really surprised
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: that she goes back to him for any reason.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Why does she deal with this bozo at all? No,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: what's happening?
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I first love, I guess, and I
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: don't know. But I think that Christian was a fairly
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: unpopular character universally speaking.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Do you think do you think that this is causing
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: do you do? You? Okay, what do you think she
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: should have done in the real world? Laurla cut him
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: out over their lives completely because he just keeps he
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: keeps disappointing that. Yeah, he keeps hurting them.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: I don't think that that's her decision entirely. I think
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: that there is a relationship between Rory and Christopher. I'm
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: not saying it's a good one. I'm just saying that
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: I think ultimately Rory does get to decide if she
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: wants to have a relationship with her father, and I
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: think that I think that laurel ies just kind of.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: I think he's always scrambled her brain in a not
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: in good way, and I think she does her best
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: wade through those murky waters. What do you think do
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: you think that she should have cut him out? Yeah?
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: You do?
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: I don't need it, sorry, but I mean, look, it's
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: there for a reason, right. It provides what it's supposed to.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Well, I think what it does is really really puts
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: a spotlight on Luke the spotlighted.
• 29:05
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• 29:05
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• 29:08
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• 30:04
  Speaker 1: All right, let's go to New York. Okay, you want
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: to go to New.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: York, let's go. I love that the Pixies were playing
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: and that song. I love that they chose that song.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm, sow uncharacteristic for Rory. She skips school, gets
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: on a bus to the Big Apple. Yeah, go see
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: you know, the the runner up in the Jack Kerouac
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Act to Like contest.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Although I really, I really did like Jess in this
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: I like to Jess in this episode. I don't like
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: what he encouraged her to do, but in a way,
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: I kind of feel like she needed to do that.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: This is a this is the kind of decision she's
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: never made before to just get on a bus and
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: go to New York City by herself at what's six seven,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: sixteen years old? Like that?
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: All those Northeast kids, man, they grow up in the suburbs.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: They want to go to New York. Going to New
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: York's a big deal.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: Did you do you think it was? Okay? If you
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: were her dad, would you have said, well, how would
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: you have responded.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: If I were the father in that relationship, yeah, yeah,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: the biological father.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: And she skipped school to go see this guy in
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: New York and did, and.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: In essence, that's a pretty dangerous like choice.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we definitely have a talk.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I'm on the fence about that, But I guess I
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: I'm glad she did because I feel like she's been
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: such a good girl that she needed to do something brave.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: That's my opinion. I feel I feel it was brave.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: I feel it was irresponsible.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Well, the thing is, she didn't tell anybody where she
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: was going.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big deal.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: That's that's so. Yeah, I'm going to ground her.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: M your phone these days, I learned if you take
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: that phone, man, that's the biggest consequence in their lives.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Look, the most terrifying thing for a parent is not
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: knowing where your kid is. Yeah, and that's you know,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: you don't you don't put your parents do that.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: So so so she has done that, And what do
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: you think, how do you think this develops her relationship
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: with with Jess. Obviously you did a lot to want
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: to make that decision to go to New York.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: You know, it's supposed to be a goodbye. You never
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: said goodbye, so he says goodbye, right, yeah, he is
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: that permanent no, obviously, So as they say on the
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Hallmark channel, the heart calls, you know, right, it does.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Indeed, the heart does.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: The heart calls. And guess what, you know, she's picking
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: up the phone and saying hello, I'll be right.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Trailways is a bus.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: To Graham, Graham, why did you just ask ry as
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: she gets on the bus, why did you come here? Duh?
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Why do you think?
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, come on, dude, I think I think he knew,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: but he wanted to hear her say it. You know,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: when we when we need that confirmation or that affirmation
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: from from someone.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: I was curious, if you're going to change your clothes,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: you can watch them.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: I can smell you from from Connecticut.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: It's like whoa, whoa.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, So they are record shopping, they hang out, they
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: do that stuff. She gets back on the bus and
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: he says goodbye, and then she gets stuck.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. You know he did. He did ask Rory
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: how Luke was so, And that's really the only one
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: of the only times we see him caring about somebody
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: else besides you. Know obviously Rory. Yeah, he's that typical
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: hurt abused guy. Yeah, teen who can he can only
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: open up to one person and that's the object of
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: his desire. Yeah, everybody else is the enemy taking away
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: her attention, right, It's that. It's that mentality. He's he's
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: a he's a prototype. Yeah, it's a psychological prototype.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: So yeah, absolutely that that, you know, the rebel without
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: a cause and uh kind of guy. That God, I
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: went through that phase when I was younger, and did
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: you Thank god I was when I was younger, when
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: I when I passed through that like bad guy phase,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: because it's worth it.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: So in high school, what did they vote in the yearbook?
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: What was your most likely to?
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: What? Oh? My, my, my, like they just called me
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: cosmic Shelley. That was my moniker or whatever. In the
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: Europe you can put a little Madeline in there and
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: you could use your message.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's great.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Did you have a most likely to?
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I was most likely to join the s LA, that's
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: the Cymbionese Liberation Army and uh, I'm very proud of that. Actually,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: all right, let's go to the graduation ceremony and there
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: we are with Seth Seth McFarlane the communist, hating the
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: wealthy with his and they had an hysterical dynamic. Yeah,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: they hated each other, they loved each other, they told
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: each other to die. It's just so funny, so great. Yeah,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: I like that, And it made me wonder how much
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: an audience could could tolerate that, maybe through an entire episode,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: or if they were the lead this series, because it's
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: so great. But you probably tire of it. F but
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, really, just brilliant writing, just funny stuff, all right. So,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: so Laurel I gets there early. Her mother's there setting
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: up camera equipment. She's horrified by this. She meets Seth McFarlane,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: the the raging communist. Uh, and Rory misses the graduation
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: because her bus is you know, there's a there's an
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: accident on the New York Thruway.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, I don't want to overstate this, but I do
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: feel like Lorelized reaction to Rory not being there.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Oh God, I agree, I agree with you. I agree
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: with you. God, I know what you're gonna say.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: I want to catch it. I felt like it was.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: A little childish, Yes, I.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Agree, Yeah, howdy you know, and granted, Yeah, she was
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: definitely had a lot going on and stuff, but I
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: was I was sort of taking it back. I was
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: always watching that reaction going. I don't remember her being
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: this like powdy, you know, like not temper chanterm, but
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: like poudy, little childish.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Girl before she had to from an acting point of
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: view from it, she had to to give Rory runway
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: for her speech.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, of course, right.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: So that she could be you know.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad I'm not the only one that that
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: had that reaction to it. Like I said, I feel
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: like anyway, yeah, I feel like I know what you mean,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: what it is. It is what it is. So but
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: but okay, So, if Rory had been there, would she
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: have had that experience? Would her heart have been vulnerable
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: enough to have that experience with her dad? I feel
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: like the writing is brilliant, and I feel like there's
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: a very important purpose for Rory not being there, as
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: if Ory had been there, I don't know that she would,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Laura I would have been as open to the experience
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: that she had with her, especially her dad. So again,
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: great writing.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Again, it's like what's not written r is the genius
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: of it. What's not there?
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: And then the last thing I wrote was that, like,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: it feels like Laurla I really guilted Rory for not
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: being there, and then Rory starts spiraling, and then she
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: feels horrible at herself because she sat on the bus
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: for hours, and then there's all of this guilt and
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: guilt and guilt and Rory when she spirals, she just
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: spy rules and uh so, yeah, she totally spiraled, and
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: then they finally had their talk m h. And it's
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: kind of like it was kind of it's kind of
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: like a dot dot dot at the end of the episode.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: I feel like it was kind of left a little open, you.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Know, Shelly, Let's talk about when Rory tells her mother
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: that Jess's phone call did something to her and that
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: she's she's sick and she's ill and she needs help.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: And this is teenage melodrama, and you think she's genuinely
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: overwhelmed or she's just confused by her feelings. I mean,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: this is like it's typical teenage trauma, right.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Well, I okay, I think what's going on with her?
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: And I do. I am with teenagers a lot, so
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: I don't really a lot of their drama. I think
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: what's going on with Rory in that because that I
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: feel like that's part of the spiral, is that she is,
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: first of all, she's feeling guilty about Secondly, I also
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: think that she's feeling I don't know if guilt is
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: the right word for it, but she knows Jess is
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: like a bad boy, and she knows that her mom
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: doesn't really approve of him. So I feel I feel
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: like she doesn't know what to do with her emotions
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: in regards to to Jess because she feels very drawn
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: to him. She knows that or she's been told and
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: she feels like the counterpoint that it's wrong. And I
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: feel like that's very very rough emotional terrain to navigate
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: as a sixteen year old kid who is always trying
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: to do the right thing. And it feels that she's
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: just very very confused and lost in all of that stuff.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: And I think that's why she said those words to
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: her mom.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: That's why that's got to keep her on the tightrope,
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: can't It's easy for them to fall off, right, That's
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: that's the fear, all right, Well, that's it, all right?
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: He's like, is she in denial? I know, she says
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: I love Dean, but I love Dean, right, Mom. You
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: know it's like I don't think.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: So, no, no, that is too.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Love as a friend, love as a person, you know, trust.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: She's trying to say. I think she's saying that over
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: and over again because she's trying to convince herself of it,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: because he's the right choice. But she doesn't. She doesn't
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: love Deane, and we know that when she was completely
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: tuned out to him, you know, when he was talking
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: to her, when they were walking on the street. She
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: was just tuned out. Her brain was somewhere else.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: And we know, yeah, she's not getting the dopamine hits
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: from Dan.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: She she knows what she wants, but she just feels
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: too guilty to let herself have it.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: So Shelly, what'd you think of this episode overall?
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: I don't think that it was specifically like a vastly
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: entertaining episode in terms of, like, you know, I walked
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: away feeling like, oh that's a little more girls always
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: feel good. But I feel like it was a very
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: important episode of lauralized relationship with herself, Rory's relationship with herself,
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: larealized relationship, you know, with Rory, and then you know,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: the parents and all that stuff. I think it was
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: a very important establishing, you know, episode that happens. Those
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: are the rough like the bumps in life, and I
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: feel like this was a bumps in life episode, right, it.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Was the purpose maybe the purpose of the episode was
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: to make us feel uncomfortable and unsettled so that the
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: a La Las can come back and take us away
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: from heaven.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Right yeah, sure, yeah, all.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Right, good deal. All right, we're gonna wrap this up,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Shelley call scuote observations from Cosmic Shelley.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Yoh, I love it. Let's do that some more.
• 42:14
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• 42:17
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• 42:21
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