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Patriots Catch-22 10/3: 3 Up/Down vs. the 49ers, Dolphins Preview · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 2: to start today. Because last week I did forty minutes
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  Speaker 2: off the top of the show complaining about the offense
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  Speaker 2: I railed on Alex Van Pelt. I railed on Jacoby Brissett.
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  Speaker 2: I railed a little bit on the offensive line, and
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  Speaker 2: I've just decided, now after this forty nine Ers game
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  Speaker 2: Bart that I've just come to terms with the fact
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  Speaker 2: that the Patriots offense until Drake May gets in there,
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  Speaker 2: this is probably how it's going to look. Last week,
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  Speaker 2: I complained, and I said, you got to get the
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  Speaker 2: ball out of the quarterback's hands, quicker. You can't be
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  Speaker 2: running these bootleg and seven step drops from under center
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  Speaker 2: and expecting that to go well with this offensive line.
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  Speaker 2: They kind of listened. Alex Van Pelt kind of listened.
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  Speaker 2: Sixteen dropbacks in under two and a half seconds, got
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  Speaker 2: the ball out a little bit. This week. Ran a
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  Speaker 2: lot of quick game, ran a lot of stuff close
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  Speaker 2: to the line of scrimmage. They just can't execute anything well.
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  Speaker 2: So whether it's seven step drop, it's three step, it's
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  Speaker 2: quick game, it's gone, it's under center or whatever, they
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  Speaker 2: don't do any of it well. So I at this point,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to excuse anybody. I'm not trying to
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  Speaker 2: give any passes, but the offensively, I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: start there, even though I just started there, because I
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  Speaker 2: just I've given up I've given up, Like until May
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  Speaker 2: gets in there, I just don't know what else they're
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  Speaker 2: gonna do.
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  Speaker 1: Well, look, I think it will get better than that.
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  Speaker 1: You also have to consider what the offensive line was,
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  Speaker 1: and that certainly led to some limitations. Right, you have
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  Speaker 1: a guy making his first career NFL start, he played
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  Speaker 1: fourteen snaps before Sunday and Trey Jacobs. I don't mean
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  Speaker 1: to pick on him, but oh, your fifteenth NFL snap.
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  Speaker 2: Nick Bosa, Like that's tough.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really tough. So the offensive line would be better.
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  Speaker 1: But I agree with you kind of in the big
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  Speaker 1: picture that I think this is kind of the offense
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  Speaker 1: philosophy they're gonna have.
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  Speaker 2: Under Jakobe Brssett.
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  Speaker 1: But I still think, and I know we disagree on this,
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  Speaker 1: but I just still think there are certain things that
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  Speaker 1: the offensive line is going to cap their ability to do,
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  Speaker 1: regardless of who the quarterback is, especially right now, and
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  Speaker 1: guys aren't healthy, and they'll get some guys backs, some
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  Speaker 1: guys they won't get back, right, And David Andrews are
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  Speaker 1: still waiting to hear about Kaden Wallace, But yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is it, Kandy is what is this is the
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  Speaker 1: group they put together.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm in agreement with you on the
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  Speaker 2: offensive line at this point, mainly because now there's so
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  Speaker 2: many injuries to boot with all of the other issues
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  Speaker 2: that they have talent wise, right, just in general that
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  Speaker 2: you know, you lose David Andrews, you have no idea
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  Speaker 2: who your left tackle is going to be weak in
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  Speaker 2: and week out. It's just gotten ugly up there. Even
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  Speaker 2: beyond the fact that they don't have a franchise left
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  Speaker 2: tackle or a great you know, right tackle right now
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  Speaker 2: either even know on when who played better I thought
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  Speaker 2: last week, But in general, it just they don't have
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  Speaker 2: the horses on the offensive side of the ball. So
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  Speaker 2: for me to keep coming on here and picking on
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  Speaker 2: the offense and picking on the offense and a VP
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  Speaker 2: and Brissette and all those guys, it doesn't seem fair,
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  Speaker 2: almost like a trade. Jacobs's fault that he can't block
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  Speaker 2: Nick Bosa. No, but this is what I was saying
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  Speaker 2: last week.
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  Speaker 1: I just I just I'm curious or I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if you're going back on the take you had last
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  Speaker 1: week or from just missing it.
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  Speaker 2: But remember last week talk.
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  Speaker 1: About the Rams are figuring it out even though they
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  Speaker 1: have their injuries and whatever, and I said, yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: their injuries, it's different because they're starting from a higher point.
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  Speaker 1: This was kind of my whole tape when we had
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  Speaker 1: that conversation last week.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, was they are who they are. Yeah, I what
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  Speaker 2: changed for me And granted it it's probably even premature now,
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  Speaker 2: but because the forty nine ers are just a much
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  Speaker 2: better team than you are. But what changed for me
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  Speaker 2: is I actually thought the game plan and the script
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  Speaker 2: that they called last week was what they have to
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  Speaker 2: do with this group. They came out and they got
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  Speaker 2: the ball out of Jacoby Brissett's hands. If first third
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  Speaker 2: down of the game, they run a designed rollout into
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  Speaker 2: the sideline for Pop Douglas, So they didn't just have
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  Speaker 2: them drop back and sit there, you know, and have
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  Speaker 2: the pass rush tee off on them. They ran a
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  Speaker 2: lot of quick game. They tried to get the ball
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  Speaker 2: into guys playmakers' hands quickly. I think that actually the
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  Speaker 2: rollout was the second third down. The first third down
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  Speaker 2: I think was that little throw into the flat. Ormandre
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  Speaker 2: just broke a tackle and was able to convert after
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  Speaker 2: the catch. Like that is what I wanted them to do.
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  Speaker 2: Two weeks ago against the jets that they didn't do.
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  Speaker 2: And now I've seen them do that and it's like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: well they can't run the offense that Van Pelta actually
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  Speaker 2: wants to run. We know that they can't run a
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  Speaker 2: quick game offense either with this collection of talent. So
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  Speaker 2: what am I gonna yell at about? Like I could
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  Speaker 2: do another hour on Drake may should be playing, but
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  Speaker 2: that doesn't serve a purpose because he's not. He's not
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  Speaker 2: gonna play. So with that being said, I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to get bogged down by that because I want to
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  Speaker 2: talk about the defense. Yep. Defensively, I'm my concern level
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  Speaker 2: for the defense is almost higher at this point than
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  Speaker 2: it is for the offense because my expectations for the
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  Speaker 2: offense are is so low and my defensive expectations were higher. Right,
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  Speaker 2: So now at this point I just said, I can't
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  Speaker 2: really pick on the coaching from last week because I
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  Speaker 2: think they tried to do the right things and it
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  Speaker 2: just still didn't go well. Defensively, they are playing below
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  Speaker 2: their talent level. Would you agree with that? Yes? And no,
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  Speaker 2: I think they're playing I mean what talent level?
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  Speaker 3: Like?
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  Speaker 1: So I had people kind of on Twitter during after
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  Speaker 1: the game on Sunday being like, well, you said this
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  Speaker 1: could be a top ten defense when camp started, like
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  Speaker 1: and you know you were wrong, blah Blah's like, well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I said a unit that had Christian Barmore and Matthew
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  Speaker 1: Judon and Juwan Bentley could be a top ten defense.
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  Speaker 1: You lose those guys, you don't just get to be
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  Speaker 1: a top ten defense off reputation. So I still think
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  Speaker 1: they're playing below the level of talent of the guys
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  Speaker 1: they've available, But I do think that lost talent. And look,
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  Speaker 1: they decided to trade Matthew Judon, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I don't really they had to have
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  Speaker 2: had to plan probably Kean right, Joshua and Fredy general
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  Speaker 2: we can get to uch.
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  Speaker 1: We kind of said that at this at the time,
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  Speaker 1: that like, how is this going to work?
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  Speaker 2: Now?
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  Speaker 1: There are still guys like josh Ucha who I think
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  Speaker 1: are are not playing well right now, hurting them. But
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  Speaker 1: I also do think you have to look at it
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  Speaker 1: as this is not the defense we spent the summer
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  Speaker 1: talking about. It is not the same play. You could
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  Speaker 1: argue they've lost three are the best four three and
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  Speaker 1: you want to throw Kyle Dugger in there as well.
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  Speaker 1: For their best six defensive players. Right, they still have Gonzales,
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  Speaker 1: they still have White. But if you were, if we
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  Speaker 1: were at the beginning of camp to rank the best
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  Speaker 1: defensive players, it would be in some order chewed on
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  Speaker 1: bar More, Bentley, Dugger, Peppers all fight, and you'd throw
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  Speaker 1: in White and Gonzalez.
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  Speaker 4: Rr.
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  Speaker 1: But we didn't know because those guys have only played
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  Speaker 1: one year. Those five were really supposed to be the
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  Speaker 1: cornerstones of your defense. Four of them are now hurt
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  Speaker 1: and one they traded away. Yeah, so this is and
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  Speaker 1: we knew depth was an issue. We talked about depth
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  Speaker 1: being an issue at safety, We talked about depth being
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  Speaker 1: an issue at corner. We talked a lot about depth
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  Speaker 1: being an issue on the edge. This is just sort
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  Speaker 1: of where they put themselves.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm just gonna slightly disagree because the main reason
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  Speaker 2: being is that I have seen the guys that they
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  Speaker 2: have out there play better football.
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  Speaker 1: So, okay, is not this bad? No, no, no, So
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  Speaker 1: I agree with you on that. I do think there's
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  Speaker 1: more potential for them to be better than they are.
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  Speaker 1: But I think part of it for the fans watching, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: hearing about what a great defense it was going to be,
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  Speaker 1: and then seeing this, that's.
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  Speaker 2: Part of the equation. It should not be this bad up.
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  Speaker 2: But there are guys.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Tava is an interesting one because to me, the
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  Speaker 1: problem is he's playing out of position.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's get to it. But I want to unpack it.
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  Speaker 2: So I just want to throw out a couple of
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  Speaker 2: stats first and foremost, just to kind of set the
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  Speaker 2: table here right now. On defense, they are twenty eighth
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  Speaker 2: in the league in DVOA. On defense, they are a
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  Speaker 2: bottom five defense in the NFL. Number they are twenty eighth.
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  Speaker 1: No, not, you're made up. What do you means not
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  Speaker 1: your made up acronyms. Give me a real number. Well,
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: give me a real number of out the defense.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, want a real number? Yes, how about yards per play?
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  Speaker 2: Does that work for you?
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  Speaker 1: That's a real number.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, they are twenty seventh in the league and yards
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  Speaker 2: that's not good. Guess what they were last year and
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  Speaker 2: probably middle of the pack. Third, Oh wow, top five,
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  Speaker 2: top five. I'm gonna give you the fake number again
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  Speaker 2: because you're a hater.
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  Speaker 1: One fake number, one real number, will do it like this.
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  Speaker 2: Nine. They were ninth in DVOA last year. This was
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  Speaker 2: with Matthew Judah and Christian Gonzales basically playing for a
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  Speaker 2: quarter of the season, final twelve weeks of the season,
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  Speaker 2: and I get it. You know, if Paul was here,
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  Speaker 2: he would tell me they played a bunch of Tommy
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  Speaker 2: DeVito's and Gardner Minshew's and they'll get one of those
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  Speaker 2: on Sunday with Tyler Huntley and maybe the defense will
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  Speaker 2: look better. But the point being is that they were
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  Speaker 2: third in yards per play last year. Yeah, they were
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  Speaker 2: ninth and DVOA last year they are twenty eighth and
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  Speaker 2: twenty seventh, respectfully in those stats this year. I'll give
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  Speaker 2: you one last one. This is a tangible one for you.
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  Speaker 2: This is a real stat third down defense.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's tangible.
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  Speaker 2: The Patriots are thirty first in the league on third
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  Speaker 2: down run. It's brutal, thirty first. For the record, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't disagree with your take. I just didn't want you
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  Speaker 2: to do DVA. I know, thirty first in the league
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  Speaker 2: on defense on third down defense last year they were seventh.
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  Speaker 2: So they haven't just Christian Barmoard and Juwan Bentley regressed here.
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  Speaker 2: They have hardcore regressed. Like this is a major drop off.
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  Speaker 2: And let's also not forget that with Barmore and without
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  Speaker 2: bent you know, without Bentley and Barmore, if you want
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  Speaker 2: to throw dude on there. They also got back Christian Gonzales, right,
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  Speaker 2: they also got back certain guys. You know, Keon White
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  Speaker 2: is a better football player this year than he was
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  Speaker 2: last year. So as much as I want to agree
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  Speaker 2: with you about some of the injuries, I Mike rape
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  Speaker 2: right now at the defense is this, and this is
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  Speaker 2: my big take for you. Can I give you one
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  Speaker 2: more number? Two? You can because I I because you
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  Speaker 2: know I love the numbers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, you know how I could scoring?
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  Speaker 5: Right?
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  Speaker 1: What's on the scoreboard? What are we talking about there? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: So they actually haven't dropped that much.
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  Speaker 2: In terms of over their scoring. Seventeenth.
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  Speaker 1: They're seventeenth. They finished last year fifteenth. But part of
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  Speaker 1: that is because I was actually looking. You just made
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  Speaker 1: me think this because looking at something similar earlier. They're
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  Speaker 1: running the ball a lot and they're shortening the games. Right,
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  Speaker 1: points per drive allowed? You want to guess what they are?
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  Speaker 1: You want to do the guessing game?
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  Speaker 2: Wait, give me again, give it to me again.
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  Speaker 1: Points per dry, points allowed per drive. Oh so this
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  Speaker 1: is basically they're probably down. You have points allowed, but
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  Speaker 1: because the games are so much shorter because the clock
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  Speaker 1: running right now, that's why I brought up yards per play. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, so this is similar. So last year they
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  Speaker 1: were actually fifth. Yeah, they allowed one point six yards
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  Speaker 1: per drive for just because this is a staff people
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  Speaker 1: use a lot. The Ravens led the league at one
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  Speaker 1: point three per drive. The Commanders were dead last to
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  Speaker 1: two point five, So you kind of want to be
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  Speaker 1: between one point five and two point five. This year
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  Speaker 1: they ranked twenty second two point one to one yards
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  Speaker 1: per drive. They're averaging an extra half point per drive,
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  Speaker 1: which doesn't sound like a lot. It is a lot
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  Speaker 1: over the course of a game that that adds up,
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  Speaker 1: and they're doing that because they have to shorten the
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  Speaker 1: games because it's the only way they can win. It
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  Speaker 1: significantly decreases the margin forrer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand that there's always that element with this
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  Speaker 2: defense that they're on the field a lot in some
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  Speaker 2: of these games. Even though that wasn't true for the
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  Speaker 2: first two games of the year, it has been true
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  Speaker 2: the last two games. There are a time of possession
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  Speaker 2: numbers have even doubt. At this point they're middle of
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  Speaker 2: the pack, and time of possession after being pretty good
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  Speaker 2: in the first two weeks. There, They're on the field
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  Speaker 2: a lot, their offense isn't scoring, their margin forreerr is
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  Speaker 2: not very big.
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  Speaker 1: To your point, they were on the field a lot
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  Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, and relative to how much they were
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  Speaker 1: on the field, they are allowing significantly more points this
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  Speaker 1: year than they were last year.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So my big picture thought, and then I wanted
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  Speaker 2: to talk about this forty nine ers game specifically, and
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  Speaker 2: then one other big picture type of item, my big
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  Speaker 2: picture thought with this team in general, but I specifically
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: look at the defense with Grod Mayo and say, you're
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  Speaker 2: a defensive guy, like this is your side of the ball.
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  Speaker 2: You're a former linebacker turned defensive assistant coach turn head coach,
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: like this is supposed to be you are supposed to
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: be Demico Ryance, right, Like that's supposed to be your
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: defense that you are running. My biggest gripe right now
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: at this defense and with the team as a whole.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: But I put more on girod for the defense for
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: those reasons. This is screaming and I'm not saying he's
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: not doing this. It's just not manifesting itself on Sundays.
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: This is screaming for Girod to come into a coaches
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: meeting on Tuesday, Monday Tuesday and say what are we
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: doing on third down? DeMarcus, what the heck are we
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: doing on third down? We're thirty first in the league
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: on third down. We can't get off the field, and
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: the main reason is the edge. We know that they're
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: letting the quarterbacks out of the pocket, the quarterbacks either
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: scrambling or he's extending plays, and then they're finding receivers
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: open down the field. But we'll talk about this more
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: in a minute, but it's just also let's not involve
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: the player errors for a second, like schematically, what are
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: we doing on third down that we can do differently
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: that can be better, because we need to throw out
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: what we're doing now, like dead, second to last in
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: the league is not where the New England Patriots should
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: be on defense. It just isn't. So we need to
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: throw that out and we need to start over there. Well,
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: we get into the player meetings, the squad meetings, setting
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: the edge of the defense has to be non negotiable.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: You either set the edge or you're on the bench.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: I don't care if you're Keon White. I don't care
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: if you're Joshua Uce, Anthony Jennings. I don't care if
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: you're somebody from the practice squad that they elevated in
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: a just on a one off in a week. If
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: you're gonna play defense for us, you're gonna set the
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: edge and you're gonna keep the quarterback in the pocket.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Non negotiable. I'd say the same thing on the other
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: side of the ball about turnovers and fumbling Ramandre Stevenson,
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: non negotiable, right like, this is not going to go
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: fly here and first drive of the game against San Francisco,
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: and I agree with DeMarcus Comington, who we spoke to
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: this morning and he said it improved over the course
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: of the game. I agree with that it wasn't as
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: big of a problem outside of that opening drive as
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: it was later on on in the game. But opening
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: drive of the game, three third downs in a row,
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: three blown edges in a row. You're either coaching it
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: or you're allowing it to happen. It's that simple, and
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: right now the coaching staff is allowing this kind of
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: stuff to happen. So on that level, we have to schematically,
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: we have to change up what we're doing on third down.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: It's clearly not working what they're trying to do on
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: third down, and then we have to hold the players
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: accountable for their performance and their errors on the field.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: I feel like this whole team is screaming for the
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: head coach to put his foot down on some of
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: these things. And it's not let's make a list of
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: fifty things that we need to do better. It's let's
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: make a list of five things. Let's make a list
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: of three things that we need to do better.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Was it sounds like what they did last week with
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: the non negotiables that he was talking about, Like we
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: didn't accomplish the non negotiables.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: There's you're not going to fix everything that ails you
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: in one week, right. They're not all of a sudden
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: going to be this buttoned up team with a great
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: offensive line and receivers make and plays in YadA, YadA YadA.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: It's not gonna look like that. So let's narrow it
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: down to like three or four things that we tangibly
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: feel like we can fix. I feel like they can
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: fix their third down defense. There are reps on film
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: of their third down defense where they have good rush,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: they have good coverage, They just need to marry the
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: two of them together more consistently. So I think they
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: can be better on third down. You're better on third
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: down you get off the field that you don't give
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: up all these points, You don't give up all these yards,
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: right because you're not extending drives. Now, I want to
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: talk about the forty nine Ers game specifically. The forty
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: nine Ers game to me came down to personnel. When
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: the Patriots opened the game and nickel, they got run
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: on in nickel, so they adjusted to base. That was
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: the game. So in nickel defense they were giving up
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: almost seven yards of carry. It was twelve for like
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: eighty yards right around that range when they got into
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: the game. Very first play of the game is an
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: outside zone play to Deebo Samuel. He goes for eight yards.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: And then as soon as they started giving up all
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: those yards on the ground, they put heavy personnel on
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: the field. They put base defense on the field. And
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: what does Kyle Shanahan do. He goes over the top,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: he starts throwing the ball, and then they throw on
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: base defense. They have five explosive plays in the passing
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: game against base defense. Brock Purty averaged sixteen yards per
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: attempt against base defense ridiculous sixteen per attempt per attempt
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: in that game on Sunday.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: What do you have to say about Rock Party?
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Evan, good game by Brock, good game by Kyle. But
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: this ye have to say about Rock Party, This stuff,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: this stuff isn't complicated. Though they they hit four explosives
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: on the same concept, the same post cross concept, they
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: didn't do it. This was not even in Kyle's bag,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Like he wasn't even in the deep part of the
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: bag yet, Like he was just he didn't even need
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: to dust off those plays, like the plays that he
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: would call in like a big game, right, like he
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: was just this was day one install type stuff for
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: the forty nine ers that they were straight the Patriots with.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: When it comes to coaching there, first of all, there's
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: no reason why Jelanni Teva should be the Tampa two
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: linebacker and base defense and covering Brandon Ayuk and Juwan
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Jennings twenty five yards down the field. That is not
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: on Jolannie Devai. That's not his game. That's not what
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: he's here for. That's not what he's built for. That's
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: a coaching issue. You can't allow Jilannievie to be in
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: that position where he's covering those guys, and it's.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Not just that, it's not just like, that's not what
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: am I trying to say? Like, remember the first year here,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: he was like bad and we were all like, why
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: is Johnny Tevai here? And then Bill came out in
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: the summer and was like He's gonna make the team.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: We were like what.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: And then his first year here he was playing this role,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: he was playing off the ball. So they have seen
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: him in this role in this defense and it not work. Yeah,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: So it's not even like all right, well our depths then,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: so we gotta try this. You know, he's not the
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: guy for that, because they they tried that when did
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: you get here?
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Twenty two?
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I think right twenty one around there? They try that
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: with him and it didn't work.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they have him playing in a bad position
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: for him. You know that's not going to work. Him
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: playing that far down the field and having to cover
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: receivers and you know athletic receivers, good receivers, you know,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I you Brandon Deebo, Samuel Dwan Jennings like really good players. Right,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: you can't have a two hundred and fifty pound linebacker
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: doing that sort of stuff that to me is coaching.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: And what it goes back to is I thought about
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: this after I watched this game and I saw the
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: splits of Bass Nickel and like all this stuff that's
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: going on from the personnel standpoint, and I know it's unfair,
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: but we all are doing it. I'm sure what would
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Bill have done? What would Bill have done in this spot?
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: And my reaction to what Bill would have done in
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: this spot was he would have said, if you want
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: to run the ball forty times and average six yards
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: of carry against our nickel defense and shorten the game
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: for us and give us a chance to stay in
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: this thing because it's thirteen ten in the fourth quarter,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: because we both ran the ball forty times, have at
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: it be my guest he would not have pulled the
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: plug on Nickel as quickly as this regime did. Right
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: like he would have held his water. And maybe if
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: they got into halftime and they were twenty to nothing
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: and halftime and it was a real real issue, like
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: they were averaging. You know, they had one hundred and
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: fifty rushing yards at halftime and they just couldn't even
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: come close to stopping the run game. Then maybe there
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: would have been a big adjustment.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Well what do you think he would have done, like
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: factoring and they couldn't set the edge, not just containing
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: the quarterback in the pocket, they couldn't set the edge
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: in the run game.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: So I just think it's hard to play that way
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: if you can't set the edge in the run game, right.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: I think from a personnel standpoint, he would have told
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: them to keep running the ball, you know, not literally,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: but you know what I'm saying, Like he would have said,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: it's fine, just run the ball. We're what we're not
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: gonna do is we're not gonna allow the explosive pass
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: plays through the air. We're not gonna allow you to
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: hit the pat You're gonna be able to run the
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: ball today, but you're not gonna be able to And
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: this game would happen was is they let the Niners
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: do both. The Nyers could do whatever they wanted. They
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: could pass it, they could throw it, they could run it,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: they could do whatever they want. Bill would have shut
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: off one of those faucets, right, Like, you can have
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: one way, but you can't have it the other. And
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: most of the time towards the end. I would say,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I don't know what it was like in the beginning,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: but most of the time he would give up the run.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: He would say, just run the ball. Run the ball
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: forty times. We'll run it forty times, it'll be seventeen
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: to thirteen, and we'll see where the cards lie at
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: the end of the game. Like that, That's how I
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: feel like it would have gone with Bill. The other
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: thing that just came to me that I felt was
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: kind of annoying to an extent, or just not annoying.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Annoying is the wrong word. I just thought was interesting
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: was on Saturday, I was at the Giants game and
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: they sign Isaiah Bolden to the fifty three man roster,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: and I'm thinking to myself, Huh, this might be creative,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: this might be different. Maybe they're thinking of playing Isaiah
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Bolden in the nickel instead of Marcus Jones because they
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: know that Kyle Shanahan is gonna put the nickel in
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: the run fit, like they know they're gonna run it
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: at the edge and they're gonna run it at one
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: hundred and eighty pounds of Marcus Jones, who on the
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: very first play of the game on the eight yard
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: carry I mentioned earlier, gets turned outside of his gap
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: by Juwan Jennings and just has like no chance. Like
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: it's a six three, two hundred and fifteen pound guy
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: against a five foot eight hundred and eighty pound guy.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Do you do the math, like who's gonna win that battle?
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: So I thought, Okay, maybe they're gonna give Isaiah Bolden
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: a chance to play the nickel. That way, there you
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: have a more athletic guy that can drop in coverage
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: and do those types of things. But he's bigger, and
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: he's longer, and he's heavier than Marcus Jones, and that
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: might allow him to hold up in the run game
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: against Nickel. Didn't play, didn't play till the very end
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: of the game when it was garbage time. Three safety Nickel.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: I get they lost Dugger at halftime, but it could
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: have been Pettis Hawkins as your deep safety. Is Jabriel
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: Peppers as as your nickel, right, it could have been
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Hawkins as the nickel Peppers deep. Like Hawkins and Peppers
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: are gonna play significant snaps for this team. They are
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: de facto starters, both of them. So it's not like
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: I'm putting in Peppers a captain, I know, but I'm
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: just talking about Hawkins. You know, I'm not putting in
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: a guy we just signed from the practice squad yesterday.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: I'm putting in a guy that's playing for us in real,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: real significant time. So there was no adjustment like that,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: There was no creativity like that. Their adjustment was to
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: go base. They they got into base, they began stopping
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: the run and base, but then they gave up the
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: pass plays and it just felt to me like they
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: had coaching wise, they just really did not have an
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: answer for any of it, which is demoralizing. I just
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know where they go on that side of
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: the ball right now, because they are underperforming by my expectations,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: and I haven't seen this coaching staff the chops yet
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: to adjust on the fly and make a good adjustment.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm with you, And I also just
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: think sometimes what you have to do when all right,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: the game plan's not working, You gotta tell your blue
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: chip players go out there and make a play. Who
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: are they telling to do that at this point? Like
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: teams aren't throwing your Christianzalz. You can't really do that
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: with a corner, right You had in these situations. Matthew
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Judon go out there and make a play. Christian Barmer
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: will go out there and make a play. The closes
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: they have is Keon White, who's getting a ton of attention. Now,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: you don't really have another guy it's supposed to be
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: josh U Chip. You don't really have another guy you
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: can turn to for that.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I would like to see this staff.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: They've been pretty vanilla on the defensive side of the
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: ball so far. Maybe some of that is is injuries,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but really, three weeks in a row,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Ryan Grubb, Nate Hackett, who's not a good offensive coordinator
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: with the Jets, and obviously now Kyle Shanahan have had
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: their way with this defense in this coaching staff. On
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: the they've got out coached in three straight games on
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: the defensive side of the ball. This is what happens
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: when you come out Week one against the Bengals, you
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: put some new stuff on film. These coaches are too smart.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: They're gonna watch your film and they're gonna say, oh, like,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: you know, they were doing this last year. It's similar,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: but it's different in you know this way, that way
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: and this way and we're gonna adjust to it, and
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: we're gonna have their play calls ready. We're gonna have
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: our shot plays ready for when they play this coverage
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: or that coverage and they adjust. It's now it's time
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: for Covington and Mayo and Pellegrino and Brian Belichick and
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: all these guys to get back together and figure out
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: a way to adjust to the adjustments. And right now
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: they just haven't been quick enough to that punch. We'll
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: see what they do on Sunday. Yeah, third down the
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: biggest thing to me on third down. Right now, they're
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: thirty first in the league. I don't know if you
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: heard that.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: You didn't mention that.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: I said that seven times because it's can't believe it.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Thirty first in the league on third down, and I
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: should mention this too. Their base defense against San Francisco
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: was fifty eight percent. That was the highest base defense
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: rate they've played in the game in the Next Gen
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: era going back six seasons. That's the highest amount of
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: base they've ever played in the game since twenty eighteen.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Their other Next Gen Era stat that, I'll give you
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: man coverage on third down. They're playing the lowest amount
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: of man coverage they've played in six years on there.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: That one I don't get, especially against the team league.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: We talked about this with the Jets. These bigger receivers
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: you don't especially not to play as at Bolden. You
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: don't have the personnel to you know, kind of physically
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: handle bigger receivers in the middle of the field.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got to win technically, right. So they aren't
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: playing as much third down anymore. They're playing a lot
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: of too high safety shell. They're playing a lot of
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Cover two on third down. When you play Cover two,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: especially two man, which they've played a couple reps in
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: of two man against San Francisco. The big ish with
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: playing Cover two is that there's nobody that's assigned to
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: the quarterback. The quarterback, there's no free defender in the
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: box or at the first let's call it the first
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: two levels of the defense. There's no free defender to
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: mirror the quarterback in the pocket, So as soon as
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: the quarterback gets outside the pocket, he just has free
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: rain out there to do whatever he wants. So they're
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: playing a lot of Cover two with a four man rush.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: So when you play Cover two four man rush, you
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: have those two high safeties up top. What they used
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: to do is they'd play man with a post safety
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the field. And now that other
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: safety is he's in the rat or like a robber roll,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: or he's a spy on the quarterback in the low hole.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Now they don't have that player anymore at the first
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: two levels. So when they run their games and their
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: stunts and there's some pressures and all this kind of stuff,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: there's no second layer to the pass rush. It's either
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: we're getting home or he's getting out, and there's no
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: in between. It's boom or bust. There's no in between.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Right now, it's been a lot of bust. They've been
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: getting pressure, but not the good kind of pressure. It's different.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: What they're doing schematically is a little bit different than
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: what they used to do in the past. I am
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: screaming for them to go back to the five man
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: rush package. We last couple of years it's been Mack
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Wilson in that role, kind of spying the quarterback, marrying
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: the quarterback that way. There you can run your stunts,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: you can run your games, you can run your pressures,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: you can run all that kind of stuff. And Keon
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: White and Joshua Ucha and all these other guys. They
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: can pin their ears back and try to get after
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: the quarterback because they know that Sioni Taki Taki is
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: going to get the quarterback on the ground when he scrambles.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Mac Wilson in the past is going to get the
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: quarterback on the ground when he scrambles. Or they have
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: a robber like Kyle Dugger is playing robber in the
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: middle of the field, so if the quarterback takes off
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: to try to run for the first down, they have
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: somebody that can run and catch up to him and
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: get him down short of the line to gain I
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: don't really like what they're doing on third down. The
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: way that I view what they're doing on third down
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: is that it's very much like Flores Minnesota Vikings type stuff.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: I know the Baltimore stuff has been thrown out there.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: I don't see it that way on film. I see
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: a lot more Flores is running a lot of fire zone,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: like five six man fire zones where they show cover zero,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: but instead of playing man to man, they play zone
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: out of cover zero. What the Patriots are doing is
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: pure cover two most of the time, and there's just
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: these quarterbacks just have all day. It's not because they
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: aren't getting pressured. It's because they're getting out of the
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: pocket when they get pressured. So that has to be somewhere.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it's still in the playbook that the five
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: man rush package. If it's not, it's buried in some
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: desks somewhere in this office. Like, go find it, go
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: dust it off, put it back in the playbook. Because
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: you have guys that can cover in man to man.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: You have Christian Gonzalez who can take a Brandon Aiyuk
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: one on one. You have Jonathan Jones, you can take
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: a Tyreek Killer, a Jalen Waddle. Go back to playing
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: more Manton man on third down, get that fit defender
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: in the rush, get off the field. If they don't
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: do that on Sunday, I'm gonna be really disappointed. Like,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: this is not a simple this is not a hard fix.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: This is a simple fix, and they've struggled with this.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: I hope people understand the two high one high explanation.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: I tried my best, but that that's what I am
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: seeing the most on third down right now is they
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: don't have anybody accounting for the quarterback and they are
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: playing these zones. And then also, you know when they
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: quarterback rolls out, you also have to remember that if
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: let's say Christian Zalez has the flat. If Christian Zalez
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: has the flat, and now he runs up to get
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: the quarterback, the receiver he was supposed to be covering
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: behind them, his ride open. And that's what Aaron Rodgers
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: did for four quarters against the Jets. He would get
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: the defense to come to him and then he'd find
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: the tight ends right when those zone defenders, those short
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: zone defenders came up, he'd find the tight ends right behind.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: The strew just essentially becomes an option play.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's not working on third down schematically.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: I don't think that it's because they don't have pass rushers.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: I don't think that it's because they aren't getting pressure
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: on the quarterback. They are just not marrying it all
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: together very well. Right now, Keon White's getting pressure on
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: the quarterback. Yeah, he might be a one man reckon crew,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: but he's getting there, right, He's getting there. They have
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: to find ways to keep the quarterback in the pocket.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Those are my gripes on the defense. I think there's
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: a lot to chew with that. I really feel like
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: a lot of these things that I am talking about
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: are coaching Like, this is not they don't have the players.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: This is coaching issues. These are things that the coaches
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: can fix, and I'm disappointed that they changed the defense
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: as much as they did. Like, you had a top
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: ten defense last year with a lot of the same
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: people personnel wise, why did you come into this and
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: throw out all the Belichick stuff and start a new.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole draw of drawd Mayo and being able
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: to keep to Marcius Covington. We talked a lot about
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: this when we were doing the coaching stuff back in
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: the winter. Was you want to be able to keep
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: continuity on defense because you're building something on defense, and
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: they haven't done that to this point. Now maybe they're
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: calling it simpler because of the injuries, but again, a
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: lot of these guys are here. You shouldn't need to
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: simplify it for the backups because the backups have been
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: in the system, most of them anyway, So.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: It's definitely frustrating to see.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I do think there is a level of them just
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: playing on discipline, though, and that goes back to your
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: point of either you're coaching it or you're allowing it
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: to happen at a certain point, there isn't a difference.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: But like, I know, there's supposed to be more aggressive
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: in the rush, but I think there's a line between
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: aggressive and reckless. And at a certain point you watch
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: guys just flying by the quarterback coming up the field,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: and it's like, what exactly. I know you're trying to
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: be aggressive, but what exactly does that accomplish.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's some stuff going on with how those
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: edge guys are being coached. Yeah, this year compared to
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: how they have been coached in years past. We know
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: because we've been here. And it's also I feel like
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: our listeners know that with Bill running past the quarterback
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: in the pocket would find you some pine time immediately,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Like if you didn't stay it was you know, level
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: or you know, at the same level as the quarterback
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: or better up the field, you know, closer to the
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. You were not gonna play in Bill
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Belichick's defense, right, whether you were didn't matter who you were,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: you weren't gonna play. The only guy that I saw
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: that Bill allowed to have free reign was Judon. Yeah,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: that's the only guy I've seen in our time covering
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: the team that truly got Carte Blanche to do whatever
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: he wanted.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: It's just two guys. It's at least it's called going
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: back ten years. It's Jude On and it's Chandler Drones. Yeah,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: and they end up trading Chandler Jones instead of signing him.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: So clearly that came to it with an extent, you know,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: But both of those guys could make it work because
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: they were so immensely talented. Nobody on this roster's that
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: town right.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: And whenever Judon would run the arc and get back
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: past the quarterback, there was always somebody there to make
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: them right. Right, There's always somebody there to replace him
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: on the sea gap and get into his gap. Whether
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: it was by design or it was just instinct or whatever,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: those guys were making him whole by allowing him to
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: do that. And right now, Keon White, I'm with Keon
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: White on this a little bit because I sort of
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: feel like if they don't allow Keon White to do
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: what he's doing, they're not gonna have a pass rush.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: So I would allow Keon White to do Keon White like,
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: if you want to go inside, then go inside. I
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: would put the onus on the other guys that are
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: in the pass rush to make him right, like replace
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: the sea gap. You know, if he's gonna run inside,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: and he's gonna say, but this is to Keon White,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: like you have to tell your guys what you're gonna do. Yeah,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: you know if you're gonna say, hey, I've been setting
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: up this inside move. You know I'm gonna I'm gonna
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: run it right now. Third down. We got to get
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: off the field. I'm going inside. Then Dietrich Wise or
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Daniel Qualley or Jeremiah Arms or whoever else is out
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: there on the field with him needs to say, Okay,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: I got you right, Like you go inside. I got
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: it right. And that's how they you know, they've done
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: it in the past. That disconnect is there right now
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: where Devon Goaja says that people are being selfish. I've
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: heard the word freelancing, you know, on their own program.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's necessarily that it's purposeful, like they're
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: trying to not play within the defense. I just don't
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: think the communication or like the execution as a whole
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: is going very well right now. So O Jays screaming
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: up the field and there's nobody that is a second
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: layer for him when he does that. So is that
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Ooja's fault or that guy's fault, Like, it's everybody's fault.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Everybody's wrong, right, So that's something that they need to
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: clean up. Let's talk about the quarterbacks real quick. We'll
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: do three up, three down, We'll get to the phones.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Where do you stand right now with Jacoby Brissett. You
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: know my opinion, but where where do you stand?
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: I mean just kind of so you know, I was
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: a little more defensive of him the last few weeks
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: in terms of people saying he's holding the ball, like, uh,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: it's not holding as long as you think the line
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: hasn't been great whatever, don't get me wrong, Like the
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: line was bad in this game too, But I thought
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: this was his worst game of the year. I think
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: he's starting to get sped up.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's, I.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Mean, his internal clocks off. The thing I notice is
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: it almost seems like he's bracing for contact when contact's
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: not there, right, he's anticipating hits. It's less that he's
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: seeing ghosts in the coverage. I almost feel like he's
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: seeing ghosts in the pass rush. Yeah, where he just
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: like assumes he's about to get hit if he's had
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: the ball for like two secs. I think that's leading
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: to some of his accuracy issues because he's throwing as
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: if he's throwing through contact when there's no contact. And
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know where I've been on jacobd Verssett.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: I think, at the end of the day, nitpicking Jacoby
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Versset's performance, we.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Can do it.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know how relevant it is, just because he's
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: thirty one years old. We know who he is at
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: this point. His growth, his development really isn't of consequence
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: to this team right now. It's all about Drake may
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: having said I thought it was his worst game of
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: the year, and I think you are starting to see.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: I know Alex van Pelt said today that he doesn't
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: think that Brissett's field vision or timing is thrown off
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: because the line I think it is. Van Pelt's not
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: gonna say that he's not gonna throw the guy or
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: the line under the bus. But the fact that a
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: seasoned veteran like Jacoby Brissett has been sped up and
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: is seeing ghosts in just four games, especially four games,
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: are not throwing the ball a toime to.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Me is all the more reason.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: I know people are gonna hate it, but it's all
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: the more reason you'd be patient with Drake May because
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: that is the one advantage Jacoby Brissett definitively has over
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Drake May. He knows how to handle this. He's been
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: in the spot before, he's been on bad teams, he's
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: been on losing teams.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: He's been on teams where.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: He gets hit a lot, and he's in the NFL.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I was about to say no Carolina, Okay,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: but we're talking about you know, two hundred and forty A.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: You see edge rushers, not Nick Bosa or Bradley Chubb
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: coming off the edge for Miami. Right So that doesn't
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: mean Drake can't handle it. I just don't want to
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: risk finding out whether he can or can't right now
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: because Jacoby, again, Jacobra sets the guy like, this guy
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: can handle himself when it's all breaking apart around him. Now,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: there's a talent level to which he you know, capped
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: to which with he can do that. But if a
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: guy like Jacobra sets sped up, that's not a good
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: sign because the one thing he is going for him
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: is that's not usually the kind of guy that gets
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: sped up.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: So the one, the one play where I started to
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: get concerned about his mental wear and tear being sped up.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: It's third down and he just ran straight into the pocket. Yeah,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: like straight up.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Into the posts, just like early in the second half.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: I want to say that that sounds right, I think,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: I think I know a player talking about.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: So it's a it's a mesh concept. So there's the
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: crossing routs over the middle of the field, and then
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: usually with that they pair like a sit right and
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: right over the ball that Hunter Henry runs Hunter it's
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: manton man coverage. The forty nine ers don't cover Hunter Henry,
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: so they blow. They blow the assignment and they don't.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: No one's covering Hunter Henry in the middle of the field,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: And all Jacobe Brissett's got to do is let the
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: crossers clear, just let the picture clear, and just stand
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the pocket and deliver a ball
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: to Hunter Henry, who there's a post safety in the
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: up top, so like maybe he makes the tackle, but
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: if he doesn't make the tackle, then he's running for
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: a while, right, Yeah, So all he's got to do
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: is just let the trash clear from in front of
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: him and just let the seize part and then throw
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: the ball right through the middle of the field to
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Hunter Henry and he runs almost full speed right through
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: the middle of the line and right into a sack,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: like literally right into pressure. And at that point I
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: was like, you know, like that, that looks like a quarterback,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: you know, Nick Bosa. He was coming around the edge
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: a little bit, but like on and when it was okay,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: like it wasn't terrible.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: But Brissette's expecting He's not expecting to have that one right.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Like I could see how Brissette would sense that Nick
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Bosa was starting to turn the corner. But it was
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: one of those plays where two steps up in the
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: pocket would have sufficed, and instead he took five steps
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: up in the pocket. And those types of plays usually
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: happen when a quarterback is sped up or seeing ghosts
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: or feeling pressure that isn't there now. On the same breath,
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: I say all that, and because you know me, I
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: have to call for Drake May at some point of
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: the show, I say that, and I see mistakes like
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: that or just habits like that. Let's call him habits
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: habits like that with Jacoby Brissett. I see him missing reads,
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: I see him missing throws, and I just think to myself,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: a lot of these things are the flaws that I'm
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: told Drake May has, like pocket you know, presence and
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: mobility in the pocket and not you know, drifting into
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: pressure and all that kind of stuff. I would just
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: if perset's gonna make all these mistakes. And then we
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: talked about this with the Jets week about the mental
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: mistakes pre snap. If he's not going to dominate from
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: like the details perspective, then I'm running out of reasons
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: other than your thing of like, don't subject Drake May
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: to this kind of pressure. Yeah, I'm running out of
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: reasons to say that he is the better choice for
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: them at quarterback right now because he's not seeing the field.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: He's not the better choice. He's not like if you're
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: actually trying to go out and go one to oh
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: on the Sunday, he's not the better choice.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: And I don't think anybody's disputed that. But if you
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: want to make sure that Drake May gets off to
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: the start you want him to get off to, yeah,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: then it's got to be Jacoby Ver said at this
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: point because Drake May is not going to have a
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: successful start with the way this line works. I know
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: people are so sick of hearing that, but I'm gonna
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: keep saying it because it's true. This is not your
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: average Let's go to the pressure numbers here.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Well, while you're looking those up, I'll just yea, in
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: my opinion, the areas where I think that Drake May
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: makes them better, he makes them a lot more viable
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: on third down to me, because he can improvise and
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: he can run. So we saw this even against the Jets,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: where he you know, he picks up that fourth down
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: with his legs. Yep. Jacoba Brissette doesn't bring that element
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: to the table. So if there's nobody open in the
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: initial progression and he's looking around and there's nobody open,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Jacoba Brissette is sitting duck back there, there's nothing he
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: can do. Drake May can get out of the pocket,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: he can run, he can pick up the first down
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: with his legs. He can improvise on the move and
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: run and make throws on the move.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: But I don't want him doing that consistently because then
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: that becomes a habit and he never learns Okay, so
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: right way to play quarterbacks. So, by the way, yeah,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: so according to Next Gen stats, yes, Jacoby Brissett has
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: been pressured on forty nine point six percent of his dropbacks.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, I have a rebuttal to this, but keep going.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Not only set the highest number in the league, it
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: is the highest number in the next gen era. No
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: quarterback has been pressured that much, at least since twenty eighteen.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Your rebuttal is going to be pressures are caused by
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Jacoby were set holding the ball, according to PFF. Now
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: PFF charts pressures a little differently, so there is maybe
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: something lost in translation.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Now you're crossing swords.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: But Jacoby Weresset among all qualified quarterbacks the fourth fewest
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: percentage of pressures accounted for seven point five percent. The
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: only guys who are are have a lower percentage of
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: pressures on their own responsibility or Geno Smith, Matthew Stafford
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: and Kirk Cousins.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: So this last game against the forty nine ers was
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: the first time where I thought that he was causing
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: his own pressure.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: And I'm with you on that, but I think that
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: some of that, Yeah, I thought he was much worse
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: in that regard, I think I can find that number.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: So he based off of my charting because I actually
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: charted this myself. I had three sacks on Jacoby. Okay,
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: this game, so he sacked six times. I had three
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: of them on Jacoby. I had two other pressures on Jacoby,
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: so we had five of like the sixteen pressure dropbacks
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: were on Brazil.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: So I'm with you on that. But I think the
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: reason that so, why wasn't it like that until now?
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: The overall heat he faced through the first three weeks
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: has led to him just completely losing sense of the
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: pocket and it's gone from bad to worse.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: This is a snowball effect.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: So I think if you put Drake May in a
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: guy who's less experienced, you're probably gonna say, see the
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: same thing happen, and it'll probably happen quicker.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, So I hear you?
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Is it so?
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Sorry?
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Again? The point I wanted to make though when I
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: brought that up, yeah again, forty nine point six percent,
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: fifty percent. This is not and I know I said
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: this last week, but I feel like I have to
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: keep repeating myself. This is not always going to have
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: to learn how to face pressure in the NFL someday.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: This is not your basic NFL pressure that he's facing.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: This is a historic, historic rate. We are in David
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Carr Josh Rosen territory here. This is not normal. This
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: is not something he should have to learn how to handle,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: because this should not be the situation for him beyond
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: this year.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: If it is.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: The problem is with the front office more than anything else,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: because you simply need better players. This doesn't need to
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: be happening. Yes, offensive line plays bad around the league
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: of every everybody's dealing with the same talent pool. Everybody's
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: dealing with the same talent pool, and the Patriots are
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: still making less of it than everybody else.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: So this is not deal with pressure. This is another level. Okay,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: I hear you. But because I can't get off this
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: because it drives me nuts to watch back quarterback play.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: It drives me nuts. You know that, and I know
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: it does, and I can't stand it any longer because
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: I'll give you a couple of tangible examples, and I
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: know we don't have the film, so I'm like explaining things.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: But there's a third down play where he has Kishan
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Boody wide open on an in cut it's that they
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: run it all the time. I'm it's like a little
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: spot underneath and then the incut bends around the spot
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: and you just kind of throw it off of you know,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: the coverage, right, you read out the coverage and you
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: throw it and he's he's staring right at it, like
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: you can see his headgear and it's he's he's staring
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: right at it, and he just holds the ball. He
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: just doesn't pull the trigger. And that happened. You know,
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: I mentioned the Hunter Henry play. I meant, you know,
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: a couple of the quick game concepts.
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: I actually asked him about it in the locker room
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: and he gave me an hod Its answer. But you know,
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: it's each play is individualized. Like sometimes they're he's saying,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: you know, sometimes they're coverage base, Like if it's one high,
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: I'm going to read left. If it's too high, I'm
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: going to read right. Sometimes it's just progression reads right.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: But point being, it's every single play is different of
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: how where he's supposed to open and where his eyes are.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: It feels to me like his eyes are not always
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: in the right places, especially in this last game against
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: the forty nine ers, so well, some of that is
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: and we've talked about this.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: I wonder how much of that's on Van Pelt and
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: what is How are they setting the order of the
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: progressions and could that be changed?
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Because I think it should be changed. I both agree
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: on that.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: But my bigger picture point is I don't doubt Drake
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: May can make that throw. Now when he's getting hit
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: every other drop back and he's taking some of these
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: big shots to Kobe Is and his bell gets run
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: and his ribs start hurting, and now he you know,
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: three seconds becomes two and a half in his head
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: and things like that. Is he still going to make
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: those those throws?
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Then?
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: I get you don't like watching subpar quarterback play. If
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: you put Drake May in for a game or two,
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: it may elevate. But if he's still facing this level
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: of pressure and he's still taking these kind of hits,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: is it Are you consistent that he can keep that
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: level or is he going to fall into some of
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: the same stuff Jacobe Is. I just think that's not
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: worth the risk. If your only reason that you want
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Drake May to play right now is shiny toy, right,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: I am a Patriots fan. I want to watch this guy,
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: because I've heard him talked about. If that is your
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: only reason, it's frankly not a good enough reason, because
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: if it's not handled correctly, he's he's going to turn
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: into exactly what you.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Don't want to see.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: And congratulations, I hope you had fun with your two
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: or three games before.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: He got sped up.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: That's not and I know I sound alarmist, and I'm
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: not saying it has to be perfect. I'm also not
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: one of these people as saying, wait three years and
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: well a guy draft a loft tackle this year, then
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: a right tackle next year, then a wide receiver, then
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: a center, and maybe in twenty twenty eight. No, I'm
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: just saying get to the base level. I'm just saying,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: get to below average, below average, put him in. They
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: are so far from below average right now. When it
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: comes to protecting the quarterback that I think it's an
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: I think it's a non starter. I think it has
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: to be a non starter because yes, you may get
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: that bumping quarterback play for one or two games US
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: where girodmeo use. It's not sustainable, it's not good. Remember
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: when we walked away from that first game and I
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: came in here and I said the line play was
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: really bad and it was still better than we thought,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: and he was like, wow, they played poorly, but he won.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: That's part of what wasn't sustainable.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: You can't let your quarterback get hit like that week
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: after week after week, no matter who he is. Even
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Brady would get affected by this stuff from time to time.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Now he could bounce back. He was also in the
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: league for twenty years and never faced anything like this,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: so he had a little more tools at his disposal
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: and never had to dig himself quite out of this
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: kind of hole. But I just think that it's it's
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: not again, you're so far beyond what he's gonna have
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: to deal with. Even if you want the shiny new toy,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: shine's gonna wear off real quick. I think if you
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: put him in this situation.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, so I have one more rebuttal for you. Yeah,
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: because you know that we're we're not gonna move from
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: our points on this. But I still think it's where talking.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Well, I guess sorry, let me just say one more thing.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: These people are probably hearing this saying, well, he shouldn't
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: play this season. I still think there's so I think
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: there's value in playing this season. I think ideally he
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: should for three reasons.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: One his development. Two.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: I guess it's kind of two way to be the
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: developmental players around him, guys like Jalen Polk, guys like
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Pop Douglas.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: And also for the front office.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: You get to see what he looks like in the
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: context of your off offense and you, I mean, you
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: get an idea of who he is in college. Now
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: you get a better idea, and it's all right, maybe
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: we need to focus more on this than we thought her.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Maybe we don't don't need this kind of player as
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: much as we thought, or things like that. In three,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: you'll put him out there to get some plays on
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: tapes as a sailing point to free agents. Look at
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: what this kid can do. We're trying to build around him.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: But if he's facing this much pressure, can you actually
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: accomplish any of those things even if he is on
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: the field.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess this is just where we and I
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: agree with all the point.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: If you just get to a point where he can
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: where you can accomplish some of those things, even if
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: it's not pretty, then I'm okay putting him in. If
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: you can allow if you can get to a point
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: where you can start building chemistry with Jalen Polk, where
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: he can start, you know, really seeing an NFL defense.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: And I don't mean see a second of it and
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: then have to run for his life. I actually mean
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: get three seconds in the pocket to see it and
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: digest it.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Yea.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: If you if you can get to the point where
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: he and throw the ball down the field and put
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: some things on tape that wide receivers might like to see,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: that's when you put him in the game. I'm just
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: starting to wonder if they're gonna get to that point
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: this year.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, So I agree with a lot of things that
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: you said, and you know that I am definitely hard.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say something I don't want to say.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: I'm definitely in the school thought that the development of
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: the pieces around him isn't just as important. I said
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: this all last week, right the development of the pieces
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: around him is just as important and right now. And
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: I want to get to that in a second. But
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: the point of the pressure to me and I understand.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: I agree that it's not going to be good, but.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: I agree with that it's never gonna be good this year.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: I really strongly believe in pressure being as much of
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: a quarterback status in an offensive line stat in a
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: lot of ways. And I really strongly believe that he
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: won't be pressured as much as Jacob Eber said because
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: of what he's going to bring to the table. Does
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: that mean that he's gonna be pressured at a at
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: a league average rate at a below app I don't
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: know the exact number. Yeah, I just don't think it's
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: going to be forty nine percent. I think it's gonna
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: probably be closer to forty percent. How confident are you
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: that it's gonna drop enough? Because this is where I
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: go back to that other take.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: You can't put him out there thinking it's gonna be better,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: realize it's not better, and then bench them.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: You can't do that, so I hear you. I I
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: don't know if you can't do that. Though you can't. No,
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: you can't. We just let me let me finish. I
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: don't know if you can't do that. If you that's
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: the plan, like if you telled him, and this is
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: I'll give you a perfect example. Because of Sunday, I
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: personally feel like it's ludicrous. He is not playing this
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: game on Sunday. Okay, it's a home game against Tyler
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Huntley and a Miami Dolphins team that is quite literally
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: like revolting against their head coach at this point and
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: against their team. They No. Two was not coming back
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: anytime soon. They had playoff and maybe even contender aspirations
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: this season that they're all watching go by the wayside
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: because their quarterback got another concussion. Tyreek Hill, who I
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: know is a hothead to begin with, but did you
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: see what he was doing on Monday night on the sideline. Yeah,
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: he's going up and down the.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Sideline screaming Mike McDonnel at Mike McDaniel, be a better coach.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: And all this stuff is happening in Miami right now.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: If you went to Drake May and I know this
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: is some people are gonna hear this and say, oh,
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: it's that's really disrespectful of the Dolphins. Yeah, I don't
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: really give a crap. If you go to Drake May
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: and you say, this is a nice game for you
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: to play in, So we're gonna play you. We're gonna
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: start you on Sunday. If it's your thing, and it's
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: a disaster with the protection and everything like that, we
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: might go back to Jacoby after this, but we still
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: want to see what it looks like with you in there.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: You have If you're gonna do that, you gotta come
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: with stones, because one, you risk ticking off Drake may
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: and does he look at it and say no once
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: I'm the starter on the starter, but you risk off off,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: you risk ticking off Jacoby. Maybe Jacoby says, because he
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: he gave that quote the other day that he thinks
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: it's disrespectful when people say he's just here to take hits.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: That is literally the definition of Jaco telling Jacoby you
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: are here to be a crash test dummy. Does he
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: gonna you know what, fine, if you don't want me here,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: trade me if you don't want to go sit down
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: with Joe Milton him where I would not be surprised
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: if you were upset by something like that. And then
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: you have us. You are you are really unleashing the dogs.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: You are opening a Pandora's box with the media. Why
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: do you bench Drake? Did you not think he was good?
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: Do you regret the pick? I don't think you start
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: answering that. I don't think it's a great idea either.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: I'm just sicking idea. I don't think it's a terrible
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: it's a terrible idea.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: I disagree you, But I would you bet your job
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: on that working, because that's what you're doing.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: This spot is too good to pass up. Like they're
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: literally playing a team that might actually be work. You're
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: favored for the first time.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: So what if you win ten to six and Drake
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: May gets his ass kicked? You have to evaluate that
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: and you have to be you're gonna win with Drake May.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: I don't realize the kids in danger and go back
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: to Jacoba said you have to consider that option.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: We're gonna you do that.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: We're gonna disagree that wild take. That is a care
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: wild take. You could you're asking for Could it work
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: so here?
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: But I think you're asking for a lot of trouble.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Here's my problem, Max, and I don't want to be
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: alarmist or like hyper hyper what's the word. I don't
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: want to speak, Yeah, hyperbolic? Thank you? I don't, but
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: I was in that locker room after the game on Sunday.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: The defense is mad at the defense, the offense is
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: mad at the offense. You have young receivers who are
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: literally throwing tantrums on film and Pop Douglas and Jalen Polk,
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: And good on Pop Douglas for owning that this week
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: and walk it, you know, kind of saying that he's
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: got to be better and all that kind of stuff.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: But I said this before and I'll say it again.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: You're at the point now, with fifty two other guys
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: in that locker room that I'll watch these two quarterbacks
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: practice every single day that all know that they drafted
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Drake may third overall. And at what point in time
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: does some of these guys say to themselves, why am
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: I going out there and getting my butt kicked every
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: single Sunday? And Drake can't? Like, why am I going
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: out there with a quarterback who can't get me the
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: football when we have the Ferrari back in the garage
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: that can get me the football. But I'm supposed to,
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: I'm Jalen Polk. I'm supposed to go run every single
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: route as hard as I can, and I'm supposed to,
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: you know, put lay it all out on there for
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: the team. What team? Remember the Titans. I thought of
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: this the other day, right, like what team? What team?
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: Then you have to make the switch, That's what I'm
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: worried about more than and I think, but then you
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: have to make the switch that you don't get to see.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, don't get bogged down by that. In my opinion
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: about Sunday, I just think it's crazy that he's not
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: playing on Sunday. That's it. I'm just saying to you
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: that right now you have players who are visibly inaudibly
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: frustrated with what's going on with this team and what's
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: going on with this offense and this lack of passing offense.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: And you can say that, who's Jalen Polk and who's
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: to Mario Douglass to act this way? But the film's
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: the film. When guys are getting open on the film,
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: they're not getting the football, they're going to start to
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: get annoyed, point blank like that's just the facts. And
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: right now they're sitting the best quarterback that they have
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: on the roster, and I worry that they're going to
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: start to really resent the coaching staff in the front
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: office for making this decision. And some guys like I
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: think Hunter Henry is a real stand up veteran guy,
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: David Andrews, even though he's not going to be playing
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: the same thing. Those guys will understand the bigger picture
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: and they'll be able to put their own feelings to
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: the side. Some of these younger players, some of these
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: other veterans, I can't. I don't know if I can
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: say the same. For it is Devon Godshaw gonna gonna
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: keep sounding off on radio about his teammates being selfish
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: and all this kind of stuff. If they keep losing
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: like this and they'd.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Rather Godshaw sound off, then guys be selfish. They are,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: but not so we said this a lot like if
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: the locker room, the locker room's gonna dictate in large
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: part when you make the change. We talked about that
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: and it happened with macken Zappi, and that's true. Is
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: changing the quarterback going to do that? If I mean
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: we're talking about what maybe two or three plays a
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: game that it's would you have Jacobe down for his
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: pressures six three sacks, five pressures, so I'm talking about
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: five plays a game. Are they frustrated with the quarterback
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: situation or are they frustrated like changing the quarterback doesn't
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: do anything for the defense.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, as it does because they're gonna score more points.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: But if guys are still freelancing. Guys are still I
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: don't think you're gonna see guys that well Drake Mayson
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: out there, so I can't freelan.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: It's like, I don't think but I think that the defense.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: For three years, the defense has been the only thing that.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: Are they going to be able to score that many
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: more points to be that much more effective with the line.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: I just think the line sets too much of a cap.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: And again I'm not saying don't put Drake May in,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: but Drake May is not a be all, end all
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: fixed for everything that ails them.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: It's not. But I think that Drake May makes it
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: a lot better. I don't know about a lot a
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: lot better. And if I'm gonna sit there on Sunday
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: and watch Jacob said throw pick sixes, anyways, i'd rather
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: watch Drake May throw pick sixes. And I'm not talking
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: about to watch it, but I wouldn't.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: But but I almost wouldn't because.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: But all you all you people that want to sit
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: him forever. Yeah, all all you people think that, like
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: it's just that him sitting is gonna mean when he
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: comes in eventually that he's going to be this perfect
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: quarterback at that point, like he's still gonna have to
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: learn on the fly. Then did Jordan Love just come
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: in more support around you think as he learned? You think?
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: I think so did George. Well, we talked about this
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: when we were talking about the packaway in the offseason.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: Jordan Love didn't take off until the second half of
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: last year. His first half of last year, he had.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: Issues, but he had more support around him. If the
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: rest of the roster wasn't as good, do those issues
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: maybe get exacerbated and pile up and turn into bad
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: habits and turn into things you can't Okay.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: So when can we We'll sit him till twenty twenty?
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: All right? How about this? All right? We can make
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: sure that a guy perfect situation before we put him
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: in there.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: Can we have a guy in an offense that is
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: predicated and involves the center doing a lot of the
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: pre snap work. Can we have a guy who is
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: not starting his first ever game in the NFL at
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: center that Drake May makes his first start. I don't
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: think that's an unfair ass Can we have a guy
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: at left tackle who was with the team in camp? Okay,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: if you if you do feel like very baseline ass Okay,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: but if you do these things, yeah, and you continue
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: to play like this and they're one in six, they're
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: one and seven, they're one in eight, and they keep
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: on losing, not just losing, but getting blown out of
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: these games, not competitive football games. I just don't know
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: how you keep going back into that form and having
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: all these guys shouldn't look at you and say to
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: the young receivers, you say to the defense, you say
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: to even the veteran guys like even Hunter Henry and
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: Austin Hooper and Ramandre Stevenson and Antonio Gibson who signed
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: a contract here to come here as a free agent.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: We're not gonna play the best guy. We're not gonna
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: We're gonna keep losing. We're gonna keep getting our butts kicked.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: We're gonna keep losing by multiple touchdowns. We're not gonna
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: be competitive, and we're gonna keep doing this because we can't.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: We have to protect Drake. Look, you're the one of
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: the offseason that was lauding the pack away and and
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: you know patience, And when.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: Did I lad that I've been wanting to Drake mad
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: to start since I was.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: Before they had Drake may I was the one saying,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: can they at least sign a couple guys in frequency
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: so they have a base level. Look, I'm coming back
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: to you on this. I said last week. When you
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: have an offensive line of Venerian Lowe City so David Andrews,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: Mike and Wnhu, Kaden Wallace, that's when.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: Because that's your best five.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: Two of those guys are out long term. Now at
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: this point, since I said that, I'm willing to go
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: to Vederian Lowe, Michael Jordan, Nick Leverett.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: I don't, I don't even know.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: Just get can we start the same line for two
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: weeks in a row before Drake May takes over.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: That's I imagine then to go out there in the
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: first game that you're covered at home, or that you're
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: favored at home against a third string quarterback, and we're
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: gonna we're not gonna take this opportunity to play Tyler Huntley.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: Drake May is not facing Tyler. Understand the point. The
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: point is is that they should be able to win
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: this football game, right.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: But I think the opponent is irrelevant and I would
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: rather Drake May. I think it's better for them that
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: Drake May looks good in a loss than plays Portland
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: get the crap beat out of him and a win.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: I just we're never gonna agree on this, So I'm
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: just gonna move on because I just, I, for the
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: life of me, I understand that you're not one of
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: these people that wants to sit him forever. I get that.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: I literally keep lowering the standards, but it's just has
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: to be some standard, No.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: I hear you. I just I really start to get
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: I was already concerned about it last week. Yeah, and
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: just for the I'm not doing a victory lap. I
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: already saw some of the stuff that what Jacob were
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: said on film against the Jets, and I came in
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: here and I said against the Jets that he's stunk.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: And then last week and now all of a sudden
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: he plays bad against the forty nine ers, and I'll
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: thank you. Welcome to the party. He's been here for
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: three weeks.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: And I don't disagree with you. I just and I've
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: said this since April. Jacoby Brissette's level of play should
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: be independent from Drake May's.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: T Tell that to Jalen Pulkin Pop Douglas.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: If you're a good coach, you figure out a way
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: to sell it this old player's coach, right, you gotta find.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: Way what happens. In my opinion, Uh, it's very easy
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: for Elliott Wolf to look at it this way. Yeah,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: and he's probably right like you guys are probably right
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: to be patient, and Elliot Wolf is probably looking at
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: it this way. It's very different on the head coach
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: level down because those are the guys that are in
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: the trenches day in and day out of the season
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: and they have to tell these guys, hey, we're gonna
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: get on a fight to London in a couple of
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: weeks to play the Jaguars. We're one in seven. We
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: have our best, you know, not our best quarterback is
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: going to play in this game where we might lose
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: to a stinky Jaguars team, and then we're gonna come back.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: This is why I if I was Elliot Wolf, I
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: would have done more in the offseason.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: Two. It's very easy to prepare for this from the
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: perch in the GM chair to look down and say packerway,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: be patient. You know he's not ready, YadA, YadA, YadA.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: When the team and the fifty three guys on the
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: in the locker room are getting there. But but again.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: This is where I go back to. I would have
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: signed an actual left tackle. I would have added more
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: depth on the offense. We can't fair enough, but you
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: know what we need. I guess my point is, sorry,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: this is the bed you made, you lay in it.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: Your plan was to be patient, and this was the
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: offense you brought to a plan to be patient, you
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: don't get to you don't get to change course. Now
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: stick to your plan.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: Do you know what we need?
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: Light?
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: We need a bud Light because it's easy to drink,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: it's easy to enjoy. Bud Light, the official beer sponsor
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: of the New England Patriots. Let's take some of these
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: phone calls and then we'll get back to three up,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: three down, because we just went on for longer than plans.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: So your quote got picked up on Twitter. By the way,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: good about the locker room?
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: Oh not great? Okay, I'll deal with you know, I'll
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: deal with that later. Dylan is in Florida. What's up, Dylan? Dylan? Sorry,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: I left John hold for a while. Call back in,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: Dylan and we'll get you on. I'm assuming Patty is
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: still here. What's up, Patty? I know Patty's still here.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: Do we speak to Patty. Patty, oh morel that one hurts.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: That one hurts, all right, He'll probably call back in
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: Let's try one last time, Sean and Vancouver. What's up, Sean.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: Otob you?
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: Oh goodness, thank you.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 6: Hey, Evan.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry I missed you in San Francisco. Buto, what
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: a beautiful weekend despite the loss. Next time, maybe in Miami.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: I'll be down for that game at the end next month,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: so I hope to see you then go onto a
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: business in hand. It's been four months. This is the
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: game that I circled for Drake made to start. So Evan,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: I'm right with you, very disappointed that's not going to happen.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: I was predicting a win. I was just like the
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: most confident I've been in a long time that the
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: Patriots will win a game. Now, I like someone could
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: someone ask the coach, like in a press conference, is
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: Drake may not ready? Is that because that's the only
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: reason I can see him not playing that they think
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: he's not ready and I'm not there.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: I don't know, but otherwise.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: He really should be in there for defense. You know,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: they actually had discipline in that Cincinnati game. In the
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: first game they had the discipline, and I know they're
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: missing Bentley and that's a big part of it. And
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: Dougar was gone, so I don't know who's going to
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: have the green dot. But they can have the discipline again.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: They can do it, they can fix it. It's the
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: Patriots way, you know, do your job. I don't think
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: it's selfish to say that you're trying to do someone
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: else's job. Like like if you look at a specific
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: play where Peppers leaves Kittleton because he sees d book
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: is uncovered and he's trying to fix that. It's not
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: that he's like, oh, I want to take the glory.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: He's like, oh shit, looks what's happening.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: Sorry, but Evan does it all the time.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 6: It happens.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So you just got to just focus on do
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: your job and just trust that the other players would
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: do their job. And that's the Patriot's way, and that's
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: what they have to do moving forward. All right, I'll
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: let you guys talk about that.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: Thanks. Thanks Sean. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. Like
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: this defense has has lost the do your job mentality.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: Now part of me wants to come to the defense
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: of some of the guys that are playing out on
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: the edge from some of the conversations I've had this
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: week with them, because I do think there is an
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: element that they're being coached a little bit differently, Like
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: I think they're being asked to do things a little
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: bit differently than they would in the past now.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: Clearly because they've been doing this and they're still on
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: the field. So the coaches don't have a problem no.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: Other no coaches ever telling the somebody to rush and
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: let the quarterback out of the pocket. Like that's not
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: in a playbook anywhere in football, from high school to
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: college to the NFL. No, no scheme is designed to
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: invite the quarterback to get out of the pocket, right
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: That's not how it works. But at the same time,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: they are, i think, are trying to be more aggressive.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: They're trying to get up the field more and make
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: more splash plays in the backfield. They're trying to pressure
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: the quarterback a little bit more and not prioritize, contain
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. Mush rush, you know,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: like that Bill used to prioritize, and right now it's
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: just that's backfiring a little bit, and it's maybe it's
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: just some growing paints like maybe in by week twelve,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: we're not talking about this and it's a lot better,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: you know. I don't know. I would allow for that
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: as well, so maybe that's a possibility to all right,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: Patty is back. I knew he would be. What's up, Patty, guys? Hey?
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 6: Sorry, I was working, well, I am working, and I
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 6: hit the and button on my phone on accident. So good,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 6: nothing you guys did, all right, So, Alex, I'm one
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 6: Patriots fan that I just want to see the kids
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 6: play because I look at my eyeball tests and looking
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 6: at the numbers, they're averaging under one hundred and thirteen
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 6: yards pass in per game. Yeah, and I mean, you're
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 6: not gonna win. And something tells me that may might
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 6: be able to get out of pressure a lot better
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 6: than Jakobe Brissett because he could actually take off and move.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 6: But I also wanted to throw a couple of things
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 6: that at both of you guys. Evan, I know you
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 6: love Kyle Shanahan, but the worst part about the game
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 6: Sunday was was losing to him. I can't stand him,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 6: you know, And I hated Mike Shannon and too. He
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 6: looks like a friggin rat, but Alex, I just got
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 6: to say. Georgia versus Alabama eventually lived up to the hype.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 6: But the game of the weekend probably the game, the
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 6: best college game I've probably seen since the two thousand
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 6: and seven Fiesta Bowl was Miami Virginia Tech. It was
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 6: such a crazy ending that it made me lose my
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 6: It made me jump out of my seat. And like
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 6: any real football fans who are out there, like who
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 6: don't watch college football, you're really missing out because it's
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 6: a great game, it's a great product, and and you're
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 6: gonna be seen. Guys, I've been playing in the league.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, not you, No, I know.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: That's corrected him. I think I texted you and asked
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: if you were watching, You're like, why would I be
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: doing that?
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: Well, I asked you why I would be doing that
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: because I was in San Francis for the first time.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: I was sightseeing. That's fair. No, that they were both
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: awesome games, Patty and I. By the way, I think
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: the officials got the call right. They should have never
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: called it a touchdown on the field.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: But awesome, awesome slate.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: This weekend, this past weekend, great college football.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 6: Yes, sir, all right, that's all I got.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: Guys, Thanks Patty, thanks for the call. Yeah I did.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: Actually we did want to watch that game. Yeah, we
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: just didn't get back to it. Fair aunt time.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: Did you see what happened?
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: You've seen the replace since as well. Yeah.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: On uh, he says something about Drake Man. I don't
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: remember what I Oh, no, it's not really I thought
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: he was gonna say something that he didn't. Never mind, Okay,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: all right, can I I'll just say it, because now
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: I gave the tease. Can I give you a Drake
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: May take that. I think people are gonna hate, but
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: I actually I stand by this. Yeah, because everybody's doing
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: Drake Ma or Shane Daniels now right. Yeah, let's say
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: Commanders took Drake May second and the Patriots took or
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: even people, Oh, they shouldn't have won those games last year.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know what.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: Did you want Bailey's happy to purposely throw picks? Did
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: you want Chad Ryland to purposely missed the field goal?
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: And so like Chad Ryland did miss the field goal
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: against the Giants that got us Drake Man.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I don't know. I don't understand. I hate
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: that they won. How many games they won. Tanking happens
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: from the GM up. He can't fault players for that. Yeah,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: it's not a real You can be annoyed, but it's
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: not like a realistic take to expect it. But let's
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: even say that the Patriots drafted second took Jane Daniels.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: I still think they would have taken Drake May. But
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: let's say they took jayde Daniels second, and the Commanders took.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: Drake May third.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: I think right now we would be in the same spot,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: and Drake May would be lighting it up in Washington
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: and we would be wondering why they're not playing jayde Daniels.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: I think this is an organization thing. I think it's
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: an Elliot Wolf, Alex man Pelt Packer Way thing, not
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: a Drake May thing. That's not to say Drake May
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: will be good, but if he was in Washington, he
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: would have Cliff Kingsbury. He would have an offensive line, which,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: by the way, I think everybody's well, the Washington line's
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: bad to I think they're ranked like eleventh this year.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: They've gotten better. They've gotten better.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: He would wear ranked poorly coming into the Okay, he
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: would have Terry McLaurin. Yes, like Jerry Rice, Terry mclaurin's
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: a good player, come on, good right, he's better than anybody.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: I heard. It is Jerry Rice who said that. Just
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: it just seems like we're like, Terry mccorin is a
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: really good player. Yeah, but is he the like if
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: this Patriots team had Terry McLaurin, you'd feel comfortable with
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: Drake May playing.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: More, not outright, but more. But but it's not even
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: about comfort. It's about no, but this is my point. Yeah,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: it's about it's about the production, not so much like
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: like the process of putting him in. Well, if they
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: had just you know, if they just lost the game
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: and draft j Daniels or if they're just trying to
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: trade up, I think Jane Daniels would be sitting here.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: I think this is a a front office philosophy thing,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: not a Drake May versus jayde.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: And Daniels thing.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: It's a it's a uh, why am I blanking on
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: the head coach?
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: There a twenty eighty three guy dan Quinn.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: It's a dan Quinn, Cliff Kingsbury, Adam Peters, Peters thing
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: versus Elliott wolf Drawdo, Alex Van Pelt. I think the quarterbacks,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: if you switch them, both teams would still be approaching
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: it the same way.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: So really quickly. Then I do want to move on
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: some other stuff. But what what makes me a little
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: bit irked about the Washington situation is not you know
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: that I'm cool with Drake.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: May he wanted Cliff Kingsbury.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: They not only could, but Adam Peters would have been
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: so they could have had defensive minded head coach Girodd Mayo,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: Adam Peters Cliff Kingsbury and they could have basically had
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: the same set.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: So I'll say this, if they had hired Cliff Kingsbury
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: and Adam Peters instead of Elliott Wolf and Alex Van Pelt, Yeah,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: and then you know it all played out the same.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: I think Drake may would be playing right now, ye,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: all other things the same. I'm curious if you agree,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: but like it's not a we can debate. D Do
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: you think it's a philosophy it's a philosophical thing.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: Drake may May be there starting right now and be
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: having a ton of success, and Jane Daniels would be
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: here on the bench and we'd be sitting here saying
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: why aren't they playing Jayde Daniels. I'd probably be digging
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: in harder honestly for them not to play him, because
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: durability was one of his major questions coming out. But
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: I just I had that thought this week that it's not,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: oh well, they couldn't get Drake May ready and washing
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: and got Jane Daniels ready.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: It's not an ability to do it. It's a willingness
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: to do it well. And I I know last week,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: I I probably contradict myself a little bit with this,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: but it does. It's worth noting that Jade and Daniels
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: made like sixty career starts in college.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jane Daniels also more experienced, he was more.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: Pro ready, like he obviously totally different athletes, totally different ability,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: but like he was more Mac jonesy in that sense,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: right where like he was known coming into the draft
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: like this guy can play for you right away, right
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: like that that that's a big difference between Drake may
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: And and Jade and Daniels. All right, let's do three up,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: three down. Then we'll talk some Miami Dolphins. And I'm
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: telling you we've got we got the people fired up
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: with the Drake May conversation, and I do find it
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: kind of depressing that that's the only thing people want
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: to hear us write or talk about. But I digress.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: Let's do three up. I'm right in the I'm doing
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: a h kelvin banks sports dot Com. There's a question
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: here for with that, so I'll let you get to
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: that in a second. I did it two up, four down.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: I've just decided until they actually play a one score game,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be two up, four down.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: I actually managed to forget if I did three year.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: We talked about this last night, and I actually did
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: three seconds of show prep. But when we're texting about it,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: all right, so work for the show. I'll just start
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: we don't. This is off the cuff. It's the best part.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: Number one Jabriel Peppers, Number one up to May Jabriel Peppers.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: Uh comes out of the gate with that big stick
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: on Deebo Samuel. He came to play. He came with authority.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: The interception was phenomenal. Like I'm not even exaggerating, Like
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: that's like an Ed Reid esque interception. He has George
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: Kittle in coverage on the play. In the lower part
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: of the of the coverage, he sees brock Perdy progress
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: off of George Kittle and onto the deep over and
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: he drops off of his assignment and freelance is essentially
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: in a good way this time and drops underneath the
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: route and goes in high points the ball and picks
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: it off adjustment. Yeah, that's an Ed Reid type of
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: interception player. Unreal pass breakup. Earlier on in the game,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: the second to last play of the game, he's still
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: playing through the whistle. He hustles all the way down
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: the field, thirty yards down the field and makes the
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: tackle on the running back with like two minutes to
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: go in a blowout game. That's the type of guy.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: And I he had told I think it was Dacota
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: Randall interviewed him in the locker room today. He told
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: Dakota that Gerrod Mayo put that play up on the
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: board and said, this is what we need more of.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: This is what we need to be about. He is
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: what the Patriots need to be about. Jabreal peppers.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: I've been saying he he he might be one of
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: the most underrated players in the league. Do you remember
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: my kind of ridiculous take when they signed him, No,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: that if they were going to build a core from here.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: He could be this team's Rodney Harrison.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's. He's I don't know if he's as good
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: as Rodney was. Maybe we're nostalgic to Rodney. I mean,
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: like just overall impact. Yeah, he's. He's fantast hone setter,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: you know, leader from the front, things like that. Yeah,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: he was really good. Okay, what do you got, jaln Polk.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's tough because he's not he's not getting
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: the ball, getting the ball. But I wonder why when
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: you watch what he oh yeah, and when Drake may
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: is on his back in two point one seconds because
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: of the pass rush, a whole lot of difference.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: That's maybe Bob. At the time he gets hit, you
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: can't by.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: The time it actually takes the snap to get back
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: you take. I don't know if you remember this from
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: the summer. One of the problems nick LeVert he didn't
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: snap the ball fast.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: So by the time the ball gets back to take
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: he got opened a few times. I think, because this
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: year is is much about development as it his results.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: The deep ball that was ruled in complete realistically off
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: the hand that should be an interception the fact that
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: he just got to that ball to not allow the
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: defender to make a play on it. Forget that close,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: getting that close to making it making it a catch
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: was impressive, and he made a couple other contested catches too.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: I just I think you have to be encouraged not
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: just in this game, but overall what you've seen from him.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: So he looks like a guy that belongs. And to
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: what extent we'll find out at that point you're gonna
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: see have to see Hi getting targeted more and getting
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: the ball more. But he certainly looks like a guy
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: that belongs. He certainly looks like a guy that can
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: make play.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: So I'm swear I'm not doing this with Jalen Pulk
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: to make my point about Drake May, but it's gonna
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: kind of do that too. So he's the type of
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: guy that you need to throw the ball to him.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: You can't lead him into throws because he doesn't have
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: that kind of vertical speed. He doesn't have that second
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: gear to run underneath and over the shoulder or something like.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: He's not Tyreek Hill, right, You're not gonna throw it
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: to a spot fifty yards down the field and expect
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: Jalen Polk to run and down. What you need to
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: do with him is you need to throw it at
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: to a spot like on his body right, like back shoulder,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: throw it over the defender's head. If it's you know,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: the defender has his back to the quarterback, just throw
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: it up to him. You know, he has great hands,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: he's got great body control on the boundary. He is
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: somebody that you need to throw open as the quarterback.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: And I think one of this that they have right
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: now is that perseet in my opinion, mainly because he
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: doesn't want to turn it over, but also just because
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: this isn't really his game. He's not somebody that throws
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: receivers open very often. Jalen Polk is a throw it
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: open type of receiver. He is not going to create
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: three yards of separation, right He's not going to just
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: run by somebody or juke somebody out of his shoes.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: But he's got really sudden moves at the top of
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: a route, and he's got really good body control in hands.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: So when he gets to with a quarterback, when he
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: starts working with a quarterback that's willing to put the
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: ball on him like that back shoulder throw, was when
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: Jacoby more consistently than I think his stats will come
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: and he'll start to show some more flashes. Right now,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: he's just not working with a quarterback that does that
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: sort of thing. My number two up was Devon Godshaw.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: I know the run defense had some of its issues
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: on the edge, but in the middle of the defense,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: I thought he was really good in this game. I
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: had him down with three running three run stuffs in
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: this one, and I just thought that he did his job.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: And I think that's where some of the frustration. I'm
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: sure it comes from on the radio on Monday, where
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: it's like, well, they weren't running it up the middle, right,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: It wasn't It wasn't my fault. So he played pretty
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: well in this game, and he did a nice job.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: Who else do you have?
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: So I have a couple more that I knew you
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: wouldn't cover. Yep, Christian Ellis, that's fair.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: Was so good yea.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: In this game he was made a couple of big
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: tackles on special teams, not just the one reforced and
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: recovered the fumble, by the way, that's a high level play. Yeah,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: there's a punt late in the game when the Patriot
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, they weren't in it, but they're still in
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: theory in it. And the last two weeks I've had
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: special teams punt coverages it down because they've allowed these
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: big returns. They actually get beat initially, and Christian Ellis
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: from behind is able to track down the returner and
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: bring him down inside the twenty. That kind of athleticism,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: that kind of ability to tackle in the open field,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of ready to say, let's maybe see some
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: of Christian Ellis on defense.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: I'm ready to I wrote it in after further review,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: I Taki might put a wrench in that, Yeah, because
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: they're similar players. But Ellis in like the third down
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: pass package, like obvious third down role you were talking
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: about earlier, like whether he's spying, whether he's playing low hole,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: whether he's covering or running back in the flat. You know,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: just taking I know we're picking on him a lot today,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: but just taking like a Tava or McMillan off the
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: field in that situation and putting a more athletic not.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: Even off the field. It allows you to put back
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: on the ed and it allows you to play him
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: in position.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: Maybe Kean bumps inside. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: So Christian ELL's a really good game on special teams
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: and to the point where it's not like, oh, you
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: played well on special teams, You've earned your role.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: Something like that.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: His defense snaps Ford, but also the raw skill he
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: showed translates well to what they need.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: Ye all right? Do the kickers?
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: Well, Joey sly So in instead of franchise record, he
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: does not only.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: That, the Pro Football Rep Friends database on this only
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: goes back to nineteen ninety four.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: But what I just love how you know that? Well
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: because I looked it up. Yeah, he did your drop good.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: He's the only the fourth.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: Kicker since nineteen ninety four to hit a fifty plus
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: yard field goal in a sixty plus yard field goal
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: in the same game.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, And I'm trying to find the Brandon Aubrey one
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: of them probably No, it's uh, Justin Tucker. Justin Tucker
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: was the last one to do it in twenty twenty two. Yeah,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: fifty five and sixty seven. You want to guess the
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: other two? One of them is like, he was arguably
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: the best kicker in the league for a little bit.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: Sebastian Jenakowski now more recent I feel like he has
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: had a huge leg I ei the twenty twelve twenty
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: twelve Keskowski, No, because he made the sixty two yard Yeah.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: No, Greg zerline hit from fifteen sixty and then in
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: two thousand and three, Martine gramatic Man from sixty and
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: he's the only one who hit two sixties. Hit from
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: sixty and sixty two. In two thousand and.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: Three, Martin show slide of the list the worst injury
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: I've ever seen celebrating. No, No, that's when he got hurt, right.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: That was his brother, Bill Grammatica.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: Martin Grammatica had a long successful year by the way.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: Uh fun fact, the guy who replaced Bill Grammatica after
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: that injury, yeah, Tim Duncan. Oh, not that Tim Duncan,
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: but there was a kicker named Tim Duncan.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: No, Martin Grammatica is the brother. He was in the
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: NFL for like twenty years.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: I thought that Martin Grammatica did that too. No, it
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: was Bill. It was his brother Bill. Okay, all right,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: let's uh let's do do you have any more ups?
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: No?
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: Is it? Who's your number?
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 5: One?
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: Down? My I'm glad you. I'm glad you prepared this week.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: But yeah, my number one down was I don't really
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: put him in order, just kind of order.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: I hang of him. I numb one down.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: Skobert said it was his worst game of the year,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: and I feel like this this week he got in
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: the way of the offense more than any other game.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had him on the list. I had number one.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: I the defensive coaching staff. We don't have to belabor
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: the point I've already been over my Missilloqually on that.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: I just thought they got out coached and did not
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: do a very good job of putting players in positions
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: to succeed. With that being said, one of those players,
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: Jelani Tavai, has to have gone the downs ready for
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: this stat His numbers in coverage on Sunday five for
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: five for one hundred and twelve yards, and one of
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: those was a touchdown that got wiped out by a
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: phantom holding call on George Kittle that should have been
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: a touchdown. So that goes down as like a twenty
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: four yard game that should have been like a forty
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: yard gain and a touchdown on top of that. So
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: tack on another what sixteen yards and a touchdown onto that,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: So we're five for five for one hundred and twenty
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: eight yards in a touchdown. Now, sorry, math is hard. Yeah,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: it was a tech McMillin stat line. It's bad. It
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: was not his fault. But when you're out there, you're
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: out there. Yeah, and this Moore goes to coaching staff.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: We've talked about he's not an off ball linebackern that
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: his first year here. He's an edge player and they
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: got to get him back there.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, who's your next one?
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: Romanre Stevenson somehow we haven't talked about yet.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Four fumbles in four games. Yeah, I can't have it.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: You just especially a week after. It is a point
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: of emphasis in practice. You know this is coming up.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: He fumbled early in the game, and it's not like
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: somebody on the Niners made this unbelievable play to knock
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: the ball. Ou see, it's just outside his frame as
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: he hits the line of scrimmage. You can't do that.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: So now the coaching staff's in this really tough position
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: where he's still one of your two best playmakers on
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: offense and the coaching staff doesn't seem particularly interested.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: In involving to Mario Douglas.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: So he's your essentially best playmaker, but as Gerardmeo said
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: after the game, they can't afford to turn the ball over.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: Can't be So what he say, you can't be about
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: job Security's bass security? Well he said that don't.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: Right, but he also said that, yeah, all right, so
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: essentially that but yeah, what are you gonna do? You
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: want to be this run heavy offense? He is your
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: best playmaker, Yeah, but he continues to fumble the ball
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: and at a certain point you can't have that. So
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: I'm god, I don't have to make the decision. I know.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: Trod Mayo said this week Antonio Gibson might start, and
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: I get that, but like, what's the dis I don't
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: care about the starting what's the distribution of rep's gonna be?
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be like the fantasy football thing. Will
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: you give the guy a slap on the wrist by
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: starting him in your flex or are they really gonna
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: limit his carries?
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: And if they limit his carries, what's the ceiling for
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: the offense? So you're one hundred percent right on your
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: bremonder being on the downs take. I'm glad you did see.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: We know each other well enough that I didn't put
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 2: him because I actually thought would my thing with though
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: with it is that I don't think Antonio Gibson's a
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: volume back. He's not. So if all of a sudden
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: just to for one game, yeah, I suppose. If you
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: want to prove a point and you want to bench
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: Remandre for one game, and you give Antonio Gibson twenty
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: twenty five touches on Sunday, it's not the end of
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: the world. But that's not gonna be and Tonio Gibson
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: for the rest of the season.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: Well, but what do you do with Stevenson fumbles again,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: It's it's not a good problem. But so what I
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: would do, I'd elevate Kevin Harris for this game, okay,
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: and I would get and Tomichael Hasty was fine running
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: the ball last week actually, and I.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: Just want to it's it's a detriment to Gibson to
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden put him in a high volume see,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: and I.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: Think the SAME's about I think the same about Hasty. Yeah,
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: that's why I'd elevate Kevin Harris and I would get
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: not you still have to play Stevenson some but it's
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: this guy's right here, he's gonna play. This guy can
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: be a volume back, like I I would have Kevin
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: Harris as party game plan this week.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: That's fair enough. Antonio Gibson, I am still finding myself
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: and I feel like I've written this every single week
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: in my game review. He is one of your most
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: explosive players on offense. I know it happened in garbage time,
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: but he hits a fifty yarder on a little check
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: down coming over the middle of to feel a little
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: crosser mesh traffic. You know, they run mesh and then
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: they sneak the running back out of the backfield and
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: it's a blown coverage and he goes for fifty yards.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: They don't have a whole lot of guys on their
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: team that are capable of doing that on offense, like
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: taking a five yard pass and turning it into a
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: fifty yard game. He is one of them, maybe one
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: of the only ones. It's probably like him in Pop Douglas. Honestly,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: I think he needs to be more involved, even separate
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: from Rimandre's fumbling problems. And maybe they did it a
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: little bit last week. They had a two back set
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: with both of them on the field together, little pony action,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: Like maybe that's what it is. I know everybody wants
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: to hear like screens and stuff like that. But it's
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: not just that, Like can you flex him out wide
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: and maybe you get him matched up on a linebacker
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: and you hit him on a slant against a linebacker,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: Like maybe he runs a fade against the linebacker and
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: you hit him on a go ball against a matchup
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: Like he is a matchup for them. They don't have
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: a lot of them. They need to find ways to
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: use him as a matchup player. My last down, I
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: can bind both of them. So and Layden Robinson. I
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: didn't put Tray Jacobs on the downs because I honestly
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: feel like that's a little unfair. Yeah, what do you
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: expect to Yeah, but Leyden Robinson in city. So maybe
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: not so much with Robinson. I understand it's So's first
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: game back from injury, but those are probably gonna be
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: two guys that are in the mix on the offensive
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: line for you moving forward. They allowed a combined eleven
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: quarterback pressures in this game, two sacks. Robinson by himself
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: allowed seven quarterback pressures. Yeah. I think we need to
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: cool down on Laydon Robinson. Yeah, I mean I've been there. Yeah,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: Malie Collins is a solid NFL player Malie Collins is
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: not an elite pass rushing defensive tackle. He looked like
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: an elite pass rushing defensive tackle on Sunday, Like he
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: looked like a problem. He's not a bad player, but
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: just you know, for an example, he's not Quinn Williams right, Like,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: he's not one of those types of guys. And he
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: he had his way with Leyden Robinson. So a lot
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: of sack and quarterback hit and two more pressures. So combine,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: your two guards were a problem in this game. Obviously
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: Trey Jacobs was a problem too, but really all the
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: pressure came from those three spots. It was the two guards,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: and it was the left tackle. If that gets mitigated
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: to just the left tackle, like, you can work with that,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: like we've talked about this before. If it's just one part,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: one position, you can coach around it. You can slide,
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: you can chip, you can get the ball out quickly,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: you can run motion to that side of the field
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: and try to stretch out the end like you can
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: do stuff to make up for a bad left tackle.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: But if you're giving up pressure in the interior too,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: now you're just plugging a whole a boat with a
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: bunch of holes in it and it's impossible. So they
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: have to get better guard play and pass protection from
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: those two guys. And you gotta hope that City So
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: being back just.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: Or playing another game, right, just as kind of more
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: into the float of things here and give you something
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: else because Layde Robinson, especially in pass pro, like he's
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: not there yet.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: He's just not there.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: And I think you have to rely on City So.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: And we saw Michael Jordan participating in practice, which is
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: a good sign. He's been their sneaky best guard.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'll go from there.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: And I'll say this because I've got a ton of
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: questions about Cold Strange. Yeah, you might need Cold Strange
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: to come back as a center, not a guard. So
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: Cole Strange, I know, Mark Daniels put it out there.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: I think right before we started to record, Cold Strange
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: is gonna is on target to play this season. But
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: I didn't read marks floor not soon. But that does
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: not sound like at anytime soon. Like just saying that
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: he's not ruled out for the entire year tells me
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: that that is a maybe Thanksgiving target, you know, like
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: like late November early. I am not optimistic that Cold
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: Strange is coming back anytime.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: So the initial reporting was a couple of months.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so like seven eight weeks he has here, Mark Daniels,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: mass live, Cole Strange contractor return of the Patriots this season,
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: although timelines depending on his recovery. Yeah, just says later.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: It just keeps saying later.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: This season, So that to me is at least an
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: other month. Yeah. I've talked to Cole a little bit
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: in the locker room and the impression that I've gotten
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: from him is that he's not really even thinking about
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: that right now. Right He's more thinking about getting healthy.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: So he's not clear.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: Daniels has he's not cleared to practice, and obviously that
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: means return from pup.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: But I also wonder if that means like not even
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: get on a field and start the ramps. Yeah, what
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: I thought was interesting from what Kendrick Bourne said today
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: to us, and I wanted to end this show. I know,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: we haven't really talked a ton of Dolphins. I'm I
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: don't know how much it really matters.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: Well, I do want to talk Kendrick Bourne.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: I want to talk about like five minutes, ten to
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: ten minutes about the Dolphins.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm always down to talk Kendrick Bourne.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: So with Bourne, what I thought was interesting is he
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: said that he was physically cleared by the start of
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: the season, but he almost treated the first four weeks
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: as his training camp to get himself in shape to play.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: Published was the word he kept choosing to polish his routes.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, things like that. So I you gotta think
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: about the ramp up as much as you have to
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: think about the health of the player. So if cold
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: Strange is ready to go physically, he gets cleared medically
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: by the doctors, let's say by the end of October,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: then he's probably gonna need a couple of weeks to
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: get ramped back up.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: And just to be clear, some people may wonder, well,
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: isn't that what the three weeks is for when you
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: activate the guy. Some teams do it like that and
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: just ramp them up over the course of practice. But
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: then if you have a setback, you're out of luck.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: He's not coming back. Versus if you just do a
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: solo ramp up that's not part of practice, and then
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: you do it in essentially two stages, and then he
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: comes back to practice and ramps up in that way,
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: you just you have more control over the timeline.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so before I see you guys on the phones
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: and we'll take your calls here, I promise. But I
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: want to talk about some of the other, you know,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: new injury news that's been with the team because it
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: is important. So let's start with David Andrews at a
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: third now. Oh right, sorry, what was your third? Were
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: talked about it, Josh and Jay?
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, just the inability to hold the edge, not just
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: not just in the past game in the run game
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: is concerning right now.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally fair. All right, David Andrews. This one's a
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: tough one for me because you know, I love David Andrews.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 2: He's been a really an ally covering this team, working
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: for the team. He's been really good to me. I
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: have nothing bad to say about David Andrews, the person
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: David Andrews. At this point, it feels like his play
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: on the field has been compromised by his body starting
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: to give out on him a little bit. And I'm
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: not saying that, oh, it's not surprising that he's hurt
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: long term. I'm just saying that at this stage of
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: his career, he's played a lot of football He's always
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: been pretty healthy outside of the blood clots issue in
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: twenty nineteen. He's played seasons upon seasons deep playoff runs,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: Like how many snaps in the NFL do you think
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: David Andrews has played. It's got to be ten thousand, easily, right.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: It just feels like his body has given out on
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: him a little bit here towards the end, and his
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: past protection in particular starting last year, has dipped a
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: little bit, and it was dipping already a little bit
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: this year too. We talked about it in the Jets game.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: He might have been playing through an injury, separate injury,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: but playing through injury in that game. So from a
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: pure blocking standpoint, just post snap, how does this guy
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: perform block for block? I'm not sure, Nick Leverett's that
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: much of a drop off at this point. You obviously
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: can't replace the person. You can't replace the leader, you
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: can't replace the grit, you can't replace the communication that
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: he brings to the table. But I'm not quite as
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: concerned about David Andrews to Nick Leverett as maybe you
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: would think. I don't know how much of a drop
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: off physically that is truly going to be with all
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: the respect in the world for Andrews and for the player,
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: I just I don't when I watched them on film,
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: I don't see a major drop off right now from
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: those two guys.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: I think maybe not physically, mentally, you're losing a ton. Yes,
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: and again, Nick Leverage is not experienced center. Yeah, I
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: know he's played a little bit in the NFL, but
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: one and this is something we'll watch this week, and
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: maybe he's gotten better at I remember watching noticing the
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: summer the ball doesn't come back with a ton of
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: velocity in the shotgun.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: And that matters.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, And then on top of that, I actually
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: thought he was a decent He's decent for most of
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: the summer, but he had a couple of bad snaps
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: late there, and those can't come back. I'm not comfortable
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: saying that that the drop off is gonna be minimal.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: Maybe it was on Sunday. I think they got lucky.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's something you can count on if
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: I were them. I and I know they worked out.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: Not Jesse Davis. I thought they worked out another center,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: at least.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: Sound one of the practice squad car yet, but I
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: get another, I get another veteran center in here, and
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: I mean Rod Nick Leverty's the starter he's been with
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: the team. But we'll see with Brian Hudson. You know,
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: Levert's on the injury report too. He can get real ugly,
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: real fast at center. I'm not comfortable saying that David
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: Andrews is going to be a minimal absence. Is there
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: a chance that could happen.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, I'm not confident. I'm not saying he's going to
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: be a minimal absence either. I just don't think it's
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: going to be a physical decline. It's more gonna be
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: unless you want to count snapping. I guess that's a
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: physical app.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: I think that's especially for with an offensive line where
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: every tenth of a second matters.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: We'll have to I didn't see his snaps being an
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: issue on Sunday, but maybe it was one game that he.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: That's also the kind of thing that like, I don't
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: know how much you look at this, and I didn't
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: even I looked a little bit. The speed of the snap.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: I thought of it honestly today a practice, Yeah.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: I I if it was egregious, I would have noticed.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: It's not something that I necessarily noticed, which I feel
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: like is a good thing, right, right, He there's a possibility.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to allow for the possibility that they
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: kind of rammed him up at center starting like mid August,
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: but he's had probably two months now.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: But that's what's concerning, is he was better earlier on
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: when they start ramping HM up, and then late in
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: the summer it became an issue.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: Well, maybe he's gotten better at snapping. Okay, you know,
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: like in this timeframe, right, And let's also remember that
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: David Andrews has always was kind of being managed. Like
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: there's probably a lot of first team reps for Nick
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: let a lot of first team Yeah, so maybe he's
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: just gotten better at it. Like it's not no offense,
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: but it's not like this incredibly hard thing. It's just
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: a skill that you have to learn how to do.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: And so maybe he got better at it. Kendrick Bourne,
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: I don't want to oversell it, but I don't want
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: to undersell it because I do think this matters. I
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: do think that this is gonna help. Yes, they do
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: have receivers that are getting open, that aren't getting the
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: football to an extent, but it's more about who you're
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: taking off the field than any of that. Like, if
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: he's in the spot that Taekwon Thornton and kJ Osborne
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: have been in for the most part, I think what's
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: gonna happen in the first four weeks of the season.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: He is a significant, significant upgrade upgrade over those two guys,
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: and they are dying, dying for an X receiver that
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: can win on one on one, like just one time,
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: like run a slant and actually create some separation. They
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: went to Osborne twice at the beginning of that game
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: against the forty nine ers last week, and he was
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: blanketed both times. Like, if you can now have somebody
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: that can actually separate on that route and win on
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: that route, that's huge for this team. Not to mention
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: all the intangible stuff that Kendrick Bourne brings to the table.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: He's great after the catch. You know, ESPN has this
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: new You're gonna hate this, but ESPN has this new
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: receiving stat. This is a receiving data that they use.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: It's a cumulative stat and it combines separation like you know,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: the next gen separation, contested catchability, and yards after catchability. Right,
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: those two things are tangible, right, The separation stats gets
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: a little bit wonky. Out of one hundred and one
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: receivers last year in twenty twenty three, Kendrick Bourne sixteenth,
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: sixteenth best. He was like sandwiched between some really good players,
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: like at the wide receiver position. He was on pace
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: last year to be a thousand yard receiver on a
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: terrible offense. Like he was having a career year before
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: the ACL. Well see if he's pre ACL born, like
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: that might not be till next year, you know how
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: that works, right, But he was metrics wise, stats wise
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: that you know, extrapulating his games for a sixteen seventeen
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: game season last year. He was having a really good
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: year for the Patriots in twenty three. So again I
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: don't want to oversell it. I don't want to undersell it.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: They're not getting Jerry Rice or Randy Moss back, you know,
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: there you go, but they I think they are getting
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: a really really good player back.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: Well, the other thing, I mean, we were calling for
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: them to do more like scheme touch stuff, yeah with
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: Pop Douglas, which again they just don't see interested in doing.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: Kender Burns another guy you can do scheme touch with
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: and you can run on some Mendo rounds and some
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: jet passes and things like that, and he's really good
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: at the ball in his hand. Right, maybe it opens
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: up that part of the playbook a little bit more
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: real quick kind of unrelated.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: But did you did I get quote tweeted again?
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: No? Did you see Jason Kelsey's rant about analytics? This
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: is my viewpoint on stats. Stats are numbers. What I
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: care about is the football.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: Where does it go?
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: Does it go to the end zone? Do we get points?
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: Points are also numbers, but points determined games and wins
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: and losses. Stats are numbers. Numbers are nerds. Nerds are losers.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: Therefore stats are losers. Thank you, Jason Kelsey.
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's coming from a future Hall of Fame center
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: you right, so he probably knows a thing or twill
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: now you no offense or not, Jason Kelsey. So the
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: fact that you are not on the nerd side of
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: this is shocking. But his whole point is that stuff's
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: all irrelevant.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: Real ballp the top, Ball up top, get to the
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: end zone.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, here's the thing, cave Man, Ball up top, get
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: to the ends? Have you not seen ball up top?
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: My new Like, here's the thing. I was having a
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: conversation with somebody the other day about this.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: He asked me, what are you seeing on the defense? Right?
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: I said, well, I can tell you what I'm seeing,
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: but I'm not a coach, I'm not a player. I
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: don't know it like you guys do. And he was like, well,
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: tell me what you're seeing and I said, well, statistically,
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: and he said, oh, you're going stats on me. And
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: I was like yeah, and I was like, yeah, statistically,
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: you guys think and Cover two. Okay, you guys are
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: playing Cover two. You're getting freaking shredded. Stop playing Cover two.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: That's how I see it. And then I explained what
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: I explained earlier in the show. You know, about the
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: safeties and not having anybody to contain the quarterback and YadA, YadA, YadA,
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: But the point being for us stats people, Yeah, I
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: watched the film. I see that. I say to myself, dang,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: like it really seems like brock Party tore up Cover
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: two in this game. Then I can go to next Gen,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: into the portal, into the dashboard and see brock Purty
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: sure enough, was like one hundred and fifty yards on
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: seven attempts in Cover two.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: Instead, he even says points or points are numbers they
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: determined games like points, yards whatever. I'm talking about the acronyms.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: When you start putting expected in there, things like that
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: like hate EPA, you hate it, show me tangibly.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 4: What it is.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: Fine if you can't formulate, or it's just pulling numbers
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: out of thin air because it's expected this, or or
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: you know when you stumers use numbers, are nerds?
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: Nerds? Loss? You said that you wanted to bring up
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: points per game with the defense, you knew in context
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: that that might not be inaccurate. So what did I do?
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: I went and found points per drive. That's another tangible number.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: E p A is context. E p A bakes in
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: down in distance, score of the game situation. Is that
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: kind of formula for e p A? Yes?
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: Is it public?
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 6: But no?
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, so there, so I don't know because I don't
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: formally is it is?
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: But do you know how to code?
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: That's not really? No, that doesn't count yards per drive,
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: yards per attempt or completions against cover two. That is
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: a tangible Okay.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, good thing that it's supported my argument no
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: matter what number we use, because they're bad in all
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: of it.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: So stats are numbers I'm not tattooed guy, but I'm
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: saying if I were, Stats are numbers. Numbers are nerds.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: Nerds are losers.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: Stats are losers.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: What a great quote by Jason Kelsey. Let's get back
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: I think of the Kelsey Brothers guy, but what a quote.
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: Let's get back to the TPX hotline. It is Steve
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: in New York.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: What's up? Steve? Stay there? All right? We didn't even
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: leave Steve on hold for that long. Ted is in Portland?
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: What's up? Ted?
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 4: Hey, what's up? Guys? Had a quick question that is hypothetical.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 4: But if Mayo, you know, I know you said we're
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 4: starting Jacoby, why wouldn't you just say were starting Jacoby
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 4: and then starkrek may and basically catch everyone off.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 6: God.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 4: I also wanted to ask Adam would you get him?
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 4: And then also I wanted to add a suggestion. I
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 4: know you guys have been talking about having a whiteboard.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 4: It would be awesome. We'd love to see it. I'm
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 4: sure there's plenty of other people would love to see it.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 4: It also be a great way to promote the pods
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 4: through YouTube short clips.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Ted, it's a great point. We do, we do.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: We did talk about the whiteboard, Well, we'll work on that.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: I think it would be a useful tool. We're gonna
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: get one. I love that. Uh On DeVante Adams. I'm
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: glad he brought this up because we probably should get
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: addressed this on the show. You know me, I am
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: a shiny new toy. I take de bait every time.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: I want the wide receiver. I love wide receivers. I'll
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: take all the wide receivers for once in my life.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: I'm actually gonna say that I don't think this one
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: makes sense, which is like shocking to me. I can't
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: believe I even just uttered those words that this doesn't
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: make sense to go out and trade for probably a
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: top five receiver in football. But from Devonte Adams's perspective,
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine he wants to come to New England.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the selling point is with the Patriots.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: He's already paid. He just wants to win, Like I just,
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: I don't understand what if he doesn't want to play
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: for the Raiders, and why does he want to play
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: for the Patriots. You know that part of it doesn't
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: add up. The other party that doesn't add up. And
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: I say this as somebody that was born in the
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: same month, in the same year as DeVante Adams. He's
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: gonna be thirty two years old in December. A.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: We're born on literally the same day as Jacoby verses.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 2: I am, we have the same exact birthday. Where what's DeVante? Like,
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: what's the outlook with Devonte Adams? Like, yes, you could
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: make the argument that he could help Drake may in
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: his first full year as a starter next year, but
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: like now we're talking about a thirty two year old receiver. Like,
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: I don't see how that it's not Stefan Diggs with Buffalo.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right to me, So I'm with you, Like, he's
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: not coming here, Yeah, And I know there's a clip
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: going around of him being very complimentary of Robert Craft
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: and Gerrod Mayo.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, great, maybe.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: He comes here to coach one day. Like the whole
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: reason he wants out is the quarterback position. There he
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: has He's played with six quarterbacks in two years. Yeah,
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: a list that includes Jarrett Stidham, Jimmy Garoppolo, and Brian Hoyertman.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: Still put some numbers.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: It's still put a thousand yards last year, hundred catches.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: Hud A three I think he's not coming here.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think hypothetically if he were to, Yeah,
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: he can be your bridge to Stefan Diggs or that way.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: Like because you got to take tackle in the first round.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: I think we both agree on that. So you're not
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: getting that immediate impact wide receiver in the draft. But
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: maybe there's a guy you really like who's a year away. Well, okay,
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: we're gonna take him in the second round. But we
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: have DeVante Adams in the meantime, so we still have
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: this player and Drake Macon can really get going next year.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: So I think there's an argument for it. The report
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: out there is the Raiders want a second. That's cute
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: that they want that. They can want whatever they want.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: I think realistically it's gonna be a third and maybe
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: something else. He's also gonna want a contract extension. If
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: it's like a third and you signed him for two years,
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: I would probably do that. Yeah, but it's not gonna happen.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: You win, which is not hard with wide receivers. It's
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: it's not hard to convince me to trade for a
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: wide receiver. I just I just want I don't think
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: it's a good marriage.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: Like, it's not it doesn't matter because he's not coming
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: here right whatever they want, He's trying to get away
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: from quarterback instability.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: What I would say, though, if I'm Elliot Wolf, because
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: you have to make the call, if you're the page,
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: they should one make the call. Do I put the
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: Matthew judea On third round pick on the table.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, and to anybody listening,
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: ask yourself this, because I had this conversation with somebody
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: the other day to say, third round pick, that's ridiculous.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: If I had brought up in July, you can trade
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: Matthew jude On for DeVante Adams. Yeah, I think it
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: would have been yess across the board. Yeah, this is
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: just doing that with this is essentially just making that
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: a three team trade. You know me, I am an
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: FM picks kind of guy. Yeah, especially.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: You're not trading your first round pick this year. I'll
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: even allow for the fact that you're not trading your
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: second round pick because until April, because we're talking not
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: until March. We're talking about that being like the third
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: and the thirty fifth overall pick in the draft. Those
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: are two picks that should be legitimate pillar players this team.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: You're not trading it until you know exactly what pick
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: it is. Yeah, that like if they trade it for
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: DK Metcalf, I'm on the record, I'm on board with that.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: But yeah, but with that being said, once you get
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: into the third round of the draft, and I know
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: that you could say, okay, like you know, Chase Winovich
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: was a third round pick and so was Fred Warner Evan, Like,
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: you know, we could play this game all day, right,
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: but the on the whole really go back and look
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: at the guys that get drafted in the third and
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: fourth round of the draft. Like it's sometimes I feel
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: like we just value the pick a little bit too much.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: Like you're really talking about maybe twenty twenty five percent
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: hit rate on a third round pick, and hit rate
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: is like a loose term that I use. Like the
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: amount of times that that third round pick turns into
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: Fred Warner is one.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: In ten, right, You're you're I'd say a lot longer
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: than a lot longer odds than that. But you know,
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: if you can get two years of DeVante Adams, even
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: if he's eighty percent of the player he's been, that's
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: eighty catches eight hundred yards for a third round pick
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: when you have two of them.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, let's talk a little like I
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: do want to ask, he said, He asked one other thing.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: Oh it's Adams. Oh it's something about Drake Mayo.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: Oh why don't you just say you're starting Jakober set
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: then say then start Drake made it catch the team
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: off guard. I think the whole keeping the starting quarterback
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: a secret thing is one of the most overblown concepts
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: in football. The offense is the offense. You're gonna have
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: to defend the same concepts. It's just to what level
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: they can be executed. But like, if the guy's executing
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: at a high level, like you should be prepared to
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: stop him at the highest level no matter what. So
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: I got I just that's not a good reason to no.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: Make Drake may the starter. When you make Drake may
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: the starter, do it, do it with your whole chest.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, just one quick thing, because I I'm not
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: afraid to be critical of Mayo. I was critical of
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: Mayo for the whole first hour of the show, But
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: on Sunday I saw a lot of this, and I
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: guess it's probably just my timeline and the cesspool that
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: is the X Machine every once in a while. But
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: Mayo told Scott Zolac on the pregame show on your station,
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: like twenty minutes before the game that they were gonna
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: run a lot of short passes, quick game, get the
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: ball out. Why would you tell the other team that
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: that's ridiculous? So you're telling me that, I think it's
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: Nick Sorenson, the defensive coordinator for the forty nine ers,
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: and Kyle Shanahan and your boy Brandon Staley in twenty
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: minutes are gonna take the game plan that they came
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: in with and completely reinvent the game plan in twenty
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: minutes because of what Girod said to Scott Zolac, Like,
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: what are we doing If they're good coaches who know
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: how to game plan, which give them the list? Okay,
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: but yeah, if they're good coaches who know what a
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: game plan, they probably should have known that was gonna
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: be the game play anyway, that was anything mind blowing. Also, no,
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: because I saw this too and I was annoya, Yeah,
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: drawn my own van Pelt told us that was gonna
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: be the game plan on Monday. Yeah, it was out
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: there for a week.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: It's just also just not how with Brandon Staley. Yeah,
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: maybe you got to tell him a few times before
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: he gets it, Brent Day.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: It's just not how it works. Yeah, it's not tell
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: you tell a broadcaster or twenty minutes before the game.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: You're not giving away any state secrets. You're not giving
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: away which, by the way, again they've already said earlier
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: in the week. Yeah quickly on the Dolphins, Yeah, uh,
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: just my quick dolphins R. I know the Dolphins are
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: right now in disarray. I know you hated my take
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: that I gave earlier in the show about Drake May
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: playing in this game.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: Well, it was him playing in the game and then
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: benching him again.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: I didn't say that they had to bench him again.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: I said that they could still bench him. I don't.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: We don't need to get into it again. My one
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: fear about this game from a Patriot perspective, I have
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: to but on offense, the Dolphins offense. I watched their
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: film against Tennessee with with scoop right, Scoop Hunley, Scoop poop.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: I think it's snoop.
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 2: I think it's Scoop, Snoop, Scoop. We're terrible.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: It's snoop, Tyler Huntley, It's Snoop. I just looked it
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: up and Snoop Snoop Huntley. Maybe Scoop would be a
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: terrible name for quarterback, maybe like a linebacker.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: I know, I think it's a terrible name either.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: Didn't the Patriots that was Scooby.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: They had Scooby right, Scooby right, So you I think
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: like UFL also Snoop Huntley, SFL all start and champion.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: So my my one fear about this game coming off
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: a game where you give up five explosive plays to
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: the San Francisco forty nine ers, this is obviously one
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: of the most explosive offenses in the NFL. I get
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: they don't have their quarterback. I get that they have
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: Snoop Huntley now.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: A Bowl or Snoop Puntley's in respect on his Okay,
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: he was seventeenth, he was there with Mac John.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: Snoop Puntley is that quarterback? Not to U I get
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. But you watch their film
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: against Tennessee, and if I was DeMarcus coming into Rod
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: Mayo and Comington said this this morning, I'll give him credit.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: I think he probably did do this. Just put a
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: cut up of all the times that Tyreek Kill has
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: opened down the field in that game, you know, just verticals.
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: You know, they play cover three. He just runs right
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: through the defense right like, and he's open it. Just
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: somehow Snoop Huntley overthrew Tyreek Kill, which I still don't
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: really understand how you do, but he did. He figured
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: it out. So my point being is my fear about
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: this game defensively for the Patriots is that the plays
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: are there to be made by this Dolphins offense. The
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: execution in the timing is not there because of the quarterback.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 2: Right so all it takes is the blind squirrel finding
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: a nut once or twice in this game, and all
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: of a sudden you're down fourteen to nothing because he
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: hit two sixty yard bombs to Tyreek Kill. The opportunities
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: are still there on film for this offense to hit
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: big plays. They're just not running it like they usually
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: run it. I know you're gonna probably hate this, but
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 2: I don't necessarily see this as like a McDaniel problem necessarily,
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: but I definitely see this as a quarterback timing issue
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: with the receivers don't fall asleep at the wheel against
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: this Miami.
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  Speaker 6: Well.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: McDaniel's so brilliant, make it work. How many bad quarter
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: backs as Kyle Shanahan.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: Won with to an extent, I just love that.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: That just backdoored you well, I said, I said, to
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: an extent, Kyle Shanahan's never been this bad. No, and
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: Shanahan's better than me. You have knockoff Shanahan essentially, so.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: To me, Yeah, the big.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: Plays scare me because they only need to hit one
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: of them probably to win this game.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: And I was saying this to Uh.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: I was talking about what we were walking out of practice. Yeah,
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: there's a there's gonna be turnovers in this game. Yeah,
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: defensive points. If a defense scores a touchdown, the team
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: probably wins this game. If not, we won't see a tie.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: Like I I, it's gonna be low scoring, zero zero
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: leather helmets. It's gonna be low scoring. There's I would
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: there's gonna be a very very thin margin for error.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: And I know that kind of sounds weird because it's
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: usually like, no, you have a thin margin forrer when
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: you play good team. I'm talking about offensively. Defensively you
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: have more margin forrer. But yeah, if this defense needs
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: to start forcing turnovers, and I know they did last
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: week it was late in the game. Yeah, they need
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: to start forcing turnovers short fields if not points on
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: the board. Turnovers are on im portant every week, but
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: I think this week especially they matter. And again if
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: a defense scores, My bet is that team wins the
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: game if a defense puts points on the board in
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: this one. So, I think you don't get beat deep.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: I think you play ben, don't break, and you force
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: Tyler Huntley to be a surgeon in the red zone. Yeah,
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: but don't let him break contain because he can. He
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: can break a sixty yard run and that kind of
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: thing can turn out the game too.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so a little bit, I agree with you that
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 2: they this should be the Patriots should be forcing them
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 2: to march. You have to be at death by a
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: thousand paper cuts if you're gonna beat us, snap the
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: ball a bunch, march the field. That means playing discipline football. Yeah.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: They Miami also motions more than any other team in
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 2: the league. They love to run motion at the snap.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: They run that at the second highest rate. They run
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: all pure motion across the board at the highest rate
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: in the league. Almost eighty five percent of their offensive
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 2: place motion of some sort, which is ridiculous. If I'm
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: the Patriots defensively, I'm looking at this and seeing Christian
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: Zales and Jonathan Jones on the outside, Marcus Jones in
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: the slot, and this matchup actually can work, right, Yeah,
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: I have three guys that can run with those guys
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: down the field. I don't know if this is necessarily
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: a game where you shadow or travel with a specific receiver,
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 2: allow them to window dress, eye candy all they want
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 2: with all their silly little motions, and just let them
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 2: come out the side they come out of right, and
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 2: just yeah, match the guy that comes into your zone
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: and play it like that. I wouldn't go and have
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 2: Gonzo chasing Hill across the field and then Hill runs
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: on Thomas Rout and you're in chase mode the whole time.
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: Do you put John Jones on Tyreek Hill and man
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: and you're better with terminology and I always forget what
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: he's called, but you put John Jones shadow man on
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, and everybody plays zone around that. So you
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: make sure Hill's accounted for with the guy that's history
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: had a lot of success against him, and then everybody
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: else is just make sure we have the rest of
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: the field covered.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 2: So against Kansas City in the ANFC Championship game all
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 2: those years ago in twenty eight team the call that
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: they ran with Tyreek Kill dimod magic cover zero. Now
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: it's not pure cover zero. They what they would have
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: is they would have Devin mccordy would cloud to Tyree
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: Kill's side, so he would like be like the over
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 2: the top player, the double team on Tyreek' side. You
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 2: don't want to bracket or cone Tyreek because he's just
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 2: going to run right through the middle of it. You
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 2: want to high low Tyreek Kill, so you have a
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 2: guy on him underneath, and you have a guy over
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 2: the top of that player. So they would do that,
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 2: and then everybody else on the field is just in
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 2: straight up man to man without safety help. You're in
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: cover zero. Everywhere else they could do something like that.
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: They have done stuff like that.
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: Because now you're in man and you have to pass off.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 2: I'm saying just like so, they they've also played cloud right,
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 2: so three cloud would be like you'd have a defender
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 2: on the line of scrimmage. Usually they would do it
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 2: with Jabriel Peppers and they would just have Jabriel Peppers
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 2: chuck the crap out of them at the line of scrimmage,
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: and then he would let him go after he released,
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 2: and then Gonzo would pick him up like eight to
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 2: ten yards off the line of scrimmage, but he would
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 2: already have been slowed by the jam at the line.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 1: But you can't do that.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: He's in motion though, So that's the problem with the motions.
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: So that's why I feel like if they just let
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: him come out whichever side he's gonna come out of,
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: and then just catch him down the field, you know,
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: by playing off coverage with him, like if you're if snow,
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 2: Puntley's gonna beat you throwing like little crossers and slants
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that because you're playing off Like that's
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 2: what Tua would do, right, But I don't really trust
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: new Puntley.
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: To do making keep making through I get. I don't know,
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: just almost like spying Tyreek Hill.
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would do something like that. Yeah, offensively. Anthony
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 2: Weaver is a Raven's disciple McDonald guy with the Baltimore Ravens.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 2: They can pressure now. They lost Jalen Phillips, but they
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 2: have Zach Steeler, who's like a really underrated play on
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 2: their interior, really good player. It doesn't get a ton
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 2: of National pub Kalais Campbell obviously is not a Miami Dolphin.
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 2: He's still doing his thing. And Emmanuel Agba is like
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 2: a really solid, well rounded football player. He's not a
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 2: twitchy athlete like Phillips's. He kind of reminds me a
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 2: little bit of Dietrich wise, like just long arm, physical,
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 2: heavy guy, discipline player. He's really good too. They can
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 2: pressure and they can man pressure, and they probably will
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 2: on Sunday against the Patriots and go with the same
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 2: book or the blueprint. The Jets, the Niners, they do
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 2: use the same blueprint. They blintched a ton, They played
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 2: Manta Man. They forced the ball outside the numbers, you know,
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 2: funnel it outside, make them beat us quick, made them,
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: make them beat us and block us. I assume that's
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: what Miami is gonna do as well. I assume it's
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 2: gonna be pretty successful. To be honest with you, I
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 2: don't know what the Patriots do the way.
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 1: They literally just signed Tyas Bowser, okay, so they know
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: the guy that can get after the quarterback.
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the Patriots are going to do
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: to get teams out of the blueprint that they're currently in.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 2: They're facing the number one rate in the league of
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: single high defensive structure like cover one, cover three, post safety,
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: seven to eight guys in the box, blitz a ton,
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 2: pressure a ton, man coverage a ton like. I don't
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 2: know how you get teams out of that with their
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 2: current personnel. But that's a VP, right Like. He's got
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 2: to figure out a way because right now, you're not
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 2: going to be able to run the ball against the
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: boxes in the counts that they're seeing very successfully. Unless
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 2: 'm Andre who's fumbling every game, goes beast mode like
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 2: he did in Week one, you're not going to be
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: able to do run the ball a whole lot. I
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: don't know where they go offensively defensively, I think they
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 2: have some answers, especially with a backup quarterback in there.
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 2: They were all predicting a rock fight on Sunday. It
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: sounds like you're in the same boat. Yeah, yeah, yeah, much.
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: All right, one quick email before we because this is
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: this is topical. So Eric emails in and he says
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 2: that he works for a company. I get this that
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: makes digital whiteboard apps.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, here we go.
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's a digital whiteboard, so we could probably
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 2: do it right here on the tablet, and he said
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 2: that he is a big fan of the show and
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 2: is willing to give us a free account to make
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 2: this happen.
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: We may need to put this now. The problem is
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of people also just listen audibly.
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 2: Yes, so we yes, we're serving the the YouTube body
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 2: and so no, you would just have to be able
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: to describe what's going on as you do. Maybe I
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 2: could do a little play by play, or I would
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 2: all you're right, and you'd have to remind me to
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 2: say sorry to the listening on it, to pull a
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 2: Colin Coward and say, I know only the people watching
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 2: on TV can see this graphic, but here's this graphic
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 2: that I made.
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 1: So maybe we need to get that hooked up to
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: the YouTube or could we just project it behind us.
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well we'll figure it out.
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, But we have another email about like Kelvin Banks
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 1: or something.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, of course you want to get to that.
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 2: I'll let you have this one the email are asked,
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 2: and sorry, I'll I can't find out. I'll find out
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 2: when you're talking to get the emailer's name. But he
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 2: asked that he's seeing a lot of mock drafts that
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 2: are flipping the two of them now, and well, Calvin
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 2: Banks has moved ahead of Will Campbell.
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so a couple of reasons for that. I think
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: there is concern about arm length. Arm length with Will Campbell.
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 1: Jim Naggy had it at thirty two and seven eighths,
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 1: which would be just under the threshold.
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 2: Now you may not care.
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: Who is the guy. The threshold was thirty four and
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: then he was at thirty three and they were just like, nope,
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: he's a good tackle for Shawn all right, so maybe
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: he resets the threshold again. The other thing is Will
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: Campbell is five penalties in five games. Four of them
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 1: are false starts. Not all of those are on the road.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: And look, they've both been very good. I'd be happy
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 1: with either, but when it is that narrow, you're going
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 1: to look at things like penalties, and Calvin Banks has
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: been clean. He also played better against Michigan Campbell did
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 1: against South Carolina. That's each team, basically is each player
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 1: basically is one marquee matchup. I mean, Campbell played Florida
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 1: State two and held up well there, But that doesn't
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 1: surprise me these guys. It's gonna be Drake May, Jane
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 1: Daniels all over again just to tackle.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 2: So this is Nicholas asked this question. I haven't studied
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 2: these guys. This is gonna happen though, because last year
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 2: it was around November that I threw on the first
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 2: Drake May tape. I think I was in Denver and
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 2: was probably texting you like, can we draft this guy now? Please?
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 2: And I think it was around November that I threw
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 2: on the first Drake May tape. So it's coming. It's coming, folks,
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 2: I'm sure I will. I haven't watched them closely enough
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 2: yet to have a take on, like which one I
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 2: liked better. I liked Will Campbell's tape last year better
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 2: than Kelvin Banks's tape. That's what I've been going off of.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 2: But that was last year. We have more information.
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 1: We also see the penalties on tape.
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: To the arm length thing, it is a factor. It
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: will matter. Combine is gonna be big. You know, I'm
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 2: gonna be there with the tape measure.
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 1: If he's at thirty two and seven, Ace, does he
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: like have two friends pull on him before he goes
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 1: to the measurement so can find another quarter inch?
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 2: So Rashaun Slater for the Chargers, Uh, he has exactly
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 2: thirty three inch arms. Yeah, on the nose, he's fantastic.
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 2: He's elite at left tackle. Yeah, So everybody has kind
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 2: of redone their thought process there. This is gonna you're
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 2: gonna hate this. It's right up your alley. The nerd
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 2: side of things is trying to convince the football people
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 2: that arm length is a myth, not a myth, but
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 2: like doesn't matter as much. Like obviously, if a guy
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 2: is thirty one inch charms, he's not gonna play tackle.
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 1: But so for for reference, Peter Skorronsky was thirty two
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 1: and a quarter.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 2: Right, So thirty two and seven eights versus thirty three
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 2: or thirty three and a half. The nerds would tell you,
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 2: what are we talking about. We're talking about half an
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 2: inch and now you're gonna move the guy inside the
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 2: guard over half an inch of arm length, Like that's
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 2: not gonna make a big differen And the football people
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 2: and some of the football people in this organization that
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 2: I've talked to, they they think it matters. Like I
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: remember we were talking about Mike on Win who going
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: and playing tackle and signing him as a tackle. The
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 2: one thing that was pointed out to me by people
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 2: here is that he actually has tackle length. If you
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 2: look at his arms, he's over the thirty three inch threshold.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 2: So they do care about this kind of stuff here. Well.
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 1: So all right, So, and it's one thing, like you said,
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 1: thirty two even thirty two and a half, thirty two
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 1: and seven, a's talking about a quarter inch how much
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 1: g factor in So Slater's thirty three inch arms at
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 1: six y four? Yep, Campbell's listed again we'll see at
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: the combine. But Campbell's listed at sixty six, so he
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 1: has more. The proportions are different. Does that make sense
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: to get what I'm saying.
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I actually on one who has a thirty
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 2: four and three Acey he clears it. Yeah.
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 1: But just even if they are thirty three, even if
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 1: Campbell comes into thirty three likes later, just thirty three
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: at six six get viewed differently than thirty three at
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: sixty four.
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 2: It's different because like when you talk about height, the
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 2: two things that you look at with height are stride
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 2: length is the biggest one. So like taller tackles, the
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 2: advantage that they have is that they have they are
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 2: their strides are longer, so when they kick out in
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: their pas set, they get more depth and they get
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 2: they cover more ground with their steps. That's on when
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 2: who's problem Like he has got the length, but he's
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 2: only six two sixty three so his strides are smaller,
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 2: so he doesn't cover the ground.
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 6: Uh.
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 2: The other issue though, is the Nate Soldier thing where
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 2: you're too tall, right, and then you can't leverage and
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 2: then you can't get underneath guys and stuff like that.
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 2: So I would say it's different buckets length. You know
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 2: arm length, and I know you know this, but I'm
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 2: just explaining it. Arm length is first contact, right first,
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 2: meaningful contact is big. Not exposing your chest is big.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: So when you have long arms, you can keep guys
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 2: at your fingertips and then you can keep guys out
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: of your chest and now to your plate.
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: That's going to concern people about Campbell because he plays
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 1: relatively straight up.
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 2: Now, it walks for him, at least the college level.
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 1: It works for me. He's in the SEC, but he
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: plays more vertically than you probably coach a guy.
• 2:11:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it'd be interesting to see what I see.
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 2: You know, obviously, I think Calvin Banks is more of
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 2: that prototypical build for a tackle like He's gonna check
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: all the threshold and stuff. I just from technically, from
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 2: a technical perspective, I remember what I saw of Will
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 2: Campbell was really really impressive. Not all that different than Scornsky,
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 2: you know, I know you brought him up earlier. It's
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 2: not all that different. Scoronsky was just you could tell
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 2: that that dude came out of the womb as an
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 2: offensive lineman right like it was just in his blood.
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