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#448: Science vs Therapy, AuDHD Assessment, Routines · Pod Therapy

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  Speaker 1: We've got some great questions for today's show, leading off
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  Speaker 1: the order Neuroscience versus Therapy from Pickets Pickett.
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  Speaker 3: Hey guys, it's Picket Q Jacob Ticket.
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  Speaker 1: No crazy drama today, but instead I have more of
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  Speaker 1: a discussion slash curiosity question. I've been reading up on
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  Speaker 1: repressed memories and how there's a huge debate that's been
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  Speaker 1: going on for decades about whether or not they exist.
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  Speaker 1: The crux of the debate hinges around clinicians believing the
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  Speaker 1: accounts of their patients and the patient's responses to particular treatments,
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  Speaker 1: and scholars looking at more empirical data in neuroscience. I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure I'm oversimplifying both sides, but that's the main thing
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  Speaker 1: I took away from my reading and the kind of
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  Speaker 1: thing I wanted to ask you guys about, what are
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  Speaker 1: your opinions on utilizing neuroscience and empirically driven aspects of
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  Speaker 1: the brain, such as physiological things we know from scans
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  Speaker 1: and dissection, rather than more abstract mental things like emotions
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  Speaker 1: and some therapy techniques in your jobs? How do you
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  Speaker 1: reconcile with the idea that a method you used worked
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  Speaker 1: for a patient but might not necessarily mean that the
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  Speaker 1: method is proven. Do you have any pet peeves in
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  Speaker 1: regards to people who focus more on physical evidence rather
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  Speaker 1: than patient experience. I know I cheated a little by
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  Speaker 1: asking several questions, but mostly I wanted to hear your
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  Speaker 1: opinions on using cold, hard evidence in an arguably abstract
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  Speaker 1: and immaterial health and science field. Hope everyone's days are
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  Speaker 1: going well and that Jacob is successful in isolating another
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  Speaker 1: embarrassing Jim Clip, big love for.
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  Speaker 5: All, Luck.
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  Speaker 2: Picket.
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  Speaker 3: I am pro your question, Whitney.
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  Speaker 4: There's a lot of questions, Thank.
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  Speaker 3: You, Jim against Yeah, Nick pro, all right, all right,
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  Speaker 3: I'm pro, but way o.
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  Speaker 2: Difficult.
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  Speaker 3: How can Cotrriano?
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  Speaker 6: I love how he acknowledged just answer this very this
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  Speaker 6: question in a very our entire Yes, I'm like I
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  Speaker 6: was thinking reading this, I'm like, nothing is like a
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  Speaker 6: setten step.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll frame up the debate a little bit just
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  Speaker 1: for the general audience. So we're talking about repressed memories, right,
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  Speaker 1: And for decades there was this like debate where the
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  Speaker 1: question was can somebody go through so much intense trauma
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  Speaker 1: that they functionally black out the memories themselves? And then
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  Speaker 1: later in therapy we would see symptoms of traumatic behavior
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  Speaker 1: ad reactions, aversions, things like that, nightmares, but when we
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  Speaker 1: try to ask the person about their lived experiences, they
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  Speaker 1: couldn't recall these things, and so we started having this
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  Speaker 1: hypothesis that perhaps the memory was repressed, and so there
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  Speaker 1: were some modalities of therapy that said, well can we
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  Speaker 1: recover that memory?
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  Speaker 3: And this got into some of them.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it got into some very dark water rarely really quickly,
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  Speaker 1: because then all of a sudden, these people would have
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  Speaker 1: these constructed memories of like being molested by parents, and
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  Speaker 1: the therapist and the patient are working through this stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and then the patients going back to their parents be
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  Speaker 1: like did you molest me? And the parents like, no,
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  Speaker 1: that didn't happen, and then like, but now I have
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  Speaker 1: these vivid memories of it. And it became this debate
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  Speaker 1: of like did we create that? Is that something that's
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  Speaker 1: there that was actually imported through this therapy work and
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  Speaker 1: it never was like there in hard science, And so
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  Speaker 1: then they started using like fMRI machines, like oh.
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  Speaker 3: You know that hard science? Do you mean just reality? Reality?
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  Speaker 1: But it was there a way to empirically verify that
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  Speaker 1: this was a real memory. And so what they started
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  Speaker 1: doing is having patients recall the memories okay, and they
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  Speaker 1: would scan the brain to figure out what's lighting up
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  Speaker 1: in the brain. Is it the memory portion of the
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  Speaker 1: brain or is it the imagination portion of the brain,
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  Speaker 1: And so that would tend toward imagination, and it would
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  Speaker 1: be like, oh, so was this all bullshit? A therapist
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  Speaker 1: play an these memories?
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  Speaker 3: So basically some therapists, this is what it sounds like
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  Speaker 3: to me that you're saying, basically some therapists that should
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  Speaker 3: know better about fucking around with people's brains. It was
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  Speaker 3: a dark kind of didn't understand what they were getting into.
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  Speaker 3: And then and then waded into some deeper waters and
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  Speaker 3: then like after the fact, started trying to figure it out.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that is an ungenerous interpretation.
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  Speaker 2: Sure of that was, and yet is that accurate?
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  Speaker 1: I think at the time they were trying to understand like,
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  Speaker 1: if memories can be repressed, and traumatic memories would be repressed,
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  Speaker 1: can they be unlocked in this collaborative way, And then
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  Speaker 1: later when we followed up with like neuroscience, the neuroscience
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  Speaker 1: seemed to be implying like, no, that's not what's happening.
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  Speaker 1: So that anyway, that's the structure of I think some
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  Speaker 1: of what Pickets talking about. But it seems to basically yes,
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  Speaker 1: and at least this huge, bigger debate in psychotherapy, which
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  Speaker 1: is like our work is not a hard science, but
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  Speaker 1: the hard sciences, like neuroscience can't cure the things we
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  Speaker 1: treat and cure, but we can't remove a brain tumor, right,
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  Speaker 1: and so like we collaborate with our physical colleagues, but
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  Speaker 1: we have different modalities and this is something that we
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  Speaker 1: constantly like have a little bit of a tug of work.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's at the very I would the only thing
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  Speaker 3: I would push back on with that statement is it
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  Speaker 3: seems like it seems like both sides would have to
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  Speaker 3: add the add the phrase right now. Okay, it seems
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  Speaker 3: like both both sides would would have to say, like, okay, physically,
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  Speaker 3: you can't fix this stuff that we're working on with
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  Speaker 3: physical stuff right now, right, like we don't know the
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  Speaker 3: right spot to poke in somebody's brain, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Or if it even can be And I want to pivot.
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  Speaker 1: But like this is the debate about hardware versus software, right,
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  Speaker 1: because sometimes it's like a software problem can't be fixed
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  Speaker 1: with hardware solutions.
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  Speaker 2: It just can't.
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  Speaker 1: And and so like we maybe work in two different
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  Speaker 1: modalities where we work in mind work and they work
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  Speaker 1: in brain work, right, And so like sometimes what you're
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  Speaker 1: seeing on the scans with the brain is telling you
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  Speaker 1: what the mind is doing.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes it's not.
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  Speaker 1: And so like they they can't ask the computer like
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  Speaker 1: what was that person thinking? They can only see what
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  Speaker 1: region was lighting up and generally what region lights up
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  Speaker 1: with other people. Right, But every human's kind of a
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  Speaker 1: snowflake too. But anyway, that kind of Contextufies contextualizes.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go with that. Pickett's question, well, we'll see you
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  Speaker 3: next week.
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  Speaker 6: I know, I like the question he asked, where do
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  Speaker 6: we have any pet peeves in regards to people who
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  Speaker 6: focus more on physical evidence rather than patient experience. And
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  Speaker 6: I don't think I have pet peeves or judgments around that.
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  Speaker 6: I actually really enjoyed neuroscience in college, Like it was
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  Speaker 6: super fascinating to me at a really great professor. And
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  Speaker 6: I mean I never felt like I, you know, thrived
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  Speaker 6: in the sciences, but that was a science that I
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  Speaker 6: really really enjoyed. And so I mean when it comes
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  Speaker 6: to my general work with clients, yeah, we tend to
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  Speaker 6: focus more on just like we talk about and hear
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  Speaker 6: the patient, the client their experiences and how that affects them,
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  Speaker 6: and a lot more validating whether we know something true
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  Speaker 6: or not. We don't always know. But I'm going to
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  Speaker 6: go off what you tell me and we're going to
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  Speaker 6: go from there. And if you're just lying to me
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  Speaker 6: and therapy, not that these people are lying or press memories,
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  Speaker 6: but if somebody chooses to say whatever they want in therapy.
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  Speaker 5: I'm only going to go off what you tell me.
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  Speaker 5: That's up to you. If you want to pay me
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  Speaker 5: to it's to analyze, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, false memory, false memories or whatnot.
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  Speaker 1: Well, And I think to your point though, for our chair,
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  Speaker 1: what we're here to do it's true to the person. Correct,
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  Speaker 1: it's causing things in their life. It's changing the way
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  Speaker 1: they talk to their parents, it's changing the way they
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  Speaker 1: feel when they're at home. They're feeling depressed. So regardless
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  Speaker 1: if it's just apps like empirically true or false, perspective wise,
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  Speaker 1: it matters to them. And that's something that a brain
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  Speaker 1: scan can't do anything with. But when we talk to
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  Speaker 1: the human, the human is saying, I feel like something
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  Speaker 1: bad happened in my childhood and I'm very confused about
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  Speaker 1: I saw this movie. It brought something out of me. Great,
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  Speaker 1: we get to go try to untangle that ball of yarn. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: And there's not like we can't just sit there and
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  Speaker 1: cut it apart and find out the truth. It's more
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  Speaker 1: about helping that person like emote through language and metabolize
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  Speaker 1: everything they're experiencing. But we're not on a quest for
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  Speaker 1: like what is empirically true.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and some clients tend to lean toward more scientifically based,
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  Speaker 6: you know, theories. They want to talk about more of
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  Speaker 6: that in session, and that matters more to them versus
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  Speaker 6: some some clients who come in and they care more
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  Speaker 6: about just how they feel day in and day out
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  Speaker 6: and they may not even care so much what's really happened.
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  Speaker 5: They just they just want to function better really life.
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  Speaker 2: It seems to me like the best solution between these
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  Speaker 2: two is having an informed perspective of the of the other. Yeah, right,
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  Speaker 2: so like having a therapy informed perspective in neuroscience or
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  Speaker 2: having a neuroscience informed perspective and therapy.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I agree with that. So there's the answer there.
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  Speaker 1: It is like the pet peds. I think I've several
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  Speaker 1: pet peeves about this topic, Picket. This is something I've
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  Speaker 1: gone off about over the nine years of the show
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  Speaker 1: quite a bit. Buckle up, bitches, Jim's on a rant,
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  Speaker 1: all right.
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  Speaker 2: Number one.
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  Speaker 1: I dislike when the general public mischaracterizes psychotherapy as not
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  Speaker 1: empirically based, like we are more We're not just asking
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  Speaker 1: about your feelings and like doing pros and art and
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  Speaker 1: poetry and sand trace. Everything that we do for the
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  Speaker 1: most part, if it's within our licensed profession, it is
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  Speaker 1: empirically based, like we have hard science, one hundred years
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  Speaker 1: of hard science. But you still do that other stuff too, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I still do the butts, but that's extra. But like
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  Speaker 1: the stuff that we do in psychotherapy, it validated work.
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  Speaker 1: We have one hundred years of data and like all
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  Speaker 1: these different modalities to show that therapy always beats placebo
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  Speaker 1: and that there are certain modalities that work in certain
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  Speaker 1: modalities that do not. And so we are a self
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  Speaker 1: refining profession and scientific endeavor that has books and books
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  Speaker 1: and books of science behind it, tons of research, but
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  Speaker 1: a lot of times the popular myth and think Pickett
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  Speaker 1: believes this. I'm just Picket asked about pet peeves, and
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  Speaker 1: this is one of them I have. The popular myth
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  Speaker 1: of psychotherapy is that it is this fringe, gray area
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  Speaker 1: thing and it's not a health science.
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  Speaker 3: That's just not true. Like that's just not true.
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  Speaker 1: Like you have to go do evidence based, research driven
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  Speaker 1: curriculum in order to become a licensed professional, and these
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  Speaker 1: licenses are guarded by boards that are holding you to
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  Speaker 1: that empirical data. So that's my first pet peve is
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  Speaker 1: that there is a misunderstanding that we're not research or
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  Speaker 1: scientific science backed. But the other pet peeve I have
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  Speaker 1: is how many fucking therapists go off roading into goddamn
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  Speaker 1: mythology all the fucking time and start becoming reiki masters
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  Speaker 1: and all this other bullshit and doing like energy work
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  Speaker 1: and like repressed memory work, even though repressed memory work
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  Speaker 1: has been debunked and you should not do it. We
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  Speaker 1: now know of it as a pseudo science, but it
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  Speaker 1: goes into this book of a whole bunch of other
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  Speaker 1: fucking pseudosciences like phrenology and all sorts of other shit
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  Speaker 1: that like a lot of therapists want to play with
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  Speaker 1: now and they depart from their license to work the
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  Speaker 1: thing they trained and got research driven back pronologies like
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  Speaker 1: head shape, right, yeah, you can touch that bumps on
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  Speaker 1: your head, and it tells you about who you are.
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  Speaker 3: Like, there's so many different like.
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  Speaker 1: Quackery, debunked quackery that like a lot of therapists go
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  Speaker 1: indulge in, and it pisses me off because like this
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  Speaker 1: is this is what feeds a lot of like the
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  Speaker 1: public's misunderstanding that we're not a science backed discipline, that
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  Speaker 1: we're not healthcare providers, that we are just these fucking
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  Speaker 1: voodoo specialists. You know, there's a bunch of therapists out
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  Speaker 1: there giving you like amethysts and ship to like feel better.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, but.
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  Speaker 4: The energy from the earth Okay, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, that's geology.
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  Speaker 3: That's nothing to do that is that is something though,
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  Speaker 3: that's going to happen when your profession, when when you
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  Speaker 3: do at the end of the day just say like
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  Speaker 3: we like the goal is to get you to a
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  Speaker 3: good spot to get through the day. Yes, and it's
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  Speaker 3: not because the goal is not to fix a base problem.
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  Speaker 3: The goal is to just get to the next day.
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  Speaker 3: It is.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes we're much more follow the patient into whatever works
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  Speaker 1: than a lot of other healthcare sciences because they're like there,
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  Speaker 1: if you go to a gastroenterologist then and you're like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: it helps me to use essential oils, they're gonna go great.
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  Speaker 3: I have no opinion about that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna encourage.
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  Speaker 1: We talk to a therapist and you're like, my depression
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  Speaker 1: seems to go away whenever I smell lavender. We're be
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  Speaker 1: like more lavender, do that, and so like you're right,
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  Speaker 1: like our profession does lend itself to solution focus like
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  Speaker 1: anything that's helpful, but it does start to play in
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  Speaker 1: the sandbox of like completely non substantiated like modalities that
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  Speaker 1: I don't I think if you're gonna do that, it's
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  Speaker 1: definitely it has and like for me, it's like I
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  Speaker 1: don't like it whenever a clinician who's licensed wears the
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  Speaker 1: cloak of their license, which commands public uh security and safety,
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  Speaker 1: and then we do off roading things that we're not
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  Speaker 1: licensed to do. Like it's like if your surgeon started
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  Speaker 1: doing voodoo and it's like, that's not they're not operating
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  Speaker 1: as a surgeon and now they're operating as a voo
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  Speaker 1: boo voodoo guy.
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  Speaker 4: Like bookay, I'm talking.
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  Speaker 1: About the Yeah, yeah, that's right. So yes, I do
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  Speaker 1: have pet peeves about this picket. But we aren't empirically
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  Speaker 1: supported healthcare professions.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you've said that several times, which is definitely
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  Speaker 3: what people who are very confident in that statement do
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  Speaker 3: is say it's several.
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  Speaker 1: Times people who are destigmatizing the profession.
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  Speaker 2: Can we just throw in untrained people should not be
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  Speaker 2: handling crystals? Okay? True, if you're not a shaman. Takes
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  Speaker 2: the number.
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  Speaker 1: Of therapists right now that identify as a shaman on
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  Speaker 1: your website all the goddamn times.
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  Speaker 2: You don't see.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, Energy worker.
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  Speaker 1: Reiki Masters, level two Reiki master just like.
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  Speaker 3: To compare to trast the difference between level one Reiki
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  Speaker 3: masters at level two I as a level.
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  Speaker 2: Difference which those two. It's like Congress when they said
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: about porn, like, you know, when you see it, if
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: you think.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: You've had reiki, wait till you get to level too.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, don't worry about it, you'll figure it out. Yeah,
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: you'll be fine anyway, hopefully that's helpful.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Pick it.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: It's a really good question. But this is an evolving
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: healthcare science. As all healthcare is an evolving thing. There
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: are things that you you know, put to the dustbin,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: there are things that you move forward with. Repressed memory
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: work is something that generally speaking, psychotherapy doesn't try to
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: do anymore because there have been too many instances that
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: we discovered that in our attempts to reveal the repressed memory,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: we accidentally imbued one right, inception right, and so like
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: then that person became very confused. And so nowadays ethically
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: we do not do that anymore. But there's an example
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: where neuroscience was saying at the time, hey, this doesn't
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: add up, and psychotherapy like ran away with this trend.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: So we needed to be rained in and that's why
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: it is a collaborative healthcare profession with the other allied
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: professions that work in psychology. So We love our neuroscience
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: friends and our psychiatrists and our psychologist's friends. We collaborate
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: with them. Does it need a higher barrier of entry psychotherapy. Yeah,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: it's going to be lowered. Actually, that's that's the future
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: because now the federal government will no longer pay the
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: student loans to go become a therapist because a master's
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: degree in psychotherapy is similar to like a law degree,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: and the federal government has recognized it does not earn
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: enough money to substantiate the student loans that we're going
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: to issue out.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Gotcha, But they will not.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Enforce the federal parody laws, which are the reason why
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: psychotherapists don't earn enough money. They'll just cut it all off. So, yeah,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: there's going to be a race to the bottom where
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: you're not going to have to be empirically trained, and
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: we're going to get more raiki masters instead of psychotherapists.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: That's the direction we're on. Well, patroon dot com slash
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: the health.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Oh Manja Smith's reki master would be amazing.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: If we could just do a quick how bet you
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: could get certified during the show. I'm just saying, I
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: feel like this whole racket is a field that I
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: could do really well.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Crush. Yeah, you're already doing so much, this whole, this
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: whole Shenanigan.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: We're gonna take quick break and when we come back,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: we're talking about self assessment. While waiting for an assessment,
• 19:22
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  Speaker 1: No, what is a pirate's favorite letter?
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  Speaker 6: Are? No?
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  Speaker 2: 'tis the sea?
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: My answer is better?
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah? So anyway, Uh, we're naming the I'm going to
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: give you clues and you got to name what or
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: identify what they all have in common that I'm so sad, Nina, Penta,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Santa Maria, do you in the bottom I'm drinking sangria? Sangria?
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Is the answer correct? All right? So buzz in when
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: you know it. Here we go first one scarlet, Ah peacock,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: also Joe Mustard, Oh clothes clue, Okay, here we go.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I eye wall rain, hurricanes.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, features of a hurricane Louisiana.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: You should have gotten No, I thought for sure. I
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: don't have the weather channel and everything I watched so much.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: We chack, escapement, balance wheel, main spring, crown, the bezel, bezel,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: isn't it for pastries? Say it again? Definitely heard the squeeze, escapement, Yes,
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: balance wheel.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Balance with pottery, main spring, buzz, the sexy scene and
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: ghost No.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: In the pottery j the last no close though, when
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: they get it parts of a mechanical watch.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: I don't think the bezel is an icing thing. Okay,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: what Oh it's the turn thing? Ash, Why did you
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: validate me?
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: I was wrong?
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: MOHAMMEDA. Gandhi, Julius Caesar, I mean buzz rulers, Nope, there's
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: more to it, okay, Martin, human rights, Abraham.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Lincoln, Oh buzz Yes, political leaders who were assassinated.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Correct, I was off the one, uh, Thermopyla, the Alamo,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: but little big horn last stands. Yeah, very good?
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: Are we tied?
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Is it to too? Yeah?
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: Point yes, I get them for just participating. I get
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: my participation trophy. I forget David Bowie.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Whitneys.
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: Let her explain the your Witney's VERSI Mexico was invading
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: on their own land, on their own land.
• 22:56
  Speaker 8: We wanted, we wanted to stand here and say no,
• 22:58
  Speaker 8: that's our land. Now get out of your land. This
• 23:03
  Speaker 8: is our And that's when the Bowie knife and and
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: what's the other guy's name, Sam Houston, they came in and.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: Said no, no, no, Tom Dallas, Yeah, Dallas.
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: I think I was like.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Was in there.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there wasn't.
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: Bowe's first name David, David, David Daniel. It's not Daniel Bowie, Daniel.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Boone, Daniel Daniel Boone was a man?
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Is Daniel Boone? Daniel Boone? That maybe that's what I
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: think of.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Bowie is a singer.
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: The Bowie knife is named after.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: That Bowie knife, Jim Bowie. I'm right, look it up.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: It's Jim Booe.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: I don't want to, don't care, James.
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: Then you.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Mentioned Voodoo earlier. Do you know the history of like
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: where that came from? This is Louisiana, fascinating, Okay, No,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: what it is? It's it's because black people were not
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: taught how to read, like it was illegal for them
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: to read.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: So if they went and we're it and you come
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: to this show for history, that's what you're here for.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: They would go see their their local person, their medicine person,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: and they would be complaining about something. They would make
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: a doll of the person and put a pin, so
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: like I'm complaining of a headache, they put a pin
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: in the head, and then they would put on the shelf.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: So when the person came back, they would grab it
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: and like like, oh, how is your head doing, because
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: there's been If it's still hurt, they leave the pen in.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: If it was better, they'd take it out. It was
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: the first medical records that they would use, but then
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: it was misinterpreted and then people then took that and
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: be like, oh, they're causing it to happen as opposed
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: to a recording.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, well now I feel silly, Kay people, Okay, you
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: came out ahead. Yeah, all right, I'm now pro voodoo.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: I think we're going beat this. It's just really medical records.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: It's honestly, I hate writing medical notes, so I'd rather
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: just have a little pin with like a thing and
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: a heart.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Like he said insurance. Look at the doll. So if
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: you're working with like a like in drug treatment, then
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: you just put a pin in the nose. Looks like,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: how's that going? The dolls just holding a little build
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: a bear drug addict bears.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm billing for PhD self assessing while waiting for
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: an assessment from our buddy Wayne.
• 25:43
  Speaker 9: Hi.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Everyone. Over the last few years, I've suspected I'm neuro
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: divergent in some way. It never really bothered me, and
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: I never really felt like I needed a label. Recently, though,
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: that's changed. I suspect I may be a u DHD
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: ADHD plus autism, and I feel like I should pursue
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: an assessment. My psychologist and GP both encourage it because
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: they think having an answer could make life easier and
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: help guide support. That's reassuring, especially because assessments are expensive
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: and I'd rather not spend that money only to be told, Nope,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: you're neurotypical. Another reassuring factor is that almost every spicy
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: brained friend I've spoken to has had one of two reactions,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: when were you diagnosed or you're autistic? Honestly, the second
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: one somehow feels like stronger evidence. Over the last few months,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: I've been dealing with what I think might be burnout
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: and emotional dysregulation. Around the same time, thanks to the
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: magical algorithm, my Instagram feed became almost entirely ADHD and
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: autism content. To my surprise, a huge amount of it
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: wasn't just interesting, it felt uncomfortably familiar. One thing I've
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: learned is that for some people with AUDHD, ADHD traits
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: can overshadow autistic needs. The result can be years of
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: pushing through sense reoverload, masking, and poor self regulation until
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: the system eventually falls apart. Whether that's what's happening with
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: me or not, I decided to experiment while I wait
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: for an assessment. I've started treating myself as though I
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: might be a UDHD and trying strategies that are commonly recommended.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: If they help, great if they don't. I've learned something
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: so far, I've been masking less. My social mask was
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: what I call me extra, an exaggerated version of myself
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: that tried to make every joke, join every conversation, and
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: be the center of attention. I eventually realized how exhausting
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: that was. These days, I still joke around, but it
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: feels natural rather than like a performance. I've also found
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: healthier outlets through Twitch, streaming, podcasts, and similar activities.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Two.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Letting myself stem if I need to stim I do
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: even at work. For me, that's things like clenching my hands,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: touching my fingers together, or vocal stems like echolalia. Three
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Planning for regulation. I don't leave home without my bag
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: of safety and preparation, containing things like my iPad, headphones, water, snacks,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: and notebooks. I don't always need everything, but knowing it's
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: there makes life easier. These changes have genuinely helped. I'm
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: recognizing overwhelmed sooner, regulating before I hit a wall, and
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: treating myself with far more compassion. But I also feel
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: more neurodivergent than I did before. Executive dysfunction is the
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: biggest example. Before, I'd force myself through tasks by assuming
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I was lazy or needed to try harder. Now, something
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: as simple as putting a bathroom drawer back after cleaning it,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: true story, feels overwhelming because my brain immediately sees every
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: step involved. It's almost as though my brain has decided.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Now that you understand how much forcing yourself has been costing.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: We're not doing that anymore. Sometimes I wonder whether this
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: is burnout depression or whether I'm simply noticing things that
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: were always there because I'm no longer suppressing them. One
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: unexpected change is that my self hatred has reduced dramatically.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: Instead of asking what's wrong with me, I've started asking
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: what does my brain need right now? Whether I receive
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: a diagnosis or not, that shift alone has been incredibly valuable.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: So I have a few questions.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: What is the professional view on self identification while waiting
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: for an assessment? Is it generally helpful if it leads
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: to healthier coping strategies? Or are there risks? Is imposter
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: syndrome common during.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: The assessment process?
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I regularly wonder what if I'm not neurodivergent? What if
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: I'm somehow faking all of this without realizing it? Is
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: it common to feel more autistic or ADHD after learning
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: about that and accommodating yourself. Are the traits becoming more noticeable?
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Or am I simply becoming aware of things that we're
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: always there? How do clinicians distinguish between burnout related skill
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: regression and simply giving yourself permission? To stop masking. Sometimes
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: I genuinely don't know which I'm experiencing. Finally, if someone
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: starts using neurodiversity friendly strategies before receiving a diagnosis, and
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: they consistently improve their quality of life, how much weight
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: should they give that? Obviously it's not evidence of a diagnosis,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: but can it still be meaningful? Thanks for everything you
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: all do. Hopefully I'll see you all in Vegas again soon,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: your pal Wayanne Geo.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Wo.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good question.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: That's a really good question of questions. Yeah, which one
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: do we start?
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Put them all in a hat, So let's start with
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: the first one.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: What is your professional view and self identification while waiting
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: for an assessment? Is it generally helpful? I always call this,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: and this is kind of a solution focused approach, we
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: call this preseason change. This was always really helpful when
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: whenever I was doing an assessment or a meeting with
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: a client, I would ask them, Okay, what have you
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: done so far?
• 30:51
  Speaker 8: Right?
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Right? Because then it's it kind of gives a little
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: bit of like hope and inspiration for the person realizing that,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: like when you come into treatment, you're actually further ahead
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: than where you think you actually are, You're not at
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: your low point, because sometimes people feel like I go
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: into treatment on my low point, Like, no, the going
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: in is your swing back up, right, right?
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: Most people have been at their low point yeah when
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: they get to treatment, but they're not.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I see what you mean.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Well, in adjacent to this, Nick, I think that this
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: is something we can relate to from the addiction's side,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: because we've had people come to treatment and say, I'm
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: here to find out if I'm an alcoholic, right, I'm
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: here to find out if there's a problem, And we
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: sort of approach that like, Okay, are you going to
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: wait for me to say yes or no before like
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: you do anything about this, because clearly it's bad enough
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: that you're here, right, So what are you looking for?
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: And like this is a very adjacent question that it
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: isn't so much the diagnosis that's going to decide any
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: of this. Like if you believe that you are, that's
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: enough for us to do something about it.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, do I fit in the label of alcoholic? I
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: need to kind of rephrase that into like is your
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: alcohol causing a problem? Right, because like you're here for
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: a reason, whether so so, whether or not the label
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: fits is irrelevant at that point.
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: But I feel like in a similar way that we
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: hear people seeking that like validation through a diagnosis of
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: either autism or ADHD.
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: That's a really good analogy.
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: I never thought about it because most people are coming
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: and I imagine, especially like alcoholism, something that's legal and
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: commonly used, so like, uh am I an alcoholic, Like
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: and I hear your perspective as a clinician, but I
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: feel like that's got to be really common, like or
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: more common than you think for people to come in
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: and they're looking for you to tell them. Maybe it's
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: because they were in an argument with their spouse about
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: it or family like it's not a problem, it's not
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: a problem, and they're looking for you to say, well,
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: you tell me, is this a problem?
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah?
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: That is that generated from other people telling them that
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: they're alcol hauling, right, and then like they've been fighting
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: back against that right.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: That's that's smoking different between these two examples.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: The difference, well, but think about it, like, and this
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: goes back to Wayne's second question about imposters.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: I'm just getting distracted imagine that.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I know it was interesting to be imagine that an
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: addiction diagnosis or substance use disorders, the technical term. Imagine
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: that that was liberating. Imagine that hearing that you go, oh,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: now I know why I love cocaine. It's been such
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: a mystery I have a disease.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: I thought it was weird that I loved so much.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: I love it so much more than everybody else in
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: the orgy. But like, ah, now I get it, And like, yeah, now, I.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Who don't love it just haven't tried it.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Honestly, Yeah, it seems to me it's always a good
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: but like, yeah, I mean, that's the difference with autism
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: and with ADHD in the present age is that it
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: is a liberating diagnosis, which is ironic because like when
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: we were kids in the eighties, in the early nineties,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: that's whenever the proliferation of ADHD became really really common,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: because in d S M three it was like simplified,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Like the ADHD diagnosis was hyper simplified, so pediatricians could
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: use it who had no mental health training and they
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: would literally just use the list, right, And that's when
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: we started seeing tons of our peers and our generation
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: getting a diagnosed of ADHD, which wasn't a good thing.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: It wasn't like, oh, that's it, Okay, we need to
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: appreciate that our kids different.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: It was like the kids, oh, all of the kids
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: like a few years younger than me. Like I was
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: just a little outside of it. I bet Nick was too.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Gen Xers were right on the edge, and then the
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: millennials come.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: And feel did we decide if you guys are xenials?
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Is that what we decided?
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: If you guys are right there on the borderline. I
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: think that's what we technically are. Yeah, the zials, we're
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: that like six year weird window gap. We all played
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: Oregon Trail.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: You do beat it?
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you had the competence to complete the game.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, of death.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: In our generation, you played it because your better games
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: were at home.
• 35:03
  Speaker 8: We got it.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: We were excited to go to school so that we
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: could play it.
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: There.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Trail or math blasters, those were the options.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Did y'all have Solitaire?
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: These were computers that had like a five and a
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: half inch or five inch or whatever. The measurement was
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: floppy disk and you you'd put the disc in the drive,
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: you'd close the drive, and then you would turn.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: It on and turned the computer find it to click
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: on the screen.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean like, yeah, it wouldn't it wouldn't any.
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: Of that other so simple. Back then.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: The kids younger I forgot, well yeah, but we saw
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: the proliferation of it.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: This goes back to like the kids younger than than us,
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Like it was like the holes were just literally everybody.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: And then the reason exactly it was true, and and
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: the reason why was because the d s M three
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: was placed in such a way or designed such way
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: that pediatricians could diagnose with it.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: So it just exploded.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: And then you fast forward twenty something years, thirty years
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: in our case, and like now we see autism and
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: ADHD as this explanatory force for people where they almost
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: crave the diagnosis or the diagnosis be validating, whereas our
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: other example of addiction not so much. Like people are like, oh,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: that's not a good thing. I would be ashamed to
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: find that out. But with autism or DHD, it's like, oh, okay,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: so I've struggled in these areas, or I've noticed I
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: can't complete tasks or low motivation or low focus or
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: all these other things, or hyperstimulation or things like that, overwhelm, masking,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: pretending to be somebody I'm not aping what I think
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: other humans are, but it feels inauthentic to me. And
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: then later they learned I could have this diagnosis and
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: there is a validation to that, and so I want
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: to like support Wyne in that because that's a very
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: common thing to crave, right, because it feels like society's built.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: It's like being a left handed person in a right
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: handed world, right, like the world is built for the
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: quote unquote typicals. And then whenever you're neurodivergent, either we
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: diseasify that and pathologize it like we did in the
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: nineties and in the eighties, or now we embrace it
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: and we almost celebrate it, which I think is better,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: but it does create this other, you know, the Teeter
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Totter slips the other side effect, where now it's celebrated,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: it's heroized, and instead of being something that's managed, sometimes
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: it's like, no, the world needs to change around me.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: That's where I'm really glad to see that Wayne's not
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: doing that, like Wayne is saying, no, I'm borrowing the
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: skills that people with these things with the diagnosis use
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: to optimize their lives and do better great and that
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: includes like ridding yourself of an authenticity and like being
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: who you really are and not having to be performative
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: and masking and stuff like that. So all of that
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: I think is really good, and I think the imposter
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: syndrome is normal too, Like yeah, you feel like something's
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: really validating. It's like, oh, if that were true of me,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: that would explain so much. And it's like, Okay, that'd
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: be great if that were true.
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: That fear is really common. I see that a lot
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: with clients who come in and they're maybe in a
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: similar situation. I talk with them about going to get
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: maybe evaluated if they can, if they can afford it,
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: or their healthcare will cover it. And that is a
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: huge here going into it's like almost being scared. Yeah,
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: like that they're just going to say, yeah, you're neurotypical.
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: That's all in your head, Like you're kind of gas lit,
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: a little bitter.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: And this is something like if you really want to
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: test yourself, Wayne, now that you're back on the Patreon,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: go find my ADHD deep dive and.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: Do that test.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: That's the test.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: You have to listen to it through.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Then you do have six hours.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: It's four parts.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Each one's ninety minutes, but like one of the things
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: we talk about in there. I talk about in there
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: is that the several people the diagnosis is not what
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: you think it different. A lot of people put so
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: much weight into the diagnosis. The diagnosis only has value,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, for legal reasons. It may have access.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: It gives you access to medicine. It also gives you
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: access to accommodations, and sometimes that's really really helpful in
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: the society you live, in your workplace. But like for
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: personal valid dation, the diagnosis is not like a blood test.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: There's no empirical science. It's a self report, diagnostic assessment.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Somebody sits with you and asks you questions. If you
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: use your AI to ask, like what would an autistic
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: or adia person say to those questions, you could just
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: answer them all and you'll receive the diagnosis. The only
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: thing more elaborate than a self assessment of just asking
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: you questions is sometimes sending in surveys to like a
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: former teacher of yours, a coworker of yours, a parent
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: of yours, and saying what was Wayne like when he
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: was ten?
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: And like again, all of that.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Is people's huge, just a douche, You're just so mean.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: This is constantly pulling the wings off. Yeah, so like
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: all this is so subjective.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: He had a huge brought his own. He didn't have
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: to give him any.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: Over the bok.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, don't put too much into the diagnosis. A
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: lot of people look for that as this human validator.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: And the thing I talk about in the Deep Dive
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: is it will never be that. And if you do
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: do the assessments, you'll come away being like, oh no,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: did I lie? Like that's the number one thing I
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: hear people say, like, I wouldn't got the professional assessment,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: but I'm scared, Jim, did I embellish things because it
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: was important to me to get the diagnosis?
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Is it true or not true?
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: And I tell them you're asking the wrong question. What
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: you need to be looking at is do you benefit
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: from the treatments and do you subjectively align with the
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: way other people relate to these things. If those two
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: things are true, then call yourself autistic, call yourself ADHD,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: call yourself both. I don't care, because at the end
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: of the day, you benefit from this new strategy.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Use the strategy well. Also, I think it's important to
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: point out too that at the end of the day,
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: the strategy works, and that's the most important thing because
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: it's also possible that the diagnosis is completely wrong, but
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: the strategy is the same, right, Yeah, I mean there
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: could be a new disorder that we don't even realize yet,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: that we don't know about, that in ten years we realized,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: oh Wayne actually had this. However, the strategies were very
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: similar to how we would treat these other issues, these
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: other diagnoses.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: So, Wayne, that should make you feel better. You probably
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: have something that hadn't even been identified yet.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, really not any hope, You're welcome. Wayne.
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: Another thing to worry Wayne, You have Wayne tism.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: He's wayneistic.
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: I wanted to comment to on like once you feel like,
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: oh I have this diagnosis or yeah, okay I'm autistic
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: or I'm audihd am I displaying more traits now? Is
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: that like almost exacerbating the issue? And so it's kind
• 41:45
  Speaker 6: of like I don't think so, I mean maybe, but
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: I don't think it's faking. It's just that that the
• 41:52
  Speaker 6: pendulum has swung from I have to mask and keep
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: this a big secret to I can be really.
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: Free about this.
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: And so maybe is going like you know, further the
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: other way where it's just like no mask, which we
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: all put on masks for different roles. Let me just
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: throw that out there.
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: But I think that.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Whitney wears a Chewbacca mask and we've asked her not to.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: I won't stop.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: I can't, so it really kills my boner.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: You're welcome, disinvited from all the high.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: Who's the chicken chaka Whitney?
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: You just said wear a mask?
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: In the invitation, nobody was wearing a Chewbacca mask.
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: There were examples Tomato, Tomato, it.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Gotta be me, my you.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: You bring up a really good point, which is like,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: can't do it.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: It sounds so sexual now.
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: A lot of gurgling.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Joey.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: All right, this is the one of a kind show.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: Therapy is an unusual thing in the world.
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: Like the symptoms becoming more Yeah.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Well, I think there's two truths to that, one being
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: really learning more about a diagnostic structure, you start to
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: connect your own dots that can happen out all by itself. Also,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: adopting any form of language that tries to describe things,
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: you will connect dots. If you adopt a religion and
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: you or you go start going to a religion, right,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: but if you start attending Sunday School and you learn
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: about sin and shame and mistakes and redemption and grace.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: You will then take that and apply it to your
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: life and go, yes, it must be true because look,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: those things connect to these things. Any meta narrative can
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: do that.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: What's the sharpshooter fallacy? Go on?
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Where you that's somebody who's beaten Oregon trail. That's a
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: man who's beaten Oregon trail. We don't know about the
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: sharp call.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Of duty, but you you fire the arrow first and
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: you draw the target around it.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: Oh I see, Yeah, so I'm not a sharp shooter.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: You shoot, you shoot it, and then you're like, oh
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: that that's the that's the that's whatever you hit.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: That's what I meant, that's why. Yeah. So it's yeah,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: it's kind of yeah, you're kind of doing this a
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: different different way. The other thing, too, is like it's
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: kind of like you become more aware of things. You know,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Like if you're shopping for a car, this is so true.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: You never see that car until I want to buy
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: that car and see him.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: They ruined me about ten years ago by pointing out
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: that Las Vegas has a.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Lot of he tore it up.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: He was like, God, what's up with all the Nissan
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: Ultima's in Las Vegas? And I was like what?
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: And from that day on, Yeah, everywhere I looked, I
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: was like, oh my god. I was like I could
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: see the matrix all of a sudden, like everybody fucking
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: has any's on Ultima. And then I bought one that same.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Year, did you Yeah, Oh yeah, that's on you. I know,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: And I think you planted that thought since a story. Yeah,
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: tell us more about the Nissan. It was pretty bad.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: It was a really bad news Ultima, very bad news
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: on Altama and the way they're built of a headlight
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: goes out, it's a pain in the ask to change something.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: You can't just reach in and do the head I
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: gotta go through the fucking engine.
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: Have more questions.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: There were some other things.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: In there, burnout skill regression versus simply giving yourself permission
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: to stop masking. So like, I've had patients that ask me,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: do you think I'm autistic?
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Do you think I have a h D?
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: I think I asking all these things. I tell them
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: I want you to be less interested in me rendering
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: a verdict on this and more interested in telling me
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: about your truth, right, So do you feel that you
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: falsely present yourself to the world and what does it
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: feel like to stop doing that? And I think that's
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: really really healthy because there is a burnout whenever you're
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: constantly like pretending to be somebody gonna poll Well, yeah,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: and so like I as a therapist, if I have
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: a patient that we're exploring, that that's awesome. Like as
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: a clinician, I don't need to different wrensheet between the
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: two to figure out what's true in that situation. Wayne,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: I'm interested in what your subjective experiences. You're feeling overtaxed, overstimulated,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: and overwhelmed. And when we start to change the little
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: knobs and dials on your life, we're experimenting with loosening
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: the grip of that overwhelm.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: I want to do that with you.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: I don't have a name for what that is in
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: your life. I'm fine with your hypotheses. I just want
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: to experiment and see what that feels like for you.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: I think that's how most therapists would approach that, except
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: for Nick, because he's only thinking about Nissan Ultimus.
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: Yep, he said, he's pro but kind of against So
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: to that answer.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Contraryan perspective.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: It's the duality of tangiment.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: You can't put me in a box.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: Nobody puts.
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: It works. Okay, let me tell you.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: Luckily he had dressed so best. Orgy, we've had it
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: pod therapy. We're gonna take a quick break and when
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: we come back, he wasn't the word.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: We're talking about morning and evening routines. You're listening to Politics.
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  Speaker 1: SA alright, last, Tria, I believe I'm in the lead.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's go with here we go, intake, compression, power, exhaust.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Give it to Whitney an engine. I'll give it to you.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: It's the four.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Strokes of a four stroke engine. Oh oh wow, that's
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: what their strokes are. Strokes.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, you did better than me. I was going
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: to say a car, and I don't think you'd have.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Given it to me. Uh no, I would not have
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: given that to you.
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: Uh that's my my highway. I never get these, So
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: I'm an on that one.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: All got it, walks away on a way. There's no
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: way any of you're going to get this one.
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: Challenge accepted.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia, Vatican City, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates buzz and
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: no fuck buzz.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Yes, people are countries that are led by a dictator
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: or a single leader.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: No, this is a geography question. Just yeah, So Samgan Bahrain,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia, Vatican City, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates.
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: Bahrain, places surround or like tiny countries within a country.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Or all three or all five of these countries don't
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: have something something.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: I mean Vatican City, so they've got a pope.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: That's Arabia, Vatican City, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates, bahering a
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: lot of those oil.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: One of them has Mecca.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: They they don't have what they don't have. They don't geographical,
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: they don't have features like an ocean front.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: They don't have they don't have their own body of water.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: No, Saudi Arabia does quate does a b u A?
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: This is fun?
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: What do they not a mountain.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, a mountain, No, you're an idiot. A river, yes, river.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Countries with no permanent rivers.
• 49:36
  Speaker 9: There you go.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: God, Okay, let's do uh, let's do this one last
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: one Sherlock Holmes, Jessica Fletcher. But yes, yeah, yeah, fictional detectives, yeah.
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: Jessica, She wrote, I was like something, I just need
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  Speaker 4: a detection, ben Wa Blanc.
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  Speaker 8: Ye.
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  Speaker 2: I love those balls.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: To morning and evening routines, Hi, Jim Nick Whitney and
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: doctor Jacob Evening. I'd love to know whether you have
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: any morning or evening routines you'd like to share. Whenever
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: I start thinking about creating routines for myself, there are
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: so many things I want to fit in that end
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: up doing nothing at all. For example, meditation, reading something inspirational,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: learning something new, exercise, journaling, getting sunlight, and more. How
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: do people make time for all this while also working,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: doing chores, and spending time with friends. Ideally I'd also
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: like to get eight or more hours of sleep, but
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: even that feels difficult. Instead, I often end up doing
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: the opposite, staying up late, scrolling and not getting enough sleep.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: What do your routines look like? When do you usually
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: get up and go to bed. Which of these things
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: do you do or intentionally not do? And how do
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: you fit everything together without becoming overwhelmed. I'd also be
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: curious whether you have any simple, nutritious breakfast or dinner
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: ideas that realistically fit into your routines. It seems like
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: Nick would have a few good ideas here too, thanks
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: from the therapod. Pronouns are she and her?
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 51:19
  Speaker 6: Go on? Nick?
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: Well do you have them?
• 51:22
  Speaker 6: Your morning starts so early, like so in some ways,
• 51:26
  Speaker 6: I'm like it's a routine because you know, like I'm
• 51:27
  Speaker 6: gonna get up, I'm gonna go to It's fun.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Because the three of you in our text chain will
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: have texts that go to midnight yeah yeah, and then
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: I will be texting back at like five am, a hey, yeah,
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: so that good guys.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: And then during the star year, I'm on both of
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: the yeah so one wake up at five?
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah'll y'all haven't noticed that my late nights and morning
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: when have started running together as well?
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: I know?
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so my morning's I'll be up at four thirty
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: and then I'm usually at the gym at six. Then
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: I've got.
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: Her alarm goes off.
• 52:03
  Speaker 6: What do you do nexts, Yeah, ten eggs, jump in
• 52:09
  Speaker 6: the cold plunge, the gold plune, do yoga in the
• 52:12
  Speaker 6: cold pluge.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: No. The first thing I do is I take Penny out.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: She'll go outside, and then does she wake you up?
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: She'll wait to get up. Well, she wakes me up.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: She'll sleep in her bed until about one o'clock in
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: the morning, and then she comes over to the bed
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: and starts whining and then I have to I have
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: to get up and I have to physically.
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: Pick her up and carry her into my The stairstep.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: For I was like what she calls a mister nick
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: instead of father.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: But yeah, she usually just jumps down like four thirty
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: in the morning, she's ready to go. Okay, So then
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: I take her outside, feed her, and then I start
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: getting ready for the day. And then I go to
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: the gym by six because I usually have a I'm
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: usually there by five thirty six before you leave.
• 53:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you skipped like an hour and a half and
• 53:03
  Speaker 6: there I feel like, yeah, well, like forty five minutes
• 53:06
  Speaker 6: on the toilet just you.
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: Know, scrolling into that's true.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: Scroll, It's an important ritual.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's part of my Yeah, so I get caught
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: up on the news scrolling not at night, not at night,
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: and then yeah, so I usually just just get ready
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: and just leave because it's about twenty minute drive to
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: the gym. So then I'll get to the gym by
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: about five thirty or a little after, do a session
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: from six to seven, and then I go home. And
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: then there's usually some other stuff, random shit around the house.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: I try to pick up or clean or something. Then
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: just get ready for the day and then work. My
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: My day starts at eight thirty, work eight thirty to five,
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: and then i go back to the gym and then
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: I'm back at the gym until about eight o'clock, nine
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: o'clock at night. Damn. So yeah, it's a lot of
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: time at the gym. Yep.
• 53:55
  Speaker 6: Just to the fitting in all the things that the
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: writer mentioned, this is something that it has been discussed
• 54:01
  Speaker 6: in our household many times. Were like how do people
• 54:03
  Speaker 6: with normal jobs?
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: And like you have your your eight to five kids.
• 54:09
  Speaker 6: All that stuff, say both parents have that if the
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: two parent household even harder and single parent, but you
• 54:14
  Speaker 6: have kids, you have all these things. We're like, how
• 54:18
  Speaker 6: how are they doing anything? How are they doing half
• 54:20
  Speaker 6: the things we want to We want to do all
• 54:21
  Speaker 6: those things too. I want to meditate for like ten minutes.
• 54:24
  Speaker 6: I want to you know, stretch and like go to
• 54:26
  Speaker 6: the gym and get my steps in and then like
• 54:30
  Speaker 6: it's just a lot, and make a good breakfast.
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: And yeah, I barely had time to go get a
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: massage today.
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: Exactly bare. But yeah, you don't work in normal jobs.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: That's why I don't have time for a happy ending.
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: I do.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Actually, whatever you were going to do, cancel that. I'm
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: gonna be late, sorry, mom a few minutes, like blood
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: the candles with that.
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: So my answer is I don't think there's enough time.
• 55:02
  Speaker 6: I don't know what what else is going on, but
• 55:04
  Speaker 6: I think there's barely enough time if you're just a
• 55:06
  Speaker 6: single human existing to fit it all in. But I
• 55:10
  Speaker 6: think that if most days you can fit some of
• 55:14
  Speaker 6: those things in. Like maybe you're not meditating every day,
• 55:17
  Speaker 6: but you're you're doing it three days a week or
• 55:19
  Speaker 6: four days a week. Maybe you're not going to the
• 55:21
  Speaker 6: gym every day, but you're doing it two days a week, three.
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: Days a week.
• 55:25
  Speaker 6: Like, I think that finding balance is important. And then
• 55:29
  Speaker 6: what has helped like me and Peter, like stay on
• 55:32
  Speaker 6: courses we fill out like actual worksheet. Oh, this is
• 55:36
  Speaker 6: weirdly really helpful, and I don't I'm not selfish.
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: It was it Amy Amy.
• 55:45
  Speaker 6: He's really into stuff like that, like finding ways to
• 55:49
  Speaker 6: get organized. He's structured.
• 55:51
  Speaker 5: I'm all over the place.
• 55:52
  Speaker 6: So but actually writing down your to do list and
• 55:56
  Speaker 6: sometimes for the day it's like eight eight like time blocking.
• 55:59
  Speaker 6: I guess what it is, but just it's literally a
• 56:02
  Speaker 6: worksheet we print out because we're, you know, forties now,
• 56:05
  Speaker 6: so we're old people. But I like that.
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: It's it's.
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's on a giant, giant board.
• 56:18
  Speaker 6: But yeah, well there's like part of it where it
• 56:21
  Speaker 6: is just like literal time blocks, and we give more
• 56:23
  Speaker 6: of that. So if you're struggling with those of you
• 56:26
  Speaker 6: out there with nerdive vergence, I know this is a
• 56:28
  Speaker 6: real challenge trying to stay on task and fit in
• 56:30
  Speaker 6: all the things you want to do without getting distracted
• 56:32
  Speaker 6: or scrolling for hours. Like, if you know it's going
• 56:35
  Speaker 6: to take you, you know, thirty minutes to do something,
• 56:38
  Speaker 6: give yourself forty five. Yeah, yeah, give it an hour.
• 56:41
  Speaker 6: If you have extra time, great, you can you can
• 56:43
  Speaker 6: go get your steps in or you can do whatever.
• 56:45
  Speaker 6: Just rest it will probably take you that long. Like
• 56:47
  Speaker 6: we always think things are going to take less time for.
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: Me in the morning if I if I'm really looking
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: to have a nice morning and like get my day started, well, yeah,
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: there's you know, the pre requisite of getting enough rest.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: You know that, that's the easy one to point at.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: But also not being hurried in the morning, having enough
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: time to just you know, like if I'm gonna sit
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: and have some tea or something like that, I want
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: to have I want to have some time to sit
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: and have some tea. And and you mentioned in the
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: letter as well, just getting outside. I like having my
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: morning tea outside.
• 57:21
  Speaker 5: Yes, some sunlight.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: It's so nice just having it outside.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: If I have emails to respond to, I do that outside.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: Uh you know, I just said, ye know, when it's
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: hot right now. I went outside this morning it was time.
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: She's ninety five degrees and it was I have.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: A thermometer out there right next to where I sit.
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: It was ninety nine degrees at Yeah, it was like
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: eight thirty or.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: Nine o'clock in the morning.
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you're not wrong. I have started.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: But turn the fan on.
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: I've got Yeah, the fan holds a.
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: Lot and in the shade.
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: As long as you're in the shade with a shade
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: fan and swamp.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: Cooler, you've got their block of ice you put your
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: balls on.
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: Yep, yeah, cools everything.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: She has a name.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: Oh sorry, and it is Jim's wife that Hey, we
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: appreciate the benefits, honestly, very generous package.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: It has been a very good package.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: I didn't think you were gonna put a four oh
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: one k in the job, and we're just thankful makes
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: the opportunity.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: It's been really great.
• 58:14
  Speaker 6: No getting up early, that's a good point. I am
• 58:17
  Speaker 6: not a morning person. Like, I'm not someone who gets
• 58:19
  Speaker 6: up before seven am. And man, I've been getting up
• 58:23
  Speaker 6: at like five point thirty to go meet a friend
• 58:25
  Speaker 6: to go on like runs two days a week.
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: And I come back and I am like full of energy.
• 58:31
  Speaker 6: I get like dishes done at seven. I'm like doing
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: all kinds of stuff. And yeah, it's it's crazy how
• 58:37
  Speaker 6: much your energized I am.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, yeah, if you can train yourself to
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: be a morning person, it makes such a difference.
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: It's amazing how much more of your day you get.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: Just I mean during the school year, right, like during
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: the summer, I wake up at like eight, and during
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: the school year, I wake up at like five, and
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: it's incredible how much of my hour is gone by Yeah,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: but by the time I wake up like what I
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: normally wake up my summertime, I've done so much shit.
• 58:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's incredible, Like I can do anything right, but
• 59:02
  Speaker 6: it takes me having to meet someone.
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: I am not a self starter in that department.
• 59:05
  Speaker 6: I'm just gonna throw that out there, Like, if it's
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: up to me to get up at five theory, yeah,
• 59:09
  Speaker 6: probably think I might be up by six.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Then if you're like I do think that there's a
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: little bit too much. And I've seen this a lot
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: in the manisphere, and maybe you know others have noticed
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: this too, that there's like this mythologizing of the morning
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, you've got to wake up
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: to do one hundred push ups and like yeah cold plunge,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: like and it's like, look, we're all kind of slow
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: and lethargic in the morning. And sometimes I don't think
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: you have to force yourself into this David Goggin's fucking
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: lifestyle to like torture yourself and that's the only way
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: you're going to meet all your goals. Like some of
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: this shit is so arbitrary.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: If I have, like truly, if I have half an
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: hour that I can go sit down, have some tea,
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: maybe respond to some morning emails, maybe just sit there
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: for for ten minutes, and that's maybe not do anything.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Like by the time I stand up, Yeah, I'm moving,
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: I'm ready to go. Yeah, I don't know. I don't
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: need cold plunge.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: I don't need any of the other bullshit. Like I'm
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: I'm my body has what it wants to do, and
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: it's gotten itself going, and like okay, now I'm now.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: I get some path to that is meditation. Some people's
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: path to that is like exercise or activation, yoga, you know,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: like a prayer, fine, or like morning reading. But like
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: I really think it's all going to the same goal,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: which is just I want to be mentally ready.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: If I'm busy for the day, like Whitney talks about
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: her worksheet, you know, I might sit there and just
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: think through my day. Right, It's like, Okay, here are
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: the things I've got to get done. Here's you know,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna leave this at this
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: time so I can get across enemies every day.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, I n them over them, like the like the
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: Stark girl, if.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: I had Stark, we all knew.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: But I did this too when when Jim and I
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: worked together for a while. This was like something that
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: really worked for me is I would I would go early,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: Like I would leave like an hour early. I'd go
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: to a coffee shop that was down the street, and
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: I would sit there and have my coffee and I
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: would read and I would read a book. And it
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: was just kind of a way to just kind of
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: start my day and just kind of be ready. But
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: it's a lot of trial and error. You just have
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: to try something, and some things are gonna work for
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: some people. They're not gonna work for others. But you
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: kind of have to force yourself to find time to
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: work it in and be able to. I like, I'm
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: a big proponent of the mornings because then you get
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: everything started off in a in like the right pattern.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: Like I think, I feel like we can all be
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: successful if we start off working towards success as opposed
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: to trying to catch up and be successful at the
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: end of the day. Yeah.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: I think one other thing that the writer's talking about,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: which needs to be addressed is the progress versus perfection problem.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: So for a lot of people, they can't go do
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: a full workout and they think, well, if you're going
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: to work out, you're trying to build muscle. And so
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: if I can't go three or four day week, then
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: why even do anything right? Why even just go on Saturdays?
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: If I'm only gonna go on Saturday, then it's not
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: worth it. I shouldn't do anything at all. Or if
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: I can't meditate or read these books all at the
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: right times, if I can't develop a solid routine, then
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: it's not worth trying at all. And that's that perfection mindset.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: And I think we all need to take this like
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: no one percent improvement approach. If you can meditate on
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: your drive to work and instead of listening to a podcast,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: which you should always listen to ours, but after ours,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: you just turn on silence and you choose to think
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: over an intentional thought on your morning drive.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: You did it right.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: If you can just do it for five minutes while
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: you're sitting on the john while you're doing your Instagram
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: instead of going through Instagram, put that aside and do
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: your meditation right there. Just these small things like I
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: saw this thing of the day that has changed my life,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: and it's.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: That I'm imagining mind Testine.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: I'm vacating, I'm imagining things moving evat waiting.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: I saw this thing the other day. That is I've
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: been using it NonStop. Love this idea so much. You
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: should look at every week as a seven game series,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: and all you're trying to do is best of seven
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: all and if you lose, if you lose a day
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: bad Tuesday, it's all right, come back Wednesday. You're just
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: trying to get four out of the seven. And so
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: whatever your habit is that you're trying to integrate, a
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: lot of times you get yourself what kind.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: Of magical cookie cutter life? You can win four days
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: out of seven, it's a better goal. Because a lot
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: of they'll say.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: This week, i'm gonna meditate every day this week, I'm
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: going to extralyze every day, and then Tuesday they fail,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: they're like, well, fuck it, I'll start again next week.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: And that's a bad idea, right because a lot of
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: us flush the habit and we don't get practiced doing it.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: So instead, if you fail on Tuesday, you say, okay,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: I'm going for best of seven. It's a series, right, Okay,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: I dropped game two, let's go to game three. I'm
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: gonna try it again. And like that gives you so
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: much more mental freedom, though, feel free to quit, go
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: for the seventh. That's when it's time to just down.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: Come back next week, hit it hard. I like that
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: mentality because it allows us to do the progress not
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: perfection mindset where you're trying to just get a small
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: new routine, a small version of that routine.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: And it doesn't have to be every single day.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: Then it's develop a habit. The old saying is like,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: don't let perfection be the progress. Yeah, so that be
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: the enemy of better.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: Well, and I think I can relate to that too,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: because like, the the busier my personal training calendar gets,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: the more out of shape I get. Oh interesting, because
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: I'm at the gym all the time working not for me.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: I'm never there for me. So like if I want
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: to get my workouts in, I get them in between
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: sessions or before a session or after a session, and
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: they're not quality working right right, But it's just like
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: but it's just it's what I got, it's what's available.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: And this is that is the worst when I'm looking
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: at that full calendar and going like, I know, I'm
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: going to feel like garbage. I'm going to eat like
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: shit and feel like garbage. Like I'm not gonna have
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: enough time to eat, I'm not gonna be able to relax,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna be able to digest. I'm not going
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: to sleep, I'm not gonna do anything. I'm just gonna
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: be miserable for this long of a time.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, see it coming. Have you thought about getting a
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: personal trainer? No, I don't know any Okay, yeah, yeah,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: I'm the only good one I know.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 6: I was going to say something that's helpful for me
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 6: too in the mornings is not looking at my phone
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 6: right away. Oh yeah, I know it sounds like so
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 6: simple and cliche, but the mornings where I'm like, let
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 6: me just look the one thing and then I start
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 6: down the rabbit hole.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: But even just the light getting going into your eyes,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: that's a rough way to start your day. It's a
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: jarring way to start.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 5: Your day in the mornings.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 9: The same thing going to bed, like that's I don't
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 9: know about the Yeah, I don't claim to know anything
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 9: about the mental side of like, you know, slowing your
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 9: brain down and not reading and not scrolling everything as
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 9: you're going to sleep.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: But not just dumping that light into your eyeballs like
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: that's something. Then you're all better people than I am,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: because I am not going to be left alone with
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: my thoughts.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 5: Oh well at night?
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: Do you remember the old days?
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: And we used to read like shampoo bottles and ship?
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: Do you remember that? I used to.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: It's like you could go through like the bathroom and
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: be like, all right, so what's this madam?
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: That there's like John's Bathroom Reader and things.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: Like that, like the comic you read, basket of newspapers
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: and stuff. I have never been somebody who just wants
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: to hang out on the toilet.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 4: Really, you're like the only man I know business.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: I get my business done and I'm gone him. I turned.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: It does its business that drives me off, and then
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm off and running just moving on.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: I got ship to do.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: Apparently have ship to do. He has doing some ship.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: He's got high horses to ride that.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 5: What is your meals?
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: Answer? Because I have a oh meal.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: I've got a couple favorites. Okay, okay, so like if
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  Speaker 2: you uh for eggs, like scrambled you put them in
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  Speaker 2: a mug. Do you cook them in the microwave?
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  Speaker 3: No, I never done that.
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  Speaker 1: Crack a couple of eggs in a coffee mug, throwing
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  Speaker 1: diced onions like you do, like a thing of pre
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  Speaker 1: diced onions.
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  Speaker 2: Is all like that?
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  Speaker 1: Cheddar diced onions, salt and pepper. Uh, stirred up bacon.
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  Speaker 1: If you have like chopped up bacon bits, throw it in.
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  Speaker 1: I make breakfast with the kids. So like you stir
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: this up inside of the mug. You throw it in
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  Speaker 1: the microwave for a minute, pull it out, stirred again,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: put it back in one more minute. It's scrambled egg
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  Speaker 1: omelet inside of a mug.
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  Speaker 2: It's really I'm not eating microwaved eggs. Now, what I
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: do like microwave judgment eggs shots, let's go, No, I'll
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: do I'll do scrambled eggs. But what I like to
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: do is I'll take sun dried tomatoes, diced sun dried
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  Speaker 2: tomatoes with like uh basil head.
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  Speaker 3: I've heard some people say basil, but that's yeah, and.
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  Speaker 2: Then uh, maybe a little bit of cheese. But like
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  Speaker 2: that's a really good recipe that I like for eggs.
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  Speaker 2: Really quick, really easy. You just throw it all in there,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: mix it all together. Another one and I think I
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: actually bought this for you. I'm sure you probably just
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  Speaker 2: threw it away. I'm not sure how to pronounce it's yeah,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: duck a spice d u k k a h. That
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  Speaker 2: was nasty. It's so gross. No, it's an Egyptian Middle
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: Eastern condiment. It's a spice mix and it's kind of
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: I'm not even sure what's all in it. It's got
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: to have maybe chunks of almond or something in there.
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  Speaker 5: But uh oh yeah, the picture, that's a video I
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  Speaker 5: took Jacob.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it goes in and comes right back out.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing on the bone. So I'll take baby spinach bone,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: a bunch of baby spinach, put it in a saucepan
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  Speaker 2: or frying pan, and then uh the Duca seasoning and
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: then some cocoaminos and just and then just kind of
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: stir that around. So that's nice and green. That's a
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: really quick easy way to get some vegetables.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: In what is a what is a busy person, So
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: like my busy person dinnertime thing. Crock potting, dude, I'm
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: so loving the crock potting is good. Yeah, I just
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: got this new one that's like a metal interior instead
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: of like the ceramic bowl, so just cleaner and it's
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: like so much easier to deal with. But oh my god,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: I have so many crock pot meals in my rotation.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: What's your favorite easiest crock pot.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna experiment with another one this week. One I've
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: never done before. It's walking tacos, and so.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: Like I do walking tacos all the time, do you
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: I don't make him with a crock pot. I'll just
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: do like just a regular taco meat and then I'll
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: just have Dorito's put them in a big bowl. I
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: was actually thinking, like, because we were talking about doing
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: Christian Movie Night, I was thinking about doing like an
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: Iowa themed food and I was going to do walking tacos,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: you know, snicker salad, course bush light.
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  Speaker 8: And then.
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  Speaker 6: I just got lunch today with two friends from Arkansas
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 6: and we went to a tie place and Peter was like,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 6: they're not gonna have a bush light on that, and
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 6: so our buddy says, oh my god, they have bush light.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: I do a really One of my favorite crock pot
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: meals is it's like a chicken with a bag of
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: mixed veggies and stuff and like cream of chicken stuff,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: like you let that all got in there. Then you
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: go buy one of the Pillsbury biscuit cans, the ones
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: that like flake off into layers.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I don't know what those are called, but croissant.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: No, the little yeah, the crystal maybe it's that, but.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you do the flaky layers things, and you get
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: those and you lay.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: It on off ones peel off and yeah, biscuits.
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  Speaker 1: And so you do the little like things and you
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: you like lay it on top of all the chicken
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: and stuff inside and it bakes the whole thing together.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: The chicken pot pie. Yeah, and just like get chicken
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: pot pie and a scoop.
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  Speaker 2: Dude, it's so easy. That's really cool.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: Crockpot that that's my answer to like busy person like dining,
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: Like I had.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: All in there chili croc pot recipe. Okay, that was
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: that was a go to. I do that one a lot.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll do some instant pot stuff. I'll also do
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: a lot of just stuff.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: In a in a pan. Yeah, just like a chicken breast,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: like a chicken breast in a pan and or like
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: if I.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, if I'm doing pasta, like, I'll cook the chicken
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: breast in there and then and then just pour the
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: pasta sauce in there and little.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: We're doing pan meal. Those ones are easy too, well.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: Chop veggies, roast them up on a sheet.
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  Speaker 5: Pandles discord threat about easy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we need a rest, yeah, witness.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, the easiest breakfast.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 6: This is again I'm gonna claim all the credit even
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 6: though I do none of the work arounds.
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  Speaker 4: I don't do.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 6: Ship is a smoothie in the morning because here's what
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 6: we here's what goes into the smoothies. Yeah, I don't
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 6: eat breakfast. That's why Peter walk But he's like, you know,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 6: a smoothie half the talk, I like, no halftime.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 5: I'm like yes.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 6: So the smoothie, though, has everything because Peter will not
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 6: eat vegetables. That's his one time to get vegetables in.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 6: So he was like, frozen vegetables, frozen fruit. There's coq tin,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 6: there's turmeric. You gotta add pepper because you pepper for
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 6: the turmeric. It's all liquid that goes in there.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 6: Then there is flax seeds, chia seeds, and green juice. Yeah,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 6: so you get everything everything. Everything is a big smoothie,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 6: and you're good for the day. You can eat pizza
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 6: later because it doesn't matter.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: You already had your health and everything done. Wow, you're welcome.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: You can have four thousand calories after that.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: Finees, I did one good?
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: Do whatever I want? What is green juice? I don't
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: know either, but it's in there. It's just that it's
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: kind of I think it's like purple drink.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 5: Well, like, is anybody a healthy dinner?
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: No?
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: You just heard gems the easy God damn it. I'm
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: proud of it. There's veggies. Honestly, the thing that I've
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: been doing when I'm doing really good. I used to
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: meal prep, but that's who's got time for that. It
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: takes an entire day to do that. So I'll go
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: to in Vegas we have Foody Fit.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 5: I love Foody Fit.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: Usually on Monday nights when we record, I'll eat there
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: on the way.
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  Speaker 2: It's all pre made meals. It's like somebody did the
• 1:13:51
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• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: all listed macros buy your premiate meals. Yeah, other than
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  Speaker 2: you can just take those for the little crow.
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  Speaker 1: Shree stores also have like the taken bag Aisle now,
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  Speaker 1: which I like. It's starting to get really good. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: this is a standalone store or is this a brand?
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  Speaker 2: No, it's a standalone there's two locations and hew you so.
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  Speaker 1: Move to Vegas writer sign factor something.
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  Speaker 2: Every city has one of these.
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