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Sharri | 11 June · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good Evening.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 2: Tonight we issue our own sanctions against Pennywog and Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albanezi for their gross double standards on Israel and Hamas.
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Speaker 2: I also get perspectives from Israel and a former labor
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Speaker 2: heavyweight about what damage this government is doing to our
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Speaker 2: foreign policy. Also tonight, a curfew in Los Angeles after
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Speaker 2: another night of chaos as the number of injured journalists grows.
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Speaker 2: Pete Stepanovic is in LA and we'll bring us the latest.
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Speaker 2: Plus the psychiatrist will be on the show to share
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Speaker 2: her view on how a zembek alters the human brain.
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Speaker 2: She says it's even changing desires. That's coming up later.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to start tonight by issuing my own symbolic
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Speaker 2: sanctions against the two most damaging figures in the Albanezy government,
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister and the Foreign Minister. I sanction wong
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Speaker 2: An Albany for their antagonistic and extreme rahtoric, which over
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Speaker 2: the past twenty months has only inflamed anti Israel sentiment
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Speaker 2: and contributed to the dangerous rise of anti Semitism in
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Speaker 2: our country. They stand condemned. There can be no genuine
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Speaker 2: social cohesion, while our nation's leadership continues to pander to
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Speaker 2: rabid activists who hate Israel. Because it's clear that the
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Speaker 2: anti Israel protest movement has been the key driver of
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Speaker 2: the violence, doxing and harassment of Jewish Australians, Wong and
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Speaker 2: Albin EASi, in my view, are as dangerous to Australia's
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Speaker 2: social fabric as the very Israeli ministers they hipocratically sanctioned overnight. Now,
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Speaker 2: of course my sanctions will make no difference, just like
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Speaker 2: theirs won't make a difference to the Israeli ministers they've
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Speaker 2: sanctioned Ben Gevera and Smart Rich. But what matters is
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Speaker 2: the message it sense, and the message from the Albanzi
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Speaker 2: government is this, if you support Israel, you're the problem.
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Speaker 2: Now we all know that you don't issue sanctions against
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Speaker 2: a friend, you only issue them against an enemy like Russia.
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Speaker 2: And thus the Albanezi government is turning Israel into a
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Speaker 2: pariah's state and thus Zionists into outcasts. Around ninety nine
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Speaker 2: percent of Jews are Zionists, so this is extremely dangerous
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Speaker 2: for our social cohesion, and their move to issue sanctions
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Speaker 2: is juvenile. It's student union style political activism. It's not
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Speaker 2: considered foreign policy, but it does have serious implications. It'll
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Speaker 2: drive division and distrust, It'll fuel fear amongst Israelis, and
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Speaker 2: I believe it will increase hatred of Jews. Thankfully, there
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Speaker 2: is still leadership and common sense, if only from the
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Speaker 2: United States. The impressive Secretary of State Marco Rubio was
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Speaker 2: clear headed and principled when he said this today. He
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Speaker 2: said the sanctions do not advance US led efforts to
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Speaker 2: achieve a cease fire, bring all hostages home, and end
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Speaker 2: the war. He says, we reject any notion of equivalents.
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Speaker 2: Hamas is a terror organization that committed unspeakable atrocities, continues
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Speaker 2: to hold innocent civilian hostages, and prevents the people of
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Speaker 2: Gaza from living in peace. He said, we remind our
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Speaker 2: partners not to forget who the real enemy is, because
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Speaker 2: Wong and Albaneze have certainly forgotten who the enemy is.
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Speaker 2: And Marco Rubio said that the United States now urges
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Speaker 2: the reversal of these sanctions. He said, America stands shoulder
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Speaker 2: to shoulder with Israel. Now I've been told, and I
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Speaker 2: hope it's true that President Donald Trump plans to raise
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Speaker 2: this issue with Albinizi when he sees him at the
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Speaker 2: G seven shortly. But let's be clear, this move by
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Speaker 2: the Albenzi government today is fundamentally flawed and it's wrong
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Speaker 2: for three main reasons. It's gross double standards, It abuses
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Speaker 2: the purpose of the sanction regime, and it contributes to
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Speaker 2: an unwise broader anti Israel foreign policy campaign. And let's
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Speaker 2: start with that gross double standard. There are no sanctions
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Speaker 2: on Palestinian ministers despite their repeated incitement and glorification of violence.
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Speaker 2: And this includes the Palestinian President Mamu Dabas, who defended Hitler,
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Speaker 2: saying that the Nazi leader didn't kill Jews because of
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Speaker 2: their religion, but because of their social role in how
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Speaker 2: they dealt with money.
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Speaker 1: What are the Luna essays.
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Speaker 2: Lem And just this year, the Palestinian president also said
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Speaker 2: that he won't stop the payments to so called martyrs families,
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Speaker 2: that's the families of terrorists who kill innocent Israelis. Well,
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Speaker 2: wouldn't Pennywong think this was the greatest obstacle to peace
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Speaker 2: funding terrorism and it's this that requires sanctions or apparently not.
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Speaker 2: In fact, the Palestinian president even made a phone call
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Speaker 2: congratulating a terrorist who murdered an Israeli baby. Have a listen.
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Speaker 2: That is Raeli baby Avia Malka was just nine months old.
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Speaker 2: And here's another example. The Palestinian Adviser on Religious Affairs
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Speaker 2: and Islamic Relations, Mahmud al Habash said that Hermasa's massacre
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Speaker 2: of October seven was legitimate resistance.
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Speaker 1: Malama October, no.
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Speaker 2: No, no.
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Speaker 1: October.
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Speaker 2: Now there are so many examples, like, there's too many
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Speaker 2: for me to go through now, Yet Wang and Alberizi
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Speaker 2: have chosen to sanction two controversial Israeli ministers who've committed
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Speaker 2: no crime and who are regularly criticized in Israel's free press.
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Speaker 2: They're criticized for comments calling on Israel to take back
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Speaker 2: control of Gaza. They say the Palestinians should move out,
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Speaker 2: and they encourage Israeli settlements in Palestinian areas. Now, clearly
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Speaker 2: these are not comments I agree with, you know, because
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Speaker 2: you know my views. I express them here every night.
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Speaker 2: I don't agree with them, but it's hardly comparable to
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Speaker 2: literally paying for terrorism or congratulating the murderer of an
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Speaker 2: innocent nine month old baby, And it's certainly not comparable
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Speaker 2: to actual crimes committed by any number of politicians around
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Speaker 2: the world. Ben Gevera and Smartridge also face elections and
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Speaker 2: judicial oversight. The Israeli democracy is famously fierce and the
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Speaker 2: law is upheld, but no such accountability exists in the
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Speaker 2: Palestinian authority, which has not held elections in over a deca.
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Speaker 2: If this were about principles not politics, where are the
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Speaker 2: sanctions on Palestinian authority ministers? And where are the sanctions
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Speaker 2: outside of the Middle East on officials from Mayamma, China
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Speaker 2: or Iran, or for that matter, on politicians who have
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Speaker 2: said equally controversial comments in America, Canada, France, Germany or
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Speaker 2: any country around the world. By this standard, Albanezi and
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Speaker 2: Wang would almost certainly be issuing sanctions against the United
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Speaker 2: States President. I mean, this is utterly absurd, and it
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Speaker 2: brings me to my next point. This very move abuses
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Speaker 2: the purpose of the sanctions regime. The Magnitsky legislation under
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Speaker 2: which these sanctions are issued was designed to target authoritarian
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Speaker 2: regimes places where there's no rule of law, justice system,
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Speaker 2: or even elections. This sanction regime was the impetus of
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Speaker 2: the late Senator Kimberly Kitching it was a mechanism to
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Speaker 2: hold dictators and corrupt autocrats accountable. Now, as I first
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Speaker 2: reported in the Australian newspaper, Kimberly Kitching fought for this
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Speaker 2: despite opposition from Penny Wong, who refused to let her
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Speaker 2: table a private members bill on the Magnitsky laws. Now,
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Speaker 2: Kimberly's close friend, former Labor MP Michael Downby, he's going
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Speaker 2: to be on the show tonight. I spoke to him
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Speaker 2: today and he says the Kimberly Kitching would be turning
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Speaker 2: in her grave right now to see these sanctions abused
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Speaker 2: in this way to be used on our ally Israel.
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Speaker 2: Michael Downby says, Kimberly envisaged this legislation being used against
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Speaker 2: authoritarian states and she'd be upset that it was being
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Speaker 2: misused against democratic states like Israel, where the rule of
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Speaker 2: law and elections deal with any possible violations by local politicians.
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Speaker 2: He says, what's next if we don't like the politicians
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Speaker 2: in other democratic states like Canada, France or the United States,
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Speaker 2: are we going to put magnisky bands on them too?
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Speaker 2: And as I said, Michael Danby is coming up on
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Speaker 2: the show a bit later. But Shadow Foreign Affairs Minister
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Speaker 2: Michaelia Cash also said today that this sanctions regime is
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Speaker 2: meant to respond to human rights abuses and terrorists acts.
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Speaker 2: She says the government's explanatory materials make clear that Minister
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Speaker 2: Wong exercised a discretionary power to impose the sanctions because
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Speaker 2: of public comments made by the two Israeli ministers. This
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Speaker 2: appears to be a new development in our foreign policy. Yes,
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Speaker 2: public comments, not crimes, not actions, but comments. These are
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Speaker 2: sanctions for speech. It's bewildering and Mikayla Cash will be
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Speaker 2: on the program tomorrow night. Now, this isn't about justice,
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Speaker 2: its political punishment against freely elected ministers in a functioning
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Speaker 2: democracy with an independent Supreme Court. Now, lastly, as we
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Speaker 2: all know, this isn't an isolated incident. It's part of
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Speaker 2: an established pattern under the Albanzi government of adopting a
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Speaker 2: hostile anti Israel foreign policy platform. Before Albinizi, Israel was
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Speaker 2: one of Australia's closest allies. This government is treating Israel
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Speaker 2: as a rogue enemy state. AJAK executive director Colin Rubinstein
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Speaker 2: said it very well today in a statement when he
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Speaker 2: said the government appears to be acting at the behest
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Speaker 2: of the obsessive anti Israel activists who constantly scream for
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Speaker 2: ever more punitive actions against Israel and largely do not
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Speaker 2: seek the two state solution our government says it supports,
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Speaker 2: but instead desire Israel's ultimate destruction. And that's right, that's
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Speaker 2: the crowd they're pandering to. Now, Pennywog stood up today
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Speaker 2: and she claimed that she could separate her foreign policy
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Speaker 2: position on Israel from Jewish Australians. She said the two
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Speaker 2: were unrelated. Now, this is a farcical, naive and simply
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Speaker 2: wrong claim that indicates she knows nothing of the racism
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Speaker 2: we're facing and the reasons behind it. What Penniwang must
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Speaker 2: surely know is that the Jewish community around the world
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Speaker 2: is intrinsically connected to the state of Israel. Zionism and
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Speaker 2: Judaism are intertwined. Israel is the only Jewish state in
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Speaker 2: the world. It's the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people
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Speaker 2: who've lived there for thousands of years, and even lived
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Speaker 2: there before Islam began. The Albanesi government's egregious and continued
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Speaker 2: campaign against Israel is a massive betrayal, and it's my view,
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Speaker 2: my very real fear that it only encourages the campaign
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Speaker 2: of hate towards Israel, towards Israelis, towards Zionists, and thus
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Speaker 2: towards Jews. It sends a signal that in their Australia,
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Speaker 2: vilifying Israel is not just tolerated, it's applauded. Now, this
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Speaker 2: entire move by Wang and Albanisi is divisive, counterproductive, and
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Speaker 2: deeply hypocritical, but it won't go unanswered. The Jewish community
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Speaker 2: and many Australians, including many of you watching now see
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Speaker 2: exactly what this is. A political stunt wrapped in moral
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Speaker 2: posturing during real damage to the social fabric of our
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Speaker 2: great country. Well, let's turn to California now, which resembles
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Speaker 2: more of a war zone then the usual streets of
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Speaker 2: Los Angeles. The anti ice protests have spiraled in the
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Speaker 2: past twenty four hours, forcing Mayor Karen Bass to order
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Speaker 2: an emergency curfew for parts of the city, and just
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Speaker 2: yesterday she claimed the National Guard won't even need it. Well,
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Speaker 2: my Sky News colleague and host of First Edition, Pete Stefanovic,
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Speaker 2: was on the streets of Los Angeles after the curfew began,
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Speaker 2: and here's his report.
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Speaker 4: Shari I just want to tell you what's going on
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Speaker 4: right now. We are well past the time of the
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Speaker 4: curfew coming in, and just beyond me there was a
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Speaker 4: group of protesters who were defying police for some time
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Speaker 4: and I've got to say they had it coming. I've
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Speaker 4: got to say they had it coming because they were
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Speaker 4: they were blatantly ignoring the wishes of the mayor and
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Speaker 4: the curfew that was in place. And just in the
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Speaker 4: past few minutes while we've been standing here, the police
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Speaker 4: have had enough and it looks as though they've moved in.
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Speaker 4: So there were flash greenn that we used, there were
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Speaker 4: other such devices that we used to clear out these
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Speaker 4: remaining protesters, and it looks like for now that's worked.
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Speaker 4: It is a scene of action right now here. You've
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Speaker 4: got riders on horseback who are getting involved. You've got
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Speaker 4: huge members of the LAPD who are down here as well.
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Speaker 4: You've got choppers above you'd be able to hear those,
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Speaker 4: and you've got the bright lights. To some members of
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Speaker 4: the media, there's actually not that many protesters here left
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Speaker 4: and the police just moved out those who were remaining
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Speaker 4: and they've dealt with that. But look, we are almost
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Speaker 4: two hours into this curfew and people.
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Speaker 5: Were blatantly ignoring it.
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Speaker 4: I mean, you've got people who are still driving their
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Speaker 4: cars in other parts of downtown LA. You've got other
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Speaker 4: people who were just assembling and they were ignoring this curfew.
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Speaker 4: And those guys over there, those protesters anyway, just learn
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Speaker 4: what happens when you do that. So it's just an
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Speaker 4: example of what's going on this evening.
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Speaker 2: Us this and while let's bring in labor legend Graham
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Speaker 2: Richardson and Daily Telegraph journalist James Willis. Welcome to you, Braith,
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Speaker 2: Thank you, see you, rich O. This is now spreading
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Speaker 2: to other major cities in the United States, and it
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Speaker 2: looks like it could become just national chaos.
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Speaker 1: It does.
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Speaker 3: It's a very serious situation now and it seems to
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Speaker 3: need to be getting worse. And as it gets worse,
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Speaker 3: I don't think there's much being done. So I've got
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Speaker 3: to look at this and say that that Trump's got
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Speaker 3: a huge job to do that is just not being done.
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Speaker 2: I mean, James Trump is well within his rights. He
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Speaker 2: has a legitimate claim to deport immigrants. It's what he
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Speaker 2: said he was going to do. So, you know, it's
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Speaker 2: a bit rough that the Democratic leadership are blaming him
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Speaker 2: rather than the protesters.
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Speaker 6: Well, that's right, and this was his mandate and this
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Speaker 6: was his number one issue that I believe got him
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Speaker 6: elected Shari was the idea that America's borders were too soft,
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Speaker 6: particularly the Mexico border, but from other parts of the
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Speaker 6: world as well. The Democrats have been too soft on
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Speaker 6: that that was damaging the fabric of society. And so
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Speaker 6: in the early stages of his second term, he has
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Speaker 6: come in and decided to go straight into it, which
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Speaker 6: I think is a really refreshing, refreshing approach for the record,
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Speaker 6: that you can just start doing that from day one.
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Speaker 6: There is going to be blowback in parts of the
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Speaker 6: country and we as we know, America is a really interesting,
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Speaker 6: sweltering pot where there's a lot of different people doing
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Speaker 6: with different views, and la is one example of that.
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Speaker 6: But I think he's just going to go harder on
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Speaker 6: this and anyone that defies it will watch out because
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Speaker 6: they mean business. There's more marines, more National Guard being
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Speaker 6: brought in.
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Speaker 2: I worry it's going to turn into sort of similar
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Speaker 2: to the lawlessness of the Black Lives Matter movement when
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Speaker 2: its spread from city to city.
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Speaker 6: They're looting and booting on the.
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Speaker 2: Crime storefronts bashed in. I mean, I just get the center, Richo,
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Speaker 2: that people love a protest, and you know, these are
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Speaker 2: obviously despicable, but at least they're not protesting the Jews
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Speaker 2: for once, rich O for once.
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Speaker 3: But that having been said, this is pretty pretty sad
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Speaker 3: to see.
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Speaker 1: Really.
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Speaker 3: I mean, a great country like America, you shouldn't have
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Speaker 3: to cower in your home and be afraid to walk
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Speaker 3: out on the pavement. That's just not right.
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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Look, what's also become a big story
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Speaker 2: here in Australia that they have several journalists have been
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Speaker 2: caught in the crossfire. Nine's Lauren Tamasi, the ABC's North
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Speaker 2: America correspondent Lauren Day. Also another camera operator New York
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Speaker 2: Post cameraman was also hit by a pellet. James, what
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Speaker 2: do you think? I mean, clearly none of this was deliberate,
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Speaker 2: despite the Prime Minister trying to say it was. I mean,
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Speaker 2: if you attend to protest, this is a risk.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Firstly, I hope Lauren's doing okay and the other media
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Speaker 6: representatives that have been caught up in this. And when
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Speaker 6: you're working and you are reporting on something that you
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Speaker 6: should never ever be injured in the line of fire
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Speaker 6: or worse.
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Speaker 5: However, the point that I.
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Speaker 6: Would make that I don't think has been made enough
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Speaker 6: shar that the competitive industry of media has required reporters
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Speaker 6: to get the best shot of the day, on the
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Speaker 6: story of the day, and in this case, the story
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Speaker 6: of the day is standing as close as you can
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Speaker 6: to the line of fire of police that are telling
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Speaker 6: people to move on, that are you using rubber bullets,
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Speaker 6: using tear gas sometimes and so unfortunately, when something like
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Speaker 6: this happens, we can be.
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Speaker 1: Shocked by it.
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Speaker 6: But I think that's sort of where you draw the line,
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Speaker 6: and also understand that there is going to be a
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Speaker 6: necessary risk when you're in a riot, when you're in
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Speaker 6: a war zone, when you're in a time of conflict
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Speaker 6: or anything that there is inevitably a risk of something
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Speaker 6: going wrong. So that's certainly what we've seen. But any
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Speaker 6: claims that this was deliberate, or you know that there
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Speaker 6: should be sanctions, or you know, the Prime Minister getting involved,
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Speaker 6: I think is far too far.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Prime Minister has said that he's raised
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Speaker 2: this at official levels with the United States. Well, let's
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Speaker 2: turn to Gratethinberg. She landed in Paris after being deported
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Speaker 2: from Israel, and then she immediately gain claimed she'd been kidnapped.
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Speaker 7: We were, yeah, on international walters. We were illegally attacked
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Speaker 7: and kidnapped by Israel and the taken against our will
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Speaker 7: to Israel, where we were detained, and then some of
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Speaker 7: us deported.
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Speaker 2: Some are still there. I wasn't able to say goodbye.
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Speaker 1: Were you were you worried about the others that they
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Speaker 1: might be detained for any Nay?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very worried about them. Richro Come on, she
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Speaker 2: was given a sandwich, somewhater taken to safety. She needs
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Speaker 2: to sit down with some actual form of hostages who
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Speaker 2: were kidnapped, doesn't she.
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Speaker 3: I think she needs to sit down with a therapist.
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Speaker 3: I think that'd been a big shop for her. This
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Speaker 3: is a this is a troubled girl, in my view,
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Speaker 3: and she needs professional help, the kind that you and
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Speaker 3: I can't give.
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Speaker 2: No indeed, but you know the world seems to you know,
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Speaker 2: embolden her, encourage her. I mean, you know, we have
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Speaker 2: been talking about it all week, and I regret that
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Speaker 2: to a certain extent, but we're not the ones encouraging her.
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Speaker 2: It's international media, it's the human rights groups, it's the
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Speaker 2: activist that's right, and she plays a role for those people.
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Speaker 6: I do look, I feel very sorry for her because
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Speaker 6: I feel like she's missed a lot of her childhood
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Speaker 6: and a lot of growing up and a lot of
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Speaker 6: things that kids do, because she's got a lot of
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Speaker 6: a media attention and she's just gone with that. Shari,
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Speaker 6: I thought if I could just say, I thought you
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Speaker 6: articulated this issue so well off the top of the show,
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Speaker 6: and every little step that Australia makes as an umpire's
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Speaker 6: call in favor of what they say is the Palestinian
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Speaker 6: people is playing into the hands of Hamas. And I
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Speaker 6: do think it does have an impact on what we
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Speaker 6: see here socially, this anti Israel movement that's driven by
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Speaker 6: parts of the left wing media, but we have seen
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Speaker 6: day to day certainly when governments are making decisions, then
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Speaker 6: it does encourage that environment. So I think people are
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Speaker 6: starting to be deeply concerned by Penny Wong and Anthony Albanezi,
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Speaker 6: you know, making these odd decisions and favoring one side
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Speaker 6: of this war, in this case cuddling up to a
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Speaker 6: terrorist group.
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Speaker 2: Oh I know, it's pathetic, it really is. And I mean, Richard,
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Speaker 2: you say she probably needs to see a therapist. Well,
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump says she needs anger management training. Have a look.
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Speaker 8: Well, she's a strange person. She's a young, angry person.
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Speaker 8: I don't know if it's real anger. It's hard to believe, actually,
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Speaker 8: but I saw what happened. She's certainly different anger management.
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Speaker 8: I think she has to go to an anger management last.
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Speaker 8: That's my primary recommendation for her.
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Speaker 2: I'm probably a classroom really, because with all the schools
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Speaker 2: she missed, as James sach, who knows if she can
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Speaker 2: even read them write properly?
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Speaker 3: Richo, Well, I mean I could forgive her if she
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Speaker 3: couldn't read or right properly. She's been at to a
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Speaker 3: professional agitator all her life. Really, you know, it's out
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Speaker 3: of the cradle, it's over. She's got little experience of life,
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Speaker 3: and plenty experience of the kind of things that we
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Speaker 3: don't like in life.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, look before we go, James Willis in the Daily Telegraph,
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Speaker 2: you've been covering extensively this issue of the tobacco tax
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Speaker 2: and the impact that it is having on the black market,
23:21
Speaker 2: the illegal importation of cigarettes and the crime that goes
23:25
Speaker 2: with it. What have you been reporting in the past week.
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Speaker 6: Well, the main takeout, Charry, is that Mark Butler and
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Speaker 6: the Albanezi government have completely failed in this regard. And
23:36
Speaker 6: the data that's come out in the last few days
23:38
Speaker 6: indicates that the illicit market for cigarettes alone could be
23:41
Speaker 6: worth up to forty percent of the total market in play.
23:45
Speaker 6: Border Force is collecting and stopping, plus the ATO a
23:50
Speaker 6: fraction of how big this issue is. We've got a
23:52
Speaker 6: tobacconist opening up on every street corner, We've had fire bombings.
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Speaker 6: It is a direct link to criminal gangs. And we've
23:59
Speaker 6: got states that are relying on health officials to lead
24:02
Speaker 6: this problem. I mean New Zealand. I don't know if
24:05
Speaker 6: they're right or wrong, but New Zealand has regulated vapes
24:08
Speaker 6: and that means they can test them and they can
24:10
Speaker 6: get rid of the single use ones which are brightly
24:12
Speaker 6: colored for kids, and that has stopped a lot of
24:15
Speaker 6: people smoking and linking and switching to vaping. So there's
24:18
Speaker 6: something in there. But Mark Butler's approach to this has
24:20
Speaker 6: been terrible. We're missing six billion dollars a year in excise,
24:23
Speaker 6: but also we are not stopping enough people smoking and
24:26
Speaker 6: allowing criminal gangs to run the streets as a result.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the policy settings have certainly created this market, that's
24:33
Speaker 2: safe to say. Now it's difficult to know what to
24:35
Speaker 2: do with it. Rich O, what do you think do
24:37
Speaker 2: you think we should be Do you think the Treasure
24:41
Speaker 2: of Jim Chalmers should be lowering the tax to stop
24:44
Speaker 2: it going to the black market? Is that the solution here?
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean you can do that, but look, I'm
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Speaker 3: a fatalist here. I just don't believe you're going to
24:55
Speaker 3: fix it. I think the black market will beat you.
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Speaker 2: So it's done. Now, you'd give up, it almost is.
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Speaker 6: You'd give up when you've got twenty thousand tobacconists in
25:06
Speaker 6: New South Wales alone. Yeah, you're gonna have to put
25:08
Speaker 6: twenty thousand shut signs on. I mean, how could we
25:12
Speaker 6: have such a small ten percent or eight percent of
25:14
Speaker 6: people smoking and there's twenty thousand tobacconists in New South
25:18
Speaker 6: Wales alone, Like, either people are smoking five packs a
25:21
Speaker 6: day or there's something not right in that system. They're
25:24
Speaker 6: the only business making money at the market.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you said it's a failed experiment and you
25:28
Speaker 2: could take any product hike up the taxes on it
25:32
Speaker 2: and create a black market, and that's what's happened.
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Speaker 1: Totally, totally right.
25:35
Speaker 2: James willis great Richardson, thank you both so much. Now,
25:39
Speaker 2: if I were to ask you which country out of
25:42
Speaker 2: Russia or Ukraine is receiving more Australian funding, you'd of
25:46
Speaker 2: course guess Ukraine, but you'd be wrong. There's a new
25:50
Speaker 2: report by the Center for Research on Energy and Clean
25:52
Speaker 2: Air that's found that Australia has imported more than three
25:55
Speaker 2: point seven billion dollars worth of oil product derived from
26:00
Speaker 2: Russian crewed since twenty twenty three. And this is compared
26:03
Speaker 2: to committing one point five billion to help Ukraine. Johiny me.
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Speaker 2: Now is Malcolm Davis from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute.
26:10
Speaker 2: Good to see you again. Now, this report says that
26:15
Speaker 2: this would have handed the Russian government around one point
26:18
Speaker 2: eight five billion dollars in tax revenue. So that's around
26:22
Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty million dollars more than what Australia
26:25
Speaker 2: has committed to Ukraine. I mean, does this undermine our
26:29
Speaker 2: commitment to be supporting an ally here?
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Speaker 5: Look, the bottom line is we should not be giving
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Speaker 5: money a money to Russia a single cent of money
26:39
Speaker 5: to Russia. It's appalling that this is somehow allowed to
26:43
Speaker 5: happen in the sense that Russia gains funds from Australia
26:47
Speaker 5: which it then uses to essentially buy weapons and military
26:51
Speaker 5: technology to attack Ukraine. So at some point the government
26:55
Speaker 5: has to say this has to stop and clamp down
26:58
Speaker 5: and make sure that not a single goes to Russia.
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Speaker 2: I mean, in a sense, this is a loophole, one
27:05
Speaker 2: that the Albanesi government's conveniently overlooked, isn't it.
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Speaker 5: I think it is probably a loophole that they were
27:12
Speaker 5: completely oblivious to. But to be honest, that's no excuse.
27:16
Speaker 5: When you have a situation as dire as the situation
27:19
Speaker 5: in Ukraine, where Russia is making steady but slow advances,
27:23
Speaker 5: the last thing you want to be doing is for
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Speaker 5: a Western noble democracy, a key ally of the United States,
27:29
Speaker 5: to be seen to be riding any money to the
27:32
Speaker 5: aggress of Russia. So I think that yes, it may
27:34
Speaker 5: be a loophole, they may be able to make excuses,
27:37
Speaker 5: but the very first thing they should be doing is
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Speaker 5: shutting down this loophole as fast as possible.
27:43
Speaker 2: I mean, even putting Ukraine aside. Do you think it's
27:45
Speaker 2: concerning that we are so reliant on crude oil from
27:49
Speaker 2: a country like Russia that we can't truly trust or
27:52
Speaker 2: rely on.
27:53
Speaker 5: Why are we buying crude oil from Russia? I don't
27:56
Speaker 5: understand that when we have massive energy reserves here in
27:59
Speaker 5: Australia that should be exploited for the needs of Australia.
28:03
Speaker 5: It is absolutely crazy that we rely on overseas energy reserves,
28:09
Speaker 5: be it oil or natural gas or what have you,
28:11
Speaker 5: when we are sort of rich in resources in this country.
28:16
Speaker 5: I think it is absolutely ridiculous that we are not
28:18
Speaker 5: developing our own sovereign resources more deeply so that we
28:22
Speaker 5: are self reliant in energy.
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Speaker 2: And this comes back, of course to the issue with
28:27
Speaker 2: one of the also most dislike ministers in the Albanezy government,
28:30
Speaker 2: Chris Bowne. Of course, but this conversation to continue another day.
28:34
Speaker 2: Really appreciate your time, Malcolm Davis. Now still to come.
28:38
Speaker 2: The unintended consequences of a zempic On personality. A leading
28:42
Speaker 2: psychiatrist would join me on the show later. Plus one
28:46
Speaker 2: of Kimberly Kitchen's close friends says she'd be turning in
28:49
Speaker 2: her grave to see the Magnitsky sanctions used by Penny
28:52
Speaker 2: Wog in this way against an ally. Michael Dowanby would
28:56
Speaker 2: join me after this quick break, welcome back. Well, let's
29:02
Speaker 2: return to Pennyong's reprehensible decision to sanction two Israeli ministers today.
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Speaker 2: Israel's ambassador to Australia, Emir Maimond, is justifiably outraged by
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Speaker 2: the move, writing on social media that is deeply concerning
29:16
Speaker 2: and entirely unacceptable. And now to discuss I'm joined by
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Speaker 2: a human rights lawyer and CEO of the International Legal Forum,
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Speaker 2: Arsen Ostrowski. He's Israel, Israeli Australian and also former Foreign
29:29
Speaker 2: Affairs and Defense Committee Chair Michael Danby. Welcome to you
29:33
Speaker 2: both now, Ar senor in thank you Israel. At the
29:36
Speaker 2: moment now, most Israelis wouldn't agree with these controversial politicians.
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Speaker 2: But sanctions against a democratic state are surely excessive and unreasonable,
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Speaker 2: as I've spoken about it at length earlier tonight.
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Speaker 9: Look, you're right, I mean I think the section is
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Speaker 9: deeply regrettable and I would say ultimately also will be counterproductive. Australia,
30:00
Speaker 9: of course, is entitled turn Act sanctions. The kind of
30:04
Speaker 9: sanctions but the kind of sanctions that we saw he
30:06
Speaker 9: under the Mcgnitsky Act were intended for individuals from countries
30:10
Speaker 9: engaging in human rights abuses and terrorist acts without a
30:14
Speaker 9: proper functioning judicial system. That is not the case here
30:17
Speaker 9: in Israel.
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Speaker 8: Now.
30:19
Speaker 9: Banvir and motch are indeed two very polarizing figures with
30:23
Speaker 9: the history of provocation, but they are two elected members
30:29
Speaker 9: of a democratic ally and of the State of Israel.
30:32
Speaker 9: And friend of Australia now condemned the two individuals myself
30:37
Speaker 9: at the same time. However, it is inexplicable that Australia
30:42
Speaker 9: would sanction these two. However, continue to turn a blind
30:45
Speaker 9: dio give a free pass to the Palistine authority, which
30:48
Speaker 9: continues to engage in institutional anti Semitism, Holocaust distortion in
30:53
Speaker 9: some terr and of course paying salaries of terrorists. Ultimately,
30:57
Speaker 9: these sanctions will probably only inflame intentions. They will harden
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Speaker 9: the position of the Palestinian authority and strain the already
31:06
Speaker 9: difficult relationship between Australia and Israel. So I think what
31:11
Speaker 9: is needed here are less performative actions and more principal diplomacy.
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Speaker 2: Michael, as I mentioned before, your good friend, the late
31:19
Speaker 2: Kimberly Kitching led the way. She really campaigned for Australia
31:23
Speaker 2: to embrace the use of sanctions under the Magnetski legislation.
31:27
Speaker 2: How did she intend for them to be used and
31:29
Speaker 2: how do you think she'd feel if she were alive
31:32
Speaker 2: to see Penny Wong using them against Israel.
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Speaker 10: Well, first of all, let's go to the core of
31:38
Speaker 10: this mean girl. Penny Wong made some comments about Kimberly's childlessness,
31:47
Speaker 10: which in other circumstances would have seen her driven from
31:52
Speaker 10: Australian public life. So she doesn't come to this with
31:55
Speaker 10: clean hands. Kimberly saw the difference between well authoritarian states
32:02
Speaker 10: and democratic states and wanted to give some leverage to
32:05
Speaker 10: poor people in China, Run and Russia who have no
32:08
Speaker 10: democratic system or the rule of law. If you were
32:11
Speaker 10: a big girl, Penny, not just a mean girl, you'd
32:15
Speaker 10: be going after the cruel communist commissars in Shinjung and Tibet.
32:20
Speaker 10: But of course you're a pussy cat with them, and
32:23
Speaker 10: you just want to beat up on the smallest democracy.
32:25
Speaker 1: In the Middle East, surrounded by three hundred million people
32:29
Speaker 1: in the various Muslim states.
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Speaker 2: Now I first reported and broke that story that Kimberly
32:34
Speaker 2: had called them mean girls, and when I reported it
32:38
Speaker 2: at the time, I went to the three women for comment.
32:40
Speaker 2: They denied that they were mean girls. Of course, denied
32:42
Speaker 2: they'd engaged in any bullying. Although on that story you
32:45
Speaker 2: just told Michael, Pennywong did at the time apologize to
32:49
Speaker 2: Kimberly Kitching for that comment.
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Speaker 10: But only only Shari after it was publicly known. Yes,
32:56
Speaker 10: motivation for showing that she was sorry, But she didn't
32:59
Speaker 10: say sorry.
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Speaker 1: About calling someone childless when it wasn't known.
33:06
Speaker 10: And that's one of the many insults and things about
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Speaker 10: Kimberly that Penny Wong should never be forgiven for.
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Speaker 1: And I will never forgive her.
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Speaker 10: I'm going to hunt it down on these claims until
33:18
Speaker 10: she faces up to them.
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Speaker 2: I should say, she claimed she'd apologize, but there was
33:24
Speaker 2: never any proof that she actually had to apologized. But Mike,
33:26
Speaker 2: I just want to go to that question how that
33:29
Speaker 2: we spoke about earlier today that I quoted you in
33:31
Speaker 2: my editorial. How do you think Kimberly Kitchen would feel
33:34
Speaker 2: to see Petty Wog misusing the Magninski legislation in this
33:39
Speaker 2: way against an ally?
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Speaker 10: Well, I was recently with Kimber's mother and brother up
33:43
Speaker 10: in Brisbane. It's very sad. She'd be mortified that these
33:48
Speaker 10: people are misusing this legislation, which, interestingly enough, Wong and
33:54
Speaker 10: Defat opposed until Amar Clooney gave them all the woke
33:59
Speaker 10: signals that a public hearing that led one to cave
34:06
Speaker 10: in and support the Magnetski legislation. Kimberly would be mortified
34:10
Speaker 10: about this is it was designed to help people who
34:14
Speaker 10: were persecuted or who are victims of corruption in Iran,
34:18
Speaker 10: Russia and China, not a state whereas Arson explained, you
34:23
Speaker 10: know they're publicly criticized every day, Ben Gaver and Smotrich.
34:28
Speaker 10: The rule of law applies to them. I think they've
34:31
Speaker 10: both been criticized by the Knesset and by the courts,
34:34
Speaker 10: and I expect the election system to lead to the
34:37
Speaker 10: both of them, you know, losing a great deal of
34:40
Speaker 10: power at the next elections when that comes next year.
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Speaker 2: Asen, let's bring you back here now. Penny One claimed
34:46
Speaker 2: today that it's these two Israeli ministers who are the
34:48
Speaker 2: obstacle to peace and a two state solution. But Arson,
34:52
Speaker 2: that's nonsense, isn't it. Israel Lefgarza handed it to the
34:55
Speaker 2: Palestinian authority in two thousand and five. It's not Israel
34:59
Speaker 2: that's been the obstacle to peace here, is it.
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Speaker 9: No, Look, it's the fifty five hostages that are still
35:06
Speaker 9: being held captive in Gaza in the most terrific and
35:08
Speaker 9: brutal of conditions that are an obstacle to a two
35:11
Speaker 9: state solution. It is the Hamas terror group that is
35:14
Speaker 9: an obstacle and genericiital organizations one to Israel's instruction that
35:17
Speaker 9: has said that they would repeat October seven again and
35:21
Speaker 9: again I quote until Israel is annihilated. They are an obstacle.
35:25
Speaker 9: The Palastin Authority, where President Mahmuda bus is in the
35:28
Speaker 9: twenty first year of his four year term, which continues
35:32
Speaker 9: to reward terrorists and murderers with salaries, and has institutionalized
35:37
Speaker 9: the insimon anti Semitism, Jew hatred in their school books,
35:40
Speaker 9: in the curriculm, in their media. They are an obstacle
35:43
Speaker 9: for peace. Israel has shown time and time again that
35:46
Speaker 9: it is willing to make the most painful compromises for peace.
35:50
Speaker 9: We have shined that with multiple Peace Officer of the PA,
35:52
Speaker 9: which the Bus himself has rejected, and we have shown
35:55
Speaker 9: so in the last year and a half and so
35:58
Speaker 9: of the war where Israel has made the most incomprehensibly difficult,
36:02
Speaker 9: painful concessions in order to rescue the hostages, to have
36:06
Speaker 9: a ceasefire, but which Hamas has repeatedly rejected. The one constant, however,
36:10
Speaker 9: your respective of which Israeli ministers in power has said,
36:13
Speaker 9: what is ultimately Palestinian terrorism in transigence and rejectionism, which
36:19
Speaker 9: is only emboldened and empowered by these kinds of actions
36:22
Speaker 9: and sanctions that we've seen in the last two days.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, just picking up on that theme of a cease fire,
36:30
Speaker 2: I mean, these sanctions don't help achieve peace or a
36:33
Speaker 2: ceasefire one that the United States is trying to broker
36:36
Speaker 2: at all, or to bring the hostages home, do they.
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Speaker 10: Michael, if we were to leave virtue signaling in student
36:42
Speaker 10: politics behind us, Penny Wong and Elbow, you'd be asking
36:47
Speaker 10: why even the weak US negotiated whit Cough has denounced
36:52
Speaker 10: Hamas for refusing the latest American ceasefires, which has us
37:00
Speaker 10: and explained is a very generous letting out thousands of
37:05
Speaker 10: Palestinian convicted prisoners to get ten.
37:09
Speaker 1: Hostages back and a lot of dead bodies.
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Speaker 10: If we weren't playing student politics, Penny one, why haven't
37:15
Speaker 10: you said anything about the fact that there's a second
37:18
Speaker 10: Chinese carrier that's broken out into the Pacific. This is
37:22
Speaker 10: what adults would be talking about, not this student politics
37:25
Speaker 10: slapping down two unpopular Israeli ministers.
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Speaker 1: It's childish, it's infantile.
37:31
Speaker 10: And I hope Rubio and Trump give you a big
37:34
Speaker 10: slap down when elbow gets over there.
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Speaker 2: I just want to point out two things. One is
37:39
Speaker 2: that Michael Danby, you're a labor figure for life. You
37:43
Speaker 2: know this is a labor figure who's so angry about this.
37:47
Speaker 2: You were part of the labor team that is now
37:49
Speaker 2: in government. I also want to point out, Michael, that
37:52
Speaker 2: you did use a bit of strong language there when
37:54
Speaker 2: you say, you know, slap them down, and when you
37:57
Speaker 2: say hunt them down, that's of course metaphorically speaking, as
38:00
Speaker 2: I know you mean it metaphorically speaks.
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Speaker 8: It is.
38:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, our sent Michael Danby, thank you both
38:05
Speaker 2: very much for your time. Now still to come as zimpig,
38:09
Speaker 2: is it really what the doctor ordered? I'll speak to
38:11
Speaker 2: a medical professional who's concerned it's turning users into personality zombies.
38:16
Speaker 2: And we turn to Hollywood, where all the best dramas
38:19
Speaker 2: are made, just not always on purpose. The fallout from
38:23
Speaker 2: the Blake Lively legal stash with Liz Burk next Welcome back. Well,
38:31
Speaker 2: because the news has been so depressing, I wanted to
38:33
Speaker 2: turn to something a little bit lighter. The legal battle
38:37
Speaker 2: between Hollywood actors Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively, and this
38:41
Speaker 2: all stems from the movie It ends with us now.
38:44
Speaker 2: Blake Lively sue Justin Baldoni and his production company in December,
38:48
Speaker 2: accusing him or them of sexual harassment and intimidation. Baldoni
38:52
Speaker 2: then countersuit Lively and her husband Ryan Reynolds for over
38:57
Speaker 2: six hundred million Australian dollars, claiming that the couple had
39:01
Speaker 2: engaged in a smear campaign against him. Or to discuss
39:05
Speaker 2: Let's bringing now the deputy editor of News dot com
39:07
Speaker 2: dot Au, Liz Burke, Liz, so great to see you.
39:11
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. One of the things that really
39:13
Speaker 2: struck me about this case, and I was completely outraged
39:17
Speaker 2: by it, was when The New York Times published the
39:20
Speaker 2: story showing that Baldoni had hired publicists to deliberately smear
39:26
Speaker 2: Blake Lively, including on social media.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's a really there's so much to this story,
39:32
Speaker 11: there's so many angles, there's lawsuits flying all over the place.
39:35
Speaker 11: But I think that is the real crux of it,
39:37
Speaker 11: that's the real outrage. So it kind of all started
39:41
Speaker 11: the movie that the pair start in Blake Lively and
39:45
Speaker 11: Justin Baldoni. It came out in August last year, big movie,
39:49
Speaker 11: big adaptation of a big book, big budget. But it
39:52
Speaker 11: all kind of started to go awry during the press
39:55
Speaker 11: tour when it was noticed that the two stars weren't
39:58
Speaker 11: speaking to each other, or they weren't side by side
40:00
Speaker 11: on the red carpet, they weren't doing interviews together. The
40:04
Speaker 11: tone had very much changed around, you know, around the
40:07
Speaker 11: press of the movie, and Blake Lively was being absolutely
40:11
Speaker 11: slammed in you know, im press articles in social media,
40:15
Speaker 11: and she was criticized for her you know, approach to
40:20
Speaker 11: some of those interviews. This movie deals with some pretty
40:22
Speaker 11: heavy subject matter. It's about an abusive relationship, domestic violence exactly,
40:28
Speaker 11: and she was criticized for you know, answering some of
40:31
Speaker 11: questions about that issue in her interview, saying that. You know,
40:34
Speaker 11: people were saying that she was flippant about it, even callous,
40:37
Speaker 11: you know, avoiding the topic or even making light of
40:39
Speaker 11: the topic of you know, intimate partner violence.
40:43
Speaker 2: But I think just the.
40:44
Speaker 11: Strength of the criticism on social media of her it
40:48
Speaker 11: went beyond that issue. It was about her appearance, it
40:51
Speaker 11: was about her relationship.
40:53
Speaker 2: And yeah, when she old interviews were dredged up where
40:57
Speaker 2: she said inappropriate comments that no one yeah, able to find.
41:00
Speaker 11: There was a reporter that came out that just said,
41:02
Speaker 11: I want to share the interview that with Blake Lively
41:05
Speaker 11: that made me what, I quit my job that was
41:06
Speaker 11: years old or something like that. But yeah, and then
41:10
Speaker 11: she eventually, you know, dropped this bomb, filed this lawsuit
41:14
Speaker 11: alleging that Justin Baldoni had sexually harassed her, created a
41:19
Speaker 11: toxic environment on the set. And also in that was
41:23
Speaker 11: claims that he had hired a public relations firm to
41:28
Speaker 11: orchestrate this campaign against her in anticipation of those claims
41:33
Speaker 11: coming out.
41:33
Speaker 2: It's scary how well it worked. And then the news
41:35
Speaker 2: while we're talking about it now, is this week in
41:38
Speaker 2: the United States, a district court judge dismissed Baldoni's lawsuit
41:41
Speaker 2: his countersuit, the judge said, because allegations made in a
41:46
Speaker 2: lawsuit can't be libeless. Now, I want to turn or
41:49
Speaker 2: show you some other footage that I just couldn't stop watching.
41:54
Speaker 2: It's a video of Megan Markle and Harry dancing while
41:58
Speaker 2: trying to induce labor in but all have a look.
42:02
Speaker 12: And down capt jacket Dan Dawn jacket, Dam Dawn Up
42:07
Speaker 12: chap baby, Mamma went up, sit down the pack trying
42:10
Speaker 12: to make the money back some hoggies from thesell f
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Speaker 12: to defeat.
42:13
Speaker 2: It goes on for match long. To look it up,
42:16
Speaker 2: watch all of it now. Bizarrely, this wasn't some secret
42:19
Speaker 2: camera that captured it. They shared this themselves, despite the
42:23
Speaker 2: fact they constantly claimed that they want privacy list. They've
42:28
Speaker 2: shared this most intimate videos, which is kind of embarrassing.
42:31
Speaker 2: Why would they want that out there?
42:32
Speaker 11: Okay, and why would you make me watch that again?
42:35
Speaker 11: I remember waking up to this the other morning when
42:38
Speaker 11: I opened when I looked at my phone, when I
42:40
Speaker 11: opened Instagram, it was the first thing on my feed,
42:42
Speaker 11: and I just.
42:43
Speaker 2: I cringed so hard. And that was even when I
42:46
Speaker 2: thought it was fake.
42:47
Speaker 11: It's just such a bizarre thing to share that I
42:50
Speaker 11: was thinking, is this AI, Is this some kind of
42:53
Speaker 11: old footage where I don't know, it was just so so.
42:56
Speaker 2: So it was just so strengthing their daughter's fourth birthday,
43:00
Speaker 2: that's right.
43:01
Speaker 11: Yeah, so they did what would be going No, I know,
43:03
Speaker 11: imagine in you know, four years time and fourteen years time,
43:07
Speaker 11: she's going to.
43:07
Speaker 2: Be so embarrassed.
43:09
Speaker 11: But yeah, it's just it really doesn't gel with this
43:12
Speaker 11: message that they put out there that they want privacy,
43:14
Speaker 11: that they don't want to be part of the royal family.
43:16
Speaker 11: Then they go on this Instagram blitz sharing all they
43:19
Speaker 11: say that they don't they want to protect their children,
43:21
Speaker 11: and then they you know, share family photos of their
43:23
Speaker 11: children going to Disneyland. I think these are just some
43:25
Speaker 11: very very confused people who they say they don't want
43:29
Speaker 11: to be famous, but they don't really seem to know
43:32
Speaker 11: what else to do other than to put themselves out
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Speaker 11: there and be famous people.
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Speaker 2: Anyway, a lot of good fighter for news dot com
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Speaker 2: dead Au. It's good fun. Thanks so much, Liz, appreciate
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Speaker 2: thanks Ry. Now coming up next, what do doctors really
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Speaker 2: think about the concerns surrounding a zampic? Can it really
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Speaker 2: turn users into personality zombies. We'll discuss that next Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: As you know, a zampik is the latest wonder drug.
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Speaker 2: Originally designed to treat diabetes, it's fast become the most
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Speaker 2: popular way to lose weight. As I discussed with author
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Speaker 2: and journalist Roz Thomas last week, weight isn't the only
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Speaker 2: thing some users are losing.
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Speaker 13: What we've discovered is that these samaglatide is now able
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Speaker 13: to turn off desires for all kinds of things. And
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Speaker 13: what you get then is that we are the product
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Speaker 13: of our desires. So you take away your love of baking, cooking, exercising,
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Speaker 13: and you do change your personality. And so what we're
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Speaker 13: finding is that we're having a lot of people who
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Speaker 13: are losing weight very very quickly, but they're losing a
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Speaker 13: lot of the enjoyment in life because they're suffering from
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Speaker 13: what psychiatrists called anhedonia, which is a loss of pleasure.
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Speaker 2: Now, one of the health professionals Roz spoke to when
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Speaker 2: she wrote her cover story for the Weekend Australian magazine
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Speaker 2: was psychiatrist doctor Sally Kelderman, who joins me now, thank
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Speaker 2: you for your time. Welcome to the show. So can
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Speaker 2: you explain to us what drugs like as zampig due
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Speaker 2: to the brain. That would mean that someone can change personality.
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Speaker 14: We have, well, the current state of scientific thinking is
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Speaker 14: that we have glucagon like peptide receptors in our brains
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Speaker 14: naturally occurring. A zenpic works to enhance the effect of
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Speaker 14: naturally occurring glucagon like peptide and that is intricately involved
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Speaker 14: in the experience of desire.
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Speaker 1: And reward.
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Speaker 14: In such a way that it dampens our desire or
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Speaker 14: craving and dampens our sense of rewards. So a young
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Speaker 14: a person who is using a zenpick may experience a
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Speaker 14: loss of a loss of the desire to do the
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Speaker 14: things that they would normally enjoy and then just food,
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Speaker 14: But it could be for the pleasure in their life.
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Speaker 2: Other pleasure in their life, whether it's exercise or hobbies.
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Speaker 2: Drinking is one of the things that a lot of
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Speaker 2: people report that they lose their addiction to alcohol or cigarettes.
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Speaker 2: Is that for the same reason, Yes, And.
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Speaker 14: That's one of the fantastic unexpected effects of a zenpic
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Speaker 14: For people who are struggling with substance abuse, that could
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Speaker 14: be really, really helpful.
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Speaker 2: So I mean, do you see people that you treat
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Speaker 2: that their personalities are changing, or it's just that their
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Speaker 2: lifestyle is changing because they don't enjoy things as much
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Speaker 2: as they once did.
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Speaker 14: I think it's clear from what people are describing that
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Speaker 14: they're actually experienced. For some people are experiencing less pleasure.
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Speaker 14: I'm sure you saw the story of Missus Silbert in
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Speaker 14: Ross's article where she'd lost her experience of joy in
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Speaker 14: fine dining and find wine, which was a major pleasure
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Speaker 14: in her relationship.
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Speaker 2: Are there any other consequences that people need to consider
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Speaker 2: if they are considering some of these weight loss drugs.
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Speaker 2: I mean, there are all the craze at the moment,
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Speaker 2: people see celebrities and just people they know in normal
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Speaker 2: life are suddenly becoming very thin. You know, it seems
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Speaker 2: like an easy solution, a quick fix. Weight loss is
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Speaker 2: so difficult. So are there any other side effects that
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Speaker 2: you think people need to be aware of?
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Speaker 14: My perspective is very psychiatric, So a lot of people
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Speaker 14: who struggle with their weight or substance abuse are sad
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Speaker 14: and unmotivated for many complex reasons. And if we're going
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Speaker 14: to find people losing their sense of pleasure, we do
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Speaker 14: need to watch out to see whether they're losing their
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Speaker 14: desire to live. And so I'm expectors expecting doctors will
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Speaker 14: be asking people in the EZEMPIC receiving population whether they
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Speaker 14: have any pre existing depression or thought of self harm
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Speaker 14: in any way. That's kind of I think the main
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Speaker 14: potential downside.
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Speaker 2: All right, doctor Keldman, appreciate your time tonight. Thank you
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Speaker 2: so much, and of course, if you have any questions
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Speaker 2: about taking these weight loss drugs, speak to a GP
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Speaker 2: and a medical professional.
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Speaker 8: Right.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your company today. I'll see
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Speaker 2: you tomorrow at eight o'clock. And right now, here's Paul
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Speaker 2: Murray