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HAYDEN PANETTIERE: FEDS SWARM HOME · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Bonchelle tonight and the death of TV and movie star
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  Speaker 1: Hayden Panettiere. We learned tonight feds swarm the Hollywood home.
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  Speaker 1: This as we also learned Hayden Panettiere plied with whippets
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  Speaker 1: and booze before her death and that she tells security,
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  Speaker 1: keep my boyfriend away.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. TV and movie star Hayden Panettiere's death.
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  Speaker 3: Because there's a lot of stuff in there and a
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  Speaker 3: lot of it doesn't add up. Initially, we were told
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  Speaker 3: that she was found in a chair. Now we're being
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  Speaker 3: told that she was in the bed.
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  Speaker 4: And now what we know about her death is, well,
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  Speaker 4: there's been obviously.
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  Speaker 5: An apparent overdose.
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  Speaker 6: The first scene that I'm directing Hayden in, we are
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  Speaker 6: in the middle of a camera rehearsal and I'm at
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  Speaker 6: the monitor and Hayden's about 15 feet away on set.
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  Speaker 6: And I feel Brian hovering over my shoulder. And he
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  Speaker 6: leans in and he says to me, you let me
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  Speaker 6: know what you need her to do. I can get
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  Speaker 6: her to do anything. And my immediate reaction to.
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  Speaker 7: That was, what the * * * *? But what
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  Speaker 7: I said was, all right, because what else do you
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  Speaker 7: say when you're in the middle of rehearsal and somebody
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  Speaker 7: you didn't hire says that to you? In fact, it
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  Speaker 7: was a direct attempt to control and it was presented
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  Speaker 7: like this bizarre power flex. We could all see it
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  Speaker 7: and we all wanted to help.
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  Speaker 1: That is Director Griff first on Instagram referring to Hayden
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  Speaker 1: Panettiere's then-boyfriend leaning over his shoulder, stating, Just tell me
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  Speaker 1: I can get her to do anything. Correct me if
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  Speaker 1: I am wrong, Dave Mack, Crime Stories investigative reporter, but
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  Speaker 1: was he on the scene when Hayden Panettiere is found dead?
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  Speaker 8: Yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 9: He was right there. He was staying with her. They
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  Speaker 9: actually traveled together and were in Greenville, South Carolina at
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  Speaker 9: that Airbnb together when she passed.
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  Speaker 1: Dave Mack, while I've got you, the feds swarming the
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  Speaker 1: Hollywood home of Hayden Panettiere.
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  Speaker 2: What happened?
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  Speaker 9: Apparently, more than six feds showed up at her West
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  Speaker 9: Hollywood building. And according to an eyewitness resident that they
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  Speaker 9: had search warrants and were entering that facility, her home.
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  Speaker 9: And the resident said that they were swarming all over
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  Speaker 9: at least six agents counted by this resident. So it
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  Speaker 9: was a fairly large show of force.
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  Speaker 1: Straight out to veteran defense attorney specializing in drugs and
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  Speaker 1: violent felony defense, Renee Rockwell out of the Atlanta jurisdiction,
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  Speaker 1: never a lack of business there. This is significant that
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  Speaker 1: the feds, specifically the DEA, have been brought in on
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  Speaker 1: the investigation into Hayden Panettiere's death.
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  Speaker 10: What does that mean, Nancy? It means nothing. The DEA
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  Speaker 10: equals the federal government.
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  Speaker 11: The federal government means resources, time, and it is not good.
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  Speaker 11: You remember when you were a prosecutor, Nancy, you go
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  Speaker 11: to court in state court, there's 80 people in the courtroom.
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  Speaker 11: You go to federal court, you're the only case. What
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  Speaker 11: does that tell you? Time is on their side, and
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  Speaker 11: they're going to spend it on a case like this.
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  Speaker 1: Let me refine my question to Renee Rockwell. One of
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  Speaker 1: your main expertise is drug cases of all natures.
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  Speaker 2: It could be a doper on the street. It could
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  Speaker 2: be a drug Lord.
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  Speaker 1: How often in your cases does the DEA swarm the home?
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  Speaker 10: Not often, Nancy.
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  Speaker 11: And let me tell you something. It is not good news.
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  Speaker 11: These are the big boys and they're playing for keeps.
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  Speaker 1: But back to my question, my original question, Why would
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  Speaker 1: the DEA get involved in what seems to be, what
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  Speaker 1: is said to be, an OD?
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  Speaker 2: The feds don't care about an OD. They don't care
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  Speaker 2: if you're a movie star or a TV star. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: they care. They don't care. So why are they in it?
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  Speaker 11: Nancy, the reason they care is if somebody else supplied
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  Speaker 11: the drugs to her, even if it was a recreational,
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  Speaker 11: even if she consented to it, even if it's something
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  Speaker 11: they all decided and planned together, if someone else facilitated
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  Speaker 11: her possession of these drugs, even if they are legal
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  Speaker 11: drugs like whippets that might have been used in an
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  Speaker 11: illegal fashion, it's illegal.
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  Speaker 10: It's a felony.
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  Speaker 2: I don't give a flying fig about a whippet. Whippet.
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  Speaker 10: You can die from a whippet.
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  Speaker 2: You don't OD on whippets typically. I mean, you know
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  Speaker 2: what a whippet is, right?
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  Speaker 10: Explain.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 11: Nitrous oxide, Nancy. And first-time users can overdose. Their life
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  Speaker 11: can stop because of use of a whippet.
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  Speaker 2: Renee.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: First-time users. Is there any suggestion? to Eileen Reslin joining us,
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  Speaker 1: senior showbiz investigative exclusive reporter for Daily Mail, that Hayden
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  Speaker 1: Panettiere and the boyfriend, either one of them, but let's
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  Speaker 1: stick with Hayden, are afraid of a whippet. Whippet is
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  Speaker 1: not my problem tonight. There's high schoolers, ninth graders out
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  Speaker 1: in the parking lot at the school right now huffing
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  Speaker 1: on whippets. I'm worried about why she OD'd and why
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  Speaker 1: the feds have swarmed the Hollywood home.
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  Speaker 2: Whippet, Schmippet, don't care.
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  Speaker 4: Well, there are reports that she tried allegedly to get
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  Speaker 4: Whippets a few months ago and was unsuccessfully unable to
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  Speaker 4: do so during her book tour.
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  Speaker 5: But what we do know is.
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  Speaker 4: That when she died in Greenville, South Carolina, that there
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  Speaker 4: was a bag of medication that she had on her person.
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  Speaker 4: And we know that because in the police report it's
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  Speaker 4: mentioned that that Brian Hickerson told police, look, she has
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  Speaker 4: these bags of medications. And so alluding to maybe she
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  Speaker 4: might've been using.
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  Speaker 12: Them at the time.
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  Speaker 4: Also, there was Narcan on the scene. So, and we
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  Speaker 4: know now that it was used. And according to Brian's brother,
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  Speaker 4: Zach Hickerson, who was also on the scene, Brian was
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  Speaker 4: the person who allegedly administered the Narcan. So that also
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  Speaker 4: shows to some opioid usage. So yes, Nancy, I agree
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  Speaker 4: with you. There are signs there that there were stronger
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  Speaker 4: drugs at play.
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  Speaker 2: I'm curious.
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  Speaker 1: About the use of the Narcan, which is a whole
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  Speaker 1: other direction. But since you brought it up, let's go
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  Speaker 1: with it. To Jeff Gentry joining us, forensic certified bloodstain
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  Speaker 1: pattern analyst. He is a death investigator. He is author
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  Speaker 1: of Forensic Science, Applications to Death and Crime Scene Investigations.
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  Speaker 1: And you can find him at evidenceoverassumption.com. Jeff Gentry, thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being with us. There has been a lot
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  Speaker 1: of discussion and proof. It can, of course, be debunked.
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  Speaker 1: There are allegations, let me put it more clearly, that
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  Speaker 1: the Narcan was not administered until after Hayden was found dead.
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  Speaker 1: That the boyfriend that she had told security to keep
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  Speaker 1: him away woke up and looked over and Hayden is dead.
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  Speaker 1: So Jeff Gentry, let's address the use of Narcan and
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  Speaker 1: how we can tell if it was used by her
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  Speaker 1: or administered to her in life or post-mortem.
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  Speaker 13: Nancy, it's going to be a little difficult to tell
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  Speaker 13: whether it was administered post-mortem or not. That can be
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  Speaker 13: revealed with some toxicology testing. So you can test for
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  Speaker 13: Narcan in someone's system. So if it was administered before
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  Speaker 13: she was.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm sorry, Jeff, you just lost me right there.
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  Speaker 1: If you can look in someone's tissue or blood and
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  Speaker 1: determine if they ingested or were administered Narcan before they died,
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't really sound hard to me.
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  Speaker 2: You said it was difficult. That sounds easy.
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  Speaker 13: It might be difficult, depending on the laboratory that they use,
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  Speaker 13: depending on the toxicology tests that are utilized. but Narcan
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  Speaker 13: should be able to be detected in someone's system, in
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  Speaker 13: their bloodstream, if it was administered when they were still alive. Now,
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  Speaker 13: Narcan is typically used for opioid overdoses, so it will
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  Speaker 13: counter the effects of an opiate overdose, and it almost
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  Speaker 13: snaps someone out of an opiate overdose almost immediately. But
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  Speaker 13: they still have to be alive to be able to
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  Speaker 13: snap out of this opiate overdose. So if somebody is
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  Speaker 13: laying there deceased for a period of time, and then
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  Speaker 13: they're discovered and Narcan is administered, but they're already deceased,
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  Speaker 13: it's not going to have any effect and then you
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  Speaker 13: won't detect it in their system. However, if they are
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  Speaker 13: still able to be revived and if they're still alive,
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  Speaker 13: the Narcan can be detected in their bloodstream and it
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  Speaker 13: should have an effect if opiates were utilized. Now, if
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  Speaker 13: there were other drugs administered or there were other drugs
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  Speaker 13: utilized that the Narcan would not be effective for, then
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  Speaker 13: it's not gonna help at all, but it's specific for
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  Speaker 13: opiate overdoses. And you're correct that it can be diagnosed
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  Speaker 13: or can be detected in toxicology testing if it was
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  Speaker 13: administered when they were alive.
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  Speaker 1: And isn't it true, Jeff Gentry, you're the death investigator
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  Speaker 1: that if Narcan was administered post-mortem, after death, it would
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  Speaker 1: still be discoverable in Hayden Panettiere's nose. It's like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: when you took a COVID test with the long Q-tip,
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  Speaker 1: it swabbed in the nose. With Narcan, let's see the Narcan, please,
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  Speaker 1: so everybody knows what we're talking about. It has a
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  Speaker 1: long nose. nozzle, a cylinder that goes up your nose.
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  Speaker 1: When you take that off that, it goes.
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  Speaker 2: Up your nose.
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  Speaker 1: The Narcan would still be in her nose because she
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  Speaker 1: would not have inhaled it if she was already dead, Jeff.
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  Speaker 13: In theory, that should work. If it was administered through
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  Speaker 13: the nose and wasn't absorbed into the body and absorbed
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  Speaker 13: into the bloodstream, you might possibly be able to take
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  Speaker 13: a swab and test that swab for Narcan.
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  Speaker 1: I want to circle back to where we started to Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall joining us, a psychoanalyst out of the LA jurisdiction.
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  Speaker 2: This is in your backyard.
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  Speaker 1: And I doubt with your clientele, the feds swarmed their
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  Speaker 1: homes pursuant to search warrant.
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  Speaker 14: Hold on.
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  Speaker 2: Let me clarify that real quick before I come back
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  Speaker 2: to you, Dr. Bethany.
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  Speaker 1: Dave Mack, the feds had a search warrant to swarm
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  Speaker 1: the home, correct?
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  Speaker 10: Absolutely, Nancy.
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  Speaker 9: And there were several feds that showed up with the
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  Speaker 9: search warrant. to go into Hayden Panettiere's West Hollywood home.
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  Speaker 1: Again, Renee Rockwell, I don't know why you keep talking
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  Speaker 1: about whippets, but when the feds come in your home
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  Speaker 1: pursuant to search warrant, which is significant, and they've got
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  Speaker 1: a whole team.
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  Speaker 2: Of this, this is not a well-being check.
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  Speaker 10: No, no wellness check here. The fact that the feds.
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  Speaker 1: Obtain a search warrant from a magistrate or judge and
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  Speaker 1: then swarm the home with no warning.
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  Speaker 2: These are DEA agents.
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  Speaker 15: Why?
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  Speaker 2: What are they looking for?
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  Speaker 11: This is not a wellness check, Nancy. This is obviously
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  Speaker 11: going to be a federal investigation. And does it disturb
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  Speaker 11: you that somebody's got Narcan on the scene?
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  Speaker 10: What does that mean to you?
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  Speaker 11: Are they planning on having to rescue someone from an overdose?
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  Speaker 1: We're still waiting on a timeline. No one is a suspect.
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  Speaker 1: No one is a person of interest. That's what we
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  Speaker 1: know tonight. But there is, let's just say, a development
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  Speaker 1: in the investigation that feds swarmed the home. And they're
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  Speaker 1: not just any feds. They're DEA, Drug Enforcement Agency feds. Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, a psychoanalyst out of L.A. You can see
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  Speaker 1: her on Netflix, Hulu, Bravo, author of a brand new book.
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  Speaker 1: And she's a star of a new podcast, On the
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  Speaker 1: Couch with Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Bethany. Jump in, Bethany.
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  Speaker 12: You know, Nancy, I'm going to guess that the DEA
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  Speaker 12: was not doing a welfare check in West Hollywood. They
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  Speaker 12: were swarming her home because there's a supply chain behind
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  Speaker 12: this overdose. And let's think about what a supply chain
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  Speaker 12: could be. It could be drugs being produced from overseas
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  Speaker 12: coming over the border, or it could be doctors in
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  Speaker 12: Beverly Hills. in West Hollywood, around the country, supplying opioids.
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  Speaker 12: What was their drug of choice?
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  Speaker 10: Opioids.
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  Speaker 12: Who addicted her to opioids? Someone on a set when
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  Speaker 12: she was 15 years old. They were together for eight years,
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  Speaker 12: she and Brian. And it seems to me that she
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  Speaker 12: might have done what we call falling out.
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  Speaker 2: Dr.
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  Speaker 12: Maroney talked about that this week. And I call it
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  Speaker 12: in my practice, nodding out. When somebody comes in and
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  Speaker 12: they're high on opioids, They will start talking and then
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  Speaker 12: all of a sudden they just nod out. Like they
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  Speaker 12: go back to sleep. They go to sleep and then
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  Speaker 12: they start, they rouse themselves out of it. They start
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  Speaker 12: talking again.
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  Speaker 10: They don't even.
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  Speaker 12: Realize that they nodded out. That's a sign of opiate abuse.
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  Speaker 12: Who prescribes opiates?
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  Speaker 2: Doctors.
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  Speaker 12: As this story develops, we are going to learn who
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  Speaker 12: is prescribing these illicit drugs and And you know, Nancy,
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  Speaker 12: I want to say something about whippets. Who primarily uses whippets? Men.
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  Speaker 12: Men and adolescent boys. They're trying to pin this on
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  Speaker 12: Hayden as if she ordered.
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  Speaker 10: Booze and whippets.
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  Speaker 12: But I believe somebody was behind that because men use
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  Speaker 12: whippets to experience, to enhance sexual excitement while they're using drugs.
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  Speaker 12: That's why they order them. So there is a man around.
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  Speaker 1: Back to Eileen Reslin joining us from Daily Mail. As
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  Speaker 1: I recall, the timeline begins around 1030 where she's putting
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  Speaker 1: on makeup and then I believe the boyfriend leaves to
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  Speaker 1: go pick something up. Give me that timeline to the
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  Speaker 1: best of your knowledge.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, Nancy.
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  Speaker 4: So this timeline is according to Hayden's mother, Leslie, who
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  Speaker 4: claims that she spoke to police and they relate information
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  Speaker 4: that Brian told them. So according to what Brian said
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  Speaker 4: to police at 1030 in the morning, Hayden is getting ready,
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  Speaker 4: putting on her makeup. They have plans later that day
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  Speaker 4: to meet up with his brother, Zach, to go to
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  Speaker 4: lunch and play some golf.
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  Speaker 5: And so he then steps out.
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  Speaker 4: We don't know when exactly he comes back, but apparently
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  Speaker 4: we don't even know if they exchanged some words or
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  Speaker 4: what exactly happened.
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  Speaker 5: But at some point they lay down to take a nap.
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  Speaker 4: Now, that time period is really important because when they
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  Speaker 4: take a nap, were they high?
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  Speaker 5: Had they used drugs? We don't know that yet.
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  Speaker 4: And then what we know next is that sometime around
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  Speaker 4: a later 1 o'clock to 2 p.m., Zach shows up
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  Speaker 4: and he's knocking on the door because they're not answering
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  Speaker 4: his texts and trying to, you know, reunite with them
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  Speaker 4: to go to their plans.
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  Speaker 5: And then that's when they found Hayden sadly unresponsive.
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  Speaker 16: His brother... gave us a statement that he texted Brian
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  Speaker 16: and Hayden on that Sunday morning, last Sunday, and didn't
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  Speaker 16: get a response, went to this Airbnb where they were,
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  Speaker 16: and then found Brian, who had just woken up, and
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  Speaker 16: Hayden laying in a bed. And Brian then administered Narcan
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  Speaker 16: to her.
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  Speaker 1: From our friend Harvey Levin at TMZ, okay, Renee Rockwell,
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  Speaker 1: you're the defense attorney. You do see the problems, the
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  Speaker 1: implications of that statement that the boyfriend's brother gives as
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  Speaker 1: to what happened. He texts, he texts, he texts, and
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  Speaker 1: nobody answered. They're clearly out cold. Is she already dead?
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  Speaker 1: That would be my question. What was the temperature of
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  Speaker 1: her body when paramedics finally got there?
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  Speaker 2: I need answers. They're out. They're not answering texts.
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  Speaker 1: The brother gets there. The boyfriend is just waking up
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  Speaker 1: and they see Hayden Panettiere out and then administer Narcan.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know that that's what happened, but with what
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  Speaker 1: he told Harvey, that's a big problem.
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  Speaker 2: Is she already dead?
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  Speaker 10: Well, Nancy, do you have Narcan at your house? I
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  Speaker 10: don't have any at my house.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I do.
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  Speaker 10: What does that mean to you?
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  Speaker 1: I do, because my mom uses opioids for back pain.
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  Speaker 11: Okay, so maybe I need to get some too. But
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  Speaker 11: this is a young lady. They're staying somewhere else in
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  Speaker 11: an Airbnb. Is this her permanent home? They happen to
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  Speaker 11: have some Narcan that's readily available, hopefully, for the use.
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  Speaker 11: Are they both out, like you said?
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  Speaker 10: Is she, is it too little too late?
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  Speaker 2: Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall, I just have a problem with this whole scenario,
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  Speaker 1: the way it's playing out. The brother who goes on
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  Speaker 1: TMZ and gives that statement, he knows he's not speaking
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  Speaker 1: to law enforcement.
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  Speaker 2: He's talking to Harvey Levin. He's being open, and.
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  Speaker 1: He describes what happens. So they're trying and trying. He's
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  Speaker 1: trying to get through. Nobody will pick up their phones.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody will answer texts.
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  Speaker 2: They're out cold.
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  Speaker 1: I have reason to believe she's already dead. And then
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  Speaker 1: the scramble is on.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I want to hear your analysis.
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  Speaker 12: Well, there are so many story holes. One is that
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  Speaker 12: if you're calling and texting and your brother doesn't wake up,
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  Speaker 12: but you knock on the door and then he wakes up,
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  Speaker 12: that's a little suspicious. You said earlier that Hayden Panettiere
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  Speaker 12: was putting her makeup on, and then they decided to
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  Speaker 12: take a nap. I can tell you right now, no woman,
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  Speaker 12: especially an actress, is going to put her makeup on
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  Speaker 12: and then lie down for a nap, unless she's extremely high,
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  Speaker 12: because that's going to ruin her makeup. The idea that
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  Speaker 12: she was in a chair, and then she was on
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  Speaker 12: the bed. But also, why talk to Harvey Levin? Zach
• 19:02
  Speaker 12: has a long history with his brother, I'm sure, covering
• 19:05
  Speaker 12: for him, rescuing him, knowing about his history, knowing about
• 19:09
  Speaker 12: his relationship with Hayden, knowing about abuse.
• 19:13
  Speaker 10: This kind of.
• 19:13
  Speaker 12: Abuse does not happen with one beating. It happens with
• 19:17
  Speaker 12: isolating the victim from people in their lives, loved ones,
• 19:21
  Speaker 12: family members, then going into their work life like she's
• 19:24
  Speaker 12: on that set, then occasionally beating them. And to go
• 19:28
  Speaker 12: back to Zach and the scene, if Hayden was indeed
• 19:32
  Speaker 12: one of his best friends, if she was confiding in him,
• 19:35
  Speaker 12: he's torn between his brother, Brian and Hayden, and he
• 19:39
  Speaker 12: is going on the defensive.
• 19:41
  Speaker 15: I think it speaks for itself.
• 19:45
  Speaker 17: I mean, I, you know, I got arrested for, you know,
• 19:51
  Speaker 17: abusing her and I wouldn't blame her friends for being
• 19:55
  Speaker 17: pissed off at me.
• 19:56
  Speaker 8: I had a lot to drink and I got physical
• 20:01
  Speaker 8: with her and I got arrested, spent the night in
• 20:05
  Speaker 8: jail and, you know, That's just what happens when you
• 20:12
  Speaker 8: lay hands on women. So there's a story where.
• 20:20
  Speaker 14: I was drunk, right? Aiden was standing across the room
• 20:27
  Speaker 14: and I had a phone in my hand and I said, Hayden,
• 20:33
  Speaker 14: I said, I'll give you 10 seconds to run as
• 20:37
  Speaker 14: fast as you can before I throw it at you.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: What does that mean?
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I'll give you 10 seconds to run for the road.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: That's from TMZ. What is he talking about, Eileen Reslin?
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: I'll give you 10 seconds to run for it.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: No, he was incredibly manipulative with everything. Hayden, Nancy, he
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: would send her threatening messages. I mean, even after he
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: had gotten convicted for domestic violence, he told her time
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: to go to war if she didn't drop the charges.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: And he also threatened to release information that he said
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: was overseas.
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: What that was, we don't know.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: But he alluded to it being incriminating and to really
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: trying to ruin Hayden's reputation. So the lengths that this
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: man would go, I mean, everybody around her was really concerned.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: I actually interviewed people in Hayden's inner circle who told
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: me that he was a lot of trouble and people
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: really tried to get her away from him. But unfortunately,
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: even to her final days, she just could not escape him.
• 21:36
  Speaker 17: What I did, you know, and I just.
• 21:40
  Speaker 15: Want people to know, I mean, like.
• 21:44
  Speaker 15: People do this all the time, you know? It's like,
• 21:49
  Speaker 15: you think I'm the only one that did that?
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: No.
• 21:52
  Speaker 15: People do that all the time.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: From TMZ, people do what all the time? Beat up
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: their partner? Is that what he's saying, Dave Mack?
• 22:00
  Speaker 9: Yes, that is exactly what he is saying. Brian Hickerson
• 22:04
  Speaker 9: has been arrested at least four times across multiple... incidents
• 22:10
  Speaker 9: involving domestic violence and drug-related charges. And, you know, Nancy,
• 22:14
  Speaker 9: this even came up in the recent past, in the
• 22:16
  Speaker 9: last few weeks, when Hickerson actually went before a judge
• 22:20
  Speaker 9: to have his record expunged, and the judge referenced an
• 22:23
  Speaker 9: interview he did that you were just listening to with TMZ,
• 22:27
  Speaker 9: where Hickerson is obviously under the influence. But backing up
• 22:32
  Speaker 9: his history, Nancy, May of 2019, Hickerson arrested on suspicion
• 22:38
  Speaker 9: of domestic violence against Hayden Panicare. Charges were initially dismissed
• 22:42
  Speaker 9: when prosecutors couldn't secure a material witness, but later covered
• 22:46
  Speaker 9: a broader 2020 indictment when he pleaded no contest to that.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: One in 2021.
• 22:52
  Speaker 9: In Wyoming in 2020, he was arrested on Valentine's Day
• 22:57
  Speaker 9: for misdemeanor battery after an alleged domestic incident. August 2025,
• 23:03
  Speaker 9: just over a year ago, arrested at a bar, Barney's Beanery.
• 23:08
  Speaker 9: That case was later declined for prosecution due to insufficient evidence.
• 23:12
  Speaker 9: And then we have August 6th of 2025, where Hickerson
• 23:16
  Speaker 9: was arrested. days after the Barney's Beanery incident and booked
• 23:20
  Speaker 9: on a misdemeanor count of being under the influence. So
• 23:24
  Speaker 9: Hickerson has a long record. But, Nancy, there's something really
• 23:28
  Speaker 9: important that Hayden Panettiere said in his statement in 2020
• 23:33
  Speaker 9: in talking about Brian Hickerson. She was speaking out publicly about,
• 23:37
  Speaker 9: you know, surviving domestic abuse. And she actually said this, quote,
• 23:41
  Speaker 9: I'm coming forward with the truth about what happened to
• 23:43
  Speaker 9: me with the hope that my story will empower others
• 23:46
  Speaker 9: in abusive relationships to get the help they need and deserve.
• 23:50
  Speaker 9: I am prepared to do my part to make sure
• 23:53
  Speaker 9: this man never hurts anyone again.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Renee Rockwell, defense attorney. Did you hear him say, yeah,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: people do it all the time.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: It's not just me.
• 24:04
  Speaker 15: What?
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Is that the defense? Everybody else doesn't beat their partner?
• 24:11
  Speaker 11: How much as a prosecutor did you love that statement?
• 24:16
  Speaker 11: That was painful for me to watch. And you will
• 24:20
  Speaker 11: see that again and again. I don't know him in
• 24:25
  Speaker 11: any other context, but he sounds impaired to me and
• 24:29
  Speaker 11: he sounds like He gave her 10 seconds to take off,
• 24:33
  Speaker 11: and then he's going to throw the phone at her.
• 24:36
  Speaker 10: Oh, my goodness. How much did you love that, Nancy?
• 24:39
  Speaker 10: As much as I hated it?
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Well, in a probative sense, I guess it proves something
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: to me, and that's how I see the world. What,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: if anything, can each statement or piece of evidence prove
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: in a court of law? This is not in a
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: court of law. There's no suspect. There's no person of interest.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: But I got a problem, Dr.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Bethany. I got a big problem. That's who is.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Her protege, that's who was with her the night she died.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Before you answer that question, Dr.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Bethany, listen.
• 25:08
  Speaker 15: I mean, it was, who wants to read something about
• 25:13
  Speaker 15: themselves like that, right? But, you know, you got to
• 25:18
  Speaker 15: be vulnerable. And, you know, I did it.
• 25:22
  Speaker 7: I did it.
• 25:23
  Speaker 15: It's fine. My biggest thing about domestic violence is I
• 25:30
  Speaker 15: don't think it is taught early enough in life. Never
• 25:36
  Speaker 15: in my life did I ever get taught what domestic
• 25:40
  Speaker 15: violence was, right?
• 25:42
  Speaker 17: Maybe if I did at an early age, maybe I
• 25:46
  Speaker 17: wouldn't have done what I did.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Back to Jeff Gentry, death investigator at evidenceoverassumption.com. Jeff, again,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: thank you for being with us tonight. If she died
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: of an OD, by the way, that's from our friend
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Harvey Levin at TMZ. If she did die from an OD,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: how would I tell if someone else administered.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: That to her?
• 26:13
  Speaker 13: That's exactly what we should be looking at in this case. Nancy,
• 26:16
  Speaker 13: I want to comment a little bit on the friend
• 26:19
  Speaker 13: that was with her. I know people and I have
• 26:22
  Speaker 13: people in my life that I am very close to,
• 26:24
  Speaker 13: that I care very much about, that are victims of
• 26:26
  Speaker 13: domestic violence. And The people that are abusers don't care
• 26:31
  Speaker 13: about the person they're with. They care only about themselves.
• 26:34
  Speaker 13: And just hearing his demeanor and the way he spoke
• 26:37
  Speaker 13: about her and his history of domestic violence, he didn't
• 26:39
  Speaker 13: care one bit about her. And you've got to look
• 26:42
  Speaker 13: very closely at these people when there are overdoses. You
• 26:45
  Speaker 13: have to look at cell phone records. You have to
• 26:47
  Speaker 13: look at the circumstances, the scene. You have to collect fingerprints,
• 26:50
  Speaker 13: every bit of evidence you possibly can to see what's
• 26:53
  Speaker 13: who was actually involved in administering these drugs, because that
• 26:56
  Speaker 13: could be a key factor in determining, was it her
• 27:00
  Speaker 13: that ingested these on her own under her free will,
• 27:03
  Speaker 13: or was she coerced into doing so? Was she forced
• 27:05
  Speaker 13: into doing so? That is a key part that needs
• 27:08
  Speaker 13: to be determined in this investigation.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Great example. Hold on, Jeff Gentry. Great example, Dr. Bethany Marshall.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Belushi, one of the greatest comedians that ever lived, was
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: reportedly afraid of needles, so he had a female inject
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: him with a lethal dose of drugs.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: That would be an enabler. Here's another example. Listen.
• 27:32
  Speaker 18: Defendant Placentia knew full well the danger of what he
• 27:35
  Speaker 18: was doing. In fact, on one occasion, he injected Mr.
• 27:40
  Speaker 18: Perry with ketamine, and he saw Mr. Perry freeze up
• 27:44
  Speaker 18: and his blood pressure spike. Despite that, he left additional
• 27:48
  Speaker 18: vials of ketamine for defendant Iwamasa to administer to Mr.
• 27:54
  Speaker 14: Perry.
• 27:55
  Speaker 18: Of course, defendant Iwamasa had no medical training to speak of.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: That was U.S.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Attorney Martin Estrada, and he was referring to not only
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: the doctor that supplied Friends of Star Matthew Perry ketamine illegally,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: but also his dutiful and loyal assistant, Iwamana, who enabled
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Iwamasa the lethal dose and then left Matthew Perry to
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: die in a hot tub. I mean, with friends like that, Dr. Bethany,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: who needs enemies?
• 28:28
  Speaker 12: I'm thinking about a patient of mine whose husband was
• 28:30
  Speaker 12: extremely abusive. He would ply her with alcohol and the
• 28:34
  Speaker 12: next day say, you know, you gave me your credit card, right?
• 28:37
  Speaker 12: You know, you agreed that I would drive your Rolls Royce, right?
• 28:41
  Speaker 12: So when you ply a victim with drugs or alcohol,
• 28:46
  Speaker 12: it really cements your power over them because the victim
• 28:49
  Speaker 12: feels so helpless, so ashamed. They can't remember what happened
• 28:54
  Speaker 12: when they were high. They feel thrown off balance all
• 28:59
  Speaker 12: of the time. So that increases the power differential. Now,
• 29:03
  Speaker 12: when Brian Hickerson says in that interview, you know, I
• 29:07
  Speaker 12: had to be vulnerable and I had to read about myself,
• 29:11
  Speaker 12: you know, he's taking no responsibility for what he did
• 29:14
  Speaker 12: to Hayden or Hayden. that he brutalized her. So Hayden
• 29:18
  Speaker 12: is an it. She's not really a real person. He's
• 29:22
  Speaker 12: just talking about himself. And then when he goes on
• 29:25
  Speaker 12: to say, well, you know, they need to teach this
• 29:27
  Speaker 12: stuff earlier, you know, in education to young men, something
• 29:32
  Speaker 12: like that. Now he's shifting responsibility onto the educational system.
• 29:36
  Speaker 12: So in no way is he taking responsibility for himself.
• 29:40
  Speaker 12: And Nancy, the smoking gun here is two things. One,
• 29:44
  Speaker 12: that one little snippet you showed at the beginning of
• 29:47
  Speaker 12: the show where he's on set with a producer. He
• 29:50
  Speaker 12: had invaded her professional life and was taking over her friendships.
• 29:55
  Speaker 12: That's a classic sign of abuse, the fact that he
• 29:58
  Speaker 12: sold her vintage guitar before her death. He was already
• 30:03
  Speaker 12: taking her items and he was profiting from her financially.
• 30:07
  Speaker 12: And those two things, I think, that's not just enabling,
• 30:11
  Speaker 12: that's being a leech.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Question, Dave Mack, Crime Stories. What effect would the whippets
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: and boos have on Hayden?
• 30:21
  Speaker 9: You know, Nancy, the whippets and booze can really create
• 30:25
  Speaker 9: a major quag for anyone that abuses them. You know,
• 30:30
  Speaker 9: what she was asking for just a couple of months
• 30:33
  Speaker 9: before her passing, and it was industrial strength nitrous. Okay,
• 30:37
  Speaker 9: we're not talking about getting, you know, the generic cool
• 30:40
  Speaker 9: whip and sucking out the nitrous at the bottom of
• 30:42
  Speaker 9: the can here. But, you know— Whippets can lead to
• 30:46
  Speaker 9: seizure-like convulsions, Nancy. You do too much of them, you
• 30:52
  Speaker 9: become semi-conscious. You can end up with these convulsions that
• 30:55
  Speaker 9: send you into cardiac arrest. People die from nitrous oxide
• 31:01
  Speaker 9: and don't think it's going to hurt you.
• 31:03
  Speaker 10: It can.
• 31:04
  Speaker 9: Demi Moore almost died using whippets back in 2012, Nancy.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Renee Rockwell, you and I were both practicing in the
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: same courthouse when the star of All in the Family
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: and Heat of the Night, Carol O'Connor's son, had died
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: of a drug overdose. And the supplier ended up in court.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: So this theory is not new. No.
• 31:35
  Speaker 10: No, but now people can prove these things.
• 31:39
  Speaker 11: Alley's a lot easier with phones, text messages, GPS. We
• 31:46
  Speaker 11: know where everybody is. There's cameras all over town now.
• 31:50
  Speaker 11: Hard to hide.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: The legal theory is not untried.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: We saw it with the so-called ketamine queen to Dr.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Let's see a look at this piece of work. This
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: is a multimillionaire socialite. that supplied Matthew Perry with ketamine,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: including the fatal dose.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Look at her.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: She looks like a fashion model. Everybody sucked up to her.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: She was the queen because she supplied their drugs. What
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: about that luxe lifestyle, Dr.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Bethany?
• 32:28
  Speaker 12: You know, Nancy, every Hermes bag, every Christian Dior pair
• 32:32
  Speaker 12: of eyeglasses, the penthouse, the luxury car, All of that
• 32:37
  Speaker 12: was paid for by victims' lives, by addicting victims, by
• 32:42
  Speaker 12: supplying them in ways that led.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: What is that on her foot? Wait, Bethany, what is that?
• 32:47
  Speaker 12: That is the Hermes bag, Nancy.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: How much does that cost?
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: That was the burqa.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: How much does that cost? $ 30, 000, okay?
• 32:57
  Speaker 12: And it looks like she may be in a penthouse there.
• 32:59
  Speaker 12: Maybe it's her own house. But, you know, Nancy, if
• 33:01
  Speaker 12: we take this back to Brian Hickerson, you know, just
• 33:04
  Speaker 12: like that.
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: Queen Bee.
• 33:07
  Speaker 12: Has Hermes bags on her foot. What did Brian Hickerson have?
• 33:12
  Speaker 12: I'd be so interested to know that. Did she pay
• 33:15
  Speaker 12: for his housing? Did she lease, rent, or buy a
• 33:19
  Speaker 12: car for him? Did he have a Rolex watch? Did
• 33:24
  Speaker 12: she just pay for his drugs? He benefited in some way, Nancy.
• 33:28
  Speaker 12: Hayden voluntarily entered rehab for 10 months. Insurance does not
• 33:33
  Speaker 12: pay for 10 months of rehab. She paid for that
• 33:36
  Speaker 12: out of her own pocket because she wanted.
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: To be sober.
• 33:40
  Speaker 12: Now, with Brian Hickerson, if he kept supplying drugs, what
• 33:44
  Speaker 12: might have happened is that they created what we call
• 33:47
  Speaker 12: a kindling effect in the brain. So if you go
• 33:50
  Speaker 12: on and off substances, it actually will light kindling a fire.
• 33:56
  Speaker 12: It will make the brain want those substances even more.
• 34:00
  Speaker 12: So this is not just him supplying her with opioids
• 34:03
  Speaker 12: one time. But if there was that intermittent supply of opioids,
• 34:07
  Speaker 12: she could have wanted it more and more. And we
• 34:09
  Speaker 12: saw with Whitney Houston, when she was sober for a long,
• 34:12
  Speaker 12: long time and then relapsed on drugs, she had heart attack.
• 34:17
  Speaker 12: So that's the other thing is Hayden may have been
• 34:19
  Speaker 12: trying to stay sober. But if Brian reintroduced the drug,
• 34:24
  Speaker 12: she could no longer tolerate that high dose of the medication.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: But, you know, Bethany, and I'm going to throw this
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: to Eileen Reslin from Daily Mail, following up on what Dr.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Bethany just said.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: To me, that is motivation for him to keep her
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: alive if she's his meal ticket. But motive doesn't matter.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: If he enabled, like Ketamine Queen, who gave Matthew Perry
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: 50 vials, 5-0, not 15, not 5, 50, 5-0 vials
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: of ketamine.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, her vials. There she is with a Hermes bag.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: At least she's not on her foot this time.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Her, the assistant that gave him the fatal dose was there.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: And then he goes underwater and dies. Belushi, Carol O'Connor,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: on and on and on. Did he have a job
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: or was he just a parasite, a leech sucking her dry?
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: He was absolutely using Hayden as his meal ticket. We
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: at the Daily Mail uncovered bankruptcy documents that showed this
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: man had no money to his name, pretty much only
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: 20 grand, but then like 60 grand in debt.
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: So he was broke.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: And people that I spoke to said that he just
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: presented himself as a slob. So there were no fancy watches.
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: There were no designer clothes that he was wearing. I mean,
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: if he was using some of the money, it could
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: have been for drugs because we know that he had
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: substance abuse issues. But this man was not living the
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: high life by any chance or, you know, a fancy life.
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: So but he really was dependent on they had a
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: codependent relationship.
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: That's very, very clear. And sadly, he.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Just cut through all that. Who paid the bills? Did
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: he do anything?
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: No, he he only had, I believe, one acting credit
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: on IMDb and nobody would hire him. And actually, his
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: LinkedIn shows that he was the executive assistant to a
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: celebrity client.
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: So you can imagine who that would be.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: He was essentially, if you look at his LinkedIn, it
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: states that he would do errands and, you know, just
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: like everyday chores.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Like pick up packages and deliver them to Hayden Panettiere.
• 36:38
  Speaker 8: Errands.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, Renee Rockwell, you're the defense lawyer. It doesn't matter
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: if we like him. It doesn't matter if he's a slug.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if he's a tick sucking her dry.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: That does not a murder make. That does not.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Assisting in a homicide or assisting in an OD make.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: He's not charged. He's not a person of interest. He's
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: not a suspect.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: From what I can tell right now, he's just a leech.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: But the fact that he is there and the timeline
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: seems to have been altered. At one point, they say
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: that she's in a chair. At one point, she's lying down.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Who left to go get something while Hayden's laying there
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: in the bed? If the timeline is inconsistent or statements
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: are given that conflict with each other, there is a problem.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: But right now, tonight, we ain't got nothing on him.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Plain and simple.
• 37:33
  Speaker 11: Nancy, he is not a suspect. Maybe he's a leech.
• 37:37
  Speaker 11: Maybe he's a slob. What did he have? Bethany says
• 37:40
  Speaker 11: he didn't have anything. What he had was constant, consistent contact.
• 37:45
  Speaker 11: He kept getting back in, kept getting back in. Now,
• 37:49
  Speaker 11: he's made a statement. If the statements are inconsistent, that
• 37:54
  Speaker 11: puts his credibility at issue, and that's how a case
• 37:57
  Speaker 11: is built. Again, not a suspect, still innocent.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: A leech does not an accessory to murder make. You
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: may have to hold your nose when you listen to
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: him talk, but still.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Gotta have more evidence.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything regarding the
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: death of Hayden Panettiere, please dial 864-232-7463. If you need help,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: dial the National Helpline at For mental, health, drug, alcohol issues,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: you simply text or call 988. We remember American hero
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: patrolman Justin Hare, New Mexico State PD, shot and killed
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: in the line of duty at age 35, leaving behind
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: his pregnant fiancée, Dawn, and two little girls. American hero
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: patrolman Justin Hare. Thank you to our guests, but especially
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: thank you to you for being with us tonight. Nancy
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Grace signing off, but I'll see you tomorrow night. And
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: until then, good night, friend.