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Almost Famous OG: The Perfect Meatball with Susan Noles · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Bob Getty here almost Famous the Ogs. We are back.
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  Speaker 2: We're still at the almost famously average Golf outing famously
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  Speaker 2: first the first Annual. I'm assuming first annual in San Francisco.
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  Speaker 2: We're kind of in San Francisco. We're outside of San Francisco,
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  Speaker 2: but we're going to wine country today. We're gonna be
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  Speaker 2: at wenty Vineyards.
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  Speaker 3: We get to play and drink.
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  Speaker 2: We get to play and drink, and I've heard they
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  Speaker 2: have some great wines, so I'm very excited about that.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm here with Susan Knowles from of course The
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  Speaker 2: Golden Bachelor, and we have become buddies over the years.
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  Speaker 4: This is not even our first time in San fran together.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, I've been seeing each other for a minute.
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  Speaker 4: We've been seeing each other for a hot minute. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, But I wanted to talk to you about something
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  Speaker 2: I've never asked you about. And I was so excited
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  Speaker 2: when I saw you doing it and you were partner
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  Speaker 2: with my friend Jenny Garth, and it was the qbcis
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  Speaker 2: Quintessential Women, And tell me about it.
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  Speaker 4: I want to hear.
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  Speaker 3: Fifty yes, about And you know, it's funny because when
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  Speaker 3: we got off the show, that was our message to
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  Speaker 3: all ladies. I was really saying over sixty, but you
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  Speaker 3: know there was a few under six.
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  Speaker 4: Which I didn't know until last night when we were
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  Speaker 4: talking about.
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  Speaker 3: That point is some people feel invisible. Some people feel
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  Speaker 3: like they have nothing left. They raised their kids, their grandkids,
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  Speaker 3: and they're just sitting at home. There's so much out there.
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  Speaker 3: And when I joined the Q fifty, it's the age
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  Speaker 3: of opportunity that says it in a nutshell. So I
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  Speaker 3: stayed with the same theme coming off the show and
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  Speaker 3: it just fit right in. Isn't that something Jenny, It's
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  Speaker 3: just a doorable.
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  Speaker 4: Isn't she sweet?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, she just put out her new lines, said me,
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  Speaker 3: all kinds of pretty things.
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  Speaker 4: Oh that's so cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's so great and I've always I've always been
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  Speaker 2: I used to have the biggest crush on her of
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  Speaker 2: course growing up, and then loved, you know, as I
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  Speaker 2: started Actually, when Amy Sugarman started calling me to do
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  Speaker 2: podcast stuff with her, I would fill in for Tory
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  Speaker 2: and Jay and you know, do their nine or two
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  Speaker 2: one oh stuff, and you know we're always kind of like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, connecting in that regard. We had tons of
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  Speaker 2: mutual friends and then, and it was just so fun
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  Speaker 2: to see you out there with her.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my god, I love this.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I love best? Her voice. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 3: so I'm loud, I'm George, But I love talking to
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  Speaker 3: her because I feel like I lower mind just a
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  Speaker 3: little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Well, she makes it like you're having this intimate conversation. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: even if there's fifty people in the room.
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  Speaker 3: It Yeah, so pretty good she is.
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  Speaker 4: She's I'm happy for I am too. Well, I'm happy
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  Speaker 4: for you. I thought that was such a cool honor.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I mean doing a lot with QVC.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so what else are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: I mean I even read something today that have you
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  Speaker 2: been doing things on air with them as well?
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  Speaker 3: Now? The first one I felt like a fish out
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  Speaker 3: of water. The second one, It's funny. I had a wedding. First,
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  Speaker 3: I was officiating a wedding, and then we don't go
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  Speaker 3: on till ten o'clock at night, So I was made up,
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  Speaker 3: did a wedding outdoors. I was sweating. I get there
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  Speaker 3: and they put more makeup on me, and I was like,
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  Speaker 3: oh god, I saw myself on on the TV. I
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  Speaker 3: was like, I looked the hot mess.
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  Speaker 2: It's brutal when you feel that way, because even though
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure you looked great, you can't get.
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  Speaker 4: It out of your head.
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  Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, I've had a couple of experiences like that,
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  Speaker 2: and I started getting to the point. I had always
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  Speaker 2: heard that George Clooney would only let them put powder
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  Speaker 2: on him right after a while.
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  Speaker 4: And so I started doing that.
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  Speaker 2: I always go hold on, hold on, hold on before
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  Speaker 2: you the sweat, yeah, because I don't want to look
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  Speaker 2: like a clown up here. You know, I got I
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  Speaker 2: got that down already. I'm already come out as a cloud.
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  Speaker 3: So November tenth, there's a good day for me for
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  Speaker 3: QBC is with my line?
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  Speaker 4: Oh no, kidding, tell me about it. I guess are
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  Speaker 4: we allowed to talk about it?
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  Speaker 3: They were on Golden Bachelor, They were on the show
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  Speaker 3: I just filmed that you could look for on Hulu
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  Speaker 3: in January. Mimi's Meatballs.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, how exciting.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm hoping I'm tasting different things right now.
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  Speaker 2: And so will you be part of the whole process?
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  Speaker 2: How are you going to be part of the like
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  Speaker 2: you choose the ingredients? Like how how invested.
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  Speaker 4: Are you going to be on this? So I had two.
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  Speaker 3: I wanted them rolled because I have a bad shoulder
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  Speaker 3: and I hate rolling meatballs, especially when I do my
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  Speaker 3: wedding soup, I make like two hundred little meatbolls.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 3: So that was my thought. Well, I got to taste
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  Speaker 3: the rolled ones. They don't look like meat, yeah, and
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  Speaker 3: they were scary, but they tasted okay. Then I got
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  Speaker 3: a meatball mixed the veal, beef and pork and all
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  Speaker 3: my ingredients. It was way better, much more money. But
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  Speaker 3: they won't roll. Okay, So I'm in the lemons.
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  Speaker 2: So you're gonna figure that part out. Yeah, it's got
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  Speaker 2: to be a way.
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 4: I don't figure heatballs meet.
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  Speaker 3: I mean Mimi's meat really.
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  Speaker 4: Come on, you know what I think on board?
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  Speaker 2: You know what we'll do is we'll take the next
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  Speaker 2: the next uh, you know, a crop of people and
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  Speaker 2: before they can you know, get a podcast or do
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  Speaker 2: tooth whitening.
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  Speaker 4: Strips, they got to roll some meatballs. Or maybe I
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  Speaker 4: should do laundwear one.
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  Speaker 2: Of the other kids out what of the other name's loungewear?
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  Speaker 2: I like about or do a combo pack and I'll
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  Speaker 2: get some lounge wear and some.
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  Speaker 3: I've had some fabulous, fabulous opportunities. Oh, I'm sure the
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  Speaker 3: show it's been great.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know I was saying it to Kathy and
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  Speaker 2: Kathy was on too, and I know you guys have
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  Speaker 2: Golden hours.
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  Speaker 4: Your is your podcast? Yes, yes, and.
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  Speaker 2: But you guys have both had so much fun. It
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  Speaker 2: had to feel really good to just have kind of
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  Speaker 2: America talk back to you and.
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  Speaker 4: Be like, hey, we really like you. I want to
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  Speaker 4: see more of you. You know, you get some such.
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  Speaker 3: Good things people say, and then you also get those
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  Speaker 3: ugly things.
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  Speaker 2: Oh sure, yeah, yeah, I was talking about that earlier.
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  Speaker 2: I was told some great advice once and this is
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  Speaker 2: it was an over piece of op advice, and she said,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the people who have the negative things to
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  Speaker 2: say are people who are commenting on you living your life. Right,
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  Speaker 2: So like, when you think about it, how often are
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  Speaker 2: you sitting at home going, man, I need to comment
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  Speaker 2: on how that person's living.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, let me take three hours and trash people I'm talking.
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  Speaker 4: And so you know, that's a certain point.
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  Speaker 2: There's a certain blend of people that are doing it,
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  Speaker 2: and they're going to do it to somebody else. So
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  Speaker 2: my thought process says, hey, come at me, because I'm
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  Speaker 2: strong enough to handle it.
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  Speaker 4: Leave the other people alone, right, So I'll.
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  Speaker 3: Share my energy. That's what this is about, too. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I've motivated people, like it's amazing how many people write
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  Speaker 3: to me and say, you know that I'm changing them.
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  Speaker 3: They're shutting up, they're walking, they're doing whatever. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 3: what it's about.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I like what you said about how you feel
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  Speaker 2: like some people feel like they reach a certain age
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  Speaker 2: and they become invisible. And you know, my mom is
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  Speaker 2: seventy eight and she has always been the life of
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  Speaker 2: the party, the bell of the ball.
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  Speaker 4: And my dad passed away, and so.
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  Speaker 3: You take after your mom.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I really did.
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  Speaker 2: My dad passed away, and I've been so worried about
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  Speaker 2: my mom because she's not engaging the way that she
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  Speaker 2: always has in the past, and I.
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  Speaker 4: Want her to d eight.
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  Speaker 2: She's died, I know, I know, but she's always just
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  Speaker 2: been this bundle of energy and she still has moments,
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  Speaker 2: you know, And I'm always in But my sister, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we do.
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  Speaker 3: A few and far between as we I feel it.
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  Speaker 4: I know I feel it too. I'm fifty three, and
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  Speaker 4: I feel like you have.
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  Speaker 3: A little one, so that keeps you.
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  Speaker 4: I got a five year on the three year old.
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  Speaker 2: I got up early in the gym this morning and
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  Speaker 2: I was like, okay, I gotta ge get back to
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  Speaker 2: the boys.
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  Speaker 3: Got up and went to the gym.
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  Speaker 4: I had to work, Yeah, I had to.
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  Speaker 2: Only it's a it's a new thing I'm trying to
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  Speaker 2: do because I figured, you know, I was I was
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  Speaker 2: fortunate enough to have these kids later in life.
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  Speaker 4: But I don't. I don't want to use as an excuse.
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  Speaker 2: I want to be the guy that's actually there for
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  Speaker 2: them later in their lives, you know. And so I've
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  Speaker 2: got to make that commitment now, which I will be honest,
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't making it for many years. I was just
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  Speaker 2: sort of like I played football in college. I'm in
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  Speaker 2: kind of good shape. I'm just let it go.
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  Speaker 3: I got on the floor and stretched this morning, so
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  Speaker 3: I don't hurt myself to that.
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  Speaker 4: That's not really working. Well, that's that's that's prepping. That's
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  Speaker 4: prep work.
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  Speaker 3: Now, do you much of you? Well this year, not
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  Speaker 3: so much. I've been playing the better part of ten years. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: and you know you love it. You get one good.
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  Speaker 4: Shot tell it's an addictive sport.
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  Speaker 3: And I can't break one hundred. I've gotten closed one
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  Speaker 3: hundred for several times, one hundred and six and then
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  Speaker 3: the wheels off. I've only gone twice, only nine holes twice.
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  Speaker 3: I was embarrassed. I forgot everything.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it is a game that if you're not, if
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  Speaker 2: you're not, you have to be working on it.
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna go to play at least once a week,
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  Speaker 3: sometimes twice a week. And I was getting better, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and then I got busy.
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  Speaker 4: Well, today's your day.
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  Speaker 2: It is because you imagine if you come away with
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  Speaker 2: the trophy. I'm sure that they have an amazing trophy.
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  Speaker 4: I will be happy to get one.
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  Speaker 2: Par Yeah, you know, managing expectations, right, I'm like, I
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  Speaker 2: want a trophy.
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  Speaker 4: First of all, I'm not gonna win.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna win the trophy because Ben will win that.
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  Speaker 4: So that parts out. So maybe second place.
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  Speaker 3: We were playing best ball or what are we doing?
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  Speaker 4: I have a feeling this is we could drive the ball.
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  Speaker 2: The structure of the entire contest I believe is up
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  Speaker 2: to us.
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  Speaker 4: I haven't been given a lot.
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  Speaker 3: Of Wait, can I just share something? And this is
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  Speaker 3: kind of embarrassing, but I think everybody will love this.
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  Speaker 3: So for years when I played and I'm not a
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  Speaker 3: great putter, but I get it like inches, nigga, Oh
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  Speaker 3: that's a gimme. Not even inches, maybe twelve inches, that's
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  Speaker 3: a gimme. I go, oh great, and I'd pick it up.
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  Speaker 3: I never counted it.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my god, I did not count that.
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  Speaker 3: And somebody said something and they go, you don't have that.
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  Speaker 3: I guess I do. That was a gimme.
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  Speaker 4: She goes, what do you think a gimme is count
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  Speaker 4: the show?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you look at the golf club right, and
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  Speaker 2: where the grip of the golf club starts on your
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  Speaker 2: putter right supposedly in the leather. You can take it right,
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  Speaker 2: so you don't have And that's just to try and move.
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  Speaker 4: On the pace of the game. But I made the
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  Speaker 4: same mistake. So I would go up there.
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  Speaker 2: I'd be on in three right and I'm probably gonna
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  Speaker 2: two put this thing, and they go go ahead, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we'll give you that. When I'm like, great, three, I'm
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  Speaker 2: under three, and they're like, no, dude, you still got
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  Speaker 2: to count it, like you know, we're giving.
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  Speaker 4: You a one. We're counted that. I cheat it fro well,
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it's intentionial.
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  Speaker 2: You and I might both be guilty of that because
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that that was cheating. I think that
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  Speaker 2: was someone didn't instruct us on the proper picking up skills.
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  Speaker 4: And then one more question about golf.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I forget what it's called, like you have
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  Speaker 3: the worst shot your first shot? Yeah, no, no, no, I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to take this.
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  Speaker 2: A breakfast ball, a breakfast so we do get a
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  Speaker 2: breakfast ball.
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  Speaker 1: We do.
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  Speaker 4: I can't play without it.
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  Speaker 3: How many do we get?
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  Speaker 2: Well, like one per game? Yes, not per hole? Now
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  Speaker 2: we go one per whole. I could like this place
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  Speaker 2: on fire today. I might, I might really do something great.
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  Speaker 2: But I think I think it's technically your first drive
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  Speaker 2: that we all get too off that first tee because
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  Speaker 2: it's the first drive.
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  Speaker 4: Of the day. That's usually my best drive. Yeah, this
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  Speaker 4: is the one time I don't need to drive, all right.
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  Speaker 3: What's your favorite club in your What stick do you
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  Speaker 3: like the best?
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  Speaker 4: I'm big on my wedges.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so if I can get in and around the green,
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I can actually get it done, you know,
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  Speaker 2: But anywhere else.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to have a go to.
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  Speaker 3: Like you in trouble, what's your go to, like, mine's
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  Speaker 3: my seven iron.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, seven iron is the one.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not even going to try to make it. Just
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  Speaker 3: get out of the crap and get.
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  Speaker 2: Back on the say, mine's probably my eight iron, Okay, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I go to my eight iron line. Yeah, I love
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  Speaker 2: my seven iron two. But I have the tendency to
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  Speaker 2: skull that thing once in a while and I get
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  Speaker 2: all pissed off.
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  Speaker 4: Eight iron.
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  Speaker 2: It's got a natural little wedge like off to it,
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  Speaker 2: So I get all excited about that. Now for you,
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  Speaker 2: right now with the weddings and everything else you got
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  Speaker 2: going on, are you just flying all over the place?
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  Speaker 4: Are you constantly on the road?
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  Speaker 3: One of them are drivable. They're by me. Although I've
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  Speaker 3: been invited to marry two men out in Lake Tahoe.
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  Speaker 2: We were talking about this because that's where we had
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  Speaker 2: that The Sugarman's Sweet, and we both had to miss
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  Speaker 2: that one. So that's going to be so great. Are
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  Speaker 2: you doing calendar?
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  Speaker 3: Tell me way in advance so I could book this. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and today my life. If it's not on the calendar,
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  Speaker 3: it's not happening, right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah's crazy? No, Well, you know what, good things happen
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  Speaker 4: to good people?
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  Speaker 3: Seven I thought i'd be like easy streets.
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  Speaker 2: You're ramping it up. Well, you look great. A little
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  Speaker 2: birdie told me today that you're juggling. You're juggling. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know some love interests.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. Are we talking about that on the
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  Speaker 4: air today?
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  Speaker 3: Can we say love you're juggling.
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  Speaker 4: Some lust interests, No, some like interests. I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I dated somebody you go to dinner once in a while.
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  Speaker 3: He's got some his things. I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so you haven't.
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  Speaker 3: He's relationship material.
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  Speaker 4: He's hanging out material.
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  Speaker 3: That's fine, and that's cool too, That's fine, but I'm open.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, just making sure I don't want any of our
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  Speaker 2: listeners to think you're off the market. Okay, all right,
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  Speaker 2: well you heard it here first, My girl season still
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  Speaker 2: on the market.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want a lust relationship. They are fun, but
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  Speaker 3: I just want to be in love and share my
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  Speaker 3: rest of.
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  Speaker 4: My life right now.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think you got a lot of chapter is
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  Speaker 2: best chafter That's right. My friend, that little birdie who
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  Speaker 2: told me that might read like fifty books a year sometimes,
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  Speaker 2: and she, you know, she kind of knows you, so
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  Speaker 2: I think she might know what she's talking about, well,
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  Speaker 2: she tries.
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  Speaker 3: To tell me what to do every day.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure you guys are such a you guys are
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  Speaker 2: like a power cuple.
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  Speaker 4: I love the two of you together.
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  Speaker 2: We can fight, we can cry, we could yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: then you always hogging it out and having fun. And
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  Speaker 2: that's the biggest thing.
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  Speaker 4: Just shut up.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I loved about last night. We were all
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  Speaker 2: talking too. We had all through all. We have the
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  Speaker 2: three amigos up there in the show. That was all
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  Speaker 2: her own she did. She's like, it's time to shine,
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  Speaker 2: and she shut up. She has to learn, right, she
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  Speaker 2: has to. She got to insert yourself.
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  Speaker 3: If you chance with us, it's stark. We have so
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  Speaker 3: much fun together.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I love the whole QBC fifty thing. I'm so
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  Speaker 4: excited for you.
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: Of course, Golden Hour, make sure you check out that
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: podcast after of course, listening to the almost famous OG
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  Speaker 2: podcast right co or listen to them in tandem.
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  Speaker 3: And we just have our kids on air?
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  Speaker 4: Did you really?
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  Speaker 3: It was so fun watching Kathy's face when her son
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  Speaker 3: admitted to doing things in her house. Oh but he
• 14:10
  Speaker 3: was young.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna have to dial that one up.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't heard that one yet, well, good luck to
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  Speaker 2: say out the course. I hope you crush it, and
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: of course I love you and thank you for always
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: being so willing to come on the show.
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: We actually have you back, and I'll see you out there.
• 14:26
  Speaker 4: You know you will, all right.
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  Speaker 2: So that is a wrap for our show here from
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  Speaker 2: San Francisco for Almost Famous. To O G's we missed you,
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: Trista Sutter Nay Wren, but uh, you know what, We'll
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: make sure we get something good going on very soon.
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: I love you guys, Thank you all for listening, subscribing
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: and liking and all that good stuff, and we'll see
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: you next time.
• 14:46
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