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Credlin | 26 May · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Pedo Krendler live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Kredline. More power, bill pain for households, the
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Speaker 2: regulator signing off a year ten percent increase for New
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Speaker 2: South Wales alone.
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Speaker 3: It's a mess.
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Speaker 2: Exacerbated by the fact the taxpayers are also being asked
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Speaker 2: to fork out billions of dollars in subsidies for renewable projects,
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Speaker 2: most of which a foreign owned. The ABC gets it wrong.
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Speaker 2: Their flagship program Insight, is forced into an embarrassing apology
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Speaker 2: today accusing two National Party MPs of abandoning their flood
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Speaker 2: ravaged electorates. This is ideology trumping facts. I'll speak to
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Speaker 2: one of those MPs in a moment. Class nearly one
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand asylum seekers yet to be deported despite having
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Speaker 2: their applications to stay in Australiae rejected. The Albanezi governments
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Speaker 2: warned we're headed for a US style undocumented migrant crisis
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Speaker 2: and Victoria's knife crist too. It exploded over the weekend,
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Speaker 2: but today the Premier says she is banning machetes. Well,
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Speaker 2: that's exposed is nothing more than a hollow promise.
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Speaker 4: This is the toughest ban on the sale of machetes
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Speaker 4: that has been put in place here in Australia.
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Speaker 5: Now only banning the sale so it's still not a
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Speaker 5: prohibitive weapon until the first September.
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Speaker 6: It won't stop people from roaming the streets threatening Victorian's
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Speaker 6: lives carrying these machetes.
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Speaker 3: It is a sham just into Alan.
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Speaker 2: We'll get to that a bit later in the show,
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Speaker 2: but first you've heard me say that one of the
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Speaker 2: great mysteries of the last campaign was why the Coalition
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Speaker 2: failed to pursue the government over its policy to attacks
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Speaker 2: unearned income. Well, no, less a mystery was the Coalition's
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Speaker 2: failure to go after Labour's immigration catastrophe, not just its
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Speaker 2: stuff up so over foreign criminal detainees, but the whole
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Speaker 2: scope of its bigg Australia agenda. Because out of control
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Speaker 2: legal migration is exacerbating how cost of living crisis. It
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Speaker 2: puts downward pressure on wages, upward pressure on housing and
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Speaker 2: massive pressure.
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Speaker 3: On our infrastructure.
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Speaker 2: Well, today we learned via the Australian newspaper that there's
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Speaker 2: been some fifty percent increase in the number of so
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Speaker 2: called asylum seekers who've had their applications refused, But who are.
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Speaker 3: Still in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Now, what we're talking about here are people who've arrived
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Speaker 2: in this country, applied for asylum so are protection visa,
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Speaker 2: have been assessed and found not to be a genuine refugee,
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Speaker 2: but they then refused to leave and the government then
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Speaker 2: does not deport them. And I was shocked to learn
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Speaker 2: we're talking about almost one hundred thousand people here. Now
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Speaker 2: some of them are form of both people. Some of
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Speaker 2: the fifty thousand plus who came here illegally during the
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Speaker 2: Rudd Gillard years when Chris Bowen was the immigration minister,
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Speaker 2: let's not forget that, but many of them were also
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Speaker 2: people who arrived in Australia legally that might have come
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Speaker 2: as students or tourists, and then once here they subsequently
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Speaker 2: tried to claim asylum. Indeed, the report today reveals that
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Speaker 2: fewer than fifteen failed asylum seekers left last month. Only
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Speaker 2: five of those were actually deported. That's five out of
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Speaker 2: nearly one hundred thousand. And of that one hundred thousand
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Speaker 2: we're talking about, some have been in this country for
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Speaker 2: fifteen years or more that the courts have then found
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Speaker 2: not to be refugees, as I've said, but who refuse
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Speaker 2: to leave, and so they live either in detention or
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Speaker 2: out in the community with access to taxpayer funded financial
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Speaker 2: support and medicare. Now the problem here is home countries
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Speaker 2: that refuse to take back people no longer legally entitled
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Speaker 2: to remain in Australia, and of course our legal appeals
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Speaker 2: system often where we fund these people by the taxpayer,
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Speaker 2: that can then be dragged out almost endlessly so that
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Speaker 2: people here illegally can't quickly be sent back again. This
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Speaker 2: is Labored losing control of our borders, being soft on people,
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Speaker 2: exploiting our country's goodwill.
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Speaker 3: This is Labor playing.
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Speaker 2: True to form because it's the activist in its ranks
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Speaker 2: that call the shots and they just hope, don't they
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Speaker 2: that it doesn't get reported in the media and that
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Speaker 2: you never find out. So what needs to happen here?
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Speaker 3: What's the solution?
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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, the media needs to report this
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Speaker 2: good on the Australian today for letting us.
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Speaker 3: All know what's really going on.
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Speaker 2: Second two, the opposition needs to do its job and
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Speaker 2: hold the government to account. It should be pushing hard
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Speaker 2: right now for laws to be changed so the people
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Speaker 2: who get to Australia and then claim asylum, get just
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Speaker 2: one review only, and if they are not found to.
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Speaker 3: Be genuine refugees, they are out.
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Speaker 2: That would then put an end to people using our
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Speaker 2: good will multiple times over as they gain the system.
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Speaker 2: Second two, people should not be allowed to come to
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Speaker 2: this country if their country of citizenship is not ready
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Speaker 2: and willing to take them back, if they're no longer
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Speaker 2: legally allowed to remain here. If they want to get
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Speaker 2: a visa to come here from let's say Iran, well.
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Speaker 3: They can't have one. They cannot have one.
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Speaker 2: Not until Iran agrees to willingly take back any of
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Speaker 2: their citizens that we might need or want to deport.
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Speaker 2: Because right now Iran refuses to do that. So that
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Speaker 2: if you come here from Iran and you overstay your visa,
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Speaker 2: you try and claim protection, it's all knocked back, but
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Speaker 2: you stay here anyway, Iran won't take you back, so
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Speaker 2: we're stuck with you in Australia. Well that should mean
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Speaker 2: that no one from Iran gets a visa.
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Speaker 3: It's not that hard.
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Speaker 2: It just takes resolve. And again it's an issue where
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Speaker 2: leadership is needed. Leadership that the Coalition could and should
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Speaker 2: have provided, at least in the election campaign. Well, now
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Speaker 2: they're in opposition again and they want to be taken seriously,
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Speaker 2: then they've got to speak up and loudly on issues
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Speaker 2: like this. Look today to more evidence of Labour's energy
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Speaker 2: train wreck. All the things I foreshadowed back in January
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Speaker 2: and February were happening as Labour tried to hide the
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Speaker 2: extent of the energy mess from voters and largely they
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Speaker 2: got away with it. First up, confirmation today that power
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Speaker 2: bills are set to sow yet again as the Australian
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Speaker 2: Energy Regulator made it final its initial draft determination that
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Speaker 2: was released back in marsh. Now this means that price
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Speaker 2: hunks are on the way up was of nine percent
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Speaker 2: on bills, largely, the regulator says, due to the increased
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Speaker 2: costs associated with wholesale electricity contracts for the coming financial year.
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Speaker 2: And this hit to households comes at the same time
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Speaker 2: as the Australian Energy Market Operator worn today of the
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Speaker 2: exploding cost of the so called green transition. AEMO is
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Speaker 2: saying that the average cost of building the ten thousand
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Speaker 2: plus kilometers of new transit lines that we need for
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Speaker 2: the decentralized renewable's grid is up by some fifty five
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Speaker 2: percent since the last plan.
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Speaker 3: Was published just a year ago.
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Speaker 2: New substation costs, well, they're up to up some thirty
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Speaker 2: five percent. Then there's the news that gas exploration investment
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Speaker 2: in Australia is lagging behind thanks to new government restrictions
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Speaker 2: on gas markets and lawfare against gas projects, even though
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Speaker 2: gas is essential to turn renewable energy into twenty four
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Speaker 2: to seven power because of peaking needs. But let's not
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Speaker 2: forget here the ongoing resistance of local landholders too to
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Speaker 2: the desecration of prime agricultural land in our national parks.
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Speaker 2: This is via the forests of wind turbines and carpets
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Speaker 2: of solar planels. Well, naturally, the People's Republic of Victoria
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Speaker 2: is the epmy center of all this sort of madness
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Speaker 2: that's got us destroying the environment in order to so
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Speaker 2: they tell us save the planet. Massive new renewable energy
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Speaker 2: zones plan for Victoria as part of the government's plan
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Speaker 2: there to get ninety five percent of the state renewable
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Speaker 2: energy output in a decade. Fully seven percent of Victoria's
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Speaker 2: land area has been set aside for hosting an extra
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Speaker 2: five point two million solar panels and a further one
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Speaker 2: thousand plus win turbines. This is just Victoria and right
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Speaker 2: around the country. This environmental vandalism set to increase, with
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Speaker 2: the Omineasy government about to announce soon it's twenty thirty
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Speaker 2: five emissions reduction target. Experts today predicting it will be
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Speaker 2: a lot more ambitious than the twenty thirty one that's
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Speaker 2: already hurting our households as well. You know now, right
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Speaker 2: now our current target is a forty three percent emissions
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Speaker 2: reduction by twenty thirty. This new target for twenty thirty five, well,
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Speaker 2: it's rumored to be as high as some seventy percent
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Speaker 2: reduction in emissions.
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Speaker 3: Now can you afford that? Who can afford that? Who
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Speaker 3: can afford that?
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Speaker 2: In still, we all keep the lights on or their
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Speaker 2: small business solvent. Meanwhile, across the Tasman, the New Zealand
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Speaker 2: New Zealand governments effectively abandoned net zero by announcing big
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Speaker 2: plans there to.
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Speaker 3: Go after more gas.
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Speaker 2: The Kiwi Resources Minister said, and this is just last week.
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Speaker 2: The government is not prepared to sit on the sidelines
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Speaker 2: and watch our industrial and manufacturing dwindle because of energy
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Speaker 2: security concerns. New Zealand has recognized that climate change is
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Speaker 2: not an existential threat, but an economy without fuel is.
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Speaker 2: So while the rest of the world is having second
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Speaker 2: thoughts about net zero, here in Australia we're doubling down.
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Speaker 2: It's all part of our economic decline under the Albanezy government.
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Speaker 2: The government the Australians, well they've just re elected them.
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Speaker 2: But in part I suspect because so much of this
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Speaker 2: green agenda was buried pre election and what wasn't better
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Speaker 2: maried just wasn't understood or even discussed in the election campaign.
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Speaker 3: This is why a strong.
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Speaker 2: And effective opposition matters as much as it does. So please, Liberals,
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Speaker 2: get your at together, all right, let's get the headlines now.
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Speaker 2: Scott is a reporter, Jack Nihoff.
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Speaker 7: There are new warnings this evening that power bills will
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Speaker 7: rise from July. The Energy Regulator has increased the default
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Speaker 7: market offer for the year ahead. Households in New South Wales,
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Speaker 7: South Australia and Southeast Queensland will pay up to nine
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Speaker 7: point seven percent more.
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Speaker 2: I think some increased costs in the transmission system from
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Speaker 2: new projects like Human Link and Project Energy Connect, and
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Speaker 2: they are flowing through to bills in New South Wales.
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Speaker 7: And there will be more price rises in the future.
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Speaker 7: A draft report from the Australian Energy Market Operator shows
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Speaker 7: potential future transmission line projects could cost fifty five percent more.
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Speaker 7: Sky News understands that a reformed coalition will announce a
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Speaker 7: new shadow cabinet as soon as this week, and there's
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Speaker 7: competition for National Security.
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Speaker 8: OIGN Affairs, National Security, Australia's place in the world and
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Speaker 8: Arabian leader look after ourselves and defend our security in
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Speaker 8: that prosperity is always something that's been close to my heart.
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Speaker 6: Yes, I do remain very passionate about national security, but
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Speaker 6: I'll have those conversations privately with Susan and work out
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Speaker 6: where I can best fit into the team.
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Speaker 7: Liberal leader Susan Lee is expected to reward the moderates
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Speaker 7: who back to leadership. The Nationals are expected to receive
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Speaker 7: six shadow Cabinet spots. Amid questions about David Little Prowd's
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Speaker 7: future as leader. The Prime Minister is sending the ADF
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Speaker 7: to help with flood recovery on the New South Wales
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Speaker 7: Mid North coast.
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Speaker 5: From tomorrow we will have seventy Australian Defense Force personnel
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Speaker 5: on the ground in the Mid North coast.
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Speaker 7: More than four hundred homes and businesses have been deemed
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Speaker 7: uninhabitable in affected areas.
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Speaker 2: Thanks Jack right, the election account is almost done. Still
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Speaker 2: a little bit going on, of course, we haven't got
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Speaker 2: the final Senate results, but over the weekend some interesting
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Speaker 2: developments and the seats of Goldstein and Bradfield both set
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Speaker 2: to go to a recount. Let's get the latters now.
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Speaker 2: From chief election analyst Tom Connell.
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Speaker 5: The recount of the seat of Bradfield has begun. This
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Speaker 5: is this knife edge contest. When it began, the margin
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Speaker 5: was eight votes between nicolete Buller and just ahead. As
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Speaker 5: you can see Jaesel Capterian. What's the margin now at seven,
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Speaker 5: so it's come in one. This is very early on
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Speaker 5: in the recount. Every single vote will be checked, every
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Speaker 5: single vote, so this could take a couple of weeks.
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Speaker 3: That's the seat of Bradfield.
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Speaker 5: The average amount on a total recount, by the way,
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Speaker 5: is something like twenty twenty two votes change hands, so
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Speaker 5: within that margin it could flip.
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Speaker 3: You'd always rather be ahead.
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Speaker 5: We'll be closely watching this over the next couple of weeks.
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Speaker 5: There'll be a partial recount in the seat of Goldstein
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Speaker 5: because not so much the margin. If we look first
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Speaker 5: of all at this margin, as we can see right now,
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Speaker 5: Tim Wilson leeds by two hundred and sixty votes, well
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Speaker 5: above the normal threshold for a recount for the ac
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Speaker 5: of one hundred votes. What has happened though, we've sent
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Speaker 5: a lot of bouncing around. When we had the final distribution,
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Speaker 5: the full distribution of preferences, that is, when they looked
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Speaker 5: at all the votes that didn't have a one before
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Speaker 5: Tim Wilson or Zoe Daniel the rest of the votes
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Speaker 5: in this electorate, there were quite a few discrepancies, piles
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Speaker 5: of votes miss labeled. Now they've corrected that the margin
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Speaker 5: at two sixty. But what they're going to do is
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Speaker 5: have one final look, so a partial recount of those
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Speaker 5: votes with either a Tim Wilson one or a Zoe
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Speaker 5: Daniel one. Make sure they're accurate, they're formal, and they're
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Speaker 5: in the right piles. As we've said, that margin is
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Speaker 5: quite big, two hundred and sixty. It would be highly
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Speaker 5: unlucky to come back from here. The AEC wants to
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Speaker 5: make sure there's full confidence.
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Speaker 3: In the result.
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Speaker 5: We're also finding out some of the Senate results, so
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Speaker 5: we go straight away first of all to South Australia.
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Speaker 5: As you can see from this vote, well it's happened
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Speaker 5: as expected, Labor with two point sixty six quoteras there
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Speaker 5: three senators, so it's gained one already in South Australia,
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Speaker 5: the Liberal Party getting two from its one point nine
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Speaker 5: to three and the Greens from their zero point nine,
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Speaker 5: so no surprise there. Tomorrow we'll find out as well Tasmania.
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Speaker 5: We think we know how this will go. Labor likely
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Speaker 5: to get to the Liberal Party two, the Greens one,
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Speaker 5: and then Jackie Lamby won. But you can see here
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Speaker 5: point five to one Jackie Lamby up against point four
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Speaker 5: seven the leftover of Labour's vote, So it'll be a
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Speaker 5: close watch. Jackie Lamby expected to do better out of
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Speaker 5: these preferences, but nonetheless we'll find out tomorrow morning you
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Speaker 5: she'll continue as a senator.
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Speaker 2: Very interesting of course, Jackie Lamby. There is up against
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Speaker 2: Paul and Hanson's daughter Lee that's gone out to the
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Speaker 2: power bill pain that's set to hit household bit of
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Speaker 2: a mixed bag today from the Energy Regulator. This is
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Speaker 2: the default market offer. It came out in draft form
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Speaker 2: in March. Very few people covered it. I certainly did,
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Speaker 2: but now it is final. If you're in New South
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Speaker 2: Wales you're going to be hit with the highest rise.
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Speaker 2: It's close to ten percent there. Elsewhere in the country
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Speaker 2: prices will still go up, but the changes are more modest.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now to discuss this and more scanni's political
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Speaker 2: contributor Chris Yulman, and I should say bracket bit of
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Speaker 2: an energy boften he is now a ten percent there.
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Speaker 2: For New South Wales we also have and I might
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Speaker 2: add their target seventy percent emissions target by twenty thirty
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Speaker 2: five that will also play in. Andrew Klinell made the
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Speaker 2: point yesterday he's got the drum from the government that
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Speaker 2: the twenty thirty five target that was meant to be
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Speaker 2: put out in February buried for the election, is now
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Speaker 2: set to be released in September. And Chris, that's going
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Speaker 2: to make it a hell of a lot worse well.
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Speaker 9: As night follows day.
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Speaker 10: As we've seen for so long, the high you put
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Speaker 10: these targets, the higher the energy costs goes across the board.
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Speaker 10: And what we're seeing now is just a wholesale price
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Speaker 10: is going up, but then there are transmission costs. We
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Speaker 10: saw reports on that today, that transmission cost will rise,
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Speaker 10: and of course they will, because that's ten percent of
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Speaker 10: your bill. It's a regulated rate of return on transmission costs,
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Speaker 10: and we're going to need a whole lot more transmission lines.
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Speaker 10: Five thousand kilometers between now and twenty thirty, and ten
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Speaker 10: thousand dollars by ten thousand kilometers by twenty fifty. That
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Speaker 10: all goes onto your bill for twenty five to thirty years.
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Speaker 10: That's how long we're regulated rate of return states and
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Speaker 10: you bill that must go up. Distribution costs must go up.
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Speaker 10: So everywhere you look, across every aspect of your bill,
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Speaker 10: what we see with the rise of wind and solar
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Speaker 10: on any grid is the price of electricity will march
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Speaker 10: up as a wholesale cost, as a retail cost, as
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Speaker 10: a transmission cost, and as a distribution cost. The last
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Speaker 10: part is green schemes. That's ten percent of a bill.
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Speaker 10: Everything goes up.
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Speaker 2: I'll get into green schemes and the quantum that are
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Speaker 2: far and known at the moment.
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Speaker 3: But I read with.
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Speaker 2: Interest about the creation of this new so called think tank,
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Speaker 2: it's called the Superpower Group. They want green energy, they
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Speaker 2: want green iron.
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Speaker 3: This is iron. All companies and others to get subsidies.
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Speaker 2: But it's really Simon Hoomes a call Mightdad is on
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Speaker 2: the board, But this is really about not green iron,
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Speaker 2: about milking the taxpayers for billions of dollars in subsidies
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Speaker 2: to do all of this. We saw this happen, of course,
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Speaker 2: with that boondoggle of green hydrogen. Almost everyone who was
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Speaker 2: investing in that's already jumped out. Certainly the case around
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Speaker 2: the world. It's the case here in Australia too, But
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Speaker 2: I mean, how many more billions to taxpayers have to
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Speaker 2: pay here?
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Speaker 9: Well, billions and billions.
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Speaker 10: Let's just go through the sums, and I've only had
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Speaker 10: a very brief chance to look through this report, but
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Speaker 10: let's add them up. So they're talking about five hundred
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Speaker 10: million dollars in capital costs for each project, which would
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Speaker 10: be provided by the government. They're talking about an energy
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Speaker 10: substy for the fuel that they want to use, which
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Speaker 10: of course is hydrogen of two dollars per kilogram, and
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Speaker 10: they're talking about one hundred and seventy dollars in tax
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Speaker 10: credit for each ton of green skill steel. So by
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Speaker 10: my estimation, that's five hundred million dollars for each plant.
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Speaker 10: That's two hundred and eighty dollars of taxpayer input. Because
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Speaker 10: it's around about fifty five kilogram of hydrogen, you're going
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Speaker 10: to need to subsidize, So two hundred and eighty dollars
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Speaker 10: Australian for every ton, every metric ton of green scale
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Speaker 10: steel produced.
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Speaker 9: This stuff is preposterous.
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Speaker 11: And by the way, to underline how preposterous it is,
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Speaker 11: it says that it needs to be connected to the
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Speaker 11: grid because when there's a lull in wind or sunshine,
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Speaker 11: it will need a backup. Well, guess what the grid
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Speaker 11: going to be running on. It's going to be running
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Speaker 11: on wind and sunshine. So none of this acts up.
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Speaker 2: No, And of course we all went down the path
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Speaker 2: of green hydrogen. We al said it wouldn't work, but
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Speaker 2: the billions were thrown and it's proven that it doesn't work.
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Speaker 2: So now we're going down the path of green iron
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Speaker 2: when that's proven not to work. That with some other
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Speaker 2: boondog were thrown out there. And all the while, Chris,
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Speaker 2: we've got gas, which we know is lower in emissions
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Speaker 2: than COLB, and asked all like col but gas is
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Speaker 2: lower in emissions. It's the terrific transition fuel that the
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Speaker 2: rest of the world's into but we're not into here
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Speaker 2: despite having all these reserves in the ground. And other
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Speaker 2: report today this energy producers say that around the world
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Speaker 2: they're putting money into gas at double the rate of
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Speaker 2: investment then we're seeing here in Australia.
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Speaker 3: How does that make sense?
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Speaker 9: It doesn't.
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Speaker 10: And of course that report also says that ninety five
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Speaker 10: percent of the business leaders are involved in this industry
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Speaker 10: now believe that it's harder to do business in this
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Speaker 10: particular area than it was five years ago. That's an
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Speaker 10: indictment of Australia. The other thing that's happening is because
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Speaker 10: of government interference in these marketplaces. What we are seeing
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Speaker 10: is that the people who've got the long off take contracts,
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Speaker 10: and that's countries like Japan and South Korea and now
19:38
Speaker 10: nervous about sovereign risk in Australia and they are looking
19:41
Speaker 10: elsewhere and guess what they can get their gas from elsewhere.
19:45
Speaker 10: So the long run effect of this is that we
19:48
Speaker 10: may well lose that export income that we get from
19:51
Speaker 10: liquified natural gas, which is the third biggest source of
19:54
Speaker 10: export income that we have. And of course people want
19:57
Speaker 10: to get rid of our coal exports, which is the
19:59
Speaker 10: second bigger source of income that we have, and there's
20:01
Speaker 10: a circle drawing around iron ores at the moment as well,
20:05
Speaker 10: which is the first biggest source of export income we have.
20:09
Speaker 10: We're not going to be a green energy superpower. We
20:11
Speaker 10: are an energy superpower. We are going to be no
20:13
Speaker 10: kind of power at all in the future.
20:17
Speaker 3: And of course the rest of the world waking up
20:19
Speaker 3: to this.
20:19
Speaker 2: You know, New Zealand Thursday and Friday made an announcement
20:23
Speaker 2: that they've since followed up. They're very determined to junk
20:27
Speaker 2: net zero. They're going heavily into gas exploration, gas mining.
20:32
Speaker 2: Here in Australia, we're shutting up shop. We've got lawfare
20:35
Speaker 2: shutting down gas projects, not opening up those projects. I
20:39
Speaker 2: can't see how the coalition, you know, it won't happen
20:43
Speaker 2: right now.
20:43
Speaker 3: Right now they're fighting about nuclear.
20:45
Speaker 2: But when these twenty thirty five targets come out, and
20:47
Speaker 2: they're due in septembersus Andrew Clannel and they will include
20:51
Speaker 2: for the first time really heavy cuts into agriculture. I
20:55
Speaker 2: can't see how the Coalition is going to avoid a
20:58
Speaker 2: debate about whether or not, as you throw away the
21:00
Speaker 2: Scott Morrison pledge on net zero, I mean, this is
21:04
Speaker 2: the looming fight of twenty twenty five.
21:07
Speaker 10: But it's as simple as this, Peter, and you pointed
21:09
Speaker 10: out across the Tasman and I know that we've been
21:11
Speaker 10: through these figures before, but let's go through them again.
21:14
Speaker 10: We know the United States is not doing net zero
21:17
Speaker 10: because Donald Trumps pulled out of the paras a cord
21:19
Speaker 10: and his catchcrize drill, baby drill, So no net zero there.
21:24
Speaker 10: China has never been signed up to net zero. It
21:26
Speaker 10: burns fifty eight percent of the world's coal. Russia treats
21:29
Speaker 10: these targets as a joke. India does not abide by
21:33
Speaker 10: the targets that have been set and has no intention
21:35
Speaker 10: of read reaching net zero. So that's sixty percent of
21:38
Speaker 10: the world's the missions. What does Australia think it's doing.
21:41
Speaker 10: It's one of the few countries on Earth that is
21:44
Speaker 10: actually signed up to this target. And even now people
21:48
Speaker 10: who are pushing for big change when it comes to
21:51
Speaker 10: trying to do something about climate, like the Tony Blairs
21:53
Speaker 10: Institute for Global Affairs and like the guy that used
21:56
Speaker 10: to advise John Kerry, are saying that none of these
21:58
Speaker 10: targets are actually achievable. And we have to think about
22:02
Speaker 10: doing something else. This shouldn't be a hard argument to make.
22:05
Speaker 10: I don't know why the Liberal Party has made such
22:08
Speaker 10: a meal of it.
22:12
Speaker 2: I don't know either. And of course you've got Donald Trump.
22:15
Speaker 2: You mentioned him just a moment ago. We mentioned Donald
22:17
Speaker 2: Trump and the executive orders he signed. This is about
22:19
Speaker 2: accelerating nuclear They include an overhaul of the nuclear regulator
22:25
Speaker 2: in the United States. They want to fast track new
22:28
Speaker 2: nuclear licenses. They want to boost domestic fuel supplies. Dear
22:32
Speaker 2: old Jim Molan argue for that for many years here
22:35
Speaker 2: in Australia, and they want the ability to use federal
22:38
Speaker 2: land to put reactors on that land to benefit both
22:42
Speaker 2: the military or and this is really important large data
22:46
Speaker 2: centers for AI. I mean, you can say what you
22:49
Speaker 2: like about Donald Trump, but they are all very practical
22:52
Speaker 2: initiatives that the States and the rest of the world,
22:55
Speaker 2: I have to say, are adopting in some more small measure.
22:58
Speaker 2: But here in Australia have a prohibition despite the fact
23:02
Speaker 2: that it's our uranium, it's been dug up and shipped
23:05
Speaker 2: around the world.
23:07
Speaker 10: And despite the fact that we want nuclear submarines, so
23:09
Speaker 10: we clearly have no problem with having our sailors locked
23:11
Speaker 10: up next to large nuclear reactors for months at a time. Peter,
23:15
Speaker 10: Look again, look around the world. That's bipartisan. By the way,
23:18
Speaker 10: in the United States on nuclear energy. I was there
23:21
Speaker 10: at last year and the Democrat Energy Secretary was talking
23:24
Speaker 10: about meeting one hundred and ninety eight more nuclear reactors
23:28
Speaker 10: in the United States by twenty fifty.
23:30
Speaker 9: China is building one hundred and fifty of them.
23:33
Speaker 10: Microsoft has restarted the three Mile Island react as that
23:37
Speaker 10: because it wants to build a huge data center. You know,
23:40
Speaker 10: the only way I can think about this is we
23:41
Speaker 10: are blessed here in Australia, Peter, because Chris Bowen and
23:45
Speaker 10: the rest of the energy ministers in Australia are way
23:47
Speaker 10: smarter than Microsoft and Google and the Chinese government and
23:53
Speaker 10: the United States administration.
23:54
Speaker 9: And the UK and France.
23:57
Speaker 10: So we are blessed by the fact that we have
23:59
Speaker 10: people who are so much smarter than the rest of
24:01
Speaker 10: the world, and we should be grateful for it.
24:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, so blessed as we are with the brilliance of
24:07
Speaker 2: Chris bar and we're still dealing with fifty thousand people
24:10
Speaker 2: that came in illegal under his watch that are still
24:14
Speaker 2: here in Australia. That's how smart the bloke is. I'll
24:17
Speaker 2: over there, Chris. Let's go down to some spurious claims
24:20
Speaker 2: from the AVC journalist too at the weekend, accused to
24:23
Speaker 2: National Party MPs of abandoned their electorates at the height
24:27
Speaker 2: of the flooding emergency, which is seen very sadly the
24:30
Speaker 2: drowning deaths of several residents on the New South Wales
24:33
Speaker 2: Mid North Coast.
24:35
Speaker 3: How have I listened to this?
24:37
Speaker 12: I think the other thing that's probably really important to
24:39
Speaker 12: regional communities is that they have a local member who's
24:42
Speaker 12: there when their electorate is, for example, flooding. So I
24:46
Speaker 12: went through this earlier today. I went and checked. So
24:49
Speaker 12: on Wednesday afternoon there was a sixty three year old
24:51
Speaker 12: man in Moto that's near Tyree, that's in Allison Penfold's
24:54
Speaker 12: seat the National He died. On Thursday morning. The body
24:57
Speaker 12: was recovered of a thirty year old Amanu thirties in
25:00
Speaker 12: that's in her seat as well. On Thursday afternoon, that's
25:03
Speaker 12: when we had the press conference from the Nationals in
25:05
Speaker 12: the Hall. Just to go over that timeline, a sixty
25:07
Speaker 12: year old woman died in her car near Coffs harbor
25:10
Speaker 12: in this flood that's in pact Conahan's seat of Kauper.
25:13
Speaker 12: I think the important thing is that when you're in opposition,
25:15
Speaker 12: it's also still your job to be a local member
25:17
Speaker 12: and represent your communities, to be there for them.
25:21
Speaker 3: You are kidding me.
25:23
Speaker 2: The ABC has since been forced, of course, apologize for that,
25:26
Speaker 2: rightly so, because it turns out that both of these
25:29
Speaker 2: MPs were hard at work in their flood impacted communities,
25:33
Speaker 2: trying to support small business and families who were bearing
25:36
Speaker 2: the brunt of the disaster. And I'm very pleased to
25:39
Speaker 2: say that one of those MP's Nationals Member elect for
25:42
Speaker 2: the seat of Line, Alison Penfold, joins me. Now we'll
25:45
Speaker 2: tell you what, Ali, you've been around politics for some time,
25:48
Speaker 2: you're now an elected MP or member elect for the
25:51
Speaker 2: seat of Line. It's pretty grim when the ABC or
25:55
Speaker 2: anyone's playing politics with a flood, and of course in
25:58
Speaker 2: your case of residents.
26:01
Speaker 9: Yeah.
26:02
Speaker 13: Look, I can't tell you how hurtful the comment was.
26:04
Speaker 13: I was actually had been in Wingham that morning talking
26:10
Speaker 13: to businesses that have been flood affected, and I had
26:13
Speaker 13: intended to continue on to some houses. I got a
26:16
Speaker 13: phone call to hear that you know this journalist. I've
26:20
Speaker 13: never met her. In fact, I've never heard of her
26:22
Speaker 13: until yesterday, had not even bothered to call me before
26:27
Speaker 13: making these sorts of comments, while you know, I've been
26:30
Speaker 13: hard at work and as his pat in the electorate,
26:34
Speaker 13: we live here, we know people affected. And you know
26:38
Speaker 13: what was particularly painful for me is that i'd actually
26:42
Speaker 13: I had been into a community called Coopernook, which is
26:46
Speaker 13: north of tari It was in fact as fast as
26:48
Speaker 13: fast south as I could get when the flood was hitting.
26:51
Speaker 13: The highway was cut off, and I had gone in
26:54
Speaker 13: the morning after the gentleman had passed away. I'd been
26:58
Speaker 13: asked to bring down some milk and bread, and I'd
27:01
Speaker 13: been told about this incident, and I wanted to go
27:04
Speaker 13: and see the daughter of the gentleman who passed away,
27:07
Speaker 13: but the community said, look, she's so rawed, you can't go.
27:11
Speaker 13: So look, I felt the pain of the families that
27:14
Speaker 13: have been affected by this flood, and to be somehow
27:17
Speaker 13: then shamed my reputation, tarnished for doing something that I
27:24
Speaker 13: hadn't done that I've been doing exactly the opposite, being
27:27
Speaker 13: there in my community, and also in a context where
27:31
Speaker 13: whilst the public think that I'm elected. I haven't been declared.
27:34
Speaker 9: I have no resources.
27:35
Speaker 13: I'm, as you said, a member elects, So look, I please.
27:40
Speaker 13: The ABC took steps to apologize. I know it's from
27:43
Speaker 13: the ABC and not the journalist in question, but it's
27:46
Speaker 13: an apology all the less, and I just want to
27:48
Speaker 13: get on with the job and be out there supporting
27:50
Speaker 13: people who need me.
27:53
Speaker 3: All roll.
27:54
Speaker 2: I want to know, then, how is your community coping
27:57
Speaker 2: and what does your region need? Because I mean, the
28:00
Speaker 2: government turns up so the PM and others are there, fine,
28:03
Speaker 2: but they're sort of scratching around putting some piecemeal office
28:06
Speaker 2: on the table. Some are saying it's grants, others saying
28:09
Speaker 2: loans are being contended. What do you actually want and need?
28:14
Speaker 13: Well, right now we're in a cleanup phase and I've
28:17
Speaker 13: been saying for a few days we need boots, not suits.
28:21
Speaker 13: We need boots on the ground, and we need heavy machinery.
28:26
Speaker 13: Yesterday I was out at a dairy property just outside
28:29
Speaker 13: of Taree and the debris that's been pushed through from
28:33
Speaker 13: the force of the water was up to the level
28:36
Speaker 13: of the roof of a house. It had destroyed sheds
28:40
Speaker 13: and also mud and sludge meters deep across paddocks and
28:46
Speaker 13: rock strewn across paddocks. Today I was in another community
28:49
Speaker 13: called Croki, which is right on the Manning River, and
28:54
Speaker 13: that is just my boots sunk into mud tow ankle depths.
29:00
Speaker 13: They need the sort of equipment that can move lots
29:03
Speaker 13: of big logs and trees can move that sort of
29:07
Speaker 13: mud to somewhere. I don't know where, but it has
29:10
Speaker 13: to be moved so people can get on with their lives.
29:13
Speaker 13: I was with one lady today. She's got nowhere to
29:17
Speaker 13: try and salvage her goods because there's just nowhere on
29:21
Speaker 13: the ground to put it.
29:22
Speaker 9: It's just munth.
29:23
Speaker 13: So look, in terms of cleanup, I know that there's
29:26
Speaker 13: been seventy eightyf personnel and one hundred Disaster Relief Australia personnel,
29:32
Speaker 13: and please there is a response. Is that the right response?
29:36
Speaker 13: We are some four or five days before they'll get
29:39
Speaker 13: here into the cleanup, so it needs to be the
29:42
Speaker 13: right response now with where the local community is at
29:46
Speaker 13: with the work they've been doing. Look, and then in
29:48
Speaker 13: terms of the recovery, it is early days. There is
29:52
Speaker 13: assistance available through the New South Wales Government. The Reconstruction
29:56
Speaker 13: Authority and of course through the federal government income. So
30:00
Speaker 13: but you know, I'm out talking to farmers, oyster farmers, today, businesses.
30:06
Speaker 13: We have a long way to go, and this government
30:09
Speaker 13: better dig deep because this community had a major flood
30:12
Speaker 13: only just stand of five years ago. A lot of
30:15
Speaker 13: people still haven't recovered. There's a lot of pain and
30:18
Speaker 13: a lot of need here and we need the government
30:20
Speaker 13: to step up. Governments to step up and really help
30:23
Speaker 13: these communities.
30:26
Speaker 2: Well, I know you're going to take the fight to
30:28
Speaker 2: them when you get down to camera. Thank you for
30:29
Speaker 2: joining me Ali grow Tavy on the show. I also
30:32
Speaker 2: talking about Ali Penthod too. I've known since she worked
30:34
Speaker 2: for the Cattleman's Association up in Darwin, and my god,
30:38
Speaker 2: she is a hard worker.
30:39
Speaker 3: She gets out in the community.
30:41
Speaker 2: She's respected, particularly in that case by farmers and exporters,
30:45
Speaker 2: and she is in her home area now in the
30:47
Speaker 2: seat of line. She will be a force to be
30:49
Speaker 2: reckoned with. I think that journal picked the wrong person
30:52
Speaker 2: all right. After the break, they might not be coming
30:54
Speaker 2: by boat, but labor certainly has lost control of the
30:56
Speaker 2: borders yet again.
30:58
Speaker 3: Those numbers today.
30:59
Speaker 2: One one hundred thousand people with no legal right to
31:03
Speaker 2: stay in Australia, but here they are. Plus a World
31:06
Speaker 2: Health organization, that pandemic treaty. It's back and Elbow is
31:11
Speaker 2: signing you up to it.
31:17
Speaker 3: Welcome back.
31:17
Speaker 2: Still to Cami was shocked by the staggering amount of
31:19
Speaker 2: our renewable sector that's foreign owned, and how you're being
31:23
Speaker 2: forced to pay the bill. The first news today that
31:26
Speaker 2: almost one hundred thousand would be asylum seekers have made
31:29
Speaker 2: their applications to stay in Australia but have been rejected
31:33
Speaker 2: are yet to be deported. Mid mornings, Australia could face
31:35
Speaker 2: its own US style undocumented migration crisis. The figure includes
31:41
Speaker 2: over forty three thousand people who are challenging their rejections
31:45
Speaker 2: and are in a subsequent legal holding pattern. Jotman out
31:49
Speaker 2: to discuss this and also that pandemic treaty. Liberal Senative
31:53
Speaker 2: South Australia Alexanderik.
31:56
Speaker 3: Well, we're on.
31:56
Speaker 2: The verge, they say, alex of a migration crisis, but
32:01
Speaker 2: of our own making, and it's not by both this time.
32:04
Speaker 2: People are coming here legally, legitimately with visas, they're trying
32:09
Speaker 2: out the protection route. They're being rejected, but we're not
32:12
Speaker 2: able to send them home.
32:17
Speaker 6: No, Peter, and that is you know, that is the
32:20
Speaker 6: reality of the situation. I mean, I think it's fortunate
32:23
Speaker 6: that we don't have the estimated twelve to fifteen million
32:26
Speaker 6: arrivals that you know, the United States had across the
32:29
Speaker 6: southern border, and the Trump administration is now trying to
32:31
Speaker 6: pick out but this is its own problem. We're a
32:32
Speaker 6: smaller country with finite resources, and these people ultimately now
32:38
Speaker 6: go through a process many a claiming asylum, many have
32:40
Speaker 6: been rejected from those claims, but have a process to
32:44
Speaker 6: go through the Aart, the Administrative Review Tribunal, and also
32:48
Speaker 6: potentially the federal court, and of course that can take years.
32:51
Speaker 6: Sometimes many of these cases do go back a very
32:53
Speaker 6: very long period of time. But this is part of
32:55
Speaker 6: a broader problem that this government has with the migration
32:59
Speaker 6: issue and the asylum seeker issue generally. What do they
33:02
Speaker 6: do about it? Well, there's lots of things they could
33:04
Speaker 6: do about it. I'm just not sure that this government
33:06
Speaker 6: really knows what to do about it, or wants to
33:09
Speaker 6: do anything about it because of what it says to
33:11
Speaker 6: their base of voters. And you know, there is a
33:15
Speaker 6: number of ways that these processes could be sped up
33:18
Speaker 6: a number of tweaks that could be made to the
33:20
Speaker 6: asylum seeker rules and legislation, but we're hearing nothing other
33:24
Speaker 6: than white noise at the moment out of this government.
33:27
Speaker 6: This is a real problem brewing.
33:31
Speaker 2: I'll make the point too, unlike the floods of migrants
33:35
Speaker 2: across the southern border of the United States, we're giving
33:37
Speaker 2: people legal support, we give them housing, we give them welfare,
33:41
Speaker 2: we give them access to medicare any wonder one hundred
33:44
Speaker 2: thousand don't want to go high.
33:46
Speaker 3: But I'll also make the point I was.
33:47
Speaker 2: Critical of your side of politics at the top of
33:49
Speaker 2: the show, though, Alex, because you know there was a
33:51
Speaker 2: little bit of noise last year about the high migration numbers.
33:55
Speaker 2: There was not much about Big Australia in the election
33:57
Speaker 2: campaign and this was not paigned on either. I mean,
34:01
Speaker 2: if you guys aren't out there making the case that
34:05
Speaker 2: we should bring in a law, you know, you get
34:06
Speaker 2: one review of the decision.
34:08
Speaker 3: That's it. If not, you're out.
34:10
Speaker 2: Or my view too that we should not be giving
34:12
Speaker 2: anyone of visa to come from a country that if
34:15
Speaker 2: we had to send them back, like Iran, that would
34:19
Speaker 2: refuse to take them back. If you're not out there
34:22
Speaker 2: making the case with these big tough changes to the
34:25
Speaker 2: way we do business that one hundred thousand will be
34:28
Speaker 2: two hundred thousand by this time next year and continue
34:31
Speaker 2: to grow. Yeah.
34:34
Speaker 6: Look, I mean I think that's right. This is a
34:36
Speaker 6: massive issue. We saw that on the ground in the
34:39
Speaker 6: election campaign. Just the issue of overall migration. I think
34:41
Speaker 6: there were one point four one point five million people
34:44
Speaker 6: that were lead in it in lasts three years and
34:46
Speaker 6: we assume that it's going to be a similar sort
34:48
Speaker 6: of number this time round. But this is the sort
34:50
Speaker 6: of stuff that also frustrates Australians. Remember, you're absolutely right,
34:53
Speaker 6: we're living through a housing crisis. There are young people
34:56
Speaker 6: under forty that are effectively priced out of the housing market.
35:00
Speaker 6: This is a country in decline. Frankly, Peter, I think
35:03
Speaker 6: on a range of levels, yes, there are which are
35:05
Speaker 6: not being addressed. This is the Liberal Party's job and
35:08
Speaker 6: I totally agree with you. We need to come up
35:10
Speaker 6: with a strong, strong answer.
35:14
Speaker 3: Yeah.
35:14
Speaker 2: There was a cracking piece by Greg Sheridan. Pretty much
35:16
Speaker 2: of that vein over the weekend in Australia, and I
35:19
Speaker 2: think sadly pretty much everything here outlined as hard as
35:22
Speaker 2: it was to read was spot on talk to me
35:25
Speaker 2: about this for a better word treaty with the World
35:29
Speaker 2: Health Organization on pandemics. I thought we weren't going to
35:33
Speaker 2: sign anything like this. And my gripe is that we
35:37
Speaker 2: must continue to have Australian sovereignty, absolutely, but we can't
35:40
Speaker 2: even have it. Haven't had a proper inquiry into how
35:43
Speaker 2: we handle it in Australia and the fact that if
35:46
Speaker 2: you're a Victorian, you were locked down six times, you
35:49
Speaker 2: had rubber bullets shot at Victorians by their own police force.
35:53
Speaker 2: We haven't accounted for any of that. We're going to
35:56
Speaker 2: sign onto something run by the UN. What the heck's
36:01
Speaker 2: going on?
36:04
Speaker 6: Yeah, well it's a very good point and one well
36:06
Speaker 6: made Peter, And look, that is the starting point. We
36:08
Speaker 6: still have not had the Royal commission that many of
36:10
Speaker 6: us have been calling for. We haven't really even had
36:12
Speaker 6: any inquiry.
36:13
Speaker 3: Really.
36:13
Speaker 6: There was a couple of you know, kind of semi
36:15
Speaker 6: attempts in the Senate which didn't really go anywhere. But
36:18
Speaker 6: this is a massive issue. This is the World Health Organization,
36:22
Speaker 6: the World Health Organization that got almost everything about COVID wrong.
36:26
Speaker 6: By the way masks travel bands, you name it. They
36:30
Speaker 6: got it wrong. And now the World Community, the World
36:32
Speaker 6: Health Assembly of which Australia is a member nation, is
36:36
Speaker 6: signing up to an agreement which will lead the way
36:38
Speaker 6: for treaty obligations. Now out of this government we hear
36:41
Speaker 6: the usual gaff about guff about, well, this doesn't do
36:44
Speaker 6: anything to Australia. We are still in control of our
36:47
Speaker 6: own you know, of our own destiny, which up until
36:50
Speaker 6: the point that the coming sign well correct, why I
36:54
Speaker 6: sign it in the first place. And of course then
36:56
Speaker 6: that the process will simply be rubber stamp through the
36:58
Speaker 6: Australian Parliament. That is just the normal way when we
37:00
Speaker 6: sign up to obligations, and then Australia will start making
37:03
Speaker 6: domestic laws, as we saw with the Biosecurity Act and
37:06
Speaker 6: the International Health Regulations during COVID which stopped Australians from
37:09
Speaker 6: traveling unless they were injected. This is a I mean,
37:13
Speaker 6: my view is we need to get out of the
37:15
Speaker 6: World Health Organization full stop. That's what the Trump administration
37:17
Speaker 6: have done. And they've done it because the Trump administration
37:20
Speaker 6: is putting America first. This needs to be an Australia
37:22
Speaker 6: first agenda. If you went back into a different era,
37:25
Speaker 6: and you said, I've got a deal for you. We're
37:27
Speaker 6: going to let unelected bureaucrats in a foreign country tell
37:30
Speaker 6: you how to run your pandemic when a pandemic occurs.
37:32
Speaker 6: That's what it will do. They'll be able to declare
37:34
Speaker 6: a pandemic. And what you do as your own sovereign
37:37
Speaker 6: nation at the time it happens, you would run from
37:40
Speaker 6: it from a mile. Why is this government going anywhere
37:43
Speaker 6: near this? We need to walk away from the World
37:45
Speaker 6: Health Organization.
37:48
Speaker 2: Well, we're going to rely on you, alexanderk in the
37:50
Speaker 2: Parliament to pursue this and to keep us abreast of
37:53
Speaker 2: what the government's doing.
37:54
Speaker 3: And you're absolutely right.
37:55
Speaker 2: They sign an agreement, the agreement quickly becomes a treaty.
37:58
Speaker 2: It's not like a requ ratification like in other countries,
38:01
Speaker 2: particularly the United States, that treaty quickly becomes law. And
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Speaker 2: the poor old punter who's just gone through an election
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Speaker 2: where this was not even mentioned, alexantik as every right
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Speaker 2: to be cranky that this is about pulling them all
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Speaker 2: over their eyes. All right, thank you, stay across it.
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Speaker 2: As I said, we will do that here too. On sky,
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Speaker 2: I'd like to break the shocking Mount Australians are being
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Speaker 2: charged to prop up foreign owned solar farms. Plus the
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Speaker 2: new coalition front fence announcements later this week, Who's in,
38:30
Speaker 2: Who's out? Welcome back stilt carm Why Victorian Premier just
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Speaker 2: into Allen's so called hardline A knife crime today is
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Speaker 2: nothing more than as sham. The first new research from
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Speaker 2: the Institute of Public Affairs is revealed astray and consumers
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Speaker 2: being slugged hundreds of millions of dollars to prop up
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Speaker 2: foreign owned solar farms through hidden charges on their power bills.
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Speaker 2: Under the Large Scale Renewable Energy Target, consumers have paid
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Speaker 2: some six hundred and fifty nine million dollars to the
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Speaker 2: fifty largest solar farms in the nation, seventy two percent
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Speaker 2: of which are raither entirely or partially foreign owned. Joining
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Speaker 2: me now to discuss this research, fellow at the Institute
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Speaker 2: of Public Affairs, me and Schlitt, Well, the last time we.
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Speaker 3: Talked, we talked about wind farms.
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Speaker 2: And you said to me, it's about seventy percent or
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Speaker 2: so of these big wind farms that are foreign owned
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Speaker 2: and are hoovering up all of these subsidies. Well, it's
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Speaker 2: just as bad when we get to solar farms.
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Speaker 8: That's exactly right, Peter. Last time we were here, I
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Speaker 8: told you that Australians were being forced to pay over
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Speaker 8: a billion dollars on hidden charges on their electricity bills
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Speaker 8: to prop up unreliable wind farms. Now what the IPA
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Speaker 8: has done is we've actually had a look at solar
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Speaker 8: farms and we've found the problem is just as worse.
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Speaker 8: So in twenty twenty four alone, Australian electricity consumers were
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Speaker 8: forced to pay six hundred and fifty nine million dollars
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Speaker 8: to solar farms through hidden charges on their electricity bills.
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Speaker 8: And as you've just mentioned, seventy two percent of those
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Speaker 8: are foreign owned. So while Australians are hurting electricity bills
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Speaker 8: are through the roof, they're being forced to pay subsidies
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Speaker 8: to companies that aren't even based here in Australia.
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Speaker 2: And of course they may profit their profit stays on
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Speaker 2: the stock market of you know, Stockholm or some other
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Speaker 2: foreign company country. What's interesting, and this is this is
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Speaker 2: deliberate design by government, or call them out on this.
40:32
Speaker 2: The l RIT scheme, large Scale Neurble Energy Target Scheme,
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Speaker 2: it's all designed to be incredibly complex, so that most
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Speaker 2: ordinary voters can't make heads or tail of it. And
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Speaker 2: only when you do the work you've done, and Chris
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Speaker 2: Yellman's done some work like this and start to pull apart,
40:49
Speaker 2: you realize you've got three quarters of a billion dollars
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Speaker 2: of our money last year going offshore.
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Speaker 3: Basically, yep, that's exactly right. It's incredibly confusing.
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Speaker 8: Basically, how it works is the federal government requires electricity
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Speaker 8: retailers to purchase a certain amount of power from renewable
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Speaker 8: energy power stations each year in order to meet their
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Speaker 8: net zero emissions target. But what this does is it
41:14
Speaker 8: artificially inflates demand for renewable power and it increases costs
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Speaker 8: for electricity retailers, and they're not the ones who want
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Speaker 8: to wear this, so ultimately that gets passed on to
41:25
Speaker 8: elect to Australias paying their power bills. Now, we're consistently
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Speaker 8: told this lie that renewables are the cheapest form of power.
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Speaker 8: But that is a lie because when you look into
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Speaker 8: this research, what you find is these industries can't stand
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Speaker 8: up on their own two feet. It's Australians who are
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Speaker 8: paying subsidies.
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Speaker 3: To prop them up.
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Speaker 2: And of course you see today that it's a distribution
41:46
Speaker 2: networks that are around it. In, it's transmission lines that
41:49
Speaker 2: are around it. In, it's the generalized wholesale cost of
41:52
Speaker 2: power that's added in and the city wonder that people
41:55
Speaker 2: are literally going to the wall over their power costs.
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Speaker 8: That's exactly right. We saw today that the cost of
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Speaker 8: transmission lines has actually set to balloon by up to
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Speaker 8: fifty five percent. Now at the IPA, we asked Australians.
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Speaker 8: We said, what is the most important part of energy
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Speaker 8: policy for you? And seventy nine percent of those came
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Speaker 8: back to us and said that they thought affordability and
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Speaker 8: reliability was the most important part of energy policy. And
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Speaker 8: that's just not what's happening under renewable energy. These power stations,
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Speaker 8: they're not reliable, they're not affordable, and it's Australians who
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Speaker 8: are propping them up through hidden charges on their electricity bills.
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Speaker 2: Keep it up me or you're exposing it that don't
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Speaker 2: want us to know, but you're making sure we do.
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Speaker 3: Thank you. Thanks Peter, isn't she fantastic?
42:39
Speaker 2: Or after the break the mounting speculation about Susan Lee's
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Speaker 2: shadow cabinet, it's coming this week and that Victorian ban
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Speaker 2: on machetes. As I say, it is a sham. I'll
42:48
Speaker 2: explain why.
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Speaker 3: Welcome.
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Speaker 2: Let's get straight into it with my Monday Panel, Deputy
42:57
Speaker 2: Executive Director at the IPA, Daniel Wilde Hanson's Cheaper Stuff
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Speaker 2: James Ashby. Well, the big news this week after a
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Speaker 2: bit of a full start last week with the coalition
43:07
Speaker 2: back on track, though, Susan Lee will announce her shadow
43:10
Speaker 2: cabinet at the end of the week. We're told could
43:12
Speaker 2: be Wednesday or Thursday. Interestingly, the NATS have picked up
43:16
Speaker 2: six shadow cabint positions, two in the Outer Ministry, so
43:19
Speaker 2: that means they've had an increase of one in this process.
43:23
Speaker 2: On the screen now you'll see a whole lot of
43:25
Speaker 2: names being floated around, some to be reshuffled, some to
43:28
Speaker 2: be brought into the shadow cabin I don't think there's
43:31
Speaker 2: many surprises there. There's a whole people, a lot of
43:33
Speaker 2: people left in the coalition anyway. But Dan wild I'll
43:37
Speaker 2: tell you why, figure this one out for me. So
43:40
Speaker 2: the Nats played brigmanship with Susan Lee.
43:43
Speaker 3: She blinked.
43:44
Speaker 2: They've had their shadow ministry numbers increased.
43:47
Speaker 3: They've got all four of.
43:48
Speaker 2: Their key policy demands, including nuclear power agreed by the Liberals.
43:54
Speaker 2: But if you read some of the media over the weekend,
43:57
Speaker 2: it's little Proud's leadership. They say that's in trouble. Explain
44:01
Speaker 2: that one to me. He's had all the wins.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's right, Peter.
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Speaker 1: I think what this episode shows is that your leadership
44:09
Speaker 1: can be strengthened if you allow debate to take place.
44:12
Speaker 1: And I think Matt Canavan showed a lot of leadership
44:15
Speaker 1: himself and self sacrifice in putting his hand up to
44:18
Speaker 1: contest the leadership of the Nationals and that spruit you know,
44:22
Speaker 1: the debate about net zero and the subsequent issues that
44:25
Speaker 1: fell from that. But look, I was always in this
44:27
Speaker 1: camp of those who was pretty relaxed about the split.
44:30
Speaker 1: I don't think the coalition needs to put the cart
44:32
Speaker 1: before the horse. There's a lot of talk about the
44:35
Speaker 1: need to have a strong and united coalition. That's true,
44:39
Speaker 1: but you need to be strong and united behind something
44:42
Speaker 1: that matters for the Australian people. So you know, the
44:45
Speaker 1: first thing is to make sure you've got your values
44:46
Speaker 1: and your policies in order before you know, having a
44:50
Speaker 1: deal that made paper over some of the cracks.
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Speaker 3: So I think more debate is better than less.
44:56
Speaker 1: I think Australians have benefited from what was a very
44:59
Speaker 1: short split between the Nationals and the Liberals, and I
45:02
Speaker 1: hope there's much more debate over the coming not just
45:04
Speaker 1: the coming months, but really all the way up until
45:06
Speaker 1: the next election.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I think they shouldn't be scared about the debate. I
45:11
Speaker 2: think net zero is one of those things. I think
45:13
Speaker 2: immigration we've already talked about that tonight. I think they
45:17
Speaker 2: have to have a big debate about debt. I think
45:20
Speaker 2: all of this stuff should be on the table, and
45:21
Speaker 2: I think things like what we teach our children in
45:25
Speaker 2: schools is also real. Let's talk about this push today
45:30
Speaker 2: from employers to stall the so called gender pay rises.
45:34
Speaker 3: These are the rises ordered by.
45:35
Speaker 2: Fairwork Australia in relation to female dominated sectors. Now, real
45:41
Speaker 2: concerns here from bosses James that they can't afford these
45:44
Speaker 2: pay increases.
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Speaker 3: At the time.
45:47
Speaker 2: But let's pull apart this whole myth of the gender
45:49
Speaker 2: pay gap, because it's been law since the nineteen sixties
45:54
Speaker 2: that if a woman does this job, she has to
45:57
Speaker 2: be paid the same amount as the that does this job.
46:02
Speaker 2: So in that respect, for the same job. There is
46:06
Speaker 2: no paid deferential based on gender.
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Speaker 3: So what's it all about.
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Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad you've pointed that Outpeter, because the reality
46:15
Speaker 4: is if there was a gender gap or a gender
46:19
Speaker 4: differential differential there, the issue would be no blocks to
46:23
Speaker 4: have jobs because all those employers would only hire cheaper
46:26
Speaker 4: wages of women. I don't like the way the metrics
46:28
Speaker 4: have worked out here. I think it's a real false
46:30
Speaker 4: narrative that's been painted. Sure, women will often choose to
46:35
Speaker 4: work less because of their caring responsibilities in the home.
46:39
Speaker 4: Some women just don't work because they'd rather stay at
46:42
Speaker 4: home and look after the kids. That's why one nation
46:44
Speaker 4: really drive home that messaging of trying to bring in
46:47
Speaker 4: income splitting at the federal election. But the reality of
46:51
Speaker 4: this is that some of those workers who they are
46:53
Speaker 4: advocating for I strongly believe they are underpaid healthcare workers
46:58
Speaker 4: in particular, Yes, they are when they're being paid the
47:00
Speaker 4: same amount of money as stop go traffic workers. I
47:03
Speaker 4: do have a problem with that. But the issue that
47:06
Speaker 4: we've got here is if we go giving increases to
47:08
Speaker 4: healthcare workers, which the industry has probably got around a
47:11
Speaker 4: million here in Australia. And then we give another three
47:14
Speaker 4: hundred thousand childcare workers a pay increase as well. Someone's
47:18
Speaker 4: got to pay for that. And when we're staring down
47:20
Speaker 4: the barrel of ten years worth of deficits and a
47:23
Speaker 4: trillion dollars worth of debt, something's got to give. Either
47:26
Speaker 4: we take from the NDIS, or we take from education,
47:30
Speaker 4: or we put taxes up. And that's precisely what this
47:32
Speaker 4: government had been driven to do following the election. They're
47:36
Speaker 4: already talking about paying more taxes on unrealized gains to
47:41
Speaker 4: be able to afford those promises that they put into
47:44
Speaker 4: play before the election. These are the issues that we face.
47:46
Speaker 4: So if you want pay increases, we also have to
47:49
Speaker 4: see tax increases.
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Speaker 2: On the other hand, let's go to what happened in
47:54
Speaker 2: Victoria yet again. Over the weekend we had another horrific brawl,
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Speaker 2: this one in a very busy Melbourn shopping set to
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Speaker 2: involving machetes. Surprise, surprise, Premier comes out today she was
48:05
Speaker 2: banning machetes from September I think it was. She now
48:09
Speaker 2: says no, I'll bring that forward immediately on Wednesday.
48:12
Speaker 3: However, she's just banning the.
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Speaker 2: Sale of machetes here, Dan, not the possession of machetes.
48:19
Speaker 2: That's the big issue. She's not taking any out of circulation.
48:22
Speaker 2: And I might add a machete doesn't find its way
48:24
Speaker 2: into someone's gut, a human beings. At the end of
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Speaker 2: it to what is she going to do about these gangs?
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Speaker 3: Dan, Well, that's right, Peter.
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Speaker 1: I think until we have personal responsibility put back into
48:39
Speaker 1: the heart of our legal system, these problems will persist. Yes,
48:43
Speaker 1: governments can look to ban machetes or knives, but that's
48:47
Speaker 1: not going to solve the problem of the fact that
48:50
Speaker 1: too often the legal system is very lenient on those
48:52
Speaker 1: who engage in violent, violent criminal acts against others. So
48:56
Speaker 1: we have to have personal responsibility at the center of
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Speaker 1: our legal system and.
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Speaker 2: A grown up government. I'll over there, gents, thank you
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Speaker 2: for you next week, that's it for me. Andrew's next