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Inviting Others to Linger | Bekah and Molly of the Enneagram Magazine · The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast

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SPEAKER_03: We really believe this generation as asking what is beautiful.
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SPEAKER_03: That's the main question.
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SPEAKER_03: We heard someone say that.
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SPEAKER_03: And we really resonate with that.
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SPEAKER_03: We really believe that.
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SPEAKER_03: And so we think that there is this importance in an increasing digital age to slow down, to have something print, something in your hand that makes you to unplug and get offline.
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SPEAKER_03: For our generations, we had that in mind.
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SPEAKER_03: We had this upcoming generation in mind.
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SPEAKER_03: And like we want to be able to hand this down, have this be build a bridge into this wisdom with beautiful imagery and with a language that is really connecting, they're really connecting with.
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SPEAKER_04: I'll of them share why this format is adding such an important contribution to the Enneagram conversation.
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SPEAKER_04: But for now, trust me when I say you're gonna want to listen to every minute of this.
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SPEAKER_04: These gals are deep and there's so many great takeaways to encourage you today.
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SPEAKER_04: So jump on it today.
3:41
SPEAKER_04: Well, ladies, I can't believe it.
3:44
SPEAKER_04: This summer we talked about getting to do a podcast for the Christmas season, and it felt like, I don't know, it felt like a year from this.
3:52
SPEAKER_04: And I blinked and we're here.
3:55
SPEAKER_04: So Merry Christmas, happy Thanksgiving.
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SPEAKER_04: We're jumping into this holiday series, and I'm just so excited.
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SPEAKER_04: It really is my favorite time of year, and it's just so fun to celebrate the Lord's birth.
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SPEAKER_04: And we're doing that all sorts of different ways.
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SPEAKER_04: And and we're gonna start off with celebrating your magazine, the special winter edition that is coming out here in just a couple of days.
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SPEAKER_04: I did introduce you a little bit here at the beginning before we jumped in this conversation, but we want to hear from you.
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SPEAKER_04: Like if we could look into your window, uh, what would we see?
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SPEAKER_04: And Molly, you can start or Rebecca, you could go and you know, take a second to introduce yourself.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I am Molly and I work on the magazine with Becca.
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SPEAKER_03: I uh focus more in on the art direction side of things.
4:48
SPEAKER_03: So anything from selecting the imagery to the design to social, the fact that it's just the two of us running this thing, we have a lot of things.
4:58
SPEAKER_03: Personally, I uh just welcomed our first babe into the world.
5:03
SPEAKER_03: So that's exciting.
5:05
SPEAKER_03: That's like our big news here in our home.
5:08
SPEAKER_03: Um baby's first Christmas.
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SPEAKER_03: So fine.
5:11
SPEAKER_03: Baby's first Christmas.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm here for it.
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SPEAKER_03: I can't wait.
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SPEAKER_03: And so excited.
5:16
SPEAKER_03: So that's little tidbits of me and the magazine, I guess.
5:20
SPEAKER_03: And I don't know how deep you want me to go if it involves any gram journey or thoughts coming, but that's yeah.
5:27
SPEAKER_04: Well, we'll let Rebecca give her a little glimpse in her window.
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SPEAKER_04: In this podcast, it's a guarantee.
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SPEAKER_04: We're going to have to hear the story about how you discovered your site.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, a little glimpse into my window.
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SPEAKER_03: So I am director of content and collaboration for the magazine.
5:47
SPEAKER_03: So that means I get to do really fun things like coordinating stuff like this and all the articles, and really hopefully setting a table for as many voices and stories to be told.
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SPEAKER_03: That's one of our biggest and highest values.
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SPEAKER_03: So I get the joy of connecting with really amazing people all over the Enneagram journey, Enneagram master teachers, to people who are just figuring it out for the first time and are willing to share some of their journey and story with us.
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SPEAKER_03: So it's really a beautiful spectrum of people.
6:18
SPEAKER_03: And I have two girls.
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SPEAKER_03: One is about to turn one year old and one is eight.
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SPEAKER_03: So there's a long story that fills in the gap of that, but it's been a joy and a little bit of me.
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SPEAKER_04: Love it.
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SPEAKER_04: That's so great.
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SPEAKER_04: Thanks for giving us a glimpse.
6:39
SPEAKER_04: All right.
6:40
SPEAKER_04: Well, now we want to know, we're gonna get the full scoop on how the magazine even came about, which when I first heard about it, I was like, oh wow, that is just the coolest thing.
6:50
SPEAKER_04: That is brilliant.
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SPEAKER_04: I think it's so awesome.
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SPEAKER_04: And and you all do it with such amazing intention.
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SPEAKER_04: So you're gonna get to share all of that, how that was birthed and how that came about.
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SPEAKER_04: And each issue is a labor of love.
7:01
SPEAKER_04: Birthing lots of children in your own right.
7:04
SPEAKER_04: But how about for your Enneagram journey and discovery?
7:07
SPEAKER_04: I mean, you talked about a lot of stories that come in through our podcast.
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SPEAKER_04: Some people are just figuring it out right before we have a conversation.
7:15
SPEAKER_04: And so it's a little bit of like, I think I am to people who we've had on who knew about it 20 years ago.
7:22
SPEAKER_04: You know, we were in college, and so everybody's story is so different.
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SPEAKER_04: How did you discover what you led as in life and even how to say the word Enneagram?
7:35
SPEAKER_03: That's a great way of saying that.
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SPEAKER_03: I uh am grateful that it came to me early in my life, and it's wild.
7:43
SPEAKER_03: I mean, I feel like that's gonna be the case more and more for people, the younger and younger.
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SPEAKER_03: I was in college, and what a time to find it, right?
7:50
SPEAKER_03: Like so many things coming at you.
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SPEAKER_03: You're really young, you're looking forward to like what's coming big in life.
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SPEAKER_03: And I had a lot of questions swirling around trying to figure out who I was, and thankfully, yeah, the Enneagram came, and I like to say that it was very much a growing of a language, like it just gave me language for the things that I like knew were there.
8:14
SPEAKER_03: I knew things were happening, I could recognize like that.
8:17
SPEAKER_03: Was weird behavior, I don't know how to get out of it.
8:21
SPEAKER_03: Keep hitting that same repetitive behavior, but still ask the same thing.
8:24
SPEAKER_03: Stuck record.
8:25
SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_03: That was definitely my intro was recognizing, like, wow, that actually has taken hold.
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SPEAKER_03: I actually thought I was a four at first, and which is interesting.
8:37
SPEAKER_03: I'm a nine.
8:38
SPEAKER_03: And that was kind of my intro at first, was a little bit of a crash course of like we have a short amount of time and like here it is, you know, and it was great heart and great intention, 100%.
8:50
SPEAKER_03: And now knowing more of the Enneagram and having more work in it, Becca and I both are like, wow, I could take a week to tell someone about the Enneagram.
8:59
SPEAKER_03: So absolutely naturally how that happens, you know, in short amount of time.
9:04
SPEAKER_03: I joke that it took an eight to tell me I'm a nine, because it did.
9:11
SPEAKER_03: Uh-huh.
9:11
SPEAKER_03: And I uh was doing a design project and you know, gave several options and was told to choose it, the design, and I didn't want to.
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SPEAKER_03: I was like, I'm not choosing, I refuse, I cannot, nope, not doing it.
9:29
SPEAKER_03: And in that moment, I was confronted of like, you might actually be a nine.
9:35
SPEAKER_03: And I had um early life crisis, like I just really was thrown off by it.
9:44
SPEAKER_03: It was actually kind of abrasive for me and was a little shook by it.
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SPEAKER_03: Thankfully, partnered with some beautiful discipleship, actually, by the lovely Becca here on the call that really actually started to cultivate and actually take root in my life, applying more spiritually and even just rewriting, right, rewriting the stories that I've had been telling myself up until that point.
10:10
SPEAKER_03: So again, really pivotal for me.
10:12
SPEAKER_03: And so since then, that was kind of the groundwork.
10:15
SPEAKER_03: Since then, you enter marriage, and that was really you really play it out then and like oh wow, yes, there's some more here, yes, exactly.
10:28
SPEAKER_03: So in that, I have learned so much, and again, returning back to that of it, just has given me language.
10:36
SPEAKER_03: Huge piece was just even knowing I'm a withdrawing number, as we mentioned, I withdraw and would do that specifically in my relationships, even more specific in my marriage.
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SPEAKER_03: And my husband, who is a one, would take responsibility for it.
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SPEAKER_03: So it's like, I run away, and then he's left in his pain.
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SPEAKER_03: Like, oh, why did I make her run away?
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SPEAKER_03: So enter in just a lot of fun, a lot of development and a lot of growth.
11:07
SPEAKER_03: That is collaboration of yeah, of really how it's been yeah, how it's been impactful in my life, where it began and where it continues to cultivate.
11:17
SPEAKER_03: And I mean, it's a journey, as we say in the Enneagram magazine.
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SPEAKER_03: Like absolutely journey is always now.
11:25
SPEAKER_04: I love that, Molly.
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SPEAKER_04: It's so good.
11:27
SPEAKER_04: It took an abrasive moment and really an offensive moment, sadly, but it was turned to a moment where you're able to find gold in that of greater discovery.
11:37
SPEAKER_04: So it's you know all sorts of things can be used on this journey.
11:44
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
11:44
SPEAKER_04: Oh, that's awesome.
11:45
SPEAKER_04: All right, Rebecca, give us the beautiful details.
11:49
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's such an interesting journey, right?
11:52
SPEAKER_03: To go back and reflect and um like what the Enneagram means to me now versus rewind to the very beginning.
11:59
SPEAKER_03: And um, and even like those first introduction moments of it, I was working in student development and it was just one more handy tool to kind of throw in the mix of training and development.
12:12
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: And it kind of stayed at that surface level of I was actually not even able to make it to that workshop.
12:20
SPEAKER_03: That was a pretty quick one, and the introduced this number system, and then everyone started talking in numbers and um this and I'm that, and then like a lot of people who were not engaged with it were at was actually like the team I was working with, and they're like, I'm a 10, you know, it was a lot of men at the time, and uh like I the very kind of standoffish to it, and so I was like, all right, well, I'm intrigued now.
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SPEAKER_03: I feel left out, which speaks to my number, right?
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SPEAKER_03: It's a four.
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SPEAKER_03: I'm like, I already I'm feeling left out, so I want to figure that out.
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SPEAKER_03: People have the secret language all of a sudden, yes, yes, and I don't know if I like that, but what is it?
13:02
SPEAKER_03: It was okay, it was helpful.
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SPEAKER_03: I started taking it on more as I was a resident director, kind of took it on more as a development tool for my staff and for my team.
13:13
SPEAKER_03: And then that started, I was like, okay, this is actually helpful to know that everyone on my team thinks differently and sees things differently, sees discipline in the dorms different, sees events different, approaches these things differently.
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SPEAKER_03: So it's helpful to know that even when planning retreats for them, to think through, okay, this is I can't just do like a one-stop shop.
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SPEAKER_03: I can't just do plug and play and have at this meet all of them at the exact same place.
13:41
SPEAKER_03: So it was really became a helpful tool, but it again just kind of stayed on the shore until life kind of happened and started crashing and tumbling down and lots of different areas of my life.
13:54
SPEAKER_03: And I brought the tool into counseling, and I'm really thankful that my counselor knew about the NEM.
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SPEAKER_03: So that was language that we were able to yeah, have together and dialogue.
14:05
SPEAKER_03: And I continue to have a really open hand.
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SPEAKER_03: I think I am a four, but I'm always checking, right?
14:13
SPEAKER_03: I always feel kind of a gut check because there's so many things that will pop up and be like, am I this?
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SPEAKER_03: Or am I that?
14:22
SPEAKER_03: Like I think that's there, there's such an ongoing journey.
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SPEAKER_03: I think, and as you continue to get to know yourself, you start to disconnect from it.
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SPEAKER_03: It's less and less a label, and you become more and more free and start to see the the depth and the beauty of all of the numbers and how all of those can be cultivated, and how those are different facets of God and how those are all accessible to us.
14:43
SPEAKER_03: So that was it's just started.
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SPEAKER_03: We waded into started moving into the ocean, starting into the depths of this beautiful gift, this tool, among many tools.
14:54
SPEAKER_03: It's not the tool we say often, we're not trying to create any gram converts.
14:59
SPEAKER_03: We're trying to like change self-awareness.
15:02
SPEAKER_03: We're just trying to say that this is a part of your spiritual life, is getting to know yourself.
15:08
SPEAKER_03: Because in getting to know yourself, you get to know God, as many wise philosophers have said before us, obviously.
15:15
SPEAKER_03: But and I think that's some of our pain in our journey with our spirituality, Molly and I both, that there wasn't a lot of self-awareness invitations, and even our leaders or guides or authority figures weren't doing that inward journey.
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SPEAKER_03: And so there was a rub, there's a disconnect.
15:35
SPEAKER_03: And so a lot of the healing has come from connecting these things, connecting our spiritual life with our inward journey and with our self-awareness journey.
15:44
SPEAKER_03: So I would say that's we're just scuba diving, we're in the deep north.
15:49
SPEAKER_03: I love your word pictures.
15:51
SPEAKER_03: Yes, so good.
15:53
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, the shore is definitely you consume the memes on Instagram, maybe a podcast here or there, maybe even read a book.
16:01
SPEAKER_04: But it also kind of speaks to the quality and the depth that you offer in your magazine as well, which that's really kind of the next thing for you guys, obviously, in this whole process of self-discovery.
16:12
SPEAKER_04: And I think it's so just such a beautiful thing, right?
16:16
SPEAKER_04: Instead of suppressing what we were made to be and designed to be, I think that's where some of the spiritual growth can come in of going, oh, I really am fearfully and wonderfully made.
16:28
SPEAKER_04: And I can celebrate that.
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SPEAKER_04: Yes, there are the weaknesses and you know, Christ in me, you know, Philippians four.
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SPEAKER_04: And that can be renewed and that can be strengthened and even turn into a superpower, I say all the time.
16:43
SPEAKER_04: But all of that to say for you all, obviously at some point this idea for a magazine intersected, and you guys actually did something about it, which I don't know how long it took from you know, head to table.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_04: I'm sure it took a little bit and maybe a lot, actually, before that could happen.
17:04
SPEAKER_03: We are riding a wave, like that's really what it's felt like the entire time from start to end, and that's a wave that like God has just let us surf.
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SPEAKER_03: Like we are just there, and He is letting it go.
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SPEAKER_03: Like we said, even in our Enneagram, kind of indirectly, we met at college.
17:23
SPEAKER_03: Becca was my mentor and my boss at one point, and all the relationships you've worked together before, we've worked together, yeah.
17:32
SPEAKER_03: Um, now just dear friends and co-collaborators, and it's just been amazing.
17:38
SPEAKER_03: But started in college, we had a friend that had their own project, Dream Project that they were pursuing, and it had a ton of content.
17:50
SPEAKER_03: And Becca and I were just brainstorming off the cuff, and we were like, all this content is the hardest part of the work.
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SPEAKER_03: Like, we can easily just take that and put it into a beautiful print publication, coffee table book, easy, and so I mean, we say easy, right?
18:10
SPEAKER_03: There's definitely easy.
18:11
SPEAKER_03: There's definitely some work there.
18:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I know, yeah.
18:15
SPEAKER_03: But we helped him, we uh took that amazing content that he had gathered and worked so hard on, put it into a piece, and we loved working together.
18:27
SPEAKER_03: We realized, wow, like we cover each other in these areas, like you really take that on, I take this on, and we have fun doing it, and we would totally do it again.
18:39
SPEAKER_03: So we're like, there's something here, which is crazy hindsight.
18:43
SPEAKER_03: Like, we didn't go into it thinking, like, let's make a magazine business.
18:47
SPEAKER_03: This would be a really great start, you know.
18:49
SPEAKER_03: Right.
18:50
SPEAKER_03: So it just plopped, it was just there.
18:52
SPEAKER_03: We're like, let's do it.
18:54
SPEAKER_03: So that's our beginning.
18:56
SPEAKER_03: That's where we started to really have the seed, you could say, be planted early on and experience.
19:01
SPEAKER_03: And so we kind of wrestled with that after.
19:04
SPEAKER_03: We're like, that was really fun.
19:06
SPEAKER_03: Like, let's just keep our hands open, let's just be receptive to whatever comes and let's keep dreaming.
19:13
SPEAKER_03: So we had several different iterations, let me tell you, before we landed at Enneagram magazine.
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SPEAKER_03: And we're like, what if it's this?
19:20
SPEAKER_03: What if it's that?
19:21
SPEAKER_03: Like, not even thinking about the Enneagram.
19:24
SPEAKER_03: We're like, we just what can we put a print publication?
19:27
SPEAKER_03: Like, what could be of you know, addition to the knowledge that's already out there in this world?
19:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:33
SPEAKER_03: And it kind of, I mean, we joke about it, we say it was a shower aha moment, you know, and you're like, and that's when the Lord speaks.
19:42
SPEAKER_04: I'm telling you, all the time.
19:43
SPEAKER_04: You're just there ready, you know.
19:46
SPEAKER_04: Uh-huh.
19:46
SPEAKER_04: You are bare before the Lord.
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SPEAKER_04: There is nothing, truly, absolutely nothing between you and the Lord.
19:53
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
19:54
SPEAKER_04: So and all the moms said yes.
19:57
SPEAKER_04: That's yes.
19:58
SPEAKER_04: There is a reason the Lord speaks in the shower.
20:01
SPEAKER_03: And I wasn't, that's so funny because I wasn't even a mom then.
20:04
SPEAKER_03: And now being a mom, I totally get it.
20:08
SPEAKER_03: I thought that today.
20:09
SPEAKER_03: I was like, wow, I get why people brush their teeth in the shower because you like multitasking is so important.
20:17
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
20:18
SPEAKER_03: Definitely in that moment, I had, I was like, oh my gosh, it just hit me.
20:22
SPEAKER_03: Square on.
20:23
SPEAKER_03: I was like, the Enneagram.
20:25
SPEAKER_03: We love the Enneagram.
20:27
SPEAKER_03: We talk about it.
20:28
SPEAKER_03: Becca and I would talk about it all the time.
20:31
SPEAKER_03: Majority of our conversations mixed in with our spirituality, mixed in with our daily life, our marriage, so ingrained.
20:38
SPEAKER_03: And we have seen it as such a useful tool, and we're like, that's it.
20:43
SPEAKER_03: Like, that's what we love to bring into the world.
20:46
SPEAKER_03: And so started to Google that was first step.
20:49
SPEAKER_03: Enneagram magazine, does it exist?
20:51
SPEAKER_03: And there was nothing.
20:52
SPEAKER_03: There was, I mean, maybe like a couple things that were very small and not really published regularly.
21:00
SPEAKER_03: And so you have to be thinking, what?
21:02
SPEAKER_03: No one else has done this already.
21:04
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
21:04
SPEAKER_04: I mean, that's kind of what I was thinking.
21:08
SPEAKER_03: Exactly, exactly.
21:10
SPEAKER_03: And our love for print, our love for slowing down.
21:13
SPEAKER_03: We're like, this is just a beautiful merge of what the Enneagram was even originally about, was about taking that time to really dive deep because we were seeing, you know, the meme culture come out, and where it has a place, it has its fun, it has its laughs.
21:30
SPEAKER_03: But we were like, there's so much more.
21:32
SPEAKER_03: There's again, there's an ocean, right?
21:34
SPEAKER_03: Like come into the deeper water.
21:37
SPEAKER_03: And so we started to really take off from there, just diving in, asking bigger questions, somehow got in connection with Suzanne Stafiel through her the idea of like, what is this?
21:50
SPEAKER_03: You know, like would it have because we really what was really important to us was we wanted to have something be of worth to the conversation.
21:57
SPEAKER_03: We didn't want to just be another noise, like more noise.
22:00
SPEAKER_03: Noise, right?
22:01
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
22:02
SPEAKER_03: And especially now, right?
22:03
SPEAKER_03: There's like even more noise.
22:05
SPEAKER_03: Like so much.
22:07
SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh.
22:08
SPEAKER_03: All of the books coming out, all of the info, all of the Instagram accounts.
22:12
SPEAKER_03: Anyways, we had a very pivotal, I'd say, conversation with her where it was just full-on encouragement of absolutely there's space, there's a lane for this, go after it, championing you, which we were like, So good.
22:27
SPEAKER_03: What?
22:27
SPEAKER_04: What?
22:29
SPEAKER_04: Hold on.
22:29
SPEAKER_04: Suzanne, this is so rare.
22:32
SPEAKER_04: Right.
22:32
SPEAKER_03: And she's just been near and dear to us, just has been an incredible cheerleader, and has been really grateful for her support in that and has really helped us just be like to have someone who is so who is close to the original purpose and the original way that it's been taught.
22:52
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
22:53
SPEAKER_03: And has taken the time, right?
22:54
SPEAKER_03: Like she's taken her time to dive deep.
22:57
SPEAKER_03: So it means even more to us where it's not, you know, some like my friend telling me, like, it's beautiful and it's adding worth.
23:04
SPEAKER_03: It's like someone who's rich in the work sees its lane and sees its space that it's adding to her life work, right?
23:13
SPEAKER_03: Like she's invested her life into it and sees it adding to.
23:17
SPEAKER_03: So wow.
23:18
SPEAKER_03: That's so cool.
23:20
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, a lot out there.
23:21
SPEAKER_03: Beck to you have I'm curious if you have anything you would add to our story.
23:25
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there's so much, right?
23:27
SPEAKER_03: The little details, the little moments, and that we would text back and forth and be like, is this real?
23:32
SPEAKER_03: And is this happening?
23:34
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
23:35
SPEAKER_03: And I think we also saw the gap between the teachers' generation and these books coming out that were very weighty, lots of information, but so much aesthetically weren't.
23:49
SPEAKER_03: We really believe this generation as asking what is beautiful.
23:52
SPEAKER_03: That's the question.
23:54
SPEAKER_03: We heard someone say that, and we really resonate with that, we really believe that.
23:58
SPEAKER_03: And so we think that there is this importance in an increasing digital age to slow down, to have something print, something in your hand that makes you to unplug and get offline for our generations.
24:11
SPEAKER_03: We had that in mind.
24:13
SPEAKER_03: We had this upcoming generation in mind, and like we want to be able to hand this down, have this be build a bridge into this wisdom with beautiful imagery and with a language that that is really connecting, they're really connecting with.
25:56
SPEAKER_04: So that's so cool.
25:58
SPEAKER_04: What a fun story.
26:00
SPEAKER_04: Well, if you could give us a little glimpse of what we can expect.
26:04
SPEAKER_04: Has it been about two years of issues?
26:06
SPEAKER_04: Am I right in that?
26:07
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's amazing.
26:09
SPEAKER_04: Two years.
26:10
SPEAKER_04: This I'm sure your anniversary edition is going to be phenomenal.
26:14
SPEAKER_04: I can't wait.
26:16
SPEAKER_04: You probably won't even acknowledge it because you both will be like, oh, it's just, you know, we're just doing our thing.
26:21
SPEAKER_04: But do give us some insight because I wanted to make sure my people not only heard about the magazine for themselves, but it's an amazing gift.
26:31
SPEAKER_04: Like anyone who enjoys the Enneagram on your list.
26:35
SPEAKER_04: This is a no-brainer.
26:36
SPEAKER_04: This feels special, this feels unique, this feels like you saw them and you didn't just pick up off their list because it may not be on their list yet.
26:46
SPEAKER_04: So give us a little glimpse of what this it's called the winter edition.
26:50
SPEAKER_04: Am I correct in that?
26:51
SPEAKER_04: Or what is the special name for this edition coming out here in a couple days?
26:56
SPEAKER_03: This is the wonder.
26:57
SPEAKER_03: The wonder.
26:59
SPEAKER_03: Yes, the wonder of the season.
27:02
SPEAKER_04: Oh, that is so perfect.
27:03
SPEAKER_04: I love that so much.
27:05
SPEAKER_04: I am all about it.
27:06
SPEAKER_04: The wonder edition.
27:07
SPEAKER_04: Okay, tell us what to expect.
27:09
SPEAKER_03: We really wanted to take people intentionally on a journey, our subscribers.
27:13
SPEAKER_03: So we started the year looking at the imagery and idea of the soil, and that was around the idea of justice and looking at such an internal work and looking at the state of the soil.
27:26
SPEAKER_03: Then moving into the seed, and that's around our health issue.
27:31
SPEAKER_03: And that was that we each have a seed, we are a seed, and though we're entrusted with that.
27:37
SPEAKER_03: And what does that look like to have a holistic view of our health?
27:41
SPEAKER_03: Then we moved into like the sprout, which is around endeavor, like we're not just meant to be seeds, kind of like kept up to ourselves in this internal space, but that we are actually meant to engage in the world, that we have gifts and we have things to bring.
28:00
SPEAKER_03: And then a wonder issue is really around the idea of fruit and abundance and this gift of wonder that we have in one another, that we have in ourselves that we is an offering to the world.
28:11
SPEAKER_03: So it's around this imagery of fruit, connecting with God and the vastness and the beauty of God and how we can see God in one another.
28:20
SPEAKER_03: We can see God in the creation around us.
28:23
SPEAKER_03: We can see it obviously in the Christmas season, in the Christmas story.
28:28
SPEAKER_03: There's so much to wonder at.
28:30
SPEAKER_03: And as we've been doing, as every issue, we always kind of get wrecked by the topic before it ever comes out.
28:38
SPEAKER_04: Oh, that's worse than an author, because you're coming out with four of them a year.
28:42
SPEAKER_04: So four times a year to get through this.
28:46
SPEAKER_03: I mean, we didn't know when we started the Kickstarter, that was pre-COVID, but it was right before our second issue launched right after COVID, right after the shutdown.
28:57
SPEAKER_03: There's been a quite a a ride, and we both had babies during that time.
29:01
SPEAKER_03: Like it's been an interesting journey on lots and lots of personal collective levels.
29:07
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I would say.
29:08
SPEAKER_03: So even that's influenced the content of the magazine, but we're really we fully feel more than ever the importance of wonder, the importance of coming back to uh to this idea of gratitude and beauty.
29:22
SPEAKER_03: That as things get heavy and things are hard, and that's true, and then that needs to be named, that there is still beauty and wonder and things to fight for and things to get curious about and things to grow in and things to celebrate.
29:37
SPEAKER_03: So that's the issue.
29:38
SPEAKER_03: Oh, I can't wait to get my hands upon this.
29:41
SPEAKER_03: Yes, yes, so good.
29:44
SPEAKER_03: We're just beautiful perspectives, beautiful original artwork, beautiful poetry.
29:49
SPEAKER_03: We just had some amazing collaborations and generous people who gave so much of their story and artwork to make it what it is.
29:58
SPEAKER_04: So we're so excited.
29:59
SPEAKER_04: Ah, I love it.
30:01
SPEAKER_04: Okay, well, before we do our last two special holiday rapid fire questions, where can my friends find this or what they can expect to get in light of like especially because they probably want to be giving as a gift and that sort of thing.
30:16
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you can find it on our website.
30:18
SPEAKER_03: It's very easy, enneagrammagazine.com.
30:22
SPEAKER_03: And if you also want to check us out on Instagram, we're on Instagram, and you can see even into our magazine, we have videos and different pictures and things like that to give you a good taste.
30:34
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I love that.
30:35
SPEAKER_04: And I know you can get it as a subscription, but you can also just get the one off.
30:40
SPEAKER_04: And those all those options are there.
30:43
SPEAKER_04: So whatever budget you're working in, you can make it work and give a really special gift.
30:48
SPEAKER_04: So okay, ladies, um, we'll take one question at a time and allow each of you to answer.
30:54
SPEAKER_04: And the first one is what is your favorite Christmas Carol?
30:58
SPEAKER_04: I can't wait to find out the answers to this.
31:02
SPEAKER_03: That's awesome.
31:04
SPEAKER_03: Okay, my decision is made and it's oh holy night.
31:08
SPEAKER_03: Yes, the lyrics.
31:10
SPEAKER_03: Oh my god.
31:13
SPEAKER_03: It's still Rebecca's.
31:14
SPEAKER_03: It's between that and if I have to throw on another silent night.
31:18
SPEAKER_03: Silent night when you like do the candle service, I think of the service.
31:23
SPEAKER_03: It's just peaceful.
31:25
SPEAKER_03: But yeah, oh holy night, the lyrics, like just go through those lyrics, and there's some good nuggets and truth in that.
31:34
SPEAKER_03: So that's me.
31:35
SPEAKER_03: Amen.
31:36
SPEAKER_04: Love it, Molly.
31:37
SPEAKER_04: So rapid.
31:37
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
31:38
SPEAKER_04: Oh, Rebecca.
31:39
SPEAKER_04: Okay, so she's still your Oh Holy Night.
31:41
SPEAKER_04: You got a backup one?
31:43
SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's just so good, right?
31:46
SPEAKER_03: And yes, thrill of hope, the weary world rejoices.
31:50
SPEAKER_03: I mean, this is just like each line is wavy and beautiful.
31:54
SPEAKER_03: Also, I know this is one, this is a favorite of Molly's too, is the Hill song.
31:59
SPEAKER_03: It's called Seasons.
32:01
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
32:02
SPEAKER_04: And I don't know if I'm familiar with that one.
32:04
SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna have to look that up.
32:05
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's on our winter album, but it's applicable year-round.
32:10
SPEAKER_03: But it's uh just a really beautiful, rich story.
32:14
SPEAKER_03: And it's great, rare, and um really connects in a lot of different levels.
32:21
SPEAKER_04: I think I'm gonna have to be putting some links in the show notes here because I I'm like, oh, I need to look that up, and I'm sure all my friends are too.
32:29
SPEAKER_04: Okay, last but not least, and I think this is fun in light of Molly.
32:33
SPEAKER_04: You have your first baby and Rebecca.
32:35
SPEAKER_04: I didn't realize you had a one-year-old still.
32:38
SPEAKER_04: So such a fun time.
32:40
SPEAKER_04: So there's tradition is rich, it's like you get to birth new traditions as well as starting or as like reliving the ones that are important to you.
32:50
SPEAKER_04: So I know it'll be hard to pick, especially because you're both past oriented in the withdrawing, right?
32:56
SPEAKER_04: Because you remember traditions really well.
32:58
SPEAKER_04: I think that's a superpower.
33:00
SPEAKER_04: Um, so favorite Christmas tradition.
33:02
SPEAKER_04: What do you got?
33:03
SPEAKER_03: Mine's the classic, tried and true.
33:06
SPEAKER_03: Open a Christmas gift the night before.
33:09
SPEAKER_03: And what is it?
33:11
SPEAKER_03: Pajamas pajamas.
33:14
SPEAKER_03: It's great.
33:15
SPEAKER_03: Like I said, I like already picked out our sons like months before.
33:20
SPEAKER_03: So I was like, this is what he's gonna wear.
33:24
SPEAKER_04: I think if we were gonna make a meme, that would be super fitting for an Enneagram Nines favorite tradition.
33:31
SPEAKER_03: Like super, like what am I gonna relax in all day tomorrow?
33:35
SPEAKER_03: That yeah, yeah, exactly.
33:38
SPEAKER_03: There you go.
33:39
SPEAKER_03: I love it.
33:39
SPEAKER_03: That's so great, Molly.
33:41
SPEAKER_03: Okay.
33:43
SPEAKER_03: Oh my goodness, I couldn't pick, so I really couldn't.
33:48
SPEAKER_03: I had the hardest time because I feel like everything's tradition, every single thing is rich with meaning.
33:55
SPEAKER_03: And I mean, I'm just giving myself a hard time as a four.
33:59
SPEAKER_03: It's very hard to do things that aren't feeling like tradition in the special and deep.
34:07
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think there's something around baking, like cookie making that's been a tradition in my family for a long time.
34:15
SPEAKER_03: And so I think there's something around that that's definitely worth noting and celebrating, just being together and making and creating, and then also like the gift of that.
34:25
SPEAKER_03: And I also really love sweets, so all the sampling that takes place in the win-win, yeah.
34:32
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, sure, I'll make these cookies for the neighbors.
34:37
SPEAKER_03: Where did they go?
34:40
SPEAKER_03: The right.
34:41
SPEAKER_04: Wink wink.
34:43
SPEAKER_04: Uh, I love it.
34:44
SPEAKER_04: Molly, Rebecca.
34:46
SPEAKER_04: Thank you so much for giving your time, giving these insights, and just your work on this beautiful legacy that you really have in these magazines.
34:55
SPEAKER_04: I'm excited.
34:56
SPEAKER_04: I'm excited for my friends to become part of your community as well and jump in the deep end, maybe put on some scuba gear and go ahead and get into this stuff.
35:06
SPEAKER_04: Thank you so much for having us.
35:09
SPEAKER_04: I just love what Molly and Becca are doing to add to the Instagram conversation.
35:14
SPEAKER_04: It really is valuable to have these pieces of beauty and legacy that invite us to linger just a little bit longer.
35:21
SPEAKER_04: I hope you check out their advent bundle.
35:24
SPEAKER_04: Let's have their newest issues for yourself or a friend.
35:28
SPEAKER_04: Remember, it's items like this that make a great gift for every Instagram type.
35:33
SPEAKER_04: If you enjoyed this episode, it would mean so much to have you share it with your friends through text to social media, or even three minutes of the five-star reveal.
35:42
SPEAKER_04: Your support is the best gift that you can give to me this year.
35:46
SPEAKER_04: Now, do the next week for more quality inspiration from another dynamic deal.
35:51
SPEAKER_04: This time it's a married couple.
35:54
SPEAKER_04: And you know what?
35:55
SPEAKER_04: This hasn't happened before on the show, but they both happen to be India and three.
36:00
SPEAKER_04: Yes, it does happen.
36:01
SPEAKER_04: You can marry someone with a very similar personality.
36:05
SPEAKER_04: And yes, they're still very different.
36:07
SPEAKER_04: Our conversation is all about this.
36:14
SPEAKER_04: There was so much that it's really good, and I can't, of course, wait to share it with you all.
36:20
SPEAKER_04: So until next time, friends, continue to pursue perspective, purpose, and purpose for a whole hearted advanced season.