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The Intel With Greg Cosell: Caleb Downs, Hybrid DBs Highlight NFL Draft Safety Class · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome back to the Intel with Greg Cosell. On
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds, I'm Jeff Mosher with Adam Kaplan, and
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  Speaker 1: to finish it off, we've got Greg Cosell to look
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  Speaker 1: at NFL Draft prospect safeties. This is the last position
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  Speaker 1: we have done, every single position group. Coincidentally, it might
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  Speaker 1: be the position the Eagles need most because they currently
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  Speaker 1: don't have as starting safety next to Andrew mccooba. But
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  Speaker 1: a lot of NFL teams need safeties. And as we've
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  Speaker 1: talked about Greg and our discussions with corners, you're seeing
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  Speaker 1: more positionless or multi positional players in the backfield who
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  Speaker 1: can play both outside corner nickel and safety.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and obviously it depends on your scheme. You know, Look,
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  Speaker 2: everybody's gonna you know, say, well, you know, Mike McDonald,
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  Speaker 2: you know we want to structure our defense like that.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's great if you have Nick m and Warre
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  Speaker 2: because there's not gonna be you know, it's thirty Nick
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  Speaker 2: him and Warriors. So you know that stuff's always easy
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  Speaker 2: to say. We hear that every year obviously after teams
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  Speaker 2: win a Super Bowl or or a team has a
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  Speaker 2: great defense, you know, so we'll see. But safety, and
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  Speaker 2: we've discussed this. Safety is a far more important position
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  Speaker 2: in today's NFL than I think people thought it was
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  Speaker 2: a number of years ago. So it's it's it's hard
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  Speaker 2: to play with the way the game has evolved on offense.
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  Speaker 2: If you don't have good safeties, it's just hard. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And this group right at them, I mean you look,
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  Speaker 1: once you get past the first four or five, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if this is the strong I mean, Greg,
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  Speaker 1: you can tell it, but I don't know. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how many guys you're going to be seeing going
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  Speaker 1: on day two and early days based on merit, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's why on the other the previous show
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  Speaker 3: and the Quarterback Show, we talked about a couple of
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  Speaker 3: guys who might.
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  Speaker 4: Be playing safety at the next level. County Scott was
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  Speaker 4: one of them.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, it's just maybe Stukes. Maybe trading Stokes is safety. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But there's a.
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  Speaker 3: Saying in football, the more you can do, because it's
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  Speaker 3: when I first started covering the two thousands, Okay, there
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  Speaker 3: was a box safety and a post safety.
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  Speaker 4: That's it, right, that's it.
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  Speaker 3: There was no like, there was no movement right now, Gosh,
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  Speaker 3: got the more less interchangeable.
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  Speaker 2: You don't want to be I mean, as a defense,
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  Speaker 2: you don't want to be stuck with that. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: obviously sometimes you are just the nature of the players
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  Speaker 2: you have, but in an ideal world, you don't want
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  Speaker 2: to be stuck with a guy that can only play
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  Speaker 2: in the box or you feel can only play on
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  Speaker 2: the back end.
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  Speaker 1: Correct, all right, Greg, Well, I feel like throughout this
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  Speaker 1: series we have asked you about every single starter for
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  Speaker 1: Ohio States defense and whether they're not they're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: a top fifteen pick. So might as well finish off
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  Speaker 1: a safety with Caleb Downs, who will probably be an
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  Speaker 1: upper first round pick.
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  Speaker 2: Oh he stinks, Let's move on. Really, you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: funny Downs is, he's just a really good player. The
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  Speaker 2: question is you know he's five eleven five, a's two
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  Speaker 2: oh six, which is not small. And obviously he started
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  Speaker 2: from day one at Alabama. That was with Nick Saban there,
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  Speaker 2: you know, with safety, and Nick Saban makes it a
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  Speaker 2: point to coach the DBS what he did at Alabama.
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  Speaker 2: So you know that Downs is incredibly intelligent. We've heard
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  Speaker 2: nothing but phenomenal things about his interview process and how
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  Speaker 2: much he knows. I mean, he's just there's not a
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  Speaker 2: lot to say about him. You know, he's just a
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  Speaker 2: really good player. You know, again, he's you can line
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  Speaker 2: him up in multiple spots. He's not Nicki min Wura.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he's not six three, two twenty. You know,
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  Speaker 2: he's not that guy. He's more of a true safety.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, he's also played a lot in the slot.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he's another one of those guys that does
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  Speaker 2: have versatility. I mean, he played almost six hundred snaps
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  Speaker 2: in his three year college career in the slot. You know,
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  Speaker 2: the guy, the guy who sort of came to my
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  Speaker 2: mind and people might say, oh, no, he's better than that,
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  Speaker 2: because this guy was not a first round pick. But
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  Speaker 2: he's a really good player, and he's used in a
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  Speaker 2: multi dimensional way in the context of his defense under
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  Speaker 2: Todd Bowles. He kind of reminded me of Antoine Winfield times.
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  Speaker 2: You know, just aggressive, smart, could do anything, can play
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  Speaker 2: on the back end, can blitz, can play the run.
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  Speaker 2: You know, just one of those guys that can kind
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  Speaker 2: of do it all at a really good level.
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  Speaker 1: I believe the only thing that kept Winfield from being
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  Speaker 1: a first round pick was that he was five to nine, right.
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  Speaker 2: Right, probably, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, but I mean, obviously,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Windfield's a really good player. I mean, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, even even Buddha Baker. I mean, he's a
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  Speaker 2: little different than Buddha Baker, but Buddha Baker is another guy.
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  Speaker 2: Not a lot of people think about him because the
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  Speaker 2: Cards have not been a very good team during Buddha
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  Speaker 2: Baker's career. But you know, Buddha Baker is a great player,
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  Speaker 2: right it is.
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  Speaker 1: Down's the guy who comes right into your defense and
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  Speaker 1: you build your back end around him, and he steers
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  Speaker 1: the traffic.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what they That's what I've heard. Yes, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: that's what I've been told, and that's what I've heard.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, look, the guy plays. I mean, he's
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  Speaker 2: got connect energy, he's got a high motor. You love
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  Speaker 2: the way he plays. Like I said, everything you hear
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  Speaker 2: about him is that he's super intelligent. I think he's
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  Speaker 2: got a great feel reading route concepts. When he plays
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  Speaker 2: on the back end, he you know, he does a
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  Speaker 2: great job of what we call cutting crossers, meaning driving
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  Speaker 2: on crossing routes. When he you know, when he's not
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  Speaker 2: necessarily responsible in man coverage for them, you know, he's.
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  Speaker 2: He's just he's a vision smart, savvy player and obviously
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  Speaker 2: has very good, you know, physical and athletic traits. Is
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  Speaker 2: he the best athlete you've ever seen at safety. No,
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  Speaker 2: but he's certainly not a bad athlete.
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  Speaker 1: And I believe his brother Adam is Josh Downs and
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  Speaker 1: the cults.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Uh so we may see as many as three safeties
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  Speaker 3: going in the first round. The next guy had a
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  Speaker 3: phenomenal actually combine workout where it's Dylan Theneman from Argon.
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  Speaker 4: What are your thoughts on him?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's he's a fun guy to watch because
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  Speaker 2: he's one of those guys that flies all over you know. Now,
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  Speaker 2: he's over six feet. He ran except ably well, he's
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  Speaker 2: a little more straight line. I mean, he's he's he's
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  Speaker 2: a really good player. I think he sees it really well.
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  Speaker 2: I mean he plays downhill in the run game with
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  Speaker 2: a ton of juice. I mean, this guy, he's compact
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  Speaker 2: in his build, he's strong, he'll collision blockers and he'll
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  Speaker 2: work right through him. He's got great straight line play speed.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, he is he is a little stiff.
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  Speaker 2: He's not a loose athlete in that sense. But you
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  Speaker 2: just love the way he plays. I mean, this guy
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  Speaker 2: embraces the physical nature of the game. He's a tempo setter.
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  Speaker 2: He's super aggressive. You know, he's another one of those
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  Speaker 2: guys that's really smart in with the way in which
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  Speaker 2: he plays. You know, his speed, like I said, great
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  Speaker 2: straight line speed. I kind of felt watching him that
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  Speaker 2: he'd be really effective in a Vic Fangio type scheme
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  Speaker 2: where quarters is the foundation that that that to me,
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  Speaker 2: is the way he'd be most effective with the with
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  Speaker 2: the cover concepts that work off that. So you know, again,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we always talk about the Eagles, what they're
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  Speaker 2: going to do. Where do they drafted twenty twenty three. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if he's going to be
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  Speaker 2: there or not. You know, we've discussed the fact that
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  Speaker 2: they know they're going to get Andrew mccoba back healthy,
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  Speaker 2: and he's he's a starter at one safety position. But
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  Speaker 2: if we were to line up and play tomorrow, Adam,
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  Speaker 2: I think you'd probably be the other safety. So so
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  Speaker 2: you know, they need another guy to place to start
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  Speaker 2: at safety as we speak right now.
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  Speaker 3: So so on this guy, he just to speak to
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  Speaker 3: Greg's point about he's he's very he flies around.
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  Speaker 4: For he was at Purdue and Oregon.
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  Speaker 2: I've watched him in pained tackles.
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  Speaker 3: Over three years. That's insane for safety. That's that's middle
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  Speaker 3: linebacker kind of stats. I know, tackles are yeah, sort
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  Speaker 3: of overrated stat but that's you should mention that he's
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  Speaker 3: very active.
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  Speaker 2: Oh he's. And that's the way he plays when you
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  Speaker 2: watch him. I mean, this guy, this guy flies all
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  Speaker 2: over I mean, he's he's, he's not. There's no hesitation
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  Speaker 2: in the way in which he plays, and every once
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  Speaker 2: in a while he's over aggressive. You live with that
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  Speaker 2: just because you're not going to tell him not to
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  Speaker 2: do that, you know, but that to me is not
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  Speaker 2: an issue, Like I don't view that and go, my god,
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  Speaker 2: what a horrible weakness. That's a killer. I mean, this
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  Speaker 2: guy sees it and he goes and he goes with intent.
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  Speaker 2: I mean he's there's no there's no hesitation, he doesn't
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  Speaker 2: slow down. I mean, this guy plays Greig.
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  Speaker 1: The next guy is someone that you know, Eagles coach
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  Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni should really have some intel on his Emmanuel
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  Speaker 1: McNeil Warren out of Toledo, who I believe had one
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  Speaker 1: year overlap with Quinjon Mitchell. And you got to give
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  Speaker 1: Jason Kandall, who was a teammate of Sirianni's at Mount Union,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of credit. I mean he's been putting NFL,
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  Speaker 1: especially defensive players in the NFL from Toledo. I think
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  Speaker 1: he's now the head coach at Yukon, but he's he
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  Speaker 1: did a really nice job with that Toledo program. And
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  Speaker 1: this kid could go in the first round.
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  Speaker 2: McKeil Warren. Yeah. I mean he didn't run great, but
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  Speaker 2: he's big. You know, he may be just in terms
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  Speaker 2: of like physical gifts in the way in which he moves,
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  Speaker 2: he could be as gifted as any safety in the
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  Speaker 2: draft class. I mean you're talking about a guy that's
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  Speaker 2: over six to three. I don't really think he's got
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  Speaker 2: a scheme limitation. You know, some might even see him
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  Speaker 2: as a big nickel like in the m and Worry Mold.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't weigh as much, but I mean he's long.
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  Speaker 2: Could he begin his career as that third safety in
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  Speaker 2: a big nickel package? Yeah, but this guy is is long,
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  Speaker 2: he's athletic, he's fluid, he moves easily. He has a
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  Speaker 2: very loose, rangey feel to his movement. I mean, he's
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  Speaker 2: got light, quick feed, He's got some sudden twitch to him.
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  Speaker 2: Because of his length, he covers a lot of ground.
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  Speaker 2: He can make plays in pursuit. He attacked downhill in
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  Speaker 2: the run game with aggression and competitiveness. He was willing
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  Speaker 2: to get dirty and hit with force. You know, he's
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  Speaker 2: got that profile. You know a lot of times when
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  Speaker 2: I when I'm I'm watching a guy, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: way I do it is I try to get a
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  Speaker 2: feel for what his athletic and physical profile is, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and I you know, I'll notice things early, but then
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  Speaker 2: as I keep going, it sort of really shows itself.
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  Speaker 2: So with him, I said size, length, physicality, play, speed, range, versatility, competitiveness.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he's got a really strong trades profile. So
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  Speaker 2: obviously played it Toledo, but that didn't seem to impact
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  Speaker 2: won Mitchell in his first year in the league. So,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to sit here and say
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  Speaker 2: he would need time. You never know. Then it comes
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  Speaker 2: down to the to the player. You know. I would
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  Speaker 2: imagine the Eagles brought him in.
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  Speaker 4: That's a good question.
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  Speaker 1: I thought they did, but I'm not one hundred percent sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I would think they did but again
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that for sure. But but you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot to like about this kid. There's not
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  Speaker 2: much not to like.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Greg, the next guy we're going to talk about
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  Speaker 3: played at three schools, New Mexico, Houston, and LSU.
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  Speaker 4: That's a J. Holsey from LSU.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he almost looks like a linebacker. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this guy is he's This guy's rocked up. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you know, probably not a true post safety
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  Speaker 2: just because of the way he's built. Not that he's
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  Speaker 2: not that he doesn't have any speed or anything, although
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  Speaker 2: his speed wasn't very good. But he's he's got you know,
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  Speaker 2: the way I described him in my notes, I said,
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  Speaker 2: he's a He has a muscled up frame and a
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  Speaker 2: dog mentality. That's kind of who he is. He's got
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  Speaker 2: an aggressive and competitive temperament. It showed up in his
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  Speaker 2: run defense. He attacked down hill, he dropped the hammer.
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  Speaker 2: He was one of those guys when he hits you,
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  Speaker 2: you knew he hit you. He drove on receivers, he
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  Speaker 2: delivered big hits in the middle of the field. He
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  Speaker 2: was a see it and go guy. I mean, when
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  Speaker 2: he saw it, he went and you know, somewhat like Thinneman.
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  Speaker 2: He's just not as good. You know, he had a
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  Speaker 2: very quick trigger, He had top down explosiveness. He could
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  Speaker 2: be a factor in the run game out. He does
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  Speaker 2: not possess the sideline to sideline range and recovery speed
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  Speaker 2: to be a post safety. That's not his game. I
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  Speaker 2: think in split safety coverages he can be effective. The
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  Speaker 2: guy that sort of came to mind when I watched him,
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  Speaker 2: and again, you guys know, I'll just repeat if people
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  Speaker 2: hearing this for the first time, that I don't sit
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  Speaker 2: around thinking, oh, who does a guy remind me of?
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: Which is either pops into my head or it doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: The guy that I kind of thought of watching him
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  Speaker 2: was talanoa Hufegna, you know, just really physical, you know,
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  Speaker 2: not a true post safety, but obviously can play there
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  Speaker 2: depending on you know, sometimes you have to do that.
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  Speaker 2: He you know, physical, aggressive, intense, competitive, drop the hammer,
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  Speaker 2: muscled up. That's what Halsey is. He'll be a Day
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  Speaker 2: two guy.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about a USC prospect, Kamari Ramsey.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's an interesting guy. He's he's was hurt this year,
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  Speaker 2: so you only played six or seven games. I ended
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: up watching him last summer, so I'm familiar with him.
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  Speaker 2: He played safety. He's another one of those guys that
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  Speaker 2: has a lot of snaps in safety, in slot corner.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's ultimately a safety. He moves well. He's
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  Speaker 2: an easy, controlled mover. Good athlete, you know, not a
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  Speaker 2: special athlete. Good athlete. I think he sees it well.
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  Speaker 2: I think he plays the game under control. You know,
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  Speaker 2: he's one of those guys that would not surprise me.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I'll be dead wrong. You know, it wouldn't be
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  Speaker 2: the first time, and I'm sure if I'm wrong, I'll
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  Speaker 2: be told what a moron I am. It's happened many
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  Speaker 2: times before, right, right, right, right. He could be a
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  Speaker 2: better pro than he is a college player, because I
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  Speaker 2: just think, you know, and I never I'm always leary
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  Speaker 2: of saying in the right scheme because I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how people see him. He coaches in the league. But
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  Speaker 2: I think he's just a fluid guy who sees it
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: well and could be a you know, could be a
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  Speaker 2: really nice player in the pros. Not a superstar, but
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  Speaker 2: like just a really solid foundational piece of your back
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  Speaker 2: end defense. All right.
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  Speaker 3: The next guy, I don't know if he's familiar with abacab,
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  Speaker 3: but that's Genesis Smith out of.
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  Speaker 2: Oh totally fail with Jenesis Smith. And you know, this
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  Speaker 2: is this is the time when I I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: try to be a nice guy. Genesis Smith is a
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  Speaker 2: fascinating guy in that he's long, he's fluid, he's athletic.
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  Speaker 2: He's a pure post safety because he is does not
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  Speaker 2: have any real interest in tackling and being physical. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm just being honest based on the tape. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know he's you know, he's that's not his game.
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  Speaker 2: He's he's very long, he's got light feet, very comfortable
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  Speaker 2: movement traits. To me, he's a post safety. You know,
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  Speaker 2: he's very fluid. But you know, he did not play
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  Speaker 2: with the desired physical element to his game. He may
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  Speaker 2: lack the natural strength you would like. You know, I
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: would never say a guy doesn't play hard, because I
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  Speaker 2: don't think that's the case. But you know, there's just
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  Speaker 2: not a competitive toughness to the way he played. That's
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  Speaker 2: not that's not who he is. And I don't think
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: that's all of a sudden who's going to be in
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  Speaker 2: the NFL.
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  Speaker 4: He's got great length, and that's that's not good.
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  Speaker 1: Say inches there on that wingspan.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and and he his vertical was forty two and
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  Speaker 2: a half. No, No, he can play. I'm gonna be
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  Speaker 2: fascinating to see where he gets drafted because he does
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: not really present any kind of physical presence, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in the run game. I mean, but on the back end, man,
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  Speaker 2: he's smooth, he's fluid, and he's over six too. I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he's that's what he is.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe change his positions to corner.
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  Speaker 3: Who knows, you know, oh you know we might as
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: you were talking, Greg, because I only know this because
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: I was watching tape with you and Jaws is remember
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: Stuart Schweigert.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, iowa sixty four like two point fifteen.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, great length, but he was not he would not
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  Speaker 4: tackle like you should. He wasn't physical enough, you know.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: I mean a lot of while there are big guys,
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: there's another guy like that who I remember and you'll
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: remember him as well. Do you remember Taylor may Is
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: that he usc Oh yeah, well.
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: Here's a super freak atholetice but not physical.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: I mean you'd expect him to be like a hammer,
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: and he wasn't. You know. There's you know, and again
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: I'm not I don't know if you can coach that.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: I have no idea, So I'm not going to take
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: a side because I have no idea. I don't know
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: if you can make Genesis Smith become a more physical player.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: I don't need the answer to that.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: You know, look at Rikullan, who the Eagles signed from Seattle.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's a long limp, but he's not a
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: great run defender. He comes off the field on first down,
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: you know he does for the Seattle So yeah, sometimes
• 16:31
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• 16:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you just don't know.
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• 17:35
  Speaker 3: There was one player we forgot to talk about with tackles.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: We do this like every year. There's a guy we
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: just Overlookedlake Miller offensive tackles. Yeah, Blake Miller from Clemson.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: I know this is a little bit switch up for you.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Blake Miller is to me a very polarizing player. I know,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: just from what I've seen, and again not that I
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: don't put a ton of stock in mock draft, but
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: you know, from what I've seen, he seems to be
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: a guy that could go in the first round. Blake
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Miller to me, I'll tell you the guy he reminded
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: me of. And and this guy played in the league
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: and actually he just retired, and you could say he
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: had a phenomenal career. He was not a high pick,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: but he had you could say he had a great career.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: He Blake Miller reminds me of like a Rob Havnstein.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: I think he's I think he's there's a lot to
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: like about him. But the way I would describe him
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: is his his good plays are really good and I
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: love you love the way he plays. That's gonna endear
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: him to to O line coaches because he's he battles,
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: he he almost plays like a guard, not and he's
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: not going to transition to guard. I'm not saying he should.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: He's going to be a right tackle without question, but
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: he plays almost like a guard. And that he's he's
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: so competitive and he battles and he fights and and
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: you love that. But his bad plays in past protection
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: are just really bad. Like and I had this conversation
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: with an O line coach and agreed on this, and
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: you know, in fact, the online coach said to me,
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I could draft him. He's just
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: bad plays are just too bad because you think about
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: one on one pass protection and you know, if you
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: can't really do that, it's it's hard to play tackle,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: you know. But you like the way the guy plays,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: you know, he's very aggressive and physical and battles his
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: ass off. I mean, he's one of those guys. And
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: by the way, he's a four year starter. I think
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: I read somewhere he never missed a practice. That means
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: something never missed a practice like fifty one or fifty
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: two career starts. You know, it's there's something to be
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: said for that. And see, now we just get into
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: where guys are drafted. Let's say you draft him in
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: the first round and he ends up being Rob Havenstein
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: and plays ten years as you're starting right tackle. People
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: might say, oh, well, they overdrafted him, you know, a
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: guy like having Stein was, But that becomes irrelevant. If
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: he's a ten year starter at right tackle, then then
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: it's worth it, you know. I mean, see that's the
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: thing people start with, Well, this guy's are reached that.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't know what all that stuff means.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: I'm not smart enough to know what that stuff means.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: It sounds like these guys, the guy Blake here is
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: maybe perfect for a certain like almost a shannaham mcvas
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: game where you're running a lot. You're you're not asked
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: to do pass pro for like you know, Andy Reid
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: in the nine.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: You don't want to ask him to do a ton
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: of vertical pass sets because I think you know that
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: would be an issue for him.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you help him out with play at working everything
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: all that.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yep, you're exactly right, You're one hundred percent right.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: But you know, that's the thing about the draft, just
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: as we wrap up this whole series, it's you know,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: and again we all do it all right, trying not
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: to Like, I never say a guy's are reached. That's
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: never in my vocabulary because when people say that, they're
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: saying that based on how they have evaluated the player.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: They have no idea how the team has evaluated the player. So,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: you know, and and and then if a guy ends
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: up like like let's say the Eagles draft, you know,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know McNeil Warren in the first round, and
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: somebody says, oh, you know, they could have gotten him
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: in the second round, or he would got forty best
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: best player on my board. That's a real you know,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: first of all, you don't know any of that, but
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: you know, if you love the player, and let's say
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: the Eagles see him as a guy based on meeting him,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: talking to him, the whole deal that they feel can
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: step right in from day one and start next to Macouba.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Then he's not a reach, you know. Then then he's
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: a player. You know that stuff doesn't mean anything to me.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: I'll give you one more so on the reach thing.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: So and look, but NFL people were telling me this
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: when the Raiders took Colt Miller in the first round.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: It was like, how dumb are the Raiders?
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Right? Right?
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Then he's turned out to be he was hurt last season.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: Actually a pretty good left tackle, but really long. Right,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: it's a project this guy almost like you said, oh,
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: you could have got this guy in the second or
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: third round.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: Well you don't know that, And well that's what he's.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: A great example. There's a there's a right tackle from
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Arizona State? Is it Arizona State? Max? I? I? Yeah, yeah,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: who only has played football for you know, three or
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: four years? Right. I really like his tape and I
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: think there's a ton there. I think he could be
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: a really good player. He may not be ready to
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: play right now, okay, because he hasn't played a ton
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: of football. So let's say you draft him and I
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: don't know where he's going to go. You know, you
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: see him on some first round mox again, whatever that means.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: But let's say you draft him. You know, let's say
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: the Eagles draft just for funn and games. He's not
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: going to be their starting right tackle this year. Okay,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: we know that. But let's say Lane plays this year
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: and retires, and then next year or the year after,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: this kid becomes a great player. Well, so you're going
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: to say that they reach for him. I mean, you know,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: there's a balance here. And I had this conversation with
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: a former GM and this is a great conversation to have.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: And as you guys keep talking about the draft because
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: you'll do more of your you know, of this stuff.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: There's a balance between what a guy is now because
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: he's twenty years two, twenty one years old, and what
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: you see him becoming. And fans struggle with that because they,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: particularly in the first couple of rounds, they want that
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: guy to be a starter and an all pro right away.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: And you know, sometimes that happens. You know, hey, sometimes
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: it does. But if a guy becomes a great player
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: down the road, you know, two three years down the road,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: then you know what, it's a pretty damn good draft pick,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: right And so there's a balance between what a guy
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: is at twenty years old or twenty one years old,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: and what he can become a twenty three or twenty
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: four or twenty five.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Right, yep, hey, But since we're just throwing quickly, Jolly
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Kilgore from South Carolina.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Did you see him? Because I did it the Eagles. Yeah,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: he's he's a traits player because the way he was
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: used you didn't see. He didn't get a lot of action,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: so to speak. Yeah, I had to watch a lot
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: of games and I still came away feeling like I
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: wasn't exactly sure what this guy is as a player.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: But he's got great traits. He's big, he can run,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: he played slot, he played corner. Excuse me, he played safety,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: slot and safety. I would probably see him as his safety,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: but again that comes down to how people evaluate, you know,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: for their team. Couldn't now there's a guy that could fill,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: in my view, the M and Warry role if you
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: want to go big Nickel. But yeah, he just did.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Some guys you watch and you watch and you watch,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: and the way they're deployed in college, you just don't see.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: It's like Cante Scott didn't play a lot of man.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: My guess is he's capable of it. But I didn't
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: see it, you know, right, which means other teams didn't
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: see it either. You know, teams didn't see it. So
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: you know now you're you're projecting based on his athletic traits.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Awesome, and one last leftover guy, I don't know if
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: we did this wide receiver from Cincinnati, Jeff Caldwell.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: AH six five ran a four to three three.
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: I mean, he's he really is so unrefined as a
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: route where he literally to run routes and try to
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: break down, would take five steps and literally drop his
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: whole by, like you know exactly when he was gonna
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: have to break.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: But he's six' five plus and he can. Run so you,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: know those, guys they're a. Crapshoot you, know you get
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: excited because of the, speed but you, know think of
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: it this. Way how many times do guys who run
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: super fast just come in the league and start running by.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: People look At Xavier. Worthy he's been with The chiefs
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: for two. YEARS i was sitting in the, combine you,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: know and it's when here in the four to two to, one,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Okay and he's not been a vertical dimension for The
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: chiefs through two, years you. Know and it's not because
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: the quarterback can't make the, throws you, Know, SO i,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: mean you JUST i always struggle with. That just because
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: a receiver runs fast that automatically doesn't mean that he's
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: going to run by people in THE.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: Nfl, Right Hollywood, Brown Hollywood brown was elite. SPEED i don't,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: know he's a smaller. Guy we haven't seen enough of
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: that from.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Him, yeah a lot of that is because of the
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: way teams are defending now as. Well you, know they're
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: not letting you be no. Question all, right great, Stuff,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Greg thank you so. Much it's been an awesome podcast
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: series previewing every single position in all the top prospects
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: at each. Position and then after the draft is, done
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: we'll have you go back and do a little intel
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: for us on.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Then then we'll then, well you, know then we'll start
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: grading every team's draft that you, know you probably got
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: to do That sunday morning at the you, know at the,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: latest because you know everybody will know the.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: Answer we're doing It saturday.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: Night, yeah we're getting That friday exactly.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Exactly all, right awesome, Stuff thanks. GUYS i really appreciate,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: it definitely.
• 26:35
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