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045 - Secret Lives of Mormon Wives S4 E1 · Reality Hits Mat

• Michelle Harris: Welcome back to Reality Hits Matt. I'm your host, Michelle. And I'm Matt. We are finally here. Season four, episode one of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Mat: And I'm Matt. We are finally here. one of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Yeah, I feel like we haven't talked about the secret lives of Mormon Wives for a while. We've had a good little break. Dad talk at Michelle Harris: It's been a good little break. Mat: the villa. Let's marry Harry. It's been a lot. So hopefully I can remember who these people are. Michelle Harris: Yeah. It's been a lot. Yeah. my gosh, you'll remember who these people are. Tell me about it. All right, so season four, episode one, starts with a quick little montage Mat: Alright, well tell me about it. Alright, so season four, episode one, starts with a quick little montage. Michelle Harris: of past drama and there's a flashback to two years ago showing how the girls started and how they were changing the Mormon ways and the way people view women in the Mormon church. Mat: the girls started and how they were changing the Mormon ways and the way people view women in the Mormon church. Michelle Harris: and it included the backlash that they received. It then shows a flash forward to of the season. Jen's saying Zach is officially not going to medical school. Michaela and Jace seem to be doing worse than ever. The girls are fighting more than ever, and of course there's Mat: and it included the backlash that they received. It then shows a flash forward to of the season. Jen saying Zach is officially not going to medical school. The girls are fighting more than ever and Of course there's Michelle Harris: Dakota and Taylor drama picks back up right before she leaves for the Bachelorette. really? Mat: really? Michelle Harris: Yes. So Mat: Geez. How is this still a thing? Michelle Harris: it kind of is like turned from let's teach people about Mormonism to here's our shit show. So there's a new intro, dare I say, in my opinion, the worst intro we've had. Mat: And what a shit show it is. So there's a new intro, dare I say, in my opinion, the worst intro we've had. Michelle Harris: don't understand the camera angles. in all of the seasons leading up the first three, there's always a shot with them walking hand in hand. Mat: leading up the first three, there's always a shot with them walking hand in hand. this one it's like they show that Michelle Harris: this one it's like they show that shot and it's their backs and they're like already off camera. So I'm like I'm just confused. Yeah. So I'm like Mat: and it's their backs and they're like already off camera. So I'm like, I'm just controlling. They were probably fighting through it, so they're like, Alright, this is all we got. Just use that. Michelle Harris: don't understand what's happening and the the one thing that kind of threw me off was Demi is not in it at all. so Mat: Okay. Michelle Harris: I think that kind of is a precursor to her involvement in this season. Okay. Mat: Okay. Michelle Harris: We start in Pravo, Utah and Taylor is moving out of her house and Chase is there helping her. So t as a reminder, we left off season three and then subsequently the reunion where Taylor and Chase had this like quasi date. Yeah, yeah. And no one really knows what's going on and even at the reunion they're like, Well, I guess you'll have to like chime in to see And Miranda Mat: We start in Bravo, Utah, and Taylor is moving out of her house and Chase is there helping her. So as a reminder, we left off season three and then subsequently the reunion where Taylor and Chase have this like quasi date. Yeah, yeah. And no one really knows what's going on, and even the reunion they're like, Well, I guess you'll have to like chime in to see and Miranda Michelle Harris: during the reunion was like, you know, I didn't really realize what that day entailed. So I didn't really know what was going on. Mat: what that day Right. So I didn't really know what was going on. Okay. Michelle Harris: So Chase is helping Taylor move out and Taylor says that ever since Chase apologized their friendship has blossomed. Taylor says that the house has a lot of memories with her Mat: So Chase is helping Taylor move out and Taylor says that ever since Chase apologized their friendship has blossomed. Okay. Taylor says that the house has a lot of memories with her Michelle Harris: and Dakota and it's time for her to move on. So this is the house that they brought Ever home in and kinda where they had most of their relationship. So she's just ready for new beginnings. Taylor in an interview says that things with her and Dakota are not good and less communication between the two of them is better. Mat: Dakota and it's time for her to move on. So this is the house that they brought ever home in and kind of where they had most of their relationships. Right. Okay. Taylor in an interview says that things with her and Dakota are not good and less communication between the two of them is better. Okay. And she's just focusing on how to be the best co parent for ever that she can be, but it's not good for them to be interacting with one. Right. Okay. Michelle Harris: And she's just focusing on how to be the best co-parent for ever that she can be, but it's not good for them to be interacting with one another. Okay. Mat: Chase asks Taylor if she is open to someone she has already known or she wants someone new. Okay. Hey. Yeah, like hey, I'm over here. Michelle Harris: Chase asks Taylor if she is open to someone she has already known or if she wants someone new. So he's basically like Would you Yeah, like, hey, I'm over here. Taylor says she's open minded. Taylor calls Chase out for liking blondes because his ex girlfriend and Miranda are both blondes. And Chase says that his current crush is not blonde and he thinks Taylor probably knows her. Wink wink wink. Okay. Mat: Okay. And Chase says that his current crush is not blonde and he thinks Taylor probably knows her. Michelle Harris: Chase in an interview says that he would date Taylor in a heartbeat. Taylor says it would never work out between the two of them. It cuts to Michaela and Macy. Producers are asking Mikaela what's been going on since they last filmed. Michaela says that she's not pregnant anymore. Mat: Chase in an interview says that he would date Taylor in a heartbeat. Taylor says it would never work out between the two of them. Mm-hmm. It cuts to Michaela and Macy. Producers are asking Mikaela what's been going on since they last filmed. Michaela says that she's not pregnant anymore. Michelle Harris: And since having her daughter L Lottie, I think her name is Lottie. Lottie, she has been going through a skin flare-up again. Mat: And since having her daughter Lottie, I think her name's Lottie. Lottie, she's been going through a skin flare-up again. She says she's been trying to focus on her health and her marriage because they're still struggling with intimacy issues. Okay. Michaela says that Macy and Jen are planning a sippancy for their newborn, so keep in mind that Jen and Macy also had kids right around the time Michaela did. So Penelope, who is Jen's daughter, Michelle Harris: She says she's been trying to focus on her health and her marriage because they're still struggling with intimacy issues. Michaela says that Macy and Jen are planning a sippency for their newborns. So keep in mind that Jen and Macy also had kids right around the time Michaela did. So Penelope, who is Jen's daughter, Mat: daughter, Charlie who is Maisie's daughter, and Lodi who is Michelle Harris: Charlie, who is Macy's daughter, and Lodi, who is Michaela's daughter. A sippency? Yeah. Mat: Michaela's daughter. A sip and sea? Yeah. Like y'all just hang and And meet the babies. What's the sip? Michelle Harris: And meet the babies. Mat: Like Mocktails. Mocktails? Dirty sodas? Okay. Alright. Sip a sip and see. I mean, Michaela's husband drink. Yeah. Michelle Harris: Mocktails. Mocktails. Dirty sodas. Slash alcohol. I mean some of them drink. Alright. Sip a sippency. I mean Jace Michaela's husband drinks. Jacob macy's husband does not drink. Yeah. I don't know. Sippency is just They said that they saw it online Mat: Yeah. I don't know. Sippency. It's just it's the first time I've heard that. Yeah. Okay. All right. They said that they saw it. Michelle Harris: and they thought it was a cute idea, so they're doing it. Mat: Okay. Macy and Michaela call Jen. Jen tells the girls that she is inviting Whitney. The girls ask if she's gonna invite Demi and she goes, no, no, no, no Then Macy says, Well we are and it flashes to like all the Demi and Marciano Michelle Harris: Macy and Michaela call Jen. Jen tells the girls that she is inviting Whitney. The girls ask if she's gonna invite Demi and she goes, no, no, no, no, no. Then Macy says, Well, we are and it flashes to like all the Demi and Marciano drama, which I'm like, Okay, we're over it. By now we know Mat: Ha ha. Michelle Harris: what's going on. Macy says she hopes that there's not drama at the party because the focus should really be on the babies. It cuts to the scene with Jen on the phone and Zach's just behind her on the couch holding their newborn and he has like a cowboy hat on and Jen is like talking to them, being like, Well, I don't want her there, all this stuff, but then it seems like Macy and McKill are like, No, we're gonna invite her, she'll be there. Okay. Mat: Okay. Jen is like talking to them, being like, Well, I don't want her there, all this stuff, but then it seems like Macy and the killer are like, No, we're her, she'll be there. Okay, interesting. We go to Jesse's house, Jesse says her and Jordan are doing better than they were, but the cycle still isn't overnight and I'm like, Are you really doing Michelle Harris: We go to Jesse's house. Jesse says her and Jordan are doing better than they were, but the cycle still isn't fixed overnight. And I'm like, Are you really doing better? Mat: better? Michelle Harris: Jordan brings up Vanderpump Villa to Jesse and how the producers asked who's single and who's not. Jordan in an interview says the guys would joke about going to the villa, so he talked to his managers and the next day they got the call saying that they were invited. Okay. Mat: brings up Vanderpunk Villa to Jesse and how the producers asked who's single and who's not. Jordan in an interview says the guys would joke about going to the villa, so he talked to his managers and the next day they got the call saying that they were invited. Okay. Michelle Harris: Jordan says a year ago he would have been opposed to going. Jesse asked why he wants to go now, and Jordan says he's not gonna give up an opportunity for himself or dad talk as a whole. like building up to them going. Yes. And this was like the whole, like when I said it's weird that he's like, we're here to stand on our own. And even I said like Mat: Asks why he wants to go now, and Jordan says he's not gonna give up an opportunity for himself or dad talk as a whole. So this is like building up to them going there. Okay. This was like the whole, like when I said it's weird that he's like, we're here to stand on our own. Yeah, yeah. Like, but you're you're just following done. Right. This is weird, like you're just piggybacking out, like yeah, those were the thoughts I already. Michelle Harris: But you're you're just following what they've already done and this is weird. Like you're just piggybacking out like that those were the thoughts I already had. And then this this first episode just solidified that for me. I was like, You clearly can't do anything on your own to set yourself Mat: Yeah, you're only relevant because of the episode just to let it find you clearly can't do anything on your own to set yourself. Michelle Harris: apart from mom talk. You're just gonna ride their wave because that's what you've always done. Mat: Yeah. Right, right. Michelle Harris: Jordan in an interview says that dad talk is a lot funnier than mom talk and they have their own place on social media. Okay. All right then. He says it just shows Mat: Okay. All right then. He says it just shows Michelle Harris: our wives don't have the monopoly on social media. This whole thing I'm like monopoly, they're the only one. Mat: This hole The Monopoly, they're the only ones on there? Michelle Harris: A they don't have a monopoly and B they put you in the spotlight. They started this and you're you're not giving the credit Mat: Yeah. They started this and you're you're not giving the credit. Michelle Harris: that any of them deserve and like that to me is like so disgusting. Like you Mat: Yeah, yeah. Michelle Harris: were known to the public because of your wife. So just acknowledge that. Mat: Yeah. Michelle Harris: Jesse asks Mat: Jesse Oswald. Michelle Harris: what happens if like a truth or dare game gets brought up 'cause she's like, you know, you're going and you said that you you're just gonna have a fun time. You wanna stand on business, but like, why would you go? They try to like entice these kind of games out of you. That's why all the drama with us got brought up. So what happens if a truth or dare game gets brought up while you're there because that's what happens. And Jordan says, What you guys did last year was inappropriate and I don't plan on doing anything inappropriate. Mat: If like a truth or dare game gets brought up, she's like, you know, you're going and you said that you you're just gonna have a fun time, you wanna stand on business, but why would you go? They try to like entice these kind of games out of you, that's why all the drama with us got brought up. Right. So what happens if a truth or dare game gets brought up while you're there? Because that's what happens. And Jordan says, What you guys did last year was inappropriate, and I don't plan on doing anything inappropriate. Okay. Michelle Harris: Again, like it's just constant from him, like I'm better than you, I'm gonna do this better, this is for me, like no, like Mat: It's just constant from him like I'm better than this. Yeah. I'm gonna do this better. This is for me. Like no like Michelle Harris: god, he just I hate him. I hate him, Mat: Yeah. Michelle Harris: I don't like him. So Jesse says that they're working on rebuilding trust. Mat: So Jesse says that they're working on rebuilding trust. Okay. She doesn't think it's a good idea for him to go, because what if one of the single girls hits on him? And then he interrupts her and goes, Well, they are gonna hit on me. None of them did, you're weird. And they all felt you were weird. Michelle Harris: She doesn't think it's a good idea for him to go because what if one of the single girls hits on him and then he interrupts her and goes, Well, they are gonna hit on me. Let me correct you, Jordan. None of them did. You're weird. And they all thought you were weird. Jesse says it worries her that this trip is gonna trigger him into like Mat: So like Michelle Harris: that social crazy like back into where they were before. Okay. Mat: Yeah, yeah. Michelle Harris: Miranda goes over to Layla's house. Miranda says she's finally putting herself into dating after her relationship with Jake ended. So Jake was the one that she brought to the Halloween party. He's kind of been like in the background, not really part of the show, but like whenever there's a plus one thing she would bring him. So they had been dating for a little bit and I guess like six months ago they broke up. So she's finally kind of putting herself out there again. Mat: So Jake was the one that she brought to the Halloween party. He was like in the background, not really part of the show, but whatever there's a plus one thing she'd bring in. Okay. So they had been dating for a little bit and I guess like six months ago they broke up, so she's finally kind of putting herself out there again. Michelle Harris: As a reminder, Layla is dating Mason. Layla says that things are great and he loves her for who she is, what she hasn't experienced in the past. In the past she's been in relationships and she feels like she's tried to change herself for that person. Mat: As a reminder, Layla is dating Mason. Layla says that things are great and he loves her for who she is, what she hasn't experienced in the past in the past she's been in relationships and she feels like she's tried to change herself for that person. Okay, right. Michelle Harris: Miranda asks Layla if his family, Mason's family, knows that she's also dated his brother Chase. Yeah. Layla jokes that they have to know because it's been on the show and then he g then she very sarcastically goes, and their dad's next It was it made me f it made me laugh out loud. It was a very sarcastic, like funny joke of like, yeah, everyone knows what's going on. Mat: Miranda asks Layla if his family, Mason's family, knows that she's also dated his brother Tadeus. Yeah. Layla jokes that they have to know because it's been on the show and then he very sarcastically goes, and their dad's next My God. It was it maybe laugh a lot. It was a very sarcastic, like funny joke of like, yeah, everyone knows what's going on. Right. Layla brings up the dinner that Taylor and Chase had at the end of season three. Right. Layla calls it a date. So basically Mason was like, Yeah, they went on a date. Layla's like, I don't know if Miranda knows that it's a date, I'm gonna bring it up to her. So Miranda is like, It was that a date? And Layla goes, I think so Michelle Harris: Layla brings up the dinner that Taylor and Chase had at the end of season three. Layla calls it a date. So basically Mason was like, Yeah, they went on a date. Layla's like, I don't know if Miranda knows that it's a date. I'm gonna bring it up to her. So Miranda's second guess is like, It was that a date? And Layla goes, I think so Miranda says Chase presented it like the two of them grabbed a coffee in order to put water under the bridge. Miranda says that there were already underlying issues and trust issues with Taylor stemming from when they had the fallout of their original friendship. Mat: Miranda says Chase presented it, like the two of them grabbed a coffee in order to put water under the bridge. Miranda says that there were already underlying issues and trust issues with Taylor stemming from when they had the fallout of their original friendship. Okay, right. Miranda says she doesn't have an issue, like and then like they kind of bring up like, well, people online are like, Well, why isn't Miranda mad at Layla for dating Chase? Miranda points out that she didn't have an issue with Layla dating Chase because they weren't close. Michelle Harris: Miranda says she doesn't have an issue, like and then like they kinda bring up like, well, people online are like, Well, why isn't Miranda mad at Layla for dating Chase? Miranda points out that she didn't have an issue with Layla dating Chase because they weren't close at the time that they like hung out. okay. so Miranda's like at that point you were just we were divorced and he was dating. Like y I didn't know you. Then she came back into the group. Mat: at the time that they like hung out. okay. so Miranda's like at that point you were just we were and he was dating. Like I didn't know you. Right. Then she came back into the group and met Layla. And he wasn't Michelle Harris: Right. And he wasn't her husband. So he was like but there's a pass but with Taylor things got messy when he was her husband. So she's like, That's my issue is like th there was a gray lines crossed when we were married, we got divorced, you dated him, we were not together, you have the right to do that. I didn't even know you weren't my friend, you didn't owe me anything. Then we got to know one another. Mat: Right, but there's a past with Taylor. Taylor yeah things got messy when he was her husband. Mm-hmm. So she was like, That's my issue is like th there was gray lines crossed when we were married, we got divorced, you dated him, we were not together, you have the right to do that. I didn't even know you friend, you didn't owe me anything. Right, yeah. Then we got divorced together. Yeah. And so there's definitely that kind of like iffiness with Miranda. Michelle Harris: And so there's definitely that kind of like iffiness with Miranda where she's like, I should be able to trust Taylor now that we've moved past this, but now I feel like it's shitty to hear about this from someone else. And she like breaks down and gets emotional and cries. And this is the first time I've seen her cry like on TV or get emotional. She's usually pretty like level headed and tough. so this definitely is affecting her because sh it's trigging her. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Mat: should be able to trust Taylor now that we've moved past this, but now I feel like it's shitty to hear about this from someone else and she like breaks down and gets emotional and this is the first time I've seen her cry like on T V or get emotional. She's usually pretty like level headed and tough. so this definitely is affecting her because sh it's triggering her. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Michelle Harris: Miranda said she would have expected to hear more from Taylor as a friend than Chase in this moment. So she's like, I feel like I'm owed more from Taylor because of our friendship, whereas Chase is just a co parent to my children. And we don't have a relationship right now. she doesn't want to allow them the same emotional headspace that she gave them in the past. And she feels like Taylor should have had an honesty with her that she didn't get in the past from Taylor. So she Mat: said she would have expected to hear more from Taylor as a friend than Chase in this moment. So she's like, I feel like I'm owed more from Taylor because of our friendship, whereas Chase is just a co parent to my children. Right. So we don't have a relationship right now. she doesn't want to allow them the same emotional headspace that she gave them in the past. And she feels like Taylor should have had an honesty with her, that she didn't get in the past from Taylor. So she Michelle Harris: She is just upset that Taylor didn't tell her that level of what that interaction was versus what Chase made it out to be. Okay. Mat: is just upset that Taylor didn't tell her that level what that Michelle Harris: We go to the triple sippency. Triple sippency. That's what I'm s that's what I'm calling it. The triple sippency. All right. And all of mom talk is invited. Whitney shows up, Whitney says that tomorrow Mat: Sippency. Triple sippency. Triple sippency. Alright and all of mom talk is invited. Whitney shows up. Whitney says that tomorrow Michelle Harris: her and Connor are moving to LA for dancing with the stars. okay. Mat: okay. She says that she never thought her and Michaela would ever be able to touch one another yet alone be in the same room and you see them when they come in and she gives her a hug and they're talking and interacting. So Whitney's just seeing the light at the end of this tunnel her and Michaela. Right. Michelle Harris: She says that she never thought her and Michaela would ever be able to touch one another yet alone be in the same room and you see them when they come in and she gives her a hug and they're talking and interacting. So Whitney is just seeing the light at the end of this tunnel with her and Michaela and just like the fact that their friendship has grown and, you know, evolved and they've come a long way. Yeah. It's kind of funny that dancing with the stars. Mat: grown and you know evolved and they've a long way. Yeah. It's kinda funny that Dancing with the Stars is starting in episode one of season four and it just started like the next season just started a couple weeks ago. Yeah. That you've been watching. So it's kinda funny. Keep it Michelle Harris: Starting in episode of season four. Yeah. And it just started, like the next season just started a couple weeks ago. Yeah. Yeah. And keep in mind so they're f their film like she's about to start filming Dancing with the Stars. Season three has not been released out to the public. Mat: So they're f they're film like she's about to start filming Dancing with the Stars. Season three has not been released yet to the public. right. God does three was released while she was filming Dancing with the Stars people believe led to her elimination. okay. People didn't like the fact that she just returned for Dancing Stars. right, okay. Michelle Harris: Season three was released while she was filming Dancing with the Stars, which people believe led to her elimination. okay. Because people didn't like the fact that she just returned for Dancing with the Stars. right. Okay. Mat: and then when season four came out, a lot of Michelle Harris: And then when season four came out, a lot of light was shed on her journey and the issues she had with Jen and all the stuff. And people were like, shit, we've supported the wrong like we h we backed the wrong person, basically. So it's very like interesting, like the the public perception when like I was watching it and everyone was like hating on her, like hating on her. And then this is being filmed and like all the girls now like what Mat: Shed on her journey and the issues she had with Jen and all this stuff, and people were like, shit, we still wanted to wrong person. Yeah, yeah. It's very like interesting, like the the public perception when like I was watching it and everyone was like hating on her. Yeah, yeah. And then this is being filmed, and like all the girls now like Whitney Michelle Harris: Whitney again and they're like and it's like now that now that all Mat: again. Yeah, yeah. Now that now that Michelle Harris: the girls like Whitney again, everyone's like, she's not that bad. And it's like Mat: Yeah. Michelle Harris: I've been a supporter since day one. You Mat: You have. Michelle Harris: have anyway, let's get back into it. So Miranda shows up. Miranda says that she's excited to see the babies, but she is nervous about seeing Taylor. Demi and Brett show up. Okay. Zach asks Jen who invited them, and Jen goes, not me. Mat: Anyway, let's get back into it. So Miranda shows up. Miranda says that she's excited to see the babies, but she is nervous about seeing Taylor. Demi and Brett show up. Okay. Zach asks Jen who invited them, and Jen goes, Not me. Jen says that she's shocked that the other Michelle Harris: Jen says that she's shocked that the other girls allowed her to come back into mom talk after everything that's gone on. At that point they play a game where they hook the dads up to like one of those like cramp simulators. Okay. Jacob and Zach are complete babies about it. Like instantly are they like, This is like painful and then Jace is like hanging in there and like apparently Mat: At that point they play a game where they hook the dads up to like one of those like cramp simulators. Okay. Jacob and Zach are complete babies about it. Like instantly are they like, This is like painful. Yeah. And then Jace is like hanging in there and like a Michelle Harris: she's like, I put it all the way up and like He's just sitting there like, Yeah, this is uncomfortable, but it's fine. Mat: He's just sitting there like, Yeah, this is uncomfortable. Michelle Harris: I've always wanted to do that to you to see like compare the levels. Mat: Well right then. Michelle Harris: Jordan and Jesse show up. Jordan is telling Taylor that he wants Dakota to move on. he says that Dakota won't, Mat: telling Taylor that he wants Dakota to move on. he says that Dakota won't Michelle Harris: but Jordan tried. At that point, Miranda walks in and interrupts and pulls Taylor for a chat. Mat: At that point Miranda walks in and interrupts and pulls Taylor for a chat. Miranda immediately confronts Taylor about how Layla explained that her and Chase met up for more of a date than a coffee meetup. Right. And Taylor kinda like looks like, What? But then Taylor kinda takes a step back and then says that there's there's nothing there and she wouldn't date him or do that to Miranda. Michelle Harris: Miranda immediately confronts Taylor about how Layla explained that her and Chase met up for more of a date than a coffee meetup. And Taylor kinda like looks like, What? but then Taylor kinda takes a step back and then says that there's there's nothing there and she wouldn't date him or do that to Miranda. She says that she understands why this would be triggering for her and Miranda says that she hopes that they can both put this behind them and that they can have just like a fun single girl era. Right. Okay. And Mat: She says that she understands why this would be triggering for her and Miranda says that she hopes that they can both put this behind them and that they can have just like a fun single girl era. Right, okay. And Michelle Harris: I immediately think that Taylor is telling the truth. Like she is flirtatious, but she's just flirtatious with a lot of people. Right. Mat: I immediately think that Taylor is telling the truth. Like she is flirtatious, but she's just flirtatious with a lot of people. Right. Michelle Harris: And she is like in interview saying it would never work with Chase and and telling Chase like, you know, like I'm not your type, like we're friends, like all this stuff. So I do think this is like a little bit more one sided from Chase, whereas like if Taylor gave in, like, Chase would be all in, but like Taylor's kinda like, Nah. Mat: And she is like in interview saying never work with Chase. Well, that's what you were saying. Yeah, like you know, like I'm your type, like we're friends. Like, yeah. Yeah. I do think this is like a little bit more one sided from Chase, whereas like if Taylor gave in, like, Chase would be all in. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Michelle Harris: At this point the girls bring everyone outside for a butterfly release to symbolize a new beginning with all the babies. Okay. As Mikaela's getting ready to release these butterflies, Jordan interrupts and says, Can I go first? And everyone's like, Go first in what manner? Like no one we're not taking turns. Do they all have butterflies? No. No, just Mikaela is holding a box of butterflies. Mat: to symbolize a new beginning with all the babies. Okay. As Mikaela's getting ready to release these butterflies, Jordan interrupts and says, Can I go first? And everyone's like, go first in what manner? Like no one we're not taking turns. Do they all have butterflies to release? Okay. So what just Mikael is holding a box of butterflies. And she's getting ready to release butterfly. Yeah, so what's he go what's the go first then? To announce that the dad talk men have been invited to Vanderbilt. Hold on, let me interrupt this whole Michelle Harris: And she's getting ready to release said butterflies. So what's he go what's the first then? To announce that the Dad Talk men have been invited to Vanderpump Villa. That is the go first. Hold on, let me interrupt this phone. Mat: sip and see butterfly release. Jesse's face looks so Michelle Harris: And supply release. Jessie's face looks so embarrassed and so checked out. And she's like, my god. Like you can just think like you know when you people zone out and they're like, What the hell is happening? What is going like that's her face during this whole thing was like He says that him, Zach, Connor, Mason, Chase, Jace, and Jacob are all invited to Vanderbunt Villa along with Dakota. So Brett's standing there. Brett's not included in this group. Okay. Mat: He says that him, Zach, Connor, Mason, Chase, Jace, and Jacob are all invited to Vanderbutt Villa along with Dakota. So Brett's standing there. Brett's not included in this. Yeah, okay. Jordan tells the group that it would be great for dad talk to stand on their own feet and not at the heels of mom talk. That was a quote. The heels. Jesse then does interrupt and goes. Michelle Harris: Jordan tells the group that it'll be great for dad talk to stand on their own feet and not at the heels of mom talk. That was a quote, heels of mom talk. Jesse then does interrupt and goes, Well, Mat: Well, technically it is at the heels of what we already did. And Jordan ignores that and says, It would be a great opportunity and Michaela goes, What opportunity? And Jordan says, Well, why did you go? So when she's just like, What opportunity are you looking to get? Yeah. He goes, Well, why did you go? And she goes, To get a free Michelle Harris: technically it is at the heels of what we d already did. And Jordan ignores that and says, It would be a great opportunity. And Michaela goes, What opportunity? And Jordan says, Well, why did you go? So when she's just like, What opportunity are you looking to get? Yeah. He goes, Well, why did you go? And she goes, To get a free Mat: trip Europe and he goes, Well, there you go. And she's like, That's not at all you said, like we get a free trip to go, like, Michelle Harris: trip to Europe and he goes, Well there you go. And she was like that's not at all what you said like we get a free trip, like let's go, like let's go have fun. You said an opportunity. What's your opportunity? Yeah. Mat: An opportunity. What's your opportunity? Yeah. Michelle Harris: Bro is just pissing me off left and right. Whitney says that she does not want Connor to go because why put yourself in that position? Which Whitney didn't go. okay. So I think she's just like overall like I don't like that atmosphere. Yeah. Okay. Macy says basically she feels the same way as Whitney, but why not get a free trip to England if Jacob wants to go? So Mat: Whitney didn't go. okay. So I think she's just like overall like I don't like that atmosphere. Yeah, okay. Macy says basically she feels the same way as Whitney, but why not get a free trip to England if Jacob wants to go? Yeah, okay. So while she's like this isn't like the best atmosphere, like if he wants to go get a free trip to England, I'll go get a free trip to Yeah, okay. Michelle Harris: While she's like this isn't like the best atmosphere, like if he wants to go get a free trip to England, like go get a free trip to England. Okay. Miranda says that she's single, so she won't lose any sleep about this, but she is nervous for the other girls. Okay. And Jen is wondering, will dad talk survive this? Because this is kinda what threw mom talk into a tailspin. Mat: Miranda says that she's single, so she won't lose any sleep about this, but she is nervous for doing it. Okay. And Jen is wondering, will dad talk survive this is kind of what threw mom talk and yeah, it started a lot of drama. Yeah. At this point they then release the butterflies. Perfect moment, yeah. Are they just like flying around, Jordan? This is about Michelle Harris: At this point they then released the butterflies after all of that. And like Macy's like flying around. Macy was like, This is about a butterfly release for New Beginnings, not about your dad talk trip, Jordan. Mat: Ha ha ha. Michelle Harris: Like shut the fuck up. We cut to dad talk going to get custom suits fitted for the villa. And at this point Connor shows up, which I was surprised because we know Connor doesn't go. Okay. But he was invited. But he was invited. He was invited. Mat: Okay, but he was invited. You said that he was invited. Okay. He was Michelle Harris: Jordan says it will be interesting to see who actually is down to come to Lilla because there is a lot of wives that are Mat: invited. Jordan says it will be interesting to see who actually is down to come to Lilla because there is a lot of wives that are Michelle Harris: controlling. Mat: Ha ha. Michelle Harris: Dakota, you are controlling. The rest of them, I don't know. Chase said that him and Mason were reached out to by the villa. Chase says he immediately called Mason, said, Dude, we're going. said it's a little sticky with him having a girlfriend, but it will be fine and they're just gonna have a lot of fun. He's just viewing this as a a free ride to England. Like he just wants to go have a great time with his brother. Like that's all he wants to do. Mat: Alright. Chase said that him and Mason were reached out to by the villa. Chase says he immediately called Mason and said, Dude, we're going. said it's a little sticky with him having a girlfriend, but it will be fine and they're just gonna have a lot of fun. Okay. He was just viewing this as a a free ride to Hughes. Yeah, yeah. Okay. He just wants to go have a great time with his brother. Right. That's all he wants to do. Okay. Michelle Harris: Jordan asked Chase if he's ready to be like if Mason is ready to be a father figure with Layla's kid. Chase says that Mason doesn't think that far ahead, but he is a very loyal guy. So keep in mind that he said that, like Cha like Mason is a loyal guy. That comes up a little bit later. Not in a bad way, but like just comes up. Okay. Mat: Jordan asked Chase if he's ready to be like if Mason is ready to be a father figure of Layless Kid. Chase says that Mason doesn't think that far ahead, but he is a very loyal guy. Okay. Keep in mind that he said that, like Cha like Mason is a loyal guy. That comes up a little bit later. Not in a bad way, but like just comes up. Okay. Michelle Harris: Jacob says Jordan is really eager and more eager than anyone else to go to the v like like almost too eager to go to the villa. Like Jacob's like, this is weird. He goes, This is a scene for single people and my first reaction was not to go because, you know, their baby is six weeks old. This is not the scene that he's really used to. He doesn't drink. Mat: Jacob says Jordan is really eager and more eager than anyone else to go to the like like almost too eager to go to the Yeah. Like Jacob's like, This is weird. He goes, This is a scene for single people and my first reaction was not to go because, you know, their baby is six weeks old. Yeah. This is not the scene that he's really used to. He doesn't drink. Michelle Harris: so he's like, I I don't know. Like this isn't for me, but he said Macy did nudge me and she encouraged me to go and he doesn't think it's a good idea at all, but I like he's like probably gonna go. Like so I guess Macy encouraged him to go have a good time. Mat: So he's like I I don't know. Like for me. But he said Macy did nudge me and she encouraged me to go and he doesn't think it's a good idea at all, but I like he's like probably gonna go. So I guess Macy encouraged him to go. Right, right, okay. Michelle Harris: They asked Connor if he's going. He says that he would love to have a guy's trip, but personally he doesn't want to associate himself with people like Marcy Lago. I'm like, did you just like make up that nickname or did you just not know how to pronounce his name? He says he worries that Marciana will trigger Jordan and it will turn into a shit show. Jordan says he's not that guy anymore. Mat: They ask Connor if he's going. He says that he would love to have a guy's trip, but personally he doesn't want to associate himself with people like Marcy Lago. Sometimes did you just like think about that name, or did you just not know how to pronounce his name? He says he worries that Marciano will trigger Jordan and it will turn into a shit show. Jordan says he's not that guy anymore. Right. Okay. Michelle Harris: Jordan says he's only going out there so that guys can have a fun time and Connor just immediately just isn't buying this. He's like which Mat: Yeah, right. Michelle Harris: good on him because we know the whole show was about him and Marciano when the T V wasn't on Mat: Yeah, absolutely. Michelle Harris: him or the drama wasn't on him, he went to go find Marciano. Like like the whole Mat: Yeah. Michelle Harris: show was about him and Marciano. We go to LA and Connor and Whitney are moving into their new Airbnb house in LA for Dancing with the Stars. this Airbnb is gorgeous. It's like this like almost Spanish old Hollywood vibe with like the arches, like it's beautiful. Mat: this like almost Spanish old Hollywood vibe. Yeah, okay. Beautiful. Michelle Harris: And it comes out that Zack and Jen haven't found a place yet to live while they're starting their journey out there. And Zach says he spent over 100 hours looking for a place and couldn't find one. Mat: And it comes out that Zack and Jen haven't found a place yet to live while they're starting their journey out there. And Zack says he spent over one hundred hours looking for a place and couldn't find one. Michelle Harris: And it cuts to like a scene where Whitney and Connor are on speakerphone with Jen and Zach about them like looking for places, can't find anything. Mat: And it cuts to like a scene where Whitney and Connor are on speakerphone with Jen and Zach about them like looking for places and can't find anything. Michelle Harris: so they're moving in with Whitney and Connor. my gosh. Whitney says that she is expecting pure chaos with them moving in. There's one kitchen, not enough bedrooms, six kids, four adults, and one assistant all living under one roof. And I'm pretty sure the assistant Mat: so they're moving in with Whitney and Connor. my gosh. She is expecting pure chaos with them moving in. There's one kitchen, not enough bedrooms, six kids, four adults and living under one roof. jeez. And I'm pretty sure this isn't Michelle Harris: is like Jen's assistant, like not Whitney's assistant. So like family's gonna move in and my assistant. Because she showed up with someone pushing her baby carrier, so like I'm assuming that's John's assistant. Mat: so like my family's gonna move in and my assistant. Because she showed up with someone pushing her baby carrier, so like I'm assuming What? How like how hard did they look for a place? Like Michelle Harris: If if not then it's like probably not fucking hard at all. you have the money, I would hope. I think so. I meant Whitney does. I don't know. Whatever. Mat: I don't know. Michelle Harris: Jenna in an interview says she is going into dancing Okay. This is what pissed me off. This is what pissed me off. You asked to move in with Whitney. Right. You didn't find your own place. Now you're gonna say in an interview that you're going to dancing with stars, hoping that her and Whitney can grow a more authentic friendship. Whitney's letting you move into her fucking house. And you don't think that's an authentic friendship? Then that means you're a fake. Mat: says she is going into dancing okay. This is what pissed me off. This is what pissed me off. You asked to move in with Whitney. Right. You didn't find your own place. Now you're gonna say in an interview that you're going to dancing with stars, hoping that her and Whitney can grow a more authentic friendship. Whitney is letting you move into her fucking house. Yeah. And you don't think that's an authentic friendship? Right. That means you're a fake Michelle Harris: That means you're a fake bitch. A more authentic friendship. What more authentic can you get than letting someone live with you? Mat: Yeah, yeah. Michelle Harris: However, Jen doesn't understand how Whitney can still be ride or die for Dimmy. Girl, people can have more than one friend, and those friends don't have to get along. Right. Mat: Right. Michelle Harris: God, the the immaturity between Zach, Jen, and Jordan at this point just fucking Mat: The immaturity between Zach, Jed and Jordan at this point just Michelle Harris: get me. Sorry, I know I'm heated guys. It was just like this this was like a lot. Mat: I know if he did guys, it was just like this this was like a lot. Michelle Harris: Back in Utah, Jesse goes over to Taylor's house. Jesse is going over to help Taylor organize. Show us Taylor's house and like listen, our house is like messy. This is pure chaos. And then like within ten minutes of Jesse being there, it's almost like my sister being there where it's like everything just like has a place and like it's all squared away. Mat: goes over to Taylor's house. Jesse is going over to help Taylor organize. Show us Taylor's house and like listen, our house is like messy. This is pure chaos. Okay. Like within ten minutes of Jesse being there, it's almost like my sister being there where it's like everything just has a place. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Throw a bunch of shit out. Yeah. Michelle Harris: Yeah. Jesse asks Taylor how she feels about dating, if she's excited, nervous, etcetera. Taylor says that she does have a crush. And at this point I'm like, if she starts saying she has a crush on Chase, I'm like, I'm gonna be pissed. Taylor says she found a guy on TikTok Mat: Jesse asks Taylor how she feels about dating, if she's excited, nervous, etcetera. Taylor says that she does have a crush. And at this point I'm like, if she starts saying she has a crush on Chase, I'm like Taylor says she found a guy on TikTok. Michelle Harris: singing like on a live TikTok singing and his voice was just so like mesmerizing, so she stuck on like the live TikTok and ended up commenting requesting a song. Okay. Mat: singing like on a live TikTok singing and his voice was just so like mesmerizing so she's stuck on like the live TikTok commenting requesting song. Okay. Taylor says that she is ready to move on and it seems like both Jesse and Taylor are nervous about like the whole like history of her in Dakota but excited. Okay. So seems like Taylor has her eyes on a couple of other people. Right. Michelle Harris: Taylor says that she is ready to move on, and it seems like both Jesse and Taylor are nervous about like the whole like history of her in Dakota, but they're both excited. Okay. So it seems like Taylor has her eyes on a couple other people. Right. Back in LA, Zach pulls up to Whitney's Airbnb with a U-Haul. They open this 15-foot U-Haul and it's packed full to the brim. Mat: Back in LA, Zach pulls up to Whitney's Airbnb with a U Haul. They open this fifteen foot U Haul and it's packed full to the brim. And when he's like, Do you plan on unloading all this stuff up? Keep in mind like this phone conversation, they're only supposed to live there for like maybe a week. like they're still supposed to be like looking for their own place? Like you can stay like a couple days a week while they look for another place. Right. Michelle Harris: And when he's like, Do you plan on unloading all this stuff out? Keep in mind like this phone conversation, they're only supposed to live there for like maybe a week. like they're still be like looking for their own Yes. Like you can stay with us for like a couple of days a week while you look for another place. Right. They pull up in a freaking U Haul. Yeah. Mat: They pull up and it freaking you haul. Yeah. Michelle Harris: And Whitney's like, Are you gonna un unpack all of this? And Zach goes, Most of it. Mat: All this? And Zach goes, most of it. Whitney clearly is trying to be calm but is overwhelmed. I would be too. Yeah. In that situation. Whitney says Connor's kindness can come with consequences, unfortunately. Michelle Harris: Whitney clearly is trying to be calm but is overwhelmed. I would be too. Yeah. In that situation. Whitney says Connor's kindness can come with consequences, unfortunately. I'm like that comment, I felt that to my core because I always do that where I want to be a kind, nice person. And then Mat: And then It backfires. Michelle Harris: It backfires or like I get in over my head or things weren't set up where like the expectation was set clear. Yeah. And I'm like, Well, I would've felt like a bitch to do that, but like, yeah, this is a lot. Whitney asks like who wants a snack to their kids and then Zach r responds, Bent Mat: It backfires like I get in over my head things weren't set up where like the expectation was set clear. Yeah. And I'm like, well, I would've felt like a bitch to do that, but like, yeah, this is a lot of It got out of hand. Whitney asks like who wants a snack to their kids and then Zach r responds me Michelle Harris: like I would have been like, get out. Get out. You just unpacked a fifteen foot U Hall. You're here with your three kids, your wife and an assistant, and now you just asked me for a snack. I would have been Mat: Assistant and now you're just asking. Michelle Harris: like, Please leave. Mat: man. At this point the four of them sit down and Michelle Harris: At this point the four of them sit down at the dining room table. So Zach, Jen, Connor, Whitney. Zach asks Connor if he's going to the villa and Connor says, No, it's not for me. And with Dancing with the Starts just starting up, it's not a good time. Yeah. Zach says, Yeah, I didn't want to either because of that and with a newborn, 'cause they have an eight week old newborn. But Jen Mat: Zach asks Connor if he's going to the villa, and Connor says, it's not for me. And with Dancing with the Star, just starting up, it's not a good time. Yeah. Zach says, Yeah, I didn't want to either because of that and with a newborn, because they have an eight-week-old newborn. Right, right, okay. But Michelle Harris: told me to go. Mat: Jen says, you guys don't understand Zack is invested now. Like invested in what? Jordan's drama? Michelle Harris: Jen says you guys don't understand. Zach is invested now. Like invested in what? Jordan's drama? Mat: Dad talk. Whitney points out how uncomfortable Jen was with the whole experience, so she's confused why Jen would want Zack to go. Right, right. Michelle Harris: Whitney points out how uncomfortable Jen was with the whole experience, so she's confused why Jen would want Zack to go. Right, right. Mat: And Jen says that she's totally secure in her relationship, so he should go because he needs time away and time with the boys. And she low key wants to know the T as well. This sounds like a private conversation where Zach was like, You need to make it seem like this was your idea because people are gonna like right, right. Michelle Harris: And Jen says that she's totally secure in her relationship, so he should go because he needs time away and time with the boys. And she low key wants to know the T as well. This sounds like a private conversation where Zack was like, You need to make it seem like this was your idea because people are gonna like hate me for wanting to go. Mat: That's exactly what happened where Michelle Harris: That's exactly what happened where like exactly I wanna go, I'm going, but like it needs to be your idea. Mat: It needs to be your idea. Needs to be your idea. Michelle Harris: Jen says at the end of the day, this is the best he's ever gonna get referring to herself. So she's not stressed. Okay. Mat: Jen says at the end of the day, this is the best he's ever gonna get referring to herself. So she's not stressed. Okay. Michelle Harris: Whitney very openly admits that she's not comfortable with Connor going in that environment and then they aren't there in that rel in their relationship referring to the Tinder stuff. Yeah, yeah. Mat: Right. Referring to the tender stuff. Yeah, yeah. Michelle Harris: She thinks it's weird because other women had such a bad experience there, so she's just not understanding the correlation to wanting their husband to be in that environment as well. Mat: She thinks it's weird because other women such a bad experience there, so she's just not understanding the correlation to wanting their husband to be in that environment. Yeah, for sure. Michelle Harris: We go to Salt Lake City and they are throwing a going away party for the guys going to Vanderpumpville. I'm like going away party. I'm like, You're going away for a couple of days. Yeah, yeah. You'll be back. Mat: We go to Salt Lake City and they're throwing a going away party for the guys going to Vanderbomb Villa. Going away party? Yeah. Yeah. You'll be back. Michelle Harris: Apparently Jordan was making weird comments to Chase. so this is where I was like note that Chase said that Mason was a loyal boyfriend. Right, right. Mat: Chase. so this is where I was like note that Chase said that Mason a loyal boyfriend. Right, right. So apparently Jordan was making weird comments to Chase, who then subsequently told Layla and Mason about the comments. Michelle Harris: So apparently Jordan was making weird comments to Chase, who then subsequently told Layla and Mason about the comments. where Jordan was saying that if the single girls hit on Mason, Mason needs to take his shot with them. Mat: Where Jordan was saying that if the single girls hit on Mason, Mason needs to take his shot with them. He was advocating for foul play between Mason and Layla. Layla says she doesn't want to ruin the party, so she's just not gonna bring up anything at this point. Yeah. If Jordan pushes her buttons like she's Yeah, what the hell? Michelle Harris: He was advocating for foul play between Mason and Layla. Layla says she doesn't want to ruin the party, so she's just not gonna bring up anything at this point. But if Jordan pushes her buttons, like she's Yeah, what the hell? Yeah. Michaela shows up at the party. she still thinks Chase is just like hopping on the mom talk train and trying to get clout and money. Mat: Michaela shows up at the party, she still thinks Chase is just like hopping on the mom talk train and trying to get clout and money. She says that if there is a god out there, she hopes that he gets stuck in the back row middle seat, non-reclining all the way to the middle and his luggage gets lost. No, you're not. Out of everything that Michaela said, I think that's the funniest. Michelle Harris: She says that if there is a god out there, she hopes that he gets stuck in the back row middle seat non-reclining on the way to the villa and his luggage gets lost. And I was like, you know what? Out of everything that Mikaela said, I think that's the funniest thing because I'm like, I can relate where it's like, I don't want anything super bad to happen to you. I just hope you're inconvenienced in life. Mat: super bad happened to you, I just super inconvenienced. Yeah. Michelle Harris: So I'm like, you know what, girl? I feel like that's growth for you. I feel like I feel like that's a little bit of growth. Still super petty, but growth. Mat: Still super petty. Michelle Harris: it cuts to Jesse and Jordan fighting in their car before they get to the party. Okay. Jesse is saying that she is not ready to talk to Mat: Okay. Jesse is saying that she is not ready to talk Michelle Harris: Jordan and they don't have therapy this week, so she doesn't know what to do. Mat: So she doesn't know what to do. Michelle Harris: Jordan throws it in her face that she's ready to talk to everyone else. Apparently they got into a fight last night and she stayed at a hotel. Mat: Jordan throws it in her face that she's ready to talk to everyone else. Apparently they got into a fight last night and she stayed at a hotel. She says that if it were up to Jordan, no one would know about them fighting and he would just act like nothing's wrong, but she can't hide that kind of Yeah, yeah. Jesse says she feels like she's drowning inside. Okay. Immediately when Jesse walks in, Mikaela knows that something's up with Jesse. Michelle Harris: She says that if it were up to Jordan, no one would know about them fighting and he would just act like nothing's wrong, but she can't hide that kind of stuff. Jesse says she feels like she's drowning inside. Immediately when Jesse walks in, Michaela knows that something's up with Jesse. Mat: and that Michelle Harris: and that Mat: her and Jordan were fighting. in an interview Michaela says that she knew that Jessie and Jordan had a fight because she had her big overnight bag with her that she takes with her to Jeez, yeah, when she leaves okay. The guys then leave the girls to go play games and Jesse says that her and Jordan got into a fight and Layla just goes, I fucking hate Jordan It just came out and Michelle Harris: her and Jordan were fighting. in an interview Michaela says that she knew that Jessie and Jordan had a fight because she had her big overnight bag with her that she takes with her to the hotel when they're fighting. The guys then leave the girls to go play games and Jessie says that her and Jordan got into a fight and Layla just goes, I fucking hate Jordan Like just comes out and says it. Over in the corner, Jordan tells Chase that he has been putting in the work to make Jesse feel loved and supported and seen. He says that he has done twice the amount of therapy that she's done, and now it's time for her to make changes. Okay. Mat: see feel loved and supported and seen. He says that he has done twice the amount of therapy that she's done, and now it's time for her to make changes. Okay. Michelle Harris: The girls think that Jordan see the writing on the wall and that their marriage is ending, so he is trying to separate himself from mom talk. So they think that the real reason for him doing this dad talk trip and focusing so much on dad talk is to keep up that lifestyle. Yeah. And dad talk. Get away from her Yeah. Okay. Mat: The girls think that Jordan can see the writing on the wall and that their marriage is ending, so he is trying himself from mom talk. So they think that the real reason for him doing this dad talk trip and focusing so much on dad talk to like keep up that lifestyle. Yeah. Grow dad talk, get away from her. Yeah. Okay. Alright. Jesse agrees because he loves the lifestyle he has. The girls tell Jesse that Michelle Harris: Jesse agrees because he loves the lifestyle he has. The girls tell Jesse that she would be celebrated by walking away from their marriage. Jesse acknowledges that but says it's terrifying. Yeah. I don't think it's in this moment, but then in a scene like that they're showing later, Jesse's like seriously looking into divorce and I guess their prenup there's something with their prenup and she's like, I'm gonna lose millions. Mat: She would be celebrated by walking away from their marriage. Jesse acknowledges that but says it's terrifying. Yeah. I don't think it's in this moment, but then in a scene like that they're showing later, Jesse's like seriously looking into divorce and I guess their prenup there's something with their prenup and she's like, I'm gonna lose millions. yeah. So like she's I built a business Michelle Harris: So like I built a business. Then I s like I was in Mom talk. I built this lifestyle for us. You've done jack shit. You haven't worked in years. And now you're gonna take millions from me. Yeah. And you can take part of my my business with my family. Like, I think that's her biggest fear is like I'm gonna lose everything I built because of this man. Like, and so it is fucked up. I'm like that's t that's terrible. Mat: Then I s like I was a mom talk, I built this lifestyle for us. You've done jack shit. Yeah, you haven't done anything. Right. And now you're gonna take millions from me. Yeah. And you can take part of my my business with my family. Like, I think that's her biggest fear. Like I'm gonna lose everything I built. Yeah. Yeah, that's fucked up. So it is fucked up. Like that's t that's terrible. Jesse at this point literally breaks down crying and all the girls comfort her. Michelle Harris: Jesse at this point literally breaks down crying and all the girls comfort her. After that, Macy and Michaela go to do do some like VR stuff to get some aggression out. And they're like over there like screaming and like Mat: After that, Macy and Michaela go to do do some like VR stuff to get some aggression out. And they're like over there like screaming and like Michelle Harris: It gave me flashbacks when Owen put the VR set on me. My my nephew put me in a VR headset and I think he still has this video probably. Mat: gave me flashbacks when Owen put the VR set on me like put you in like an office setting. My nephew put me in a VR headset and I think he still has this video probably. Michelle Harris: And he put me in this office setting and you had to like figure out how to work. Mat: And he put me in this office setting and you had to like figure out how to work. Turn the console with the computer on and I'm like, Maybe it's unplugged. And I think the desk is above. Michelle Harris: And I was trying I was trying to like turn the console of the computer on and I'm like, Maybe it's unplugged So I go to like lean down and I think the desk is above me for real and then I just like fall face forward. And so I was watching them on VR and they're like turning around, they're like screaming and like doing stuff. I'm like, my god, that's giving me flashbacks that So while they're doing the VR headset, Mat: Miranda's like wishing that she was over there 'cause it has to be better than listening to Jordan run Michelle Harris: Miranda's like wishing that she was over there 'cause it has to be better than listening to Jordan run his mouth. Mat: to the bell. Michelle Harris: Jordan keeps talking over everyone about the villa and no one cares. Right, right. At this point Layla can't hold it Mat: Keeps talking over everyone about the villa and no one cares. Right, right. At this point, Layla can't hold it. Michelle Harris: anymore, and Layla asks Jordan why she keeps hearing that he's talking shit about her all the time. okay. Layla confronts the fact that he thinks Mason should shoot his shot and Jordan denies saying that. Mat: She keeps hearing that he's talking shit about her all the time. okay. Layla confronts the fact that he thinks Mason should shoot his shot and Jordan denies saying that. Chase backs it up and says, like, 'cause like Layla's like, Chase, didn't you tell me that? And she's like, Yeah, like you basically said like he should Right, right. Chase in an interview says he's had a few convos with Jordan where Jordan thinks that it will be difficult for Mason to be loyal. Michelle Harris: Chase backs it up and says, like 'cause like Leo's like, Chase, didn't you tell me that? And Chase is like, Yeah, like you basically said like he should live his life and like do that. Chase in an interview says he's had a few convos with Jordan where Jordan thinks that it will be difficult for Mason to be loyal. Chase personally thinks it's a reflection on Jordan's own relationship. Yeah, right. Jordan says that it was a miscommunication and Layla shuts him down saying that he has a habit of opening his big mouth to people. Mat: Chase personally thinks it's a reflection on Jordan's own relationship. Yeah, right? Jordan says that it was a miscommunication, and Layla shuts him down saying that he has a habit of opening his big mouth to people. Jordan then back like backtracks and says, Yeah, I have been holding a grudge for a while because of what you said about him when him and Jesse were separated. Jesse finally steps in and says, Every girl in Michelle Harris: Jordan then backs like backtracks and says, Yeah, I have been holding a grudge for a while because of what you said about him when him and Jesse were separated. Jesse finally steps in and says, Every girl in this friend group had shitty things to say about you. It wasn't just Layla. Mat: things to say about you. What did it wasn't just Layla? What did Layla say? She was like encouraging Jesse not to go back to him. Right, okay. And that's because last season Jesse was telling them all of this. Jordan's a piece of shit. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. As a friend, like, you're gonna have that person's back. Yeah. And so that's what Jesse's saying, like Michelle Harris: She was like encouraging Jesse not to go back to him, saying that she needed to be respected. He wasn't like, you know, like and that's because last season Jesse was telling them all of this stuff. Yeah. And so like as a friend, like you're gonna have that person's back. Yeah. And so that's what Jesse's saying, like Mat: So he's just holding a grudge Michelle Harris: every according to a graduate. Mat: hoping that she has a shitty time with in her relationship. Because he's a narcissist. Yeah. Okay. What an asshole. Jesse is saying like, no, every girl in this group had shitty things to say about you. And it's because of what said about you. Right. Michelle Harris: Right. With in her relationship. Because he's a narcissist. Yeah. It has to be about him. And so Jesse is saying like, no, every girl in this group had shitty things to say about you. It wasn't just Layla, and it's because of what I said about you. Right. Mat: Layla also points she found out about Jesse and Marciano, she encouraged Jesse to call Jordan to have that conversation. Michelle Harris: Layla also points out that when she found out about Jesse and Marciano, she encouraged Jesse to call Jordan and have that conversation. Mat: Okay. At the party where she was like, This is what I heard from Marciano She was don't go to this party, leave and go talk to your husband. Right, right. Okay, yeah. Jordan says that he's gonna take accountability for talking shit and that he's sorry and shouldn't have Michelle Harris: She goes, Don't go to this party, leave and go talk to your husband. Right, right. Okay, yeah. Jordan says that he's gonna take accountability for talking shit and that he's sorry and shouldn't have done that. but I've seen some things that make me question you and all of your past boyfriends have told me that you cheated on them. What, this is Layla? Yeah. Okay. And she was like, What like what? Like h what is that A, what does that have to do with anything? And B, like you're just gonna throw that in my face when like have you even like have you even Mat: but I've seen some things that make me question you and all of your past boyfriends have told me that you cheated on them. What, this is Layla? Yeah. Okay. And she was like, What like what? Like what is that? A, what does that have to do with anything? And B, like you're just gonna throw that in my face when like have you even like have you even Michelle Harris: talked to her ex boyfriends? Like I Mat: Yeah. Michelle Harris: what does that have to do with any of this? Right, right. Mat: Right. Michelle Harris: And then why would that subsequently mean that Mason should cheat on her? I I don't it it's just all these like and Layla says this, Jordan's just throwing out whatever Mat: Right. And Layla says this, Jordan's just throwing out whatever Michelle Harris: he can because his marriage is falling apart, so he just wants to deflect the drama on other people. Layla just goes, Okay, I'm gonna leave. And she gets Mat: Yeah, absolutely. Yep. Yep. Layla just goes, Okay, I'm gonna leave. And she gets Michelle Harris: up and she goes, I hope you all have fun at the villa and Jordan thanks her. Mat: Thanks, sir. Michelle Harris: At this point Layla and Mason leave and when Jordan gets up he looks at Jesse and goes, Sorry for embarrassing you and Jesse goes, Yeah, you should be. You do this all the time and I'm sick of it. We go to Jesse's house and it shows a home video footage of Jesse and Jordan fighting. So it's their home security system. Okay, I was like, wait a second, something like Mat: Shows a home video footage of Jesse and Jordan fighting. So it's their home security system. Okay, I was like, wait a second. I'm thinking like like home video like somebody with a camcorder, like, you know, like Christmas like morning, like we have this home video. It's okay, it's a security system. Okay. Okay, all right. I'm thinking like like Michelle Harris: Like home video, like somebody with a camera. No, like it's like Christmas like No, yeah, no, it's it's like we have this home video. It's yeah. No, it's like a security c camera footage of them fighting. I'm thinking like like Christmas vacation when he's in the attic and he gets the old reel to reel machine out and he's like up there crying. Mat: Christmas vacation when he's stuck in the attic and he gets the old reel to reel machine out and he's like up there crying. But no, it's security footage. Okay, alright. Sorry. Which if you listen to Jesse's Call Her Daddy podcast right after it got announced that they were getting a divorce. Jesse accused Jordan of using these cameras Michelle Harris: But now it's security. Yeah, it's security footage. Which if you've listened to Jesse's Call Her Daddy podcast right after it got announced that they were getting a divorce. Jesse accused Jordan of using these cameras to spy on her when she was home. And throw things in her face. Mat: To spy on her when was home. And throw things in her face. And she never felt comfortable her own house. Yeah. And apparently got to the point where she was like, I don't even know if I know where all the cameras are. my god. Yeah. In the house that she paid for. So that's why Michelle Harris: And she never felt comfortable in her own house. Yeah. And apparently got to the point where she's like, I don't even know if I know where all the cameras are. my god. Yeah. So that she paid for. Correct. So that's why she on that podcast said, I'm selling my house. Yeah. I don't want to live there anymore because I don't even know what he's put or where he's put it. Mat: Yeah. I don't want to live there anymore. Yeah. Don't even know what or what he's put. That's fucking weird. So that gave me a new context to this video footage. Michelle Harris: So that gave me a new context to this video footage. I'm like, my God, I couldn't even imagine like not being comfortable in my own house or like know where cameras are or like, you know, like feel safe. Yeah. Or feel like someone's watching me. Like that's weird. Right. Doesn't matter if you're married to them or not. Like I don't want someone watching me. So it shows them fighting and Jesse's saying that none of her friends or family like him and Mat: Yeah. Right. Like, you know, like feel safe. Yeah. Or feel like someone's watching you. Yeah. Right. It doesn't matter if you're married to them want someone watching me. No. So, it shows them fighting and Jesse saying not none of her friends or family like him and Michelle Harris: Asked him to stop the acting. Jordan says that his friends have issues with her too. He says all the guys in dad talk thinks that she spins the truth and she just yells, fuck dad talk. Jesse at this point leaves and says that she can't stay there anymore and Jordan goes, Fine, fucking leave. So she leaves. and then she's like, it just it's not a good Mat: says that his friends have issues with her too. He says all the guys in dad talk things that she's fins the truth and she just yells, fuck dad talk Jessie at this point leaves and says that she can't stay there anymore. And Dory goes fine fucking leaves, so she leaves. it's just like it just it's not a good Michelle Harris: atmosphere and this is one day before Jordan's leaving for villa. Yeah. So this gives whole new context to him video chatting her while he's at Villa and then and remember she's like, okay, I go play spin the bottle or something. Yeah, like she doesn't want to talk to him. Mat: And this is one day before Jordan's leaving for Villa. Yeah. So this gives whole new context to him video chatting her while he's at Villa. right, right. She's like, Okay, I go place spin the box. Yeah, like yeah, fuck off. Leave me alone. I don't care about you. Okay. Michelle Harris: The next day the guys leave for the villa and Jordan shows up in his dad talk shirt and hat. Mat: Ha ha ha. Michelle Harris: Jordan picks up Dakota, which is the first time we've seen Dakota this season. In an interview, Dakota says that him and Taylor are both making an effort to do their own thing, so he's excited to go to the villa to do his own thing with Dad Talk. Meanwhile they're both like so like Jordan and Dakota are headed to the airport to leave for the villa and I'm assuming this isn't the same exact time, but it shows Taylor driving to the airport. Mat: season. In an interview, Dakota says that him and Taylor are both making an effort to do their own thing, so he's excited to go to the villa to do his own thing with Dad Talk. Meanwhile they're both like so like Jordan and Dakota are headed to the airport to leave for the villa and I'm assuming this isn't the same exact time, but it shows Taylor driving to the airport. Okay. Taylor is driving to the airport to pick up Ben Michelle Harris: Taylor is driving to the airport to pick up Ben, who is the singer from the TikTok live. Okay. That she's invited out to meet her and hang out with her. Alright. And that's where this episode ends. Mat: Who is the singer from the line Okay. Okay, all right. And that's where this episode ends. All right. I mean it's probably not even the same day, but they're probably making it look like Yeah, yeah, yeah. Going to the airport. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Michelle Harris: No, yeah, it definitely looks like it's like Dakota and Jordan are like right there and like she's picking up Ben, but yeah. Yeah. Mat: flew this guy out. Yeah. That's funny. Michelle Harris: And then it cuts to scenes for the rest of the season and it's like, my god I and how many is this ten episodes? Ten episodes, no reunion. No reunion. Okay. Jeez. Alright, well we're back into it. I guess I gotta Mat: And how many is this ten episodes? No reunion. No reunion. Okay. Geez. All right. Well, we're back into it. I guess I gotta I gotta give a recap, a quick recap to start next next episode. man, I haven't had to do a recap in a while, so it's been it's been a little while, so yeah. We'll I'll I'll get Michelle Harris: Yep. man, I haven't had to do a recap in a while. I know. I know. Brush off the cobwebs. Mat: through it. Starting to try and remember everybody's names and what's going on here. All right. All right. Well, so next week, season four, episode two. Hell yeah. All right. Well, thanks for listening, everybody. We appreciate it. if you don't follow us on Instagram, go ahead and follow us at reality hits mat. That's reality hits A T. Just one TM Matt. Same on TikTok. Follow us there. Be sure to like, subscribe, rate, review, comment. Michelle Harris: names what's going on. Alright. Alright, well, so next week, season four, episode two. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Alright. Well thanks for listening, everybody. 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