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40 - Dr. Cream - The Lambeth Poisoner · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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Speaker 1: not good. They're really dodgy. And the sharkar murder I
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Speaker 1: methom fetamine. I'm talking so fast. So what I am
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Speaker 1: going to do is I think I'm actually going to
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Speaker 1: rerecord those so that they are better now that I've
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Speaker 1: got like audio equipment and stuff that I can actually use,
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Speaker 1: you know, once I get the laptop sorted, like, I
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Speaker 1: want to retell those stories in a way that's you know,
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Speaker 1: not shit, you know, AnyWho, I know.
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Speaker 2: What you're thinking.
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Speaker 1: You're thinking, quit your jibber jabber in fact me, In
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Speaker 1: fact you I will. But first we go to get
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Speaker 1: our source on. Our sources are the Case of the
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Speaker 1: Murderous Doctor Cream the Hunt for a Victorian Era serial
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Speaker 1: Killer by Dean Job. It took me so many takes
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Speaker 1: to get that right because I kept tripping up over
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Speaker 1: Victorian era serial killer because it's it's so many easy.
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Speaker 1: It makes your mouth go wide, It's all I'm saying. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: we also have a prescription for murder, the Victorian serial
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Speaker 1: Killings of doctor Thomas Neil Cream by Angus McLaren. And
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Speaker 1: on top of that we have Smithsonian dot Com, murder
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Speaker 1: Pedia and Murder by Gaslight. So are we sitting comfortably good?
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Speaker 1: So I'll begin Thomas Neil Cream. By the way, I
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Speaker 1: feel like I should mention that the reason that so
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Speaker 1: many like serial killers and stuff have middle names isn't
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Speaker 1: because more serial killers have middle names. It's just that,
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Speaker 1: in order to differentiate them from, you know, people who
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Speaker 1: are not serial killers, we usually add the middle name
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Speaker 1: in just to be sure you know. Thomas Neil Cream
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Speaker 1: was born on the twenty seventh of May eighteen fifty
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Speaker 1: in Glasgow, Scotland. I mean, we can take half the
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Speaker 1: blame for this, but he was raised in Canada, so
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Speaker 1: Canada is also going to have to say suri about this.
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Speaker 1: We have Cream who emigrated with his family, not on
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Speaker 1: his own, that'll be weird. He was four years old
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Speaker 1: and they moved to Quebec. His father, William Cream. He
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Speaker 1: becomes the manager of this shipbuilding firm and so shep
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Speaker 1: building and lumber firm in Wolfe's Cove, which is pretty
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Speaker 1: close to Quebec's city. So Cream he just so happens
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Speaker 1: to be the oldest of his siblings and he's the
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Speaker 1: oldest boy, so naturally it is assumed that he's going
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Speaker 1: to follow in his father's footsteps.
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Speaker 2: This turns out not to be the case.
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Speaker 1: Is he gets bored by wood apparently, So he does
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Speaker 1: start off following his dad's footsteps. He starts apprenticing and shipbuilding,
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Speaker 1: and when his dad ends up with his own wholesale
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Speaker 1: lumber business because you know, upward motion and stuff, Thomas'neil
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Speaker 1: Cream is helping his dad out. But then he kind
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Speaker 1: of doesn't really feel it and he decides to go
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Speaker 1: to UNI. But what does this infamous doctor queam. Look
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Speaker 1: like I hear you ask.
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Speaker 3: Well, see, here's the thing. He kind of looks like
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Speaker 3: a hamster cause playing as a human. Also, he was
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Speaker 3: unfortunately cross eyed, but he was rich and doctor.
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Speaker 2: So in Victorian England.
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Speaker 1: You know that wasn't really the worst you could get.
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Speaker 1: He had a mustache and yeah, that's kind of I
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Speaker 1: don't really have a lot else to say about him esthetically.
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Speaker 1: So in a seventy two in October, he's like twenty
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Speaker 1: two at this point, he goes to McGill University in
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Speaker 1: Montreal and he studies there up until seventy six, so
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Speaker 1: he's there for four years. Oh and he's studying medicine.
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Speaker 1: So while he's at mcguill, he basically earns this reputation
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Speaker 1: for being well rich and the terms I think were
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Speaker 1: used were wild and extravagant. Bit he was showing up
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Speaker 1: in fancy clothes, He had loads of jewelry and a
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Speaker 1: show of look what I have. He ends up with
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Speaker 1: this really really fancy carriage, because you know, no ordinary
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Speaker 1: carriage will do.
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Speaker 2: He's a material girl.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, I just think it's really funny that, like I do,
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Speaker 1: like to this day, men are still really obsessed with
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Speaker 1: like their wheels.
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Speaker 2: This is all right, nice.
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Speaker 1: So he graduates from mcg ill with merit, and he
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Speaker 1: gets his medical degree at this crowded ceremony on the
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Speaker 1: thirty first of March eighteen seventy six, and the address
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Speaker 1: that was given to his graduating class was, Yeah, the
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Speaker 1: evils of malpractice in the medical profession, which Cream is
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Speaker 1: very much gonna show this because well his thesis. His
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Speaker 1: thesis was on the effects of chloroform. Like that's what
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Speaker 1: he did, because it still wasn't as wellly used when
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Speaker 1: he first started writing about it. I mean, it was
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Speaker 1: gaining popularity, sure, but he became like super into it.
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Speaker 2: So he graduates.
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Speaker 1: He his now doctor Cream, and he meets this lovely
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Speaker 1: young lady, Flora Eliza Brooks, who just so happens to
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Speaker 1: be the daughter of a really wealthy hotel owner. Well,
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Speaker 1: he knocks her up, she gets pregnant, and Cream decides
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Speaker 1: he's going to perform an abortion.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Needless to say.
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Speaker 1: This does not turn out well, and Flora becomes really
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Speaker 1: fucking ill, and once her dad finds out what happened,
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Speaker 1: he tracks him down. He goes and finds Cream drags
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Speaker 1: him back to Waterloo wa Dolu, and he forces him
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Speaker 1: to marry Flora at gunpoint. I mean, it quite literally
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Speaker 1: was a shotgun wedding. I'm not sure if it's very cowardly,
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Speaker 1: very clever, or very courageous. I think I'm leaning more
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Speaker 1: towards being both clever and cowardly. The day after he
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Speaker 1: gets married, the very next day, he goes on a
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Speaker 1: ship and sails to England to quote unquote continue his
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Speaker 1: medical studies. He ends up going to Saint nor Thomas's
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Speaker 1: Hospital in London and he basically attends lectures and he
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Speaker 1: works their wee bit for two years. But surprise, surprise,
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Speaker 1: this Lathario just can't just can't keep away from the ladies.
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Speaker 2: So during his.
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Speaker 1: Time in London, Flora Flora, his wife, basically has bronchitis
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Speaker 1: and apparently dies of consumption. However, our doctor is really
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Speaker 1: fucking suspicious and she thinks that her death is linked
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Speaker 1: to this special medicine that her husband had lovingly sent
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Speaker 1: her to help her with her conditions.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the doctor.
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Speaker 1: Doesn't do anything at the time, but he is legit
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Speaker 1: convinced that cream poisoned his wife to death. Does he
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Speaker 1: rush back to bury his birth of course he fucking doesn't, no, no.
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Speaker 1: What he does instead is he goes up to Scotland
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Speaker 1: for a wee bit, gains a qualification of the Royal
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Speaker 1: Colleges of Physicians and Surgeons in Edinburgh, before heading back
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Speaker 1: to Canada. On May of that year. He sets up
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Speaker 1: a medical practice in London, Ontario, not London, England, and
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Speaker 1: starts a career as an illegal abortionist. So one of
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Speaker 1: the reasons that Cream actually goes back is he's planning
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Speaker 1: to get his wife's inheritance, because of fucking course he is.
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Speaker 2: So he's back in Ontario.
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Speaker 1: He's there for like a year at this point, and
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Speaker 1: there's an outhouse behind his office building. A body of
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Speaker 1: women is discovered. Her name is Kate Gardner, and next
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Speaker 1: to the body is a bottle of chloroform.
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Speaker 2: The police are like.
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Speaker 1: This is a wee bit, a convenient and be suspicious
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Speaker 1: because there's a woman in this wee building behind your building,
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Speaker 1: and she appears to have died as a result of
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Speaker 1: consuming chloroform. Inhaling chloroform, which is something you specifically stock
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Speaker 1: and have a habit of making quite a bit see
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Speaker 1: another wee thing that would have aimed some suspicion at
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Speaker 1: Cream was that Cake Gardner just so happened to be
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Speaker 1: his mistress.
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Speaker 2: Huh.
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Speaker 1: So when the inquest happens about Gardner, basically, Cream's like,
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Speaker 1: oh no, that woman visited me on several occasions, but
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Speaker 1: I refused to bevide her with a botificence like he
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Speaker 1: was saying that she tried to get him to perform
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Speaker 1: an abortion. He said no, and so she stole the
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Speaker 1: chloroform and ended her own life. He I mean, Okay,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what you know about chloroform,
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Speaker 1: but here's some basic things. You really have to get
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Speaker 1: a good inhale of it. And one of the reasons
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Speaker 1: it works so well is the more panicked someone is,
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Speaker 1: the more they you know inhale. And depending on your size,
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Speaker 1: chloroform will have a different effect, whereas like if your
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Speaker 1: body mask comes into it, Like if you're big and
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Speaker 1: burly and strong, you're going to take more chloroform to
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Speaker 1: become like a pain reliever, but if you're a young,
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Speaker 1: small woman, it's going to take less. Anyway, Kate Gardner's
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Speaker 1: death is you know, rod to suspicious and that she
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Speaker 1: died from chloroform administered by some person unknown. They didn't
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Speaker 1: have quite enough evidence to convict Cream, but the suspicion
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Speaker 1: was mounting against him so much he to close his
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Speaker 1: practice and get the fuck at a dodge, and so
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Speaker 1: he left Canada for the Windy City that's right, Chicago.
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Speaker 1: So he basically sets up a medical practice near the
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Speaker 1: West Side's sex work district, and very very soon, very quickly,
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Speaker 1: he becomes known to police as a backstreet abortionist, and
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Speaker 1: so they decide they're gonna they're gonna make sure that
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Speaker 1: they keep a we eye on him, you know, because
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Speaker 1: he has a habit of catching police attention, because he's
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Speaker 1: one of those people who thinks he's smarter than he is.
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Speaker 1: So the cops they're keeping a wei on Cream, obviously,
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Speaker 1: and they're very aware that he's performing these back alley abortions,
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Speaker 1: and so a lot of the sex workers in the
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Speaker 1: area they go to him because well, they don't really
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Speaker 1: have a lot of other fucking options. So one such woman,
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Speaker 1: Mary Faulkner, she dies as a result of Cream's surgical ineptitude. Really,
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Speaker 1: but there really wasn't enough evidence to charge Cream with
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Speaker 1: Later on in that year, in December, Ellen's Stack dies
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Speaker 1: after taking medicine that was prescribed to her by doctor Cream.
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Speaker 1: So even though we know that he prescribed the medicine,
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Speaker 1: even on her deathbed, Ellen refused to admit that she'd
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Speaker 1: even gone to see him. You see, I mean she
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Speaker 1: was an Irish Catholic maid for like this Chicago businessman,
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Speaker 1: and the mistress of the house had even said, do
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Speaker 1: not go near him, stay away from doctor Cream. So
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Speaker 1: whatever Ellen's condition was, the lady of the house did
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Speaker 1: not want her going to see that dodgy fella. Whether
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Speaker 1: it would have caused a scandal or whether she actually
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Speaker 1: cared about, you know, the people under her, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: but Cream having the audacity here we go. So doctor
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Speaker 1: Cream tries to blackmail the pharmacist that you know, made
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Speaker 1: up the medicine for Ellen. He's like, I know you
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Speaker 1: poisoned her, you altered this medicine. And the pharmacist, who's
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Speaker 1: like just a pretty stand up guys, like, fuck this
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Speaker 1: for a game of soldiers. And he goes to the
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Speaker 1: place and the place go yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever, it's fine,
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Speaker 1: and no charges were brought forward, Like what the actual fuck?
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Speaker 1: In eighteen eighty one, however, they do manage to get
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Speaker 1: enough evidence to put Cream behind bars.
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Speaker 2: You see again, he's so fucking cocky.
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Speaker 1: Cream starts an affair with a woman called Julia stopped
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Speaker 1: so Cream. He's desperate to make some money because you
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Speaker 1: know he is, and he decides to put an advertisement
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Speaker 1: in a Chicago newspaper for his anti epilepsy pills, which
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Speaker 1: he claims to have created, which is what brings the
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Speaker 1: unfortunate Daniel Stott to the door.
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Speaker 2: So he is marketing these.
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Speaker 1: Pills as like a cure for epilepsy, and Julia's husband
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Speaker 1: sends her into the big city to pick up the pills.
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Speaker 1: Over a period of time, he manages to convince her
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Speaker 1: to like set up a life insurance policy for her husband,
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Speaker 1: so she does.
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Speaker 2: He gives her pills full of strick.
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Speaker 1: Nine fucking strict nine instead of having something nice and
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Speaker 1: slow and you know, kill them over a period of
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Speaker 1: time that would not be really fucking suspicious. Not that
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Speaker 1: I want to give any murderers out there tips a
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Speaker 1: bit like fuck, it's so stupid. So she gives Daniel
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Speaker 1: the pills and he basically dies within minutes. When Stott dies.
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Speaker 1: As we know, Cream is you know, knock combits with
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Speaker 1: the missus. Missus stopped. He convinces her to blame the
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Speaker 1: chemist for administering the wrong pills. And you know, because
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Speaker 1: he's trying, he's trying to build up a body of evidence,
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Speaker 1: and as such, he telegraphs the coroner to tell him
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Speaker 1: that the chemist fucked up that, you know, get the
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Speaker 1: blame away from himself, you know, from the poison that
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Speaker 1: he fucking made. But anyway, and because he was and
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Speaker 1: because he sent the fucking telegraph right because he did that,
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Speaker 1: the corner was like, oh, I guess this isn't an
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Speaker 1: accidental death after all, this is more likely to be
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Speaker 1: ful play because you know, all what, somebody messed up
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Speaker 1: the medication. Somebody died. Oh no, that's a shame. You know,
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Speaker 1: he probably would have blown off. It probably would have
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Speaker 1: been fine.
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Speaker 2: But because Cream was.
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Speaker 1: So desperate to blame the blame on someone else, he
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Speaker 1: just incriminated himself, which is just fucking typical. So the
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Speaker 1: corner is like, okay, I'm gonna test these pills just
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Speaker 1: to roll out because he's got a suspicion, you know,
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Speaker 1: and he feeds them. I'm sorry if you're an animal lover.
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Speaker 1: He feeds them to a dog and the dog dies
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Speaker 1: fifteen minutes later, in what I can only describe as
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Speaker 1: a lot of pain. Yeah, sorry, he almost gets.
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Speaker 2: Away with it because of the audazub date.
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Speaker 1: He just he just can't He just can't stop, and
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Speaker 1: he's a greedy motherfucker. He decides to throw suspicion on
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Speaker 1: another fucking pharmacist. Okay, he decides to throw suspicion on
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Speaker 1: a person when there was no suspicion to be thrown.
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Speaker 1: There was no reason for this. He just he just
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Speaker 1: fucking felt like it, Like how you were free, you
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Speaker 1: were home free, you had managed to not get caught,
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Speaker 1: and now you're like, you know what, They're just not
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Speaker 1: enough danger in my life. I need to like get caught. Okay, Okay.
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Speaker 1: He sends a letter to the corner accusing the chemist
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Speaker 1: of poisoning stopped because Cream decides that he would sue
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Speaker 1: for damages on Julia's behalf by blaming you know, Stott's
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Speaker 1: death on the fucking pharmacist, and the Corner's like, no, no,
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Speaker 1: it was an epileptic fit, don't worry about it, and
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Speaker 1: he just ignores Cream's letter. And because Thomas Neil, Cream
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Speaker 1: just really wants to fucking get his hands on that money,
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Speaker 1: he goes over the corner's head to the district attorney,
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Speaker 1: so the DA he gets Daniel Stott's body exhumed, and
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Speaker 1: they found enough strick nine and his stomach to kill
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Speaker 1: like three people, like three for the grown men. And
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Speaker 1: basically Cream gets charged with second to green because they
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Speaker 1: were like, it wasn't the chemists, it was clearly you motherfucker.
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Speaker 1: So obviously, the trial happens and Julia Scott takes the
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Speaker 1: witness stand and absolutely one hundred percent exposes Cream. She
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Speaker 1: like tells them the whole story what he did about
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Speaker 1: the pills and how she was seduced by him, like
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Speaker 1: the whole fucking enchilada.
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Speaker 2: Now, so quam.
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Speaker 1: He actually tried to flee, but they caught him and
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Speaker 1: he ended up in jail.
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Speaker 2: So and so Thomas Neil Cream is sent to prison
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Speaker 2: to the Illinois State Penitentiary in Juliet, and he's given
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Speaker 2: a life sentence.
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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, a life sentence doesn't actually mean life, and he
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Speaker 1: gets released from prison in June of eighteen ninety one
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Speaker 1: because his term is reduced. So his term was reduced
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Speaker 1: to seventeen years, and then he got an early parole
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Speaker 1: for goodbehavior. Some shit. I don't fucking know. Maybe they
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Speaker 1: were like, oh, we can't off order to feed this one,
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Speaker 1: send him out, and oh he hasn't killed anybody while
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Speaker 1: he's in here. Well you're not exactly his target, fucking audience,
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Speaker 1: are you so? Cream? He's in prison for ten years,
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Speaker 1: he's ten years in, he's got a decade behind him,
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Speaker 1: and his father dies, making all of the Cream boys,
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Speaker 1: all of his sons really fucking rich. And now that
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Speaker 1: Thomas Neil Cream is a wealthy, wealthy man, he uh strangely,
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Speaker 1: for no apparent reason. Now that he's super deeper rich
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Speaker 1: and family has a lot of fuck ton of money,
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Speaker 1: his life sentence, his life sentence in prison is mysteriously commuted.
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Speaker 1: It's okay that you murdered this person, and are fairly
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Speaker 1: suspicious that you murdered this other person.
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Speaker 2: But are you afraid to go have fun?
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Speaker 1: Tulou, thanks for the uh donation. So yeah, in eighteen
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Speaker 1: ninety one, Cream was set free. Bye. He you know,
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Speaker 1: he gets out of jail, he passes, go, he picks
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Speaker 1: up two hundred and goes to Canada for a wee bit,
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Speaker 1: but then goes it's a bit hot up here, a
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Speaker 1: bit of a bitter Shka Dadel and he heads off
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Speaker 1: to merry Old England.
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Speaker 2: Hooray. Yeah, so he's back in.
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Speaker 1: The land of fish and chips, and he goes to
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Speaker 1: London and he sets up this kind of medical practice
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Speaker 1: in Lambeth, and he basically he kind of goes off
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Speaker 1: the deep end because prison sort of made him worse
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Speaker 1: than he already was. He's drinking heavily, he's taking drugs,
23:51
Speaker 1: he's you know, just being a general arsehole. And Lambeth
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Speaker 1: itself is like one of the poorest areas, or at
23:58
Speaker 1: least it was in London, and the poverty there is
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Speaker 1: so rife that like he has a perfect feeding ground
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Speaker 1: or victims because they absolutely have nowhere else to go. So,
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Speaker 1: like there's this police report from when he was in
24:17
Speaker 1: sort of the dodgy areas of London, when he was
24:20
Speaker 1: sort of hanging about the streets and he would just
24:23
Speaker 1: go up to random strangers and ramble less than pleasant
24:28
Speaker 1: things about women to them, and he would.
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Speaker 4: Also show them porn, Like he would carry around pornographic pictures,
24:39
Speaker 4: like he kept like whatever the Victorian version of porn was.
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Speaker 5: He had pictures and he would just show them to people,
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Speaker 5: Like in the street, like that is that is not
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Speaker 5: clearly enough.
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Speaker 1: People were worried that there was a police report on
24:57
Speaker 1: this specific incident. Like so, over the next seven months,
25:05
Speaker 1: he starts poisoning people. So in October eighteen ninety one,
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Speaker 1: Cream meets with Ellen Donworth, a sex worker, and they
25:16
Speaker 1: have a drink and she goes home. She gets to
25:20
Speaker 1: bed and she's found sort of slumped over, and they
25:25
Speaker 1: think she's drunk, but she's having these spasms and she's
25:29
Speaker 1: an excruciating pain. She's being taken to the hospital, but
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Speaker 1: she dies on the way in fucking agony. And like
25:39
Speaker 1: she's known about the area, so people say that, you know,
25:41
Speaker 1: they start her walking with a cross eyed man in
25:45
Speaker 1: a top hat that would be our doctor Quam. Two
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Speaker 1: days later, Matilda Clover, she has a drink with doctor
25:57
Speaker 1: Cream and she dies. Everyone assumes it's alcoholism because she
26:03
Speaker 1: did like a whet tipple, but she was poisoned by him.
26:11
Speaker 1: He may have killed some more people between that and
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Speaker 1: the next two, but we just don't have any documentation
26:19
Speaker 1: of that one. But I find it really fucking suspicious
26:22
Speaker 1: that he just didn't do it, because you know, he's
26:25
Speaker 1: a prick and a murderous prick at that And in
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Speaker 1: April sorry eighteen ninety two, he accompanies two sex workers
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Speaker 1: home and that Alice marsh and Emma Shrivel, and they
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Speaker 1: both also die in excruciating pain, both poisoned with Stryck nine.
26:51
Speaker 1: At this point, the police are very aware that there
26:56
Speaker 1: is a murderer on the list and he he probably
27:02
Speaker 1: would have gotten away with it because he was, you know,
27:06
Speaker 1: a will to do person. He was a doctor, he
27:09
Speaker 1: was from a rich family. He probably you know, could
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Speaker 1: have avoided being caught if he wasn't such a fucking prick.
27:18
Speaker 2: He manages to.
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Speaker 1: Just draw such unwanted attention upon himself because he decides
27:26
Speaker 1: to write letters accusing different people.
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Speaker 2: Of the crime.
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Speaker 1: But he writes using like non diplomas and pseudonyms and
27:33
Speaker 1: all this kind of shit, and he just keeps accusing
27:35
Speaker 1: all of these like really respectable people of murder, and
27:41
Speaker 1: like one of the letters mentions like Matilda Matilda Clover
27:44
Speaker 1: from before, but no one thought that she had been
27:47
Speaker 1: murdered up until that letter. On top of that, he
27:52
Speaker 1: managed to not finish the job at one point. So
27:55
Speaker 1: there was this sex worker lou I don't know her
27:59
Speaker 1: second namber, her name was, and he had given her
28:02
Speaker 1: some pills and she was like, I'm too drunk to
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Speaker 1: take these. This is probably not a good idea, and
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Speaker 1: she throws them into the river and manages to like
28:13
Speaker 1: not die, which is good for her. We like her,
28:17
Speaker 1: We're glad she survived, and she manages to like come
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Speaker 1: back later on and testify against him in court. Your eminence,
28:27
Speaker 1: wait with them of a judge, your honor, there, your honor,
28:30
Speaker 1: there's the fellow that gave me them pills. On top
28:33
Speaker 1: of you know, writing these like fake accusatory accusatory letters,
28:42
Speaker 1: he also starts bragging to like friends, and he starts
28:47
Speaker 1: talking to them and telling them on all of this
28:50
Speaker 1: information about the crimes that you know, only the killer
28:53
Speaker 1: would know. And one of the people he decides to
28:56
Speaker 1: have a conversation with is a former New York detective
29:03
Speaker 1: John Haines, who is like one of Cream's buddies. He's
29:07
Speaker 1: his pal, and he takes him on a tour of
29:10
Speaker 1: the murder scenes. Why don't you just why didn't you
29:14
Speaker 1: just hand yourself in at that point, I really don't so.
29:17
Speaker 1: After being taken a tour of the murder locations, heines
29:22
Speaker 1: is like, okay, I'm gonna do a little bit of
29:24
Speaker 1: background checking here, and he finds out that Cream, who
29:27
Speaker 1: had changed his name like a bunch of times, was
29:29
Speaker 1: the Thomas Neil Cream who had gone to prison for
29:33
Speaker 1: poisoning somebody and everything that went with it. In Scotland Yard,
29:39
Speaker 1: they're really starting to get pissed off about this, and
29:41
Speaker 1: they are following Cream because not only are they on
29:44
Speaker 1: the lookout for the Lambeth killer, but they are collecting
29:48
Speaker 1: all this info like Matilda said that a cross eyed
29:51
Speaker 1: man with a mustache gave her pills. Emma Shrivel and
29:55
Speaker 1: Alice Marsh said that they took pills off a cross
29:58
Speaker 1: eyed man and he gave them long pill and you know,
30:01
Speaker 1: then they died in their house. And of course we
30:04
Speaker 1: have all of the blackmail letters that he's send into
30:06
Speaker 1: like doctors and wealthy people and all their ship and
30:12
Speaker 1: they're physically handing these letters into the police and they're like, hey,
30:16
Speaker 1: this is the exact same handwriting, kind of allegible, kind
30:20
Speaker 1: of scratchy, like doctors. So when Heinz comes to them
30:27
Speaker 1: and goes, hey, this is a bit weird, let me
30:30
Speaker 1: share this with you, they go okay. They also notice
30:35
Speaker 1: that the murders stop for a period of time when
30:39
Speaker 1: Cream takes a trip home to visit his brother in
30:43
Speaker 1: Canada in January. So when it all sort of accumulated
30:48
Speaker 1: between you know, a bunch of people, victims and so on,
30:53
Speaker 1: literally describing this as very specific esthetic of doctor Thomas
31:00
Speaker 1: Neil Cream, the collection of blackmail letters that were like
31:05
Speaker 1: by doctor Neil Thomas Neil Neil Cream, so on and
31:08
Speaker 1: so forth. Also in addition, furthermore, the were tired New
31:15
Speaker 1: York policeman that he informed of the crime and took
31:19
Speaker 1: a fucking tour of it, who then told Scotland Yard
31:25
Speaker 1: who then all of these added up and resulted in
31:29
Speaker 1: first of all Cream really being put under surveillance. And
31:34
Speaker 1: this is like a multi country sort of investigation. You
31:38
Speaker 1: had people over in the US and Canada who were
31:41
Speaker 1: like investigating Cream, and then you had obviously the UK
31:47
Speaker 1: were doing the same thing. And oh this is actually
31:50
Speaker 1: and okay, So there's this inquest held by apple Stan
31:56
Speaker 1: Braxton Hicks. And the reason I'm saying apple stand acting
32:00
Speaker 1: hecksas I just wanted to say the name Athelstan. So
32:04
Speaker 1: there's an inquest held in July eighteen ninety two and
32:10
Speaker 1: there's a letter signed by Jack the Ripper stating that
32:15
Speaker 1: doctor Neil was innocent, which made like everybody laugh, but
32:18
Speaker 1: the jury is like, yeah, Matilda Clover died from strickenine poisoning,
32:24
Speaker 1: which was provided by Thomas Neil. So they were learning
32:28
Speaker 1: about Thomas Neil Cream, and one of the things that
32:31
Speaker 1: comes up is obviously the fact that he was convicted
32:34
Speaker 1: for murder by poison in eighteen eighty one, and so
32:39
Speaker 1: you know, this all comes together and on the third
32:44
Speaker 1: of June eighteen ninety two, Thomas Neil Cream was arrested
32:47
Speaker 1: for the murder of Matilda Clover and on the thirteenth
32:50
Speaker 1: of July he was formerly charged with the murders of
32:54
Speaker 1: Matilda and the rest of the girls. So he gets
32:58
Speaker 1: this at the inquest right in July, there is a
33:03
Speaker 1: letter which is apparently signed by Jack the Ripper and
33:06
Speaker 1: it's read by apple Stand Braxton Hicks.
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Speaker 5: Now, I just wanted to say the name athel Stand
33:12
Speaker 5: Braxton Hicks because it's.
33:13
Speaker 1: It's really nice. If I ever get another pet, I'm
33:16
Speaker 1: naming it athel Stand because that's just oh, it's like Abernathy.
33:21
Speaker 1: It's just a lovely name to roll off the tongue anyway.
33:26
Speaker 1: So when he's arrested and charged, he's like, I couldn't
33:29
Speaker 1: be the murderer because this is because I'm only Thomas Neil.
33:33
Speaker 1: I'm not Thomas Neil Cream. And it's like, all right,
33:38
Speaker 1: that's not no, okay, no, you're the same person, motherfucker.
33:43
Speaker 5: We have a description. Oh yeah, you both have the.
33:47
Speaker 1: Same name and also look remarkably similar and also have
33:50
Speaker 1: the same accent. What the actual fuck? Anyway, So he
33:54
Speaker 1: goes to trial from the seventeenth to twenty first of
33:57
Speaker 1: October in eighteen ninety two, and the jury braids for
34:01
Speaker 1: twelve minutes, finding him guilty on all counts. Yeah, and
34:08
Speaker 1: justice is served by Justice Henry Hawkins, who sentences him
34:13
Speaker 1: to death. And on the fifteenth of November eighteen ninety two,
34:18
Speaker 1: Thomas Neil Cream is hanged by the neck until death
34:22
Speaker 1: at Newgate Prison by executioner James Billington. So basically, as
34:27
Speaker 1: he was on like the scaffolding and he was about
34:29
Speaker 1: to have a short drop in a sudden stop. Apparently,
34:33
Speaker 1: the executioner says that he was starting to say I
34:35
Speaker 1: am Jack the you know, trying to claim he was
34:38
Speaker 1: Jack thereper.
34:39
Speaker 5: But first of all emo completely different.
34:41
Speaker 1: Just anyway, even the victims weren't the same type of victim,
34:45
Speaker 1: but we're going to discuss that at another point. And
34:48
Speaker 1: I mean, if nothing else, Cream was in prison during
34:52
Speaker 1: the ripper's layings, like he wasn't in the country, he
34:56
Speaker 1: couldn't have done it, and in death he's treated like
34:59
Speaker 1: every you know, fucking criminal. He gets buried on the
35:03
Speaker 1: same day beneath the flagstone to the prison marked back
35:07
Speaker 1: like an initial. And then in nineteen oh two of
35:09
Speaker 1: the body's disinterred and the body has moved to London
35:13
Speaker 1: Municipal Cemetery and he is buried in an unmarked grave in.
35:19
Speaker 5: Section three three nine. So fuck you, sir, fuck you now.
35:26
Speaker 5: And so ends the story of doctor Thomas Neil Kream.
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Speaker 1: I am so sorry took this long to get this
35:31
Speaker 1: episode out to you, but I'm hoping this is all
35:34
Speaker 1: okay because this has all been done.
35:36
Speaker 2: On my phone, so hopefully this is fine.
35:39
Speaker 1: But let's finish off with what we learned today. What
35:43
Speaker 1: we learned today is that strip like men really do
35:48
Speaker 1: have the fucking audacity, don't they really do? Like, I mean,
35:53
Speaker 1: apart from the fact he was clearly a fucking sadist
35:57
Speaker 1: who liked to have control and wanted who just in
36:00
Speaker 1: joyed women having agonizing deaths, even if he wasn't there
36:03
Speaker 1: to specifically watch over it himself. On top of that,
36:09
Speaker 1: the fact that you thought you was smart enough to
36:12
Speaker 1: like extort people and back male people for cromes he
36:15
Speaker 1: fucking committed, like okay, And like the fact that lots
36:21
Speaker 1: of the female victims they had literally described cream.
36:26
Speaker 5: If you had just gone out of Lambeth at the time,
36:28
Speaker 5: taken away scat.
36:29
Speaker 1: Around, you would have fucking noticed him, Like this is
36:33
Speaker 1: why I'm very much in favor of believing victims, Like
36:36
Speaker 1: I'm a believe victims first, and if we make a mistake,
36:39
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
36:40
Speaker 5: But the amount of times women have been.
36:44
Speaker 1: Spoken over and being invalidated and lied about consistently, like
36:52
Speaker 1: I would much rather believe a victim first and be
36:54
Speaker 1: proven wrong than allow someone to be hurt and another
36:59
Speaker 1: person to be destroyed just because you didn't want to
37:05
Speaker 1: upset somebody's feelings, Like what, no, fuck you anyway, What
37:13
Speaker 1: we learned today is men have always had audacity. We
37:18
Speaker 1: should believe victims and you know, being and also like
37:24
Speaker 1: the illusion of wealth and social standing, really get you
37:27
Speaker 1: away with a lot, like doesn't it?
37:30
Speaker 2: Just AnyWho?
37:32
Speaker 1: Lets do a recommendation time. You know what. I'm gonna
37:36
Speaker 1: recommend actually Toast of London. I started watching it and
37:40
Speaker 1: I'm fucking dying. It's Matt Berry is an absolute genius
37:44
Speaker 1: and he's hilarious for listening. I'm gonna recommend The Queen's Podcast,
37:52
Speaker 1: not as in The Queen, but Queen's Podcast, and their
37:57
Speaker 1: stuff is really fucking funny, funny, They're smart, and they
38:02
Speaker 1: tell the story in a way that I really appreciate.
38:05
Speaker 1: And I may even use them for research in the
38:09
Speaker 1: future because they're Their stuff is so good. I love it. Anyway,
38:15
Speaker 1: I'm going to really try and edit this together now,
38:17
Speaker 1: and I don't know how well it's gonna turn out.
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Speaker 1: So please go on to Apple podcast, Spotify, rate and
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38:27
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38:30
Speaker 1: because I'm going to be too scared to re listen
38:32
Speaker 1: to it, I think. Anyway, I hope you all had
38:36
Speaker 1: a really great weekend and I am gonna I'm gonna
38:41
Speaker 1: chat to you next time.
38:43
Speaker 5: Adios or revoir of Where Is Them?
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Speaker 2: My friends?
38:46
Speaker 5: Bye?
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Speaker 1: Bye,