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Talks to sparring partner Jason Miller about his choice of Logopolis (1/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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Welcome back to you. I have some of a blunt penknife
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the Doctor Who commentary podcast after an absence, the
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size of the universe or the ever-decreasing universe itself.
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I am back here with my sparring partner Jason Miller say hello
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Jason Till I hope you are ready for what I'm going to bring over
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the next two hours and my prediction is pain.
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Bring it my, bring it. Now I'll tell you what, right?
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I think you and I are on the same page about the story.
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I think we both love this. We are not and I've come here
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with receipts and I'm not going to settle a score with you.
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That is probably about 17 years old.
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So you and I both used to be regular posters on Stacy Smith
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question marks the ratings guide and we didn't interact much 15
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years ago when we were both in our posting Heyday.
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But if you go back to the ratings guide you and I both
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Both reviewed logopolis. Spoiler alert for today's
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recording in sequence. So my review is posted on New
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Year's Eve, 2003, and it is a screen and a half of absolute
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gushing. Dare I say almost orgasmic
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praised for logopolis. And then the very next review is
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by one Breanna Kelly young, Joe Ford posted about eight months
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later. I was young, right?
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And he says he hasn't used as there seems to be a theory in
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Doctor Who found that logopolis is one of the best stories to
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have ever been transmitted and that it is a fitting and
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climactic and to the ultimate doctors rain.
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Well I say expletive deleted to that and more besides logopolis
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is nowhere near the best Doctor Who story it certainly isn't the
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best Tom Baker story and it's not even the best of season 18.
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It's a story that aspires to Greatness but never reaches it.
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That teases with a coherent story line, but instead the
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lights and frustrating the random viewer.
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It is the weakest Christopher H, big made Story by a square mile
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and reveals that. The poor guy is running out of
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steam after practically rewriting every single story for
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the season or so, he claims. So, this is the guy that I am
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here to spar with today, we're going to go 15 rounds, right?
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No unfortunately if that's what ho you're going to be highly
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disappointed. I like you have here bearing a
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60 year old 70 year old grudge over this review and I came here
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to bring the pain what happened I was going to ask you how long
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you been sitting on this for 16 years.
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That there's a long time garage. Unfortunately time and age has
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matured me and I don't know if you listen to my recent gnomon
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be praised. The episode about logopolis.
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But I've found that an intense amount of love.
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This story over the last 16 years, and I will be coming to
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celebrate, its successes with you.
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But I will say, I don't think this is the strongest story of
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season 18. That's the one part of that with
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that terrible review, that I wrote all those years back.
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That's the one part I would still say, I think Warriors gate
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is the strongest story of this season, for a lot of reasons.
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But apart from that, I rather like this.
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Now, so I I'm sorry. Sorry about that.
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Actually I did listen to you. Now, I'm on be praised episode
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and after I heard your ruminations on one John Fraser,
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you received a mystery present in the mail.
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And now the truth can be revealed that I am the source of
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that mystery present. I mean, I knew that right,
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excuse me, you're the first strike Master sent me
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pornographic books in the post honestly.
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Pretty racy book. Hey, why didn't know how
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prolific John Fraser was? Because I'm a little bit behind
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on my Dirk bogarde. 1950s British epic movies.
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So I was watching logopolis this past summer, this past August as
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part of my Twitter pilgrimage and any time I watch the story
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I, of course, have the DVD info text on.
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So now I'm watching the gospels for the first time on the season
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8. Teen Blu-ray which has the
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all-new written info text and it talked about Fraser's career and
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his autobiography. So I immediately run over to
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Amazon, not only is the book still in print and in stock on
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Amazon UK but it's still in print and in stock on Amazon us.
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So I ordered myself a copy and then I played your hamster and I
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ordered you a copy and I have read the book and it is It will
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curl your hair. It will pop your eyebrows.
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This is a shocking shockingly racy book.
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It's amazing but it's shockingly.
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Scandalously razy, is it most scandalous than the giant ebook?
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Let's scandalous than the jayanti book because John Fraser
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himself does not commit any criminal behavior and there's no
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real Gary Downey type, villain lurking to the book but dude is
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it is a joyful exploration of what it was like to be closeted
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in Hollywood. Good and in London, cinema in
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the 40s and 50s, and 60s, and he names names, and he gives
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receipts. And he just tells very, very
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funny story. Now, this is a family podcast.
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Joe, I know you don't, you don't be telling these stories on your
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show, so I'll spare you the details.
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But it is an amazing, amazing book.
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Ezio cellphone this podcast, okay, this is definitely PG-13.
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We do not touch upon these things.
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However, I mean I have to apologize.
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Got haven't read the book yet. Life is rather got in the way.
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In the last six months, I haven't read any books in the
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last six months. Actually has a shocking
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admission but I will get to that because well, racy.
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So say, you know, I love about that.
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So I would get to that, however, I'm hoping you'll add a few
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details when John Fraser join us the story.
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Because obviously you have, well, listen.
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I am queued up and ready to go. If you are, I am queued up and
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ready to go, right? Well, can't believe you read out
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loud. You bastard?
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I bring my receipts job. My next time, I'll come this.
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Love you weekends ago. Robert bring one of yours.
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All right, I have not been on this show in nine months, and I
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just was sitting on this and sitting on this like, entropy
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ready to unleash upon the universe.
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Oh, um, well, first of all, we call be introduced to Teague.
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And you wanker, and we will know.
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Okay, all right. So count as in Our count us down
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in part 4. Part 3 part, 2 part 1 go.
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I've got a question for you. Straight off the bat.
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It's not a Joe Ford podcast. It doesn't begin.
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Until Joe asks, I have a question for you.
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I end this. Let's go, let's do it.
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We're just thought I'd point out.
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When I went on track one last week, Jason use that exact tone
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of through. On at me, I'm a naughty boy,
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aren't I is this the most structured or the most
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successfully structured season of classic Who, that's a really
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good question. And I think you and I both know
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the answer already. It's the first season of Doctor
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Who that is actually structured like a season with a proper
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beginning. Middle, and end, unless you
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count series 1 back in. Nineteen, sixty three, sixty
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four. But here every story leads into
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the next, there's a big Revelation here that ties back
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to full circle know later on in the story.
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So big need was certainly knew exactly what he was doing and
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it's almost modern. It's almost 21st century and
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it's in a style, you know what? Small businesses even though he
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had some structure this to this year there was still
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unpredictable elements for hurting because the master was
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never supposed to be a keeper truck and we'll see I'm bid me,
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recite, right? I am not going to put him in the
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Keeper at Rockin. He's going to be the main
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Villain at the end of the season as well.
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And I think one of the reasons season 18 works so well, is this
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is where Peter grimwade joins the series and direct his first
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two stories. And I have a question for you,
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on the all-time great Doctor Who directors, and we just saw the
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very famous scene where the police officers pulled into the
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Tardis. Where do you slide grimwade?
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And Doctor? Who's great directors?
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I mean, I've never skated to pay rent by tomorrow.
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Thank you very much but I wear, I would slice.
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He's mad. He's out there.
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So I would say probably like the top three directors of classic
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who I'd probably put Douglas Can field at the top.
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Graham half a second and Peter greenaway third.
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So that's how high is for me. Interesting.
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My list is probably pretty similar.
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I mean, having just finished the classic series pilgrimage.
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I think Andrew Morgan is worthy of a spot somewhere in the top
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10, if not the top 5, but looking at the stuff that Grim
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way, did I just always wowed by his directorial flourishes?
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So, you know, I haven't been on hamster in a while.
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And when I was doing all my episodes early on, we used to
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talk about these shows scene by scene and I think the Paw Cast
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has evolved. So, I think, rather than doing
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my usual scene by scene discussion, I think it would
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help to talk about this story person by person.
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So, we're talking about grimwade now and then, we can discuss
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some other people associated with the show, as they pop up on
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screen. But what about grimwade works
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for you? What makes you ranked him?
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So highly. Well, what did he do?
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Full circle, logopolis Kinder and Earth shock and those are
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Our for very disparate stories tonally, they are completely
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different stories and he Aces. Every single one of them in Full
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Circle, it's probably one of the most robust Productions Doctor
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Who is able to put out. I watch Full Circle this week
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and I thought it looked incredible.
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Like he has an absolute hat. Confident handle on story on
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another planet, which not a lot of threats as adults.
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Who do with this, he absolutely gets the toes.
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Right. That funereal tone that is
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needed in this story, to see, Tom Baker out and I feel every
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single scene in this is a pop and maybe the scenes now between
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not Vanessa and Teagan kind of lean into that mood with Kinder.
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He's got the like a very cerebral.
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Very surreal story that he's telling and he just Wow's with
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some completely out their video effects and set pieces and
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without shock, he's having to tell I an action adventure story
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and he does it like no other director in Doctor Who I think
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in the last episode of Earth shock, it's something like 150
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separate scenes in a 25-minute story.
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So, it is absolutely got the place it needs.
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I just think he was a shock, any competent director, who would
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read the script, and he understood what he had to do?
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What his part was in, bringing it to life.
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Here we go. I think Bravo and I'm going to
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agree to all that. Then you talked about the
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editing that he did with Earth shock with 150 shots in a 25
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minute episode, but the Cliffhanger to part 3 of Kenda,
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you know, I just came back from Ally, who the annual Long Island
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Doctor, Who convention, and every year, I run a panel called
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Cliffhangers exclamation point and in about 45 to 50 minutes,
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my co-panelists and I will discuss, you know, 20 or T5
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Cliffhangers and I just realized that I should have run the
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kindda are three Cliffhanger. I've run the logopolis part 3
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Cliffhanger. So we'll see that fairly soon
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that many years. But the kingdom part 3, the
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editing and the way that he synchronizes the video to the
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countdown clocks and the mounting tension and the
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superimposed video effects. We don't give him enough credit
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for the editing that he did because editing now is easy.
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Alton a digital, the editing that you would have had to do,
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you know, almost with an exacto knife and cellophane tape in
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1981 1982, it would have been a back-breaking effort to assemble
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some of the cuts that he did and yet he did it and you know, we
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take it for granted now because it's such a modern look.
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But for its time that's sort of editing was Manic.
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And frantic then I want to tell a funny anecdote because we just
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saw Tegan and Auntie Vanessa's house.
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I'm sure you've seen on the I think it was on the Meg Lohse
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DVD. The original do, you know whose
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house that was? That they were using as Tegan
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and Aunt Vanessa's house? So it's Andrew McCulloch, and
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the other fellows house, isn't it?
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It's the house. They were living in, as they
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were writing Negros. I know that reading this.
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Yeah. Location manager came around.
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It was there else. And they thought, the location
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manager would come around from the BBC to collect.
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There are long overdue script. But no, they were just Trying to
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use the house for for the logopolis exteriors.
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That is a great story. I think like very quickly kind
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of song up on Peter greenaway, I just feel like structurally.
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Yeah, kind of emotionally. Hey, just, and sort of
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creatively, he gave everything he had liked by all accounts.
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He was a very manic director who went round with his fingers like
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that, like, as a square like, checking out, camera angles,
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like between his fingers all the time driving, the actors bloody
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Bonkers, but who cares? Like who cares about the actors
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when the results is good? As this if you listen to any
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Janet and pure audio commentary they're always making fun of him
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for going around with with the hands on the Square.
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And I think Matthew Waterhouse in his audio, autobiography blue
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box boy. He was a little dismissive of
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grimwade as well, if memory serves me right, the apologize.
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If on mischaracterizing them The site, you know the grief what's
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the guy who directed The Shining called Kubrick Stanley Kubrick
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you know like driving everybody mad trying to get this thing
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perfect but he's one of the best directors we ever had.
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Like maybe the payoffs worth it. Well, Kubrick was kind of
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abusive. If you listen to the
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behind-the-scenes stories on The Shining, when he was making
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Shelley, Duvall do 62 takes of a single scene, nothing, it
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literally gave her a nervous breakdown.
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Grimwade is working in a studio where, you know, the clock turns
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off 10:00 whether you're ready or not, and we have thanks to
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the Blu-rays. We have a lot of his Studio
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footage. We can actually see him direct.
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He was down on the floor, he was winding up the shots.
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Personally, rather than just lurking in the gallery like a
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ghost you see I shouldn't between him and Tom made.
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His comeback is obviously a wee bit toxic himself at this point.
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He's leaving, right? I'm running show and he's pissed
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basically and then this in the Regeneration sequence where he's
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asked to beckon, With a hand, he's just going.
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Well, I don't want to go back and tell him.
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I'm not gonna beckon, you know, like don't make a space be a
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Grimm waves and angry bloke, director me.
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I mean, poor Matthew wore out. He must be ducking under that
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console every five minutes. Use egos about the place.
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Well, this is only a year after Tom Baker, got Allan Bromley
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fired from the middle of night mayor of Eden.
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You know, let's not just think that it's grimwade is the one
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rotten egg that cause Tom Baker to snap the mid-40s time.
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Baker in the late 70s when it was going to snap at the nicest
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director in the world. It's true.
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But Tom Baker in this story takes his character to whole new
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depths. And I want to reserve talking
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about that until some of the later episodes.
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But I'll still one of my favorite, Tom Baker,
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performances out of his entire seven-year run even though it's
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his last story even though he's on the way out the door and he's
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got, you know, a male companion for the first time since I have
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a Sullivan, it's just him and a drink in the TARDIS.
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I think Tom Baker is amazing, and no matter how angry he may
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have been during filming that doesn't show up in his
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performance. Whereas, there are other stories
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where he's clearly phoning it in and clearly going into operation
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shut down. But in this story if he was
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holding a grudge on grimwade it is not visible or is not
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audible. I'm gonna buy the Final Cut and
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disagree with you. I agree with you that this is
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one of his best performances. He absolutely saved the best for
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last and I think it's because J NT and Pete grimwade.
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And Christopher H, bid me well, All strong characters and they
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pretty much forced him in his last season you will do.
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What's on the page. Big me talks about coming down
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on the set and saying stop, you. No ad-libbing say the script as
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it is we've written this script. Say it, as it is like they were
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strong enough to stand up to me in like it but that's what he
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had to do. I defy you to find a story where
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Tom Baker is phoning it in I think that is a myth that people
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blow out of the water and if you're going to stop Some of
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those light Williams stories. I can rip off any argument that
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you have in those stories that's actually not where I was going.
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I have a, I'm not a fan of the early Williams that was, when
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Baker started to get out of control and Williams, didn't
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really have, you know, he's a young guy.
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Didn't really have the presence. This is the biggest example that
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I can remember anything either. My pilgrimage, tweets.
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I pointed out as it goes, there are parts of planet of evil
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where he is literally, you know, asleep on the set or Just
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upstaging everyone else in the background of the scene.
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The by clearly being not dialed in and clearly not wanting to be
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there, and there's other examples scattered throughout.
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It's not just, you know, the end of the G Williams ear.
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It's not just a nightmare of Eden, but if he didn't like a
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script, it is often invisible in his performance.
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But by All rights, when here, he's at his angriest and he's
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ready to go, he could have tank the story and he doesn't.
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And is Mesmerizing the me. Yes, he was given great.
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Frances throughout, it's hard to top his intensity, and pyramids
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of mars, or the comedy in robot or is rapport with Julian Glover
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in city of death. But going back to grimwade for a
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moment. Think about the guest cast, that
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the Tom Baker is given in the story.
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The mean you have dolor, Whiteman, who is hilarious?
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She is so good. You almost wish that she was not
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confined to episode 1 hasten, your father's hog.
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Farm is not in the outback, not there and obviously this Could
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you imagine a station? We're told by Colonel.
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You Vanessa. It would have been the greatest
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season of Doctor Who you would have had people cosplaying as
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Auntie. Vanessa, a cons, the, you would
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have had the two of them doing a whole, you know, 15, big finish
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box. That's it would have been
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glorious. It would it be?
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It's hard to imagine a better to some than those two in the
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Tardis together for years and years.
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Will you indulge me just for one second because can you imagine,
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right? Make the matching like season?
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15 was Tom Baker and a media do car season.
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Teen was Tom Baker and Amelia Rumford and season 18 was Tom
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Baker. A not even s that.
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I mean, wouldn't they just be the best seasons ever?
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You imagine some of those season 19 stories, but with Tom and the
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lore Whiteman, rather than Peter Davis said in Matthew Waterhouse
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and imagine the two of them and time flight.
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I mean, I'd imagine the two of them as for to Doomsday.
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Thank land that cold in prehistoric.
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They both be there going my God, how many Whiskey's did we have
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last night? You know, that Joe?
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I have a question for you. So I was listening to your
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hamster, commentary on, Twin dilemma some time ago and you
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had made the point that Kevin me.
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Now, he would have been the great male companion and Season
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22 because there's one male pseudo companion and every
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season 22 story and they could have just put Kevin McNally in
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that spot because he and Colin Baker.
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Get on like a house on fire ant window.
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Emma and Kevin me. Now he is easily one of the best
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things about that story. Now, we are recording this two
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or three days after Village of the Angels, flux chapter 4, and
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that is Kevin McNally's. Long-awaited return to Doctor
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Who now the lower Whiteman, of course, never gets to come back.
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But what do you think of Kevin McNally?
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This last week's episode coming back in a much more sensible
21:38
costume that he wore the last time I thought he was
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incredible, I thought His character was incredible just
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the bit where he was like yeah everyone else fights an angel
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was shitting their pants, he just goes, you are observed.
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Like hey was terrific man. Oh man chipper I mean I love Dan
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but chip off Dan this. Have Professor used to switch
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his name. Agnostics was his name, Eustace
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Jericho eustatius, Jericho and how nice that he actually got to
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appear in, you know, like a classic rather than adults.
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We, it hasn't aired yet, but we recorded the Trap one last night
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for chapter 4 and I think it was Adam, who made the point?
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This is the best Doctor, Who Story, featuring Kevin McNally,
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and I defended you and I said, Joe Ford is going to have some
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very strongly worded opinions about that, because twin dilemma
22:34
is to Joe. What pyramids of Mars is for me.
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So when that episode comes out, there will be a nice little love
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letter to John. Go forward in the Twin dilemma
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embedded in that recording you were dressed ahh because I do
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like between Dynamic but it's not like a classic there are
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also issues there there are some issues there.
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I've got a question for you then while we're back in questions
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back and forth like a tennis match.
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What do you think about a Tardis in a Tardis in a Tardis in a
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tardis so you're cheating a little bit because you're
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looking at me on zoom and I have my cat smudge on my lap walking
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around in circles. But what is the zoom background
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behind me? Joe, what do you, what are you
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looking at? When you see me, you have a
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beautiful picture of the TARDIS inside.
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The Tardis console with the telephone hanging on its wire,
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which is literally what you've just been watching with Tom and
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Matthew doing there Tardis prop clowning.
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It is an iconic. Image and it works so well,
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especially as we get into the Tardis within the Tardis.
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The Tardis prop is so pleasing on the eye, particularly the
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shade of blue. They were using the this season
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and it looks so both natural and out of place at the same time
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and every time they go into the Tardis within the Tardis, how
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the lighting goes down, more and more as if they're kind of going
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deeper. There's darker.
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And it gets especially in the novelization.
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Where it gets colder and colder. And as you can literally see
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their breath, I would have been great if I could have put some
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frost on this artist remembering Amy's Choice when they have the,
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I started see if it had got like more like that, as it went.
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Along my confession for you, is that I've only seen Amy's Choice
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once on the day that it aired. And if I had to write a list of
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everything that I remember from Amy's choice, I probably can
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only recall about 45 seconds of it.
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Well, we'll go inside another time.
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Well, I am about to Embark upon my new series.
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Talking major, I'm doing a little Wilderness years detour
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right now and I'll be watching the new series straight through.
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I'll be watching all the stuff that I haven't seen in many
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cases and, you know, 10 or 15 years, but not trying to drag us
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bodily back until the gospels. We've talked a bit about the
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lore. Whiteman, we talked a lot about
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Peter grimwade. Let's talk about the atmosphere
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because it's not just a director doing this thing in isolation.
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I mean, they'll of the crane shot looking down on the orange
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colored Tardis console Room is Tom and Matthew were walking
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through is great. That's a great crane shot.
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Where do you think Patty Kingsland fits as the great
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incidental music composers on Doctor Who High very high?
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And I think this is one of the best schools.
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Okay. So I've got the Doctor Who 50th
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album, right? And they, the first track, I
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always play on that is, is the, it's the end.
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So, the last sequence where he's up on the tower and he's
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struggling and the whole thing right the way through so
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regeneration. Yeah.
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People criticize the radio, funny workshop for something,
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you know, very Tetris, very sort of early Super Mario.
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Brothers, I loved, I listen to music but I do think it was time
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for a change here and I think, certainly in season 18 and 19
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Patty Kingsland and Peter, how are doing striking things with
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the music? I love the Lisa Simpson and so
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many Dudley Simpson themes are endlessly.
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You know, humbler, singable Patty score is so gorgeous and
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every score he didn't was a little bit different.
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I mean, you always know when it when it's him, but his Hard Rock
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score, fits module on dead. I might need to go to, I'll do
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it again. All right.
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It sounds as if you're actually playing the guitar rather than
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just imitating one. But I'll tell you a story.
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When I was living in the Midwest for law school in the mid-1990s,
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didn't have a television. My first year, I went through an
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entire year of law school without a TV set.
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All I had was the internet and this was dial-up internet on a
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2400 baud modem. So it was text only, it wasn't
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the full internet as we know it today.
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And I had my books and the new adventures would come out.
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I would get a new adventure when it will be finished with In
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about a minute and a half, then I have to wait, you know, twenty
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nine more days for the next one. But I was also on records Doctor
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Who and I had a pretty thriving, the Doctor Who fan Frank
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Community, even at that time. So there was a guy who lived up
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in Ann Arbor Michigan. He was about 45 minutes away and
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he would drive down every so often and show me a stack of
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videos. That's all I got to see the Air
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Zone solution and the devil of winterbourne and all the other
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Bill bag stuff that was cycling around at the time.
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But one of my friends it's probably the most Thoughtful
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gift that I've ever received. One of my friends Made For Me
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on/off are recording of logopolis in Castro Valley but
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just the music. Oh wow, there's occasional
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Snippets of dialogue, you know, throwing it a scene start and
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stop but it's one audio cassette.
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Double-sided, just the music from logopolis, One audio
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cassette, double-sided, just the music from Castro valve.
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I played those things almost nightly and I probably worn
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those tapes down, you know, to the point of being inaudible.
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They actually had we'll get to it in part to the theme.
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You the lookout. Police funeral theme
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doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo is the background on my answering
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machine for about a week and a half.
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And then somebody called me goes Jayson.
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Well, why do you have Funeral Home music on your answering
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machine? So I took it off.
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The music is so beautiful. And so, haunting trying a large
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portions of the score are seared upon my conscience.
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As I'm very few days go by when I don't have some petty Kings,
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In my head and you can't really say that about Mark errors.
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You can't really say that about Malcolm Clark.
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You can't really say that about most of the Doctor Who they have
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some very good scores out there. But I think Patti Kingsland for
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me is Numero Uno. You know, you know I'm going to
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disagree with you. Don't you I think Mark has is
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probably in my top three. I think his score for great
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showing the Galaxy curse of fenric and Ghostlight are out of
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this world. I'm going to agree with you to a
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point because I just finished series 26 on my pilgrimage and
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especially after cap McCulloch and his Casio keyboard and his
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hand claps. What is it?
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Don't you touch him? All right, Mark airs does
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gorgeous music but it's background music and it fits the
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scene. I don't go around humming errors
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that humming airs from our tears.
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Ha ha, let me be the worst pun ever told on the hamster with a
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blunt penknife The Heirs of heirs.
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But ripped for saying, this because macaron is always rips
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at me for saying this about Shakedown return sontarans.
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But Marquez, doesn't fantastic score in that as well.
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He was scoring. All of those sort of bb bb V
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videos in the 90s, you know, more than 30 years in the Tardis
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as well, which is got lovely music.
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I will be watching more than 30 years in the Tardis tomorrow.
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Tonight I'm doing a 20th anniversary special.
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We're recording this on November the 23rd.
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We picked this date on purpose. So tonight, for my spin-off
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podcast, I'm doing to Random episodes, The Classic series and
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I don't know which ones yet. That's tonight.
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Tomorrow night is going to be the more than 30 years and then
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Thursday, which for us is a holiday will be Shakedown.
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So I have not seen Shakedown every I've only read the
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novelization. So I don't know the score.
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So I'll keep an ear out for the score and I'll tag you in my
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Shakedown Post in two days time. You're right.
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I'll let you know what. I think of it.
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You are in for a treat. Mats are filtered and Carolina
30:17
voters Shakedown, you've never seen in your life.
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Now, this is a small bit for Tom, George said he was
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previously in the Genesis of the Daleks.
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How do you like him in this in a small scene?
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As the detective Sergeant? I think it's one of the great
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underrated performance as He's so sardonic and so cynical, and
30:39
he's not taking anything. Tom Baker is giving, and you
30:42
rarely see a guest cast member, who is able to hold his own
30:45
against Todd Baker, like that, let me see.
30:47
In Genesis of the Daleks, it's a minor part.
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He is Garmin is number two, he's a scientist called cavalcade
30:53
aave LL. It's a much smaller part than he
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has here, and I hear me, um, I mean he's good.
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I'm not sure if I had, if I had put him up that high other
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thing. He's like, like terrifically
31:08
memorable, but he's very good, admittedly.
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It's a small part, but I often quote him at work.
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I'm not paid to have opinions. We'll look, that is that is the
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end of it. Episode one, would you believe?
31:26
And you, all right. Doing barely talked about the
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content, that's all. But like you said this, It has
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evolved and sometimes we do and sometimes we don't, there's some
31:35
of the ideas and some of the performances that I'd like to
31:39
touch upon in episode 2. But I've got a feeling, you've
31:43
got some names. You're going to throw out there
31:45
to talk about more of the contributors.
31:47
I can't wait to hear what that is.
31:30
It has evolved and sometimes we do and sometimes we don't,
31:35
there's some of the ideas and some of the performances that
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I'd like to touch upon in episode 2.
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But I've got a feeling, you've got some names.
31:43
You're going to throw out there to talk about more of the
31:46
contributors. I can't wait to hear what that
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is.