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PERSONAL TRAINER ELENA MOORE MISSING FROM PLANET FITNESS · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Bob Shell. Tonight, a glamorous personal trainer Elena Moore missing
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Speaker 1: from Planet Fitness. Good evening. I mean to see Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us at this hour. The search is on
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Speaker 1: for a so called glamorous workout enthusiast fitness instructor. Elena
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Speaker 1: goes missing from a Planet Fitness. There you see her.
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Speaker 1: This is completely out of character. This is not a
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Speaker 1: young woman who wants me time or to go off
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Speaker 1: with her what secret boyfriend? That's what police always seemed
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Speaker 1: to say whenever somebody goes missing. Jennifer Wood joining us
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Speaker 1: along with an all star panel. Jennifer, director of research
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Speaker 1: at fitznews dot com. You recognize her. You know why
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Speaker 1: you recognize her because of that pos technical legal term
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Speaker 1: Alex and Murdog. She broke one story after the next
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Speaker 1: on him as we wait for his next trial. Big
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Speaker 1: question regarding him. Will there be a death penalty? But
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Speaker 1: that's for another night. Jennifer Wood, how do you just
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Speaker 1: disappear from the parking lot at Planet Fitness. I need
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Speaker 1: to hear this. I mean, hey, while she's talking, let's
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Speaker 1: see an aerial view of this place.
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Speaker 2: What we know right now is that Elena Moore Will
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Speaker 2: checked in a Planet Fitness at six point forty and
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Speaker 2: shortly afterwards she was spotted walking around back by the
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Speaker 2: lows into a near a wooded area. Lexington Police Department
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Speaker 2: have since searched that wooded area. I would like to
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Speaker 2: put out it is not an expansive wooded area. I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's just you know, kind of like one of those
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Speaker 2: wooded areas that separates a neighborhood from a shopping center.
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Speaker 1: So it's it's.
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Speaker 2: Really it's a really crazy pace. I can't figure out
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Speaker 2: where this young woman has gone.
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Speaker 1: Now. You know what's interesting, Jennifer Wood. Across the green
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Speaker 1: is the FBI there in Lexington, South Carolina. They have
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Speaker 1: an FBI outpost right across. I'm trying to identify it
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Speaker 1: from here. Yeah, oh, thank you, thank you. Look at
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Speaker 1: that right under the nose of the FBI. She disappears. Now,
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Speaker 1: you stated Jennifer Wood joining us from fitznews dot com
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Speaker 1: six forty pm, and we've actually got her on surveillance.
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Speaker 1: Is this her checking in or checking out? Jennifer, Let's
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Speaker 1: see it again. There you go.
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Speaker 2: Police were not clear as to whether or not she
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Speaker 2: was checking into the gym or checking out in that video.
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Speaker 2: But her time clock on her check in with her
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Speaker 2: key fob was six forty So it's I mean, and
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Speaker 2: that is not a remote area. Lexington is very populous.
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Speaker 2: There are neighbors. There are neighborhoods everywhere, houses all over
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Speaker 2: the place. Lake Murray, which is a huge lake, is
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Speaker 2: about a mile from there. So yeah, I mean, it
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Speaker 2: is just hard to believe that somebody vanished in the
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Speaker 2: thin air in that area.
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Speaker 1: Let's see the photo of her either checking in or
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Speaker 1: checking out. This gives us a lot of information. See
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Speaker 1: what she's wearing. She's wearing an army green I believe
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Speaker 1: it is. If you compare it to her pants, it's
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Speaker 1: not black. It's army green zip up hoodie. She's got
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Speaker 1: brown hair back in a bun. She's wearing black tights.
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Speaker 1: It looks like she's got a Fiji water in her hand.
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Speaker 1: There are the witnesses, and we've got a time. We've
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Speaker 1: got her fobbing in electronically at six forty p m. Hey,
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Speaker 1: Dave macwhile you're sitting there, look up for me on
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Speaker 1: the almanac, what time was sunset the night that she
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Speaker 1: goes missing? There you see her again. Now she checks
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Speaker 1: in around six thirty to six forty PM. It's around
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Speaker 1: eight thirty when she is observed walking away from the gym.
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Speaker 1: This place has got to be saturated with video cameras, saturated.
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Speaker 1: But I want to know, Dave Mack, when you dig
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Speaker 1: it up, just let me know what time was sunset? Now?
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Speaker 1: What is around the area?
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Speaker 3: So that was at eight thirty seven pm?
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Speaker 1: Okay, So she goes in at six forty she's leaving,
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Speaker 1: leaving around eight thirty right when it gets dark. Significant Now,
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Woods, you're you've been there on the scene. This
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Speaker 1: is what I know about the area. There's a Low's,
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Speaker 1: you know, the home improvement store right there. It's a
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Speaker 1: long coffin farm Lane. We know the FBI is just
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Speaker 1: beyond the green. And when we say a wooded area
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Speaker 1: behind it, I don't mean a big expanse like the
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Speaker 1: Carlton Reserve where Bryant Laundry took his own life. I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about a strip of a greenery between the strip
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Speaker 1: and like apartments the FBI. And more so, it's not
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Speaker 1: as if she goes and gets lost in a vast,
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Speaker 1: densely wooded area. What else is around there, Jennifer Wood.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's just like any suburban area there. You know,
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Speaker 2: there's a home depot, lows pharmacies. I mean is it
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Speaker 2: is the strip where all the shopping centers are, you know,
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Speaker 2: and that's where we go to the movies as a family.
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Speaker 4: While the investigators were following the cameras throughout the town,
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Speaker 4: they noticed that the CBS was not the last place
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Speaker 4: that Ms. Moore was seen at and that led us
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Speaker 4: to Planet Fitness. When she exited the Planet Fitness, it's
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Speaker 4: unknown whether she went behind the building or into the
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Speaker 4: wooded area. We don't know if she walked behind the building,
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Speaker 4: if she walked into the woods. Hence why we're doing
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Speaker 4: the canvas search right now. So it's it's anyone's guess
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Speaker 4: at this point.
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Speaker 1: Jennifer, What do we mean by a canvas search? By
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Speaker 1: the way, that's from WLTX and WIS canvas search. What
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Speaker 1: did they do immediately?
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Speaker 2: So it sounds like they were out there with on
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Speaker 2: foot with dogs. They had drones overhead searching that area.
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Speaker 2: They were very clear in their messaging that it was
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Speaker 2: not a recovery mission mission of any kind. It was
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Speaker 2: just a search to make sure that she was not
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Speaker 2: in that area where she was last seen walking.
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Speaker 1: Towards guys tonight, the search is on for a gorgeous
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Speaker 1: young fitness instructor. What do we know about her? Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to Missy Silcox from Lexington PD.
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Speaker 4: She is a personal trainer over at Wolfe's Gym and
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Speaker 4: the last we thought the last sighting of her was
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Speaker 4: at the CVS as reported earlier. However, once she left
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Speaker 4: the CVS, she went to Planet Fitness and we have
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Speaker 4: her clocked in on her old barcode and at six
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Speaker 4: pm and she left at eight I believe like eight
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Speaker 4: thirty or so.
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Speaker 1: Some of that video we're showing yous from WLTX, so
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Speaker 1: thank you to our friends there. She is a personal
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Speaker 1: trainer at Wolfe's Gym. Now, if you look at the
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Speaker 1: police flyer about her being missing, it gives you the
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Speaker 1: location of the CBS. Originally that's was thought to be
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Speaker 1: the last place she had been seeing. No, she went
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Speaker 1: from there. Let me understand this is this correct, Jennifer.
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Speaker 1: She went from there to Planet Fitness and then seemingly
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Speaker 1: just disappears in the thin air.
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Speaker 2: That's correct. Police have not indicated how she got from
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Speaker 2: the CBS to Planet Fitness. I don't know it is,
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Speaker 2: you know, just a mile up the road. It's it's
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Speaker 2: not a long walk if she were to be walking.
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Speaker 2: They haven't said whether or not her car was located.
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Speaker 2: There were some indications onlines and May said she took
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Speaker 2: a cab, but there's not a ton of cab services,
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Speaker 2: and so I'm.
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Speaker 1: Not aw far away as a CBS from the Planet Fitness.
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Speaker 2: I mean it would it's it's a walk, but you
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Speaker 2: know it's not you know, half mile mile, it's not
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Speaker 2: for somebody that is as in shape as she is,
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Speaker 2: wouldn't be a horrible walk.
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Speaker 1: Joining us in addition to Jennifer Wood at fitnews dot com,
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Speaker 1: an expert tracker master trainer K nine tracker program manager
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Speaker 1: for military contracts, former Navy bomb disposal master technician, former
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Speaker 1: deputy K nine commander with San Bernardino Sheriff's Department. Dave
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Speaker 1: Moyer is joining us. Okay, Dave, you've seen the terrain.
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Speaker 1: They've brought out the dogs. To my understanding, as we
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Speaker 1: go to air, the dogs gave me nothing. How can
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Speaker 1: that be? Did she leave in a car? Let's just
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Speaker 1: first start with what do you do with the dogs.
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Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am. We would try to establish any kind of
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Speaker 3: an exit trail based on whatever sent article we could
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Speaker 3: get for our victim here, and I just use that
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Speaker 3: term to identify the young lady that's missing. We don't
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Speaker 3: know what happened with the time elapsed from the time
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Speaker 3: she was last seen to the time she was reported missing.
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Speaker 3: There's heavy, heavy human contamination all around that area, so
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Speaker 3: it's a very difficult situation for the tracking dogs to
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Speaker 3: obtain a track. But it is possible if she got
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Speaker 3: into a vehicle, there's not going to be any exit trail.
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Speaker 3: So the speculation would be if the dogs didn't have anything,
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Speaker 3: that she might have gotten into a vehicle at some point.
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Speaker 3: It's not like she flew away, so that there's really
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Speaker 3: no other options. If she walked away, the dogs would
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Speaker 3: have something to follow. If she didn't walk away, if
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Speaker 3: she got into a vehicle or onto a motorcycle or
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Speaker 3: a bicycle, that would not be something that they could track.
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Speaker 1: Okay, wait a minute, Dave Moyer, of course I'm just
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Speaker 1: a trial lawyer. You're the master knine handler. But in
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Speaker 1: the Lacy Peterson disappearance, caneyes could track her and she
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Speaker 1: was either probably in the back of the boat covered
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Speaker 1: up with a tarp, which does make a difference. They
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Speaker 1: could track her sin they were cadaver dogs all the
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Speaker 1: way from their home on Covena in Modesto too the
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Speaker 1: San Francisco Bay. A track her dog could do that.
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Speaker 1: Now would the difference be that she was kind of
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Speaker 1: out in the open, possibly in the boat under a tarp,
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Speaker 1: but they did. A dog did track her.
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Speaker 3: That is possible. I'm not familiar with the with the
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Speaker 3: canine team that was involved in that. However, it is unlikely.
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Speaker 3: There are extenuating circumstances where the environmental conditions are absolutely
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Speaker 3: perfect and the scent is preserved, but it's very difficult
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Speaker 3: in the summertime with the warm temperatures and also with
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Speaker 3: all the human contamination that is in the air. Question
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Speaker 3: for this.
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Speaker 1: Case you mentioned it would be difficult for the dogs.
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Speaker 1: Just walk us through it if you could, in a
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Speaker 1: very rudimentary fashion, how you bring the dogs there, how
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Speaker 1: you transport them, how you keep them their noses uncontaminated
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Speaker 1: until you give them the scent, and then what do
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Speaker 1: you do.
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Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am. Commonly, how we like to train the dogs
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Speaker 3: is once the canine unit arrives on scene, another unit
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Speaker 3: would have already obtained a scent article of some kind
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Speaker 3: for the subject that the dog is supposed to track.
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Speaker 3: That object will then be placed and whoever is handling
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Speaker 3: it will be standing there next to the object at
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Speaker 3: the place last scene. In this case, it would have
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Speaker 3: been the exit doors for the Planet Fitness. You'll get
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Speaker 3: the dog out of the car, give it about five
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Speaker 3: ten minutes to acclimate, go potty, do whatever the dog
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Speaker 3: needs to do to relax, and that they're taking what's
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Speaker 3: called a scent inventory. At that point, they're kind of
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Speaker 3: acclimating themselves to the environment and all of the odors
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Speaker 3: that are in that area. Because remember, dogs can smell
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Speaker 3: millions and millions of times better than a human can.
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Speaker 3: So if you could just imagine the assault on the
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Speaker 3: senses that would be for people coming out of a
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Speaker 3: gym after a long workout. The dogs have a lot
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Speaker 3: of information to sort through. The dog would then be
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Speaker 3: taken up to the place last scene and allowed to
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Speaker 3: go out and investigate the scent article, and then the
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Speaker 3: search command is given that tells the dog that this
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Speaker 3: is the odor that you're looking for. The dog doesn't
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Speaker 3: have to pick it up. It doesn't have to put
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Speaker 3: it in its mouth. You don't jam it into the
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Speaker 3: dog's face. The dog is already getting the odor off
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Speaker 3: of that particular item, and we train for this over
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Speaker 3: and over and over again. Through repetition, the dog understands
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Speaker 3: that the article presented, whether it be an aluminum can,
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Speaker 3: a cigarette butt, a footprint, an article of clothing, all
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Speaker 3: of these things contain the human scent that we want
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Speaker 3: that dog to track. These dogs are trained to scent discriminate,
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Speaker 3: and if there is an exit trail that has been
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Speaker 3: preserved due to the environmental conditions, the dog will detect
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Speaker 3: that exit trail and follow it. Unfortunately, when somebody gets
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Speaker 3: into a car, most people have the windows rolled up
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Speaker 3: in the air conditioning on this time of year, so
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Speaker 3: there's not a lot of odor escaping that vehicle, and
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Speaker 3: as it drives away there's even less, and it's not
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Speaker 3: enough for the dogs to follow.
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Speaker 1: Yes, that's a dead giveaway that somebody got into a
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Speaker 1: vehicle when the scent suddenly ends. What about the dichotomy
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Speaker 1: of the canines on asphalt around Planet Fitness and then
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Speaker 1: going into that den strip of wooded area.
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Speaker 3: I'm glad that you mentioned that that's actually something that
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Speaker 3: we train for a lot in our urban training. Imprinting
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Speaker 3: asphalt does not retain the human odor because remember, the
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Speaker 3: human odor that the dog is tracking is an amalgamation
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Speaker 3: of the biological matter and fluids that are falling off
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Speaker 3: body at all times. I know, it's kind of gross
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Speaker 3: to think about that. You're shedding thousands and thousands of
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Speaker 3: skin cells every minute, every movement you make, they're falling
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Speaker 3: off your body, the raining off of you, and the
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Speaker 3: dogs are detecting this as these biological skin rafts are
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Speaker 3: actually decomposing. That the dog is able to figure out
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Speaker 3: which direction the trail goes based on that tiny, tiny
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Speaker 3: amount a matter of seconds between the fresher scent and
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Speaker 3: the age scent. That's how they're able to determine a
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Speaker 3: direction of travel on asphalt. With cars driving over it
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Speaker 3: and dragging all those skin rafts and the biological matter around,
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Speaker 3: it spreads it out and makes it almost impossible for
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Speaker 3: the dogs to follow, but trained dogs can do it.
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Speaker 3: These particular pieces of human hoodor will go to any
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Speaker 3: place that's wet or moist, usually the gutters, any of
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Speaker 3: the parking lot, raised parking lot areas, cracks in the
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Speaker 3: asphalt will actually retain some of these this scent for
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Speaker 3: longer than the open asphalt are and when you get
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Speaker 3: into flitted areas, it's just an immense amount of scent.
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Speaker 3: If there is odor there, the dog will be able
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Speaker 3: to follow that much easier than in an urban environment
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Speaker 3: like asphalt.
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Speaker 1: So we've got her on asphalt, which is not going
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Speaker 1: to help the dogs at all, And very quickly before
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Speaker 1: I move on to our next point in the search
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Speaker 1: for Elena, scent dog versus kadaver dog, explain did they
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Speaker 1: bring in both?
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Speaker 5: Me?
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Speaker 3: Personally, I would absolutely use both. Now, if this was
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Speaker 3: a scenario where she was in those woods, her fresh,
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Speaker 3: live scent would still would still be there. It wouldn't
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Speaker 3: just strictly be a human remains sense. The two are
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Speaker 3: are very complementary whether you're doing human remains detection and
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Speaker 3: human tracking because there is so much of the crossover
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Speaker 3: or the mission creep if you will, for the dogs
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Speaker 3: to follow that it's live oder or dead over. So
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Speaker 3: if she was in that very small wooded area, I
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Speaker 3: would expect that a trained K nine team would have
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Speaker 3: been drawn into her, whether she was still alive or
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Speaker 3: or otherwise.
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Speaker 1: Back to how she got there from the CBS to
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Speaker 1: the Planet Fitness is about three point six miles. We believe,
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Speaker 1: as Jennifer Wood was telling us, did you take an uber?
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Speaker 1: Did you take a cab? What about her car, Jennifer Wood?
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Speaker 1: Did she was her car in the parking lot? Where
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Speaker 1: was her vehicle?
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Speaker 2: Lie have not given any indication that her vehicle was
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Speaker 2: in the parking lot, So I am not sure. I mean,
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Speaker 2: they've been pretty tight lift about that aspect of the investigation.
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Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, the mode of transportation is
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Speaker 1: going to be very, very important. If she took an uber,
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Speaker 1: I don't think she would have walked three point six
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Speaker 1: miles to get there. Maybe so because she's a fitness buff,
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Speaker 1: but I need to find that out. Three point six
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Speaker 1: miles to Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us where now it
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Speaker 1: Psycho Analyst. You can see her now on Bravo and
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Speaker 1: a deal Breaker. You can find her at doctor Bethany
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Speaker 1: Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany all of these how do
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Speaker 1: you say experts giving love advice on meeting guys. They
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Speaker 1: say things like, well, you're not going to meet a
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Speaker 1: guy at the nelsallon, you need to go somewhere like
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Speaker 1: Low's or home depot, So that's where the men are.
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Speaker 1: I don't like that in my line of business because
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Speaker 1: there's not just men you want to date there. There's
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Speaker 1: men you don't want to date there. Rhere she is
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Speaker 1: at Planet Fitness in the same strip as Low's. Way
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Speaker 1: am you know?
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Speaker 6: Nancy? I want to know about her relationships with the
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Speaker 6: people around her? What was she talking about? What did
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Speaker 6: she talk to her friends at the front desk about,
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Speaker 6: because they're all fellow employees. Was somebody stalking her? Was
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Speaker 6: there anybody at the gym who was harassing her? At
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Speaker 6: Low's home depot, FBI, the pharmacy, all these other places?
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Speaker 6: Did anybody follow her? This was a very active young woman,
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Speaker 6: and you and I know from many of the shows
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Speaker 6: that we have done before, in the cases that you
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Speaker 6: have helped crack, it's often women who hike, walk bike
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Speaker 6: along the same trail day after day after day who
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Speaker 6: get targeted by serial killers stalkers. So was this a
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Speaker 6: typical trajectory or path for her to go to this
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Speaker 6: particular pharmacy and then do a quick walk as a
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Speaker 6: warm up on the way to the gym. Who were
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Speaker 6: her clients? Was any client that she was training harassing her?
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Speaker 6: Were they preoccupied with her?
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany, You're right, I want to take a look
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Speaker 1: at all the people around her, not just the people
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Speaker 1: there at Planet Fitness, but who does she speak to
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Speaker 1: at CBS? Was she alone? How did she get from
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Speaker 1: CBS to Planet Fitness. It's nearly four miles. Her car
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Speaker 1: apparently wasn't in the parking lot, so what does that
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Speaker 1: tell me? She had to have a mode of transportation.
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Speaker 1: They're doing a canvas search. Listen.
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Speaker 4: We are doing a canvas search of the wooded area
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Speaker 4: that is right adjacent to Planet Fitness, because that's the
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Speaker 4: last time that Elena was seen walking out of the
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Speaker 4: Planet Fitness and we didn't get get any tips or
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Speaker 4: anything like that. We just want to make sure that
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Speaker 4: every square footage of this area is looked and no
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Speaker 4: stone goes unturned. We pulled a lot of camera footage
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Speaker 4: throughout the town and that's how we knew that the
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Speaker 4: CBS was not the last place that she was seen at.
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Speaker 4: We had seen her bounce off of the Buffalo Wild
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Speaker 4: Wings and then over here by the Planet Fitness and
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Speaker 4: Loew's area.
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Speaker 1: So that is Missy Silcox with Lexington PD. We're talking
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Speaker 1: about Lexton, South Carolina. Did you hear what she said?
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Speaker 1: Let me go straight out to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,
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Speaker 1: and star of a hit podcast, Body Backs of Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. He is also a forensic investigator, a death
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Speaker 1: investigator with over ten thousand death scenes under his belt.
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Speaker 1: That video from WLTX, Thank you for that LTx, Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. Bounce off, bounce off Buffalo Wild Wings. Now
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Speaker 1: what does that mean? Does that mean she pinged at
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Speaker 1: Buffalo Wild Wings? Because jump in Jennifer would if I'm wrong.
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Speaker 1: But we believe her phone was with her, but we're
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Speaker 1: not getting any pings. Were there pings when she was
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Speaker 1: near Buffalo Wild Wings and now there are not? Did
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Speaker 1: somebody turn her cell phone off? Did somebody destroy it?
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Speaker 1: You're my forensics expert. What about it? Joe Scott.
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Speaker 7: When I hear bounce off, I'm thinking that she's caught
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Speaker 7: by an external camera, maybe you know, walking past that
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Speaker 7: specific area at that point in time. There have been
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Speaker 7: cases where you will have phones that will jump on
21:09
Speaker 7: local Wi Fi, and also that would mean that she
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Speaker 7: would have to have proximity, like close proximity to whatever
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Speaker 7: Wi Fi service there was. So my first thought is
21:20
Speaker 7: that they're seeing her on video, and this is kind
21:23
Speaker 7: of a progression that the officers laying out here to
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Speaker 7: talk about her movements at any particular time. I'm very
21:30
Speaker 7: curious about this wandering off behind lows. Just looking at
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Speaker 7: the satellite imagery I was checking out just a second ago,
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Speaker 7: there appears to be you if you see Planet Hollywood
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Speaker 7: there and over to the right and slightly down, there's
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Speaker 7: a couple of retention ponds in those areas as well.
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Speaker 7: You know, I found bodies and retention ponds over the years,
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Speaker 7: and you've got a lot of other establishments. I think
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Speaker 7: over to the left there is a pretty good sized
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Speaker 7: golf course over in that area as well, So where
22:05
Speaker 7: could she have wound up? Bodies of water are going
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Speaker 7: to be my primary target area. However, I have to
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Speaker 7: think about again. As our colleague mentioned a moment ago,
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Speaker 7: she kind of you know, there there might not be
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Speaker 7: anything there for them to track, if she's gotten into
22:24
Speaker 7: a vehicle, Nancy, there are so many locations she could
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Speaker 7: have gotten into a car or have been forced into
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Speaker 7: the car and then all of a sudden she's gone.
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Speaker 7: And there's a lot of ways to disappear there because
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Speaker 7: there's major arteries running through that area.
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Speaker 1: But back to you, Dave Moyer, I agree with everything
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott just said to the point of the retention ponds,
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Speaker 1: because if she were on the golf course or she
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Speaker 1: read that retention pond, the dogs would have found that.
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Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am, I think there would have been a very
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Speaker 3: obvious trail going through that small those little patch of
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Speaker 3: woods going down to the water, and all of her
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Speaker 3: odor would have pulled up around that water. And more
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Speaker 3: to the point, with the temperatures that are out there,
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Speaker 3: if she is in that water, she's going to be
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Speaker 3: on the surface pretty quick.
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Speaker 4: Her husband is the one that reported her missing. At
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Speaker 4: this time, we don't have any any proof that she
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Speaker 4: would be in danger. There's no anything to indicate foul
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Speaker 4: play at this time.
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Speaker 1: From wis wait a minute, stop everything. So the husband
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Speaker 1: reported her missing, Jennifer Wood, When did the husband report
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Speaker 1: her missing?
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Speaker 2: Yes, the husband reported her missing on Friday? What time
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Speaker 2: they have not.
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Speaker 1: But when did she go missing?
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Speaker 2: Thursday?
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Speaker 1: Okay? Joining me right now, a veteran trial lawyer out
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Speaker 1: of the South Carolina jurisdiction, John Mobley. He is a
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Speaker 1: founder of the Mobley Law Firm, John Mobley. Why are
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Speaker 1: you smiling? Number one?
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Speaker 5: Nancy? You know, as always, I got to call it
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Speaker 5: like I said. You may not agree with what I'm
24:05
Speaker 5: going to say, but this is a deal. Every day
24:08
Speaker 5: in this country people go missing, men, children, elderly. But
24:13
Speaker 5: you let an attractive, middle aged housewife go missing, and
24:17
Speaker 5: the public has a psychotic break, you know. And I
24:20
Speaker 5: will tell you that based on what I'm seeing about
24:23
Speaker 5: this case, it's my opinion there's no foul play that
24:27
Speaker 5: this particular lady either a is having a mental health
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Speaker 5: crisis and decided to disappear, or B there's a boyfriend
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Speaker 5: in the picture. And I'm going to point a few
24:37
Speaker 5: things out. I would like you to take a look
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Speaker 5: at that I considered. I looked at you. Look at
24:42
Speaker 5: her Facebook page. Okay, you look at all the photos
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Speaker 5: you're posted. She's got about four five hundred pictures posted
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Speaker 5: on Facebook, sexy pictures her and a bikini, her looking cute,
24:54
Speaker 5: her smile at her with their friends. Out of all
24:56
Speaker 5: those pictures for a married woman, there's maybe three or
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Speaker 5: four with her husband to meet. That is significant because
25:03
Speaker 5: people that are in the happy marriages typically post pictures
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Speaker 5: with their spouse, on day, with their spouse, on vacation
25:09
Speaker 5: with their spouse. Typically, women that are happily married do
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Speaker 5: not post sexy biking photos every other day on Facebook
25:16
Speaker 5: because it can be deemed as disrespectful to her husband.
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Speaker 1: Let me just stop you right there, Mobley. So far,
25:25
Speaker 1: what I've heard out of your mouth is she's slung
25:28
Speaker 1: up with a boyfriend. We have no evidence of that.
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Speaker 1: She's way too sexy, and she posts pictures off herself
25:37
Speaker 1: without her husband. Do you know how long they've been married.
25:41
Speaker 1: Maybe they just got married. Maybe there is strange Maybe
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Speaker 1: she had them posted it and took them down. I
25:46
Speaker 1: don't know why they're not there. But yeah, okay, see
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Speaker 1: that's the problem, Dr Bethny Marshall. Him him right there, Mobley.
25:59
Speaker 1: Is problem because when a woman goes missing, it's her
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Speaker 1: fault because she posted sexy photos. Does anybody not here
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Speaker 1: that she's a personal trainer. Of course, she's posting photos
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Speaker 1: of her physique and how great she looks. Who's gonna
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Speaker 1: go to a personal trainer that's totally out of shape, nobody,
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Speaker 1: that's why she's doing this. But yet Mobley has extrapolated
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Speaker 1: there's no wrongdoing and she's just having some me time,
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Speaker 1: some sexy time with her boyfriend Bethany. That's the problem
26:32
Speaker 1: everything he just said, I want to erase it all.
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Speaker 6: I want to erase it too.
26:37
Speaker 1: And he way a full day. I tell you this much.
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Speaker 1: If David Lynch is not at home tonight, I'm reporting
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Speaker 1: him missing and I'm going out looking for him. I'm
26:47
Speaker 1: not gonna be like Brian Hooker. All you see of
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Speaker 1: him is tailhole and elbows running away from the Bahamas
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Speaker 1: while his wife, for all I know, is dead in
26:55
Speaker 1: the water. No, I'm gonna look for him, and I'm
26:59
Speaker 1: gonna call nine one one that minute, the minute I
27:03
Speaker 1: think he's missing, So ey darn will better come home
27:07
Speaker 1: on time, especially if I've took dinner. That said. Did
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Speaker 1: you hear what mom? We just spewed out.
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Speaker 6: Yes, I did, Nancy. It was very disturbing. His initial
27:17
Speaker 6: comments were about how attractive she is. That has nothing
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Speaker 6: to do with this, Nancy. Whether she's attractive, what age
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Speaker 6: she is. She is going to post pictures because she
27:28
Speaker 6: is a fitness trainer. This is her calling card, This
27:31
Speaker 6: is her just like I might might post photos of
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Speaker 6: me in my office right because I'm a psychoanalyst. Or
27:37
Speaker 6: I might post a picture of a book that I've
27:40
Speaker 6: found very helpful. That will be my calling card. You
27:43
Speaker 6: post pictures of your children because your audience is very
27:46
Speaker 6: interested in you and in your life. So I don't
27:49
Speaker 6: think the fact that she posted all these pictures without.
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Speaker 1: Her husband, Now why I post pictures of the children.
27:55
Speaker 1: I post them because they are the center of my life.
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Speaker 1: And that's that. And murder is kind of the only
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Speaker 1: thing I have to post about that actually is continue
28:03
Speaker 1: and putting Mobley back up, Mobley, I see you kind
28:06
Speaker 1: of twitching during all of this. Go ahead, bethany.
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Speaker 6: One photo, though I can't know, I don't know which one.
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Speaker 6: And on one photo she has her wedding rings on
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Speaker 6: her right hand, and then in another photo she has
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Speaker 6: them on her left hand. I couldn't help but notice that,
28:23
Speaker 6: and maybe wonder if she was in a conflictual relationship
28:25
Speaker 6: with her husband, you know, switching her rings back and
28:29
Speaker 6: forth on from one hand to the other, just like
28:32
Speaker 6: Murdoch's wife had her wedding ring under the floorboard of
28:35
Speaker 6: her car and it was a sign of her conflict
28:38
Speaker 6: and her ambivalence with him. So what I think is
28:41
Speaker 6: more important is that she has a lot of relationships
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Speaker 6: in her life.
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Speaker 8: She is a fitness trainer. She did not come home.
28:51
Speaker 8: What is the story there, Okay, let me get a
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Speaker 8: hold of John Mobley. Mobley, did you hear any of
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Speaker 8: that or did you just put it on her?
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Speaker 1: And we're talking because the first thing you say she
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Speaker 1: goes missing is she's too sexy.
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Speaker 5: Uh, exactly. That's not what I said. And that was
29:13
Speaker 5: kind of part of the process. And I think that
29:15
Speaker 5: you know, in some cases, you know, there are certain advocates,
29:18
Speaker 5: there are certain professions that are always an advocate. If
29:21
Speaker 5: you're inclined to be an victim advocate, you know, or
29:24
Speaker 5: if you're someone in that mindset, then you're going to
29:27
Speaker 5: always assume someone is a victim. What I'm saying is,
29:30
Speaker 5: you look at all the circumstances of the case, and
29:33
Speaker 5: I want to and I do want to address the
29:35
Speaker 5: husband waiting a day to report her missing. To me,
29:38
Speaker 5: what that suggests is it was not uncommon for her
29:43
Speaker 5: to just disappear in him not know where she was
29:45
Speaker 5: for a while. That's why he would wait a day
29:48
Speaker 5: because she's off some place, she's not with him, she's
29:50
Speaker 5: doing something he didn't know where she is, and then
29:53
Speaker 5: she ultimately comes back home. So that's what him delives.
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Speaker 1: So now you're saying she's too sexy, she's got a boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: and she's a tramp. Go ahead say it, that's what
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Speaker 1: you think.
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Speaker 5: Uh No, I didn't say that at all. Also indicator
30:07
Speaker 5: she might have mental.
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Speaker 1: Hill doesn't come home at night, and he's used to it.
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Speaker 1: That's what you said, Well.
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Speaker 5: That would be well, there's only two reasons for him
30:15
Speaker 5: to delay making me report what A he's somehow involved
30:21
Speaker 5: in her disappearance or B that's a normal course of
30:23
Speaker 5: her behavior. Now, if you're inclined to always believe the
30:27
Speaker 5: husband's a suspect, if you're inclined to leave someone's always
30:29
Speaker 5: a victim, then yet you're going to go down that
30:31
Speaker 5: road and you're never going to turn around. So what
30:33
Speaker 5: I'm saying is, if you look at all, begadle, Well.
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Speaker 1: There's another possibility. What if he wasn't at home that night?
30:38
Speaker 1: For all, I know he travels. I don't know where
30:41
Speaker 1: he was. Look if I were to suggest as a
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Speaker 1: husband right now, that would do this investigation a great
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Speaker 1: disservice because I don't know that they've got reams of
30:52
Speaker 1: surveillance footage. Nobody has told me that we see the
30:56
Speaker 1: husband drive into the parking lot. They know nothing. If
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Speaker 1: they knew that, that'd be three inches up his tailpipe
31:02
Speaker 1: right now, but Jennifer would We've heard nothing like that.
31:05
Speaker 1: No one has implicated the husband. So to name him
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Speaker 1: as a prime suspect, well, that would hurt the investigation.
31:13
Speaker 1: It would shut down investigations into other avenues and other inquiries.
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Speaker 1: So no, I'm not naming him. For all I know,
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Speaker 1: he was out of town. He came in late, he
31:22
Speaker 1: went to sleep early, and wakes up and goes, hey,
31:24
Speaker 1: what where is she? I don't know what happened, but
31:27
Speaker 1: I can tell you this much. If my husband doesn't
31:30
Speaker 1: come home tonight, Dave Moyer, I'm calling nine one one,
31:34
Speaker 1: especially if he doesn't pick up his cell phone. I
31:37
Speaker 1: want to see her digital records. Now. It seems to
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Speaker 1: me that she had her iPhone when she went into
31:42
Speaker 1: Planet Fitness, So where's the iPhone? Did she cut it off.
31:46
Speaker 1: Was it destroyed? What happened? You heard Joe Scott talking
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Speaker 1: about retention ponds? Was it thrown into a pond? I
31:53
Speaker 1: want to find out. Remember what a significant piece Hold on?
31:56
Speaker 1: Hold on, Dave Moyer, Jennifer, would you know this better
31:59
Speaker 1: than anybody? Remember fighting Maggie Murdog's cell phone exactly where
32:05
Speaker 1: according to the black box and Murdog's suv, he slowed
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Speaker 1: the car down and let down the passenger window electronically
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Speaker 1: and threw her phone out. The phone in that case
32:19
Speaker 1: was so critical because it showed him basically even though
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Speaker 1: we weren't witnessed, wasn't witnessed throwing out her cell phone
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Speaker 1: on the side of the road. We need this woman's
32:27
Speaker 1: cell phone. Where's her cell phone?
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Speaker 2: The phone and the car? So I think there's I mean,
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of pieces of this investigation that we
32:35
Speaker 2: just don't know yet.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Dave Moyer, what do we do now?
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Speaker 3: Well, man, it sounds like they've they've exhausted what they
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Speaker 3: can do with their canine assets that they have available.
32:46
Speaker 3: They've checked the assumingly, I'm speculating that they checked their
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Speaker 3: retention ponds with human remains, dogs as well as the
32:53
Speaker 3: tracking dogs. Something of note that I want to mention,
32:57
Speaker 3: these canine tracking dogs, these trained human tracking dogs, also
33:02
Speaker 3: double as evidence collection dogs because that same odor that
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Speaker 3: they're trying to track. If let's say, and I'm speculating,
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Speaker 3: a cell phone is thrown out of a car window
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Speaker 3: and is sitting on the side of the road, the
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Speaker 3: canine will be drawn to that because that article has
33:16
Speaker 3: the subject sent all over it. So if there was
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Speaker 3: something that was associated with her somewhere in that area,
33:22
Speaker 3: the dogs presumably would have detected that because that odor
33:26
Speaker 3: will last longer than just a trail of somebody walking away.
33:30
Speaker 3: It's all over and again, for the sake of argument,
33:33
Speaker 3: a cell phone that's lying in the bushes. I've had
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Speaker 3: many cases in the past where subjects involved in a
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Speaker 3: crime of violence would toss a knife or in one
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Speaker 3: very good case, a hatchet, tried to bury it in
33:46
Speaker 3: the sand, and the dogs were able to go from
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Speaker 3: the trail. The subject ran away on divert from the
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Speaker 3: trail and find that article that was buried in the
33:54
Speaker 3: sand out of sight. Because of all that human that
33:57
Speaker 3: subject's odor associated with that object. So if she had
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Speaker 3: an object that was in the area like we were
34:02
Speaker 3: just talking about with the cell phone, that's something they
34:04
Speaker 3: would have been drawn to. As this investigation continues and
34:08
Speaker 3: they find some more areas of interest, I would absolutely
34:11
Speaker 3: deploy the dogs in those areas to again rule out
34:13
Speaker 3: that she's not in those areas. But with a car
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Speaker 3: missing and a cell phone missing and everything else, you're
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Speaker 3: just you're putting an awful lot of distance in your
34:23
Speaker 3: the scope of your investigation expands rapidly, Okay, Dave Moyer.
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Speaker 1: Every once in a while, you say something makes me
34:30
Speaker 1: really happy about the person burying the hatchet, and it
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Speaker 1: alerted the dogs. In this case, we hear John Mobley
34:39
Speaker 1: say everything, but she's been taken. I'm curious about what
34:44
Speaker 1: Jennifer Wood said as well. Where's her cell phone? And
34:46
Speaker 1: where's her car? Why was there at least a twenty
34:50
Speaker 1: four hour delay in reporting? So, John Mobley, are you
34:54
Speaker 1: actually advancing a gone girl scenario? You know with Ben
34:58
Speaker 1: Affleck remember that movie? Is that what you're saying? She
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Speaker 1: stays her own disappearance, like what what was her name?
35:06
Speaker 1: Sherry Peppini? The supermom that stages her own disappearance and
35:10
Speaker 1: then shows up and blames three hispanic women. Is that
35:14
Speaker 1: where you're going with this. She's not really missing, it's.
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Speaker 5: Certainly a possibility that cannot be ruled out. I think
35:22
Speaker 5: it's also too important to look at you know, where
35:26
Speaker 5: she went when she left the gym. You know, she
35:29
Speaker 5: did not walk toward the parking lot. She didn't walk
35:31
Speaker 5: toward a car. She walked toward some woods. So I
35:36
Speaker 5: don't think she was going to the woods to go camping.
35:39
Speaker 5: She didn't have a rifle. I don't think she was
35:40
Speaker 5: going hunting. So the question I would have is, why
35:43
Speaker 5: is she walking towards a wooded area when she maybe.
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Speaker 1: She was walking to the back of the strip mall.
35:49
Speaker 1: Did you think of that again, just because the woods
35:52
Speaker 1: are also there. She didn't go in the woods. The
35:54
Speaker 1: dogs have proven that. So where did she go and
35:57
Speaker 1: why did she go toward the back?
35:59
Speaker 5: So you have to consider that possibility again. I think
36:03
Speaker 5: that when a middle aged suburban housewife was missing, often
36:07
Speaker 5: people are quick to, you know, proclaim foul play, believe
36:11
Speaker 5: that she's a victim. But I want to note that
36:14
Speaker 5: even in their statements to the press, a law enforcement
36:16
Speaker 5: has said they do not suspect foul play, and they
36:20
Speaker 5: have said they do not leave you imminent danger, and
36:22
Speaker 5: that is extremely.
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Speaker 6: Telling to me.
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Speaker 1: Okay, for the first time since you started talking, I
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Speaker 1: agree with you, Jennifer Wood. What exactly did they say?
36:32
Speaker 1: Mobley's right on this one point? Mobley ahead, you know, I.
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Speaker 2: Mean, they really truly have been I mean, other than
36:42
Speaker 2: giving us the time that she disappeared when she was
36:45
Speaker 2: reported missing, generally they released their first notification on Sunday
36:52
Speaker 2: and they did the search yesterday, they've been really tight
36:56
Speaker 2: left about everything in between. I mean, it is just
37:03
Speaker 2: it's so hard to even speculate without knowing how she
37:06
Speaker 2: got from one place to the next place.
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Speaker 1: And another thing, they haven't brought in the husband or
37:15
Speaker 1: made comments like he's not cooperating or he won't take
37:18
Speaker 1: a polygraph that hasn't leaked out, which leads me to
37:21
Speaker 1: believe he is cooperating. Again, I don't know if he
37:25
Speaker 1: was even in town when she goes missing. We can't
37:27
Speaker 1: point the finger at him. This could go in any direction.
37:31
Speaker 1: Ann Mobley has brought up a really good point, the
37:35
Speaker 1: fact that they are claiming they don't know if el
37:38
Speaker 1: play is involved, But on the other hand, we see
37:41
Speaker 1: that happen all the time. Joe Scott Morgan when law
37:44
Speaker 1: enforcement says, ah, well, she's just having some me time
37:47
Speaker 1: and then she's dead.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, you're right. I think as a death investigator,
37:53
Speaker 7: one of the things that I'd be very curious about,
37:55
Speaker 7: and we did this regularly. I want to talk to
37:57
Speaker 7: her physician, whoever they might be. I want to know
38:02
Speaker 7: what kind of medications has she owned, and she got
38:04
Speaker 7: any kind of health factors, And I also want to
38:05
Speaker 7: know if she's on any kind of psychiatric medications as well.
38:11
Speaker 7: They should be doing a deep dive in that area
38:13
Speaker 7: anything that she is being prescribed. Many times, that's a
38:18
Speaker 7: proverbial handwriting on the wall, if you will, because you
38:21
Speaker 7: can go and look at this individual and see what
38:25
Speaker 7: their life is all about as it's dictated by those
38:28
Speaker 7: that are prescribing meds for her. I want to know
38:30
Speaker 7: what's going on with her from Jump Street to try
38:34
Speaker 7: to understand this. I still hold to the idea that
38:39
Speaker 7: she is probably has gotten into a car with somebody,
38:44
Speaker 7: and there's a lot of places along this thoroughfare to
38:47
Speaker 7: get into cars. I was just taking a look at
38:50
Speaker 7: the Low's parking lot in particular. If you've never been
38:55
Speaker 7: to a Low's, particularly at that time of day, it's
38:59
Speaker 7: packed within and guess what they're going to have. They're
39:02
Speaker 7: going to have CCTV coverage of that parking lot from
39:05
Speaker 7: multiple perspectives. So we have to learn as much as
39:08
Speaker 7: we can about her history, health and mental health otherwise,
39:12
Speaker 7: and also what does the CCTV information reveal about getting
39:17
Speaker 7: into a vehicle and just kind of vanishing.
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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about Elena's disappearance,
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Speaker 1: please contact Lexington Sheriffs eight zero three three five eight
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Speaker 1: seven two seven one repeat eight zero three three five
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Speaker 1: eight seven two seven one. We remember an American hero,
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Speaker 1: Deputy Glenn Hilliard Why Comicco Sheriffs, Maryland, shot in the
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Speaker 1: line of duty after sixteen years, leaving behind a wife
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Speaker 1: now widow to Sheika, and three beautiful children, Trenton, New
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Speaker 1: to our guests, but especially to you for being with
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Speaker 1: us to night. Nancy Gray signing off, I'll see you
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Speaker 1: to morrow night, and until then, good night friend.