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Matt Zukowski’s Mystery Love Island Episode · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, Tammy Hembrough
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  Speaker 1: returns to YouTube with a.
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  Speaker 2: Behind the scenes look at her marriage breakdown.
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  Speaker 1: Sky Wheatley poses as her manager amid advertising complaints and
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  Speaker 1: Matt Sikowsky's Love Island secrets.
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  Speaker 3: But first, OG.
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  Speaker 1: Travel blogger Lauren Bullen has sparked breakup rumors after unfollowing
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  Speaker 1: her baby daddy Liam on Instagram. The social media diss
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  Speaker 1: comes just months after the pair celebrated their daughter's first
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  Speaker 1: birthday together. Before we get into it, Kate, can you
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  Speaker 1: bring listeners up to speed with who Lauren Bullen is?
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  Speaker 3: Well, she's probably better known by her Instagram handle Gypsy Lust,
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  Speaker 3: and she's attracted almost 2 million Instagram followers by sharing
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  Speaker 3: very aesthetically pleasing snaps from her travels. She actually set
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  Speaker 3: up her home base in Bali years ago, but she
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  Speaker 3: returns to Australia quite often to visit her identical twin sister,
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  Speaker 3: Ellie Watson. So Ellie Watson also is an influencer in
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  Speaker 3: her own right. She's better known by her Instagram handle,
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  Speaker 3: Elsa's Wholesome Life, and she has 652,000 followers on Instagram.
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  Speaker 3: I remember I actually used to follow Elsa and I'd
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  Speaker 3: always heard of this gypsy lust. But I'd never put
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  Speaker 3: two and two together and realised that they were twin sisters.
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  Speaker 3: And I remember when Lauren appeared in one of Ellie's
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  Speaker 3: vlogs and my mind was blown. I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: is that Gypsy Lust? I'd heard so much about her
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  Speaker 3: and that they're twins. It's just bizarre.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Lauren really was that OG influencer, wasn't she? I
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  Speaker 1: remember back in the day trying to get her on
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  Speaker 1: a story for Today Tonight when I worked there. And
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  Speaker 1: my boss was so out of touch with social media.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, no one knows who she is.
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  Speaker 2: No one cares. And I'm like, she's huge.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, just two million people seem to care. Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Now, let's get back to the breakup.
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  Speaker 1: Because not only have Lauren and Liam unfollowed each other
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  Speaker 1: on Instagram, they've also been absent from each other's accounts,
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  Speaker 1: which is of course a telltale sign that something isn't right.
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  Speaker 1: So Liam last posted about Lauren in June, and that
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  Speaker 1: was when they were holidaying together in Italy with their daughter.
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  Speaker 3: Now, if they have broken up, sadly, it's not actually
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  Speaker 3: the first time. So This couple has this incredible relationship
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  Speaker 3: redemption arc. So just for a bit of a timeline,
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  Speaker 3: they actually began dating just months after Lauren announced her
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  Speaker 3: shock split from her longtime partner and fellow travel blogger,
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  Speaker 3: Jack Morris. And this was massive news at the time
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  Speaker 3: because Lauren and Jack had over 4 million Instagram followers
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  Speaker 3: between them. And they were famous for taking beautiful couple
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  Speaker 3: photos around the world. And they infamously built a three-story
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  Speaker 3: mansion in Bali together in 2019. So in June 2021,
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  Speaker 3: when Lauren hard launched her new boyfriend, Frenchman Liam, to
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  Speaker 3: her socials, she was criticized for moving on too quickly.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, some of her followers accused her of trying
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  Speaker 3: to upset Jack with her new loved up Instagram photos.
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  Speaker 3: And at the time, Lauren assured her fans that there
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  Speaker 3: was no drama and that she and Jack were happy
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  Speaker 3: for each other. She wrote, don't jump to conclusions that
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  Speaker 3: any of these posts are hurting him. Believe me, I
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't be posting about it if I believed this would
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  Speaker 3: hurt him. There is no hashtag team Lauren or hashtag
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  Speaker 3: team Jack. So just leave it.
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  Speaker 1: She went on to say she didn't expect everyone to
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  Speaker 1: understand or agree with her new relationship with Liam saying,
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  Speaker 1: if you think it's too soon, that's okay. But you
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  Speaker 1: have to realize you don't fully understand what people have
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  Speaker 1: been going through prior to knowing about the breakup. So
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  Speaker 1: you don't have any place to tell someone when it
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  Speaker 1: is okay for them to love again.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: In the beginning, I tried to run or deny feeling
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  Speaker 1: this way about someone so soon. But when someone comes
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  Speaker 1: into your life and makes you feel the way he
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  Speaker 1: made me feel, then you better not run from it.
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  Speaker 1: I choose to embrace it and I'm so happy I did.
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  Speaker 3: Now, following all of that drama, Lauren and Liam ended
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  Speaker 3: up spending the European summer of 2021 together in between
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  Speaker 3: France and Greece before returning to Bali together. However, less
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  Speaker 3: than a year later, Lauren announced their split on an
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  Speaker 3: Instagram story and she admitted that there was never a
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  Speaker 3: perfect time to talk about a breakup, but she had
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  Speaker 3: to address the elephant in the room. awkwardly. She happened
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  Speaker 3: to be in Paris at the time, which is where
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  Speaker 3: Liam is from. And she said she found it really
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  Speaker 3: difficult to document her trip there. So she wrote, I'm
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  Speaker 3: far from ready to talk about this, but Liam and
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  Speaker 3: I are no longer together. I know the majority of
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  Speaker 3: you come from a place of loving and caring, but
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  Speaker 3: I'm reminded every time I open Instagram to see your messages.
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  Speaker 3: I share so much of my relationship, so I know
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  Speaker 3: I somewhat owe an explanation. Now for a while, Lauren
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  Speaker 3: kept her dating life off social media, but she began
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  Speaker 3: dropping clues in 2023 that things were back on with Liam.
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  Speaker 3: She never actually formally addressed it, though, and then in
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  Speaker 3: March 2024 announced that they were pregnant with their first child.
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  Speaker 1: That's a pretty big way to relaunch your relationship back
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  Speaker 1: on social media. Yes, quite a hard launch to say, oh,
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  Speaker 1: we're back together and we're also having a baby.
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  Speaker 3: So it's very sad news if they actually have broken up.
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  Speaker 3: It got me thinking, do you think you can ever
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  Speaker 3: make it work with an ex again?
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  Speaker 1: I think it depends how the relationship ended. If it
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  Speaker 1: ended because of cheating, I don't think you can ever
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  Speaker 1: get over it because that is going to be brought
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  Speaker 1: back every single time you have a fight.
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  Speaker 3: See, I've known couples who have broken up and been
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  Speaker 3: apart for quite some time and then gotten back together
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  Speaker 3: and they've gone on to get married. So I think
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  Speaker 3: the difference is that they've probably worked out what the
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  Speaker 3: issue was and moved on from it. You can't hold
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  Speaker 3: on to things from the last breakup, I think.
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  Speaker 1: See, that's really awkward for the friends because any time
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  Speaker 1: a friend breaks up with someone, that's when you tell
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  Speaker 1: your friend what you really thought about them.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, and you go and unfollow. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then it's super awkward when they're like, oh, no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm actually getting back with that person. You think, holy fuck,
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  Speaker 1: like that's going to be super awkward when I now
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  Speaker 1: have to refollow that person. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I've now learned to hold off from saying my true
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  Speaker 3: opinions of someone because it always seems to be that
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  Speaker 3: phase where. the person will go back to them for
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  Speaker 3: at least a little bit. And then they usually come
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  Speaker 3: to their senses.
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  Speaker 1: Now, just back to Lauren, she added more fuel to
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  Speaker 1: the fire last week when she documented traveling from Bali
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  Speaker 1: to Ibiza solo with her one-year-old daughter. So it took
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  Speaker 1: her three flights to get to the party island where
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  Speaker 1: she met up with her friends for what she said
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  Speaker 1: was much needed girl time.
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  Speaker 3: If this doesn't scream breakup, I don't know what does.
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  Speaker 3: She ended up conceding that the three solo flights parenting
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  Speaker 3: were a lot and very ambitious of her. In fact,
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  Speaker 3: She ended up sharing a story time about a female
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  Speaker 3: passenger abusing her in business class because her daughter cried
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  Speaker 3: during the night flight. So according to Lauren, her daughter
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  Speaker 3: slept for the first four hours but made some noise
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  Speaker 3: every couple of hours. Lauren was then left shocked when
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  Speaker 3: she was confronted in her business class suite by a
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  Speaker 3: female passenger who So Lauren's daughter was asleep on her
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  Speaker 3: as this passenger aggressively said to her, how dare you?
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  Speaker 3: How dare you bring your baby into business? I paid
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  Speaker 3: for this so I can sleep. How dare you? Now
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  Speaker 3: Lauren said she was lost for words but managed to
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  Speaker 3: respond something along the lines of, you think I want
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  Speaker 3: my baby crying right now?
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  Speaker 1: Now Lauren said the encounter tipped her over the edge
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  Speaker 1: and left her sobbing in her seat. She wrote on
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  Speaker 1: her Instagram story, I'm very emotional since becoming a mother
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  Speaker 1: and I just couldn't comprehend how someone could be so
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  Speaker 1: rude and offensive. To someone who is already in a
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  Speaker 1: very vulnerable position, flying with a young child is pretty
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  Speaker 1: stressful even when.
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  Speaker 2: Two parents are there, let alone on your own.
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  Speaker 1: She went on to write, I want to share this
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  Speaker 1: story for other mothers and just anyone who has never
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  Speaker 1: thought about how it feels to be the parent with
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  Speaker 1: the crying baby.
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  Speaker 3: On a plane.
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  Speaker 1: Have some compassion for them. I know many of us
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  Speaker 1: at times felt irritated by a baby crying and maybe
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  Speaker 1: passed a thought about it. But to go out of
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  Speaker 1: your way to approach that alone mother, how fucking mean.
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  Speaker 1: No one wants their baby to be crying. No one
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  Speaker 1: wants to interrupt others' sleep. But this is public transport
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  Speaker 1: and I have as much right as she does to
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  Speaker 1: be in business class with my child. She better hire
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  Speaker 1: a private jet if she thinks she's entitled to a
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  Speaker 1: completely uninterrupted flight next time.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, I hope I never have to encounter such a
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  Speaker 2: bitch again.
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  Speaker 1: And I think the fact I was so rattled about
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  Speaker 1: it shows a lot about my morals versus hers.
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  Speaker 3: I've never heard anyone refer to business class as public transport.
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  Speaker 3: That's quite hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: But I suppose the only way to be guaranteed a
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  Speaker 1: baby-free flight is to charter your own jet. Yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 1: in two minds because I obviously feel really sorry for Lauren.
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  Speaker 1: That would be such a shit experience. But can you
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  Speaker 1: imagine paying, what, $ 20, 000 or something to fly business class
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  Speaker 1: and having a baby cry the whole way there?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I've got to admit as well, before having
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  Speaker 3: a baby, I was someone who was so annoyed when
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  Speaker 3: I saw a baby was on my flight. And I
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  Speaker 3: have had the experience of some long night flights in
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  Speaker 3: economy with babies crying. Now that I am a mother though,
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  Speaker 3: I just feel so sorry for any parent that has
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  Speaker 3: to endure a flight because I'm sitting there thinking, oh,
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  Speaker 3: it's so hard on me having to listen to it.
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  Speaker 3: But imagine having to tend to the baby. It would
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  Speaker 3: be so bloody stressful. In saying that though, Amy, I
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  Speaker 3: do agree with you. If I'd paid all of that
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  Speaker 3: money for business class, I would not be thrilled if
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  Speaker 3: a baby was seated near me.
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  Speaker 1: And it doesn't surprise me that something like this happened
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  Speaker 1: on an aeroplane because emotions are so high. Like I
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  Speaker 1: saw a clip the other day on TikTok where a
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  Speaker 1: man stood with his arms against the back of his
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  Speaker 1: seat for eight hours to stop the man in front
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  Speaker 1: of him reclining back.
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  Speaker 2: Like people just turn into absolute animals.
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  Speaker 3: The thing is though, we've now progressed so far with
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  Speaker 3: noise cancelling headphones. Surely they should be available in business class,
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  Speaker 3: you know, just even to help out with people abusing
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  Speaker 3: the flight attendance over babies being on planes.
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  Speaker 1: I have seen there's this trend where parents will bring
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  Speaker 1: a little survival kit for the people sitting around their children.
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  Speaker 1: It'll often be like lollies and chocolate and earplugs, somehow
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that would go down well in first class.
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  Speaker 1: They're not the sort of people that are impressed by
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  Speaker 1: a couple of Mars bars and some Skittles.
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  Speaker 3: I'd love to know how many times the woman who
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  Speaker 3: abused Lauren has flown business class because I'd almost be
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  Speaker 3: willing to give her the benefit of the doubt if
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  Speaker 3: it was her first and only time and it's been
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  Speaker 3: interrupted by this famous travel vlogger.
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  Speaker 1: With that attitude, I think she's in there all the time.
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  Speaker 1: I think she thinks that business class is just her
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  Speaker 1: personal cabin. Well, I actually looked up how much it
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  Speaker 1: costs for a baby to travel business class with you
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  Speaker 1: because I know if you bring babies, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: under two on a regular flight, you don't have to
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  Speaker 1: pay for them. However, it's a little bit different in
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  Speaker 1: business class. So you end up having to pay around 10%
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  Speaker 1: of the adult fare if they sit on your lap,
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  Speaker 1: whereas if you get a seat for them, you pay
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  Speaker 1: the same as an adult business class fare. Gosh, you
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  Speaker 1: should almost have to pay more because of the inconvenience
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  Speaker 1: of the other people.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's pretty interesting because Malaysian Airlines is the only
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  Speaker 3: airline who outright bans babies in their A380 first class.
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  Speaker 3: They say babies aren't allowed due to an inability to
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  Speaker 3: accommodate bassinets as well as passenger complaints. There have also
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  Speaker 3: been some airlines who have either experimented or implemented children-free
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  Speaker 3: business class zones. I think that could be a good idea.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a great idea.
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  Speaker 1: I heard on a podcast that there's also now baby-free
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  Speaker 1: hotels that you can go to. Well, they've got baby-free
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  Speaker 1: islands in Queensland, so it makes sense. I think the
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  Speaker 1: real MVP here is Etihad because Etihad, They provide a
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  Speaker 1: flying nanny service that's available to all passengers across all classes.
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  Speaker 1: So it's essentially an in-flight childcare assistance scheme where the
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  Speaker 1: nannies help with bassinet and baby equipment. They also help
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  Speaker 1: with feeding, including delivering meals early or warming bottles.
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  Speaker 5: Just going through the motions at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 5: life is not perfect. People aren't perfect.
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  Speaker 1: Tammy Hembrough has given followers another look behind the scenes
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  Speaker 1: of her marriage breakdown to Matt Zukowski. The OG influencer
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  Speaker 1: backed up the viral video she shared of her crying
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  Speaker 1: last weekend with a YouTube vlog documenting the months leading
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  Speaker 1: into her divorce announcement in June. Kate, this is the
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  Speaker 1: first time that Tammy has posted a YouTube in over
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  Speaker 1: four months.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, her last vlog was back in late March when
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  Speaker 3: she visited her younger sisters in London. And the vlog
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  Speaker 3: documented bits and pieces from Tammy's birthday, Wolf's birthday, her
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  Speaker 3: supplement brand Selfish's PR tour in Melbourne and her trip
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  Speaker 3: to Egypt. So Tammy shared the link to her YouTube
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  Speaker 3: on her Instagram story and provided a disclaimer revealing she'd
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  Speaker 3: been avoiding posting the video and really didn't want to.
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  Speaker 3: Let's listen to more of what she had to say.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever, I posted it.
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  Speaker 3: So if you want to go watch it, go watch it.
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  Speaker 3: But bear in mind that I had a lot going
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  Speaker 3: on in the background. I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I can't rewatch it.
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  Speaker 5: Because it's just like.
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  Speaker 3: Too much for me.
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  Speaker 4: But if you guys want to watch it, I thought
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  Speaker 4: I'm just going to post it, whatever, because I had
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  Speaker 4: the best time in Egypt and, like, you know, people
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  Speaker 4: keep asking me when I'm posting my next YouTube video,
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  Speaker 4: so I'm just posting it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm guessing she didn't want to post it at the
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  Speaker 1: time because she didn't want to provide further proof that
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  Speaker 1: her and Matt had broken up.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And the end scene that was included in the vlog
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  Speaker 3: was actually filmed around the time that Tammy started teasing
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  Speaker 3: that something was going on. Remember it was a week
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  Speaker 3: before she announced the divorce and she said, look, I've
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  Speaker 3: been going through something difficult. I mean, the other telltale
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  Speaker 3: signs were the fact that Matt was absent from all
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  Speaker 3: of these important family events, which was already quite obvious
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  Speaker 3: on her Instagram story. In terms of this final scene,
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  Speaker 3: Tammy admitted that she was going through a difficult time
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  Speaker 3: and had been pretending online that everything was okay. And
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  Speaker 3: She went on to say that it had been really
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  Speaker 3: difficult for her to show up for her kids and
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  Speaker 3: also work while she was going through something so difficult.
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  Speaker 1: Well, imagine how many people would have been asking her
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  Speaker 1: in Egypt, how's Matt? Like your wedding looks beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because she was hosting this trip alongside this travel agency.
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  Speaker 3: So they were all fans of hers that were on
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  Speaker 3: the trip. Now, at one point in the YouTube, Tammy
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  Speaker 3: almost broke down in tears, but pulled herself together and
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  Speaker 3: said she'd cried enough for an entire year in the
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  Speaker 3: last month. So didn't want to cry anymore. She then
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  Speaker 3: said this.
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  Speaker 5: Just going through the motions at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 5: life is not perfect. People aren't perfect and life can
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  Speaker 5: throw you some curveballs and you just got to roll
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  Speaker 5: with it. Sometimes it's not the outcome you wanted and
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  Speaker 5: that's just life. Sometimes the universe tries to tell you
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  Speaker 5: and you don't listen until you are forced to listen.
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  Speaker 3: Tammy went on to tease that she would have more
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  Speaker 3: to say in her next YouTube video. Let's take a
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  Speaker 3: listen to what she said.
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  Speaker 5: I will talk about things more. I probably won't go
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  Speaker 5: into like super details, but I definitely will talk about
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  Speaker 5: it more later on because for me, like having an
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  Speaker 5: online presence and stuff, it's not like I just post
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  Speaker 5: like just fashion or just gym or just, you know,
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  Speaker 5: like I very much show my just my life and
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  Speaker 5: me and stuff online so I makes me feel better
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  Speaker 5: not having to like hide certain parts and in the
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  Speaker 5: past like I do I do try to have respect
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  Speaker 5: for other people involved and not you know I never
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  Speaker 5: want to hold on to hatred and negativity and like
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  Speaker 5: make other people look bad but I also do want
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  Speaker 5: to be able to.
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  Speaker 3: Express myself Now, as I mentioned before, this scene was
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  Speaker 3: shot in June before she announced her divorce. I wonder, though,
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  Speaker 3: if she will be going into more detail in her
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  Speaker 3: new YouTube videos.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I really think it depends how much Matt actually
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  Speaker 1: reveals because he has been stoking the fire. He made
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  Speaker 1: a similar vow last week to his podcast listeners saying
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  Speaker 1: that he was going to share more about his breakup journey.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, off the back of that, I waited with bated
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  Speaker 3: breath to listen to his podcast. Interestingly, Matt and his
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  Speaker 3: co-host Anna McAvoy chose to interview a narcissist abuse educator.
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  Speaker 3: So Matt and Anna claimed it was a topic their
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  Speaker 3: audience had asked them to cover for a long time.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting timing they chose to do that that week. Now
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  Speaker 3: in the episode, they spoke about how to tell if
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: someone is a narcissist or just has narcissistic traits, as
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: well as discussing how social media encourages narcissism. pretty uncomfortable
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: listening to this episode because to me, it felt like
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: a thinly veiled swipe at Tammy.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: It definitely came across that way. I think if Matt
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: wants to speak out about Tammy, just say something. Don't
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: start sharing this type of petty stuff online.
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: Well, he can't come out and say she's a narcissist.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: This is the way that he can infer that's what
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: he's thinking without getting himself in too much trouble. I mean,
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: we've got to remember that they're still finalizing the divorce.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: There are lawyers involved. So he needs to be really
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: careful about what he says Maybe he is waiting to
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: see how he fares in this divorce before putting too
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: much information out there.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: Well, we already know that they signed a prenup.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you never know. If there's things that people
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: don't want discussed, there might be negotiations back and forth.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: What we know from listening to So Dramatic is that
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Tammy has already threatened Matt legally, so allegedly. So that's
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: maybe why he's trying to speak in riddles.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: On his podcast.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, meanwhile, one of Matt's former Love Island co-stars
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: has alleged a whole episode of the reality show never
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: aired due to something Matt did during filming. Vanessa Sierra,
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: who Matt had a short-lived romance with on the show
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: six years ago, divulged that she was sworn to secrecy
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: over the incident. So it all came out during a
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: Q & A over the weekend when Vanessa was asked
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: by a follower if she had any Love Island dirt
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: to share for fun. And she replied, there's a whole
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: episode that they didn't air because of something that Matt
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: Z did. And the producers told me not to tell anyone,
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: including the Islanders. In hindsight, I should not have listened.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: And she has continued to remain tight lipped about what
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: actually went down. And it's important to point out there
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: has been no suggestion of wrongdoing on Matt's behalf. And
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: we're definitely not trying to suggest he did anything.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: I would love to know what actually happened, though. It's
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: pretty mysterious to say that a whole episode of the
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: show was pulled because of something he did. I mean,
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: if you're going to come out and say that, just
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: tell the full story rather than tease everyone.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Maybe Vanessa will have to release her own subtle podcast.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: Well, in terms of their relationship on the show, I
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: didn't actually watch this series, but she was one of
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: the original Islanders in season two of the show. And
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: she coupled up with Matt pretty early on when he
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: entered the villa as a bombshell.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Wait, so you didn't see this series at all?
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: No, I actually want to go back and watch it.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: No, I watched it and I've seen some clips of
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: the show coming back on TikTok. And there was one where,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: because Matt's sort of claim to fame was that he'd
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: slept with, I think it was like 200 women and
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: some of the girls had a bit of a go
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: at him and that clip has since gone viral on TikTok.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: I'm sure it has.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: The issue with Matt was I think he gave a
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: lot of the girls the ick and he had a
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: lot of difficulty coupling up.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: He was in a lot of friend couples.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Vanessa ended up getting voted off the show
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: by the other contestants because they thought she was leading
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: Matt on and didn't actually have very good intentions with
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: him and he decided to remain on the show and
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: he didn't leave with her. And apparently when he left
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: the show and found out that Vanessa was the villain,
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: he wasn't really interested in getting to know her any further.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Interesting she's brunette as well because that's meant to be
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: his type, big boobs and brunette.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, she ticks the boxes there. The last time
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: we spoke about Vanessa Sierra was back in 2021. So
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: that was when she made explosive claims about her then boyfriend,
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Australian tennis player Bernard Tomic. So they made headlines when
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: they started an OnlyFans account together saying And then Vanessa
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: created a massive media frenzy when she claimed that Bernard
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: had anger issues and that he smashed her laptop during
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: an argument. That's right.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: She released that vision.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: And then Bernard accused her of being a clout chaser
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: and using his name for attention.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Ironically, they actually ended up getting back together after that
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: for only a short amount of time, but they somehow
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: managed to patch things over.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Well, on the topic of athletes, there are currently whispers
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: that Tammy is planning her Brownlow look.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't this be epic?
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we don't have to wait too long because
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: the Brownlow takes place the Monday before the grand final,
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: and that's on the 22nd of September. I cannot wait
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: to see if Tammy Hembrough rocks up with Bailey Smith.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: It's been reported that Tammy is set to create the
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: biggest spotlight still since Beck Judd's red dress 20 years ago.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: And countless designers have been contacting Tammy to dress her
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: for the event. However, it's been tipped that she'll be
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: styled by influencer stylist Paul Versace.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: We definitely didn't have this in our 2025 predictions. Tammy
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: attending the Brownlow.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: I would be absolutely floored knowing that this was in
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: the cards.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Well, I think at the time we all thought that
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: the marriage would end, but we felt too mean to
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: say it in our predictions.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: But a lot of people sent that through.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: I think we did predict it.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Surely it was a prediction.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: No, we didn't.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: We felt too mean.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: It was an off mic. It was a private prediction.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a private prediction.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: I have to tell this again. I'm going to quit
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: my job.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Sky Wheatley has been accused of breaking advertising rules after
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: filming herself getting a salmon sperm facial. The allegations came
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: off the back of the former reality star revealing she
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: spent more than 500k on plastic surgery and injectables.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: I love it because you had to record that a
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: couple of times because you burst out laughing when you
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: said that she was filming herself getting a salmon sperm facial.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Because It kind of sounds like she broke advertising rules
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: because it's kind of a sorted process. It's not. It's
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: literally just injected into your face.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Well, I'd only heard of the salmon sperm facials from
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Bec Judd's podcast that we spoke about a couple of
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: months ago.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And that's why this story is so interesting. So
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Skye is no stranger to sharing her experience with cosmetic procedures.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: In 2025, she documented herself getting a breast augmentation in
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: Thailand as part of a promotional arrangement. Unfortunately, that surgery
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: went wrong and She was left with a very noticeable
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: double bubble in her right breast and she later paid
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: $ 28, 000 to have corrective surgery in Sydney to fix the issue.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Of course, this time last year, Sky underwent a controversial
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: fox eye lift in Turkey. We spoke about that in
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: length at the time. And during that trip, she also
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: had a temporal lift and liposuction on her arms and
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: inner thighs. So it seemed very on trend for Skye
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: to share about getting a salmon sperm facial, nothing too
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: out of the ordinary. And she documented her experience on
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: TikTok sharing a glowing testimony of the treatment. She also
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: filmed the procedure in progress and the aftermath. Skye also
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: shared before and after photos on her Instagram story and
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: made claims about how the treatment worked. It's important to
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: point out it's unclear what the advertising relationship is between
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Sky and the cosmetic clinic. She hasn't disclosed that there
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: was a partnership, but she tagged the skin clinic in
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: her TikTok and on her Instagram story. So the big
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: question is, why is it a problem? And how does
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: this differ to her sharing about her plastic surgery?
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: So the difference is that the procedure is actually regulated
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: by the TGA as a class three medical device. So
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: back in 2022... The TGA updated their code, which impacted
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: the way influencers promote cosmetic injectables on social media. So
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: the rules are now very strict. Basically, influencers cannot show
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: before and after comparisons or provide testimonies.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: And it got me thinking about how Bec Judd recently
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: spoke about the salmon sperm facial on her podcast, Vanish.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: And it appears the difference is that Bec did it
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: in more of an educational way that was balanced. And
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: she spoke about both the risks and the benefits. It
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: also appears she wasn't actually paid to speak about it,
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: which is another major difference. It is all rather confusing
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: because it appears that the restrictions around the promotion of
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: medical goods and devices is actually stricter than the promotion
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: of surgeries because you see so many influencers talking about
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: the various cosmetic surgeries that they've had and it doesn't
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: seem like they have to abide by any specific rules.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: But that's essentially because surgeries are already regulated as a
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: professional service. And the focus is on the practitioner, whereas
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: with medical goods and devices, they can be misused by
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: the public more easily. So that's why they have what
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: appear to be stricter rules around advertising on social media.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: So it's interesting because it was actually the Daily Telegraph
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: who broke the story about Sky. And recently, they have
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: been reporting on major media outlets who've been receiving fines
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: and court actions by the TGA for allegedly unlawful advertising.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: And this is in relation to stories about medical cannabis
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: weight loss drugs, and also cosmetic surgery.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: So it's obviously on their radar.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, reading between the lines, it seemed like the Daily
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: Telegraph were quite annoyed by the fact that big media
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: are getting stung while influencers are dodging penalties. They even
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: reported that the TGA are yet to reveal comparable penalties
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: for influencers. The details the TGA have released, though, are
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: that nearly 13,500 people online ads were removed last year
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: due to breaching restrictions. So I wonder if they're really
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: trying to make an example of Sky.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I can understand why there would be frustration coming from
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: the large media outlets because the influencer world is so unregulated.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: And even though there are apparently all these rules that
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: they must follow, it doesn't seem that any influencers ever
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: actually get punished for doing the wrong thing. I mean,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: how many times do we see influencers not disclosing ads
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: and nothing ever happens?
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, at the worst, they seem to get a slap
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: on the wrist. I do want to point out the
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: TGA have not confirmed if Sky is being investigated as
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: they cannot actually comment on individual cases.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Well, funnily enough, the Daily Telegraph reached out to Sky
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: for comment and they reported that they received a message
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: back from a woman claiming to be Sky's manager called
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Daniela Lombardi. And she apparently wrote, I'm Sky's manager and
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I do not give you permission to write about Sky,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: nor is it any of your concern.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: And later Sky.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Confessed on TikTok that she was actually pretending to be
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: her manager. So in the comment section of her video,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: she wrote, yep, that was me. I wrote that with
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: two laughing faces.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: And this is why Sky continues to be popular on
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: social media.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: I love that she didn't even go to chat GPT
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: for a response. You can tell that she just wrote
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: this herself.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, the Daily Telegraph actually included some of the
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: typos in the message as well, which was pretty funny.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: You could just imagine they would have been sitting around
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: in the newsroom and been like, this is not her manager.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: This is Sky. Yeah, the fact that they actually included
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: it because normally they say, oh, you know, Sky Wheatley
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: was contacted and refused to comment or something like that.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: But to actually include it verbatim is pretty funny.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: But I love that Sky just thinks that because her
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: manager says you don't have permission to write about Sky,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: they're just going to go, oh, okay, sorry, that's cool.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: We just won't print anything.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: What I want to know, is her manager actually called
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Daniela Lombardia or is that a fake name as well?
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Pretty sure it's a fake name.
• 26:16
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• 26:18
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• 26:20
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• 26:24
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• 26:26
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• 26:29
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• 26:31
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