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- 0:00Welcome back, everyone.
- 0:01I'm Claire, and I'm here with my favorite resident sage,
- 0:04Edwin Carrington.
- 0:05Today we're talking about team performance,
- 0:07but not in the "let's do a pep talk and order pizza" way.
- 0:07No,
- 0:12no pizza required.
- 0:13We're going to separate vibes from evidence.
- 0:16Because most organizations don't actually have a "team performance" problem.
- 0:20They have a measurement problem.
- 0:20Let's start right there.
- 0:23When you say "team performance," what do you actually mean?
- 0:27Because a lot of leaders still default to,
- 0:29"Are people working hard enough?"Team performance is simple to say,
- 0:34harder to live.
- 0:35It's a team's ability to consistently produce the outcomes it's responsible
- 0:39for, at an acceptable quality level,
- 0:42inside real constraints-time, budget,
- 0:45dependencies-without burning people out.
- 0:47So outcomes, quality, speed, and sustainability.
- 0:51All four.
- 0:51So that's different from individual performance reviews,
- 0:56which are more, "Is this person doing their job well?" You're asking,
- 1:00"Can this whole group actually produce results together?"Exactly.
- 1:04You can have a room full of high performers on paper and still have a
- 1:08weak team.
- 1:08Work gets stuck in handoffs.
- 1:11Decisions take forever.
- 1:12Conflict just...sits there.
- 1:14Ownership is fuzzy so nothing moves.
- 1:17That's the gap between individual performance and team performance.
- 1:17You
- 1:22also make a distinction I really like between team effectiveness,
- 1:25team dynamics, and team health.
- 1:27Can you break those down in plain language?
- 1:27Of course.
- 1:30Team effectiveness is, "Do we actually deliver?" So speed,
- 1:34quality, reliability of outcomes.
- 1:37Team dynamics is, "What does it feel like when we work together?" Communication
- 1:42patterns, how we handle conflict,
- 1:44how we make decisions.
- 1:45Team health is the sustainability layer: engagement,
- 1:49trust, morale, workload, psychological safety.
- 1:53Are people able to keep doing this without frying?
- 1:53So effectiveness is
- 1:58results, dynamics is how we interact,
- 2:00health is whether we're burning out or building something durable.
- 2:03And research from the big players basically says: you can measure all
- 2:06three, right?
- 2:06You can, and you should.
- 2:09The most robust studies on teams tend to land on a similar core: psychological
- 2:15safety, dependability, structure and clarity,
- 2:18a sense of meaning and impact,
- 2:20plus basic health indicators like engagement.
- 2:23Those are not fluffy ideas-they show up over and over as predictors of
- 2:28whether teams actually deliver.
- 2:28Okay,
- 2:31so, if the research is pretty clear,
- 2:33why do so many leaders still jump to motivation talks,
- 2:36new tools, or a reorg when a team slips?
- 2:36Because those are visible.
- 2:41They feel like action.
- 2:43The real drivers of performance are more boring: role clarity,
- 2:47decision rights, how work actually flows,
- 2:50whether people feel safe surfacing risks early.
- 2:53If you're not measuring those,
- 2:55you end up doing what I call performance theater-lots of motion,
- 2:58little change.
- 2:58So let's get practical.
- 3:02If I'm an HR leader or a founder in,
- 3:04say, a 100-person company, how do I move from theater to evidence without
- 3:08turning this into a giant culture project?
- 3:08You start with a very simple
- 3:13diagnostic.
- 3:14Two parts.
- 3:15First, a short team health survey: a few questions on psychological safety-"Can
- 3:21I speak up?"-dependability, clarity of goals and roles,
- 3:25and whether the work feels meaningful.
- 3:27Short enough that people actually finish it.
- 3:30Second, a handful of hard metrics.
- 3:30These are the ones I've seen you use
- 3:35again and again.
- 3:36Delivery reliability, cycle time,
- 3:38decision latency.
- 3:39Walk us through those, please?
- 3:39Delivery reliability is,
- 3:43"Do we do what we said we'd do,
- 3:45when we said we'd do it?" It's just the percentage of commitments met.
- 3:49Cycle time is, "How long does typical work take from start to done?"
- 3:55Decision latency is, "How long do important decisions sit unresolved?"
- 4:00Add a simple quality signal-defects or rework-and a basic team health
- 4:05trend.
- 4:05So you're not asking for a dashboard with 40 KPIs.
- 4:08You're saying: a short survey,
- 4:10plus four or five numbers you can track weekly.
- 4:10That's right.
- 4:14Consistent and simple beats perfect.
- 4:17Once you can see, for example,
- 4:18that decision latency is high and psychological safety is low,
- 4:22you stop guessing.
- 4:23You can say, "We don't need another motivational talk.
- 4:27We need clearer decision rights and safer conversations."This is also
- 4:31where I see tools like OAD help,
- 4:33because they add the behavioral layer.
- 4:35You've got the survey and the metrics,
- 4:37but you can also see: do we have a decision-averse leadership group?
- 4:41Do we have a whole team of people who avoid conflict or hate structure?
- 4:41Exactly.
- 4:46Behavioral data gives you x‑ray vision on fit.
- 4:50You can see whether a manager's natural style clashes with what the role
- 4:54and the team actually need.
- 4:56You can see collaboration preferences,
- 4:58stress responses, decision styles.
- 5:01When you layer OAD on top of the metrics,
- 5:04it tells you whether the problem is the system,
- 5:07the fit, or both.
- 5:07And that's the shift you're arguing for: stop blaming
- 5:11"the team," start measuring the system they're in-and use data,
- 5:15including OAD, to see if you've actually set them up to perform.
- 5:15Alright,
- 5:19so we've got a clearer picture of what to measure.
- 5:21Let's talk about what "good" actually looks like.
- 5:23When you walk into a high-performing team,
- 5:26what do you notice?
- 5:26The first thing is very unglamorous: work moves.
- 5:31Decisions don't sit.
- 5:32Handoffs don't stall.
- 5:34People keep commitments.
- 5:36You see dependability-if someone says,
- 5:39"I'll have it by Thursday," it usually shows up by Thursday at an acceptable
- 5:43quality level.
- 5:43There's also a kind of...cleanliness to the way they operate.
- 5:48Goals and roles aren't fuzzy.
- 5:49People know why the team exists,
- 5:51what success looks like, and who owns what slice of it.
- 5:51That's structure
- 5:55and clarity.
- 5:56High-performing teams don't leave ownership to chance.
- 5:59They define who decides, who executes,
- 6:02what "done" means.
- 6:03That reduces friction and conflict before it starts.
- 6:07Then there's psychological safety and trust-you'll hear people raise
- 6:11uncomfortable truths early, not at the end when everything's on fire.
- 6:11So
- 6:16you might hear someone say, "Hey,
- 6:17we're over-committing this sprint," or,
- 6:20"This requirement doesn't make sense," and it's normal,
- 6:22not career suicide.
- 6:22Exactly.
- 6:25And when those issues are raised,
- 6:27the system turns them into action.
- 6:29That's a key marker.
- 6:31In the better studies on team trust,
- 6:33high-performing teams aren't "nice"-they're proactive about tension,
- 6:37they keep each other in the loop,
- 6:39they resolve issues before they rot.
- 6:39You've also talked about the human
- 6:43capability side-curiosity, resilience,
- 6:46connected teaming, different ways of thinking.
- 6:48How do those fit into this picture?
- 6:48Those capabilities are like fuel.
- 6:53Curiosity means people question old assumptions instead of just pushing
- 6:57harder.
- 6:57Connected teaming is the ability to coordinate across functions.
- 7:02Resilience keeps the team steady when things change.
- 7:05Divergent thinking lets people see multiple options instead of defaulting
- 7:10to the obvious one.
- 7:11But those only show up consistently when the basics-clarity,
- 7:15trust, governance-are in place.
- 7:15So,
- 7:18human capabilities are powerful,
- 7:20but they're amplified or suppressed by the manager and the system.
- 7:23A strong manager with clear decision rules and a good operating rhythm
- 7:27kind of "turns up the volume" on those capabilities.
- 7:27That's right.
- 7:31A good manager makes it safe to be curious,
- 7:34uses structure so divergent ideas actually get tested,
- 7:38and protects the team's resilience by managing workload.
- 7:42And governance-who decides what,
- 7:45how fast-is what stops cross-functional teams from drowning in ambiguity.
- 7:45Let's
- 7:51make this really concrete.
- 7:52If I'm looking across my organization,
- 7:54what observable traits tell me,
- 7:56"This is one of our best teams"?You'd see: they hit the majority of their
- 8:01commitments without drama.
- 8:02Their cycle times are shorter than peers.
- 8:05Decisions in their world move quickly.
- 8:07When you ask them about goals and roles,
- 8:10they give consistent answers.
- 8:12In meetings, you hear disagreement early and resolution by the end,
- 8:15not the same debate every week.
- 8:17And their engagement and turnover look better over time,
- 8:20not worse.
- 8:20And if you compare that to a struggling team,
- 8:24you'd probably see slow decisions,
- 8:25vague ownership, a lot of rework,
- 8:28and people quietly checking out.
- 8:28Exactly.
- 8:30The differences sound simple-dependability,
- 8:33clarity, safety, trust-but they add up.
- 8:37And here's where OAD becomes very practical for HR and founders.
- 8:41Once you know which teams are your best,
- 8:43you can look under the hood behaviorally.
- 8:43Yeah,
- 8:47you can ask: what's actually true about the people and the roles on those
- 8:50teams?
- 8:51Do we have managers whose natural style fits the role?
- 8:54Do we have the right mix of drivers-some people who love structure,
- 8:58some who challenge it, some who bring calm under pressure?
- 8:58And you can
- 9:02compare that to struggling teams.
- 9:04Maybe your weakest team has a manager whose natural tendencies are highly
- 9:08controlling in a role that needs delegation,
- 9:10or very conflict-avoidant in a space that needs hard trade-offs weekly.
- 9:14With OAD, you're not guessing.
- 9:17You see where role demands and natural style are misaligned.
- 9:17I've seen
- 9:22companies use it to staff project teams,
- 9:24too-putting the naturally detail-oriented folks in critical handoff roles,
- 9:28pairing them with people who push decisions forward,
- 9:31and avoiding those teams where everyone wants to brainstorm and nobody
- 9:34wants to finish.
- 9:34That's right.
- 9:36You're not looking for "better people." You're designing better combinations
- 9:41and clearer conditions.
- 9:42The research tells you which conditions matter.
- 9:45Your metrics tell you which teams are actually performing.
- 9:48Behavioral data from OAD helps you replicate the wins and spot manager
- 9:53risk early, instead of waiting for burnout or attrition to show up in
- 9:57a dashboard.
- 9:57So high-performing teams are not a mystery.
- 10:01They're a pattern you can observe,
- 10:03measure, and then intentionally recreate-with the right structure,
- 10:06the right manager habits, and the right behavioral mix.
- 10:06Alright,
- 10:11let's get into the "do this next month" part.
- 10:13You talk a lot about running boring,
- 10:15powerful experiments instead of announcing big initiatives.
- 10:18What does that loop actually look like?
- 10:18The loop is very simple.
- 10:22One: pick a performance gap-late delivery,
- 10:26constant rework, slow decisions,
- 10:29rising burnout risk.
- 10:30Two: tie it to one main driver-clarity,
- 10:35trust, decisions, or communication.
- 10:38Three: define one or two specific behavior changes.
- 10:42Four: track one leading and one lagging metric for 2-4 weeks.
- 10:47That's it.
- 10:47Let's walk through examples,
- 10:50because I know people listening are already thinking,
- 10:52"Okay, but what does that actually look like on Monday?" Start with decisions,
- 10:57since that's such a common pain point.
- 10:57Decision-latency experiment.
- 11:01Performance gap: important decisions take too long.
- 11:05Driver: decision-making and clarity of ownership.
- 11:09Behavior change: every decision above a certain impact level has a named
- 11:14decision owner and a deadline-say 48 hours-to make the call once input
- 11:19is gathered.
- 11:19Metrics: leading indicator is median decision latency,
- 11:24lagging is delivery reliability on key projects.
- 11:27Run that for three weeks and see if work moves faster.
- 11:27So really tangible:
- 11:32"I own this decision, I'll make it by Thursday," instead of decisions
- 11:35floating in email threads for weeks.
- 11:35Exactly.
- 11:38Another one is a role-clarity experiment.
- 11:41Gap: work falls through the cracks and people step on each other's toes.
- 11:46Driver: clarity.
- 11:48Behavior change: for one project,
- 11:51you create a simple RACI for key deliverables and a one-line "definition
- 11:56of done" for each.
- 11:57Metrics: leading indicator is the number of unclear ownership escalations;
- 12:03lagging is rework rate or missed handoffs.
- 12:03What about communication,
- 12:08especially with hybrid or distributed teams?
- 12:08Async-communication experiment.
- 12:13Gap: people feel out of the loop,
- 12:15meetings are bloated, and surprises keep popping up.
- 12:18Driver: communication.
- 12:21Behavior change: you standardize a daily or twice-weekly async update
- 12:27with a simple template-what I completed,
- 12:29what's next, what's blocked, what decisions I need.
- 12:33Metrics: leading is the number of blockers identified early; lagging
- 12:39could be cycle time or the frequency of last-minute fire drills.
- 12:39You've
- 12:43mentioned light governance around these experiments,
- 12:45so it doesn't become bureaucracy.
- 12:47What does "just enough" governance look like?
- 12:47Three things.
- 12:50One owner per experiment-often the manager or a project lead.
- 12:55A short weekly review where the team looks at the one leading and one
- 12:59lagging metric and decides whether to continue,
- 13:02adjust, or stop.
- 13:04And an escalation path-if a blocker sits for more than,
- 13:08say, 48 hours, it automatically escalates to a named leader.
- 13:12At the end of 2-4 weeks, you run a quick retrospective: what helped,
- 13:17what didn't, what do we keep.
- 13:17And I want to bring OAD back in here,
- 13:21because it can even help you choose which experiment to run,
- 13:24right?
- 13:25If the behavioral data shows your manager is naturally conflict-avoidant,
- 13:29maybe you don't start with a trust-and-conflict experiment that depends
- 13:33entirely on their personal comfort level.
- 13:33Exactly.
- 13:36OAD can show you, for example,
- 13:39that your leadership trio is heavily cautious and consensus-oriented.
- 13:43In that case, a decision-speed experiment might need more structural
- 13:47support-clear rules and timeboxes-rather than just asking everyone to
- 13:51"decide faster." Or if your team skews highly independent and low on structure,
- 13:57a role-clarity experiment will feel uncomfortable at first,
- 14:00and you can plan for that.
- 14:00So behavioral data lets you de‑risk these small
- 14:05experiments.
- 14:06You're not surprised when a particular change feels hard for a particular
- 14:10manager, because you already know their natural style and stress responses.
- 14:10That's
- 14:15right.
- 14:15Instead of saying, "They're resisting," you can say,
- 14:18"This is a stretch for how they're wired-how do we support it?" That's
- 14:23a very different conversation.
- 14:24And when you combine that with simple metrics-delivery reliability,
- 14:29cycle time, decision latency, rework,
- 14:32team health trends-you can see,
- 14:34within a month, whether a change is actually working.
- 14:34I like how all of
- 14:38this avoids performance theater.
- 14:40No giant culture initiative, no vague promises.
- 14:43Just: diagnose, pick one driver,
- 14:46change one or two behaviors, measure,
- 14:48repeat.
- 14:48Exactly.
- 14:50It's not glamorous, but it's how you build a high-performing environment
- 14:55over time.
- 14:55You're treating team performance like an operating problem,
- 14:58not a motivational one.
- 14:58Alright,
- 15:01let's land this.
- 15:02For everyone listening-HR leaders,
- 15:04founders, people managers-if you want to move from gut feel to evidence
- 15:08in how you hire, design teams, and lead,
- 15:11you need both sides: simple performance metrics and real insight into
- 15:15how your people naturally work.
- 15:15And that's where I'd invite you to try
- 15:19OAD.
- 15:20Use it to see role fit, decision styles,
- 15:24collaboration preferences, and manager risk before it shows up as burnout
- 15:28or attrition.
- 15:29Then pair that with the small experiments we've talked about today.
- 15:29If
- 15:34you want to move from gut feel to evidence in how you hire,
- 15:37design teams, and lead, test OAD for free at OAD.
- 15:37ai.
- 15:41No drama, no performance theater-just practical data you can use next
- 15:45month.
- 15:45Claire, as always, a pleasure.
- 15:45Same here,
- 15:48Edwin.
- 15:48And thanks to all of you for listening.
- 15:50We'll be back with more ways to build teams that actually work.
- 15:53Take care, everyone.