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TMCP Ep 7: Tank vs Roach and the Legend of Jack Johnson · The Mixed Company Podcast

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Speaker 1: In this corner standing it six foot five weight class
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Speaker 1: unknown hailing from Sin City, Las Vegas, Jamison Welsh and
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Speaker 1: in this corner standing it five foot nine, Wayne Town
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Speaker 1: with six wins.
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Speaker 2: Three losses, two arrests, four late.
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Speaker 1: Payments on student loans and two total bankruptcies.
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Speaker 3: HiT's the Classy. I'll go home, Thank you. Welcome back
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Speaker 3: to another edition of the Mixed Company Podcast. Of course
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Speaker 3: I'm one of your hosts, Jamison Welsh and of course
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Speaker 3: another week joined by the classy Alcoholic Classy. What's going on?
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Speaker 2: Man, it's your boy, the classy alcoholic ready to rock
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five, shout out to everybody doing dry January.
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Speaker 2: I am not doing that shit, but shout out to
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Speaker 2: y'all who have better in both control than me.
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Speaker 3: Ain't no way, what everything's way? Man, I'm gonna I'll
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Speaker 3: brick like that. But yeah, nah, more power to y'all
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Speaker 3: if you do it. So you know, yeah, I'm proud
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Speaker 3: of y'all.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, we got a very special episode for y'all,
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Speaker 2: just like in the nineties when Erkele and Boy Meets
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Speaker 2: World used to do special episodes. But yeah, blest in
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Speaker 2: the past, Dyby, But first I want to jump into
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Speaker 2: some quick boxing news. What do you say, jameson you
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Speaker 2: want to check out the Boxing Gazette.
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Speaker 3: I mean there's been a lot going on lately. Like
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Speaker 3: if at the start of the year happened, then we
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Speaker 3: got all this stuff coming about. I think Tank confirm
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Speaker 3: his fight. I'm hearing Devin Haney and Ryan I see
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Speaker 3: a rematch talk. I'm hearing Crawford Canelo or Canel Crawford
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Speaker 3: getting you know, hearing a lot of different things, man,
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Speaker 3: which you want to cover first?
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Speaker 2: Well, it's just really quick. There are rumors in the
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Speaker 2: Twitter sphere, Yeah, that Canelo and Crawford might be on
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Speaker 2: for September. You know, it's not official, nothing's been really announced,
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Speaker 2: but you know, fingers crossed, man, I would be very
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Speaker 2: excited about it. It'd be a big deal. We've been
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Speaker 2: talking about it since the pilot episode. Don't and off.
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Speaker 3: It's the boxing fight that has to be made. Even
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Speaker 3: the results are going to be the results, but that
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Speaker 3: is the fight that gets made, right, the money, the intrigue,
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Speaker 3: the legacies online. These are probably the two guys with
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Speaker 3: the profile they have that people really want to see. Hey,
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Speaker 3: if these two guys fight, what happens, So it has
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Speaker 3: to happen. But I'm glad we're hearing you talk of
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Speaker 3: it in January. It gives us hopefully eight months to
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Speaker 3: build up to the matchup, which is always good.
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Speaker 2: Right, and also rumors that Tank or sorry Tank Bud
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Speaker 2: Crawford will be back in the ring before that sometime
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Speaker 2: early this year. So let's see what happens there.
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Speaker 3: Nah, he shouldn't. Well, I'm not gonna tell him what
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Speaker 3: to do. He's far more accomplished and what he does.
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Speaker 3: But the only reason why I would advise against that
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Speaker 3: is because not because he would lose, because he wouldn't scheduling.
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Speaker 3: What he would lose to is more of the injury factor, Right.
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Speaker 3: You don't want to mess up a shoulder or a
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Speaker 3: hand or anything like that, and the next thing you know,
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Speaker 3: the September fights push back. You just never know how
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Speaker 3: thing's gonna happen. I think he'd be better off waiting
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Speaker 3: until sat terror By Again, I'm not you know, there's
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Speaker 3: more people involved in me, so we'll end up seeing
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Speaker 3: what's gonna happen.
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Speaker 2: Sure. The thing I'd be curious about is which weight
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Speaker 2: class if he does come back before that September fight, like,
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Speaker 2: who is he fighting somebody at his current class, somebody
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Speaker 2: closer to one sixty eight where Canelo is, Like, I don't.
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Speaker 2: I would be very curious to see what how that
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Speaker 2: would work out.
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Speaker 3: That's a good point because last fight was that one
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Speaker 3: fifty four.
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Speaker 2: Right, Uh, yes, I believe. So that's the first time
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Speaker 2: he moved up to fight Israel Metamov.
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Speaker 3: Yep, and it didn't look as domina as it looked
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Speaker 3: at previous fights when the weight was lower. So that's
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Speaker 3: a good point. That actually makes sense that he would
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Speaker 3: go to one sixty four, one sixty eight, see how
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Speaker 3: it goes, and then fight Canal, even though the Canalo
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Speaker 3: fight feels more like a cash out more than an
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Speaker 3: actual title fighter. That's a holder for discuss for a
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Speaker 3: different day.
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Speaker 2: Sure, sure, yeah, well yeah, well you know Figers Cross
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Speaker 2: it happens, We'll let you know when the official word
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Speaker 2: is out. So uh yeah, let's see what else he
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Speaker 2: got here in the gazette. Yeah, the fight between Tank
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Speaker 2: Davis and Lamont Roach appears to still be on for
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Speaker 2: March first, despite some weird thing that happened with Tank
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Speaker 2: posting on his Instagram story on Christmas Eve that the
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Speaker 2: fight was canceled. I don't think we ever got an
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Speaker 2: explanation as to what that was all about. It may
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Speaker 2: have been Tank just trolling. I don't know, but lamont
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Speaker 2: roach was immediate, like, hey, don't talk to me. I
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Speaker 2: didn't say that shit. I'm still preparing for the fight.
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Speaker 2: So I kind of want to throw this question off
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Speaker 2: spin off into this question, Well, how do you feel
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Speaker 2: about boxers talking shit and trolling on social media? I mean,
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Speaker 2: is it make it a little bit more exciting or
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Speaker 2: is it just too far? I don't know that. I
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Speaker 2: don't love it, but what do you think.
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Speaker 3: It's just what they do now. This is the albume
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Speaker 3: that's available, So that's what they do. That's what they know.
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Speaker 3: Tank is from the social media era, so that's what
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Speaker 3: he knows. Like back in the day, you went to
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Speaker 3: the paper the TV because that's all that was. So
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Speaker 3: that's all it is. There may have been some contract
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Speaker 3: details he may not have agreed with, so he may
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Speaker 3: have said, hey, I'll go out and try to cancel
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Speaker 3: the fight before y'all do this, this and that. That's
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Speaker 3: just a leverage place some guys try to hold. Everybody
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Speaker 3: does things differently. Tank is a very emotional guy. We
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Speaker 3: both know that we've seen things in and out the
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Speaker 3: ring that have showcased that, so you know, I'm not
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Speaker 3: really surprised it's boxing anything and everything's possible. I would
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Speaker 3: never under any circumstances rule anything out, but I do
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Speaker 3: think that fight does happen in March. I feel like
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Speaker 3: that that's going to happen. I saw in an LERB
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Speaker 3: and Tank both basically confirmed yesterday or earlier in the
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Speaker 3: week that it was going to take place, So yeah,
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Speaker 3: it feels like it's a done deal.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. I don't know. Maybe when there's a
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Speaker 2: fight on the line that's already scheduled, maybe guys shouldn't
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Speaker 2: get too mouthy on Instagram about things being canceled or
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Speaker 2: not happening, Like, stick with the damn plan, unless again,
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Speaker 2: there's like an injury or some very valid reason to
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Speaker 2: to not not make the fight happen. I mean, don't
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Speaker 2: don't don't jerk the fans around, is all I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: No, absolutely not. Tank is one of the few people
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Speaker 3: that people would travel well, I mean trally, either drive
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Speaker 3: more than four hours or fly to to go watch fight.
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Speaker 3: It's not a whole lot of casual slash average boxing
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Speaker 3: fans that would travel to go see someone. He's the
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Speaker 3: main guy outside of Canelo that people would actually travel
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Speaker 3: to and spend a weekend in the city to go
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Speaker 3: watch fight. He has to be active, he has to
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Speaker 3: he has to fight. If he does not fight, it's
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Speaker 3: not good for everybody involved.
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Speaker 2: Right, I think totally speaking, When I saw the Garcia
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Speaker 2: Tank fight at the Neighborhood downtown in Tucson, I was
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Speaker 2: actually surprised how many Tank fans were out. Yes, you
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Speaker 2: could tell when the introductions happened there were there was
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Speaker 2: more of a Garcia crowd, you know, Like I said,
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Speaker 2: a lot of Mexicans in Tucson, but there was a
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Speaker 2: pretty good amount of people there rooting for Tank, So
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Speaker 2: I myself included. Actually I was always rooty for Tank
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Speaker 2: for the d during that fight.
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Speaker 3: Now Tanks, I mean remember a lot of people watch
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Speaker 3: combat sport for the knockouts. They don't watch for the
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Speaker 3: technical side of them. Most people watch boxing for the
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Speaker 3: ko That's why some people prefer you have seen the boxing,
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Speaker 3: because you get you get knockouts early and often in
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Speaker 3: that sport. On boxing, there's people who love the KOs.
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Speaker 3: They want to see somebody get dropped, not see someone
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Speaker 3: to get out boxed, not to see someone get out technical.
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Speaker 3: They want to see somebody get dropped. So HENK does that.
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Speaker 3: He closed the show, and I think heard that and
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Speaker 3: from either hand too, so it's not like a one
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Speaker 3: trip ponent. He has equal power in both hands from
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Speaker 3: different angles, and I think that's what makes them special.
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Speaker 2: Agreed. Uh, speaking of fighters getting injured and knockout artists coincidentally, next,
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Speaker 2: I'm actually drinking a Supporo beer from Japan because I'm
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Speaker 2: excited that Friday, January twenty fourth is the return of
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Speaker 2: now Yeah in a way. A Japanese boxer nicknamed the
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Speaker 2: Monster you Know is you know? It's twenty eight to
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Speaker 2: oh with twenty five of those wins by knockout, so
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Speaker 2: like Tanka knockout artists. He was scheduled to fight a
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Speaker 2: a kriiky guy named Sam Goodman on Christmas Eve, but
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Speaker 2: that was pushed back to the Goodman being injured. Turns
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Speaker 2: out he can't make the fight at all, so he
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Speaker 2: was replaced with a Korean fighter named Yeay Jim Kim Jamison.
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Speaker 2: Are you familiar with now Yeah you know?
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Speaker 3: And have you watched the name of his fights? Very
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Speaker 3: familiar with it. I don't watch them live. That's just
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Speaker 3: what I was gonna do at four am and five am.
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Speaker 3: I value my sleep. It's not a whole lot of things.
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Speaker 3: I wake up and that time of the day four
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Speaker 3: so I value my sleep. I don't watch them live.
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Speaker 3: I end up catching him a little later on that
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Speaker 3: day or something later that weekend. But I can't do
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Speaker 3: the three am call times. I can't do it. I'm sorry.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean for our times that I think he
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Speaker 2: at four am for the main event, mind you, even
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Speaker 2: like the things before. Now, I'm with you. Depending on
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Speaker 2: daylight saving times, maybe in the East Coast central people
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Speaker 2: can catch you at six or seven, so if you're
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Speaker 2: an early bird, you can put on a coffee pot
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Speaker 2: watch the NU fight.
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Speaker 3: But exactly that one's fine, that that could work. I
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Speaker 3: can't three am, bro nah that no, no, well.
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Speaker 2: I can't do the sixer. I probably would be more
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Speaker 2: likely to do the three or four if I'm already
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Speaker 2: awake drinking like from the night before. Honestly I might that,
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Speaker 2: but for you know, in a ways an excellent fighter
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Speaker 2: one of the four people who is undisputed in two
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Speaker 2: different weight classes. Boxing fanatics know him, but maybe more
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Speaker 2: casual fans don't, and I think it is because of
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Speaker 2: the time zone of the fights, to be quite honest
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Speaker 2: with you, So if y'all have ESPN Plus, you can
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Speaker 2: watch the replace and you should.
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Speaker 3: You definitely should. Also the weight class as well. The
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Speaker 3: weight class that thing has something to do with it,
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Speaker 3: but it's mainly the time that his fights are on.
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Speaker 3: It's hard getting Americans to watch something outside of the
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Speaker 3: normal time slots. It's very difficult, right, Like you give people
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Speaker 3: to stay up late on regular nights to watch regular
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Speaker 3: programming is tough, let alone watching a boxer waking up
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Speaker 3: super early. We don't have to very tough thing to
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Speaker 3: do so. But your correct ESPN Plus does have all
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Speaker 3: the fights on there, so you could definitely watch it
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Speaker 3: at your leisure.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and also be careful which fight you're watching because now, yeah,
9:51
Speaker 2: Inoa has a brother named Takuma in Oa, and I
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Speaker 2: don't know anything about that guy, so make sure you're
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Speaker 2: watching the right the right in a way. But yeah,
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Speaker 2: definitely strong recom and on now you know his fights,
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Speaker 2: like the guy's The guy's great, and yeah, if you
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Speaker 2: like Ko's he is very unlikely to disappoint right, Leslie.
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Speaker 2: I don't really have much to say about the fact
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Speaker 2: that Tyson Fury said he's retiring again other than let's
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Speaker 2: see if he actually means it this time. Do you
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Speaker 2: have any opinions thoughts on this.
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Speaker 3: I believe he's done because he's made the money. I
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Speaker 3: don't think he wants to stay in boxing shape. You
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Speaker 3: can kind of tell by the fights how the last
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Speaker 3: two fights have looked. The conditioning was a factor in
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Speaker 3: both of those fights. You could tell that he doesn't
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Speaker 3: want to be in tip top shape to perform at
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Speaker 3: his best. Even when he was at his best at
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Speaker 3: times he was in the best shape. You can tell
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Speaker 3: that he's not interested in doing that anymore. He's made
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Speaker 3: his money, he has his legacy, and he's ready to
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Speaker 3: move on. You know, he had a good run. Very
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Speaker 3: odd guy, very odd when you think of you know, fighters,
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Speaker 3: very odd and different. But you know he did what
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Speaker 3: he did and his what of his the.
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Speaker 4: Trilogy with or Yeah, it was interesting because the first
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Speaker 4: one was a draw, right, could went either way, and
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Speaker 4: I was like six years ago, but I could went
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Speaker 4: either way.
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Speaker 3: But the last two man man career career changing bouts
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Speaker 3: for both guys career changing and career finding bouts for both.
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Speaker 2: I think Fury Wilder three is probably the most recent
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Speaker 2: fight I saw that everybody knew about it, even if
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Speaker 2: you weren't like much of a boxing fan. It was everywhere.
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Speaker 2: Everybody played it. I saw it in the movie theater.
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Speaker 2: I mean I was. I was grilled that kind of
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Speaker 2: excitement for boxing was happening, and you know, I hope
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Speaker 2: that it continues with big fights like that. But yeah,
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Speaker 2: that was uh and it was a great fight. You know,
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Speaker 2: I would have preferred that Deontae took it, but I
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Speaker 2: think both of them they had their moments. Both of
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Speaker 2: them got knocked down and got back up throughout the fight,
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Speaker 2: so it was it was excellent.
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Speaker 3: I wish Wilder had a different corner and had different
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Speaker 3: training because he was so raw and his corners didn't
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Speaker 3: help him out a whole lot. Min fights like the
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Speaker 3: instruction with lot along with the training, always felt that
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Speaker 3: he was fighting just off for all talent. He didn't
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Speaker 3: have great management with him when it came to the
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Speaker 3: boxing part. It felt like they got to a certain level.
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Speaker 3: But if he ever fought somebody was just as talented,
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Speaker 3: it was never gonna work out, right, because the adjustments
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Speaker 3: were never there. He didn't have a great boxing feel. Obviously,
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Speaker 3: he had the nuclear weapon, which worked a lot in
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Speaker 3: his favor, but in terms of the actual boxing skill set,
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Speaker 3: it really wasn't quite there and it never got to
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Speaker 3: where it needed to be to fight elite, elite guys unfortunately.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is a good demonstration of how
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Speaker 2: somebody can be a good fighter, not that great of
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Speaker 2: a boxer. There is a difference.
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, absolutely, he's definitely one of those guys. However,
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Speaker 3: I will say for some of that started so late
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Speaker 3: in the game, because most boxers started as a child
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Speaker 3: or in their adolescent years. For something I started so late.
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Speaker 3: To get to where he got to it is a
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Speaker 3: huge plus. However, I felt that his corners, his his
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Speaker 3: team overall kind of let him down. It felt like
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Speaker 3: he was he built like a basketball player instead of
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Speaker 3: like a boxer. You shouldn't be six six to fifteen.
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Speaker 3: That ain't gonna work, bro, You're not here, You're not
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Speaker 3: three the guy in the NBA. You're not here shooting threes.
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Speaker 3: He needed to be able to. Now, his course would
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Speaker 3: have been a lot more stronger, and he could use
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Speaker 3: athleticism better in my eyes. But again, I'm just a fan.
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Speaker 3: I'm just an observer that knows a lot of people
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Speaker 3: who enjoyed boxing, like yourself. So who are we.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. So anyway, at the end of that, we wish,
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Speaker 2: we wish both Fury and Well do the best, and
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Speaker 2: uh I T Fury. I will not watch season of
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Speaker 2: that reality show if you go back to it. Sorry,
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Speaker 2: defintely definitely all right, So that's on the news for now.
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Speaker 2: You know, we always like to keep that short, but
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Speaker 2: we're gonna try something a little different for the rest
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Speaker 2: of this episode. You know, the goal of this show
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Speaker 2: was always to have barber shop style conversation about boxing,
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Speaker 2: and I don't think it always has to be timely.
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Speaker 2: You know, we don't discuss every single fight coming up
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Speaker 2: or review every single fight that happens. In between episodes,
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Speaker 2: if you've listened before, we usually have a segment called
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Speaker 2: pop Pugilism, where we discuss a movie or TV show
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Speaker 2: about boxing. So today I wanted to expand that into
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Speaker 2: a bigger discussion because we're talking about a documentary for
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Speaker 2: the first time in the show's history. It's called Unforgivable Blackness.
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Speaker 2: The Rise and Fall of Jack Johnson from two thousand
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Speaker 2: and four, directed by Ken Burns. It's a two part
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Speaker 2: BBS documentary about another hometown hero of mine, Jack Johnson,
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Speaker 2: who was born in Galveston, Texas in eighteen seventy eight,
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Speaker 2: So I'm from Houston. The film is narrated beautifully by
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Speaker 2: Keith David Jack Johnson's war eight at eighteen? Did I
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Speaker 2: sa ninety seventy eight? Sorry? Sorry, sometimes I drink he
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Speaker 2: was born in eighteen seventy eight, but yeah, film narrated
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Speaker 2: by Keith David. Jack Johnson's own words are read by
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Speaker 2: Samuel L. Jackson, which rules heard several other voices I recognized,
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Speaker 2: like Jeffrey Wright and Harris and Alan Rickman mister McLean, quick,
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Speaker 2: quick thing. To get a started on this, Jack Johnson
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Speaker 2: was the first black man to win the world heavyweight championship,
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Speaker 2: and I think he's just not just an important figure
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Speaker 2: in boxing history but also American history. But before we
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Speaker 2: get into some more details about the men, jameson, did
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Speaker 2: you get a chance to watch the three hours and
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Speaker 2: forty minutes or so of this film?
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Speaker 3: So I did watch it. I've seen it before, so
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Speaker 3: that was the first that stuck out I did watch it. However, Man,
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Speaker 3: it feels like he's the first boxer that we actually
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Speaker 3: knew about, right. I know, they had a bunch of
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Speaker 3: guys in eighteen hundreds, I know the different rules and whatnot,
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Speaker 3: But it felt like he's the first box that kind
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Speaker 3: of fittle out of the stereotypes of boxers, Like he
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Speaker 3: likes women a lot, and he was liked cars, and
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Speaker 3: you know, he was very big on like getting as
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Speaker 3: much money as possible and whatnot. You know, he had
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Speaker 3: to go to different states to fight, like certain states
16:02
Speaker 3: with Love and fight like California with London fight one time,
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Speaker 3: you know. So it was very interesting, Like it was
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Speaker 3: very fascinating. You see some of the stuff that happened
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Speaker 3: one hundred plus years later, it's like, ah, this is
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Speaker 3: where all started from. Man, It's it's tough because things
16:18
Speaker 3: were so different back then, and he was obviously so
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Speaker 3: naturally talented and better than most, but boxing and sports
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Speaker 3: back then was so corrupt and so everything, So it
16:29
Speaker 3: was so hard to kind of take note of what
16:33
Speaker 3: everything was back then because it wasn't on the same scale.
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Speaker 3: It was a lot different back then. But I'm glad
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Speaker 3: they did at least focus on how great he was
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Speaker 3: when he had his run, right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, definitely check out this this documentary. It's
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Speaker 2: a like I said, a PPS documentary. It is kind
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Speaker 2: of dry. It is split in two parts so you can,
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Speaker 2: you know, watch it at your leisure, but it's fascinating
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Speaker 2: and let's not miss words. Then, you know, this is
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Speaker 2: the time when black men were not allowed to fight
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Speaker 2: for the heavyweight title that was the domain of white men.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't a matter of you know, just of course
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Speaker 2: that white fighters and spectators didn't think that black fighters
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Speaker 2: were good enough, correct, But it's not just that, it's
17:14
Speaker 2: that they didn't think they even deserve the right to
17:17
Speaker 2: challenge for it. This is the heavyweight championship was one
17:21
Speaker 2: of the most prominent championships in the world. Everybody knew
17:24
Speaker 2: about it. Everybody knew that the heavyweight fighter at the
17:26
Speaker 2: time the heavyweight champs. So this just wasn't anything that
17:32
Speaker 2: black men were allowed to compete for. They were allowed
17:34
Speaker 2: to fight another weight classes. But here's something for you,
17:38
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit of a tangent. So I grew
17:41
Speaker 2: up you know, Hulusa Chavs fan, and even as an adult,
17:45
Speaker 2: you know, I focus on the little guys the lower
17:47
Speaker 2: weight classes. But I've noticed that people really have they
17:51
Speaker 2: put a lot of stock in the heavyweight championship, the
17:53
Speaker 2: heavyweight division, especially if you grew up a Tyson fan.
17:56
Speaker 2: Do you think personally, Jameson, that's sort of like a
17:58
Speaker 2: different level of importance in the boxing world, the heavyweight
18:02
Speaker 2: championship versus the other weight classes.
18:04
Speaker 3: So you mentioned about five minutes ago when you said
18:07
Speaker 3: Fury wild or three, everybody knew about it. And the
18:10
Speaker 3: reason why that is is because whoever the heavyweight champion
18:13
Speaker 3: of the world is he was the baddest person on
18:15
Speaker 3: the planet. That's why, because that if you're headweight's the
18:19
Speaker 3: cream of the crop position with all our division, with
18:21
Speaker 3: all due respect to all the divisions out there and
18:24
Speaker 3: all of the fighters, there's an amazing heavyweight. That person
18:28
Speaker 3: is getting all the clicks, all the views. He's the biggest,
18:31
Speaker 3: He's the baddest person out there. If it has to
18:33
Speaker 3: be knocked, folks out, if you have what that's dropping, folks,
18:36
Speaker 3: you are the badst man on the planet and it's
18:38
Speaker 3: your world and we're just living in it. That's just
18:40
Speaker 3: how it goes. So that being said, like you mentioned
18:43
Speaker 3: Starry with Jack Johnson, He's he was the first like
18:46
Speaker 3: basically superstar type boxer of his era. Like when you
18:50
Speaker 3: think about like that, they mentioned like people coming in
18:53
Speaker 3: via light train and all that kind of stuff to
18:55
Speaker 3: watch them fight and all that will depress and meet
18:58
Speaker 3: all that for what that was in that era. Yeah,
19:00
Speaker 3: like it was huge news and that just transferred to
19:04
Speaker 3: all the other graids after that. That's just how it is.
19:06
Speaker 3: But the heavweight division, unfortunately, we've gotten away from that
19:09
Speaker 3: over the last really thirty years when you think about it.
19:13
Speaker 3: But yeah, if we if we ever have an America
19:16
Speaker 3: haveaweight again that can really throw punches and that can
19:19
Speaker 3: really fight, watch out you will see box and get
19:22
Speaker 3: a rebirth in this country like no other.
19:25
Speaker 2: That's fair. Yeah, going back to our history chat, Yeah,
19:30
Speaker 2: this is the early nineteen hundreds.
19:31
Speaker 3: You know.
19:32
Speaker 2: Jack Johnson was born eighteen seventy eight, and I got
19:34
Speaker 2: it right this time. Slavery had only just been a
19:38
Speaker 2: busch in eighteen sixty five. His parents were slaves, so
19:41
Speaker 2: it wasn't like today when white folks have to find
19:43
Speaker 2: coded words to explain why they don't fuck with certain fighters,
19:45
Speaker 2: like someone says, oh, they want to support the American fighters,
19:49
Speaker 2: which is fine whatever, But all of a sudden there's
19:51
Speaker 2: like a black American fighter against say, like a white
19:53
Speaker 2: British dude, and they backed to the white guy because
19:55
Speaker 2: the black fighter is quote arrogant or they don't like
19:58
Speaker 2: his style. Right, No, nothing, nothing will make a patriot
20:02
Speaker 2: turned against his own country fast and seeing it represented
20:04
Speaker 2: by black or brown guy. But back then, yeah, they didn't.
20:09
Speaker 2: They didn't have any coded words. They were straight up
20:11
Speaker 2: saying in the papers, the jack doesn't winning the championship
20:15
Speaker 2: would be detrimental to white supremacy. They did not want
20:17
Speaker 2: this guy anywhere near a ring against the heavy way champ.
20:20
Speaker 3: All of you one better. They there was no pr
20:24
Speaker 3: back then, there was no There was no soft language.
20:28
Speaker 3: They fled out called them a negro and that's just
20:31
Speaker 3: what it was. It wasn't no other and it wasn't
20:33
Speaker 3: not no, it wasn't no African American black. He was
20:36
Speaker 3: a Negro man. It was. It was worse than that.
20:38
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was nothing. But also they made things
20:42
Speaker 3: extremely difficult for him. Right. So it's one thing in
20:46
Speaker 3: the fight and when that's fine, but everything else was difficult.
20:49
Speaker 3: If he got into any kind of trouble. It was
20:52
Speaker 3: like max sentences or he had to pay the max
20:54
Speaker 3: fine himount, you know, all those kind of things. So
20:57
Speaker 3: it was it was deeper than just the the the words.
21:00
Speaker 3: It was the treatment, and it basically said, hey, if
21:03
Speaker 3: you're going to fight, be everybody up, well we're going
21:05
Speaker 3: to beat you up when we get a chance to.
21:07
Speaker 3: And that's they did. So yeah, it was quite fascinating.
21:11
Speaker 3: But also it's always good to see where boxers get
21:16
Speaker 3: things from. Right, you can tell, Okay, this guy kind
21:19
Speaker 3: of lives a life for what he was in that era.
21:22
Speaker 3: You know, he felt himself he was the best, you know,
21:25
Speaker 3: due to that era, and he lives it up as
21:27
Speaker 3: much as he could. Even though the money was nowhere
21:29
Speaker 3: near that it probably should have been.
21:32
Speaker 2: It was still way more than you expected any black
21:35
Speaker 2: fighter to have.
21:36
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah.
21:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he he did not give a fuck,
21:40
Speaker 2: but anybody thought, you know, he he proved himself to
21:43
Speaker 2: be the best. He fought his way up. He fought
21:45
Speaker 2: every former heavyweight championship just to a champion, just to
21:50
Speaker 2: kind of show I want to shot at the title
21:52
Speaker 2: at the time. Let's see nineteen Oh oh, sorry, I
21:57
Speaker 2: got a lot of notes in this guy because there's
21:58
Speaker 2: a lot going on. Early nineteen hundreds, Jim Jeffers was
22:02
Speaker 2: the champ refused to fight Jack Johnson said I would
22:04
Speaker 2: rather retire like the coward he was than fight him. Eventually,
22:10
Speaker 2: Jack Johnson followed a guy named Tommy Burns around the
22:12
Speaker 2: world for two years, taunting him, calling him whatever the
22:16
Speaker 2: nineteen hundreds equivalent of a bitch ass coward was for
22:18
Speaker 2: not agreeing to fight him. So eventually Jack Johnsons showed
22:23
Speaker 2: with pure skill like that he wasn't just like doing
22:27
Speaker 2: this because he just wanted to shut He wanted to
22:30
Speaker 2: be a contender. He proved that he was a bad ass.
22:34
Speaker 2: Mfort don't know, way centser that because we're supposed to
22:37
Speaker 2: a bad ass motherfucker. Eventually, Tommy Burns dig go ahead, good.
22:41
Speaker 3: No, he definitely was, And unfortunately he didn't have the
22:45
Speaker 3: structure that we do today because obviously back then everything
22:49
Speaker 3: was way different. There was no structure, and no one
22:52
Speaker 3: was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
22:54
Speaker 3: No one was really willing to make sure he got
22:57
Speaker 3: the best offer possible. It was basically say here, take
23:00
Speaker 3: this and live with it type of thing, instead of hey,
23:03
Speaker 3: we're going to do whatever is possible for you to
23:05
Speaker 3: make things better for you. So for his situation, it
23:10
Speaker 3: kind of sucks because he doesn't get talked about as
23:12
Speaker 3: much and his dominance and his his reign should be
23:17
Speaker 3: celebrated a lot more than it actually gets brought up.
23:21
Speaker 2: And that's that his style too. He was one of
23:23
Speaker 2: the early people who adopted the modern style of boxing,
23:26
Speaker 2: not just brawlin, not just throwing bombs. You know, he
23:28
Speaker 2: was counterpunching, he was dodging, he was holding, you know,
23:31
Speaker 2: things that we associated with box today. He was one
23:34
Speaker 2: of the early fighters to do all that. And of course,
23:37
Speaker 2: you know, the paper said that he he didn't actually
23:39
Speaker 2: want to fight because he was lazy, because he because
23:41
Speaker 2: he just was a coward, et cetera. You know, they
23:43
Speaker 2: didn't give him any credit for being a smart, talented fighter.
23:47
Speaker 2: It was always a negative and any thing he did
23:48
Speaker 2: was a negative.
23:49
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, and as well as it wasn't just he
23:54
Speaker 3: was loud and arrogant too, So it's not like he's
23:58
Speaker 3: he's talented. He lets you know what it was. He
24:00
Speaker 3: wasn't really humble with his talents, and a lot of
24:03
Speaker 3: people to this day cannot stand that.
24:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. I found what I screwed up earlier.
24:10
Speaker 2: Jim Jeffries had the belt in eighteen ninety nine.
24:13
Speaker 3: Jack Johnson kept.
24:14
Speaker 2: Challenging him, but he refused to find Johnson, so he
24:17
Speaker 2: retired in nineteen o five, as I said, like a coward.
24:20
Speaker 2: So that's gonna be relevant for a little bit later
24:22
Speaker 2: in the discussion. But yeah, he finally fought Tommy Burns.
24:27
Speaker 2: It was a match that was set up. Do you
24:30
Speaker 2: know who set up this match? The name of the.
24:32
Speaker 3: Guy who what was the name again.
24:36
Speaker 2: Hugh Huge Deals macintosh. Oh wow, yeah, it's another another
24:42
Speaker 2: cracky guy if his name is Hugh Donald McIntosh, but
24:44
Speaker 2: his nickname was Huge Deals. So this man agreed to
24:49
Speaker 2: put up thirty thousand dollars yep, yep, yeah to promote
24:52
Speaker 2: the fight in Australia in nineteen oh eight for twenty rounds,
24:56
Speaker 2: which is wild all right.
24:58
Speaker 3: So that was the part that got me watching it, right,
25:00
Speaker 3: the amount of rounds that they used to fight back
25:02
Speaker 3: and then like that was crazy. But also if you
25:04
Speaker 3: look at the tapes of the footage that they had,
25:07
Speaker 3: you didn't see a lot of movement either, right, So
25:09
Speaker 3: you didn't see guy bouncing around the ring like we
25:11
Speaker 3: do now. It was kind of just sit and then
25:14
Speaker 3: punch or two here or there. It wasn't you know,
25:17
Speaker 3: hit hit move, hit hit move. It was none of that.
25:20
Speaker 3: But that's crazy. And they fought outside a lot. They
25:23
Speaker 3: was fighting outdoors in the elements and in the heat,
25:27
Speaker 3: like he was fighting Cuba and stuff like that, ain't it.
25:31
Speaker 2: That's the thing now? You know, you go, you can
25:32
Speaker 2: join a boxing gym that's indoors. You know, if you're
25:34
Speaker 2: a professional fighter, you're fighting in Vegas in an arena
25:37
Speaker 2: like there's eight air conditioning.
25:38
Speaker 3: My god, even if you fighting that Carson a stub
25:42
Speaker 3: hub or whatever it's called now, and they have a
25:44
Speaker 3: tent over the ring, so you're not just in the elements.
25:47
Speaker 3: They was literally the sun was beaming on them when
25:50
Speaker 3: they fought outside like they was in the elements. I
25:53
Speaker 3: cannot imagine that. I could imagine fighting outside in the hot,
25:59
Speaker 3: hot heat, how that part of the day. And you
26:01
Speaker 3: fight in a twenty plus round fight. That's crazy to me.
26:05
Speaker 2: Yeah. The thing that got me that I found really
26:06
Speaker 2: interesting is that fights were twenty rounds and that sometimes
26:10
Speaker 2: the fighters would try to extend them so that the
26:12
Speaker 2: fights could be replayed in movie theaters and then they
26:14
Speaker 2: would get a portion of the profits. I thought that
26:16
Speaker 2: was really interesting factor. I think we should get back
26:19
Speaker 2: to more fights being played in movie theaters.
26:21
Speaker 3: Honestly, you gotta be oh, that's the thing. You gotta
26:24
Speaker 3: have the demand, and there's not like I've been asked
26:27
Speaker 3: people since the news broke of Profert Canelo that there's
26:30
Speaker 3: probably a fight. I was like, who else would you
26:33
Speaker 3: literally make a trip to go see? And I'm not
26:36
Speaker 3: gonna say you got a fly across the country. Most
26:38
Speaker 3: of these people live either in Phoenix or in la
26:40
Speaker 3: or somewhere in California. I'm like, hey, would you travel
26:44
Speaker 3: an hour to go see such as something? They're like nope.
26:47
Speaker 3: I ran off like five different box like nope, nope, nope.
26:50
Speaker 3: And that's the problem. We got to get to the
26:52
Speaker 3: point where we got big fights that the masses want
26:55
Speaker 3: to see. Until then we're gonna be stuck with ESPN
26:58
Speaker 3: plus links.
26:59
Speaker 2: You know. Let's see, I got a little note for
27:03
Speaker 2: a producer here. Thirty thousand dollars in nineteen o eight
27:06
Speaker 2: was worth one seven hundred and eighty one dollars and
27:10
Speaker 2: fifty two cents. You can't forget about the two cents today,
27:14
Speaker 2: And that's what the hell would somebody even do with
27:17
Speaker 2: a million dollars back then, when like everything was a nickel,
27:20
Speaker 2: like a meal was a quarter.
27:21
Speaker 3: My god, I mean so you, I mean, if you
27:23
Speaker 3: have that kind of money, you was able to build
27:25
Speaker 3: whatever you wanted to build, right, You could have built
27:27
Speaker 3: a stadium, you could have built a bunch of houses,
27:29
Speaker 3: you could have bought a franchise back then, all that
27:32
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. You could have showed whatever you wanted
27:34
Speaker 3: to what. It was just such back then there was
27:37
Speaker 3: no middle class. You're either really rich or you were
27:39
Speaker 3: really poor. There was no in between.
27:42
Speaker 2: Well, Jack don't spend his money on fast cars, and
27:44
Speaker 2: he liked building cars and uh fixing them up, So
27:47
Speaker 2: that's where a lot of that money went. And women, Yes,
27:49
Speaker 2: to see, I love the company of.
27:50
Speaker 3: Now they are white women for the most parts. So yeah, he.
27:54
Speaker 2: Loved the company of not just not just women, also prostitutes,
27:57
Speaker 2: also white women, which is you could.
28:02
Speaker 3: Was that white women which were also prostituted also Yeah.
28:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, supposedly he was married twice to black women, but
28:11
Speaker 2: there was no documentation, like there's no actual record anywhere.
28:14
Speaker 2: So he had three documented marriages to white women, and
28:19
Speaker 2: he specifically said his experiences with those first two or
28:21
Speaker 2: the reason why he would only seek the company of
28:23
Speaker 2: white women after that. But because you can imagine, at
28:26
Speaker 2: the time, this drove you know, the the racist white
28:29
Speaker 2: population fucking nuts. He was, you know, made to look
28:35
Speaker 2: at to be made to be a villain and you know,
28:38
Speaker 2: vile person and this culture of you know, white supremacy
28:41
Speaker 2: that he was. You know, he was stealing white women,
28:44
Speaker 2: et cetera. And people were not shy about this. Like
28:46
Speaker 2: I said, back then, don't think they were. In this
28:48
Speaker 2: modern time where people got to be a little sneaky
28:50
Speaker 2: about it. People put that shit out there very clearly,
28:53
Speaker 2: newspapers and the press everything.
28:56
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, no, it was no games people, man,
29:00
Speaker 3: Look at people still deal with problems like that today.
29:03
Speaker 3: They start issued back today. So imagine one hundred and
29:06
Speaker 3: twenty five years ago what it was. Yeah, you know
29:09
Speaker 3: what I mean. So yeah, and he's also a big
29:12
Speaker 3: black dude knocking white dudes out. So it's not like, oh,
29:16
Speaker 3: he's beating up up but no, he's destroying other white
29:19
Speaker 3: guys in the ring in front of thousands of people.
29:23
Speaker 2: Right going back to his fight in Australia against Tommy
29:26
Speaker 2: Burns Kraky Country. The fight was scheduled for twenty rounds.
29:29
Speaker 2: The fight was stopped by the cops in fourteen rounds
29:32
Speaker 2: when it was clear that Johnson was trouncing Burns. The
29:34
Speaker 2: cops even forcibly stopped the cameras from filming the fight
29:37
Speaker 2: so there wouldn't exist film of white man being knocked
29:39
Speaker 2: out by a black man.
29:40
Speaker 3: So right, and oh that don't know a history Australia
29:44
Speaker 3: was worse than the US back Yeah he'll oun great now,
29:49
Speaker 3: yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, but true.
29:54
Speaker 2: Despite the fighting stuff, he did get the heavyweight belt
29:56
Speaker 2: from a Hugh huge deals McIntosh, who was the referee
29:59
Speaker 2: for the fight. Because I guess that's what thirty k
30:01
Speaker 2: buys you. You know what, if we don't see a
30:05
Speaker 2: modern fight refereed by that Saudi royal dude turkela chic,
30:08
Speaker 2: I wanna be so disappointed in him.
30:11
Speaker 4: Man.
30:13
Speaker 3: Honestly, we need to spend more time on that cat.
30:15
Speaker 3: That's a whole different thing. I'm very curiously how that
30:18
Speaker 3: plays out. Gets a lot of money in play, but
30:20
Speaker 3: it feels like it could be better allocated instead of
30:25
Speaker 3: chasing the big fights. I think we should have better cards. Right,
30:28
Speaker 3: So obviously the Sheik is throwing a bunch of money around,
30:31
Speaker 3: which is fine, it's good. But I'd rather have more
30:35
Speaker 3: balanced weeknight or weekends than just having one great car
30:41
Speaker 3: every six months or every single I'd rather have once
30:45
Speaker 3: every three weeks a really solid card with a lot
30:48
Speaker 3: of dope boxing rather than you know, just oh, we
30:51
Speaker 3: got a surprise every six months.
30:54
Speaker 2: I'm with you, and we talked about that before. I
30:56
Speaker 2: think we can say that's like an official stance of
30:58
Speaker 2: this show is more fights, not necessarily a big name
31:01
Speaker 2: yet every three months, four months, et cetera. Just get
31:04
Speaker 2: more people involved than like I said before, the kids.
31:06
Speaker 2: You got to get the kids involved.
31:08
Speaker 3: Kids. We also got get the average person, the average adult,
31:13
Speaker 3: to tune in. When you mentioned Wilder Fury three, you
31:18
Speaker 3: were absolutely correct. The average person was like, oh, I've
31:22
Speaker 3: heard of this before, I've checked even the second fight.
31:25
Speaker 3: The second fight was huge, Saconde was huge. What people
31:29
Speaker 3: checked in because it was talked about it was heavyweight.
31:33
Speaker 3: How to fight you had an American versus a foreigner.
31:36
Speaker 3: There's a lot of different avenues that went. You had
31:38
Speaker 3: black and white, so there's a lot there, But again,
31:41
Speaker 3: we need more of that and until we get more
31:44
Speaker 3: consistent fights, so the autprosos could learn these fighters, we're
31:48
Speaker 3: kind of kind of in the same boat.
31:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, So back to history, as you can imagine. You know,
31:55
Speaker 2: white people weren't very happy with Jack Johnson when he
31:58
Speaker 2: beat Tommy Burns. If y'all went to school, you may
32:00
Speaker 2: know the writer Jack Lennon who wrote the book White Fang,
32:02
Speaker 2: Emphasis on the White He was a racist piece of shit,
32:05
Speaker 2: just straight up. He had solidarity with the working class,
32:08
Speaker 2: but only if they were white. He referred to Asian
32:10
Speaker 2: immigration as the yellow peril. He was the supporter of eugenics.
32:14
Speaker 2: He was the person who said a quote great white
32:16
Speaker 2: hope was needed to defeat Jack Johnson because and I
32:19
Speaker 2: quote again, the white man must be rescued. Again. They
32:22
Speaker 2: weren't shy about this stuff. There's I got right here.
32:27
Speaker 2: I got my notes. A quote from the New York Times.
32:29
Speaker 2: If the black man wins, thousands and thousands of his
32:32
Speaker 2: ignorant brothers will misinterpret his victory as justifying claims to
32:36
Speaker 2: much more than mere physical equality with their white neighbors,
32:41
Speaker 2: which is to say, you know, these folks are gonna
32:46
Speaker 2: get really cocky and think that, you know, yeah, this
32:48
Speaker 2: guy's physically equal to another fighter, but they might get
32:52
Speaker 2: it in their heads that they're equal as well to
32:54
Speaker 2: other white people, and we can't have that right, not back.
32:56
Speaker 3: Then, Jesus, Once you fear someone, you will make up
33:03
Speaker 3: anything in your mind to justify that fear. Yeah.
33:07
Speaker 2: I think, honestly, I think this idea of a great
33:10
Speaker 2: white home in boxing lives to this day. It really does.
33:13
Speaker 2: To this day. People really don't like the white sorry,
33:16
Speaker 2: white sport fans really don't like the idea of black champions,
33:21
Speaker 2: and I think they still have that that mindset of,
33:24
Speaker 2: you know, there's got to be a white guy to
33:26
Speaker 2: take over the championship, the big fights. You know, maybe sure,
33:30
Speaker 2: maybe not with all of them. I'm not going to
33:31
Speaker 2: say that, but that exists to this day.
33:34
Speaker 3: Isn't that why Rocky was created?
33:36
Speaker 2: It's absolutely Uh do you do you know actually who
33:41
Speaker 2: Rocky was based on?
33:42
Speaker 3: No?
33:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a does a guy named Chuck Webner?
33:47
Speaker 2: Does that sound familiar? Uh? No, I'm sure yeah, I'm
33:50
Speaker 2: sure all the listeners are like, oh, Chuck Webinar. Everybody
33:53
Speaker 2: everybody knows that guy. Yeah, so so Rocky fights Paula Creed,
33:58
Speaker 2: who is very clearly based on Muhammad a later right,
34:01
Speaker 2: and but Rocky himself was based on Chuck Weptter, who
34:04
Speaker 2: his claim to fame was he fought Muhammad Muhammad Ali
34:07
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy five, knocked Alee down once in the
34:10
Speaker 2: ninth round, then got totally out boxed by Ali for
34:13
Speaker 2: the rest of the fight. Right Wepner almost finished all
34:16
Speaker 2: fifteen rounds, almost Ali knocked him out with nineteen seconds left.
34:20
Speaker 2: And apparently that dude who almost finished the fight was
34:23
Speaker 2: what inspired Stallone to write his movie. There was actually
34:26
Speaker 2: a movie in twenty sixteen about this guy called Chuck,
34:29
Speaker 2: and another movie in twenty nineteen about him called The Brawler.
34:32
Speaker 2: Why the fuck would this guy have? Technically three movies
34:34
Speaker 2: had a documentary about him.
34:35
Speaker 3: Said it, We've been chasing the great white hype, great
34:39
Speaker 3: white hope forever. We've been chasing that forever. That's just
34:42
Speaker 3: how it is. But also the amount of money that
34:45
Speaker 3: goes into that, if you have a successful American boxer,
34:48
Speaker 3: the amount of marketing dollars, the amount of things that
34:51
Speaker 3: all with that is on parallel. So that's the reason why, however,
34:55
Speaker 3: you don't have a lot of white boxers anymore. It
34:58
Speaker 3: just doesn't quite happened. They moved to the UFC area.
35:03
Speaker 2: Right I think?
35:05
Speaker 3: So.
35:06
Speaker 2: Well, just one more thing about Rocky. You know, look,
35:10
Speaker 2: it is a good movie. I still hold that it's
35:13
Speaker 2: not good enough to have the reputation in popularity that
35:16
Speaker 2: it does, and it does because it's mostly about a
35:18
Speaker 2: white fighter who's the underdog against uh Muhammed Ali type character.
35:23
Speaker 3: You know, the Rocky statue in Philly before they had
35:27
Speaker 3: a joke Fraser.
35:28
Speaker 2: One that guy isn't even real. I went to Philly
35:33
Speaker 2: and I refused to go see it also because I
35:36
Speaker 2: didn't want to go to that museum. What was it,
35:38
Speaker 2: like the Museum of ardor or something like that. Yeah, no,
35:41
Speaker 2: it's yeah. They people wanted this great white hope so bad,
35:45
Speaker 2: even in the era of when Rocky came out, that
35:48
Speaker 2: they made this, you know, the biggest thing in the
35:49
Speaker 2: world based on some guy who almost finished a fight
35:53
Speaker 2: against Ali. You know, all of this just LEDs up
35:55
Speaker 2: to the to the racial resentment. You know, this still
35:58
Speaker 2: exists in combat sports today. And yeah, you said it.
36:01
Speaker 2: People moved to UFC because there's there's a lot of
36:04
Speaker 2: white guys there who have their claim to fame in UFC.
36:07
Speaker 3: And they feel that they have a better chance. Right,
36:11
Speaker 3: there's more things involved. There's wrestling, there's jiu jitsu, there's
36:16
Speaker 3: still boxing involved in UC, but there's more things in
36:19
Speaker 3: corporate that they feel have that chance at. But the
36:22
Speaker 3: wide American boxer is kind of gone, like it's not
36:26
Speaker 3: it's not really prevalent anymore. Like even fifteen years ago,
36:29
Speaker 3: we had a couple here and there, but the wide
36:31
Speaker 3: American eye that just boxes Nah.
36:35
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I mean growing up, I saw boxing as
36:38
Speaker 2: a black and brown sport and it didn't even like
36:40
Speaker 2: I didn't think twice about it. It's just kind of
36:42
Speaker 2: what that was to me, right, And.
36:44
Speaker 3: And they try to sell Ricky Hatten to us. They
36:47
Speaker 3: try to act like that guy was the next coming
36:49
Speaker 3: and man.
36:52
Speaker 2: Never how did that turn out? Sorry? Had Ricky hadn't
36:59
Speaker 2: turned out for Oh?
37:01
Speaker 3: It was it was lived, it was grand opening, grand closing.
37:06
Speaker 3: He fought Floyd, got dropped, fought pak Yao, and it
37:09
Speaker 3: was over, like he didn't care anymore. Then he was
37:11
Speaker 3: retired X champ in like two years after that. So
37:15
Speaker 3: you know he comes to boxing, you know then sitting
37:17
Speaker 3: in good seats talking about x X, you know, middleweight
37:21
Speaker 3: champ or ultimweight champ.
37:25
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I mean I think every every few years
37:27
Speaker 2: they're sort of like trying to say, this is the
37:28
Speaker 2: next guy, this is the next guy. And you know,
37:32
Speaker 2: Tyson Fury was their guy for a long time and
37:34
Speaker 2: he actually he walked the walk in a lot of
37:37
Speaker 2: uh in a lot of respects. But yeah, I mean,
37:41
Speaker 2: and here's the thing, I don't know, Big Company is
37:43
Speaker 2: kind of kind of relative. So I was rooting for
37:46
Speaker 2: Ukrainian Alexander Russik versus British Tyson Fury, both of them
37:51
Speaker 2: white guys. But then also we'll talk more about this
37:54
Speaker 2: than maybe the next episode, but Ukrainian Dennis Barnchek is
37:57
Speaker 2: fighting black American Keishan Davis, and you know, I'm all
38:01
Speaker 2: for Keyshot. So I don't know. I mean, what's gonna happen.
38:05
Speaker 2: Is everybody gonna like rally around who sick? I mean,
38:07
Speaker 2: he's got the skills, he does, but is it because
38:11
Speaker 2: they really believe he's got the skills or because he's
38:13
Speaker 2: another white guy?
38:15
Speaker 3: We know how it works out.
38:17
Speaker 2: That is a rhetorical question, but you know, we don't.
38:20
Speaker 2: We don't try again shy away from the difficult conversations
38:22
Speaker 2: here on the show. You know, and this is stuff
38:24
Speaker 2: the really it's baked into history. You know, we're talking
38:27
Speaker 2: about this guy who lived, you know, the Hunt over
38:30
Speaker 2: one hundred years ago, and boxing became a black and
38:34
Speaker 2: brown sport despite you know what white fans, white audiences,
38:39
Speaker 2: and white fighters wanted. They would have stopped it if
38:42
Speaker 2: they absolutely could have.
38:44
Speaker 3: Well, also a big part of it is poverty. Right
38:47
Speaker 3: when you're poor and you don't have very many options,
38:50
Speaker 3: whatever options you do have, you're gonna go all and
38:53
Speaker 3: with it. Like the boxers that made it, they made it.
38:55
Speaker 3: There's a lot of guys who tried boxing that it
38:57
Speaker 3: didn't work for and they had to get five and
39:00
Speaker 3: else to do. But most of the time you go
39:02
Speaker 3: a box because your chances, you know, you don't have
39:05
Speaker 3: much else to do. That's your only hope in a
39:06
Speaker 3: lot of cases.
39:08
Speaker 2: What I've always said, the most dangerous fighter is the
39:10
Speaker 2: fighter that has something to prove and has to show
39:13
Speaker 2: that they are the baddest because they grew up with nothing.
39:16
Speaker 3: They're not trying to go back like they're trying to steak.
39:21
Speaker 3: You're not trying to go.
39:22
Speaker 2: Back they're going back to the government cheese that's white.
39:27
Speaker 2: And then in black letters.
39:29
Speaker 3: Better you like to do? You like to drink a
39:31
Speaker 3: little bit. Once you have premium alcohol, you're not going
39:34
Speaker 3: back to nothing else. And then I'll give you one
39:37
Speaker 3: last one. Once you have premium women, if that's what
39:41
Speaker 3: you choose to partake in, you know, but partaking that,
39:44
Speaker 3: some do other stuff when I'm talking about that, But
39:46
Speaker 3: the ones that partake in women, once you get used
39:49
Speaker 3: to a certain amount of women, you're not trying to
39:51
Speaker 3: go back to what you was used to before. It's
39:53
Speaker 3: not not happening.
39:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean to me, with everything stacked up against
39:58
Speaker 2: Jack Johnson and black fighters general, it's amazing to me
40:01
Speaker 2: that so many of them now black and brown fighters
40:04
Speaker 2: became so prominent in boxing today. Like it's it's just unreal.
40:07
Speaker 2: You know.
40:08
Speaker 3: It's focus and actually fall through what their gifts. A
40:12
Speaker 3: lot of guys can't stay focused end up crashing out.
40:15
Speaker 3: But for the ones that can, it's it's really good
40:17
Speaker 3: to see. Right, continuing on to sorry about Jack Johnson.
40:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, the fight his fights were Attempts were made to
40:26
Speaker 2: ban the fights that he won against white people, yep.
40:29
Speaker 3: Literally, and.
40:31
Speaker 2: After he won the heavyweight championship from Tommy Burns. A
40:35
Speaker 2: bunch of fights after that were billed as Jack Johnson
40:38
Speaker 2: versus the Great White Hope, and of course he washed
40:41
Speaker 2: all opponents, and people started screaming, begging for Jim Jeffries
40:46
Speaker 2: to unretire, to beat this man. You know, we talked
40:48
Speaker 2: about him earlier. He's back in the story.
40:50
Speaker 3: Baby.
40:51
Speaker 2: He retired for six years, and Jack Lennon was the
40:54
Speaker 2: one that said, you know, the white man must be rescued,
40:56
Speaker 2: and it's got to be done by Jim Jefferies. And
40:59
Speaker 2: it took forty thousand dollars to lure Jim Jeffries back
41:04
Speaker 2: into the ring. So July fourth, nineteen ten and reno,
41:08
Speaker 2: they called it the fight of the century. Twenty thousand
41:11
Speaker 2: people were there, scheduled for twenty rounds, and so people
41:16
Speaker 2: were so racist they still thought this fat Grandpa Jim
41:19
Speaker 2: Jeffries had what it took to defeat Johnson, who was
41:21
Speaker 2: still in excellent shape. So you know, I we all
41:26
Speaker 2: know how the song goes, We all know the lyrics.
41:28
Speaker 2: Jack beat the shit out of him. Jeffries got knocked
41:30
Speaker 2: down twice, his corners threw in the towel in the
41:32
Speaker 2: fifteen round, so he wouldn't actually get slept and race
41:35
Speaker 2: rights broke out. Black people were literally murdered in response
41:39
Speaker 2: to this fight.
41:40
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how it was, man, And I'll put it
41:46
Speaker 3: this way. Back then, all bets were off because how
41:49
Speaker 3: race relations were. And also there's no protection right, So
41:54
Speaker 3: for Jack Johnson, he can win the fight, but he
41:57
Speaker 3: eventually lose the war. There's no war, there's no there's
42:01
Speaker 3: no civil rights, there's no and you know, there was
42:04
Speaker 3: no help. He was basically on his own. And if
42:07
Speaker 3: you were black and you were caught celebrated, you were
42:09
Speaker 3: your life was in jeopardy too. So it was a real, real,
42:13
Speaker 3: real tough situation all the way around. However, he did
42:17
Speaker 3: make a lot of people scared and a lot of
42:18
Speaker 3: people mad, And I like that. I like when our
42:21
Speaker 3: fighters and our athletes pissed the majority of the people off.
42:24
Speaker 3: I love it. So for me, he's a hero. But
42:27
Speaker 3: with all that being said, it sucks that he didn't
42:30
Speaker 3: get to class, get to used his skills in a
42:32
Speaker 3: different time or a different era, because he would have
42:34
Speaker 3: been much better appreciated and we would have saw a
42:36
Speaker 3: lot more had better stories than we do with the
42:39
Speaker 3: current ones we.
42:39
Speaker 2: Have now sure, and I think that even though we
42:42
Speaker 2: look back, you know, everybody knows Muhammada Leave and if
42:45
Speaker 2: you're not into boxing, you know, maybe some people do
42:48
Speaker 2: they really know Joe Louis kind of sort of. But
42:52
Speaker 2: I think even the people that know the history of
42:55
Speaker 2: boxing still don't give Jack Johnson enough credit for you know,
42:57
Speaker 2: what he did for the sport, honestly losing recipe.
43:00
Speaker 3: We don't talk about old boxing anymore else, remember, Like
43:04
Speaker 3: I mean, Tyson's the oldest most kids know about. And
43:07
Speaker 3: that's kind of just by the antics. That's not the
43:10
Speaker 3: boxing like we really I mean, we be honest, we're
43:14
Speaker 3: talking about like Floyd Trinidad Oscar Era, like mid nineties,
43:20
Speaker 3: and that's like the start for a lot of people,
43:23
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So it's we were kind
43:25
Speaker 3: of losing recipes on the seventies and before, like it's
43:29
Speaker 3: just not there. Yeah.
43:30
Speaker 2: Well in Tyson's yea, I've been in the Zeitgach like
43:32
Speaker 2: you said, for you know, he's kids who grew up.
43:34
Speaker 2: Kids would watch The Hangover. They knew who Tyson was,
43:37
Speaker 2: and maybe they did a little research and if they
43:39
Speaker 2: didn't know what fighter he was, maybe that kind of
43:41
Speaker 2: led them down a rabbit hole. He had. You know,
43:43
Speaker 2: there's memes, you know, he's he had that adult swim
43:46
Speaker 2: cartoon that I never saw where he's.
43:48
Speaker 3: Like Edibulls and the Weed. Now, like he's he's known
43:51
Speaker 3: for more non boxing than boxing, and you know, that
43:55
Speaker 3: is what it is. That's kind of how it went.
43:57
Speaker 3: But but yeah, man, it's a different situation all way around.
44:01
Speaker 2: Sure, but also yes, he's known more for not boxing.
44:04
Speaker 2: But I think still people know that he was a
44:06
Speaker 2: boxer and a.
44:07
Speaker 3: Great no no doubt, no doubt, He's definitely known from that.
44:10
Speaker 3: It's just that over the last twenty five to thirty
44:12
Speaker 3: years it's been non boxing things that he's known for
44:16
Speaker 3: rather than boxing. And I'm saying that's the problem with
44:19
Speaker 3: when them out boxers outside of like like Roy Jones,
44:23
Speaker 3: Floyd Oscar, those three guys in the mid ninety early
44:27
Speaker 3: to mid nineties, I think that's what the majority of
44:30
Speaker 3: people start. You're not gonna go hold with that goal
44:33
Speaker 3: before that, their knowledge is very limited before that.
44:37
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, this, this documentary and other stuff about
44:40
Speaker 2: Jack Johnson is easily available. You know, we're doing a
44:42
Speaker 2: lot of history recap. I think it's nice to do
44:44
Speaker 2: a little bit of a mix of history and then
44:46
Speaker 2: you know our thoughts on the legacy of that. But
44:49
Speaker 2: when we're not a history podcast and we're not the podcast,
44:51
Speaker 2: it just sits in Rich Reads Wikipedia. But but I think,
44:55
Speaker 2: like I said, I think this is important. I think
44:57
Speaker 2: even if you're not a boxing fan at all, if
45:00
Speaker 2: you're a fan of history, if you're just a fan
45:03
Speaker 2: of like you know, stories about people, big, big characters
45:07
Speaker 2: in history, you know, doing wild shit, I think you
45:09
Speaker 2: should learn more about Jack Johnson. You know, watch that documentary.
45:13
Speaker 2: At the very least, you know, google some articles about him.
45:16
Speaker 3: My god, well, read a book. Y'all need to read
45:19
Speaker 3: read a book. It would help because and this do
45:21
Speaker 3: all wanted to have speed to go buy faster. But no,
45:23
Speaker 3: I definitely think he does. He's one of our first
45:25
Speaker 3: American superstars, and we don't have a lot of those anymore.
45:29
Speaker 3: Why we took those. We don't have a lot of
45:31
Speaker 3: American athletes that are superstars. We got stars. We got
45:34
Speaker 3: guys that are celebrities because they're content creators. We don't
45:37
Speaker 3: have a lot of superstars because they're dope in their sport,
45:40
Speaker 3: don't have a whole lot of those anymore. He was
45:41
Speaker 3: like one of our first.
45:43
Speaker 2: Yeah no, it's in his lacy rings through today. Just
45:46
Speaker 2: a couple more things to finish up with this very
45:49
Speaker 2: very brief bio. We said that he liked the company
45:52
Speaker 2: of prostitutes who are also white women. So in nineteen ten,
45:56
Speaker 2: there was a law called the Man Act pass.
45:58
Speaker 3: It was.
46:00
Speaker 2: The reason it was passed to stop the transporting of
46:02
Speaker 2: white women, sorry, this transporting of women across state lines
46:06
Speaker 2: quote for moral purposes. So it was for you know,
46:09
Speaker 2: stop sex trafficking, which we all agree is a good idea,
46:12
Speaker 2: but it was used to target Jack Johnson because the
46:15
Speaker 2: government was trying to find whatever they could to lock
46:18
Speaker 2: him up and stop him from being the figure, the
46:21
Speaker 2: black figure in the sport anyway that they could, so
46:25
Speaker 2: they arrested him for it. He skipped bail, left for Montreal,
46:28
Speaker 2: lived in exile in Europe, which totally support him skipping bail,
46:31
Speaker 2: by the way. That's fucking bad ass. He moved to Mexico.
46:34
Speaker 2: He actually said that Mexico was cool and encourage other
46:37
Speaker 2: black people to move there. You know that the racial
46:39
Speaker 2: relations there were a lot better. My people have a
46:42
Speaker 2: lot of problems but somehow they were less racist in
46:45
Speaker 2: the early nineteen hundreds, and you know, the US was
46:47
Speaker 2: toward toward black people. But yeah, he finally lost his
46:53
Speaker 2: heavyweight title in Havanah in nineteen fifty to a guy
46:56
Speaker 2: named Jessa lost. Yeah, this fight was scheduled for forty
47:01
Speaker 2: five rounds right in the sun. I goddamn rounds. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
47:07
Speaker 2: Jack Johnson got knocked down in the twenty sixth round.
47:09
Speaker 2: You know, he didn't get back up.
47:11
Speaker 3: He was sure his eyes with the gloves to make
47:13
Speaker 3: sure the sun was in his thighs. The fight was thrown.
47:16
Speaker 3: It was fixed to make sure that. I believe he
47:19
Speaker 3: had to get back to the States. So his mom
47:21
Speaker 3: was sick and some things, and yeah, that fight was
47:24
Speaker 3: thrown though it wasn't, but it is what it is.
47:26
Speaker 2: He thought he could negotiate with the governments to look,
47:28
Speaker 2: I lose this fight if I do this, if I
47:30
Speaker 2: do that. You know, he tried whatever he could. He
47:32
Speaker 2: missed being home, and yeah, he couldn't make it back
47:34
Speaker 2: to visit his mom or to visit his home after
47:37
Speaker 2: his mom died. Eventually, he returned to the US in
47:40
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty to serve out ascendence for of a year
47:42
Speaker 2: for the arrest under the Man Act. And yeah, he
47:45
Speaker 2: died at sixty eight years old because he flipped one
47:48
Speaker 2: of his fancy sports cars because the man loved going fast.
47:51
Speaker 3: So right, it's.
47:53
Speaker 2: A wild story like this is one of the wildest stories,
47:57
Speaker 2: like in boxing history, like I said, but also in
47:59
Speaker 2: American I.
48:00
Speaker 3: Mean, we still have the same things that happened today.
48:03
Speaker 3: I mean one of our bright stars unfortunately flipped a
48:06
Speaker 3: car within the last several years. I mean it happened.
48:09
Speaker 3: You know, all the stuff that he went through still
48:11
Speaker 3: goes on to this day.
48:13
Speaker 2: Right exactly. So you know, please check out this documentary
48:18
Speaker 2: learn more about Jack Johnson. You know, I strongly encourage it. Again,
48:21
Speaker 2: if you're just the kind of history you don't have
48:22
Speaker 2: to care about sports. There's a lot of I have
48:24
Speaker 2: somebodies who just do not care about sports, but they
48:27
Speaker 2: like good stories. Yeah, listen to an audiobook, I said,
48:30
Speaker 2: Jameson said, you know, you don't have to read it.
48:32
Speaker 2: Listening into an audiobook is perfectly valuable. I think it's
48:35
Speaker 2: a great way to if you're running around driving for
48:38
Speaker 2: work or anything like that, it's a great way to
48:40
Speaker 2: get that. So please check it out, download the Libby app,
48:42
Speaker 2: get a library card, you get the liby app, you
48:45
Speaker 2: get ebooks, you get audiobooks. You know, we gotta we
48:48
Speaker 2: gotta encourage people to learn more about about history these days,
48:52
Speaker 2: because because we're gonna lose it. So but yeah, final
48:55
Speaker 2: thoughts on Jack Johnson on this documentary. It's kind of weird.
48:57
Speaker 2: We usually rate movies or shows of four gloves, but
49:00
Speaker 2: I feel it's kind of weird to rate a documentary
49:02
Speaker 2: about this guy that.
49:03
Speaker 3: Really you can't really rate a documentary like that one. Yeah,
49:06
Speaker 3: I mean it was done well, you know, I think
49:08
Speaker 3: we get to say that it served the purpose. We
49:10
Speaker 3: can't really rate rate a light back and it wasn't
49:12
Speaker 3: made for that purpose.
49:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's yeah, it's yes, it's kind of
49:16
Speaker 2: for entertainment, but it's also educational. I guess how about this,
49:19
Speaker 2: let's rate Jack Johnson as a fighter four gloves. He
49:22
Speaker 2: downe with that.
49:23
Speaker 3: Oh he's four out of four?
49:25
Speaker 2: What's up?
49:26
Speaker 3: He's four out of four? He's still four to four.
49:28
Speaker 2: Yes, we're rating him as a fighter as a figure
49:31
Speaker 2: four to four gloves, So please check it out. It's
49:33
Speaker 2: called Unforgivable Blackness. So last segment got a mailback question here.
49:39
Speaker 3: You ready for this one, of course? Yeah.
49:41
Speaker 2: This one comes from a listener named j D. His
49:45
Speaker 2: question is, if y'all had a DeLorean, which fight would
49:49
Speaker 2: you go back to see if you could.
49:51
Speaker 3: Oh that's a good question, oh man, a lot of
49:56
Speaker 3: good options out there. Yeah, Like, that's not really fair.
50:00
Speaker 3: That should be like a an error question, right, So
50:05
Speaker 3: like a fight from the seventies, fight from the eighties,
50:07
Speaker 3: fight from the nineties, fight from the two thousands, fight
50:10
Speaker 3: from the twenty tens, fight from the twenty twenties, Like
50:13
Speaker 3: it should be based on that, because that's not I
50:15
Speaker 3: mean one five minutes of so many great fights.
50:20
Speaker 2: I'm guessing you wouldn't go back to watch Jack Johnson
50:22
Speaker 2: the early nineteen hundred. No, no, no, no, you just taking
50:26
Speaker 2: like nineteen eighty and Forge.
50:27
Speaker 3: I mean going to the seventies and Shaky Man. Yeah,
50:30
Speaker 3: like going to the Massonsquare Garden to see you know,
50:33
Speaker 3: Ali Fraser one is like, you know, even though there's
50:37
Speaker 3: so much that went all with that fight and how
50:39
Speaker 3: important that was, like that one is probably it, But
50:44
Speaker 3: I don't want to go back that far because we
50:45
Speaker 3: were treated terribly back then. Man, there's so many good fights.
50:50
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, Hagwin hearns, Yeah, there's I mean, yes, sure, right, Yeah.
51:02
Speaker 2: It's hard, it's it's a hard question. It's hard to
51:03
Speaker 2: pin down.
51:04
Speaker 3: I think I was be aerror based. It'd have to
51:07
Speaker 3: be air based. It can't just be one. That's not fair.
51:10
Speaker 3: But I had to pick one, it would be Ali
51:12
Speaker 3: Fraser one in New York because so much happened during
51:14
Speaker 3: that fight, the way it was covered out, like the
51:17
Speaker 3: first major production, and you know, so I would probably
51:21
Speaker 3: pick that up that one if I had to. But again,
51:24
Speaker 3: I think it should be air based because there's fights
51:26
Speaker 3: in the two thousands that I would have loved to
51:28
Speaker 3: go on to and unfortunately we didn't get Packy on
51:31
Speaker 3: Mayweather until it was too late. But if we'd have
51:33
Speaker 3: got that in eight, that probably would have been the
51:35
Speaker 3: one because that was like literally the fight that everybody
51:38
Speaker 3: wanted to see.
51:39
Speaker 2: I guess there's nothing says that you can't take the
51:41
Speaker 2: Delian back and hang out for like a year, a
51:44
Speaker 2: couple of years in a watch.
51:45
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean there's just so many different moments.
51:49
Speaker 3: I mean, I would have loved to be in MGM
51:50
Speaker 3: for Tyson Holyfield one I would have loved being arena
51:54
Speaker 3: just for that, all the craziness that ensued. IM sorry,
51:58
Speaker 3: sorry for all the crazy that ensued. But tis Holyfield
52:02
Speaker 3: one was an upset by the book standard. So yeah, yeah,
52:07
Speaker 3: it's a good question. It's a very very good question,
52:09
Speaker 3: to be honest with you. Yeah, that's that's fascinating, it
52:14
Speaker 3: really is. But I would probably say Ali Fraser one.
52:17
Speaker 2: Also, just to make it clear for the audience who
52:19
Speaker 2: don't know off hand, Holyfield versus Ticson too, what fight
52:23
Speaker 2: was that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the nearbino one. That's the one I would
52:25
Speaker 3: have probably would have went to see. The first one
52:27
Speaker 3: was interesting because it was marketed very well and holy
52:30
Speaker 3: Field beat Tyson at that time, which was an upset,
52:33
Speaker 3: even though looking back at things it probably wasn't. But
52:36
Speaker 3: that's a whole different conversation for a wholely different day.
52:38
Speaker 3: But I don't know if I want to go back
52:40
Speaker 3: for that fight particularly. I think the eighties was probably
52:44
Speaker 3: the gold standard of fighting. There's just so many great
52:47
Speaker 3: middleweights and worlds of wades that fought, and they actually
52:50
Speaker 3: fought each other. It wasn't a whole lot of ducking.
52:53
Speaker 3: And I don't want to fight because they weren't making
52:55
Speaker 3: that much. But they weren't making money. These guys were
52:56
Speaker 3: making they had to fight regularly. So Ramp Sugar, Ray
53:01
Speaker 3: Haggler hearns you have there's so many great, great fights.
53:06
Speaker 3: But yeah, if I had a fight, one choose one
53:08
Speaker 3: to probably Ali Fraser one.
53:10
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I got maybe a stranger, weird one. But
53:13
Speaker 2: I would go back to see Hulu su Chavis fight,
53:15
Speaker 2: but specifically the nineteen ninety four fight against Frankie Randall
53:19
Speaker 2: or Julia First lost. And I'll tell you why. So
53:22
Speaker 2: Chevis is my goat. He's the reason I'm into boxing
53:24
Speaker 2: to this day, to this type. But the thing I
53:27
Speaker 2: love about the sport is how I'm predicciple. It can be.
53:29
Speaker 2: Any little thing can change the tight of a fight.
53:31
Speaker 2: And while I hate the thought of seeing my guy lose,
53:33
Speaker 2: I would love to feel the vibe in the venue,
53:36
Speaker 2: you know, the emotions during the fight and at the results.
53:39
Speaker 2: That fight was the first time Cheves was knocked down
53:41
Speaker 2: in his career. I believe it was knocked down. I'm
53:44
Speaker 2: pretty sure it was the first time in his career.
53:46
Speaker 2: And we all know the feeling of seeing your guy
53:48
Speaker 2: in trouble in the ring, right, So yeah, that's something
53:51
Speaker 2: I've never felt or connected with for any like NBA
53:53
Speaker 2: team and felt team. Nothing against the sport, it's just
53:56
Speaker 2: not what I've you know, that doesn't bring down.
53:58
Speaker 3: That much nothing. There's no other feeling you could equate
54:02
Speaker 3: it to. Neither. There's no when you when you're a
54:05
Speaker 3: guy or somebody you root for or bet on kids
54:09
Speaker 3: are dropped.
54:10
Speaker 2: It's swoof, man. It's very few things are worse than
54:14
Speaker 2: that feeling, especially at an upset. You know, Frankie Randall
54:19
Speaker 2: was the underdog, and you know the upsets gonna happen
54:21
Speaker 2: all the time. So yeah, just the roar of the crowd,
54:24
Speaker 2: the shock, the gas, like all that shit. I want
54:26
Speaker 2: to experience that. I want to see what it was like.
54:29
Speaker 2: And and then I would go to Houston and leave
54:31
Speaker 2: a note for my eight year old self telling me
54:33
Speaker 2: not to get fat. I'd be like, just because you're
54:35
Speaker 2: skinny now and we'll be skinny for a decade and
54:37
Speaker 2: a half, doesn't mean you're gonna stay that way. Stupid,
54:40
Speaker 2: So that's what I would do. In nineteen ninety four, Jamison,
54:46
Speaker 2: where can people find you on social media?
54:48
Speaker 3: At the Jamison on Twitter, The Jamison on Instagram. Yeah,
54:53
Speaker 3: you know, we got some box stuff coming up. I
54:54
Speaker 3: think there's gonna be some announcements soon. By the time
54:57
Speaker 3: we got on next next show, I think we'll have
54:59
Speaker 3: some more talk about in terms of upcoming fights, and
55:01
Speaker 3: we'll we'll break some stuff down and have some fun. Excellent.
55:05
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