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Sharri | 5 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry Well, said Andrew Good Evening everyone. Tonight
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Speaker 2: I can reveal that police launch a series of investigations
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Speaker 2: into Harvard Bridge protesters who waived terror flags and flaunted
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Speaker 2: banned Nazi and hermask symbols.
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Speaker 3: I have this exclusive in a moment.
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Speaker 2: Also tonight, the brother of emaciated hostage Evita David joins
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Speaker 2: me for an exclusive interview his plea to world leaders
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Speaker 2: not to forget the hostages who are digging their own graves.
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Speaker 3: He'll join me live shortly.
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Speaker 2: Don't miss it, plas Vladimir Putin's daughter speaks out against
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Speaker 2: the Russian dictator, and John Howard urges the Albanezy government
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Speaker 2: to revive the baby Bonus.
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Speaker 3: That's all coming up and it is a big show.
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Speaker 2: But first tonight I can exclusively reveal New South Wales
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Speaker 2: police have launched a series of investigations into the Harbor
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Speaker 2: Bridge protesters over death chants, waving terror flags and displaying
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Speaker 2: her mus and Nazi symbols. Last night I showed you
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Speaker 2: how al Qaeda and ISIS flags, among others, were flown
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Speaker 2: on the Harbor Bridge, defiling.
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Speaker 3: Our national icon.
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Speaker 2: I spoke to the police today and asked what they
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Speaker 2: were doing about this. Surely our harbor Bridge, our national icon,
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Speaker 2: can't be legally turned into a platform for banned terror
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Speaker 2: organizations to spread vile propaganda. And police have told me
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Speaker 2: they're investigating four aspects of the protest. Firstly, new southeales
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Speaker 2: police are actively investigating this woman holding a banner with
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Speaker 2: the Nazi swastika. They're trying to identify her. If you
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Speaker 2: can help with this, if you know who she is,
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Speaker 2: let me know. Secondly, I can reveal police stopped this
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Speaker 2: man wearing the inverted triangle the Hamas symbol.
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Speaker 3: At the protest.
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Speaker 2: They spoke to him on the day, they recorded his
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Speaker 2: details and they're seeking.
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Speaker 3: Legal advice on it. At the moment.
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Speaker 2: Police are also investigating the audio of the death Chance
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Speaker 2: to see if they are in breach of.
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Speaker 3: The law Chance like this.
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Speaker 2: And finally, police are assessing the photographs of the flags
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Speaker 2: flown on the Harbor Bridge to determine if they represent
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Speaker 2: terrorist organizations and if they break the law. Police told
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Speaker 2: me they have specialist officers analyzing the flags and the
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Speaker 2: police are waiting their advice. So police have launched an
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Speaker 2: investigation into the horrific actions of the protesters on Sunday.
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Speaker 3: Now, this was the protest that Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: Anthony Alberzi praised and claimed was peaceful.
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Speaker 4: Yesterday's march was peaceful and was an opportunity for people
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Speaker 4: to express their concern about what is happening in Gaza.
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Speaker 2: So he claimed it was peaceful because there were no arrests,
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Speaker 2: But he didn't bother to mention the terrorist flags, the
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Speaker 2: death chance, the Hamas symbols, and the Nazi swastikas that
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Speaker 2: made this protest one of hate and anti Semitism, not peace,
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Speaker 2: not humanity. And now Albanesi cements his morally compromised position
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Speaker 2: by further advancing the cause of the Palestinians, despite their
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Speaker 2: leadership making no effort to accept Israel's existence, return the hostages,
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Speaker 2: or commit to peace. Albinizi, a lifelong pro Palestinian activist,
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Speaker 2: is now moving Australia to become an ally of an
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Speaker 2: anti Semitic movement that funds terrorism and is ideologically opposed
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Speaker 2: to the West. Under this Prime Minister, Australia is no
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Speaker 2: longer a steady friend to our ally Israel, and the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister has spoken overnight to the anti Semitic Palestinian
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Speaker 2: Authority President Mahmuda Bas who pays the families of terrorists,
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Speaker 2: and Albanesi is preparing to meet him at the UN
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Speaker 2: General Assembly and he wants to discuss Palestinian's statehood and
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Speaker 2: albo says he doesn't care if it upsets the United
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Speaker 2: States Friendly Mission.
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Speaker 5: Starting to treatison last week.
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Speaker 6: It was a matter of when not if it will
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Speaker 6: be inconsistent with the view.
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Speaker 7: Of the United States.
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Speaker 6: Do you feel it like complicated already complicated relationship with Trump.
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Speaker 4: Or you can where a sovereign nation Australia makes our
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Speaker 4: decisions as a sovereign nation.
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Speaker 2: It's ironic that Western leaders like Albanesi are embracing the
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Speaker 2: movement that has long funded terrorism when the Arab League
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Speaker 2: is moving in the opposite direction. For the first time ever,
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Speaker 2: the Arab League has called for an enter Hamas and
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Speaker 2: for all Israeli hostages to be released, but we hear
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Speaker 2: more from Albanesi, demands that Israel and the war, and
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Speaker 2: he's now moving to recognize a Palestinian state without any
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Speaker 2: assurance that they would accept Israel's right to exist and also.
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Speaker 3: Stop the cycle of terror.
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Speaker 2: Seeing is Albanzi is incapable of understanding the issues at stake,
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Speaker 2: and he has an incompetent foreign minister.
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Speaker 3: I've helped him out with the questions that he.
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Speaker 2: Needs to ask Palestinian President Mahmudabas when he meets with him, he.
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Speaker 3: Needs to ask him. He needs to ask.
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Speaker 2: A Bus what will he do to pressure Hamas to
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Speaker 2: release the hostages and end the war? Does a bus
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Speaker 2: accept Israel's right to exist?
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Speaker 3: Will a bus stop their.
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Speaker 2: Practice of paying terrorists and their families Albanez? He should
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Speaker 2: ask him, what are you going to do to prepare
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Speaker 2: your population for peace? And will you end the coordinated
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Speaker 2: state run incitement campaign against Israel, including in the education
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Speaker 2: system and on state television. He should also ask him
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Speaker 2: what steps he'll take to ensure Harmas has no role
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Speaker 2: in the future governance of a Palestinian state and will
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Speaker 2: he hold fresh elections for the first time since two
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Speaker 2: thousand and five, Yes, for the first time in twenty years.
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Speaker 2: Mahmurabas didn't condemn October seven for twenty months, and he
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Speaker 2: has a lot history of extremely anti Semitic retoric as
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Speaker 2: Tyrone Clark wrote about on the Sky News website Today
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Speaker 2: of Us claimed the Holocaust was not about anti Semitism,
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Speaker 2: and that Hitler's murder of six million Jews was because
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Speaker 2: of jews social role, which had to do with money. Now, naturally,
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Speaker 2: none of this seems to worry Albanezi, but the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister can't escape reality. Currently, the Palestinians only want one.
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Speaker 3: State, their own. They don't want a two state solution.
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Speaker 2: They want the destruction of Jews and Israel, and unless
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Speaker 2: the Palestinians are prepared to accept Israel's right to exist,
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Speaker 2: there can be no two state solution now. Alex Rifchin
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Speaker 2: made this point on Sunday Night, and he explained why
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Speaker 2: a two state solution is morally correct but currently practically impossible.
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Speaker 2: If the Palestinians simply will not accept Israel, the.
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Speaker 8: National heroes are their martyrs, and so Palestinian nationalism is
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Speaker 8: incapable of accepting a two state solution that would extinguish
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Speaker 8: their claims to the entirety of the land and permanently
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Speaker 8: entrench a Jewish state in the heart of the Middle East.
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Speaker 8: To do so would not only destroy their dreams of
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Speaker 8: a great return, it would destroy their very identities. Western
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Speaker 8: governments do not grasp this.
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Speaker 2: And columnist Gerard Baker makes a similar point, he writes
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Speaker 2: in the War between the Jewish State and its enemies
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Speaker 2: in Gaza. One side is deliberately starving innocent people to
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Speaker 2: the point of emaciation. One side irrevocably denies the right
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Speaker 2: of its adversary to exist. One side would if it could,
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Speaker 2: conduct a genocide against the other, wiping every last remnant
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Speaker 2: off the face of the planet. And that side is
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Speaker 2: an Israel and Hamasa proudly boasting that their massacre on
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Speaker 2: October seven is now leading to Palestinian recognition. They call
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Speaker 2: it the fruits of their terrorism. International leaders are being
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Speaker 2: played by terrorists, and they are too wilfully.
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Speaker 3: Blind to realize.
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Speaker 2: The Wall Street Journal makes this point in two thousand,
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Speaker 2: two thousand and one, and two thousand and eight. The
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Speaker 2: Palestinian authority rejected Israeli offers of statehood because it was
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Speaker 2: unwilling to give up on the dream of a mass
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Speaker 2: migration to rule all of the land from the river
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Speaker 2: to the sea. Instead, the PA has turned to an
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Speaker 2: international pressure campaign. France, the UK, Canada and a few
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Speaker 2: others now vindicate their strategy.
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Speaker 3: And this is the bizarre world we're living in.
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Speaker 2: The international community is putting unprecedented pressure on Israel to
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Speaker 2: end the war, which it can't do until its hostages
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Speaker 2: are returned, and the international community is playing no role
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Speaker 2: in pressing Hamas or the Palestinian leadership or their financial
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Speaker 2: backers like Qatar and Turkey, or even putting pressure on
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Speaker 2: the United Nations and the Red Cross, all of them
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Speaker 2: to help bring home the hostages, or even to work
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Speaker 2: with Israel and where they're located so rescue missions might
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Speaker 2: be successful. Not enough has been done here. There should
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Speaker 2: be economic pressure, like sanctions on Qatar forcing them to
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Speaker 2: pressure the Hamas billionaires who they're harboring. Now, just a warning,
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Speaker 2: the footage we're about to play is distressing, but the
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Speaker 2: undeniable videos we're seeing of hostages are clearly reminiscent of
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Speaker 2: the Holocaust. Twenty four year old Evatar David and twenty
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Speaker 2: two year old rum Braslovski. The images can't get more
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Speaker 2: confronting or shocking.
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Speaker 3: David digging his.
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Speaker 2: Own grave, barely alive, and rom writhing in adegony, yet
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Speaker 2: there are no protests over their treatment. The New York
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Speaker 2: Times isn't putting their photographs on the front page, yet
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Speaker 2: their release could.
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Speaker 3: End this war again.
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Speaker 2: This war will not end while there are fifty hostages
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Speaker 2: in Gaza, the humanitarian crisis unfolding in the meantime in Gaza.
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Speaker 3: That's entirely up to Hermas.
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Speaker 2: This war would never have begun if not for October seven,
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Speaker 2: and it won't end until the hostages are released. And
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Speaker 2: the fact they're suffering in the meantime is entirely on Hermus.
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Speaker 2: And Hermas refuses to accept the ceasefire proposals and it's
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Speaker 2: rejected new talks. Now Israel is left with only difficult decision.
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Speaker 2: It's about how to bring home hostages, and the Israeli
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Speaker 2: Cabinet has been meeting to decide on the next steps
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Speaker 2: in Gaza, which reportedly includes a decision on whether to
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Speaker 2: take over the areas where the hostages are believed to
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Speaker 2: be held.
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Speaker 3: No decision has been made on that yet.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: Usnvoy Steve Wickcoff said on the weekend that America is
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Speaker 2: no longer interested in the only partial hostage deals. It's
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Speaker 2: time for everyone to come home. Yet to the world
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Speaker 2: ignores the plight of the hostages and instead claims that
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Speaker 2: Israel is deliberately starving children in Gaza.
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Speaker 3: It's an entirely false claim.
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Speaker 2: Benjamin Etteya, who addressed to these claims overnight in a
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Speaker 2: powerful video.
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Speaker 7: In the Middle Ages, all the massacres against Jews were
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Speaker 7: preceded by horrible vilifications. The lies that were leveled against
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Speaker 7: the Jews spread around the globe, poisoning the welds. We
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Speaker 7: were carriers of disease. We slaughtered Christian children in order
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Speaker 7: to drink their blood. And this spread from country to
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Speaker 7: country and created massacre after massacre, culminating in the worst
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Speaker 7: massacre of them all, the Holocaust, in which six million
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Speaker 7: innocent Jews were led to the slaughter. Today the Jewish
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Speaker 7: state is facing similar vilifications. They lie about us. They
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Speaker 7: say that we are deliberately starving Palestinian children. That's a
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Speaker 7: bare faced lie. Since the beginning of the war, we
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Speaker 7: have led in almost two million tons of food, two
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Speaker 7: million tons of food for Palestinian civilians, Palestinian children. That's
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Speaker 7: been our policy.
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Speaker 3: And you can watch the full video on his social media.
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Speaker 2: But this is part of hamasa's strategy to deprive its population,
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Speaker 2: its own population of food to encourage international support. The
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Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal reports that the United Nations says eighty
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Speaker 2: seven percent of the a trucks that it and its
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Speaker 2: partners have tried to deliver since May nineteen, have been
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Speaker 2: intercepted by mobs or armed actors. Much of the food
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Speaker 2: ends up sold at market, with Hermas taking a cut
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Speaker 2: and the un rejects Israeli security escorts. And this is
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Speaker 2: the photograph that has sparked the acceleration in demands for
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Speaker 2: Palestinian statehood. It is absolutely tragic, and it was plastered
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Speaker 2: on front pages around the world, including the New York Times.
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Speaker 3: But they had to issue a clarification.
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Speaker 2: For it that the child was suffering from other health
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Speaker 2: conditions like cerebral palsy, and they falsely cropped the photograph
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Speaker 2: to exclude the child's older brother, who appears perfectly well nourished.
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Speaker 2: As usual, the truth is lost in the battle of war.
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Speaker 2: Israel may be winning militarily, but Harmus is winning the
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Speaker 2: propaganda war, aided by a gullible media and woke leftist
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Speaker 2: international leaders.
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Speaker 3: The likes of Kiir.
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Speaker 2: Stamer, Immanuel Macron and Albanezi are unwitting pawns being manipulated
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Speaker 2: by a terrorist strategy. Now, Evitar David is just twenty
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Speaker 2: four years old. He was kidnapped by Hamas at the
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Speaker 2: Nova Music Festival on October seven. That was about six
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Speaker 2: hundred and sixty two days ago. Now, incredibly distressing footage
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Speaker 2: shows he's being starved, cruelly deprived of water, and.
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Speaker 3: Even forced to dig his own grave.
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Speaker 2: Under these heartbreaking circumstances, Avatar's brother, Ela David, has agreed
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Speaker 2: to speak to us, and he joins us now live
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Speaker 2: from Israel. Ela, thank you very much for your time,
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Speaker 2: and we're all so sorry for what you and your
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Speaker 2: family have been dealing with this terrible trauma for twenty
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Speaker 2: two months now. Thank you for taking the time to speak.
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Speaker 5: With us, and thank you.
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Speaker 9: We admire, really appreciate your courage about the things you
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Speaker 9: just said.
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Speaker 2: Now you've you have chosen not to watch the full
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Speaker 2: video of your brother because it's just too distressing. But
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Speaker 2: I do understand you've seen some of the horrific images
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Speaker 2: and you know about them. At least of your brother
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Speaker 2: looking clearly a shadow of his former self digging his
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Speaker 2: own grave.
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Speaker 3: How much of a shock is it to see him
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Speaker 3: like this?
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Speaker 9: I mean, we saw Eviata being pulled out of the
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Speaker 9: tunnel with this fellow hostage guy, Gadhi Boda Lad.
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Speaker 5: They were both taken from the Nova festival. They were
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Speaker 5: both hostages together for many, many days.
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Speaker 9: On February twenty second, they were forced to watch other
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Speaker 9: hostages being released. After they were separated from the fellow hostages.
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Speaker 5: We thought, that's the pick of cruelty.
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Speaker 9: We thought, that's the most devilish thing on earth, the
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Speaker 9: worst emotional torture that is. And then five months later,
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Speaker 9: this weekend, we got those horrific videos of my brother.
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Speaker 5: We couldn't recognize him. We couldn't recognize him.
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Speaker 9: It reminds us photose that we know only from history class.
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Speaker 9: I think everybody knows what I'm speaking about. We could
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Speaker 9: barely recognize his voice. He can barely move, he's so weak,
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Speaker 9: he's experiencing tremendous pain all over the body. That is
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Speaker 9: what happening when the body goes to such severe starvation,
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Speaker 9: and doctors are saying it's a matter of days, it's
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Speaker 9: a matter of days. He needs to be taken care
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Speaker 9: of right now. We believe that the guy that is
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Speaker 9: there with him, the other hostage, on the same circumstances,
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Speaker 9: they need to be rescued now. They need to be
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Speaker 9: delivered medicine, multivitamines, and proper food before it's too late.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and you were referencing the images that we've all
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Speaker 2: seen of the Holocaust, when skeletal Jews.
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Speaker 3: Had to dig their own graves.
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Speaker 2: How upsetting and devastating has it been for your parents
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Speaker 2: to look at this image and know that this is
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Speaker 2: what their son is going through.
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Speaker 5: My mom couldn't watch. My father had to watch. He
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Speaker 5: had to.
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Speaker 9: Have a sign of life from his son, no matter
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Speaker 9: how horrible it is. My mom couldn't. She only cries.
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Speaker 9: My father can't slip after I saw those images. That
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Speaker 9: is such a such a sweet kind boy. He was
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Speaker 9: saving money before he was kidnapped, before I went to
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Speaker 9: the Nova. He wanted to travel the world. He had
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Speaker 9: already a ticket to Thailand with his friends. He was
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Speaker 9: dreaming about becoming a music producer. I hope he's still
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Speaker 9: dreaming about it. He plays music as the soulover of
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Speaker 9: a musician and is such a good son to my parents.
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Speaker 5: I actually learned from him.
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Speaker 9: He's my younger brother, but they actually learned from him
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Speaker 9: and to be better son. And seeing them shattered like
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Speaker 9: that my parents breaks my heart every day.
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Speaker 2: As I was just talking about the international community is
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Speaker 2: blaming Israel, not hermus for not ending the war, but
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Speaker 2: Israel can't end the war until the hostages like your
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Speaker 2: brother are brought home. What's your message to the world
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Speaker 2: leaders who want Israel to quit before your brother is home?
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Speaker 9: I think whoever is distent enough And saw the images
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Speaker 9: saw the chubby hand of the terrorists reaching to a
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Speaker 9: vatar giving him a prize after he told to the
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Speaker 9: camera at the words he was supposed to say. And
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Speaker 9: this chubby hand is the hand of terrorists. It only
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Speaker 9: means one thing. The terrorists are eating well. They have
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Speaker 9: proper food on the next door. Ayatiant guy are in
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Speaker 9: this dungeon underground. Right next to them, the captors healthy
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Speaker 9: and fat.
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Speaker 5: And we know that they use a.
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Speaker 9: Viatah and the other hostages they staff them intentionally for months.
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Speaker 9: There are that crewe that twisted and are so twisted
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Speaker 9: they use human beings as starvation experiments only to try
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Speaker 9: and inflect propaganda on us and on the world.
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Speaker 5: And right now, all the world, all the leaders of
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Speaker 5: this world, all.
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Speaker 9: Nations, should stand on their back feet and yell and
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Speaker 9: put all the leverage on Ramas.
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Speaker 5: Haramas must be punished.
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Speaker 9: Haramas must release the hostages immediately, unconditionally, because they are
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Speaker 9: the one to starve their own people. They choose who
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Speaker 9: lives who dies, and they are right now using my
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Speaker 9: brother as a bargainship, as a pond in its game,
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Speaker 9: and he is dying because of that, and the hostages
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Speaker 9: are dying.
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Speaker 5: And if it will not act now, it will be
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Speaker 5: too late.
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Speaker 2: Knowing your brother as you do, do you think he
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Speaker 2: would still have hope of being released?
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Speaker 3: How do you think he'd be coping in there?
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Speaker 5: I know he does.
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Speaker 9: He has to because in this condition, when you experience
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Speaker 9: such tremendous pain all over the body and the systems
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Speaker 9: collapse one by another, it's.
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Speaker 5: So easy to give up. It's so easy after more
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Speaker 5: than six.
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Speaker 9: Hundred days of torture, the torment, it's so easy to
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Speaker 9: give up. Any if he's still alike, is not giving up.
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Speaker 9: He knows that he's coming back home eventually. And I
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Speaker 9: know that he manifests the same thing that I'm manifest.
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Speaker 9: I know that he is dreaming about coming back, hugging
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Speaker 9: my parents, hearing my younger sister's secrets, and playing music
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Speaker 9: with me as we used to do every week, playing music,
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Speaker 9: singing songs.
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Speaker 5: And I know that he is dreaming about the.
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Speaker 9: Same things, and it gives him power, and I believe
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Speaker 9: it's it's the same for all the hostages, and he
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Speaker 9: just he didn't give up his and if he's not
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Speaker 9: giving up, we can't give up.
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Speaker 5: We can of this world.
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Speaker 3: Kat We will not give up on your brother either. Ela.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having the courage to speak out.
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Speaker 2: And I know I can speak on behalf of all
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Speaker 2: of our audience and all kind hearted Australians when I
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Speaker 2: say that we pray for you and your parents and
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Speaker 2: we hope that Ebitar comes home soon and we will
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Speaker 2: continue showing his face on air and raising his case.
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for joining us tonight.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, and just quickly, I also have to mention
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Speaker 2: that today is Aril Bibas's birthday. He would have turned
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Speaker 2: six today had he not been kidnapped and slaughtered alongside
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Speaker 2: his little baby brother Kapia and his mother Hieri by
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Speaker 2: a muss Let's bring in tonight's panel, former Liberal Senator
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Speaker 2: Holly Hughes and Daily Telegraph journalist James Willis. Holly, that
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Speaker 2: was just so heartbreaking to watch, and how strong is
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Speaker 2: he Yal for speaking out to tell the world leaders
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Speaker 2: don't give up, go and.
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Speaker 3: Save his brother.
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Speaker 2: Put pressure on him Hamas because all we hear them
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Speaker 2: do is put pressure on Israel.
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Speaker 3: It's disgusting.
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Speaker 10: I was so trying to keep it together when you
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Speaker 10: were just talking to Earlie and what he was saying
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Speaker 10: about his brother. But when you mentioned Bibas, that's just
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Speaker 10: Ariel Bibis's birthday.
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Speaker 3: That's just doubly heartbreaking.
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Speaker 10: And to see the disgusting protests on Sunday and the
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Speaker 10: complete lack of recognition and comprehension from our own leadership
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Speaker 10: and so many international leaders of what is truly going
24:27
Speaker 10: on and the plight of these hostages. I mean, my
24:31
Speaker 10: daughter's got her modern history exam in the trials tomorrow,
24:35
Speaker 10: and I know World War Two is always part of
24:37
Speaker 10: that modern history. What were these people doing in school?
24:39
Speaker 10: Were they not paying any attention? This is absolutely heartbreaking.
24:45
Speaker 10: And for those of us that have been to Yad
24:46
Speaker 10: Vashen and seeing the real what happened in the Holocaust,
24:50
Speaker 10: this is just beyond comprehension. And the strength and courage
24:54
Speaker 10: that he just showed to speak to you, I think
24:56
Speaker 10: is just extraordinary.
24:57
Speaker 2: I agree, and James, you know the protest on Sunday
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Speaker 2: on the Harbor Bridge, they claimed it was a protest
25:02
Speaker 2: for humanity. Well, what about the hostages. I didn't see
25:06
Speaker 2: any posters for the hostages.
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Speaker 11: Well, and also you had flags and as you've just
25:11
Speaker 11: displayed there. I mean, it is staggering that someone would
25:14
Speaker 11: turn up to a public event dressed in a terrorist symbol,
25:19
Speaker 11: with names and organizations that we had long fought against
25:23
Speaker 11: and defeated.
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Speaker 1: That the most.
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Speaker 11: Barbaric type of people. I just find that so sad.
25:28
Speaker 11: I think there's a couple of things to note here.
25:30
Speaker 11: The one thing that gets lost in all of this
25:32
Speaker 11: is that we often look at this from a prism
25:35
Speaker 11: and go, oh, this is terrible, we need to stop
25:36
Speaker 11: it all of a sudden, And the way that the
25:39
Speaker 11: Prime Minister is going in this space, and that response
25:41
Speaker 11: to Phil Crewe the journalist then where he was asked
25:43
Speaker 11: about America and him saying, well, look, we're sort of
25:46
Speaker 11: one our own on this. I mean, come on, seriously,
25:48
Speaker 11: how much does he want to offend the United States
25:51
Speaker 11: of America with his responses and the way that he's
25:53
Speaker 11: dealt with things over the last few months. I look
25:56
Speaker 11: back to nine to eleven and I think about the
25:59
Speaker 11: way that that change the world and changed America, and
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Speaker 11: how determined America was after that to go after Osama
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Speaker 11: bin Laden and stop al KaiA and the terrorist organizations.
26:09
Speaker 11: And I think that perspective is lost here when Israel
26:12
Speaker 11: has hostages that it needs to recover.
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Speaker 1: That are still alive.
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Speaker 11: You've shown those images there. That is a very very
26:17
Speaker 11: important part of this that is overlooked. But also for
26:20
Speaker 11: everyone that is saying, okay, come on, guns back, let's
26:23
Speaker 11: find a two state solution. I mean, okay with Hamas.
26:27
Speaker 11: If Hamas are there, it cannot be done. And no
26:30
Speaker 11: one seems to be able to answer that question. The
26:33
Speaker 11: idea of Israel just standing back and saying okay, it's
26:35
Speaker 11: all over.
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Speaker 5: You have that, will have that.
26:37
Speaker 1: We're all good.
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Speaker 11: It won't happen. And anyone that thinks it will happen
26:42
Speaker 11: and sides with the Palestinian people is siding with a
26:45
Speaker 11: terrorist organization as that It's disgusting.
26:48
Speaker 1: Okay.
26:48
Speaker 2: I'm going to come back to this topic with Ray
26:50
Speaker 2: Hadleyosa Dave Sharma a bit later in the show. But
26:53
Speaker 2: let's have a look at some of the other big
26:54
Speaker 2: news it's around today as well.
26:57
Speaker 3: Madness just madness.
26:58
Speaker 2: In New south Well's Parliament, a politician Gareth Ward he
27:03
Speaker 2: was found guilty on four sexual assault charges involving at
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Speaker 2: two young men. He's still a member of Parliament and
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Speaker 2: he's still being paid. Now the Supreme Court has delayed
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Speaker 2: his expulsion and in the meantime he's still being paid
27:16
Speaker 2: three three hundred dollars a week while he's in prison. Now,
27:21
Speaker 2: I'll just go back to you, James, and I'll get
27:23
Speaker 2: to you in a second, Holly, but just start with you, James.
27:25
Speaker 2: You wrote about this in the Daily Telegraph today. Chris
27:29
Speaker 2: Mens thinks this is shameful. So what is going on
27:33
Speaker 2: with the Supreme Court decisions?
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Speaker 11: It's absurd, It's amazing, and it's amazing that in the
27:38
Speaker 11: modern world we cannot kick someone out of parliaments when
27:42
Speaker 11: they've been found guilty of sexual assault and in decent
27:45
Speaker 11: assault against two men. There's been also other politicians recently
27:49
Speaker 11: that have would not have been tolerated in any other workplace,
27:52
Speaker 11: yet remain stubbornly in their role. This one is very unique,
27:57
Speaker 11: to be honest. From everything I've heard about Gareth Warde
28:00
Speaker 11: and I've understood about Gareth ward over the last few weeks,
28:03
Speaker 11: a few years, it's not unusual. I think he's someone
28:06
Speaker 11: that has been in denial.
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Speaker 1: About a lot of the parts of his private life.
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Speaker 11: And so insists. From the moment that he was charged.
28:13
Speaker 11: He was saying, this will not stick. A jury will
28:15
Speaker 11: throw this out. I'm completely innocent. He was briefing media,
28:19
Speaker 11: he was telling his circle of friends.
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Speaker 3: Look, this is complete.
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Speaker 11: This is a political attack, and now he's in a
28:24
Speaker 11: situation where he's trying to fight this from jail. I mean,
28:28
Speaker 11: it's unbelievable, but it does point to his psyche and
28:31
Speaker 11: I just wonder, given what I've heard this week about
28:34
Speaker 11: a pattern of behavior, there's some questions that need to
28:37
Speaker 11: be asked in the Liberal Party about pre selections and
28:40
Speaker 11: screening people and how this bloke was.
28:43
Speaker 3: Allowed to operate for as long as he did.
28:45
Speaker 11: Now, in fairness, he was a very good local member
28:47
Speaker 11: and that's why he won the seed as an independent,
28:49
Speaker 11: but there's something wrong with the screening process and the
28:52
Speaker 11: Liberal Party.
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Speaker 2: I would have thought, I want to get to some
28:54
Speaker 2: other topics, but Holly, just a quick response to that,
28:56
Speaker 2: what do you think jes couldn't agree with you more,
28:58
Speaker 2: James cob with the selection process.
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Speaker 3: Look, I think that.
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Speaker 10: There has to be some really deep soul searching. I'm
29:04
Speaker 10: sure that there are people that over the years have
29:06
Speaker 10: probably had their doubts, if not blatant awareness of some
29:10
Speaker 10: of the behaviors that have been going on, and the
29:12
Speaker 10: fact that it was allowed to continue. We talk about
29:15
Speaker 10: the factional nature of politics, and you know, Gareth happened
29:18
Speaker 10: to be in the moderate faction that had the numbers
29:21
Speaker 10: in all of those areas and therefore are completely protected species.
29:25
Speaker 10: The shame of this, I don't even want to refer
29:29
Speaker 10: to him as a man being allowed to stay in
29:31
Speaker 10: Parliament while he's sitting in jail in saysnog I find
29:33
Speaker 10: so disgusting. I mean, how is he not reflecting on this?
29:38
Speaker 10: He clearly has no self awareness. I can't imagine almost
29:41
Speaker 10: any other politician having the goal to do this. I
29:45
Speaker 10: mean most people would have fallen on their sword at
29:47
Speaker 10: some stage. But it just shows his complete lack of
29:51
Speaker 10: touch with reality and denial that there's anything wrong with
29:53
Speaker 10: his behavior when clearly it's been proven there is significant
29:57
Speaker 10: issues and criminal issues in his behavior. I was shocked
30:01
Speaker 10: when I read that Mark Speakman was reserving his position
30:05
Speaker 10: until he got legal advice.
30:06
Speaker 2: Seems to be a pattern of Mark's well, I literally
30:09
Speaker 2: message all the time.
30:10
Speaker 3: I messaged with friends today and make a decision.
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Speaker 10: If the courts say that the politicians can't act, if
30:15
Speaker 10: state Parliament can't act, well then that's.
30:17
Speaker 3: On the courts.
30:18
Speaker 10: But for an opposition later, this bloke was a member
30:21
Speaker 10: of the same party and the same faction to stand
30:24
Speaker 10: there and go, oh, well, we might not if the
30:27
Speaker 10: legal advice is politically unsaleable and completely insane and just
30:32
Speaker 10: shows a complete lack of in touch with reality, what
30:34
Speaker 10: the community expectations are and what does it say.
30:37
Speaker 11: Sharry just quickly about the Liberal Party where someone like
30:39
Speaker 11: Holly Hughes and I don't want to embarrass Holly, but
30:42
Speaker 11: Holly gets booted out and doesn't exactly you know, can't
30:45
Speaker 11: get on and she's doing an excellent job in the
30:47
Speaker 11: Senate and they're pre selecting people like Gareth Ward.
30:51
Speaker 3: I was in the wrong faction. We know that.
30:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should have been.
30:54
Speaker 3: A moderate, definitely a faction of probe.
30:57
Speaker 2: I wanted to get through some other stories with you,
30:58
Speaker 2: but we are completely out of time. James Dillis, Holly Hues,
31:01
Speaker 2: thank you for so much. You We'll see you next week,
31:03
Speaker 2: all right, still to come. Vladimir Putin's secret daughter speaks
31:07
Speaker 2: out with allegations against her father, and Ray Hadley weighs
31:11
Speaker 2: in on the Harbor Bridge protest.
31:13
Speaker 3: And whether new laws needed.
31:15
Speaker 2: That's after this quick break, welcome back and joining me now,
31:23
Speaker 2: and I'm so glad he's back, is friend and radio
31:25
Speaker 2: legend Ray Hadley.
31:27
Speaker 1: Ray Harry, I've missed you so much.
31:30
Speaker 3: I missed you too.
31:32
Speaker 12: The people who replace you were charming and lovely. But
31:34
Speaker 12: I love being here with you or I either I'm
31:35
Speaker 12: under a Tuesday night, as the case.
31:37
Speaker 2: May be, the Harbor Bridge protest shut down the city.
31:41
Speaker 3: I missed you on the airwaves over it.
31:43
Speaker 2: I was so I have to say, it is so
31:45
Speaker 2: upsetting to see the terrorist flags on the bridge and
31:48
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister ignores this. And Chris Kenny reported last
31:52
Speaker 2: night on his show, do you remember that Sheikh dad
31:55
Speaker 2: Dune who said he was elated on October eighth, He
31:58
Speaker 2: was on the bridge as well, on side.
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Speaker 12: With plenty of others. Look, let's trace back to how
32:03
Speaker 12: it happened. The New South Wales government opposed it, the
32:07
Speaker 12: New South Wales Police opposed it. One Supreme Court Justice
32:11
Speaker 12: Belinda Riggs that it was okay, It's not a precedent
32:15
Speaker 12: because any other Supreme Court justice may have come up
32:17
Speaker 12: with an entirely different decision.
32:19
Speaker 1: But what worries me is that on the night or the.
32:23
Speaker 12: Afternoon Friday, she considered it. She reserved a decision. Now,
32:28
Speaker 12: it wasn't that complicated. I don't know what she did
32:31
Speaker 12: over night with this yet a sleepless night, or whether
32:33
Speaker 12: she asked other people.
32:35
Speaker 1: I've got no idea.
32:36
Speaker 12: She's a very very highly regarded former public defender who's
32:39
Speaker 12: been elevated of the Supreme Court. But I just don't
32:41
Speaker 12: know why she would require that period to make a decision,
32:45
Speaker 12: which in the end she found rather easy to make.
32:49
Speaker 12: And that's a real concern because I agree with things
32:53
Speaker 12: that have been said since by former prime ministers that
32:57
Speaker 12: it should be a decision of executive government to protect
33:00
Speaker 12: our assets.
33:01
Speaker 1: It's really important. Now something else just arrive.
33:06
Speaker 12: A senior member of the New South Wales Labor government,
33:08
Speaker 12: knowing I was coming on, sent me a text. We're
33:11
Speaker 12: in real trouble with the courts, they said, reference to
33:14
Speaker 12: the Supreme Court, I'd imagine. But the Church Synagogue Exclusion Bill,
33:19
Speaker 12: the prohibition on protests outside place of worship, which was
33:22
Speaker 12: used by the christ Men's government after the protest outside
33:25
Speaker 12: of synagogue is about to go south.
33:28
Speaker 1: I said what.
33:30
Speaker 12: It passed through both houses of New South Wales Parliament,
33:33
Speaker 12: but it's before the High Court now and they say
33:36
Speaker 12: the High Court they're thinking it infringes on the right
33:38
Speaker 12: of political communication. So I mean, you've got an executive
33:43
Speaker 12: government making a decision, through Chris Men's to protect not
33:46
Speaker 12: just synagogues but all other.
33:47
Speaker 1: Forms of places of worship.
33:48
Speaker 12: But it a church, but it somewhere where Muslim people
33:53
Speaker 12: would gather, to protect them as well. And there's a
33:56
Speaker 12: possibility according to the government, that the High Court's going
33:58
Speaker 12: to knock at base that is.
34:00
Speaker 2: So that is insane and that is deeply worrying. Now,
34:05
Speaker 2: just to explain to everyone at home where this started.
34:07
Speaker 2: And one night I was sitting here on air and
34:10
Speaker 2: I started getting text messages from friends of mine who
34:13
Speaker 2: are at a function at the Great Synagogue in the
34:15
Speaker 2: heart of Sydney and the city.
34:17
Speaker 3: And they were locked down.
34:19
Speaker 2: They were locked in because there were all of these
34:21
Speaker 2: aggressive pro Palestinian protesters outside. They couldn't get out. They
34:25
Speaker 2: were locked in the synagogue. So Chris Men's, who's up
34:30
Speaker 2: there with you? Among the best news South. I was Premiers.
34:33
Speaker 2: He said, well, the protesters shouldn't be able to protest
34:36
Speaker 2: outside any place of worship, as you said, not just
34:39
Speaker 2: the synagogue, any place of worship. And now the intel
34:42
Speaker 2: that you're getting tonight, Ray Hadley, is that the High
34:44
Speaker 2: Court might throw this law out even though it was
34:48
Speaker 2: supported by the Lower House and the Upper House.
34:51
Speaker 1: Yeah.
34:51
Speaker 12: Well that's what I'm getting from the men's government, from
34:54
Speaker 12: a very senior minister who I won't identify, but they're
34:57
Speaker 12: fearful that the High Court is on the cusp of
35:00
Speaker 12: knocking out this legislation, which would be catastrophic, not just
35:03
Speaker 12: for Jewish people, for all people.
35:05
Speaker 1: You should be able to worship in peace.
35:07
Speaker 3: This is about public safety.
35:09
Speaker 2: That something is going to go wrong here because these
35:11
Speaker 2: magistrates are making bad decisions.
35:14
Speaker 3: Someone is going to lose their life.
35:16
Speaker 12: Well, it's a miracle there weren't injuries and what happened
35:19
Speaker 12: the other day. But I also heard your comments earlier
35:22
Speaker 12: on your program about the ISIS flags, the terror flags,
35:27
Speaker 12: and you know we've got New South Wales police playing
35:29
Speaker 12: catch up, which they've been playing catch up since day one,
35:32
Speaker 12: from the first time they lined the streets of Sydney. Yeah,
35:35
Speaker 12: you know, and at that stage Israel had not responded
35:39
Speaker 12: to the murder of twelve hundred people, the rape of
35:41
Speaker 12: those people, the capture of two hundred and fifty one hostages.
35:46
Speaker 12: Israel hadn't responded, and the new South Wales government allowed
35:50
Speaker 12: the police to stand idly by and let people take
35:52
Speaker 12: over our streets in much.
35:53
Speaker 1: The same way legally.
35:54
Speaker 12: This time they took up the streets of the Sydney
35:57
Speaker 12: area and the Sydney Harbor Bridge.
35:58
Speaker 3: It's just catastrophe. It's been disappointing.
36:02
Speaker 2: But I also just want to acknowledge that you know,
36:05
Speaker 2: they have been working hard, the police, and in this
36:08
Speaker 2: particular protest on Sunday, they were given barely any notice
36:12
Speaker 2: and then a thousand of them had to turn up.
36:14
Speaker 2: Probably some of them aren't trained in which flag is
36:17
Speaker 2: a terror flag of.
36:18
Speaker 3: Just being a little bit understanding, But I share your first.
36:22
Speaker 12: All the frustration would be justice RIGG made the decision
36:25
Speaker 12: Saturday morning for Sunday protest, which didn't give them much
36:28
Speaker 12: time to play catch up exactly.
36:30
Speaker 2: Now let's have a look at this issue of the
36:32
Speaker 2: baby bonus now. John Howard has said that perhaps the
36:37
Speaker 2: Albanese government should consider reintroducing the baby bonus that his
36:41
Speaker 2: old Treasurer.
36:42
Speaker 3: Peter Costello did.
36:43
Speaker 2: Now, the situation we've got now is the Albanezi government
36:47
Speaker 2: keeps saying it's a lowering immigration and yet it's not
36:50
Speaker 2: us today a higher student intake despite.
36:53
Speaker 12: That two d and ninety five from two hundred and
36:56
Speaker 12: seventy thousand, when they're going to restrict it. They said
36:59
Speaker 12: before the ellection we had a strict the number of
37:01
Speaker 12: students coming to the country that are bumped it up
37:03
Speaker 12: by twenty five thousand.
37:04
Speaker 2: Broken promise, another broken promise, Oh, shock, horror.
37:07
Speaker 3: But the birth rate, the fertility rate is declining.
37:12
Speaker 1: Well, what did predicostelle?
37:13
Speaker 12: I say one for one, one for dad and one
37:15
Speaker 12: for me. Look, self interest takes over here. I missed out.
37:20
Speaker 12: I missed out last night. I missed out again.
37:23
Speaker 1: I'm out the pasture in regard to that.
37:25
Speaker 12: Maybe it'll help my children, I don't know, although they
37:27
Speaker 12: may have been out the.
37:29
Speaker 1: Pasture as well. I've got three, three and one and.
37:32
Speaker 12: One on the way, So congratulations, Little Sarah is having
37:36
Speaker 12: one in October to go with little Tommy.
37:39
Speaker 1: But look, I can see no fault with it.
37:41
Speaker 12: It seemed to work okay last time, and if they're
37:44
Speaker 12: going to throw money around one. I encourage people to
37:46
Speaker 12: have some children, you know, to keep the population growing
37:52
Speaker 12: without having to import people.
37:53
Speaker 2: I see, if you're a call from last time, there
37:55
Speaker 2: were a lot of plasma televisions that were bought as
37:58
Speaker 2: well world money.
38:00
Speaker 1: There's a reason for that, Sharhi. You know, occupying mines
38:04
Speaker 1: and things like that.
38:04
Speaker 3: To watch TV when you're breastfeeding very important, well.
38:08
Speaker 12: Exactly, but of course there's things that precede breastfeeding. So anyway, Yeah, look,
38:14
Speaker 12: I don't think it's a bad idea in all seriousness.
38:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's a good idea.
38:17
Speaker 2: And the immigration Are you worried about that, the fact
38:20
Speaker 2: that they're pushing that up?
38:21
Speaker 1: And well, I'm just worried about the lies they tell.
38:24
Speaker 12: I mean, there's a front page story today about green
38:27
Speaker 12: hydrogen in Queensland and that's all come asunder and there's
38:31
Speaker 12: lie after lie after lie propagated by this government and
38:34
Speaker 12: in that case by Casanova Bowen. But it just seems
38:37
Speaker 12: to me that this is another lie. They went to
38:40
Speaker 12: the electorate saying, look, there are too many students coming
38:42
Speaker 12: here in nationally the university's put on the blue and
38:45
Speaker 12: so that's our income stream, don't dare take that office.
38:48
Speaker 12: So what do we get today two hundred and seventy thousand,
38:51
Speaker 12: last year two hundred and ninety five thousand, and what
38:53
Speaker 12: we cracked the three hundred and fifty thousand mark in
38:55
Speaker 12: three years while they're still in government. I mean, it
38:58
Speaker 12: doesn't seem to make too much sense to me.
39:00
Speaker 2: With the green hydrogen thing, that issue was front page
39:03
Speaker 2: of The Australian today, you know, with the story about
39:06
Speaker 2: how a lot of the politicians were sucked in by
39:09
Speaker 2: twiggy forests fantasy and.
39:12
Speaker 12: They still got a water line coming from some remote
39:14
Speaker 12: part of Queensland to another part of Queensland, which is
39:17
Speaker 12: it's going to bring plenty of water, but not for
39:19
Speaker 12: what they wanted it for. And you know, I think
39:22
Speaker 12: the Stephen Miles's Deputy Premier and later lamentably the Premiere
39:27
Speaker 12: said this is one of the great things for Queensland.
39:30
Speaker 12: Gladston is going to prosper on the back of this. Well,
39:32
Speaker 12: Gladston's been left with a you know, sansho and a
39:35
Speaker 12: galosher in terms of how many jobs it brought.
39:37
Speaker 1: But it was on the.
39:38
Speaker 12: Front page of the Australian and well Doneder the Australian
39:40
Speaker 12: for identifying it.
39:41
Speaker 2: But also you just think of all the taxpayer money
39:44
Speaker 2: wasted in subsidies trying to make something work.
39:47
Speaker 3: It was never going to carry.
39:48
Speaker 1: It was only sixty million.
39:50
Speaker 12: I mean it was going to be over a billion,
39:52
Speaker 12: but it was only sixty million.
39:53
Speaker 1: It's to drop on the bucket for the Queensland.
39:55
Speaker 2: But I mean the green hydrogen scheme, yeah, yeah, yeah,
39:59
Speaker 2: Well it's Pine of the Sky stuff, like many of
40:03
Speaker 2: the things we talk about on a regular basis.
40:05
Speaker 12: Here I saw a clip this morning of Barnaby Joyce
40:08
Speaker 12: talking about renewables. He said, the last thing they are renewable,
40:11
Speaker 12: the carbon that they have to manufacture these. Let's go
40:14
Speaker 12: with wind farms with these structures and then when they've
40:18
Speaker 12: lived their life, they're going to be buried somewhere. How's
40:21
Speaker 12: that a renewable. I mean, it just it's a misnomer.
40:24
Speaker 2: It's extraordinary that the Albanezy government was re elected with
40:28
Speaker 2: such a landslide. I mean it comes down to the opposition.
40:33
Speaker 2: Peter Duttin was a good bloke, but who both of
40:37
Speaker 2: us rated extremely highest. Clearly he failed good blood, Yeah,
40:41
Speaker 2: failed to connect with Australians.
40:43
Speaker 3: Plus there was a campaign issue, but Susan Lee has
40:47
Speaker 3: no chance. Ray, what do you think about her?
40:49
Speaker 12: Well, I've said to you a number of times she
40:51
Speaker 12: wouldn't lead the Liberal Party or the coalition of the
40:53
Speaker 12: next election. I wouldn't think she's been singularly unimpressive as
40:57
Speaker 12: the opposition leader, and I mean she's doing her best,
41:01
Speaker 12: but I'm afraid in Susan's case, her best will not
41:04
Speaker 12: be good enough. And we're facing another period of time
41:07
Speaker 12: with anything the alban Easy or his successor in government.
41:09
Speaker 12: Unfortunately on the early stages of what happened after the
41:12
Speaker 12: May election. And like we've said before, I don't know
41:15
Speaker 12: who will lead them to victory next but it might
41:18
Speaker 12: not be someone in parliament or someone very prominent in
41:21
Speaker 12: Parliament at the moment from.
41:22
Speaker 1: The Liberal Party.
41:23
Speaker 3: Ye could be perhaps even Josh Fridenberg.
41:25
Speaker 12: We can hope Ah come back, Josh. We love Josh.
41:28
Speaker 12: He's a good man.
41:29
Speaker 3: Indeed. All right, Ray, hardly great to see you again.
41:31
Speaker 1: Thanks, good to see you, sharing all the best.
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Speaker 3: That's still to come.
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Speaker 2: Alban Ezi speaks with the Palestinian Authority President. As we've
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Speaker 2: been discussing, I'm going to get Dave Sharma and Camra
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Speaker 2: Milner's views on this, plus on the planned supertax and
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Speaker 2: how it could.
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Speaker 3: Already be backfiring. That's next. Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Well, the Albenzi government's unpopular supertax seems already to be backfiring.
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Speaker 2: Transports Kim Lindsay and Neil Mansel have revealed they are
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Speaker 2: pulling out of their self managed super funds.
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Speaker 3: Before the tax takes effect.
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Speaker 2: And longtime labor friend Lindsay Fox told The Australian. I
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Speaker 2: just think it is a bad policy. I don't know
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Speaker 2: why they would do it. It won't work. Let's bring
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Speaker 2: you now from a state Labor Secretary Camer Milner and
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Speaker 2: Liberal Senator Dave Sharma.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to you both. Now, Dave, this.
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Speaker 2: Was clearly bad policy to tax money that people don't
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Speaker 2: have in their pocket yet, and it seems that those
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Speaker 2: that it might affect are already restructuring their financial affairs
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Speaker 2: to avoid being hit.
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Speaker 13: Yeah. I think that's right. I mean there's three things
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Speaker 13: to say about this tax. I think firstly, it's not
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Speaker 13: going to work because people are going to restructure their
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Speaker 13: financial arrangements so they don't have unrealized gains and their
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Speaker 13: self managed super funds. Two, there's no reform element to
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Speaker 13: this at all. This is not about encouraging productivity or
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Speaker 13: driving investment or creating a more equitable tax burden. And lastly,
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Speaker 13: I mean this tax is almost certainly likely to in
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Speaker 13: fact hern investment because a lot of early stage investment
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Speaker 13: people do that from their self managed super funds. An
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Speaker 13: early stage investment being illiquid in nature, being in private
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Speaker 13: companies often leads to unrealized gains and also unrealized losses
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Speaker 13: because you're not able to liquidify the asset readily, and
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Speaker 13: that will put off investment in some of the most
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Speaker 13: promising parts of the Australian economy, early stage, high risk
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Speaker 13: growth orient at Australian companies.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not often discussed that it is going to
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Speaker 2: impact the startup sector as well.
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Speaker 3: Cameron, what do you think?
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Speaker 6: Well, I think Bill Kellty has nailed this, and obviously
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Speaker 6: Bill Kelly's work with Lindsay Fox over many years as well.
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Speaker 6: I mean Keating's called.
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Speaker 1: It out, Kelly's called out.
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Speaker 6: I mean I have a lot of time, as you know,
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Speaker 6: for Jim Chalmers, I think he's a genuine reformer. I
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Speaker 6: think he comes up with some really good ideas. This
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Speaker 6: one though, as the details come out. I think it's
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Speaker 6: become harder and harder to justify the unrealized h of
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Speaker 6: the capital gains. And to David's point, people will to
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Speaker 6: shift their arrangements if they're that wealthy, so it won't
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Speaker 6: actually create the revenue for the political pain that it's
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Speaker 6: going to cause.
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Speaker 1: At the front end.
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Speaker 2: Well, there's the productivity round table that's getting close now,
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Speaker 2: and yet there's a lot of talk we're hearing about
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Speaker 2: raising taxes also AI legislation. But you know, we're seeing
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Speaker 2: labor and PS on television speak publicly about raising taxes
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Speaker 2: as part of this roundtable.
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Speaker 3: Which which is meant to be about productivity. David, you
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Speaker 3: concerned with what you're hearing so far?
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Speaker 13: I'm very concerned. I mean, look, you know, we're in
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Speaker 13: a liberal party approach this summer, you know, with a
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Speaker 13: constructive attitude. Teed O'Brien, our shadow treasurer, is participating, and
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Speaker 13: if the government is genuinely interested in reform, we will
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Speaker 13: offer bipartisan support to reforms we think are in the
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Speaker 13: nation's interest. But I think the most alarming thing is
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Speaker 13: there has been no mention of spending restraint in the
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Speaker 13: lead up to this summit. Now, government spending is growing
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Speaker 13: at four times the rate of the economy, six percent
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Speaker 13: versus half percent in real terms. We've seen the size
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Speaker 13: of the federal government or federal government spending go from
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Speaker 13: twenty four percent of GDP just a few years ago
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Speaker 13: to twenty seven percent of GDP now at the moment,
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Speaker 13: four and five jobs that are being created are being
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Speaker 13: created in sectors that the government funds, the so called
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Speaker 13: non market sector. Now, all of that is a recipe
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Speaker 13: for a very sick load productivity, low growth economy. And
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Speaker 13: the biggest thing to tackle here is spending restraint, and
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Speaker 13: that doesn't seem to be anywhere amongst any of the
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Speaker 13: talking points or any of the suggestions about what might
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Speaker 13: emerge from this.
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Speaker 3: I want to just.
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Speaker 2: Move on to the topic of Palestinian statehood. I've spoken
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Speaker 2: about it a lot tonight, but Cameron, I can't not
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Speaker 2: ask you about it because you wrote about it in
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Speaker 2: your nightly column this week. You said that the recognition
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Speaker 2: of Palestinian statehood immediately would simply further legitimize the control
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Speaker 2: of the murderous terrorists. So you know, what do you
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Speaker 2: think is happening here? This is not traditional policy of
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Speaker 2: the A Party that you support. I mean, of course,
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Speaker 2: in the past, a two state solution has been the ideal.
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Speaker 2: But right now, when Hamas is still in control in
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Speaker 2: Gaza and no one seems to be recognizing Israel's right
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Speaker 2: to exist, how can this be put accelerated by the
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Speaker 2: Albanese government.
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Speaker 6: Well, it's because the radical left of the Labor Party,
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Speaker 6: who've been getting more and more votes Labour Party conferences,
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Speaker 6: are finally now in leadership. When the Tony Burks and
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Speaker 6: Penny Wongs are senior Albanese cabinet.
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Speaker 1: Ministers and they've held these pro.
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Speaker 6: Palestinian, anti Israel views for conference after conference, they're finally
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Speaker 6: in charge.
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Speaker 1: That's the problem.
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Speaker 6: I mean, Penny Wong would love to see, you know,
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Speaker 6: a Palestine state and has no plan to remove Hamas,
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Speaker 6: but that the Palestinian state woods are supposedly the ideal.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is just.
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Speaker 6: Incredibly bad policy, incredibly bad politics, and to your point,
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Speaker 6: denies absolutely the sovereign right of Israel to exist safely
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Speaker 6: and securely, and up until October sixth they were, So
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Speaker 6: let's not put that to one side too. I mean,
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Speaker 6: Israel is open this region for decades and decades peacefully
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Speaker 6: until Hamas as a terrorist organization, use Gaza as a
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Speaker 6: launching pad to slaughter twelve hundred people and continue a
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Speaker 6: war for two years that's now left Gazans suffering from
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Speaker 6: starvation and deprivation because of Hamas, And yet Penny one
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Speaker 6: would reward them by giving them a sea at the UN.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, and Dave, this is the contradiction, you could call
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Speaker 2: it the fantasy in the Albanesi government's position, they say
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Speaker 2: Hamas can have no role in the future governing of Gaza.
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Speaker 2: They say the hostages must be brought home, and they
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Speaker 2: say Israel must and the war. So how will Hamas
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Speaker 2: be removed? And who's going to bring home the hostages
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Speaker 2: if Israel won't do it?
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Speaker 13: Well, that's right, And we've seen this sort of move
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Speaker 13: towards recognition by parts of the international community UK, France, Canada,
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Speaker 13: Australia what it has done. I'm sure that the architects
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Speaker 13: of this policy didn't intend it to be the case,
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Speaker 13: but it was always like that to happened. Is it's
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Speaker 13: imboltant to musk We've seen reports that a ceasefi ideal
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Speaker 13: that was close that was being negotiated by Steve Widkoff
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Speaker 13: Trump's Special Envoy Hamas has now changed the terms until
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Speaker 13: they're not going to agree to a cease finale until
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Speaker 13: they have a fully fledged state and a capital in Jerusalem.
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Speaker 13: So they've shifted the goalpost because they see that the
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Speaker 13: international community is not serious about their removal, and parts
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Speaker 13: of the international community quite cynically are using the public's
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Speaker 13: legitimate concern about the awful humanitarian situation in Gaza and saying, well,
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Speaker 13: this is how we're going to address it through recognition
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Speaker 13: of the Palestinian state. The truth is it will do
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Speaker 13: nothing to alleviate the humanitarian situation, it will emboldend Hamas,
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Speaker 13: and it's not going to make a Palestinian state any
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Speaker 13: more likely. I mean, recognition by Australia or the UK,
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Speaker 13: or Canada or France is not going to bring about
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Speaker 13: a Palestinian state. Only the UN Security Council can do
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Speaker 13: that and the US there. But that can only come
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Speaker 13: about if Israeli. That's why it's always been and negotiated
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Speaker 13: to date.
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Speaker 5: Solution.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, indeed, okay.
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Speaker 2: Just quickly, Putin's alleged secret daughter has come out swinging
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Speaker 2: against her father online. She reportedly posted on social media
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Speaker 2: saying it's liberating to be able to show my face
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Speaker 2: to the world again. It reminds me of who I
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Speaker 2: am and who destroyed my life very quickly. Cameron, you
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Speaker 2: think she'd be worried about her safety after this, well.
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Speaker 6: And she was a big, big Instagram influencer just a
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Speaker 6: couple of years ago before her father declared war in
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Speaker 6: the Ukraine. Look, I think anything that brings attention just
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Speaker 6: how awful putiny is and how awful this war is
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Speaker 6: in Ukraine is worthwhile. Whether she's the daughter or not,
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Speaker 6: who knows, but at least it's bringing attention to this
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Speaker 6: awful war that's got to end.
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Speaker 2: No indeed, all right, Dave Cameron, thank you both so much.
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Speaker 2: We'll be back after this quick break.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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