Latest / I Do, Part 2 / The Worst Passive Aggressive Phrases We All Use… And What To Say Instead
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- 0:02Speaker 1: Hey there, everybody welcome. It is Saturday, July eighteenth, and
- 0:07Speaker 1: we are talking about something that we all do, some
- 0:12Speaker 1: of us more than other, and that is take that
- 0:16Speaker 1: passive aggressive approach to relationships. And we have six of
- 0:21Speaker 1: the most passive aggressive phrases that I would argue probably
- 0:26Speaker 1: each of us have uttered and some of us have
- 0:29Speaker 1: said daily. And so we're going to go over some
- 0:33Speaker 1: of these phrases that I laughed out loud because I
- 0:36Speaker 1: had to take full accountability of absolutely being guilty of
- 0:40Speaker 1: saying them and offer an alternative way to say what
- 0:44Speaker 1: you really mean. And with that, everyone, welcome to this
- 0:49Speaker 1: episode of Amy and TJ. Would you say that you
- 0:52Speaker 1: have been can be passive aggressive? No, you don't think
- 0:56Speaker 1: you are not at all? All right, it'll be interesting.
- 0:58Speaker 2: I'm actually I would say that because you actually get
- 1:01Speaker 2: onto me for being too direct, too clear, and I
- 1:03Speaker 2: don't dance around stuff and need to get a point across.
- 1:07Speaker 2: That is true, but there is something.
- 1:09Speaker 1: There are things that people do that are passive aggressive
- 1:12Speaker 1: that aren't necessarily freezing. So the point being is, at
- 1:16Speaker 1: least according to the experts, everybody has a version of it,
- 1:20Speaker 1: and yes, some people are way worse than others, and
- 1:23Speaker 1: I will take full accountability. I am among that group
- 1:26Speaker 1: and I am working on it. But what does passive
- 1:28Speaker 1: aggressive mean? I thought this is a really because look,
- 1:32Speaker 1: we use that word, and we'd say that people are
- 1:35Speaker 1: we throw all sorts of labels around, But here is
- 1:37Speaker 1: what it actually means. It's when you express negative emotions
- 1:43Speaker 1: like anger or hostility in an indirect manner, particularly in
- 1:48Speaker 1: a way that is easily deniable or not directly linked
- 1:52Speaker 1: to you. And so it's classified as a defense mechanism.
- 1:55Speaker 1: And this makes a lot of sense because basically, what
- 1:58Speaker 1: you're doing when you're being passive aggressive is you're defending
- 2:00Speaker 1: yourself from potential pain of expressing your anger directly and
- 2:06Speaker 1: then reaping the response from the person who you are
- 2:10Speaker 1: putting it towards. You're trying to avoid accountability, You're trying
- 2:13Speaker 1: to avoid getting anger being directed back at you for
- 2:17Speaker 1: expressing something that you're uncomfortable with.
- 2:19Speaker 2: Man, it's a lot heavier and complicated than I thought,
- 2:22Speaker 2: but all that makes sense.
- 2:23Speaker 1: Yes, yes, okay, So and look they say this tends
- 2:25Speaker 1: to be this happens to people who are either avoidant
- 2:31Speaker 1: or conflict averse. So maybe you've grown up and you've
- 2:33Speaker 1: tried to avoid conflict, and so this is how you
- 2:36Speaker 1: try to avoid conflict, but oftentimes you create more conflict
- 2:40Speaker 1: by trying to avoid conflict, or it happens in a
- 2:43Speaker 1: lot of people who lack self esteem, and it could
- 2:45Speaker 1: be a combination of all of the three. But they
- 2:48Speaker 1: say passive aggressiveness can show up in many forms, and
- 2:51Speaker 1: this is what I thought was interesting. Yes, and the
- 2:53Speaker 1: way you say things, how you phrase things, giving people
- 2:57Speaker 1: the silent treatment, that is absolutely passive aggressive because you
- 3:00Speaker 1: are not directly addressing the issue. Pouting is passive aggressive.
- 3:06Speaker 1: And procrastinating on a task that you agreed to do
- 3:10Speaker 1: that's also passive aggressive because you're finding a way to
- 3:12Speaker 1: get back at someone without actually saying it.
- 3:14Speaker 2: That didn't own that sounded eventful, that sounded that's no
- 3:17Speaker 2: way to be to get people back. Listen to this
- 3:20Speaker 2: example they gave.
- 3:21Speaker 1: I wasn't even gonna include it, but I read it
- 3:22Speaker 1: and I laughed out loud, and I thought, that's just mean.
- 3:25Speaker 1: That's not passive aggressive. They suggested an example of that
- 3:29Speaker 1: was you agreed to pick someone up at the train
- 3:32Speaker 1: station and then you just forget what.
- 3:36Speaker 2: That's terrible, Dammit, you know what you just gave me
- 3:38Speaker 2: what last season Huda's last date with the Big Black Eye,
- 3:44Speaker 2: and you wouldn't carry across the water? Absolutely, absolutely, they
- 3:49Speaker 2: refused to be a gentleman to her anymore because they
- 3:52Speaker 2: just broke up. That was an amazing scene, by the way,
- 3:55Speaker 2: you could forget that the woman that came out and
- 3:57Speaker 2: saying at the end it was so uncomfortable. We got
- 3:59Speaker 2: to go back and why they.
- 4:00Speaker 1: Created this whole romantic setting where they thought they were
- 4:03Speaker 1: either gonna you know, fall deeper in love. Instead they
- 4:05Speaker 1: broke up and then he refused to carry her over
- 4:08Speaker 1: the water.
- 4:09Speaker 2: So what that was? That was a bad moment, But
- 4:11Speaker 2: again passive aggressive. We don't know how to react when
- 4:14Speaker 2: we're hurt.
- 4:15Speaker 1: There you go, all right, so these phrases, babe, you
- 4:18Speaker 1: were gonna laugh out loud? And then so they this
- 4:22Speaker 1: isn't in any order. This is just number one.
- 4:25Speaker 2: Can I ask something? But do they have any statistics
- 4:28Speaker 2: or any breakdown of is this stuff? Men and women
- 4:31Speaker 2: both do this?
- 4:32Speaker 1: The article said everybody does it, you can, and some
- 4:35Speaker 1: people do it more than others. But I didn't see
- 4:39Speaker 1: that in this article. But that would be an interesting question. Yeah,
- 4:43Speaker 1: I don't know what that would be. That's interesting. Okay,
- 4:46Speaker 1: first phrase, good for you.
- 4:50Speaker 2: Yeah, man, that's that's that's I've heard you say that
- 4:55Speaker 2: several times. Good for you. It is one of the
- 4:56Speaker 2: nastiest things I hate, because you're you're expressing that you're
- 5:01Speaker 2: not happy for somebody who actually had something positive happened
- 5:05Speaker 2: to them. Is how it's that's not.
- 5:07Speaker 1: One that I know, one that I've said that, one
- 5:09Speaker 1: I did not know was in my vernacular. Oh yeah,
- 5:13Speaker 1: good for you. This can be envy or resentment lurking
- 5:16Speaker 1: below the surface, and it's truly a statement about unfairness.
- 5:20Speaker 1: So you just need to express that it's unfair, and
- 5:23Speaker 1: they say instead, try to if someone needs to be congratulated,
- 5:26Speaker 1: sincerely congratulating the other person. But then you can also
- 5:29Speaker 1: acknowledge that you feel it's unfair, or you could say
- 5:32Speaker 1: can you help me strategize ways to get where you are,
- 5:36Speaker 1: or to just acknowledge that you feel pain that if
- 5:39Speaker 1: there is something that needs to be addressed and you
- 5:41Speaker 1: need to get out the feeling, you have to be
- 5:43Speaker 1: direct about it. You can't say good for you.
- 5:46Speaker 2: Okay. See this, I took this totally differently because usually
- 5:49Speaker 2: when it comes out. It's not a matter of anybody
- 5:52Speaker 2: having a confrontation. There is no problem, there is no issue.
- 5:55Speaker 2: It's just someone is jealous. Someone is jealous of something
- 5:59Speaker 2: that the other person good for you, Like you're you're
- 6:01Speaker 2: so upset to see them celebrating in the moment, you're
- 6:03Speaker 2: so upset to see that success, and then you just
- 6:06Speaker 2: kind of good for you. I see it presented in
- 6:11Speaker 2: that manner to where, uh, there is no the two
- 6:14Speaker 2: of us don't have beef, but you can't be happy
- 6:16Speaker 2: for me, so good for you.
- 6:19Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't remember feeling that towards you. That's so interesting.
- 6:23Speaker 1: Another one. I'm sorry you feel that way. Obviously, this
- 6:26Speaker 1: is terrible you're saying. I stand by what I said,
- 6:30Speaker 1: and I'm sorry you're having this reaction to it.
- 6:32Speaker 2: But it's your problem. That should never that phrase should
- 6:35Speaker 2: never be uttered.
- 6:36Speaker 1: And people use it all Yeah time.
- 6:38Speaker 2: That should go up in like the level of some
- 6:40Speaker 2: things that just that should never come out of a
- 6:43Speaker 2: person's mouth. There's no good that can come. Yes, get
- 6:46Speaker 2: rid of that, folks y, don't ever ever ever say
- 6:48Speaker 2: that again. I will absolutely say that.
- 6:50Speaker 1: I have said that before, and the moment I say it,
- 6:52Speaker 1: I think, at least as of late, I rescind it
- 6:55Speaker 1: because I realize, holy hell, that is awful. I stand
- 6:58Speaker 1: by what I said, and I'm sorry you're having a
- 7:00Speaker 1: reaction to it. That is what I'm sorry you feel
- 7:03Speaker 1: that way means. And I think a lot of times
- 7:04Speaker 1: that's very like intentional, like you know what you're saying
- 7:07Speaker 1: when you say that.
- 7:08Speaker 2: Don't we see that in a lot of apologies, like
- 7:10Speaker 2: public apologies, they've take taking responsibility. Yeah, I'm sorry what
- 7:14Speaker 2: I said made you feel that way kind of a thing,
- 7:16Speaker 2: But I still stand by what I said. I'm sorry
- 7:18Speaker 2: that you were upset by my words.
- 7:20Speaker 1: Yes, so they say instead I love that in this
- 7:24Speaker 1: article they give you what you can say instead, instead
- 7:27Speaker 1: take accountability. Say I'm sorry I hurt you. Or you
- 7:32Speaker 1: say I apologize that what I said caused you pain.
- 7:36Speaker 2: That's a better way to say it. But not being
- 7:38Speaker 2: sorry for what you said that was a two different things.
- 7:40Speaker 1: Well, maybe you aren't sorry for what you said, and
- 7:42Speaker 1: that can still be true. You don't have to be
- 7:44Speaker 1: passive aggressive about it. You can say I'm sorry I
- 7:46Speaker 1: hurt you, I'm sorry my words hurt you.
- 7:49Speaker 2: When you said I this is not a good dress
- 7:52Speaker 2: for you. I'm sorry you didn't take that well.
- 7:57Speaker 1: I'm sorry my words hurt you. Then just don't add but.
- 8:01Speaker 2: Still a bad dress. But I'm sorry I shouldn't have
- 8:03Speaker 2: said that.
- 8:05Speaker 1: I mean, what do you do if you're honestly saying
- 8:07Speaker 1: something to someone though? I mean, I don't think you
- 8:09Speaker 1: can lie. You can just say I'm sorry I hurt you, babe.
- 8:13Speaker 2: See, this goes into a different lane. I think passive
- 8:15Speaker 2: aggressive comes with some malintent. I think passive aggressive is
- 8:20Speaker 2: something when when there is some conflict between those two individuals.
- 8:26Speaker 2: I think you can say things wrong and not be passive.
- 8:30Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I find it.
- 8:33Speaker 1: I went back to go look at what they actually
- 8:35Speaker 1: This is what an expert said. It's classified as a
- 8:38Speaker 1: defense mechanism because you're defending yourself from potential pain of
- 8:43Speaker 1: expressing your anger.
- 8:45Speaker 2: So you so it, Okay, Yes, that's a good way
- 8:49Speaker 2: to Maybe you.
- 8:50Speaker 1: Don't demonize the other person for doing it. You can
- 8:52Speaker 1: actually have pity for them because they don't have the
- 8:56Speaker 1: confidence or the self awareness to be able to be
- 9:00Speaker 1: direct with how they're feeling. And so if that's maybe
- 9:03Speaker 1: a way to look at someone through that lens. It
- 9:05Speaker 1: might help the person who's being offended that it's actually
- 9:09Speaker 1: a defense mechanism by the other person. Here's another one.
- 9:14Speaker 1: It's fine. You do say that it's fine.
- 9:19Speaker 2: Daily, several times a day, maybe in different variations. Oh good, yes,
- 9:26Speaker 2: exact same thing.
- 9:27Speaker 1: Okay, So here's what they say that really means what
- 9:29Speaker 1: you're really saying. You're testing the other person. You're hoping
- 9:33Speaker 1: that the other person will take action to address the
- 9:35Speaker 1: fact that you're not actually fine. But you're not asking
- 9:38Speaker 1: for support or attention.
- 9:42Speaker 2: I didn't get that last part.
- 9:42Speaker 1: But you're refusing to ask for the support or attention,
- 9:45Speaker 1: and you're hoping that the other person will just take
- 9:48Speaker 1: action to address the fact that you're not actually fine.
- 9:51Speaker 2: Well, you lost me in the last part. But yes
- 9:53Speaker 2: the first part, Yes, I do this, and you see
- 9:57Speaker 2: me do this. When I say it's fine, I am
- 10:00Speaker 2: am off to the races in handling whatever the thing
- 10:03Speaker 2: is that needed to get me.
- 10:04Speaker 1: But you're shutting me out of it, and I feel
- 10:06Speaker 1: responsible for it, and I remember feeling like you feel
- 10:09Speaker 1: a little helpless. But what Yeah, yes, they say the
- 10:12Speaker 1: what the what you should say instead is lol, you
- 10:16Speaker 1: should tell the other person how you're actually feeling.
- 10:20Speaker 2: Yeah, tell about you're actually feeling. Okay, I get what
- 10:24Speaker 2: they're saying. I can agree with I'm I'm making it
- 10:26Speaker 2: too personal and that's why I'm taking issue with it.
- 10:28Speaker 2: But no, no, that makes sense. That makes okay.
- 10:30Speaker 1: Here's here's the fourth one. This Honestly, I hate this
- 10:34Speaker 1: word so much. And if I ever say this to you, babe,
- 10:38Speaker 1: tell me you said this was your your least favorite word.
- 10:42Speaker 2: You don't think you say it, I absolutely might have to.
- 10:44Speaker 1: I will not say that I didn't, but I when
- 10:47Speaker 1: I when I see this word, it actually makes my
- 10:50Speaker 1: chest tightened. Whatever that is an awful word. No one
- 10:56Speaker 1: should ever say that, So I like this. They say
- 11:00Speaker 1: it usually comes up after you've tried to explain your
- 11:02Speaker 1: viewpoint a few times, maybe even to no avail, and
- 11:06Speaker 1: then you just resign, resign yourself to not being understood,
- 11:09Speaker 1: and you say whatever, yeah.
- 11:12Speaker 2: And the way you just said it, whatever is never
- 11:15Speaker 2: said without that inflection. You just have the end, right,
- 11:19Speaker 2: you go, whatever, you go? Whatever. Yes, it's always yes.
- 11:23Speaker 2: That is a nasty word.
- 11:25Speaker 1: I think it's one of the nastiest words in the
- 11:28Speaker 1: English dictionary. And I didn't realize it until I saw
- 11:31Speaker 1: it on print, and it was so funny how it
- 11:33Speaker 1: created a I actually had a visceral reaction to seeing
- 11:36Speaker 1: the word whatever. And I am not saying that I
- 11:38Speaker 1: have not done that. I'm not trying to say I'm
- 11:40Speaker 1: some saying here. I'm pretty sure I've done it. But
- 11:43Speaker 1: when I saw it, it reminded me. Never say that word.
- 11:46Speaker 2: And you know it can almost come all hum and worse,
- 11:49Speaker 2: be a text. Oh you have texted that to me?
- 11:53Speaker 1: You have? Actually, that's hilarious, Oh my goodness. Okay, instead,
- 11:58Speaker 1: this is funny. I can't I can't hear you saying
- 12:00Speaker 1: this or me saying this, but they suggest you say
- 12:03Speaker 1: this instead. Hey, it seems like we're not really hearing
- 12:06Speaker 1: each other. Let's talk about what you like and I'll
- 12:08Speaker 1: tell you what I don't like, and maybe we can
- 12:10Speaker 1: find a compromise.
- 12:11Speaker 2: Okay, some variation of that. I understand the sentiment there.
- 12:14Speaker 1: Yes, like Okay, obviously we're not agreeing on something, so
- 12:18Speaker 1: let's try to find a compromise instead of just going whatever.
- 12:22Speaker 2: And so it should that word should always be a
- 12:25Speaker 2: part of a full sentence. It should never be whatever
- 12:28Speaker 2: should never be the full sentence. It has to be accompanied.
- 12:31Speaker 2: Whatever you'd like to do today sounds great to me.
- 12:35Speaker 2: Whatever happens at the end of this happened, or it
- 12:37Speaker 2: should be a full sentence. Yes, whatever is without sarcasm
- 12:40Speaker 2: out can never ever be a one sentence. It never
- 12:44Speaker 2: should be used alone. Yes, you know what.
- 12:45Speaker 1: I love this episode because I am learning things like
- 12:48Speaker 1: when it's out there and it's put in print and
- 12:51Speaker 1: it's explained, you can actually process it in a way
- 12:54Speaker 1: when you're not in an argument, when you're not in
- 12:56Speaker 1: a conflict, and you can tell yourself, I choose not
- 12:59Speaker 1: to do this.
- 13:00Speaker 2: I choose not to use these phrases.
- 13:02Speaker 1: And now that we're on the record with these phrases,
- 13:04Speaker 1: I promise you I am going to do my best
- 13:07Speaker 1: not to say them, and if I do, I will
- 13:09Speaker 1: take accountability for saying them.
- 13:10Speaker 2: You don't use these no, you know was the one
- 13:12Speaker 2: at the top of you said.
- 13:13Speaker 1: You, and I was like, wow, good for you. I
- 13:16Speaker 1: will never say that you used that before. Yeah, and
- 13:18Speaker 1: you've said whatever.
- 13:19Speaker 2: That's not a common thing you used And the rest
- 13:21Speaker 2: of this is common.
- 13:22Speaker 1: But when we come back, we have two more and
- 13:26Speaker 1: they are doozies. Welcome back everyone to this episode of
- 13:39Speaker 1: Amy and TJ. We are talking about some of the
- 13:42Speaker 1: most passive aggressive phrases that you have probably said, and
- 13:48Speaker 1: maybe you even say them daily. And look, I do
- 13:51Speaker 1: think I love the idea of not demonizing the person
- 13:55Speaker 1: who is being passive aggressive, but trying to understand that
- 13:58Speaker 1: this is a defense mechanism. This is someone who is
- 14:00Speaker 1: either insecure, someone who is trying to protect their feelings,
- 14:04Speaker 1: who is conflict avoidant. And if you can try to
- 14:07Speaker 1: look at it through that lens, maybe you'll be a
- 14:09Speaker 1: little less offended when you're the recipient of passive aggressiveness.
- 14:13Speaker 1: And hopefully this will make folks aware when you are
- 14:17Speaker 1: the passive aggressor. Is that a word or a phrase
- 14:20Speaker 1: when you are the passive aggressor that you stop yourself
- 14:24Speaker 1: and say, wow, I am avoiding what I really need
- 14:27Speaker 1: to say. I am avoiding actually being honest and direct,
- 14:31Speaker 1: and I have been working on being more direct. I
- 14:33Speaker 1: fully recognize that I have leaned on some of this
- 14:37Speaker 1: and it's not healthy and oftentimes it leads to greater conflict.
- 14:41Speaker 2: Would you not say, wait, that was a lot Then
- 14:44Speaker 2: you're a.
- 14:44Speaker 1: Passive aggressive You're trying to avoid conflict. A lot of
- 14:47Speaker 1: times you're trying to get the message across without taking accountability.
- 14:51Speaker 2: For extending the message, which is.
- 14:53Speaker 1: A total crap way to go about life. But sometimes
- 14:56Speaker 1: that breeds more resentment and creates more problems versus rather
- 15:00Speaker 1: addressing how you're feeling, even if it hurts in the
- 15:02Speaker 1: moment to the other person.
- 15:04Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought about the back and forth or back
- 15:08Speaker 2: and forth you and I often have when you're always
- 15:10Speaker 2: asking me, what do you mean? What does that really mean?
- 15:14Speaker 2: What is wrong? And all these things? And I stop
- 15:16Speaker 2: you and I say, Babe, do you think I have
- 15:18Speaker 2: any problem telling you that I have a problem with you.
- 15:21Speaker 2: I'm just I say that to you all the time.
- 15:24Speaker 2: You're trying to interpret so much of what's going on,
- 15:27Speaker 2: where I really, sincerely don't have a problem knowing you.
- 15:31Speaker 2: I got a problem with you, right.
- 15:32Speaker 1: I think sometimes you're just mad at a situation or
- 15:34Speaker 1: at the world, or at events, and they have nothing
- 15:37Speaker 1: to do with me. And I'm trying to determine if
- 15:38Speaker 1: I was a part of it. When I say how
- 15:41Speaker 1: you doing, You're like terrific. I know you're not terrific.
- 15:44Speaker 1: That's just sarcasm.
- 15:45Speaker 2: We do that jokingly. Now, that's not mudding the waters. Now, no,
- 15:48Speaker 2: that's just sarcasm.
- 15:49Speaker 1: Oh okay, here is the next passive aggressive phrase. I
- 15:54Speaker 1: don't know if we use this one, but well if
- 15:56Speaker 1: you say so. If you say so, I don't think
- 16:02Speaker 1: I get it. But no, that's not in our house.
- 16:04Speaker 2: I don't think we do this often.
- 16:06Speaker 1: So what this is basically saying, you're communicating that you
- 16:09Speaker 1: don't wish to continue the conversation, and even if that
- 16:12Speaker 1: person does continue, you really don't have any interest or
- 16:15Speaker 1: investment in what's being said.
- 16:17Speaker 2: If you say so, this is the cousin of whatever.
- 16:21Speaker 2: This is the same thing.
- 16:23Speaker 1: That is such a good way to put it. I
- 16:26Speaker 1: think it's actually a nicer cousin to whatever. If you
- 16:29Speaker 1: say so, you are completely dismissing what that person is saying.
- 16:33Speaker 1: But it is a go to phrase that people lean on,
- 16:35Speaker 1: so they suggest instead say this, I'm not sure I
- 16:40Speaker 1: understand what you're saying. Could you please clarify what you mean,
- 16:43Speaker 1: because then at least you care what they mean, You
- 16:46Speaker 1: care what they're trying to communicate, versus just brushing it off.
- 16:49Speaker 2: If you say so, but you're essentially that sounds like
- 16:53Speaker 2: a rejection of what they're saying. It sounds like you're disagreeing, yeah,
- 16:57Speaker 2: without doing it. It's like you are almost capitulating. You're
- 17:01Speaker 2: almost just caving even though you know you're right. It's
- 17:04Speaker 2: almost one of those Okay, i'll let you have it,
- 17:07Speaker 2: you say so, I love it.
- 17:08Speaker 1: It's the cousin of whatever I'll let you have it?
- 17:11Speaker 2: Is that not on there?
- 17:12Speaker 1: No, But that's like, yes, they're all related, all of
- 17:15Speaker 1: those phrases. So, but I do like the idea if
- 17:17Speaker 1: you could just say, look, I don't understand what you're saying,
- 17:20Speaker 1: could you clarify? Like even that shows you care, you
- 17:24Speaker 1: want to know, you want to learn.
- 17:25Speaker 2: It's better than if you say so.
- 17:28Speaker 1: And here's one that I will fully This is the
- 17:31Speaker 1: one that I will fully cop to, and you might
- 17:33Speaker 1: get I might get a rise out of you on
- 17:35Speaker 1: this one because I'm admitting it. I don't say it
- 17:37Speaker 1: exactly like this, but I have reference this.
- 17:40Speaker 2: You're just too sensitive and that's something you I mean,
- 17:44Speaker 2: you rail against the idea of any guy ever saying
- 17:48Speaker 2: that something like that to you, being told you're sensitive.
- 17:51Speaker 2: You're ridiculous.
- 17:52Speaker 1: You're being I hate that, You're ridangulous, You're out of it. Yeah,
- 17:56Speaker 1: that whole calm down.
- 17:59Speaker 2: Oh, Yeah, that's your ridiculous. That's all on the same vein.
- 18:02Speaker 2: If you're dismissing or you're justifying, you're only behaving that
- 18:06Speaker 2: way because you're not rational, calm, mature like me. You're
- 18:10Speaker 2: behaving this way because there's a deficiency, there's a problem
- 18:13Speaker 2: with you that's causing you to act that way.
- 18:16Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awful, and you're gonna appreciate this. The way
- 18:19Speaker 1: they describe you're just too sensitive. What you're really saying
- 18:23Speaker 1: is why are you so weak that you can't handle
- 18:27Speaker 1: the pain I just inflicted on you?
- 18:30Speaker 2: Sensitive? And again, that is something in terms you're talking
- 18:34Speaker 2: to a woman talking to a man, a woman coming
- 18:38Speaker 2: to a man saying something like that, a man is
- 18:42Speaker 2: not supposed to express himself or be hurt or be
- 18:45Speaker 2: sensitive when you all do that to us, and the
- 18:48Speaker 2: reaction then, oftentimes from a woman, is why is this
- 18:51Speaker 2: man not taking it? Those are the dynamics. I keep
- 18:55Speaker 2: going back to Casey, so true. I'll keep going back
- 18:58Speaker 2: to Casey on Love Island. Yes, yes, Bro's that happens.
- 19:02Speaker 2: So I don't know. So you all aren't giving men
- 19:04Speaker 2: the permission to be soft and sensitive and what you want,
- 19:09Speaker 2: because when we do it? What's wrong with you? Why
- 19:13Speaker 2: you can't take it? Why are you not being man enough?
- 19:15Speaker 2: And all these things?
- 19:16Speaker 1: Man up right.
- 19:17Speaker 2: But then, on the other flip side, if a guy
- 19:19Speaker 2: says that to a woman who is already considered the kinder, softer,
- 19:24Speaker 2: and more sensitive gender, you don't want to hear that shit.
- 19:28Speaker 1: No, you do not. You're just too sensitive. But I do,
- 19:31Speaker 1: like I do appreciate. Just the next time you think
- 19:33Speaker 1: about saying that to someone, remember you are saying, why
- 19:37Speaker 1: are you so weak that you can't handle the pain
- 19:40Speaker 1: I just inflicted on you? You are absolutely deflecting and
- 19:44Speaker 1: not holding yourself accountable for the pain you caused. Whether
- 19:47Speaker 1: you think it's justified or not. That person is in pain.
- 19:50Speaker 1: We have had this conversation, and I think that's really interesting,
- 19:53Speaker 1: and instead they say you should say this. I think
- 19:56Speaker 1: this is beautiful. I can see that I hurt you
- 19:59Speaker 1: and I'm very sorry for that. I'd like to understand
- 20:02Speaker 1: how I hurt you so I don't do it again.
- 20:05Speaker 1: Can you tell me what upset you? And that's about
- 20:08Speaker 1: wanting to understand, because it is absolutely true that you
- 20:11Speaker 1: can piss someone off and do something, and you could
- 20:13Speaker 1: hurt someone and not have intended it or not have
- 20:16Speaker 1: realized that you did it. But don't dismiss the fact
- 20:18Speaker 1: that they're hurt. Don't say they're being ridiculous. Get curious
- 20:22Speaker 1: instead of defensive. I think that is the key.
- 20:25Speaker 2: I think in relationship it's few and four between that
- 20:27Speaker 2: part you read that you might not know that you
- 20:30Speaker 2: upset somebody, You might not know what actually set them off.
- 20:34Speaker 2: This is the problem with that phrase about your being
- 20:37Speaker 2: too sensitive. You know exactly what the hell you did
- 20:40Speaker 2: to upset this person, and you're so And I find
- 20:43Speaker 2: that on the other side of that, folks can't handle
- 20:46Speaker 2: the idea of hurting. You don't want to be the
- 20:49Speaker 2: bad guy in a situation, absolutely, so you have to
- 20:53Speaker 2: find a reason that your reaction to what I did
- 20:55Speaker 2: is the problem. And it's not really what I did. Man,
- 20:58Speaker 2: this is this. We could do this all time, yeah,
- 21:00Speaker 2: the past.
- 21:01Speaker 1: And so it's so interesting the passive aggressive phrases that
- 21:04Speaker 1: we all go to and really there and I love
- 21:07Speaker 1: the beginning of this. They are all defense mechanisms and
- 21:11Speaker 1: they all require you if you're the person saying these phrases,
- 21:16Speaker 1: then you need to examine why you're using them, why
- 21:21Speaker 1: you're relying on them and actually get honest with yourself
- 21:24Speaker 1: and dig deep and say why am I avoiding conflict
- 21:29Speaker 1: and trying to defend myself instead of trying to understand
- 21:32Speaker 1: the actual situation. So I thought this was so interesting
- 21:37Speaker 1: and for me, like just seeing those phrases life changing.
- 21:40Speaker 1: And I think we can all commit to not our
- 21:43Speaker 1: doing our best not to utter them. And if we do,
- 21:47Speaker 1: recognize it immediately and take accountability for it, what have
- 21:53Speaker 1: I think what you meant to say is I'm Sorah.
- 21:55Speaker 1: I didn't exactly understand what you say.
- 21:57Speaker 2: Can you clarify that for me? You say so It's fine,
- 22:03Speaker 2: And with.
- 22:03Speaker 1: That, everyone, we hope you have a wonderful day today.
- 22:06Speaker 2: We always appreciate you listening to us.
- 22:08Speaker 1: I made me Brobok alongside d J.
- 22:10Speaker 2: Holmes. We'll talk Si