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Nick Shirley’s Source Speaks: David Hoch on the $100B Scandal · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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Speaker 1: The State of Minnesota didn't catch this, the FBI didn't
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Speaker 1: catch this, The media certainly didn't catch this, probably on purpose.
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about billions of dollars walking out the back
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Speaker 1: door of fake daycares and fake autism centers and more
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Speaker 1: billions of dollars. It was the perfect crime because nobody
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Speaker 1: noticed until this guy decided to get in his car
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Speaker 1: and drive to the addresses meet David Hoak. He didn't
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Speaker 1: just find fraud, he found the whole damn network. And
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Speaker 1: today he's handing us the map. Let's go okay. David
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Speaker 1: Hok is the other guy who was not going to
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Speaker 1: be in the spotlight. It was all going to go
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Speaker 1: through Nick Shirley. But he was the guy who actually
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Speaker 1: had the hard copy paperwork, the documents to prove all
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Speaker 1: of this fraud that was going on and to out
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Speaker 1: the so called daycares as not daycares. And they just
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Speaker 1: dropped the video this week about transportation companies that aren't
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Speaker 1: transporting anything. So let me start with how you hook
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Speaker 1: up with Nick Shirley, Because you've been researching this for
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Speaker 1: how long? You said seven years?
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Speaker 2: A little over seven years, correct, So how.
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Speaker 1: Do you hook up with him and say, let's go
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Speaker 1: and do something about this.
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Speaker 2: So Joe, I had this immense amount of data, and
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Speaker 2: the fraud is so big that it was like wrestling
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Speaker 2: a grease hippopotamus. You have to you can't take the
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Speaker 2: whole thing on it once because you'll never get a
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Speaker 2: handle on it.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: So I looked at all the various areas of fraud.
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Speaker 2: You had autism, feeding our future, all these different things,
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Speaker 2: and I wanted to focus on childcare because I felt
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Speaker 2: it was a significant portion of the fraud, but also
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Speaker 2: because it sort of captures the heartstrings of people who
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Speaker 2: are paying two thousand dollars a month for childcare and
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Speaker 2: then find out these people aren't paying anything and they're
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Speaker 2: getting millions of dollars. So I decided to start with childcare,
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Speaker 2: and then it was going to move into the non
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Speaker 2: emergency transportation companies because I couldn't believe the number of
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Speaker 2: those companies that exist in Minnesota, and whenever I see
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Speaker 2: them drive around town, there's never any passenger in any
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Speaker 2: of them ever. Over seven years, and I followed some
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Speaker 2: of them. They went to Walmart, Sam's Club, Costco, cub Grocery,
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Speaker 2: I mean, and they never carried anybody to any place.
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Speaker 2: So I had all this data while didn't trust any
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Speaker 2: of the media than Twin Cities, no way, because all
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Speaker 2: they do is turn it against you. And so I
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Speaker 2: went on the internet and I said, Okay, I have
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Speaker 2: to find an influencer who's going to mesh with this,
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Speaker 2: who's sincere uh and you know he's just he's got
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Speaker 2: that look about him. And I looked at a lot
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Speaker 2: of influences. When I saw Nick Shirley right away, I said,
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Speaker 2: that's the guy.
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Speaker 1: Wow, And he, like you said absolutely, I'm on board
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Speaker 1: of me. Did did that relationship kick off just that quickly?
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean we saw and there's quite I mean,
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Speaker 2: we're like forty years apart in age, right, it was
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Speaker 2: an instant, instant connection, immediate. I mean I couldn't believe it.
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Speaker 2: It was like we'd known each other for a thousand years.
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Speaker 2: It was just a seamless, this seamless collaboration between us
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Speaker 2: that was as evident in the videos.
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Speaker 1: So let's talk about what got your senses going seven
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Speaker 1: years ago? What was it about these daycare centers that
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Speaker 1: made you go, there's something wrong here. You guys, listen,
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Speaker 1: if somebody wants to put up a fake daycare, but
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Speaker 1: not take taxpayer money. I don't care, but these these
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Speaker 1: people were getting millions upon millions of dollars in taxpayer money.
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Speaker 1: What was it a about what you were seeing in Minneapolis?
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Speaker 1: In Minnesota that made you say there's something wrong here.
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Speaker 1: I don't see like you didn't see any playgrounds or
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Speaker 1: desks or kids or I mean, what was it that
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Speaker 1: made you say I need to dig deeper?
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Speaker 2: Well, Joe, firstly, I was born and raised in Minneapolis,
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Speaker 2: so I've been here my whole life. And driving around,
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Speaker 2: what I noticed was these childcare facilities were popping up
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Speaker 2: all over the place. I said, well, I mean there's
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Speaker 2: like four of them within four blocks. And I said, well,
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Speaker 2: how how is this? I mean, who who's sending other
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Speaker 2: kids there? And these are not in good neighborhoods, a
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Speaker 2: lot of them, right, And I said, well, who's filling
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Speaker 2: up these childcares? And so I noticed that snow had
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Speaker 2: fallen outside one of the facilis. I said, well, why
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Speaker 2: aren't there any footprints in the snow that any of them?
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Speaker 1: I got to stop. I was I was in Michigan
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Speaker 1: for eight years as a television news anchor, so we're
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Speaker 1: not far from Minnesota and it just snows. For those
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Speaker 1: of are who have never lived in the in the Midwest,
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Speaker 1: it's a beautiful area. But when it snows, it snows,
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Speaker 1: and you see if somebody walked through it, don't if
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Speaker 1: it's a dog that walked through it, you will see
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Speaker 1: the pall prints. That is so funny to me that
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Speaker 1: you didn't see any footprints, and that really got you
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Speaker 1: going go ahead.
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Speaker 2: So I said, well, who, I mean, what is going
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Speaker 2: on here? So I started to look at these childcare
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Speaker 2: facilities and who owned them, and they all came up
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Speaker 2: so Mali names wow, and I said, well, is there
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Speaker 2: I mean? So then I started to look at the
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Speaker 2: funding mechanisms for these childcares and what I noticed was
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Speaker 2: that they get sea CAP money, which is childcare assistance payments. Well,
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Speaker 2: it's a blend of federal and state money. So I said, well,
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Speaker 2: what are the regulations regarding or covering when you get
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Speaker 2: state money in federal money and when you get federal
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Speaker 2: money in a facility. It's mandated by the Civil Rights
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Speaker 2: Act of nineteen sixty four, Title six that says you
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Speaker 2: cannot be ethnically exclusive. You can't have only one race
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Speaker 2: or one ethnic group, run your facility. And you know,
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Speaker 2: it's kind of funny because they're not really guilty that
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Speaker 2: because they didn't have any kids at all. It's not
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Speaker 2: that the only they didn't have any I started to
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Speaker 2: sit outside these childcare and I'd sit down down the block.
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Speaker 2: I'd hear them morning. I go by some of the afternoons,
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Speaker 2: some of the evening, because some of them say they're
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Speaker 2: open two to ten. And I said, well, okay, well,
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Speaker 2: I mean, what time do these kids go to bed?
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Speaker 2: Ten o'clock? So then I went on the State of
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Speaker 2: Missile's website and I said, wait a minute. They have
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Speaker 2: two different licenses. They have six am to six pm
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Speaker 2: and six pm to six am. There are two separate licenses.
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Speaker 2: I said, well, okay, so this place says it's open
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Speaker 2: twenty four hours. This place says it's open two to ten.
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Speaker 2: So they need both licenses, right, they say, have none
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Speaker 2: of them? They have they have one license. And I
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Speaker 2: started to look at the inspection reports that and I
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Speaker 2: just I couldn't believe what I was seeing. And so
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Speaker 2: this thing just sort of grew organically from that, and
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Speaker 2: I expanded out and I started to look at autism,
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Speaker 2: and I mean, I was really behind all of this
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Speaker 2: now that has been uncovered, and it became so overwhelming.
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Speaker 2: It felt like I was drowning in the middle of
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Speaker 2: the ocean. I just wanted to stop, but I said
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Speaker 2: I can't. I was born here. I'm not gonna let
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Speaker 2: this happen.
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Speaker 1: It is David Hokey is the other guy in those
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Speaker 1: Nick Shirley videos. He's the man with the paperwork with
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Speaker 1: the documentation. You know, I find it I should have
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Speaker 1: assumed that you did this, but I find it so
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Speaker 1: refreshing that you sat there and you were watching to
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Speaker 1: see if any kids got dropped off, because you could
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Speaker 1: say it's not happening. They could say it is happening.
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Speaker 1: You can claim we'll look at the paperwork and they
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Speaker 1: can share what the paperwork is this that, But your
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Speaker 1: lieon eyes. You sat there and watched as no kids
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Speaker 1: went in and they had no excuse for why they
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Speaker 1: were getting millions upon millions of dollars. All the stuff
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Speaker 1: that you got is public record because it's public funds, right,
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Speaker 1: So you go and get this information. You see that
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Speaker 1: it's one point two six million, two point sixty six million.
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Speaker 1: These individual offices that were like in one building we're
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Speaker 1: all collecting tens of millions of dollars and you never
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Speaker 1: saw one child walk in. So do you think to yourself,
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Speaker 1: let me ask them what's going on? Or did you
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Speaker 1: know that we better expose this through Nick because you
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Speaker 1: found him and you thought that he was the right guy,
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Speaker 1: and he was. It turns out you thought, let me
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Speaker 1: expose this in a broader sense because had you gone
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Speaker 1: in and made a stink, David, they might have closed
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Speaker 1: up shop or ran away or taken the records or
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Speaker 1: whatever else. I mean, you were really prescient to not
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Speaker 1: do it yourself. Did you think about doing it on
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Speaker 1: your own?
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Speaker 2: Well, so the answer to your question is I did
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Speaker 2: go to one of the transportations, did you okay? And
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Speaker 2: asked them I'd like to I'd like to schedule a ride,
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Speaker 2: and they said we're all full, and you know, they
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Speaker 2: basically chased me out of the office. And as you
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Speaker 2: can see from the videos that's exactly what happened to
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Speaker 2: Nick and me when we went in there. That they
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Speaker 2: became very violent. They said what are you doing here?
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Speaker 2: And I thought, well, it says you're a transportation company,
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Speaker 2: or it says you're a childcare you know, and so
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Speaker 2: it was when someone reacts that way, you know they're
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Speaker 2: they're they're they're hiding something. Yeah, And so I just
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Speaker 2: knew that I had to bring Nick into the picture
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Speaker 2: because I couldn't open this up on a local level
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Speaker 2: because it would get buried. I said, we got to
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Speaker 2: drop this like a nuclear bomb on the internet. And
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Speaker 2: so I got to have Nick to come in. And
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Speaker 2: I just bugged him until he called me. He called
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Speaker 2: me Friday night at like nine p thirty on December twelfth. Wow,
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Speaker 2: and he's this of last year, twenty four for twenty
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Speaker 2: five and he says, I'm coming to Minneapolis on Monday.
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Speaker 2: We're gonna start filming on Tuesday. I said, I got
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Speaker 2: it all laid out for you. I know the route,
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Speaker 2: I know where we're going.
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Speaker 1: Beautiful.
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Speaker 2: I got all the money that going to these child
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Speaker 2: here facilities. And Nick's been around the world and he
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Speaker 2: was shocked. He said, this is the worst he's ever
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Speaker 2: seen anywhere.
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Speaker 1: It is. It's David hok, David K. Can you show
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Speaker 1: us that shirt I want to show I want to
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Speaker 1: show everybody's watching the hoodie that you're wearing. I'm going
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Speaker 1: to take your name down for a second. It's the
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Speaker 1: equality leering sector one eight hundred fraud. I mean, that's
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Speaker 1: it's absolutely wonderful. I got I got to tell you
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Speaker 1: when you guys, when Nick was out there and you
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Speaker 1: were with him, and he's showing that they didn't even
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Speaker 1: take the time to spell the word learning, right, I mean,
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Speaker 1: that thing is viral like crazy, and that was just
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Speaker 1: the tip of the iceberg. So you go there, you've
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Speaker 1: got Nick, you start uncovering this. What I don't think
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Speaker 1: people realize was it's not just daycare fraud. It's not
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Speaker 1: just feed or futures fraud. You mentioned autism a couple
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Speaker 1: of times. It's transportation fraud. And by and large, David,
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Speaker 1: are these all people from Somalia? I heard some report
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Speaker 1: that not all of them are Somalian. Some are also
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Speaker 1: from other parts of Eastern Africa. This appears to be
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Speaker 1: people from that region of the world that came to Minnesota.
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Speaker 1: Did you see anybody other than those communities that were
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Speaker 1: involved in those that I just mentioned?
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Speaker 2: No, a Somali?
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Speaker 1: How do how do they find out what money is available?
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Speaker 1: Let's go through the process that they must have gone through,
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Speaker 1: because there's no way that Keith Ellison has clean hands,
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Speaker 1: or Jacob Fry has clean hands. Brian O'Hara might even
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Speaker 1: not have clean hands the way he's reacting to the
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Speaker 1: Somali community community. You know that Tim walls as dirty
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Speaker 1: as can be. So how do the people from the
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Speaker 1: Somali community even get wind of there's money of if
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Speaker 1: you pretend there's a daycare. There's money available if you
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Speaker 1: pretend to be a transportation company, or or fighting autism,
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Speaker 1: or or feed our futures. Because I don't think you
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Speaker 1: get you get on a plane or a boat from Somalia.
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Speaker 1: I don't think they took a boat. But they come
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Speaker 1: on a plane, they come here land in Minneapolis and go,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to open a fake daycare. So how do
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Speaker 1: you think they get clued in on there's money available
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Speaker 1: that might not even be traceable.
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Speaker 2: So let me just interject real quick. So the wife
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Speaker 2: of the police chief of Minneapolis is a Muslim police
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Speaker 2: officer in New Jersey.
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Speaker 1: Well, there you go. That that explains a lot. Go ahead.
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Speaker 2: So from what I can gather, this fraud started in
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Speaker 2: about nineteen eighty eight, and there was a concerted effort
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Speaker 2: to bring Somali's in here. A lot of them illegally,
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Speaker 2: but to get them in here because they knew they
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Speaker 2: would they would represent a solid voting block and they
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Speaker 2: would all vote together, and they knew they could ballot harvest,
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Speaker 2: and so they started putting them in Cedar Square West,
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Speaker 2: which when I went to University of Minnesota was all
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Speaker 2: student housing, and now it's all Somali one hundred percent.
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Speaker 2: In fact, most of the high rises around there are
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Speaker 2: exclusively Somali. And there's a method they go through harassment
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Speaker 2: and false police reports that forces people out and then
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Speaker 2: they move another Smali in it.
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Speaker 1: And I want to get into that in earnest in
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Speaker 1: a second. I had no idea. This was thirty eight
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Speaker 1: years ago, almost forty years ago. I had no idea.
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Speaker 1: That's when it started as somebody who's from Minnesota, born
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Speaker 1: and raised, as you said, in Minneapolis. When you see
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Speaker 1: a bunch of people coming from a very different third
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Speaker 1: world culture and also coming from a hot place going
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Speaker 1: to Minnesota, which is climate climate why is not even close?
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Speaker 1: Did you start thinking to yourself, why here? Why are
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Speaker 1: we bringing them here? Did that? I mean, did you immediately,
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Speaker 1: even almost forty years ago, think this doesn't make sense?
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Speaker 2: I did think that because it's so bitterly cold here
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Speaker 2: in the winter, and these folks are coming from you know,
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Speaker 2: Airic countries. I said, why Minnesota. Why aren't you in Dallas, Texas,
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Speaker 2: or Phoenix, Arizona or Florida. I mean, this, this doesn't
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Speaker 2: make sense. There's there's got to be something that ain't seemed.
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Speaker 2: More and more and more of them, and I said this, this,
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Speaker 2: this doesn't, this doesn't doesn't jibe with Minnesota. And what
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Speaker 2: happened was, you know, we have this term called Minnesota
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Speaker 2: and ice, which again has become a curse. And so
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Speaker 2: the the Lutheran Church and the Catholic Church they also
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Speaker 2: they started to bring all these smiles in because they're
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Speaker 2: going to save these people from Wartim country. Well, what
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Speaker 2: did bringing them over here do? Did it change Somalia?
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Speaker 2: It didn't do it. It didn't make any difference all. But
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Speaker 2: you would think these folks would be so grateful to
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Speaker 2: be here that they would kiss the ground every day,
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Speaker 2: and it's it's just the opposite. And I think you're right, Joe,
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Speaker 2: that somebody or some persons were involved in generating all
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Speaker 2: this fraud and knowing that they could tie all these
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Speaker 2: Somali votes to them, if they allowed all this fraud
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Speaker 2: to occur, it is uh.
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Speaker 1: David Hokey is the other guy who, along with Nick
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Speaker 1: Shirley and these viral videos a new one just out
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Speaker 1: on Monday about the transportation companies. You've got to go
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Speaker 1: and see these people get pretty riled up that David
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Speaker 1: and Nick are asking very simple questions like, well, we'd
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Speaker 1: just like to know about the transportation company. It's this address,
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Speaker 1: I'm here. Do you see a transportation company? Okay? Then
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Speaker 1: why are you getting publicly public money? But public money
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Speaker 1: and public funds. So let's go through the process of
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Speaker 1: doing the fake daycares, because I can say fake daycares
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Speaker 1: are not worry about being sued. They're clearly fake. They
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Speaker 1: have no children there, they're not daycares. How does that
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Speaker 1: process work? Get you decide I'm going to open up
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Speaker 1: the Leering Center and it's going to be a center
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Speaker 1: for ninety nine kids or whatever. Then you go to
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Speaker 1: the state government, you go to the federal government, you
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Speaker 1: ask for a grant, you ask for money. How exactly
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Speaker 1: are they getting these millions of dollars? What are they
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Speaker 1: saying to get that?
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Speaker 2: What they're doing is they're going to the politicians who
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Speaker 2: are fostering this fraud, and those politicians are guiding them
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Speaker 2: through the process to get them licensed to open a
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Speaker 2: childcare for facility. And then it's just some random number.
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Speaker 2: We got ninety kids. We've got ninety I mean the numbers.
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Speaker 2: If you sit down and look at the per child,
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Speaker 2: it just none of it lines up. It's all fraud
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Speaker 2: and none of it makes sense. And so I think
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Speaker 2: it was with the help of people like Tim Walls
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Speaker 2: and Ihan Omar, they constructed the framework for all this
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Speaker 2: fraud and then they just plugged the people in. They
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Speaker 2: had it all set up and they just plugged them in,
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Speaker 2: and then it just spread out. In Minneapolis is ground
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Speaker 2: zero for the country on this fraud. They tested it
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Speaker 2: out in Minneapolis, said what can we get away with here?
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Speaker 2: And they said, well, these people are idiots, and so
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Speaker 2: they just multiplied it. And then they went to where Columbus, Ohio,
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Speaker 2: which now has you see all the problems coming out
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Speaker 2: of Columbus. And then from there they said, okay, we
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Speaker 2: have a national model. Let's roll it out and they
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Speaker 2: went to all fifty states.
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Speaker 1: It is unbelievable. It's again David Hokey's the other guy
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Speaker 1: along with Nick Shirley, those viral videos about the fraud
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Speaker 1: going on in Minnesota. So they say, I've got ninety
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Speaker 1: nine kids and then they get a per kid head
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Speaker 1: can I I guess money funding from the state and
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Speaker 1: from the and from the federal government. And again you
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Speaker 1: saw no kids. What did you think when you saw
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Speaker 1: like the next day, once the video of the first
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Speaker 1: video hit, suddenly like twenty kids showed up. They had
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Speaker 1: like twenty kids walking into the building. There's nowhere to
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Speaker 1: put them, but they wanted to prove that in fact,
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Speaker 1: it was a daycare.
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Speaker 2: Well, and you know what was funny about that day
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Speaker 2: is that Tiky Brown, who's the commissioner of Children, Family
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Speaker 2: and Learning, whatever stupid name the department is given, she
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Speaker 2: went online and she said that that daycare had been closed.
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Speaker 2: A childcare had been closed a week before that week
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Speaker 2: film it kids in the child wait anute. She just said,
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Speaker 2: you were closed.
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Speaker 1: I don't think they got the memo, David, it's right.
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Speaker 1: She came out. I saw that. I played the video
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Speaker 1: on my show and she said it's been close. Well,
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Speaker 1: that's why nobody was there, and that they're so dumb.
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Speaker 1: I guess they showed up to the wrong daycare. They
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Speaker 1: should have sent them somewhere else. But even if listen,
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Speaker 1: it's twenty kids and they were allowed to have what
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Speaker 1: ninety nine, So I mean, it still doesn't make any sense.
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Speaker 1: And then the breaking news story was we were broken
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Speaker 1: into overnight and the thief was so egregious that he
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Speaker 1: only stole the names of our students and the staff.
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Speaker 1: Come on, man, I mean, they are spinning in place
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Speaker 1: and they don't know what to do. When you saw
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Speaker 1: that report, because even the Minneapolis PD that doesn't like
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Speaker 1: a guy like me or a guy like you exposing fraud,
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Speaker 1: even they had to say, we have not been reported.
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Speaker 1: Nobody reported anything stolen to us from that facility. When
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Speaker 1: you saw that come out, I mean, clearly that's just
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Speaker 1: them trying to cover their tracks, right. They stole the
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a police officer who was a detective
17:24
Speaker 2: for twenty seven years as a detective, and he contacted
17:28
Speaker 2: me and he said, hey, that was done from the inside.
17:32
Speaker 2: That break in the wall is all wrong. And why
17:34
Speaker 2: would they go through cinderblock when they could have gone
17:36
Speaker 2: up ten inches and gone through sheet rock?
17:39
Speaker 1: Right?
17:39
Speaker 2: Did they go through this? It's the whole thing. And
17:41
Speaker 2: then the guys wearing three thousand dollars sunglasses glasses while
17:44
Speaker 2: he's talking, Yeah, I said, what do you said? A
17:47
Speaker 2: twelve year old kid out there, where's the attorney. Well,
17:49
Speaker 2: the attorney for the childcare is this guy who wrote
17:52
Speaker 2: a hit piece on us, And it starts, you mean
17:54
Speaker 2: we had another hit piece come out today and at
17:56
Speaker 2: the end of the article they had to admit we
17:57
Speaker 2: might be right.
17:58
Speaker 1: What I hit a piece on what you dared expose?
18:02
Speaker 1: What's going on? It's David Hoak. Go down to YouTube
18:05
Speaker 1: dot com slash Nick Shirley, go see these videos. If
18:07
Speaker 1: you haven't seen the met yet, where are you? You
18:10
Speaker 1: should be seeing these all right, so we know how
18:11
Speaker 1: the daycare stuff worked. How did they feed our futures
18:14
Speaker 1: thing worked? Did they feed anybody? No?
18:17
Speaker 2: So one of the facilities that I found was on
18:21
Speaker 2: a street called Broadway Avenue in North Minneapolis, which is
18:24
Speaker 2: a really rough part of town. And I went by
18:27
Speaker 2: the address and it's convenience store. It's about maybe eighteen
18:30
Speaker 2: feet wide by twelve feet deep. And I went in there.
18:33
Speaker 2: He's got snacks and chips. I said, you're doing one
18:36
Speaker 2: hundred thousand meals a week. There's no he can't. And
18:40
Speaker 2: so that was the genesis of them looking into it,
18:43
Speaker 2: and then one thing led to another, And that's why
18:46
Speaker 2: transportation is the hub because all those meals had to
18:49
Speaker 2: get delivered. They never were, of course they weren't real.
18:51
Speaker 2: The kids have to get the asses them, they got
18:52
Speaker 2: to get tell you, it's all revolves around the transportation.
18:56
Speaker 1: So they have an entire system on paper that looks
18:59
Speaker 1: like transporting kids to daycare. We're transporting people to get
19:03
Speaker 1: a free meal because they can't afford it. We're transporting
19:05
Speaker 1: people to get autism care. And they have this whole
19:08
Speaker 1: economy that just doesn't exist, but on paper it looks
19:11
Speaker 1: like it's really good, it's really cool for the neighborhood,
19:14
Speaker 1: for the community.
19:16
Speaker 2: Well, Joe, you saw we went to these locations that
19:18
Speaker 2: are listed that printed that off that day for those companies.
19:22
Speaker 2: One's a liquor store, one's a wire another, one's an
19:24
Speaker 2: apartment building. I said, well, none of these exist. So
19:28
Speaker 2: I mean, if they're eight hundred of them, probably more,
19:32
Speaker 2: how many of them are just completely on paper. They're
19:34
Speaker 2: total fraud, all of it.
19:36
Speaker 1: The federal government needs to be involved in this and
19:38
Speaker 1: is involved in this. We do have some prosecutions for
19:40
Speaker 1: the DOJ, but there's a lot more to come. Have
19:42
Speaker 1: they contacted you to find out where you got this information?
19:46
Speaker 1: And all the resources that they contacted, Nick, I would
19:49
Speaker 1: hope that they're including you and the evidence that you've
19:51
Speaker 1: gathered in whatever prosecutions could be coming. Are they talking
19:54
Speaker 1: to you about this? Well?
19:56
Speaker 2: I was working with one of the federal agents these
20:00
Speaker 2: I won't name which one, Okay, I met with them
20:02
Speaker 2: about three or four weeks ago, and they were giving
20:06
Speaker 2: the information to Joe Thompson, who was the US attorney, right,
20:10
Speaker 2: And I said, well, the key because we're I'm sitting
20:13
Speaker 2: at the table with all these they said, these these
20:15
Speaker 2: agents and all this paperwork, and they're looking at it like,
20:20
Speaker 2: what do we do? How do we how do we
20:21
Speaker 2: get our arms around the grease tippo?
20:23
Speaker 1: Right?
20:24
Speaker 2: And I said, the way to go at this is
20:26
Speaker 2: to go after the tax returns of the childcare facilities
20:29
Speaker 2: because they're getting all that sea cap money and they
20:32
Speaker 2: have to have So if they said they have ninety
20:34
Speaker 2: nine kids, they got to have ten staff members because
20:37
Speaker 2: it's a it's a one to ten ratio, yes, and
20:40
Speaker 2: so they got so they should be showing W two's
20:42
Speaker 2: for ten employees for each of those childcare facilities.
20:47
Speaker 1: David, did nobody do any oversight at all? I mean,
20:50
Speaker 1: if I go to Minneapolis right now and open Joe's daycare.
20:54
Speaker 1: Nobody comes and checks and make sure that I that
20:56
Speaker 1: I have desks and a blackboard and a playground and crayon.
21:00
Speaker 1: I mean, did nobody? Nobody does any check and balance whatsoever?
21:04
Speaker 1: Is there? No? The rules and regulations in Minnesota have
21:07
Speaker 1: to be that you've got to prove that it's at
21:08
Speaker 1: least safe for kids to go there.
21:11
Speaker 2: Well, what's funny is so the Quality Leering Center so there,
21:17
Speaker 2: so they have Quality Leering Center. Three words on their
21:20
Speaker 2: sign and then on the door it says fourteen to
21:22
Speaker 2: eleven Nicolett Avenue. They misspelled the word Nickeolet.
21:25
Speaker 1: Wow, come on, man, I didn't.
21:28
Speaker 2: Bring it up for the video because it was leering
21:31
Speaker 2: was so egregious. So if the state's inspecting these people,
21:34
Speaker 2: why are you not telling them their signs misspelled? Yes,
21:38
Speaker 2: I mean, wouldn't that be the first thing you would do.
21:41
Speaker 2: I mean, hey, you gotta correct your sign.
21:43
Speaker 1: And you've got the addressaurants. What's interesting is they corrected.
21:46
Speaker 1: They started correcting the sign like the next day. Did
21:49
Speaker 1: they think you didn't still have the video? I mean,
21:51
Speaker 1: you had the video showing that they misspelled and that didn't.
21:54
Speaker 1: They thought that would just fix it, and then they
21:56
Speaker 1: would try to change Nicolette and fix it, and then
21:58
Speaker 1: they just gave up. It's like they didn't they didn't
22:00
Speaker 1: learn how to spell it before they were correcting it.
22:02
Speaker 1: So I mean, is there there's got to be a
22:04
Speaker 1: process on the books that they should be checking it.
22:07
Speaker 1: But what you're saying is they never took the time
22:09
Speaker 1: to check it. Was that on purpose? Do you think?
22:11
Speaker 1: Were they incompetent? Are they inca hoots? What's going on?
22:15
Speaker 2: So the Department of Human Services, which conducts the inspections,
22:19
Speaker 2: said that they're all unannounced, and I said, oh, come on,
22:21
Speaker 2: give me a break. Come on, so there, because they
22:24
Speaker 2: would be running the same thing we ran into where
22:26
Speaker 2: the doors are locked. There's nobody there. They say they're
22:28
Speaker 2: open two to ten, and you go there at five o'clock,
22:30
Speaker 2: there's nobody there. Right, And look, if Department of Human
22:34
Speaker 2: Service is open from eight to four thirty or eight
22:37
Speaker 2: thirty to four, whatever it is, do you think someone
22:39
Speaker 2: is going out after four o'clock and conducting inspections.
22:42
Speaker 1: Ill?
22:42
Speaker 2: No, they're government workers. They're gone.
22:44
Speaker 1: Yeah. So no.
22:45
Speaker 2: But but the inspections that supposedly were done. They found
22:48
Speaker 2: hazardous chemicals, unprotected outlets, broken furniture, dirty infested carpets and rugs. Wow,
22:59
Speaker 2: and I could I never found a follow up except
23:02
Speaker 2: if you look at the graph or the spreadsheet I
23:06
Speaker 2: put together, it says document approved for repairs or whatever was.
23:11
Speaker 2: They never physically checked to make sure it was repaired.
23:14
Speaker 2: They accepted what the daycare told.
23:16
Speaker 1: Him, and the daycare continue to get money from you
23:18
Speaker 1: and me.
23:20
Speaker 2: As we speak, I think, well, now I think some
23:23
Speaker 2: of it has you know, I'm trying to get the
23:25
Speaker 2: spick it turned off. Yeah, because Secretary Best. When I
23:28
Speaker 2: talked with him, I said, well, if you're going to
23:31
Speaker 2: go after the money, wires and the and the stars,
23:34
Speaker 2: you're letting the tail wag the dog. Yes, because you've
23:38
Speaker 2: got to stop the source. Don't go chasing aufre in
23:40
Speaker 2: Saudi Arabian kenyons. So waste the time. Turn it off
23:43
Speaker 2: right here and then you don't have to worry about that.
23:45
Speaker 1: It's side David Hok he's the other guy along with
23:47
Speaker 1: Nick Shirley, that's exposing all this fraud in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
23:51
Speaker 1: We had a report yesterday from John Solomon. I love
23:53
Speaker 1: you saw this, but he's reporting it's seven hundred million
23:57
Speaker 1: plus that was sent in cash from beef cases from
24:01
Speaker 1: here over to Somalia. David, do you think it would
24:04
Speaker 1: be seven hundred million dollars that that was being sent
24:07
Speaker 1: back cash money, untraceable cash money from you and me?
24:11
Speaker 2: Well, so when I started working with the US attorney,
24:15
Speaker 2: they were talking feeding their future turn fifty nine. I said,
24:18
Speaker 2: turn fifty nine. That's that's in the loose change in
24:20
Speaker 2: the couch for these guys. I said, the fraud is
24:23
Speaker 2: going to be eighty to one hundred billion dollars by
24:26
Speaker 2: the time the DUFF settles on this. So then they
24:28
Speaker 2: came out and they said it's a billion dollars. Then
24:30
Speaker 2: he came out and he said, well, we think it's
24:32
Speaker 2: nine billion. And I said, well, you're getting closer, keep going.
24:36
Speaker 2: And so then, of course, you know, the US attorney
24:38
Speaker 2: resigned this week where he got fired. I'm not really
24:41
Speaker 2: sure what happened.
24:41
Speaker 1: Well, he resigned and then they fired him before they
24:43
Speaker 1: let him resign. Yeah, but he was resigning allegedly over
24:46
Speaker 1: the ice shooting. Do you think that he resigned over
24:48
Speaker 1: something else?
24:49
Speaker 2: No? What is he a nine year old? Because they
24:52
Speaker 2: wanted to investigate the wife of the girl, the woman
24:54
Speaker 2: who got shot. Right, he's in he's he's the controller
24:57
Speaker 2: of of investigating the the most egregious fraud in US history. Yes,
25:03
Speaker 2: and he leaves me in the middle of these meet
25:06
Speaker 2: the altar. I mean, why why would.
25:08
Speaker 1: He do that?
25:09
Speaker 2: He's a coward.
25:10
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more.
25:11
Speaker 2: And in my opinion, he's a trader for doing that.
25:14
Speaker 1: Trader one hundred percent, because we were relying on him
25:17
Speaker 1: to uncover the answers. And if he was working with you,
25:19
Speaker 1: and he was that he was going to uncover the answers.
25:21
Speaker 1: We said nine billion, Now you think it could be
25:23
Speaker 1: eighty to one hundred billion dollars? David, can't we account
25:27
Speaker 1: for every single dollar that Minnesota's or Americans taxpayers have
25:31
Speaker 1: been sending to these days? I mean, I would think
25:33
Speaker 1: that every dime they got, we know how much that
25:37
Speaker 1: money is. Now, if the money's missing and a lot
25:39
Speaker 1: of it is tons of it is, well, we can
25:41
Speaker 1: figure that out later. But shouldn't we have a full
25:43
Speaker 1: accounting from either Minnesota or from the US government or
25:46
Speaker 1: both of them together, exactly what the number is. And
25:48
Speaker 1: if we do know what it is, what is the
25:50
Speaker 1: exact number?
25:53
Speaker 2: So the average person could not get the data that
25:57
Speaker 2: I have. It's impossible to get from the state to Minnesota.
26:00
Speaker 2: In fact, I requested the non emergency medical transportation reimbursement
26:04
Speaker 2: numbers back in October and I've been emailing them every
26:09
Speaker 2: week and I have not heard back from them. And
26:11
Speaker 2: that was how many months ago? So the average person,
26:14
Speaker 2: they're counting on that person getting frustrated and just going away.
26:18
Speaker 2: The reason I was able to come up with the
26:19
Speaker 2: childcare numbers is because I have a contact who is
26:24
Speaker 2: able to get it for me. Nice So you'll see
26:27
Speaker 2: that in the video. I offered one hundred thousand dollars
26:29
Speaker 2: because this crowd was shouting uncontroll of me. I said, Okay,
26:32
Speaker 2: here we go, one hundred thousand dollars if you can
26:34
Speaker 2: prove that any of this information is inaccurate in any way,
26:38
Speaker 2: and if you can't, then you got to give me
26:40
Speaker 2: one hundred dollars. And the whole crowd shut up. You
26:41
Speaker 2: see that dead silence.
26:44
Speaker 1: Because they've got no leg to stand on. So David
26:46
Speaker 1: literally literally we don't have the transportation number. So that
26:50
Speaker 1: could be tens of billions more. Could it be that much?
26:54
Speaker 1: It is?
26:54
Speaker 2: And so what we do, or what I did is
26:56
Speaker 2: I looked at a national average, and any empty company
27:00
Speaker 2: on national average has twenty vehicles and they generate seventy
27:04
Speaker 2: thousand dollars a year per vehicle in revenue. So if
27:07
Speaker 2: you have eight hundreds of those companies in Minnesota, what's
27:10
Speaker 2: that number?
27:11
Speaker 1: It's a lot.
27:13
Speaker 2: I mean, it's yeah, elon, most couldn't forget it's such
27:17
Speaker 2: a big number.
27:19
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm with you, and it's you know, it's crazy
27:22
Speaker 1: because you mentioned Minnesota and nice earlier, and I've always
27:25
Speaker 1: had a great affinity for Minnesota. I've been live in
27:26
Speaker 1: the Twin Cities for ten years now. My show is
27:28
Speaker 1: live around the country, but we're live at five o'clock
27:30
Speaker 1: at eleven thirty AM, and we just love the people.
27:33
Speaker 1: You guys could not be nicer. Some of my best
27:35
Speaker 1: friends when I used to work in Michigan were actually
27:37
Speaker 1: from Minnesota. But you got to drop the Minnesota nice.
27:40
Speaker 1: You gotta get Minnesota nasty. I really need because I
27:43
Speaker 1: know and I think you know this too. Just to
27:45
Speaker 1: talk about ice quickly, that most people in Minneapolis want
27:48
Speaker 1: ice there. Most people in Minnesota want ice to get
27:51
Speaker 1: the worst of the worst off the streets. They would
27:53
Speaker 1: like to see the police chief of the mayor and
27:55
Speaker 1: the governor work with them. They're not going to do that,
27:57
Speaker 1: but most people, quietly, they won't say it out loud,
27:59
Speaker 1: really are happy that the bad people in the community
28:02
Speaker 1: will be taken out. They're also happy that the fraud
28:04
Speaker 1: is going to be uncovered. What is it going to
28:06
Speaker 1: take for more people to stand up? Like you? Do
28:08
Speaker 1: you think that maybe you're starting something that could become
28:12
Speaker 1: contagious in Minnesota for others to step up and say,
28:16
Speaker 1: I've had enough to this is my state.
28:19
Speaker 2: Well, I'm hoping. And so that's why in the second video,
28:22
Speaker 2: the first video, we focused on Minneapolis, right, and I
28:25
Speaker 2: planned because then everyone says, oh, it's a Minneapolis problem.
28:28
Speaker 2: I live out in Eden Prairie or Minnetaka's some really
28:31
Speaker 2: nice area. I don't need to worry about that. That's
28:33
Speaker 2: why we went out to the wealthier suburbs and I said,
28:36
Speaker 2: this is in your backyard. It's not a Minneapolis problem.
28:39
Speaker 2: It's everywhere. It's all throughout the state. Because I wanted
28:43
Speaker 2: people to go, wait, that's in Hopkins, that's in Eton Prairie.
28:46
Speaker 2: I mean you saw those guys burst out of that
28:48
Speaker 2: Hopkins child Cer Center. They were yes, guns blazing. I mean,
28:51
Speaker 2: they couldn't believe it.
28:52
Speaker 1: Right, It's unbelievable to me that this laid dormant for
28:56
Speaker 1: almost forty years. Thank God for you and Nick that
28:59
Speaker 1: you guys are exposed. Let me ask you one question
29:01
Speaker 1: about voting. I know that you haven't done this, but
29:04
Speaker 1: I get the feeling that you're this guy. Voting fraud
29:07
Speaker 1: probably is an issue in Minnesota. I mean, we've seen
29:10
Speaker 1: undercover videos by James o'keef that say it is an
29:13
Speaker 1: issue in Minnesota. Right now, Walls will not turn over
29:16
Speaker 1: the voting roles to the Department of Justice Civil Rights
29:19
Speaker 1: Division to Army Dylan, and he needs to because I'm guessing,
29:22
Speaker 1: and I'm guessing that you probably think this too. There
29:25
Speaker 1: are probably a lot of people who are not allowed
29:26
Speaker 1: to vote who are on the voting roles. Are you
29:28
Speaker 1: Do you have any intention on looking into that yourself,
29:31
Speaker 1: because as good as you did here, I think you'd
29:34
Speaker 1: be amazing to uncover what's really going on in the
29:36
Speaker 1: voting roles because listen, I want anybody who's allowed to
29:38
Speaker 1: vote to vote. I want it to be a fair
29:39
Speaker 1: and free election. Nobody in nobody's franchise take it away.
29:43
Speaker 1: But James o'keeff himself just showed people who are buying ballots,
29:46
Speaker 1: these mail in ballots in Minnesota. Are you investigating that
29:49
Speaker 1: at all? Do you plan to?
29:52
Speaker 2: Well, I have something else that I won't talk about
29:55
Speaker 2: right now that has gotten my attention. But okay, I've
29:59
Speaker 2: brought up up and I've seen ballot harvesting in these
30:02
Speaker 2: Somali high rises and they can put down they have
30:05
Speaker 2: six or seven or eight or nine people in one
30:08
Speaker 2: apartment and they get nine ballots that apartment.
30:11
Speaker 1: And they're all counted and.
30:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they might have two people living there whatever,
30:17
Speaker 2: or they have kids and they count them as voters,
30:20
Speaker 2: and it's it's literally the wild West. I've seen guys
30:22
Speaker 2: carried because I sat around during the election periods and
30:25
Speaker 2: I saw these guys walking these high rises with boxes,
30:28
Speaker 2: throw them in the back of what their transportation vehicles.
30:31
Speaker 2: They're Plymouth caravans, and then off they went. And I said, well,
30:36
Speaker 2: they're ballot harvesting.
30:38
Speaker 1: It's got to be.
30:40
Speaker 2: I'm hoping I want a childcare in one of these
30:44
Speaker 2: childcares to sue me, because don't you know, the discovery
30:48
Speaker 2: I'm going to get all their records, all their payments,
30:50
Speaker 2: and I'm going to get their exterior camera footage to
30:53
Speaker 2: show they never had any kids go in.
30:54
Speaker 1: The door without giving anything away. And it's David Hoak. Vid.
30:58
Speaker 1: Do you want to give your socials at all? You
30:59
Speaker 1: want to go all through Nick Shirley for all of it?
31:02
Speaker 2: Nick, surely please?
31:03
Speaker 1: Okay, just go to YouTube dot com slash Nick Shirley
31:04
Speaker 1: and follow Nick Shirley everywhere. You'll see the videos with
31:07
Speaker 1: this guy. He's the other guy. This is David Hoak.
31:09
Speaker 1: He's the one that collected all the data and Nick
31:11
Speaker 1: went out there and did a remarkable job and reporting
31:13
Speaker 1: on this. Do you have more to come? I don't.
31:15
Speaker 1: I'm not asking you to give any secrets away, but
31:18
Speaker 1: you just drop one on Monday, which is massive. Everybody's
31:20
Speaker 1: got to got to go and see this transportation what
31:22
Speaker 1: looks like transportation fraud. You got to go back and
31:24
Speaker 1: see the daycare stuff. Are you dropping more soon? Are
31:26
Speaker 1: you guys working on more stuff? Well?
31:30
Speaker 2: I have my teeth into something and I don't know
31:35
Speaker 2: how how much information I'm going to be able to
31:38
Speaker 2: extract out of this.
31:39
Speaker 1: Okay, But like I said in the video.
31:42
Speaker 2: Tim Walls and Minnesota Department of Human Services. I'm coming
31:46
Speaker 2: for you.
31:48
Speaker 1: Let me leave you with this. And if I were
31:50
Speaker 1: Tim Walls, I'd be afraid of that because you actually
31:51
Speaker 1: bring the goods. Let me leave you with this. Tim
31:53
Speaker 1: Walls dropping out of the race for reelection. This had
31:56
Speaker 1: everything about what you guys exposed, didn't it.
32:00
Speaker 2: So it does and he's become such an albatross around
32:03
Speaker 2: the DEM's next he's got to resign. They can't have
32:06
Speaker 2: him sitting around when they go into the midterms. It's
32:08
Speaker 2: as a disaster for them.
32:10
Speaker 1: I had Dustin Grage on the other day, and you
32:12
Speaker 1: may know Dustin he's a reporter from Minnesota as well,
32:15
Speaker 1: but he was on my show and he said it
32:18
Speaker 1: could be that Cloba Sharh is running for governor. She
32:21
Speaker 1: thinks she can win because she's very popular, although she's
32:23
Speaker 1: never done anything from Minnesota. And if she should win
32:25
Speaker 1: the governorship her seat becomes open, she could give it
32:28
Speaker 1: to Tim Wallas. Do you think they could possibly be
32:30
Speaker 1: doing Why would they give Tim Wallas the US Senate
32:32
Speaker 1: seat when this guy, as you said, is damaged goods?
32:36
Speaker 2: I because it's Minnesota and anything is possible here as
32:43
Speaker 2: outrageous as it may seem, I think this is the
32:46
Speaker 2: epicenter of the evil that has overtaken our country. It's
32:49
Speaker 2: right here in Minneapolis.
32:51
Speaker 1: Strong words from a man who knows he's out there
32:53
Speaker 1: collecting the information. He's the other guy, David Hoak. David,
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